1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Murder in Oregon is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, fifteen years after Michael Frankie's murder, 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: an astounding document, one that could have aided greatly in 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: Frank Gable's defense, was discovered. It was a sworn statement 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: signed and witnessed on December eleventh, nineteen ninety five, months 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: before Gable's trial, but it was never presented in his 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: defense or in his subsequent appeal. In fact, it was 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: buried in a forgotten box of evidence until it was 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: unearthed by Kevin Frankie. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: The Linda Parker interview was extremely teller and very very, 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: very very disturbing. When I'd read that, I could not 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: believe that this was in existence at the time that 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: frank was tried, but it wasn't presented to the courts. 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: She was never called. I was beyond belief. 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Linda Parker was a former secretary and girlfriend of Scott McAllister, 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: That's the former Oregon Assistant Attorney General who some felt 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: really ran the state's Department of Corrections before Michael Frankie 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: got there. We have a copy of that nineteen ninety 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: sworn statement, and it reveals more than a few very 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: concerning skeletons in Scott McAllister's closet. I'm Lauren brag Pacheco 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: and this is Murder and Oregon The. 22 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: Hi. 23 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 5: I'm here to see mister Jen Rennan. 24 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm readin as a reporter for the Portland Tribune and 25 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: one of Oregon's most seasoned journalists. Nice to meet you 26 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: in person. He's a jovial disposition that's balanced with a direct, 27 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: quizzical stare that peers out from behind dark wire rimmed glasses. 28 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: Like Stanford, Steve Jackson and Eric Mason. He's been covering 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: the Frankie Murder for three decades. Here's his take on 30 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: Scott McAllister. 31 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: Well, Scott McAllister was the longtime Department of Justice attorney 32 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 4: for the Correction Division, and he had been there assigned 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: to them for quite a while. And it had been 34 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: practice in the Department of Justice to rotate attorneys because 35 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 4: you don't want them getting too close to their agencies. 36 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: They need to have that arms length, objective perspective. But 37 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: he stayed a long time. He seemed like I guess 38 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: he liked the work and as possible that other attorneys 39 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: just didn't want to do it because you're dealing with 40 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: criminals all the time. 41 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: Reddin, like the other journalists and colleagues of Frankie we've interviewed, 42 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: was aware of apparent issues with Scott McCallister. 43 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: He and Michael Frankie got into some huge argument shortly 44 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: after Frankie arrived and shortly before he was murdered. Mcallislor 45 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 4: got reassigned and Quip left the Department of Justice and 46 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: moved to Utah. 47 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: That's where McAllister would meet a woman named Linda Parker. 48 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: She worked in adjoining offices to McAllister when she was 49 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: hired by the Attorney General's Office in Utah. It wasn't 50 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: long before she attracted McAllister's eye and unwanted interference in 51 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: her career. We were able to contact Parker, who agreed 52 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: to speak with us under the condition we not reveal 53 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: her current name or state or she resides. To this day, 54 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: she remains deeply afraid of Scott McAllister. 55 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 6: I was a paralegal for the Attorney General's Office and 56 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 6: we were housed at the Department of Corrections right outside 57 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 6: Scott's office. He was the Inspector General and worked for 58 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 6: the Department of Corrections. So My first impression was he 59 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 6: was arrogant and he was always getting me to do 60 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 6: things for the Department of Corrections as opposed to the 61 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 6: AG's office. And then eventually he had me transferred from 62 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 6: the AG's office to the Inspector General's. 63 00:04:53,240 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Office without her knowledge or consent. Linda was the thirty 64 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: six and struggling through a difficult divorce. McAllister quickly attempted 65 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: to take advantage of her situation. 66 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 6: He kept asking me out, not necessarily on a date. 67 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 6: He was always comfort dinner, or come and make dinner, 68 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 6: or you know, stuff like that. I was in a 69 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 6: really rough place at the time, going through a divorce, 70 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 6: I had a young daughter, hadn't worked since we had 71 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 6: adopted my daughter, so it was my first job back 72 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 6: into the working field, and I had a very low 73 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 6: opinion of myself. I didn't think anybody would be interested 74 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 6: in a divorced single mom, so in that sense, it 75 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 6: was an ego boost for me. 76 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: And initially she didn't see McAllister as a manipulative opportunist, 77 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 2: and the two dated for about two months in the 78 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: summer of nineteen eighty nine. 79 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 6: At the time, for lack of a better explanation, I 80 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 6: wasn't mature enough to see what was actually going on, 81 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 6: but his. 82 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: True colors soon became apparent and were even on display. 