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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lowie. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: There is no other and uh, Matt. I know this

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Speaker 1: is typically when we do the fantasy football, but today,

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Speaker 1: with the end, with the college football season now done,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look at a mock draft right now.

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Speaker 1: Our number one here.

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Speaker 2: We know the top eighteen picks.

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Speaker 1: We know where it's going to be at, we know

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Speaker 1: how the college football season went. Michigan won the national championship.

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Speaker 2: Congrats to them.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here on the CBS Sports I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Ryan Wilson, a friend of the show. He always joins

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Speaker 1: us in Thomas every year at to Combine and see

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Speaker 1: his initial mock draft after the college football season has ended,

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Speaker 1: and how he sees things falling here. So with the

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Speaker 1: first overall pick, he has Washington trading up, we should

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Speaker 1: car from two to one to get Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I mean, if you it

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Speaker 2: sounds like there's two or three stud receipt quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: this draft, But if you think Williams is so much

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Speaker 2: better than everybody else, it wouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: That Chicago will have other offers on the board on

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Speaker 1: the table.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they don't far and if you if you.

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Speaker 1: Want what you think Williams is the guy in your Washington,

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Speaker 1: you have to go up and get him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I firmly believe we'll go back and forth

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Speaker 2: about this field's gonna be a bear, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: but I firmly believe the first pick in the draft

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Speaker 2: will be a quarterback. Yeah. I mean, whether it's Chicago

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Speaker 2: or whomever, there will be.

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Speaker 1: So Chicago moves down to the two spot and takes

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they he's saying, they keep fields. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they pick up a little spare change to do it,

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Speaker 2: which I understand. Yeah, I mean probably pick up more

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Speaker 2: than a spare change because they would have a lot

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Speaker 2: of the They would.

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Speaker 1: Probably end up getting a two this year and maybe

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Speaker 1: a one next year as well, a lot, maybe more

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Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, I mean Chicago got even they got

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Speaker 1: Dj Moore as well. They went all the way back

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Speaker 1: to nine, go back to nine.

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Speaker 2: But that but Bryce Young's not as good as these

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Speaker 2: guys either, right, you know, So there will be teams

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Speaker 2: offering a lot.

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Speaker 1: A lot of one, a lot a lot At three.

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Speaker 1: He has the Patriots taking Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 1: See, that would be the beauty of moving back to

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Speaker 1: two for me. If I'm Chicago, I could then also

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Speaker 1: put that one and say, okay.

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Speaker 2: Oh, now everybody coming off who wants May, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: right because you know, New England's gonna probably grab one

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Speaker 1: Right, So who wants to get up ahead of New

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Speaker 1: England to get a quarterback?

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Speaker 2: I do think there's a chance. I mean, we'll go

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Speaker 2: through Max and all that too, that the top three

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Speaker 2: picks in some order are Williams, May, and Daniels from LSU.

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Speaker 2: You know, like New England might be even taking quarterback

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. You know again, if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're Chicago, you call New England and say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: got four other offers on the table for the two spot.

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Speaker 2: Now, who wants to get ahead everybody?

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Speaker 1: All the people who called us about the one and

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Speaker 1: didn't get Caleb Williams, Well, half of those teams still

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe the Giants, I think they're at six,

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Speaker 2: or Atlanta at eight or nine. I don't know. The

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Speaker 2: Draft War up my head like I will. But I

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Speaker 2: mean you'll have plenty of people trying to get ahead

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Speaker 2: in New England.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they know New England needs a quarterback. Right.

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Speaker 2: We just had a short little talk about Steelers quarterback

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Speaker 2: situation next year, and I know Belichick is unlikely to

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Speaker 2: be there, but I kind of see New England like

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Speaker 2: bringing back Persett and drafting a guy. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 2: I think that's the kind of move they'll make.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you, somebody that's suitable when the draft.

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Speaker 2: Rolls around with the intent of drafting one.

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Speaker 1: At the fourth pick, the Arizona Cardinals take for Shano,

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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle out of Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Two years in a row. Taking the first tackle off

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Speaker 2: the board a good way to protect your smaller quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling more and more that Kyler will be the quarterback, Like,

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Speaker 2: I firmly believe that. I think that's like a ninety

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Speaker 1: At the fifth pick, the Chargers take Joe Alta, a

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Speaker 2: People are really back and forth between for Shaano and Alt,

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Speaker 2: and it kind of depends what you want. Chargers actually

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Speaker 2: I don't think Harrison could get the five. But neighbors

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Speaker 2: from LSU is a stud.

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Speaker 1: Problem though for them. If you're the Chargers, they need

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Speaker 1: a lot. Your defense stinks.

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Speaker 2: See, I think what's gonna happen in la is They're

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Speaker 2: gonna sell Mike Williams, keenan Al and Bosa mac all

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Speaker 2: and just have get crushed by the Cap this year,

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Speaker 2: suffer through it with a new coach, and then a

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Speaker 2: year from now have caps face and another really high pick.

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Speaker 1: That's all well and good, but it's ugly. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I don't know that job is quite attractive on things. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean Herbert to anything. They've gone for him for

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Speaker 1: that job, right. Uh. At six, the Giants end take

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Speaker 2: I would think to be thrilled about that. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 2: you can't trust Daniel Jones at this point now, and

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Speaker 2: you did sign him, but his contract's not crazy. It's

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Speaker 2: not Sean Watson's deal.

