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Speaker 1: Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway.

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Speaker 1: What would your welcome to the NFL moment? Well, you like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is definitely different than college.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: It was actually my third game of the year, the

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Speaker 3: third game my rookie year. Okay, and we're playing here,

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Speaker 3: We're playing the Eagles. I took off scrambling and I

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Speaker 3: was coming down this right side and no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I saw the safety coming. I think, okay, well, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna think I'm going out of bounds. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 3: a little figure a little head and nom cut her

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Speaker 3: back inside and he took his foreham and hit me

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Speaker 3: across the head and my helmet came. I said, okay,

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Speaker 3: I got it. I want to do that.

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Speaker 4: Would that the hardest hit you suffered in your career? No?

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Speaker 3: It was against Pittsburgh here again, and I tried to

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Speaker 3: go over a little and I can't remember the players,

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Speaker 3: but but there was. It was a dB, and so

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Speaker 3: I was. I tried to jump over him, and he

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Speaker 3: caught me just right and he got me upside down,

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Speaker 3: and then the safety coming got me right in the

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Speaker 3: back and I actually thought I was dead on that.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't breathe and as you know, when you get

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Speaker 3: the wind knocked out, yes, right, you never get scarce

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Speaker 3: you body. Well, yeah, you're never gonna take another breath

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Speaker 3: in your life, right, you can't get here in or

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Speaker 3: you're center going until you never think. But that's the

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Speaker 3: hardest one. I can't remember the player's names. So it

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Speaker 3: was here and I had tried to jump over to

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Speaker 3: caught me, and then I got hit in the back

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Speaker 3: and beat me backwards.

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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, what what was the worst injury? Because

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Speaker 1: people don't know this, but you played your entire NFL.

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Speaker 3: Career with a n c L right when I did

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Speaker 3: that in high school my senior year in high school.

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Speaker 3: And then my bracelet up start bracing up my second

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Speaker 3: year here when Greek we were in pre season, I

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Speaker 3: was I ran for a first down and I didn't

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Speaker 3: get it and I stomped and my knees shifted. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's when Greek looked at me. He goes, you're

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Speaker 3: wearing a brace the rest of the time. I said, okay,

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Speaker 3: So that put a brace on it, so that really

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Speaker 3: never that was the worst injury. But once I put

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Speaker 3: the brace on it, and I didn't have any problems

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Speaker 3: with it. But after that, I never really had I

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Speaker 3: hurt shoulders, pulled hamstrings and this and that. I think

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Speaker 3: the most games I missed in a row was maybe

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Speaker 3: two or three, so I never then I'd had surgeries,

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Speaker 3: but they were really all.

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Speaker 1: After the seventh season. So did you practice with the brains?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you practiced.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. Later, yeah, yeah, later I did. But then

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Speaker 3: but for the most part, no, I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 3: wear to practice either.

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Speaker 1: I just I was just thinking about that, the the

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Speaker 1: bicep injury.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about that on the on the way

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Speaker 1: up here where you was on the sideline, and I

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Speaker 1: look at you.

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Speaker 4: You bid your.

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Speaker 1: But did the receivers ever tell you? Because I because

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Speaker 1: I remember well I first got here, they were real

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Speaker 1: sting you with the gloves and and people asked me, like,

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Speaker 1: you wore gloves in the game when you warmed up,

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Speaker 1: you caught bare handed? I said, because I caught the

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Speaker 1: ball from John, my rookie year. He split my gloves

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Speaker 1: and they wouldn't give me anymore, so I.

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Speaker 4: Said, I said, so no more. So I just caught

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Speaker 4: the ball bare handed.

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Speaker 1: Uh in warm ups, and then I put the gloves

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Speaker 1: on in the game because but I could tell them

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Speaker 1: out like okay, you know you doing like this, You

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Speaker 1: do a little soft toss and the next day you know,

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Speaker 1: you're like like, bros. There, no, they're no, no, DV

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Speaker 1: they're nobody. You got to fit it into a tight window.

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Speaker 1: Did you realize how hard you were throwing the football?

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Speaker 3: Uh? No, I know, I don't think so. I mean

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Speaker 3: obviously I know, and I you know, the hardest singing

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Speaker 3: to let up on the boat sometimes, right, But you know,

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Speaker 3: I always I threw it hard because it was like

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Speaker 3: the windows were, especially in the NFL, the ones there quicker, right.

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Speaker 3: I always thought, the quicker I get it for them, the.

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Speaker 4: More quicker to you, the more I could do something

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Speaker 3: Protect yourselfing at one and to do something more with

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Speaker 3: the older I got it. You know, I calmed down

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Speaker 3: it's just something naturally the way I threw it then,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I I look at it today too,

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you look at all the quick

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Speaker 3: screens and everything that they're throwing, and how much more

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Speaker 3: never I never worked on no, just because we didn't

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Speaker 3: throw those balls right. And if we had, I think

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Speaker 3: I'd have been a lot quick you know, a lot

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Speaker 3: have become a better thrower if we were throwing those.

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Speaker 4: But nobody was throwing those.

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Speaker 3: We weren't throwing those right. We throw a hit maybe

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Speaker 3: five hours, six yards or I can't remember what we

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So but other than that we didn't have, you know,

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Speaker 1: So when when you threw that ball on the drive

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Speaker 1: to Ricky that do you think that's the hardest?

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Speaker 1: Not Ricky, that was Mark Jackson. Do you think that's

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Speaker 1: the hardest you've ever throw throwing the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that was like because the thing is,

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Speaker 3: planning on hitting the shoot run right and I saw

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Speaker 3: I can't. It's always hard when you're looking left. It's

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Speaker 3: And Mark was coming this way right, so I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, it's third down, the last or

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Speaker 3: I'm throwing this.

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Speaker 4: You throw it hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm throwing as hard as I can because if Mark

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Speaker 1: Nobody catch it. Right, But it was low because he

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Speaker 1: that's the thing because if you down there, if you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and the thing is, I mean

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Speaker 3: the D lineman, I mean I missed the D lion's

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Speaker 3: know this in football in this inches right, I mean

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Speaker 3: even on the third and seventeen to Mark Jackson, we

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Speaker 3: put I put Steve Watson in motion and it hits you.

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Speaker 4: The ball hit him on the hill, hit him on

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Speaker 3: And if he's he's another inch back, that ball is

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Speaker 3: going straight down, right. So you know, look, especially looking back,

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Speaker 3: those little things that happened games that are so important,

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Speaker 4: Did you have a favorite play?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, not that I can remember. You know,

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Speaker 3: the one thing I liked, I like always like running

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Speaker 3: the quarterback draw.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you go back, you go back, and

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Speaker 1: you think they go, you go, You're gonna pass the

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Speaker 3: The yeah, you know. And it was a design quarterback draw.

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Speaker 3: So that was that was always. I always enjoyed doing that.

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Speaker 3: But in the past plays it's hard for me to

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Speaker 3: I know, I always I was superstitious. We already ran.

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Speaker 3: We always ran twenty two z in first play of

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Speaker 3: warm ups. Yeah right, we got you got the short

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Speaker 3: cross wid Yeah, but that was that was the first

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Speaker 3: play my whole career. Yeah, when my when Mike got

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Speaker 4: You got zen, you run, stick you run basically, did

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Speaker 4: you run a flank or drive.