83 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 6: Scott had made a sign in Utah for his office door, 84 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 6: and it said the Iceman Prince of Darkness, and he 85 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 6: was very proud of the nickname that he had assigned 86 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 6: to himself. I don't believe that he just came up 87 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 6: with that when he moved to Utah. That had to 88 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 6: have been his attitude in Oregon and wherever else before Oregon. 89 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: While Parker knew McAllister had recently moved to Utah from Oregon, 90 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: he was never clear as to why. 91 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 6: He just said that he was offered a job from 92 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 6: the executive whatever of the Department of Corrections and that 93 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 6: it was time for him to move. 94 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: And once he was in Utah, McAllister transferred a loyal 95 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: Oregon work buddy to work with him in Utah Corrections 96 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: and they socialized outside of work. 97 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 6: There were a group of people over at Scott's house 98 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 6: and he had brought another gentleman over to be the 99 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 6: warden at a prison. Al was the name. He was 100 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 6: a police officer in Oregon, and when Scott brought him 101 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 6: down to Utah. He gave them the position of Director 102 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 6: of Civil Litigation for the Inspector General's Office. So I 103 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 6: don't know how the hierarchies are in the police field, 104 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 6: but that's a pretty damn good promotion. 105 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: It was during one of their gatherings that Linda Parker 106 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: first heard talk of Frankie murder. 107 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 6: They were talking about how they couldn't believe it was 108 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 6: still in the news. There was a lot of laughing, 109 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 6: a lot of joking about it, the fact that he 110 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 6: was such a low life. They were trying to pin 111 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 6: something on Scott and his crew. Scott had said that 112 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 6: he may have to go back up to Oregon to 113 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 6: take care of some business, and then it was a 114 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 6: little bit more intense. 115 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: What were your impressions about how McAllister felt about Michael Frankie. 116 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 6: It was a burden off. 117 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: Of his back that Michael was dead. 118 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 6: Yes. 119 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: At some point McAllister complained about having to take a 120 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: polygraph test. 121 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 6: He said all he needed to do was take value 122 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 6: or some sort of downer, and that he could contry 123 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 6: roll his pulse and beat any polygraph that was ever 124 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 6: presented to him. He kept a variety of hills in 125 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 6: his office. He was always taken something. After the polygraph, 126 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 6: Scott said that he wouldn't have needed it. 127 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: He could have. 128 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 6: Snowed the guy without it. And then I had asked 129 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 6: him if he had anything to worry about, and he 130 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 6: said no. There had been over one hundred and forty 131 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 6: incidents of violations and misconduct during his seventeen years in 132 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 6: Oregon and not one had ever been pinned on him. 133 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 6: So he knew the ropes, he knew what to do. 134 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 6: He had made the comment several different times that he 135 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 6: was well protected that nothing was tied to him. 136 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: Here are Kevin and Pat Frankie discussing that polygraph. 137 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: The District Attorney Dale Penn had arranged to have a 138 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: polygraph team quote unquote, and I believe it was either 139 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: the local police or Stay police in Utah. It was 140 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: just no, no, They did it there at his office. 141 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: They sent up a list of questions to ask him 142 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: and that was it. They didn't give them any background 143 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: on the case, any background on the individual. Just hear 144 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: the questions to ask him and follow the protocol to 145 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 3: ask him these questions and send us the results. And 146 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: according to Linda Parker, he took a sedative to dull 147 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: his responses cut off the highs and low peaks of 148 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: his heart rate prior to the polygraph, and he was 149 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: expecting a team from Oregon to come up and really 150 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: grill him, and it didn't show up. In fact, it 151 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: was just the local Utah authorities with a list of 152 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: the three or five questions I think, and he was 153 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: bragging about how easy it was. He said he could 154 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: have passed it without the medication because told Parker. 155 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: But while McAllister may have been cavalier about the polygraph 156 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: or being linked to wrongdoings, he seemed very interested in 157 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: Frank Cable's trial. 