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Speaker 1: At seven, The Titans take J. C. Latham, the offensive

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Speaker 2: Who is that the Titans? Yeah that makes all sense.

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Speaker 1: At eight, the Falcons take Michael Pennox, the quarterback out

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Speaker 2: I'm a problem with that. I mean, I have some

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Speaker 2: reservations after watching them last night. I mean, it didn't

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Speaker 2: help his stalk one bit, but I do think Atlanta

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Speaker 2: is going to add a quarterback, either before the draft

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Speaker 2: They're pretty aggresive organization.

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Speaker 1: Could they go to they could move up, Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: At nine, the Bears are up again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they take Dallas Turner, the edge rusher at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean it'd be hard to pass on

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Speaker 1: Carvin har Yeah yeah, that makes neighbors. At ten goes

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Speaker 2: That's another team I think this draft sets up really

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Speaker 1: Offensive line would be Yeah, those are the two spots

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Speaker 1: the Vikings take Jared Verse out of Florida State.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can see I'm going a lot of different directions.

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Speaker 2: They don't need tackles. They took a receiver in the

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Speaker 2: first round last year. Jefferson will get resigned. I tend

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Speaker 2: to think Cousins will be back. Yeah, I mean with

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Speaker 1: At twelve, Denver takes romy Dunezia out of Washington join

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Speaker 2: Sutton might be a free agent. I should know that

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Speaker 2: he is. I think he is, Yeah, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: adds up over his career, Sean Payton is not interested

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Speaker 2: knows what they're doing in stadiums. I'm I'm too old

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Speaker 1: And I mean he had Drew Brees for his entire

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Speaker 2: Like I bet like Tannehill might end up there or

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Speaker 1: Or I can see them making a pitch for cousins

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the problems are paying Wilson, but you can always

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Speaker 1: At thirteen, the Raiders take Nate Wiggins, the cornerback out

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Speaker 2: Corner, but I bet there's four or five that are

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where we figured out with, you know,

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Speaker 2: Lot of sex foot corners, press man, long arm times.

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Speaker 1: At fourteen, the Saints take Brock Bauers, the tight end

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Speaker 2: Okay, total wild card. I mean if you told me

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Speaker 1: At fifteen, the Colts take Brian Thomas Junior, the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver out of LSU. Remember Pittman's a free agent.

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Speaker 2: don't know how they let him go, but I'd be

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Speaker 2: really into Thomas as somebody I know a fair amount about.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to dig in more exceptional basketball background. Tall,

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Speaker 2: really fluid. I'm talking through a Steelers lens here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like, if you throw him in the mix, he's got

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Speaker 2: all sorts of upside.

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Speaker 1: At sixteen, the Seahawks take jerse On Newton, the offense

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Speaker 2: You gotta think it's gonna be D right the halftime.

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Speaker 2: D's bad. Fine, Yeah, but no, that makes sense. He's

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Speaker 1: At seventeen, Jacksonville takes Talasi Fouga out of Oregon State,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean again, there's a lot of tackles

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Speaker 1: At eighteen, the Bengals take our Marius Mims, the offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle out of Georgia. Okay, screams right tackle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that Jonah Williams will be back.

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Speaker 2: be able to keep Higgins. If so, Boyd'll be gone, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: At nineteen, Green Bay takes kool Aid mckissory McKinstry, the

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Speaker 2: I mean, they always use the first round pick on d.

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Speaker 1: These days have used a good number of high picks

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Speaker 1: They're taking Donna Mitchell, the wide receiver out of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Okay, again, tons of receivers, the packing other big sixty

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Speaker 1: At twenty two, the Rams take Cooper de Jon the

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Speaker 1: At twenty eight, the Lions take Braylan Trice, the edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: At thirty one, San Francisco takes Chop Robinson, the edge

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Speaker 1: And then at thirty two, Baltimore takes another offensive lineman here,

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Speaker 1: A lot of first round the right, a lot a lot.

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Speaker 2: That fit the mold. Yeah, it's not the five nine

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Speaker 2: Right, he probably would be. I think their defense would

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Speaker 1: Anyways, that's gonna be. That's gonna do it here. That

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Speaker 2: Let's knock it out.

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Speaker 1: No, they will update these after I would assume after

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Speaker 1: the season's.

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Speaker 2: Over, right, but those bottom eighteen shouldn't change.

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Speaker 2: Two, and we thank him for letting us realized that

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Speaker 1: They've been there all year. The Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: You locked it.

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Speaker 2: He locked it up by really being crappy. Yeah that

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Speaker 1: in the final. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you took it to a new level at the

444
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 2: end of the season. Well done. You earned it. And

445
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 2: you don't even get to pick first overall.

446
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 1: And you don't get the pick first overall at thirty one.

447
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 1: The four and thirteen Washington Commanders.

448
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they started out to to one. Yeah,

449
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean not a lot of wins since I mean

450
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: they earned number two. That was really bad. Last couple

451
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 2: of seats the months.