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Speaker 3: You exactly.

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Speaker 1: When we I think it was was it Seattle that

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Speaker 1: supposed to run returns. So we go down three steps

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Speaker 1: in and didn't return. And I remember you like, well, well, Mike,

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Speaker 1: what happens if they don't play this cover? You like

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time they played this cover?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, that's that's Green Bay. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well that's on the third and sixth yes, right when

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Speaker 3: they call it the helicoptery.

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Speaker 3: So it's like I remember telling you, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: and we ran it three times practice and you got it.

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Speaker 3: I called it, yeah, And I was like, it was

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Speaker 3: like I didn't. I still didn't like it, even though

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Speaker 3: something I didn't like about it, and I kept telling

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Speaker 3: just it wasn't open enough for me to feel comfortable

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Speaker 3: with it. And so that's why I went to Mike

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Speaker 3: and I said, Mike, I really don't like this planning.

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Speaker 3: It goes John, that's and I said, like you said,

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Speaker 3: what if we don't get this coverage, John, it's one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent this formation, this coverage, we'll get this carriage.

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Speaker 3: It'll be one hundred percent of the time. I said,

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Speaker 3: all right. And so then somebody's still like him, like.

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Speaker 4: He called it.

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Speaker 3: And so it's third and six, and here it comes.

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Speaker 3: It's Uh, I'm gonna remember the name. I can't remember

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Speaker 3: the name. Now here it comes, I'm like, okay, sure

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Speaker 3: enough with it.

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Speaker 4: Prior they I think it was Eugene Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Uh, but they brought a different They brought another safety end,

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Speaker 1: a white guy. What I forget his name. I think

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Speaker 1: he was an Indy at one point in time. I

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Speaker 1: think it was probably Yeah, because he because you knew

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Speaker 1: if you slide, they're gonna mark you where you start

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Speaker 1: around and you got you You're like, I'm okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 4: We all believed that they did.

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Speaker 1: Was it the drive that gave you the confidence that, like,

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Speaker 1: Well that the first time, because you seem to have

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Speaker 4: Joe hitsimy. Yeah, but that was that was a lot

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Speaker 3: we were four and seven my junior year pretty good,

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you believe it? I mean, when you

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Speaker 3: Without I mean, I'm sitting on the side, you know,

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Speaker 4: Right right?

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Speaker 4: You know, he ran on the tuba player. I'll be

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Speaker 4: illegal lateral visions.

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Speaker 3: I think it was down twice, but it was like

440
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Speaker 3: you know that falls on deaf here didn't matter, And

441
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720
Speaker 3: I saw it every I saw it every Thanksgiving for

442
00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 3: the last forty two forty years, so I can laugh

443
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Speaker 3: about it.

444
00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 1: Now you come out. You're the universal regarded number one

445
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,160
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. The Colts hold that now, if

446
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. Your favorite player growing up was Burt Jones.

447
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them actually was. Well Starbuck was number one.

448
00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,119
Speaker 4: He wore number seven.

449
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 1: Did you have an Inkland did you get did you

450
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240
Speaker 1: have an intuition that they were going to leave Baltimore?

451
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 4: What was it about Baltimore that you didn't want to play?

452
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,480
Speaker 3: You know, it was it was more the owners. It

453
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,000
Speaker 3: was more of the group, right, And the thing is

454
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 3: I had played baseball for the Yankees that the summer before,

455
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,719
Speaker 3: and so I had I had we had some leverage

456
00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,080
Speaker 3: and so and really my dad was helping me and

457
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,040
Speaker 3: Marvin dem Off, you know, the agent. So the bottom

458
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 3: line is to use the leverage to try to get

459
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Speaker 3: to an organization. It didn't matter where it was, just

460
00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,439
Speaker 3: to get to an organization where we felt like I

461
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 3: had a chance to win. Baltimore was not that, you know,

462
00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,960
Speaker 3: the ownership of the organization was not in good shape, right,

463
00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,880
Speaker 3: it hadn't been been you know, so we knew nothing

464
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Speaker 3: about them even moving thinking about moving next year. And

465
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Speaker 3: so it was really a you know, the leverage with

466
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Speaker 3: baseball to say, listen, try to get to a place

467
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,439
Speaker 3: that feel like you have a chance. And you know,

468
00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,159
Speaker 3: you know what we tried to do instead of bashing

469
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,119
Speaker 3: Baltimore saying we're not going there because the owner their

470
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 3: ownership group and it's a bad organization. We don't want

471
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 3: to play for them, we tried to make up other

472
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 3: excuses to try to keep it friendly with and not

473
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 3: make them their organization look bad, but ended up coming

474
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,720
Speaker 3: back and haunt me and Terry saying, well, you stay

475
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: in California and but we had the leverage and the

476
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 3: plan was to try to get moved. If it didn't,

477
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 3: if they didn't trade the pick, then I was gonna

478
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 3: play baseball for a year, and then my name would

479
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 3: have gone back in the draft pong year. So that

480
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 3: was kind of the I was not gonna once I

481
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,000
Speaker 3: made my mind.

482
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 4: I was not going to Bay.

483
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty st Baltimore To think it was about the city,

484
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 3: it was I'd never been to the city, and it

485
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 3: was not about the city. It was about the organization

486
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 3: and have a chance to win, right.

487
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 1: So that was a conversation. So when did you come

488
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,679
Speaker 1: to that conclusion, whether you or your dad? Did you

489
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 1: always know that you didn't you weren't going to play

490
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 1: for Baltimore or was it the process of sitting down

491
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 1: and talking with your dad and Marvin's like, Okay, what's

492
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: our strategy here? I don't want I'm not gonna play

493
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: there where else? Is there a possibility that I could

494
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 1: possibly play?

495
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think it was more that Marvin knew

496
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 3: the organization. My dad knew the organization. He knew of

497
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,400
Speaker 3: Frank Cush and the coaching who was because Frank Couch

498
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: was at Arizona State when I came out of high school, right,

499
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to take a trip there because

500
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 3: I knew his style nothing. And you know, he was

501
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 3: a good football coach, just not my style. His style

502
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 3: was didn't click. So my dad wasn't necessarily high on

503
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: him either, right, So really it was Marvin and my

504
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: dad because I didn't know anything about what organization is good.

505
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 3: I knew who had good records, but I didn't know

506
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: organizationally which one was best. And so they were the one.

507
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 3: Especially Marvin knew, you know, organizationally, where where would be

508
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 3: good landing spots for me? And so you know, Seattle

509
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 3: was in it, The Chargers were in it. New England

510
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 3: was in it. Let's see who else, Cowboys a little bit,

511
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, and so I think Danny White was there,

512
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: you know. And then the one that got brought up

513
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: was San Francisco. And it's like, Joe Montana's in.

514
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Speaker 4: San fran San Francisco.