158 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 6: He was getting updates on the trial, what was going on, 159 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 6: what the news clippings had to say. And later it 160 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 6: all made sense because he had a girlfriend in Oregon 161 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 6: who was working with him at the time. Her name 162 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 6: was Grace, and she would come down to visit him, 163 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 6: and on one of those visits she brought him down 164 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 6: some boxes of stuff, and in the beginning I didn't 165 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 6: know what was in the boxes. I know that they 166 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 6: had a lot of conversation and that was his go 167 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 6: to person for information. 168 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: Like others loyal to McAllister, Grace would leave Oregon for Utah. 169 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 6: At the time, I thought it was odd that he 170 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 6: had brought so many people and put them in high 171 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 6: up positions within the Department of Corrections. And then when 172 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 6: things started evolving and I started getting manipulated even more, 173 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 6: it was like all of these people were his minions. 174 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 6: I mean, if Scott told him to jump, they would 175 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 6: bow down and ask where and how high. It was 176 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 6: almost as if though they didn't have a mind of 177 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 6: their own. 178 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: At the same time, McAllister was increasingly pressuring Linda into 179 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: embracing an unusual relationship arrangement and the concept of group sex. 180 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 6: Well, he had started making suggestions about starting a corporation. 181 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 6: And what this corporation was is he wanted multiple women, 182 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 6: so he would be the head of the corporation and 183 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 6: everybody would live under one roof. And at first it 184 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: was and later confirmed, what he was after was more 185 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 6: like a cult. So you would pay in proportionately to 186 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 6: this corporation, and that would be for household expenses. So 187 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 6: he wanted, you know, a threesommer fours whatever it was. 188 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 6: At first I thought it was a real joke and 189 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 6: I completely turned him off. Well, then a couple of 190 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 6: days later I go to work and I get this 191 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 6: bouquet of flowers on my desk, and the card said, 192 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 6: here's to the corporation. It'll be a beautiful corporation. Nice life. 193 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 6: And that's when I started getting real nervous because also 194 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 6: at that time, he had moved Grace down from Oregon 195 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 6: to become his right hand person. 196 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: And to entice Linda into this unconventional lifestyle, he implored 197 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: her to use drugs, and he gave her a box 198 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: of tapes to watch, pornographic tapes. 199 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 6: He said that he wanted me to get comfortable with 200 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 6: the idea and that after I watched him, I would 201 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 6: know that there was nothing wrong with that type of activity. 202 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: So he left my apartment and I put the box 203 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 6: in the closet never touched it again until I quit. 204 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: And it's at this point, in late July of nineteen 205 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: eighty nine, that Linda Parker overheard a conversation at Scott 206 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: McAllister's home. It happened during a dinner gathering that was 207 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: sort of a welcome party for Grace's move to Utah. 208 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 6: Scott was talking to Grace and Harold. 209 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 7: He said. 210 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 6: It was really stupid about Frankie's murder because it was 211 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 6: supposed to look like a suicide, but was really part 212 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 6: of my language fucked up? And Harold at the time 213 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: looked Scott had said something to the fact everybody that 214 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 6: knew him knew that he meaning Frankie, never used the 215 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 6: door he was found laying in front of. And so 216 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: Harold and Scott went on and was further conversing about it, 217 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 6: and Harold said that it was no real loss because 218 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 6: nobody liked Frankie anyway, and now that Frankie was out 219 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 6: of the picture, Harold could use the Oregon Department of 220 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 6: Corrections again as a reference because nobody would be there 221 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 6: to soil his name. Scott just kept saying the job 222 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 6: was really offed up. They couldn't get anything right if 223 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 6: they tried. It was supposed to look like a suicide, 224 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 6: and they botched it. 225 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Linda Parker conveyed in her sworn 226 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: statement signed in December of nineteen ninety five, months before 227 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: Frank Gable's trial even began. But there's more. As Linda 228 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: tried to distance herself increasingly uncomfortable with McAllister, his cohorts 229 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: and his sexual demands. 230 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 6: When I completely made it absolutely one hundred percent clear 231 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 6: that that was not going to happen with me anyway. 