452
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly, ugly, ugly.

453
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a horrible job though, I

454
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: mean it's not good. But I mean if you end

455
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 2: up with Drake may Or, you're gonna.

456
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: They got some rehabbing of their entire franchise image to do.

457
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's the problem, right, But at least the witch

458
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: is dead, you.

459
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,719
Speaker 1: Know, at thirty at four and thirteen in New England.

460
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,959
Speaker 2: Patriots offensively, there's bad. They're offensive, but that defense can

461
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 2: hang with a lot of these bad teams without question.

462
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they shouldn't be thirty. They're better

463
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: than those last two teams. I mean they have a

464
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: hard time completing passes to get first downs. Yeah, you know,

465
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 2: and they have no speed on offense at.

466
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: Twenty nine down two spots. This is the only other

467
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: team that I would have considered in that thirty spot,

468
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: the Chargers.

469
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 2: The way they ended, yeah, I mean on their best

470
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 2: day in Week eight or whatever. Sure, they're better than this.

471
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: This was a team that people, some people had a

472
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender.

473
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, every year someone bites for it and bites on it,

474
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 2: but never again. You'd have to show me a lot,

475
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 2: you know.

476
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: I brought it up to you before. I mean, does

477
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: this start to tarnish justin Herbert a little bit?

478
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: See?

479
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: I think he's more like Lawrence where you love him,

480
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,239
Speaker 1: you love him both, right, but at some point you

481
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: get tagged with that loser, I know, you know, as

482
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: a loser, and it's tough to get out of that,

483
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, he is a sub five hundred

484
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: record as a starting quarterback.

485
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, and he's gonna be

486
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: probably sub five hundred next year, right, I mean, I

487
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 2: mean I'll be gonna get worse before it gets better.

488
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: Is he Matthew Stafford and it takes you ten years

489
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: to shake? That might be? I don't think he's just

490
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: talented as Stafford, though he's close.

491
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Stafford's rare, but Herbert's pretty rare too. I

492
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: I love him.

493
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: He gets stuck on those bad franchises and things just

494
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: happen all the time.

495
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: Okay, crazy he talk? Would you trade? Would you consider

496
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: trading Herbert and just really blow it up? Like, give

497
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: me a million first round picks, keep like Slater and

498
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: that's it. Like trade Bosa for six, just get him

499
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: out of the world.

500
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: At some point they're gonna have to come to that realization.

501
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think you do it everything but him.

502
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: If you blow it up now, it's gonna take you

503
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: several years to get it back, even with the great quarterback.

504
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: And again, by the time, this is going to be

505
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: a Detroit situation where you're gonna end up trading that

506
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: guy and he's thirty because you haven't won anything with him.

507
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: Probably, I mean, just the nature of that organization lends

508
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: itself to that. But this you're gonna have a new coach.

509
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: Here's I'm sure.

510
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm positive that's not what they're going to do. They're

511
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Speaker 1: gonna keep.

512
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: They're gonna keep Herbert. I would too, but I think

513
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: you should have the discussion. If you can get three

514
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: first for him, I mean, you'd get more than what

515
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: the Browns for Watson. Yeah, and that was at least

516
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: three first, right, So, and the new team m have

517
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: to sign signing boats.

518
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: At twenty eight up a spot. Arizona offense is good. Yeah,

519
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say that defenses defensive, yes, at twenty

520
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: seven up a spot. The Giants, Yeah, I.

521
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: Thought they kind of ended respectably once they got Taylor Beck. Yeah,

522
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: when they go what's his face? The veto out of

523
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: there and the world, you know, they figured out who

524
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: they are.

525
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: Penguin Yeah, at twenty six, down two spots. The seven

526
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: and ten Falcons.

527
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: New head coach. I mean, they ran the ball so well.

528
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: They went five and ten in their last fifteen and

529
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: it got embarrassed recently.

530
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: Defense was a lot better than last year, but they

531
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: were like six or seventh in offensive DVOA last year

532
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: based on their run game. So you thought you had

533
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: that to build off of and that they did not collapsed.

534
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: They did not at I'll play spot.

535
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good job.

536
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: Though. Here's the problem with Atlanta.

537
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta get a quarterback.

538
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: The Atlanta fan base. Well, I think the Falcons are

539
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: really third down there.

540
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Braves are ahead of them.

541
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: The Braves are ahead of them. I think the I

542
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: think the Hawks are too no clue on that, and

543
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: then you get it. You get it like you're you're

544
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: behind the University of Georgia.

545
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: No, that makes sense too, right, But you could probably

546
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: persuade them too. I mean you start winning, I'm sure.

547
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: Like it's a football I mean, if obviously they're if

548
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: they're hopping behind, but I think it's a college type town.

549
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

550
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's definitely a braves town, like you're that's

551
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: what you're fighting down there.

552
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: No, I hear you, I hear you. I'm just talking

553
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: about cap space roster. If I could have, if I

554
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: had an outlet to a quarterback, maybe it's fields. I

555
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: don't think that's a terrible job.

556
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

557
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: At twenty five is the Titans.

558
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, it might even be a little kind to them,

559
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: but okay, they won the last game, thanks Tennessee.