515
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 3: Right, I'm like, no, I am not going to go,

516
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 3: you know, because evidently, well she said something, and I'm like,

517
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 3: there is no way I'm going with Joe Montana. There's

518
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 3: no way I'm going to San Francisco. I'm not going

519
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 3: to jump into that. So so then the Denver was

520
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 3: in it. And then Denver kind of backed out because

521
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 3: because Marvin had talked to Denver and they knew my

522
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 3: contract demands, which was a five year deal for five

523
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 3: million dollars, and they said, well, no football players worth that.

524
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: So Denver kind of fell out of the picture at

525
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: the draft, and so we'd never really think about it,

526
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: really thinking about San Diego who had three first round

527
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 3: picks right so, and I wouldn't mind going. You know,

528
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: Don Corio was down there, so a corper air correole,

529
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 3: so it was a good place to go. But ultimately

530
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: they couldn't come to get a deal done. But we

531
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 3: also think that I think it was Gene Klein that

532
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: was the owner at the time, was using that because

533
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 3: Fouts as a free agent, so I think they were

534
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: using me to draft me to make Fouts get to

535
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: get Fouts to sign and so and then after the draft,

536
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: my dad, I don't I don't think you ever met

537
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 3: did you meet Franz Polsfoot with Roncos anyway, a good

538
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: friend of my dad that worked for the Broncos in

539
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: the Scounty department of the Broncos, And that kind of got rejuvenated.

540
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: Then two weeks later that's how I got drafted. They

541
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: traded to Denver.

542
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 4: Come to Denver. You had you ever been to Denver? Nod?

543
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Did players take trips like they do? Not like the

544
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: pro guys that particularly first round trips do they take?

545
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: Do they take busits like they do?

546
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 4: Now?

547
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: I never did so No, I never took any trips

548
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: before the draft or anything like that. You know, I

549
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 3: in the combine. There was not one combine back there

550
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: used to be regional, used to have four Denver teams

551
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: to get together, right, so certain teams is being that one,

552
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: certain teams being that one, certain teams being that one.

553
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 3: So and I didn't go down any of the combines.

554
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: I didn't think I needed to go to the combines,

555
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: So I didn't.

556
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: So you like, hey see hey he been doing Hey

557
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: he was the first one to do it. Now, I

558
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: ain't throwing, I ain't running, I ain't doing nothing. I'm

559
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna be the first pig. Y'all know it. Look at the.

560
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: Tape, right right? What else you gonna find out? Right?

561
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: So when also you get a situation where Eli Manning,

562
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: he comes out and he doesn't if he doesn't want

563
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: to play for the charges.

564
00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 4: I don't know.

565
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: It's because he don't want to be in the AFC

566
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: with Peyton because Peyton's already in the ALC. How to

567
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: move and maneuver that and get to uh to get

568
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the ending. Did they come? Did they talk to you?

569
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Did Archie or any of them reach out to you? Now?

570
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: No, we never really talked to him, so yeah, because

571
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 3: I was that was like that had to be two

572
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: thousand and four, two thousand and four. Yeah, No, I

573
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: never talked to him about it. So yeah, never talked

574
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: to him.

575
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: And you see your door And how hard is it

576
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: for a play? I think it's probably harder for Prime

577
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: for time because he's a current coach right now. Your

578
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: dad's retired Archie Archie had been retired for so long,

579
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: and so it's different to have a your dad is

580
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: an actual coach now as opposed to your dad being

581
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: retired and Archie had been retired from the league. To

582
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: have a son that's playing and trying to help him

583
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: navigate that path, yeah.

584
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's tougher than my dad had

585
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: because obviously my dad wasn't in there, and obviously everybody

586
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 3: you know knew, uh. Dianna what a great player he

587
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: was in his day. And so you know, that was

588
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: just a unique situation with with Shad or in the fact,

589
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: because it was, you know, a great player at CU,

590
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 3: did a hell of a job up there. Now somehow

591
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: it didn't fit somewhere right somehow, whether it be in

592
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: the you know, because the last thing you want in

593
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: the NFL is your backup quarterback to being the doing

594
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: all the media right right, And so I I do

595
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 3: think that that probably scared some organizations off saying, hey, listen,

596
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: we can't have the backup because you know and Dion

597
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: have gotten you know, they both got up there. So

598
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: whether they you know, whether that's the issue or whatnot,

599
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: or you know, I didn't. I did not study him,

600
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: So I don't know, you know, how good a quarterback

601
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: he is. I think he's a good solid backup for sure,

602
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: and I think he's got to learn and uh, but

603
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: you know, in the NFL, it's like you got to

604
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: get rid of football. You got to get rid of football,

605
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: and making up for sacks.

606
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: Is you know, is hard. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's instantaneous.

607
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: You got a process. And I think he does a

608
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: great job. I don't think you have the best off

609
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: his line. I've watched it.

610
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I said, I haven't had a chance

611
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: to watch a lot of should I saw a couple

612
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: of times play up in sixty you you and thought

613
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: he was hell of an I think made some great

614
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: plays and great throws.

615
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: And so you mentioned that when you came out and

616
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: this all of a sudden, you're like, I'm not going

617
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: to Baltimore and Terry brashall being with these old guards

618
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: that look, whoever draft you, that's where you go. That's

619
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: how they that's how they look at it. You don't complain.

620
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: You're about to make more money than you ever thought

621
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: you'd make in your life. And hearing this kid he

622
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: had done nothing in the NFL and he's trying to

623
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: call the shots. Yeah, and he was just ripping. You

624
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: left it right. And then when he came to sit

625
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: down and interview you, they wouldn't even tell it. They

626
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell the fans wouldn't tell it about well, we're

627
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: not helping you. You brashed our quarterback get lost, which

628
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: he was lost because he needed to know where to go.

629
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: So, but did you have an opportunity to talk to Terry?

630
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 4: Did you? Guys?

631
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: Because at the end of your last Super Bowl, he

632
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: was on stage and handed you the trophy. So was

633
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: there any between that time eighty three and ninety nine,

634
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: was there any chance that you guys had a chance

635
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: to have a conversation.

636
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't recall one, you know, I since then, since

637
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: I retired and later on, I have and run around

638
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: Terry a little bit. I like Terry, right, but but

639
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, and I think that he didn't make he

640
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: didn't make it easier on me, right, He made it

641
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: you know, kind of rallied supported on the other side

642
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: of Da Da Da dah. He was kind of the

643
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: lead anti Oway guy that said, Okay, you're a you know,

644
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: spoiled blonde kid or you know, surfer boy from Yeah,

645
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 3: go back to California, California. Then we thinks he's going

646
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: to come in and dictate to the NFL and then

647
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: go you know, he said, go play baseball, and so

648
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: you know that's the only reason. You know, he didn't

649
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: make things. He made things tougher for me, which you know,

650
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: he added added incentive, and so it was nice for

651
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: him to be able to give me the trophy.

652
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 4: In the last.

653
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you played the Yankee. They drafted you

654
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: You got drafted before twenty Guen, right.

655
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was, Actually I got I got drafted

656
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: before Don Manningly. Yeah. Dan Donald was the fourth round

657
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 3: my same year with the Yankees. I think he was

658
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: the third or fourth pick. I was. I was their

659
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: first pick, first pick in the second round, and so

660
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: I was shocked too, right, because they knew that chance

661
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 3: I was going to play baseball, I mean football, and

662
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 3: so I was. I was kind of shocked that they

663
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: drafted me that high. And it actually it worked out great.