232 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 6: He transferred me from the executive offices to the prison 233 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 6: at the point of the mountain in their mail room. 234 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 6: My world shattered once I started pulling away and didn't 235 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 6: want anything to do with whatever Scott wanted or how 236 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 6: he was manipulating the others. That's when I started having 237 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 6: problems in the mailroom at the prison, and shortly after 238 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 6: that I left the department completely and I still hadn't 239 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 6: had my final paycheck. And all of this has taken 240 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 6: place in the beginning of ninety. 241 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: And McAllister's retaliation against Linda for rejecting him didn't end 242 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: in the workplace. 243 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 6: He contacted my ex husband and told him that he 244 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 6: would work with him to have me claimed an unfit 245 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 6: parent to take my child away from me. And in fact, 246 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 6: when we had a custody hearing in court, he showed 247 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 6: up in court to back my ex husband. That's the 248 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 6: vindictive nature of this man. 249 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: Finally, she'd had enough and fought back by suing Scott 250 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: McAllister for sexual harassment. 251 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 6: When I brought a lawsuit against Gott and he was 252 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 6: served with papers when the judges said that we could 253 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 6: proceed with trial. The next morning, I went to get 254 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 6: into my car and all four tires were slashed. A 255 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 6: few days later, there was an envelope that was delivered 256 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 6: to my house and it told me to drop the 257 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 6: suit or you're dead. A few days after that, my 258 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 6: apartment was broken into. It was in the news because 259 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 6: of Scott's position, But he would have been the only 260 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 6: person that knew where I lived that could have told 261 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 6: somebody to intimidate me. And if he can do something 262 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 6: like that to a woman that doesn't have any power, 263 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 6: imagine what he could do with his connections, both within 264 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 6: and inside the prison system. Imagine what he could do 265 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 6: to people that wronged him. 266 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: But the attempts to intimidate Parker into stopping her suit 267 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: didn't work. 268 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 6: The judge had found that there was more than enough 269 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 6: evidence to back my allegations, and he said that he 270 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 6: was setting it over for trial. And that afternoon, my 271 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: attorney got a call from Risk Management saying that they 272 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 6: wanted to settle. 273 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: She would receive ninety five thousand dollars from the state 274 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: in an out of court settlement for the sexual harassment 275 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: suit she filed against McAllister and the Department of Corrections 276 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: an expensive taxpayer tab for mccallister's indiscretions, but it was 277 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: validation for Parker. 278 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 6: That proved to me that I was not imagining all 279 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 6: of this, that I wasn't going crazy. 280 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: And remember that box of pornographic tapes that Scott McAllister 281 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: gave to Linda, She still had them. 282 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 6: The US Attorney found out through the Department of Labor 283 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 6: that I had this box of information, so they asked 284 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 6: me to bring it down. So I took it down 285 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 6: to them, and that's when I found out what all 286 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 6: was in the box. It was children, women with women, 287 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 6: women with men. It was like a for lack of 288 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 6: a better word, orgy type environment. 289 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: And those tapes originated from a shocking source. 290 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 6: The evidence for other cases in Oregon that should have 291 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 6: never left the state. 292 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: Scott McAllister had been amassing child pornography seized as evidence 293 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: in Oregon cases, and he had transported it across state lines. 294 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 6: After I gave him my box, they did a search 295 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: warrant on his apartment and they found more of the 296 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 6: same stuff. 297 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: Kevin Frankie says some of those tapes even still had 298 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: evidence tags on them. 299 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: Because they were taken from child pornography cases. The FBI 300 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: agent that I talked to told me that he had 301 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of porno tapes in a 302 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: specially built case in a closet in his home. 303 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: Linda Parker would serve as a witness in the child 304 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: pornography case against McAllister. Ultimately, he'd plead guilty to reduce 305 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: charges while he lost his ability to practice in Utah. 306 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: McAllister basically received a slap on the wrist for felony 307 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: possession of child pornography, serving just seven days in jail 308 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: during October of nineteen ninety. 309 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 6: He was untouchable, and I was so disappointed, so extremely disappointed. 310 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 6: I think he lost his license for a few years, 311 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 6: but then when he moved out of state, he was 312 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: able to get it back again. And it's like he 313 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 6: uses the law manipulates the law, just like he uses 314 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 6: human beings and manipulates human beings. 