560
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: At twenty four the Jet, I would take the Titans.

561
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: Jets, Jets. I mean, in fact that they play Week eighteen,

562
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: Tennessee wins that game. Yeah, yeah, in either building.

563
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean we said it all season. Line again, Ed

564
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Holme has to be a New York guy.

565
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: Hashato is awful basically better than everyone or worse than

566
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: everyone but Carolina.

567
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: In New England, New England. Yeah, but it's thirtieth Yeah,

568
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's at the bottom of the league. Yeah,

569
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: at twenty three, down a spot. The Broncos, they're the

570
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: best team yet. Yeah, I bet there's a couple of

571
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: teams ahead of the Broncos here that I would say.

572
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're better than that. Denver beats in a toornament.

573
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, including the next team at twenty two, the Vikings.

574
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I trust Denver more than I trust the way.

575
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: They're playing right now. Yeah, quarterback and even without.

576
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: Even without Wilson, Wilson and Wilson's kind of an odd situation.

577
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: Like if you if there's a playoff game right now,

578
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: Wilson would be starting. Yeah, you know what I mean,

579
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: So he got bench for different reasons.

580
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: At twenty one, down a spot, the Bears.

581
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: Bad last game, but good momentum versus Broncos. That'd be

582
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: a fun game. Yeah, I'd want to watch that. I'd

583
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: be high on my list and be competitive. I'd probably

584
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: take the Bears.

585
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: At twenty up three spots. The Raiders.

586
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Boy, their defense got so much better, but I still

587
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: have skepticism, just because I don't think they have very

588
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: many good players on that side of the ball.

589
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: They don't, but the offense, the offense has weapons. The

590
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: defense was good. Well, the quarterback stinks, but this is

591
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: where I mean. They finished eight nine second in that division.

592
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he'll be the coach.

593
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: I think they were what six and five under the

594
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: under piers at least yeah.

595
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: At least Yeah. I mean I know he's a winning record.

596
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: They're very competitive.

597
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean, if they don't end up landing a whale

598
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: like Harball, I think he comes back.

599
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: And that's a tough that's a tough part of it is.

600
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: I think you make that decision like you can't can

601
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: you put out feelers when you got a guy in

602
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: there like that's.

603
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that you can guarantee Pierce

604
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: the job like announce it today. Team wouldn't mind.

605
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: I would. I think he I think that. I think

606
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: he is a He showed himself to be a leader

607
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: of men.

608
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. I didn't know this, but it

609
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: adds up because I remember him playing. He's only been

610
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: a coach for like four years.

611
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care about it.

612
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean young.

613
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, let him go out and hire some

614
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: guys on his staff.

615
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, be good to have a fangio. And just to

616
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: an old dude, old grizzled, go get Rivera or somebody.

617
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: He's a defensive guy, so go get yourself an offensive guy,

618
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: because that's what McDaniels was, and and so you need

619
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: to to get that side of the ball too.

620
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: That's one of the negatives of hiring him is, well,

621
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: who's your O C right, you know, because we're gonna

622
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: have a new quarterback. Give me a plan.

623
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: As a former player, I'll bet he has some ideas

624
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: on guys he'd like to hire.

625
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: I was about, say the option, because he hasn't been

626
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: who's he coached with? Not many?

627
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: But if he he played under a bunch of guys, yeah,

628
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, so there's but.

629
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: If he can go to Al Davis's son and say

630
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: I got this oc lined up and it's a good one,

631
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: all right?

632
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh nineteen holding steady the Seahawks.

633
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: They're the best team yet.

634
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't have broke my heart to see them in

636
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

637
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: At eighteen holding steady the Bengals. I put Seattle over Cincinnati.

638
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, defense is about the same.

639
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: Defense are about the same, but Seattle's offense. Yeah at

640
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: seventeen down?

641
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: Sorry, are we convince Browning's gonna last this league for

642
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: ten years and hold a clipboard most of the time?

643
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, did he do enough to be that guy? No,

644
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: you don't think.

645
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: I don't think so well, I don't. I don't think

646
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: I thought by that guy you meant a starter somewhere. No,

647
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: not at all.

648
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean, like last ten years.

649
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, worse than Minshew, he'll be that.

650
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he graduated or you know, leave the league with

651
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: a lot of millions in the bank and more games.

652
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've had those guys in the past.

653
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he did enough that. Yeah, he's an

654
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: NFL player, not smarter.

655
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean really, the only teams that he looked awful

656
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: against were the Steelers twice.

657
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: No, I think they've if you're sincey this year didn't

658
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: go as planned, But one of the positives was we

659
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: have a cheap backup for Burrow who misses a lot

660
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: of time that I can live with.

661
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how long they've got him though,

662
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: because he spent I don't know, he spent a long

663
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: time in Minnesota.

664
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: So he's not young.

665
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's like already twenty eight. Yeah, yeah, seventeen

666
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: down four spots is Indianapolis.

667
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: So if you're a fan of both those teams, Colts

668
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: and Bengals, I think you're happy with where you are

669
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: going into next year.

670
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: I think you're happier if you're a Colts fan because

671
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: you didn't expect to be nine and eight this year.