664
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: Gary Hughes, who's the scout was, you know, the rest

665
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: of the soul was became a dear friend and you know,

666
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: playing bass. And then I went played baseball between my

667
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: junior and senior year and actually, you know, enjoyed it. Now.

668
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: It was different because you playing baseball every single day

669
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: gave me new appreciation for those Major League Baseball players

670
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: that have to play baseball every day in and day out,

671
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: and that is an absolute grind right to be ready

672
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: to go. So but you know, I had a I

673
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: got off to a slow start, but I ended up

674
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: having a pretty good year. But you know, ultimately I

675
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: wanted to play football because I like playing the quarterback position.

676
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: I think it's it's the best, but but it's the

677
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: most gratifying too. I think that if you know, you

678
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: can survive it. Yeah and so but yeah.

679
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: What about one hundred and fifty k. That didn't hurt?

680
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: No?

681
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: Dd no, no, that that did not hurt.

682
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: I forgot told.

683
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: But I will say this. It also helped me in

684
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: school because when I was my first two years, I

685
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: was playing both and then then we'd go to spring ball.

686
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: And when we were in spring ball, I played baseball

687
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: games on Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and I'd go to

688
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: spring practice on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday morning. I'd

689
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: go from football practices, go right to the locker room, right,

690
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: take my football gear on, put my baseball gear on,

691
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: and go play baseball. Wow. So that was a lot. Yeah,

692
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: it became too much. And so the one hundred and

693
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: fifty K was really good. But also it allowed me to,

694
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: you know, spend a little more time on studies and

695
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: kind of enjoy the college life. To word that spring,

696
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: I the last two springs, you know, I had a

697
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: chance to have some fun at school.

698
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: What uh, what did you buy? Did you buy a card?

699
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: Did you buy anything.

700
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: I bought it too, eighty z X black and gold

701
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: and tops T top absolutely. So it's funny. So I

702
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: got a great story. So I lived in the Dellhouse

703
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: and it's called the Dellhouse. It's three stories at Stanford

704
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: and there's all a lot of football players athletes, and

705
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: so we have this parking lot and up tops of deck.

706
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: And so I gone down and bought this random It

707
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: is shiny, shining, and I'm driving it in. And when

708
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm driving in, I see these dudes up on top

709
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: of the deck up there right.

710
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: They go go good.

711
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: So there's one parking spot right below them, and they're

712
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: on the third floor right. So I'm full in there

713
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: and I'm looking. I start looking up at them. All

714
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: of a sudden I see it. All three of them

715
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: lifted something. They got this water balloon that is like

716
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: this bit right, I mean, it's huge. It's all of

717
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: a sudden I see it. It was stree Lineman two.

718
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: And so they sit there and they throw it over

719
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: the top. I see it coming down. I'm like, ah,

720
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: it hits my windshield, shatters.

721
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: It on my brand.

722
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: Wow, just shattered tamates my teammates and it just shatters it.

723
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: So and I went to look at them. They had

724
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: all gone. I went into the house and try to

725
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: fight them. They're all height right. But yeah, so that's

726
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: the one thing about the two eighties, I said, first

727
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: day of driving home. They shadow the wind chilled on me.

728
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Who's giving you mout rushmore of baseball or baseball players

729
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: that played in the NFL that played baseball. You got

730
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Dion bowl yourself. Mahone, boy, Brady was drafted I think

731
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: as a catcher to expos Russell, Kyler, Murray and cap.

732
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: Well for sure, the two that really had accomplished her

733
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: bow and and Dion those are the only you.

734
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Know actually played MLB. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if

735
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: you remember Brian Jordan. He ended up leaving football. He

736
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: was a safety for the foul because he ended up

737
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: leaving go and play for the Braves and the Cardinals.

738
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Okay, then he's got to be yet. But yeah, I

739
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: would say those you know, Johnny Lynch played baseball.

740
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: Two. Oh yeah, that's right.

741
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnny Lynch played baseball also.

742
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: So Kyler was the eighth pick in the draft. So

743
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: but yeah he didn't we don't know what he were.

744
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 3: Well, you know what else Wilson Russell Russell did I know, yeah, okay, yeah,

745
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: but he was the second basement. I'm not sure. Okay,

746
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

747
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: But wild baseball players so good at football?

748
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: You mean football players better at good at baseball.

749
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about that.

750
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: I think I think even transition to baseball to football,

751
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: as to football to baseball.

752
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: Well, I don't how many transitions you seen from baseball.

753
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: To football, baseball to football.

754
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: I don't think there's been a lot of transitions from

755
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: baseball and football. I think I think here's what I think.

756
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I think there's football players that go to baseball because

757
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: baseball it's all about the hitting, right, So sure, especially

758
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: if you're an outfielder, which I think all those you know,

759
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: we're all most of us were as outfillers. So really

760
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: the only time you spend is that really in baseball,

761
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: you're hitting it. So if you can hit, then chances

762
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: are you going to be able to play the outfield,

763
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: especially you can run like those like Bo and Dion

764
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: and those type things, They're gonna be able to play

765
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: the outfield. Whereas there's so much more involved in the

766
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: football side. Practice time, you can practice more by yourself

767
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: and just take get them pitching machines and hit balls

768
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: right and then take them out field. So I think

769
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot more practicaball and football than there is baseball.

770
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: That's why I think you see the transition or football

771
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: to baseball rather than baseball or football.

772
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Probably probably definitely helped my homes in his footwork the

773
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: arm angles, because as an infielder, you have to chuge,

774
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're over the top, sometimes you three

775
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: quarter slide.

776
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: And I think that's.

777
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: Definitely And plus his dad was a baseball player.

778
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, so I asked time time say the

779
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: hardest thing to do in sports is hit the baseball?

780
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that the hardest thing to do?

781
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt, especially with these guys throwing today.

782
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: They throwing a hundred and throw the slide.

783
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: I mean you're looking at you know, we watched on TV.

784
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: That'd be easy. Have you ever stood in front of

785
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: one hundred miles an hour fastball? I can't imagine that

786
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: would absolutely scaredly, absolutely it would. Oh my god.

787
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: It was like he threw one hundred and then come

788
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: back with a curve.

789
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: It's over right, Oh yeah, especially when that curve is

790
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: coming out of your head and then breaks to the

791
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: middle of the to the middle of the play. Yeah,

792
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no question. Especially he is as good

793
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: as these guys have gotten in all the different pictures.

794
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: I can't imagine sinkers. I mean I used to see sliders, curveballs,

795
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: change ups, fastballs. Now they're sinkers. And they got fastballs,

796
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: they got the door seam four and all the different pitches. Guys,

797
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: it's like and it's coming at you at ninety five, right,

798
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's like.

799
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: So now do you have because think about it, Bow

800
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and time was playing football really not getting a whole

801
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of batting practice and the goal and he go

802
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: catch a flight and go play baseball bow with you know,

803
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: he would play after the season was over and we

804
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: got I remember that was my rookie year when Bow

805
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: came and they talked in the ball and he ran

806
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: over Ronnie Halliburton and ran fifty yard four touchdown.

807
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: He read fifty yard four touchdown?

808
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 2: Is that?

809
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 3: Well that's the other thing too, right, say, look at

810
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: a running back. He can run, you know, he can run, yeah, right,

811
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: and he can catch because he's a good athlete, right right,

812
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: And so the running back doesn't necessarily have to be

813
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: as integrated as a wide out or a quarterback, right,

814
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: you know, same way with Dian at corner, Yes, right.

815
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Because he's covering the guy. He didn't even coming to

816
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: the whole. He don't even care what the coverage you

817
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: He don't even cover what the deefense is called.

818
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: Right, he got that guy? Right?

819
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: So, I think the positions they do also play to

820
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: help them be able to spend a little more time

821
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: at baseball. Okay, what they.

822
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: Did show, Hey, have you ever seen anything like.

823
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: No, No, not even close. I don't think there's anything

824
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: close to.

825
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: What I mean he's on.

826
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: He's on a Barry Bonds trajectory to be able to

827
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: strike out ten and then hit three home.

828
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: I mean that's crazy, right, Oh yeah, I mean Barry

829
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: Bond's hitting. I mean he's as good a hit as

830
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: Barry right now?

831
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: You think so?

832
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: I do? I just think now Barry, whether he is

833
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: as good right now? Obviously he's playing later, so there's

834
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: more pitches to right, and plus these guys only go

835
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: five innings, right, right, Yeah, And I'm not trying to

836
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: I think Barry Bond is as good as it was also, right,

837
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: But when you look at the total package of show. Hey,

838
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: as far as now, Barry didn't pitch no, right, right,

839
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: the mindset you have to have a pitch and be

840
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: able to pitch and do the stuff that he does.

841
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't think we've ever seen anybody

842
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: like him. Now, we had the same discussion too. Okay,

843
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: look at what Babe Ruth did back in the twenties

844
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: and thirties, right, and now he was that far above

845
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: everybody of those players at that time. He was probably

846
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: had that separation to whereas and you know he Tawani

847
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: has that separation now. But the big question is okay

848
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: with separation from what but I you know, it's still

849
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: the big separation. You know, to sort of compare Babe

850
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: Ruth because Babe Ruth pitch. Compare those two is you know,

851
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: they're the two best play baseball players to play the

852
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: game when it comes down to separation at the time

853
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: that they play. Now, who's better between those two?

854
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Sho Hayes won three consecutive MVPs.

855
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean he is a four time MVP, he's a

856
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: two time and that performance that he had in the

857
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: visional round of the playoffs, where he pitched, struck out

858
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: ten and then he hit those three home runs.

859
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: I don't know who we'll ever see that again.

860
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: No, no, I agree, but unbelievable.

861
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: I think because if you go back and look at it, John,

862
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: there were guys that are that pitched in college that

863
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: were tremendous hitters, but they wouldn't allow them to do

864
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: both in the MLB and show hey people like, look,

865
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: if he can't do both, he's not coming.

866
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: To your team.

867
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, because there are a lot of pictures

868
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: that hit four hundred hit middle fours, but they had

869
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: to choose.

870
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: They're like, Okay, you're gonna pitch, right.

871
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: Which seems funny. Yeah, they don't spend that much time

872
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: throwing the ball. They should have plenty of time. You

873
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: should be on the mound, not long. So but yeah,

874
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: what do.

875
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: You think you know?

876
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: And I think what changed that too is the DH.

877
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: Yes, because they got in both leagues now right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

878
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: They had to. That was so unfair that the picture

879
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: because he was the easy out. Yeah, I got you.

880
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: Then they go to the World Series in the National

881
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: League hitters or the yeah, the National League hitters pictures

882
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: or the American League pitchers have to hit.

883
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, just get me out of here.

884
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: When you look at the draft class, the eighty three

885
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: class you got you, you got Kelly, you got Marino,

886
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: and the four you got Eli, you got Ben, you

887
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: got Philip Rivers and uh twenty twenty you got Joe Burrow,

888
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: you got Hers, you got Jake. Is your draft class

889
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: the best quarterback draft class?

890
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: Well, time will tell, you know, I think we got

891
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: what we have three Hall of famers.

892
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: You got three, You got three Hall of famers.

893
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: And then what was the next year you said Eli

894
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: or No. Four?

895
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Eli won too Super Bowl? Ben won to Super Bowl.

896
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Phillips unfortunately didn't get there. And then in twenty twenty

897
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Burrow's being hurts has been twice in one and Jordan

898
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Love has yet to get there.

899
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, time will tell. I think, uh, now, old

900
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: four class is pretty good, right, Yeah, when you're talking

901
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: about Super Yeah, with Eli and Ben in film, you're

902
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: talking about Super Bowls. Now, you know Ben was probably

903
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: Ben's definitely the top of that group, right. Yeah. But

904
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: if you're talking about eighty three and look at what

905
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: Danny did, even though Danny didn't get there, you look

906
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: about you look at what he did in the passing

907
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: game in those years. He threw for five yards in

908
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four.

909
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, forty eight touchdown. That is the great that I

910
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says. That is the greatest passing

911
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: season ever, considering what the rules work and how they

912
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: attacked the quarterback. Forty eight touchdowns, five thousand yards back

913
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: then it was like six thousand today today's game.

914
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And so I mean, and then you look at it,

915
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: you know, with jim didn't going to four straights, four Street.

916
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: You know, they couldn't get over the hump.

917
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: Yep.

918
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: That's the hell of an accomplishment. So you know, and

919
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: plus I'm biased, I think you know, so I'm gonna

920
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: say eighty three right now, but.

921
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: You never know.

922
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: Time will tell. But you know, you're looking, you know,

923
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: myself as well as Jimmy, what Jimmy did and what

924
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: Danny did, you know, because Danny went there in the

925
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: second year.

926
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: Yep, right, so he got he got Joe. Yeah, they

927
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: got Joe, and they were and they were at the

928
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: peak of their powers. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they had

929
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: think about they had Jerry, they had JT, they had Roger.

930
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, their defense was unbelievable.

931
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: I mean, That's that's the thing about San Francisco. Their

932
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: defense never.

933
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: Never got the credit because they had those stars.

934
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: Off the stars offensively and Bill you know, and Bill

935
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: wash was the offensive coach and offensive coordinator, so you know,

936
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 3: but they never they Yeah, they were the unsung heroes.

937
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: They were always that good on defense too.

938
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: We get this and I don't know what it happened

939
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the uh you know, you get Joe and you get

940
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Tom and mahomes get sprinkled in there. How do you

941
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: determine the greatness of a quarterback? Does he have to

942
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: have stats? Does he have to have MVPs? Does he

943
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: have to have Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVPs? What

944
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: are the determining factor? Because clearly Tom with seven and

945
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: five MVPs and all the passing yards, all the touchdowns,

946
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: Joe is four and oh he never lost two come

947
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: from behind against Cincinnati both times they beat He beat

948
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: Ken Adison eighty one and he beat Boomer and what

949
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: was that eighty eight?

950
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I that's the thing here is that

951
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: it's okay, what is the what's the criteria? Right? That's

952
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: the question to ask. But I think it's it's still

953
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: hard to say, you know, with Tom when in seven, right,

954
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: I mean that's hard to beat that.

955
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

956
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: Do you think somebody gonna beat that number?

958
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: No? No, No, I don't think so.

959
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: You know, you know, I be crazy. I mean thinking

960
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: about it.

961
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: He went to ten, right, right, went to you went

962
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: to ten super Bowls?

963
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and you want yeah, and I think

964
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: you know, you know it's that's the Tom too. But

965
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: you know, I think Bill Belichick was that good too

966
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: as that combination. Yes, right, yes, I mean you look

967
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: at it, and I made this comment it's you look

968
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: at the league today and it's a head coach and

969
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: the quarterback, right, and who who have the great head

970
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: coach and the great quarterback? Those are the teams that

971
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: and now there's a lot of young good quarterbacks quarterback

972
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: and a lot of good young head.

973
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 4: Coaches that are coming up, right. I love Ben Johnson.

974
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, to see how that how all that plays out

975
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of young good but you know,

976
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: to be good in the NFL, you gotta have you

977
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: gotta have the head coach and you have to have

978
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback quarterback. And once you have those then and

979
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: now you have a chance every year. Right, If you

980
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: don't have that then it's it's a battle.

981
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: If somebody would have told me that you would want

982
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: to be after your playing career, you want to be

983
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: a GM, and you'd want to select players and you

984
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: want to build a team, probably wouldn't have believed it.

985
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: What went into that thought process of you becoming the GM,

986
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: becoming in the executive VP, and you building a team

987
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: and eventually building a team that ends up getting to

988
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: and winning a Super Bowl.

989
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: You know, I knew I didn't want to coach, right.

990
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: You know, my dad was a coach and so and

991
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: I knew how much time that he spent at the

992
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: office when I was young. And then we know, having played,

993
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: how how much those coaches, how much time is spent

994
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: because they spend it with us most of the time

995
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 3: when we're there, and then they have spend that much

996
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: time when we're not there preparing for when we.

997
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Are getting off to play. They don't even go home

998
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: on Sunday. They get home and go straight upstairs and

999
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: start breaking down film for the week.

1000
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: Right, So I knew I didn't want to coach, right,

1001
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: And plus I'm not sure I'll got a coach. I

1002
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: could have been as we talked earlier, because I I

1003
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: don't know why he did something like that, right, right,

1004
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, you can teach coverage and all those type

1005
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: of things, but you can't teach the instinct stuff, right,

1006
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: which is the difference between good and great players, right,

1007
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: is the instincts. And so but then I also knew

1008
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to get back in football, and you know,

1009
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: so in the GM to where you know, could pick

1010
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: the coach, let the coach do his work, and then

1011
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: be a part of the personnel and done it, you know,

1012
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: and collaborate with with the staff, the head coach and

1013
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: those type of things to put the best players with

1014
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: fits would want to do the best, And so that's why.

1015
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: And plus I didn't have to spend as much time,

1016
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: and I wanted to have some more free time because

1017
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: we spent so much time. We're playing, you have a

1018
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: lot of free time either.

1019
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's a quarterback used to I remember you

1020
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: taking the uh we didn't have the iPads, and you

1021
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: taking a laundry basket with all those tapes, these beta

1022
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: tapes in there, throwing them over your shoulder like you

1023
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: like you were the hobo and going home. So I

1024
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: just imagine like as a coach, people don't realize how

1025
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: much film coaches watched, right, Yeah, I don't think they

1026
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: have any idea, right.

1027
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: You know. And it's it's getting better now because they

1028
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: got you know, it's so much easier with the computers

1029
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: and the tape and how they cut it up and all. Yeah.

1030
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: They used to have toner and cutting it.

1031
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: You had to cut They had to yeah, individually had

1032
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: to cut them. Now they break it down for all

1033
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: first and team, all second and five all.

1034
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they can actually spend more time on game

1035
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: planning and seeing what they're doing right and cutting those

1036
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: tapes up. But yeah, because I still want to be

1037
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: in football. I want to be a part of it.

1038
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: I want to use what i'd learned in it, what

1039
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 3: I saw and winning teams what i'd seen and losing

1040
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: teams what I thought was important. And so that's why

1041
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 3: I decided to come back and do that, and I'm

1042
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: glad I did. It was a great experience.

1043
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: But drafting players, how does you know? I talked to

1044
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: Ozzie all the time. And Ozzie, I mean his first

1045
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: two draft picks a top one hundred players, Ray Lewis,

1046
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: Johnathan Dogda. Then he drafts Suggs and then he gets

1047
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: ed Reid and I was like, bro, how do you

1048
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: he said, I just believe what I see.

1049
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 4: I believe in my eyes. Tell me the tape. Yeah,

1050
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: he says.

1051
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: Look, I want the guy that I watch on tape,

1052
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: if he comes to the combine and he runs fast,

1053
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: he jumps out like, yeah he's supposed to if I

1054
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: can see why he did X, Y and Z. But

1055
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: sometimes guys are just football players, he said Suggs.

1056
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: I was like, he said, Suggs. I saw Suggs on the.

1057
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: Track on the track on that and a track track

1058
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: with track spikes and tights with no shirt on run

1059
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: four eight.

1060
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: But somebody got twenty three sacks, right, that's all I know.

1061
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: He can bend to edge and he ain't got to

1062
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: run forty are just act the quarterback?

1063
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1064
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how what was your process of breaking out

1065
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: a player like, Okay, this is a player that we

1066
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: would like to have in this organization.

1067
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, they you know, Ozzy was one

1068
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: of the best to do it, yes, right, and he

1069
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: did have he had instincts when it came down to players, right,

1070
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: and and you know, trying to learn from him and

1071
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: what he did, you know, and he's also he picked.

1072
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't go for the guys from the

1073
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: lower schools that had no names. He went sec he

1074
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: went big ten. Yes, he went guys that were proving solid, physical,

1075
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: big guys. You know. That was kind of you know,

1076
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: Ozsie style and it worked right, and so you know,

1077
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: for me, I had to learn that right and and

1078
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: kind of learn a style right. It was trying to

1079
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: find and to me there was you know, we had

1080
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: a great staff Matt Russell was a director, player personnel

1081
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: who did a great job and had great instincts for

1082
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: but it was more collaboration going through it. What we

1083
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: what were the needs right, you know, and trying to

1084
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 3: find it because other than Peyton, we're trying to find

1085
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: that damn quarterback.

1086
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: The whole time.

1087
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: Yes, and so and thing is and like you said,

1088
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: you can look at tape. You can you know, you

1089
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: can look at numbers because everybody most everybody has a

1090
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: good numbers, yes, right, And you can look at tape

1091
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: and it'll make some good plays and then they'll blow

1092
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: a play or make another great play and you know,

1093
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: and and and so it was like the one thing

1094
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: that was very difficult to find is find out what.

1095
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: This was all about you, let's inside of it.

1096
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: What is this all about? How is he going to

1097
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: stand up in a tough situation? The lights come on

1098
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: in the NFL, you know, and try you know, you

1099
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: get so much time with him, it's tough to you know,

1100
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: and that's why earlier in the league, you're earlier in

1101
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: the in the draft, it's a little bit easier, but

1102
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's still fifty to fifty, right, you're going

1103
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: to hit the right guy and then but it was more,

1104
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: you know, trying to find a full package and what

1105
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: fit for us, what were our needs?

1106
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: And right, So your first draft, you get von Miller

1107
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: if if let's just say, if Cam is, well, you

1108
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: don't need a quarterback because you got you got Peyton.

1109
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: Well in the first draft, we did because we had

1110
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: we had tibo.

1111
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 4: That your first draft, No, what you got Dad already

1112
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 4: selected him?

1113
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: Right, but he's played that year?

1114
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.

1115
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: So it was a year it was oh no, we

1116
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: had got Peyton because that's right, because we'd already gotten

1117
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: that trade. But he was before that was before the draft, you're.

1118
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, no, Peyton came in twenty eleven, right,

1119
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: twelve twenty twelve.

1120
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 4: So you got Vond at twenty eleven.

1121
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: That's right, that was what he was before. Peyton was right, right,

1122
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: So then we had Kyle Orton, and we had Timbo

1123
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: and uh Brady Quinn, right and so so yeah, but

1124
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember who Cam was taking number one.

1125
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: One and one by Carolina.

1126
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I just remember having a conversation with you and you said,

1127
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: and I asked you, you know, because everybody was talking

1128
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: about the Bronco will take von Miller. I said, you said,

1129
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: he's Derek Thomas reincarnated. Yeah, yeah, that dude.

1130
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: That means von Miller, for his size and speed was

1131
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: the most talent person we I ever drafted. Come not

1132
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: even close. The way he could bend, bend, and strength

1133
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: and power and speed and everything. Yeah, I mean there

1134
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: was not I mean, Bond was it.

1135
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: He was. They could do everything. I mean he was,

1136
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: ipecially when he wanted to.

1137
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: And and well if unfortunately fortunately for us in swe

1138
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: Bow fifty he wanted to.

1139
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he ricked the game. They couldn't like it.

1140
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know why what made

1141
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: them think they could single him.

1142
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Yeah, but he was that. That

1143
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: was von Miller. I mean he just I mean the

1144
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 3: tools that he had were just I mean and and speed,

1145
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: the power, and he was so long too, hey he

1146
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 3: and they was so long.

1147
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could lock out. I remember him. He helped

1148
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Toss Kelsey. You remember that Monday night. He helped toss.

1149
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he and he.

1150
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Was like yeah, but he was he was unber How

1151
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: did you attract I mean it's a lot easier when

1152
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: you got Peyton, But how do you go about attracting Fridge?

1153
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 4: You get a key to leave, You get a demark

1154
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 4: demarcts where.

1155
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: It goes back to who's you know, having Peyton man

1156
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 3: in here? I mean that because someone And that's why

1157
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 3: having Peyton or having a quarterback, that's why you need

1158
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: that quarterback because they got to be able to believe

1159
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: in that quarterback. They got to believe that he's that

1160
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: he's good, because then they know they have a chance

1161
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: to win. Correct, right, So the one draw is that

1162
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: quarterback that you can draw to him, and that's what

1163
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: players will migrate to because they want to be on

1164
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: winning football teams that quarterbacks a great player. Then you'll

1165
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: be able to get those people. And that's why you know,

1166
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: because Peyton was here. What Peyton what wasn't what he was?

1167
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: But he was still I mean in twenty thirteen he

1168
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: chewed for five fifty five touchdowns and five thousand some yards, right,

1169
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: So he's still great, right, and so being able to

1170
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: might get those guys right. And then DeMarcus was big,

1171
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: you know, because he knew and so DeMarcus was kind

1172
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: of the first piece. And then to Keep came and

1173
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: then TJ. TJ came after that.

1174
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: So Bill, you got drafted Maleak and Woolf.

1175
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, wolf is in the second round. We got Leak

1176
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: in the fifth round, right, So but yeah, it was

1177
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: just a great combination. And Danny Tavaith and then Signon

1178
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: was a great player. We got Brandon Marshall him in

1179
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: the sixth Brandon Marshall was later at fifth rounder or

1180
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: something like that. So just a great combination. Plus Wade

1181
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: was a great defensive coache put it all together too.

1182
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: But Peyton to get Peyton knowing what he there was

1183
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: not Look, there was not. I don't know if there

1184
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: was a whole lot of suitors for his services given

1185
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: what he had been through, because it wasn't like he was.

1186
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't like he was Randy Johnson had a fastball anyway.

1187
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: So now dealing with that next surgery, the firing, those

1188
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: getting those nerves, the fire back, there was a possibility,

1189
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: well he's not going to be able to be what

1190
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: he once was, but you wrote you took a chance like, look.

1191
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: You know half of Peyton Mann, he's still better than

1192
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: a lot of players at that point in time, right,

1193
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: So he was still coming off that and didn't know

1194
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: if things were coming back, but the prognosis was very

1195
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: good that things were going to be able to come back,

1196
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: you know, and plus you know, we went through it.

1197
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: I think the Cardinals were in it, the Titans were

1198
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: in it. I can't remember else where. He took a

1199
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: trip in tennesseee and yeah, the Tennessee. That's that's the

1200
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: one that we're mad yet, right because it was from

1201
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: he went to college down there, and so you know,

1202
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: he just showed him what Denver was about, right, John

1203
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: Fox is here was very you know, a very good guy,

1204
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: good coach Da da da dah. And so he was

1205
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: a good recruiter. But you know, our plan was just

1206
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: to show show Peyton what we had show him Denver.

1207
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: You know, Mike mccoy'sy oc get in with Mike and

1208
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: be able to know that we're going to integrate, Peyton,

1209
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: what you want to do into what we're doing. Right,

1210
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: if you come here, we're gonna do what you want

1211
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: to do, and we're going to integrate it and talk

1212
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: through it and da da da dah. And so you know,

1213
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: and I think, as you know, it's so great to

1214
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: play in Denver probably and you know, mister Bowen was

1215
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: still there at that point in time, and so you know,

1216
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: the whole combination was, you know, was a great fit

1217
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: for Peyton. It ended up being that way. So it

1218
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: was funny because I'm sitting at the desk John Fox there,

1219
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: Peyton toldas I can't remember, it was a Monday. He goes,

1220
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna le everybody know on Monday. And so he

1221
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: calls his Peyton on the phone, and John Fox is

1222
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: sitting next to me, and I'm like, he goes, yeah,

1223
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: and Peyton says, well, yeah, I'm just you know, I'm

1224
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: calling letting people know what I'm gonna do. And I'm

1225
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: sitting there going, okay, well is this the first call?

1226
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: The same caller the third call? He goes, well, this

1227
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 3: is the third call. I said, oh, okay, so that yeah,

1228
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: I turned the other two down. I wanting to let

1229
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: you know that I'm coming to Denver. Oh wow, figure

1230
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: out I'm the third call. And I told Fox and

1231
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: Fox what crazy?

1232
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 4: So but it was great to get him here. We

1233
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: will get you a few questions left.

1234
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Cam said he's still haunted by not jumping on that

1235
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: ball in the Super Bowl. Is there a play that

1236
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: haunts you that you wish, after all these years you

1237
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: could have a do over?

1238
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Wow? One that pops in my mind all the time

1239
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: was I against the Raiders here Mike Shannon was the

1240
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: coach of the Raiders, okay, and we're in overtime and

1241
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: I threw a deep ball and it was I should

1242
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: have never thrown the ball, and they ended up picking

1243
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: it off and I ended up losing the game. And

1244
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: I can't tell you, I can't tell you who picked

1245
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: it off and whatnot. But it's still one that picks

1246
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: that So it has to be that one that was

1247
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: probably the worst decision I made or worst throw I

1248
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: made to decision and throw, And you know it's one

1249
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: of those that's like, why'd you throw that one?

1250
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 4: Right?

1251
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: I always think about that, so that's probably that's probably it.

1252
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: You said in your tenure you don't have a whole

1253
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: lot of regret of selecting players for Dragon, for Readiens,

1254
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: but you do regret, Josh Allen, look at sitting right there,

1255
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: you had to feel picking the.

1256
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: Draft and you don't take him. You think that would

1257
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: have changed the fortunes.

1258
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: I do, you know, I do, and because I really

1259
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: liked him. But you know the problem is, and the

1260
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 3: way that I worked is I wanted I wanted buy

1261
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: in from the coaching staff, and I couldn't get to

1262
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: buy in from the coaching staff, right. I couldn't get

1263
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: everybody on the same page with it, and uh.

1264
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: You know so.

1265
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: And I loved him. Now, you know when he coming out,

1266
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: when he was coming out, he wasn't perfect. Yeah he

1267
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: was wrong, he was It was very very raw, right,

1268
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 3: and you know, acc his accuracy was the biggest question

1269
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 3: the athletic has held big, strong, competitive and all those

1270
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: type things. But you know there was a you know,

1271
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: that was the one question. I loved him, you know that.

1272
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: And that's what I say regret. It is because I

1273
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: didn't overrule everybody and say I'm taking him. I'm taking him, right,

1274
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm taking him because now it's up to you to

1275
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: make him good. Right, But none of the coaches, we're

1276
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: all kind of and you know, nobody, and they were

1277
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: all hot on Bradley Chubb, right because it was I'm

1278
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: forgetting who the head coach was.

1279
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: It was.

1280
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: It was it VJ at the time. Might it might

1281
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: have been VJ. And so they were all hot on

1282
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: getting the Hill. Yeah, exactly right. So I just couldn't

1283
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: get the buy in and even though I liked him.

1284
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: But so the one regret I have that we've talked

1285
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: about is that I didn't just overrule and said we're

1286
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: taking him now again, you have to have the right

1287
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: coach to.

1288
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: Coach him up, because you look at him in the

1289
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: first year. He wasn't like that until he got with Dayball.

1290
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: And now these coats.

1291
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: Correct and ba able to get and that's why if

1292
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: you don't have buy in on that offensive side and

1293
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: knowing that, okay, well so, but so that yeah, that's

1294
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 3: the one regret us A gym.

1295
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Howie Long said Kayla Williams. Is this generation's John Ilwick.

1296
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: You know he's coming on, is he's coming on. He's

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Speaker 3: doing better. You know. The one thing he's moving around,

1298
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: he's not. Decision making is getting better, and uh, yeah,

1299
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: I think he is a I think he's a great play.

1300
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's like anything. He's still young. He's not

1301
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: you know, to me and watching them a few games

1302
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: that I've watched him, he's not hitting the ones he

1303
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: should hit every time, right right, the easy ones, the

1304
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: ones that you know, the square outs, the hitches. Yes,

1305
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: those type balls that you should you're going to target.

1306
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 4: Every time, right that.

1307
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: You know, he's still a little bit that that'll come

1308
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: right with, that'll come with the maturity and with that

1309
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: throat that he made against Green Bay and overtime, oh

1310
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: my god, the one that he made a couple of

1311
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: weeks earlier where he threate didn't needed through two guys

1312
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: and his guy catches it.

1313
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 4: I mean he can his ability to throw in the move.

1314
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, and the one thing that you know, and

1315
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: this one and I believe this too, Shannon, is that

1316
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: as a quarterback, to be a great in the NFL,

1317
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: you have to be able to win it from the pocket. Yes,

1318
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: you've got to be able to make the throws from

1319
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: the pocket. Now, the addition of movement and creating new

1320
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, creating big play, extending play, that is all

1321
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: an added bonus, right, But to be able to be great,

1322
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 3: and that's where you know, that's what Cayleb I think

1323
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 3: is getting a lot better, right because in college is

1324
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: such a better athlete anybody. He could do whatever you

1325
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: want to run all over the place, right, But he

1326
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: seems to be getting more comfortable standing in that pocket

1327
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: and Ben Johnson's keeping him in there a little bit

1328
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: when he's making those throws. And then the added bonus

1329
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: is the ability to move around.

1330
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Speaker 1: The franchise tag was possibly created because of you, because

1331
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: mister Bowler didn't want to use you, so they wanted

1332
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: to be able to tag a player that they felt

1333
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: was a foundation piece that he was going to be

1334
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: remembered for playing for this organization.

1335
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Speaker 4: Do you remember anything about nineteen ninety three de freegency.

1336
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: You know, i'd heard the same rumor. I don't know

1337
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: if that's one hundred percent true, but I had heard

1338
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: the same thing that it was Pat that was one

1339
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: that brought that up and was a staunch supporter of

1340
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: the franchise tags, right, yeah, and it was I was

1341
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: fine with it because I didn't want to go anywhere

1342
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: else anyway.

1343
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: So how was John Elway when it's all saying done

1344
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: twenty five years from now. You came here in eighty

1345
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: three and you never left. You have other places in

1346
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: different spots, but this is home.

1347
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Speaker 4: How did John know we want to be remembered?

1348
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: You know, I would like, yeah, you know, number one

1349
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: is the person that was a positive influence on the community.

1350
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, have the legacy, have the the remembrance of

1351
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: of a solid playing career, but also somebody that was

1352
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: a positive influence within them within the community. And also

1353
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: was you know, one that helped bring Denver, you know,

1354
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 3: out of the out of the dusty old cowboy days

1355
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully you know, bring the help bring

1356
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: the city to where it is today. But also I

1357
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: think the most important thing is and I believe it

1358
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: in my life, the most important thing to me is relationships.

1359
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: You know, because it doesn't matter about money anything else

1360
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: that you have, what you've done all that stuff, is

1361
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 3: the relationships that you have that you know that the

1362
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: people that I've met here and you realize that, you know,

1363
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: he was a great football player, but a better person.

1364
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 4: John Elway, Appreciate you, bro, Thank you dude.

1365
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming out.

1366
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm.

1367
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Speaker 3: Made it not clever.

1368
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Speaker 2: SA Now all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice.

1369
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 3: Hustle pad the price. Want a slice, got the brother

1370
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: to dice all my life.

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00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, and

1372
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: grinding all my life sacrifice. Hustle paid the price. One slice,

1373
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: got the brother did all my life. I've been grinding

1374
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: all my life.