315 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: Scott McAllister is still a practicing lawyer today. We've reached 316 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: out to him multiple times and he's ignored our request 317 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: for a statement or interview. We're grateful to Linda Parker 318 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: for the courage it took to share her story. 319 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sitting here thirty years later just thinking 320 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 6: about him, and I'm sitting here shaking, and I've tried 321 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 6: so hard to take that control away from him, and 322 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 6: he relishes in the misery that he brings to me people. 323 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 6: He just absolutely relations in it. 324 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: Many believe Scott McCallister has never been properly investigated in 325 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 2: the murder of Michael Frankie. Here's Steve Jackson, the reporter 326 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: who covered the Frankie case as it unfolded for The 327 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: Statesman Journal. 328 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 8: You know, if you looked at my investigation, it's sort 329 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 8: of like a tree. There's a you know, the trunk 330 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 8: of the tree, and that's this is the stuff we know, 331 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 8: and then there are branches from attend. Scott McAllister was 332 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 8: on one of the branches, and that the branch was 333 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 8: that if there was corruption in the prison system, if 334 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 8: there was something that Michael Frankie was about to expose, 335 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 8: if he had some names and that sort of stuff, 336 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 8: that branch helped, you know, Scott McAllister. It held Neil Goldschmidt, 337 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 8: It held a number of. 338 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: People, Dick Peterson, Dave Cully, right, Dick Peterson and Dave 339 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: Cully were Michael Frankie's number two and three in command 340 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: at the Department of Corrections, the two men who claimed 341 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: they did a meticulous search of the Dome building the 342 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: night his body was found. 343 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 8: So you have that branch, and that was a viable 344 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 8: branch to investigate. And there are certainly things about any 345 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 8: and all of that branch, including Scott McAllister and some 346 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 8: of his behavior and some of the things you would 347 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 8: hear from different witnesses, and that would lead you to say, Okay, 348 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 8: this is at least worth investigating and putting to bed 349 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 8: and making sure that we've closed this chapter. 350 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: Here's Phil Stamford's take. 351 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, for me, the big question is why Frank Gables 352 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 9: defense didn't jump all over Linda Parker's statement once they 353 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 9: got it and they had it. It's just like their 354 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 9: failure to get Natividad and Crows into the trial. It 355 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 9: could have made all the difference in the trial to 356 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 9: get that sort of information in. 357 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: But also the botched suicide is a missing piece of 358 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: a puzzle that ties in some other elements that we 359 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: already know. 360 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 9: Yeah, the the McAllister's very puzzling statement here, what's so 361 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 9: important about it is that he says they fucked up. 362 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 7: It was supposed to look like a suicide. Well, what 363 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 7: is he talking about? 364 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 9: It seems to dovetail with other information we have from 365 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 9: the two other Department of Corrections employees who were also 366 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 9: on the outs with Frankie. Dick Peterson, who is the 367 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 9: deputy director, called Kevin the morning of the murder and said, 368 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 9: your brother's been shot. 369 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 7: Well, he wasn't shot, he was stabbed, of course. 370 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 9: And then Collie Dave Cally, another assistant director, who was 371 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 9: with Peterson that night to supposedly search the building, and 372 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 9: said he was afraid to go into Frankie's office because 373 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 9: he'd find him dead. Where did McAllister come up with 374 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 9: the idea that it was supposed to look like a suicide. 375 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 7: That would be a very. 376 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 9: Interesting question for the investigators to have asked him, but 377 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 9: of course they never even interviewed him. 378 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: Do you think it's because it would have hit too 379 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: close to home? 380 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 7: It's certainly what it looks like. 381 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: But even as many in the press were choosing to 382 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: dismiss the possibility of corruption and people like McAllister as 383 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: players in Frankie's murder as conspiracy theory, Phil Stamford refused 384 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: to and was writing incessantly about it. That didn't sit 385 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: well with the politically loyal factions that the paper he 386 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: was working for at the time, The Oregonian, Oh. 387 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 9: Yeah, got into it with the newspaper I was working 388 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 9: for at the time. They attacked me in print while 389 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 9: I was still employed there after the verdict. It was 390 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 9: an unusual experience, let's say, over the years. I mean, 391 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 9: every time we'd bring it up again and take another 392 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 9: run at him, they would come back. The Oregonian had 393 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 9: committed themselves to defending the state's case, which was really 394 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 9: defending the notion, as I say it, that things like 395 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 9: this couldn't have in Oregon. 