672
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: I say same thing, because you're young and you can't

673
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: tell you ask a Bengals fan, he do you expect

674
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: to be nine and eight missed the playoffs this year?

675
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

676
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: But you still could be a super Bowl contender next year.

677
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: That's fine, But this is a wasted year for you

678
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and your team is not going to look the same

679
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: as it did.

680
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: And the Colts are kind of opposite him that nobody

681
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: thought they'd have a Round five hundred. Yeah, you know,

682
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: they look like a five or six win team.

683
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: No, I think you're much happier if you're a Colts fan,

684
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and you're if you're a Bengals.

685
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: Fan and your psyche this could be about Richardson.

686
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh buck, he still has to prove he

687
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: can finish a game, start and finish it. Yeah, that's

688
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: that would be. I would have him go go talk

689
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: to the people who too would talk to all off

690
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: season about the lands and taking hits. Yeah, like that

691
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: actually worked for him. Yeah yeah, maybe you know, have

692
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: him bring in a stunt man and have them here's

693
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: how you take a false son I kind of brush.

694
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: That off, but I heard a little clip from a

695
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: podcast I was listening to about someone that knows that

696
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: kind of stuff for a living something man type stuff,

697
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: and they're like, he falls differently. Now, okay, good. Everyone

698
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: should do it.

699
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: Everybody should do it, and Kenny should do it.

700
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: Mason should do everything.

701
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: At sixteen down four spots Jacksonville, I.

702
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Might even be harder on him.

703
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: They finished badly.

704
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: They weren't a good team. They weren't a mediocre team.

705
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: At the end of the season, they were one and

706
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: five down the stretch.

707
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: I think they lose to Seattle or I think they

708
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: lose Indy Andy. I don't know about the Bengals, but

709
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: a couple of those teams are definitely better than Jacks. Yeah.

710
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: They were eight and three and finished nine and eight.

711
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, you want to talk about a collapse, that's a collapse. Collapse,

712
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: and again, Lawrence started all five losses. They can't even

713
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: blame it on that.

714
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you had that division by the throat and

715
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 2: just now you're sitting down.

716
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Can't even blame it all. Well, we didn't have a quarterback.

717
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: No, that's.

718
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: The only game you won was when your backup started.

719
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he made a lot of mistakes.

720
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: At fifteen up two spots, New Orleans.

721
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm not sure they're much

722
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: different than like the Bears or Denver, but yeah, you

723
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: know they're okay.

724
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: At fourteen up a spot, the Steelers.

725
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Okay, they would have them over every team mentioned. Yeah,

726
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: we'll see who's above them. I mean, I know who's

727
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 2: above them.

728
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: All the playoffs, the playoff team they have, they have this,

729
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: he has the Steelers as the worst playoff team because

730
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: he I don't know it. I don't do that with

731
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: that either.

732
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: But there's fourteen playoff teams and he has them in

733
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 2: the top fourteen, which I wouldn't have had either. I mean,

734
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: there's a couple of non playoff teams I think are

735
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: better than playoff teams.

736
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

737
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: At thirteen up three spots, so they jumped to Steelers.

738
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: Are the Packers that I get?

739
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you get it.

740
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't because when they played on the same field,

741
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers won the game and it was pretty convincing.

742
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: We actually think both teams are better now than they were.

743
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: I did two I do, especially the Packers offense.

744
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: But well, I don't know that these Packers defense could

745
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: stop the Steelers, so I think they're like they would

746
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: run all over them.

747
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: To be honest, those two would be right next to

748
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: each other. I don't care who's the ahead of the other,

749
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: but they would be right next to each other, and

750
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: they both would be a little higher than this, like

751
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: they'd be over the box to me, Yeah.

752
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: At twelve, are up two spots of the buck, so

753
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: they jumped over the Steelers.

754
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the bumps on fourteen or fifteen, you beat.

755
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: The worst team in football nine to nothing in a

756
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: game you needed to win.

757
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: I think the Saints were fifteen were the best team

758
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: not in the playoffs on this list. I'm mu sure

759
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: the Saints aren't better than the Box.

760
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we talked about that yesterday. You know, I

761
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: don't think that this is a good Bucks team. I

762
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: think they beat the right teams to get to win

763
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: the division. I don't think they're a good.

764
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: Football They had a really easy schedule too, and there

765
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: were two.

766
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Teams I wanted to pick against going into this. There's

767
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: also actually there's four teams that I wanted to pick

768
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: against in the opening weekend of the playoffs each other.

769
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Four of them are all playing each other. Wing to

770
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: pick against Miami, Kansas City, Philadelphia, and Tampa Bay. Philly

771
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and t Bay agree, and I don't think Kansas City

772
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: is right for the picking too right now, But they're

773
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: playing a team that I'm down in Miami. I don't

774
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: think Miami's gonna go in there and beat them.

775
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't either. As for Tampa, though they all

776
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: kicked their coverage this year. They expectations and yeah they

777
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: did some good things. Yeah, Baker might come back. You know, at.

778
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Eleven down two spots Philadelphia, I would be much much

779
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: harder on what what what Philadelphia has put on the

780
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: out there. They were ten and one at one point.

781
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: I don't think the Eagles beat the Saints right now

782
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: ten and one.

783
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: They went one in five. How are they any different

784
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: than Jacksonville other than the fact that they won their

785
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: division or didn't win their division but finished in the

786
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: wild card.

787
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: So here's a crazy way of looking at it. Like

788
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: if the Bears and Eagles played in a neutral site

789
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: right now, I might think the Bears.

790
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I might take the Bears too, Yeah, yeah.

791
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: Think through it. They're playing better.

792
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Like Philadelphia and Philadelphia's injuries are every bit, if not

793
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: worse than what then the Steelers losing? What? Yeah, like

794
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: if AJ Brown doesn't play and DeVante Smith doesn't play,

795
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: how the heck are they moving the football right?

796
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: And there was a crown the lightest scrimmage? Yeah right?

797
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: I mean are they better than the Raiders right now?

798
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm not a big Raiders believer. I'm just thinking some

799
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: of these mediocre teams that we mentioned five ten minutes.

800
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: These are all the teams they lost to.

801
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how they're playing right now.

802
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: The Giants smoked them last week and pushed them away

803
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: in a game that Philadelphia needed to win. Yes, that game.

804
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: Now, they shuttled their dudes down at the end. They

805
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: kept showing the that's not what happened earlier.

806
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: They kept showing the Dallas when Philadelphia fell behind like

807
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: twenty one nothing. Dallas was losing that game.

808
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: The Eagles were not tanking, you.

809
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Know, the Eagles. They didn't look at the scoreboard at

810
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: oh wow, Dallas is winning that game.

811
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: We're gonna no, no, no it both sides of the ball.

812
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: They lost that game, flat out, just lost it.

813
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: What's amazing to me is that team is built on

814
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. Like everyone will tell you the last

815
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: three year, the best D line O line combination of

816
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: the league is the Philadelphi Eagles, and they invested in

817
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: like crazy, not anymore, and that part's falling apart. Yeah,

818
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: like you could be like, oh, back seven's are very good.

819
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: Oh we knew that, you know, but now they're getting

820
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: beat up on both lines.

821
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: It's not good. Uh. At ten holding steady.

822
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: Of the Rams, I would have them higher and they

823
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: would mentioned. I also have them a higher than Dolphins.

824
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: At nine up, two spots is Houston.

825
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. Rams roths Houston's a conversation to me.

826
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: At eight down four spots is Miami, they'd be down too.

827
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: I think i'd have them lower based on what all

828
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: the injuries they have.

829
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm still not sure if two is good.

830
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: They don't have a say. They signed three outside linebackers today. Yeah,

831
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: they including Jamiir Jones who was the Steelers three last year,

832
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: have one sack and had multiple opportunities. Nice kid, Yeah,

833
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: great kid, good special steamer. Yeah, but you should.

834
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Have to play for they don't have to play. Yeah,

835
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: I mean like Justin Houston got signed today. Yeah, you

836
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: know those type of deals, right, they're really bad.

837
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: They're in deep trouble.

838
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: They're in deep, true, deep trouble. I don't think their

839
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: quarterback can elevate him.

840
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he can either.

841
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: That'd be a really interesting conversation is do they give

842
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: him They're not gonna give him Hurtz Borrow Herbert money,

843
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: but I.

844
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Assume give Cousins money, I guess. Or do you trade

845
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: him like golf? They could do that, but then you

846
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. I know, I know you're not

847
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: going with Mike White.

848
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: No, and they're not gonna pick early enough to get

849
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: a rook.

850
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: At seven up a spot is Kansas City.

851
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that kind of feel like I haven't

852
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: seen them in a while. I mean, they totally arrested everybody.

853
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: At six up a spot is Cleveland. I can't put

854
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: Cleveland ahead of Kansas City. I just can't either.

855
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I dug up about about playing.

856
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Their defenses are basically equal.

857
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with with Cleveland. The Browns allowed an

858
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: average of twenty eight point four points per game on

859
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: the road this season and turned the ball over nineteen times.

860
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: The offense turned it over now in eight games.

861
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, they would go on.

862
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 1: They were three and five.

863
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: One leads to the other, turn over put the defense

864
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: in bad spot.

865
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Their last road win came in week fifteen. They beat

866
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: the Texans thirty six twenty two. Who's that's who they

867
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: played this week, which sounds great, but you have to

868
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: remember Houston started Davis Mills and played case Keenuman. Yeah.

869
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: That's not a Shroud game, right, And I'm not sure

870
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: if even played in that game.

871
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: No, he didn't in Houston. Houston still scored twenty two

872
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: points in that game.

873
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think they're somewhat of They turned the

874
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: ball mirrors a little bit. Yeah, I think there's some

875
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: some luck and bounces that have gone their way.

876
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: He turned the ball over two times per game in

877
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

878
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're losing. Joe's been putting the ball in

879
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: harm's way and he takes a lot of sacks. Yeah,

880
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: but he's doing some good things too. But he's he's playing.

881
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Like he's Josh Allen, right, and he's not right exactly,

882
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: he's not. It's the roller coaster at five is Detroit.

883
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: They'd be better than everyone so far, maybe higher.

884
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got a tough game against the Rams of

885
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: this week, real tough game.

886
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might pick the the points.