396 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: And Phil believes it was easier for the Oregonian to 397 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: attack him than accept the possibility that Michael Frankie could 398 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: have been killed by corrupt officials and that an innocent 399 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: man could have been found guilty of that murder by 400 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: a corrupt system. 401 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 9: It was very important to them whether they understood their 402 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 9: unconscious motivation or not, and I think a lot of 403 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 9: it was unconscious. To maintain what someone described to me 404 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 9: once is presumption of regularity, you know, without which life 405 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 9: can become a little bit threatening. If you think for 406 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 9: a minute that you can't trust the people who are 407 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 9: responsible for your health and safety, then things are scary. 408 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 9: If you think start thinking that they are lying to 409 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 9: you and that they're corrupt, that's frightening stuff. 410 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: And it's not that Phil was championing Gable's innocence from 411 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: the start, but he did feel his guilt was certainly 412 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: in question, and that it was the job of journalism 413 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: ask questions. 414 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 9: Most people you know, for I think very good reasons, 415 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 9: don't want to entertain those beliefs. Unfortunately, people in the 416 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 9: news business need to entertain those possibilities anyway, and that's 417 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 9: where I think The Oregonian specifically particularly went so far astray. 418 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 9: I was raising questions because I certainly didn't know the 419 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 9: answers at the beginning. It was years before I knew 420 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 9: enough about the case to be able to say definitively 421 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 9: that this guy is not guilty of anything. 422 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 10: You made up the charges against him. 423 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: Phil found himself increasingly at odds with The Oregonian and 424 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: his co workers there, to the point he eventually had 425 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: no choice to leave. 426 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 9: I'm sure the Frankie case figured into everything that happened, 427 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 9: but Basically, it was just a new editor coming in 428 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 9: who decided that I did not have the proper respect 429 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 9: for power and prestige. And I'm sure she's right, So 430 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 9: as soon as she got there, she started pushing me out, 431 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 9: and I finally had enough and I quit. 432 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: During his seven years at The Oregonian, in addition to 433 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: many successes like his series on the Happy Face Killer, 434 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: Stanford devoted eighty four columns to Frankie's murder and mentioned 435 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: it in seventeen others, totally nearly seventy thousand words. He 436 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: wrote his last column for The Oregonian on April first, 437 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, saying he'd run out of things to say, 438 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: and he took one last parting shot at his editors 439 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: by mentioning Frankie, quote, a lot of people think I'm 440 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: nuts on the subject, I don't unquote. He left the 441 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: paper demoralized and reflective on the path that had brought 442 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: to this point. This wasn't the first time you had 443 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: walked away from a job or found yourself without one. 444 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 7: No. 445 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, if I was there for 446 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 9: seven years, which I think you added up, that's probably 447 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 9: the longest I've held a job in my life. 448 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 7: But yeah, I dropped out of school. 449 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: You didn't just drop out of college, you dropped out 450 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: of Dartmouth. 451 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 7: Yeah. 452 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 9: And I went surfing in Hawaii for a couple of years, 453 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 9: tried school again, didn't like it any better than the 454 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 9: first time. 455 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: And then Phil created his own unique education, one oddly 456 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: well suited to an eventual career exposing corruption. 457 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 9: Joined the Army. When I got out of the Army, 458 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 9: I started writing for magazine. I was in Washington, d C. 459 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 9: Looked for well the Washingtonian Magazine, Washington Post Magazine, Plumbia 460 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 9: Journalism Review, a couple three pieces for the New York 461 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 9: Times magazine. Worked as an aid for a congressman on 462 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 9: the Armed Services Committee, so I'd become sort of a 463 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 9: half assed expert on military matters. I wrote a couple 464 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 9: of pieces on nuclear strategy and weapons technology, worked as 465 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 9: an editor for political magazine in San Francisco, and then 466 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 9: as a columnist for them, and then I dropped out. 467 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 9: I don't know what exactly I was thinking at the time. 468 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 9: I was after an upsetting divorce that might have had 469 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 9: something to do with it. I was looking for something else, 470 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 9: and I found it in Miami. I ended up working 471 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 9: as a private investigator for a detective agency called Intercept, 472 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 9: which I soon discovered was, among other things, up front 473 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 9: for CIA drug running operation. 474 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 7: That's sort of where I got my education of how 475 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 7: it really worked. 476 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 9: Before it was all over, the guy we were working 477 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 9: for got killed, and I ended up back in Washington, 478 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 9: d C. Looking for jobs that were no longer available 479 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 9: because I'd really gotten off the ladder. And it turns 480 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 9: out the only place my my reputation hadn't caught up 481 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 9: with me was Oregon, I guess. 482 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 7: And so I got a. 483 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 9: Job with The Oregonian. 484 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 7: As a reporter, and after about six months they made 485 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 7: me a. 486 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: Columnist, and now Phil was no longer one. Meanwhile, Frank 487 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: Gable was still sitting in prison, and he remained there 488 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: even after his two thousand and one post conviction trial, 489 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: which raised questions regarding his defense attorney, Bob Abel. 490 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 9: One of the big issues in the post conviction trial 491 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 9: was whether Abel had incapacitated himself by drinking too much 492 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 9: at the time, and the judge would simply not allow 493 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 9: any evidence of that. 494 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: At this point, Phil was working again as a private 495 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: detective and writing books on the history of corruption in Oregon, 496 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: but he never stopped digging into the Frankie murder or 497 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: Gable's trial. 498 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 9: After about ten years, I got a complete collection of 499 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 9: all the record on the case. I got him from 500 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 9: Tom McCallum, the chief investigator for the defense, and he'd 501 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 9: had all these boxes. He was lugging around thirty bankers boxes, 502 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 9: and they were in a boat house out in. 503 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 7: The river someplace. 504 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 9: He didn't want him anymore, he said, you want him, yeah, 505 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 9: So I took him and I read them. I read 506 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 9: him twice, and it was clear to me that they 507 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 9: didn't have a case. 508 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 7: They had nothing on him, nothing. It was all made up. 509 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: He also had proof now in the form of official documents. 510 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: Kevin Frankie was telling the truth the entire time. He 511 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: had voiced concerns about corruption, and the records reveal the 512 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: official denial of that. Was more than just an oversight. 513 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 9: But what I also got, you know, from reading these documents, 514 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 9: was finally an understanding of how they had no case 515 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 9: against Gable, nothing nothing. There wasn't something that we didn't understand. 516 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 9: There wasn't something they were holding back. They didn't have 517 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 9: a case. Gable was innocent. 518 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: So it gave you renewed perp. 519 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 9: Yeah, it got me going again. It had seemed so 520 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 9: impossible before. Everything seemed to be against me and Kevin, 521 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 9: and here was proof that they'd been lying about something 522 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 9: that was central to their case. This whole case they 523 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 9: have revealed themselves time and time again by the lies 524 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 9: that they've told. 525 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: Now, armed with evidence that confirmed his suspicions about the 526 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 2: Frankie investigation, Bill was ready to tackle it again. 527 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 9: At the time, I was working at the Tribune and 528 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 9: started writing about the case again. I did a series 529 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 9: on the case. We had more documents, including of course, 530 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 9: the officer's notebooks, to back up what we were saying. 531 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: Then, in the summer of two thousand and four, Frank 532 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: Gable made a remarkable request. He told his attorneys turn 533 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 2: over all the evidence to the brother of the man 534 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: he was convicted of killing. Kevin Frankie received boxes of evidence, 535 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: police reports, and defense investigate interviews. 536 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, and after Kevin got his boxes, as we would 537 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 9: find out, there were some missing pieces that I didn't 538 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 9: find in mind. 539 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: By now, Phil's articles in the Tribune had sparked renewed 540 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: interest into Michael Frankie's murder, and the Willamette Week ran 541 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: an article titled The Murder That Would Not Die. The 542 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: tagline columnist Phil Stamford is obsessed with a decade old 543 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, what if He's right? 544 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 9: The author Nick Budennick did a really pretty good story 545 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 9: on the case, and for the first time, at least 546 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 9: in the Portland media, gave some sort of voice to 547 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 9: the same questions that I'd been raising. And so he 548 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 9: ended his column saying, quoting me, saying, well, if I 549 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 9: were still at the Oregonian, I knew I wouldn't be 550 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 9: writing about this. 551 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 2: And The Oregonian didn't take too kindly. 552 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 9: They had obviously been drawn into a position where they 553 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 9: were defending the official version of the. 554 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: Case, and you were calling them on. 555 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm quite sure that's the way they saw it. Yeah. 556 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 2: And then Kevin unearthed the sworn statement by Linda Parker. 557 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: Now the press knew that her statement was secured five 558 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: months before Frank Gable's trial and was never investigated by 559 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 2: the police or used in Gable's defense. It sparked another 560 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: round of coverage. Here's television reporter Eric Mason. 561 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 7: There was this feeling of. 562 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 11: Vindication that all of our suspicions really was based in 563 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 11: something Linda had a piece of a puzzle, which included 564 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 11: overhearing that the hit on Michael Frankie was supposed to 565 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 11: look a certain way and they had watched the job. 566 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 11: I remember her being frightened. I remember thinking, this is 567 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 11: a woman who really doesn't want to be interviewed and 568 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 11: is reluctant giving away the details, thinking to herself, perhaps 569 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 11: she's doing the right thing, but that she doesn't want 570 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 11: to risk her safety to do it. 571 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: So she was afraid of Stockhouse. 572 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 7: Absolutely. 573 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Frankie murder was making headlines again and placing 574 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 2: scrutiny on a newspaper consistently on board with the state's 575 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: version of Frankie's killing, The Oregonian. 576 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 9: They attacked back, and boyd did they ever. And I 577 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 9: hadn't attacked any of the writers personally, never did never. 578 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 9: They came back and with what they billed as an exhaustive, 579 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 9: be all and all investigator reinvestigation of the case. 580 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: We'll revisit that article later, but let's just say, in 581 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 2: light of what we now know, it's been proven a 582 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: pretty large misstep for the Oregonian. Jim Redden was working 583 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 2: with Phil at the Tribune at the time. 584 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 6: Two reporters at The Oregonian. 585 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 5: Publish what they claim to be the most extensive investigation 586 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 5: into the Michael Frankie murder, and they come to the 587 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 5: conclusion that there's one person responsible and he's in prison already. 588 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: Frank Gable, no question. Then you respond to it. 589 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 7: Right, me and Phil together. 590 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 4: Really, it wasn't just that they were saying he did it, 591 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 4: he's the only person that did it. They're also repeating 592 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 4: once again that there just wasn't the corruption to justify 593 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 4: looking at other things. And we just knew that that 594 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 4: was wrong. 595 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 2: But according to Phil Stanford, that Oregonian article wasn't hard 596 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 2: hitting journalism. It was hitting below the belt. 597 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 9: It was actually just a regurgitation of the States case. 598 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 9: What made it particularly odious at the time and today, 599 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 9: you know, almost fifteen years later, was that they attacked 600 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 9: me and Kevin personally. 601 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 7: I'm in the business. 602 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 10: I write a column. They can attack me. 603 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 9: But they made Kevin out as someone who is so 604 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 9: damaged by grief that he was fantasizing all these conspiracies. 605 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 9: And as I pointed out at the time in my column, 606 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 9: I said that this is breaking new grounds in journalism. 607 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 9: Attacking a family member of a murder victim for raising 608 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 9: questions about his brother's murder. And it is still one 609 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 9: of the most despicable bits of journalism I have ever seen. 610 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 9: And someday they will have to answer for it, or 611 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 9: it will be a curse they live with for the 612 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 9: rest of their corporate existence. 613 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 2: On the next murder in Oregon, a shocking scandal involving 614 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 2: the former governor and how old she. 615 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 6: Said she was thirteen and she was very clear. 616 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: About that, and the troubling way it's handled by Phil's 617 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: former paper, The Oregonian. 618 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 7: It had been depicted in The Oregonian as an affair 619 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 7: when it was rape of a. 620 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 2: Child, as possible ties to Neil Goldschmidt's attitude towards Mike 621 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 2: Frankie's murder investigation. 622 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 7: That wanted to use him or to put another way, 623 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 7: blackmail quit this information. 624 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: Murder and Oregon is hosted by Lauren Bright Pacheco and 625 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: Phil Stanford. 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