887
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: At four up two spots is Buffalo.

888
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Detroit's a little more steady than Buffalo,

889
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: but I get it.

890
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. At three is Dallas holding steady? Yeah, Buffalo versus

891
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: Dallas and Detroit. Is Detroit had Dallas beat in Dallas.

892
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: I think they're the better I think they're a better

893
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: team won that game. Yeah, I think they're a better

894
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: team in Dallas.

895
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: But they might meet again.

896
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: They might meet again, and it will be in Dallasallas

897
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: because of because of the ref situation, right, Yeah, and

898
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: two of San Francisco. One is Baltimore.

899
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Who is a better chance to go to Super Bowl?

900
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 2: The Ravens or Niners. I'm going to say the Niners.

901
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: And here's just a path Baltimore. I don't believe.

902
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Is real happy that both Cleveland and Pittsburgh got into

903
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, because and they get the Steelers if

904
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: the Steelers can sweak out and there's a good chance

905
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: that they would get Cleveland if Cleveland wins, probably because

906
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: they would be received. And then you play the of

907
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: those teams you're one and three against those two teams

908
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: this year.

909
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, the AFC in general is more difficulty. Like

910
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: they're favored in the AFC Championship in Baltimore against the

911
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Chiefs or Bills. But if the Bills are not a lot,

912
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: If the Bills are Chiefs are in the AFC Championship,

913
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: they did some good things recently, right, and could be

914
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: real scary.

915
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to play those quarterbacks in that situation.

916
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: I agree.

917
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: The Niners haven't easier path too.

918
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

919
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: The team I might worry me if I'm the Niners

920
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: is the Rams.

921
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: The Rams are because they're again the familiarity Yeah, from

922
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: favor Shanahan type of thing, Like I wish the Rams

923
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: didn't get in.

924
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see Detroit.

925
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: Knock off the Rams, you know, right, Yeah, so it's

926
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. Oh yeah, but that's Eric Hedholmes

927
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: Power rankings as we head into the postseason.

928
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: Don't have a lot of arguments with it.

929
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: All in all, Yeah, we're gonna take another break and uh,

930
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: we'll be back Matt Night right after this. Welcome back.

931
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lalli. He is the Matt Williamson and

932
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Matt of course, with the playoff coming up, here. You

933
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of different first time since kind of

934
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: stuff out there.

935
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: Oh sure, that makes sense.

936
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: This is a cool one though. For the first time

937
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: in twenty three years, the NFL playoff team field features

938
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: three franchises that have never played in the Super Bowl.

939
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: Huh, Houston Browns and Detroit Detroit ok Boys. Browns and

940
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Detroit aren't new either two.

941
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Of them play each other because Cleveland gets is out

942
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: of Houston. The last time an NFL postseeding included as

943
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: many franchises without a Super Bowl berth was in two

944
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: thousand when it was Baltimore, New Orleans and Tampa Bay.

945
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: That's a long time ago, I mean, think about it,

946
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 1: but all three of them have since one one say.

947
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: They've all gotten there. Well, the Browns and Lions, ever,

948
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean, oh yeah, this is a good a chance

949
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: the Lions have had in my lifetime. Though.

950
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: The last time both the Browns and Lions won at

951
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: least ten games in the same season.

952
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Probably never in the Super Bowl year, I'm

953
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: right about that.

954
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, never in the Super Bowl area. You have

955
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: to go back to nineteen fifty three. The fifties, they

956
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: were both good. Yeah, nineteen fifty three. Detroit defeated Cleveland

957
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL Championship Game seventeen sixteen. They both won

958
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: double digit game.

959
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: Is that like the Dick Lebo teams or is he Yeah? Okay, yeah,

960
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: Auto Graham and yeah, I mean that makes sense. They

961
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: were both really good train lane Yeah, yeah, yeah, that

962
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: adds a fifty three.

963
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: But that a long time.

964
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: Wow, it's seven years.

965
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Ago, you know, I hear, you know, brought wee. The

966
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Steelers haven't won a playoff game in six seasons, and

967
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: if they go, they don't win one this year at seven. Yeah,

968
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: these teams have never won a Super Bowl every They've

969
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: never even been to a super Bowl.

970
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Houston's not even that new. I mean the

971
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Lions and Brown had a different conversation. I mean, wow,

972
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: but Houston's been around a long time as well.

973
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: They've been there.

974
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they should should win two thousand and two.

975
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: Is that as it's been Yeah, okay, so it's over

976
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: twenty years. I mean, if you look at it this way, folks,

977
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: if you win a super Bowl every thirty two years.

978
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: That's what you should That's what you're supposed to.

979
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Have going right. Yeah, you know what I mean, so

980
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: the Steelers really should have one and a half or two.

981
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Two's hit you hit black

982
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: on roulette more often than you you won at the casino.

983
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: No, I get it, you know what I mean. I mean,

984
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: you want to compete for the super Bowl every single season.

985
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: And that wasn't thirty two teams? Right, So the you

986
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: know it's higher now, but still that's what the league wants.

987
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's set up to do that. I think

988
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: this year more than any other year that I remember,

989
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: the parody.

990
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: The middle class, the middle class, the middle class was huge.

991
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 2: I mean twenty teams were in it three days ago.

992
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we just went through the power rankings,

993
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: and is there a ton of difference between between team

994
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: number twenty four and team number ten? No, maybe you

995
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: go to eight couple of breaks, yeah, you know here

996
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: or there, maybe you didn't have an injury here or there.

997
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: That to me, uh, you know, when I look at

998
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: this season for the Steelers, the injuries that they've over

999
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: if you told me before the season started that they

1000
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: would play games without multiple games without Cam Hayward, without

1001
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Mika Fitzpatrick, without Deante Johnson, without Pat Fryarmouth.

1002
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean multiple games.

1003
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Not.

1004
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: Yes, they left the game and you know, came back next.

1005
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Week, Kenny Pickett got hurt and three you told me.

1006
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: You used three quarterbacks? Yeah, on purpose? Well I guess

1007
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: you didn't use Mitch on purpose, but you started three.

1008
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1009
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh man, this was a rough season.

1010
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: You might be drafting Caleb William Yeah. I mean maybe

1011
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: that's how the season went.

1012
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: And you want to they won ten games this.

1013
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 2: Year, Yeah, that's funny, like the things you just listed.

1014
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: Plus you started three quarterbacks. If you told Matt and

1015
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Dale that in Latrobe, I'd be like, yeah, maybe they

1016
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: won five.

1017
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's aye. It's a rough year.

1018
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you know, last in the division certainly not playoffs. Yeah,

1019
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean that's what you'd predict.

1020
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean to me, I know, the team

1021
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: won't look at it this way. No, but in some

1022
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: ways they're playing a little bit house money.

1023
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: I kind of feel that way too, And the fact

1024
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: that they got into the playoffs kind of nothing to

1025
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: lose in this game, you know what I.

1026
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: Mean, really don't. I mean, the pressure is clearly on Buffalo.

1027
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1028
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: They were the team that's supposed to be here. They're

1029
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: the team that was supposed to be the number two seed.

1030
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: They're the team that started six and six and had

1031
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: to fight their way into the playoffs because they were

1032
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: way under two. People were talking about Sean McDermott, maybe

1033
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: he should get fired.

1034
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: There was a stretch there, yeah, when they were a

1035
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: long shot to make the playoffs. And frankly, where their

1036
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: team build is their windows not going up and opening,

1037
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: it's coming down, right, like the von Miller moves, you know,

1038
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: like they're not getting anying out of that guy. And

1039
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: you know that was he was signed to win the

1040
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: super Bowl. Right now.

1041
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: You went all in this year to win the Super Bowl,

1042
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: and so if you don't do it, then you know

1043
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: again that pressure's on you. So the Steelers, I think

1044
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: go into this game thinking, hey, we get you know,

1045
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to be here. We felt we would

1046
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: be here, but everybody in the league, I mean, there

1047
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: weren't many people picking the Steelers to make the playoffs, right,

1048
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: So quarterback aside, big picture, there's not much I would

1049
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: trade with the Bills, right, cap space, ability to add players, flexibility.

1050
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Really when you look at the two rosters and we'll

1051
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: do this tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, you look at the rosters.

1052
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: The Steelers roster overall is either equal to or better

1053
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: than except for the quarterback position.

1054
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: I mean, if a Genie came down and said, we'll

1055
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: give you Josh Allen, but oh, it's the best team

1056
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: the league. Yeah, I mean he's a superstar. But yeah,

1057
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: I mean that's the Bills roster is not supreme, and

1058
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: it's going the wrong way.

1059
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things one of

1060
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: the beauties of the build that the Steelers did this year.

1061
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: We talked about the depth when they were doing all

1062
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: the signings last spring, like, oh, yeah, they really like

1063
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: their depth here. You know what they're doing with the depth.

1064
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: How do we open the show? We talked about herbig

1065
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: and Golden, like, you lost your best player, maybe the

1066
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: best defensive player walking the planet right now. That crippled

1067
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: you last year. This year, it hurts. It hurts, it hurts,

1068
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: but you're in better shape.

1069
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you had to play whoever next week,

1070
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, well we'll get by Yeah. I mean

1071
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: they may add somebody like samal who in the off

1072
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: season or two. Yeah, you know, like that's a nice addition, right,

1073
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: And to me, I think the biggest difference you know again,

1074
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin always likes to use the next man up mentality. Well,

1075
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: when the next man up is a guy who's played

1076
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: eighty games in the NFL. When the next man up

1077
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: is Eric Rowe's row or Jack Yeah, you know right,

1078
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: that's Roster. Then throwing some Michael Walker who wasn't great,

1079
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: or a six round draft pick in there that you know,

1080
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: if you don't know what's.

1081
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: Mark Robinson was your only option when the linebacker thing

1082
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: blew up, you'd have been worse off.

1083
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: There's no doubt why it because you don't know you're

1084
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: going to get mistakes. Yeah, anyways, that's going to do

1085
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: it for today's show. Matt and I will be back

1086
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: again tomorrow, and I'm sure we'll have more to talk

1087
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: about here with this big playoff game coming up. But

1088
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on

1089
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lallie. We

1090
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to this edition of the Drive

1091
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio.