Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on? Hitchcock aka Man Tate
Speaker 1: Blige aka Taaomi Campbell And you can catch me on
Speaker 1: the bootleg kV podcast run It Up.
Speaker 2: Boutlet Cap Podcast Special guests in here, Deontay Hitchcock. You're
Speaker 2: representing Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 1: These might actually work. I got talking to the mic.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I mean, if my guy over there
Speaker 2: is doing the job, he's handling them, talk the handles
Speaker 2: over there, you should be able to just get comfortable. Man,
Speaker 2: So what's up, buddy, can't call it.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you do. A couple of years ago, listen, bro,
Speaker 2: I got a t paint like Stuard. We were going
Speaker 2: back and forth with each other. I was like, you
Speaker 2: gotta come. I saw. I think I'm got to sell
Speaker 2: your bars on that fire Free Stars some ships.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the d ms. I'll be doing drugs.
Speaker 2: What kind of drugs you do?
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't be doing drugs no more, but I
Speaker 1: would in drugs like shrooms and like that.
Speaker 2: So do you want to do shrooms right now? No?
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: I'm about to have some.
Speaker 1: I have a child now. I mean I've given me
Speaker 1: even more of a right. You're actually very right.
Speaker 2: But no, you stopped doing shroms because you had a kid.
Speaker 1: I stopped doing shrooms my last time doing New Year's
Speaker 1: this year, I feel like I got I got everything
Speaker 1: I needed from that trip. Mean, how much did you eat?
Speaker 1: I want to say four or four point five over?
Speaker 2: Got serious.
Speaker 1: But by that point I had done shrooms enough times
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, it's not that wild of a
Speaker 1: trip type shit, right, I mean it was a good time.
Speaker 2: What was the last one?
Speaker 1: Like I would say, I was damn near the shaman
Speaker 1: for my folk because my little brother did.
Speaker 2: She was put everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, kind of make sure everybody trip was good.
Speaker 1: And in that instance, it just felt like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm here, I've done what I needed to do type shit.
Speaker 1: It just felt real. God damn the theory for me,
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it was a good time.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit closer, Just a little bit closer.
Speaker 2: So have you done the Heroes dose?
Speaker 1: Ever? Heroes dose?
Speaker 2: I think that's like six grams a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I like I like life as it is,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm every day DMT. No,
Speaker 1: would you try not at this point in life, I
Speaker 1: would say, once all my shit is handled and all
Speaker 1: my bills are like automated one day. Yeah, about to
Speaker 1: say once I know I'm not finna like tweak out
Speaker 1: or I can tweak out and it's okay, cool, not yet.
Speaker 2: What about ayahuasca?
Speaker 1: So I've heard about this shit, I'm not really privy
Speaker 1: say everything about it. So it's like some real ancient
Speaker 1: shit I don't really fuck with.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, so you're supposed to do it with a shotman, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to take like it's kind of like a day.
Speaker 1: I feel like I got to like mentally prive for that.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people go to like Costa Rica
Speaker 2: like Perule and I'm fighting demons still, I can't. That's
Speaker 2: what we're supposed to get the demons out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You tried it. No, I want to real I've only
Speaker 2: done mushrooms.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of during I.
Speaker 2: Want to do DMT. So I want to do DMT.
Speaker 2: But the one time that I actually had real DMT
Speaker 2: in front of me, I pushed out, man, my boy
Speaker 2: John John had it ready to go, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm in this hotel room with one of my dogs
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. I don't know if this is the spot, bro,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I want to do d m
Speaker 2: T in my at the Intercontinental, it'll freak.
Speaker 1: The fuck out. No, yeah, I said, roats crawl on
Speaker 1: the floor. It's over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I haven't done. I want to do both.
Speaker 2: But you know d m T like it's kind of
Speaker 2: like it looks like you're smoking crack because you.
Speaker 1: Have to free base it anything with a pipe on straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have like the pens, but that shi it's
Speaker 2: not supposed to hit the right way. You're supposed to
Speaker 2: actually like freebase it like you're smoking the rock. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the last thing your Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're born, when like what makes your life flash for
Speaker 1: your straight Nope, you.
Speaker 2: Can smoke that.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: People smoke a lot of other ship, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not to smoke that Phantom show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what I saying anything that's like all that ship?
Speaker 1: I'm straight?
Speaker 2: Yo. So I've read this is this true? Your uncle
Speaker 2: co wrote No Scrubs?
Speaker 1: So all right, so my uncle used to make music, right, Okay?
Speaker 1: You doing who started me making music. I think an
Speaker 1: interview with uh Rob Martman at the time, Rob Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out the rock. He asked me this question, but
Speaker 1: then he said somebody else's name, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: has my uncle been lying to me all these years
Speaker 1: because he didn't know who the fuck I was talking about.
Speaker 1: When I talked my uncle. My uncle told me about
Speaker 1: this shit all my life. He still claims his shit
Speaker 1: all the time. So in my eyes, yeah, he wrote it,
Speaker 1: but he said somebody name like Shaggy or some shit
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know the niggas name no more,
Speaker 1: but yeah, my uncle wrote it. He helped, yes, nic Yes,
Speaker 1: so did he like Marlon Hitchcock Marlon Hitchcock, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: So he's who got you like kind of interested in
Speaker 2: getting into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he started me doing this shit. Like if
Speaker 1: he didn't do music, I would probably be somewhere like
Speaker 1: skating right now or dancing and some shit.
Speaker 2: A skateboarder.
Speaker 1: I want to skateboarder. I was like an inline roller
Speaker 1: skater type. I was in Atlanta, like we all of
Speaker 1: skate all us tick all this shit. So you're hitting
Speaker 1: the rink yeah yeah, yeah, until they closed it down.
Speaker 1: It's a car dealership.
Speaker 2: Now, damn trash bro I feel like there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of skating rinks that just anywhere anymore.
Speaker 1: Nah about say we used to yeah, got like all right,
Speaker 1: So for us it was I was on the south side,
Speaker 1: so it was like Sparkles. It was a skate zone.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, skate town was that skate zones like Mount
Speaker 1: Side but still skate zone. Skate Town still there. They
Speaker 1: closed Sparkles, that's the car dealership and ship now, but
Speaker 1: we still got Cascade and that's on the west side.
Speaker 1: We still got like golden glad. We still got like.
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Speaker 2: If we go to Atlanta. Okay, I'm gonna just preface
Speaker 2: this conversation by saying, I had the wings at King
Speaker 2: of Diamonds, not King of Diamonds, the city and they
Speaker 2: were very overrated to me.
Speaker 1: City cool?
Speaker 2: What are what? What is the best? Let's take the
Speaker 2: women out of the equation. If we're talking strictly cuisine.
Speaker 2: What is the best strip clubs in Atlanta? Just to
Speaker 2: get some food, to get a bite to eat at.
Speaker 1: About saying I ain't the biggest strip club connoisseur, but
Speaker 1: I about say He'll tell you got cheetah. I feel
Speaker 1: like Rank's number one.
Speaker 2: Is that the place with the lamb chops.
Speaker 1: They got some lamb chops they got signed Simon.
Speaker 2: Place, but they like nickelback On like like yeah, I
Speaker 2: say it's real, real g t A. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I heard they got great food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, Simon play crazy to say the cool that's
Speaker 1: a Blue Flame actually have some nice food.
Speaker 2: I heard Blue Flames got better wings in matches by
Speaker 2: some Blue Flames.
Speaker 1: Food is cool.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's according to Killer Mike Nix.
Speaker 1: It is gone. Yeah, I said, nah, that's the three.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the Claremont Lounge, Nah, where
Speaker 2: they have like old ladies and midgets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I like midget shut out to attempted to.
Speaker 2: Take us there one night. He was trying to like
Speaker 2: fuck with me, like we're gonna take you the hottestrip
Speaker 2: club in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You know midges.
Speaker 2: I mean I ain't got no problems with him. Okay?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 2: And by the way, little people.
Speaker 1: To get canceled, that's right, that's right. So I feel
Speaker 1: like them my people. So I say it can't cancel me.
Speaker 2: It's been a two or three years? Did you drop
Speaker 2: the last album?
Speaker 1: I would say twenty twenty, so yeah, three years coming
Speaker 1: up on three years before the Panini?
Speaker 2: Why did you take a so long panini? The Panini?
Speaker 1: Yep, the Panoramic, whatever you wanna call it.
Speaker 2: What about the pandemic threw you off your creative tracks?
Speaker 1: Bro? I feel like for a lot of folk, like
Speaker 1: I just posted about the shit the other day that like,
Speaker 1: we dropped our album. That album better was what May?
Speaker 1: The pandemic started in March, and I say we dropped
Speaker 1: the album in May, so it was like, we can't
Speaker 1: do shit right, No, no tourn no, nothing like touring
Speaker 1: is what I was looking forward to the most shout
Speaker 1: of Like I did six tours before I put ab out.
Speaker 1: We went out with Rhapsody, We went out with Jig Black,
Speaker 1: wilele Ja, Dinna and Loo Kelly forty seven out of
Speaker 1: shit with no album. So I would to say at
Speaker 1: this point, we put the album geek, like when we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to put it out, like ship first to it,
Speaker 1: all that in the world shut down. I think me
Speaker 1: and Maria had a show and then that night everything
Speaker 1: shut down shout yeah by se Mariba five. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was just a weird time for about it.
Speaker 1: Like creatively, that ship felt weird to feel empty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We was doing shows on folks
Speaker 1: couches and it was like, bro, I'm tired of virtual shows.
Speaker 2: So you were just kind of what you were doing,
Speaker 2: like virtual shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah about say me, Me and ra had a virtual
Speaker 1: show actually on somebody count.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that ship didn't catch on, but it
Speaker 2: was terrible, Like I remember everybody was like I had homies,
Speaker 2: like investing in like virtual concert venues, like this was
Speaker 2: gonna be the new wave. I'm like, bro, this ship
Speaker 2: is trash.
Speaker 1: The niggas had to make it shake somehow, like.
Speaker 2: And stand up on zoom.
Speaker 1: Zoom out of that ship. It's dark time a wild time, bro,
Speaker 1: dark time Stop.
Speaker 2: And then during the pandemic you end up on the
Speaker 2: Dreamville project. That was before the pandemic. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: Summer of twenty Nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we had the Actually it is like
Speaker 1: very condensed, like it don't even feel real.
Speaker 2: By the way, the pandemic feels like it started like
Speaker 2: six months ago.
Speaker 1: Still to me all it feels like that shit happened
Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. But it's been three
Speaker 1: fucking years. Crazy bro looked up and.
Speaker 2: I was like, Bro, I got a child, So technically
Speaker 2: a Grammy nominated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not even technically what I'm saying. We ain't win
Speaker 1: that motherfucker, but Grammy nominated.
Speaker 2: Put that on the risk, Like a little certificate. Yeah
Speaker 2: at the crib you gotta frame that ship.
Speaker 1: But yes, sitting in the crib right when you walk
Speaker 1: up the steps, the plaque right there with the certificate
Speaker 1: right out of there, you're gonna see that ship.
Speaker 2: Did you you know, shout to Marie buta you mentioned
Speaker 2: black Jed the whole like spillage village family. Did you
Speaker 2: kind of come up with them in Atlanta at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 1: Nah, Actually they are a little bit older than me,
Speaker 1: So first time I really like got prevated them in there.
Speaker 1: I was down in school. I went to Georgia Southern,
Speaker 1: it's like three hours away from the city. And you remember,
Speaker 1: like when you hit to like the edge were moving
Speaker 1: and all this shit. So you had like Key two.
Speaker 2: Nine and of course the sound the SoundCloud fucking.
Speaker 1: Excioneers man, so all of that shit was really bubbling
Speaker 1: while I was down there at Southern so I would
Speaker 1: come back home. I think I first time, meaning Black
Speaker 1: was on the Edgewood in the Edgewood parking lot at
Speaker 1: Random when he still had the goddamn lots and all
Speaker 1: this ship was like I met a nigga around.
Speaker 2: Blacks, one of my favorite I'm crazy crazy classic.
Speaker 1: One of my partners, like came up with him that
Speaker 1: I met in college and he was putting me on
Speaker 1: his ship that when he was shooting with a dude
Speaker 1: I think his name was like Blue twenty two or
Speaker 1: some shit like that. Yeah, I me him, met random
Speaker 1: walking down edge with.
Speaker 2: That's crazy crazy. I don't think that that movement gets
Speaker 2: enough credit for like kind of kicking down the SoundCloud doors.
Speaker 2: I think of like Father and Kid of those guys
Speaker 2: were like kind of like the first guys that I
Speaker 2: really kind of discovered through SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: Every wondering what the fuck happened, Like we're not what
Speaker 1: the fuck happened, just why he ain't got like the
Speaker 1: respect he deserves.
Speaker 2: I don't know that, you know, fel like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of those unsung heroes because there's like some guys
Speaker 2: in like Miami, like Space Goes Purpose somebody else who
Speaker 2: kind of like I had a lot of like influence,
Speaker 2: yeah with like kind of like he kind of yeah,
Speaker 2: and like you know, I think I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of those kind of guys from like the
Speaker 2: blogs era that don't really get.
Speaker 1: The that should be work key the flight that a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas got. I saw key with at first.
Speaker 1: That's some real ship. A lot of niggas that's like
Speaker 1: key Key, y'all go check it sh out.
Speaker 2: So you you met Black in the parking lot at Edge,
Speaker 2: what you.
Speaker 1: Said, Rand Mosell, like right across street from the department store,
Speaker 1: department stof who.
Speaker 2: Would you say? Uh? Would be your like two or
Speaker 2: three influences as an MC that you could point to
Speaker 2: in life?
Speaker 1: Shit waye Wayne off top?
Speaker 2: Which what's the best Carter too?
Speaker 1: I like cartoon Yeah about say Carter one right behind it?
Speaker 1: Quarter three is amazing, But I about to say the
Speaker 1: first two just classic about something crazy Andre for sure?
Speaker 1: Who else? Who else would I say?
Speaker 2: Certainly not nas.
Speaker 1: Listen man, look bro shout out to Nis. I need
Speaker 1: somebody to put me on the right NA songs to
Speaker 1: listen to, because like, I got a cousin who swears
Speaker 1: up and down the naves is the greatest rapper a lot,
Speaker 1: but he could rap. I can't take that.
Speaker 2: Away from definitely better than Little Wind.
Speaker 1: See that's what I don't know, man. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a regional thing.
Speaker 2: But you from Arizona, Arizona, Bro, you're from the West coast,
Speaker 2: like dog.
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know, that's the question I listened to.
Speaker 1: It was like it's a good album. Maybe folks over
Speaker 1: hyped them to me, and there's no dispriting.
Speaker 2: Written.
Speaker 1: No, but so that's what we talked about, Pep that
Speaker 1: yet like beats, bits and pieces of each of.
Speaker 2: Those you listened to rewind. Yeah, I mean the Wayne's
Speaker 2: never written some ship like that.
Speaker 1: Bro, but he's got more Bros.
Speaker 2: When you say more, so more is not always better.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say more is always better quality over quantity,
Speaker 1: but more quality. He has a lot of missus as well.
Speaker 1: But Wayne got too much by so Carter three amazing,
Speaker 1: Carter two.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, So we're talking about two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight is when the Carter three dropped. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you got and nine is no wait? Oh nine
Speaker 2: is no ceilings? Yes, oh nine is the first no
Speaker 2: Ceilings the Carter four. Can we agree that the Carter
Speaker 2: four had some singles but was admitted? Yeah, Cardio, Okay,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of ships around that. You weren't
Speaker 2: bumping the Rebirth, were you?
Speaker 1: I actually did, like of Rebirth Queen on Fire. Come on,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I am not a human being. You're bumping that.
Speaker 1: Right above it. I mean good single, good singles.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. By the way, very Slept on album Like
Speaker 2: Father Like Son shouts to wait, that's a classic album.
Speaker 1: Army Guns is on that.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm saying classic to me because we
Speaker 2: just had this whole classic fucking thing and your boy
Speaker 2: on the couches over there, like god, this guy's saying
Speaker 2: a lot of classic to me, man, personal classic like
Speaker 2: Father Like Son is amazing.
Speaker 1: So if somebody told me it wasn't a classic, I
Speaker 1: couldn't argue with them type shit.
Speaker 2: But it's I just feel like after Carter, after No Ceilings,
Speaker 2: I just feel like the Wayne shit kind of just
Speaker 2: fell off a cliff.
Speaker 1: But it's so much ship before that. Bro, I abould say,
Speaker 1: from o FO to that period in nine, Bro, you
Speaker 1: couldn't go anywhere with I'm saying, I don't think we've
Speaker 1: seen well besides Drake at this point. Now, at that
Speaker 1: point in time, there was no one who had a
Speaker 1: more aggressive run than that.
Speaker 2: I agree, no one as far as like like length.
Speaker 1: As far as length, quantity, all of that.
Speaker 2: Shit with the mixtapes.
Speaker 1: Yes, Bro, like he was insane. I ain't never seen
Speaker 1: no shit like that.
Speaker 2: And it's put out four albums in the last three years,
Speaker 2: and two of them got gram Grammy nomination.
Speaker 1: You think there's nas run fit.
Speaker 2: Errors in his runs? Not for sure?
Speaker 1: About to say, I definitely respect the longevity of it all
Speaker 1: because a lot of folks can't win. Of DoD's debut,
Speaker 1: it was like nineteen Well.
Speaker 2: He was on Live from the Barbecue main source in
Speaker 2: ninety three.
Speaker 1: I believe that that's when I was born. So he's
Speaker 1: been rapping for as long as I in ninety four.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong on the main source what year
Speaker 2: it was. It might have been ninety two.
Speaker 1: And that's amazing. You mean, like I would hope to
Speaker 1: be rapping thirty years down the line type shit. I
Speaker 1: would hope to still be able to and still have
Speaker 1: a fan base.
Speaker 2: My thing is he's been rapping all that time and
Speaker 2: then out of nowhere him and hiit boy, just catch
Speaker 2: a fucking wave Chip five yeh ninety one.
Speaker 1: So long as a time I respected. I just you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I haven't no one's played me a song
Speaker 1: where it was like I feel like I need to
Speaker 1: invest listen it.
Speaker 2: I think you like it was written.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out when we're leaving, Like I
Speaker 1: told you, if I don't fuck with that one? Or uh,
Speaker 1: what was the Eminem joint you selling me?
Speaker 2: But oh no, no, no, let's not even put those
Speaker 2: in the same discussion. Bro. All I was trying to
Speaker 2: tell you was that Eminem has put out an album
Speaker 2: recently that wasn't dog shit.
Speaker 1: I feel you, so listen.
Speaker 2: The Eminem album Music to Be Murdered By is a
Speaker 2: good album. It's his best album in like twelve years now.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting that in any sort of same discussion
Speaker 2: as it was written. I was just saying, like, because
Speaker 2: we're talking about off the mic, we're talking about our goats,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm not sure Eminem could be
Speaker 2: considered the greatest of all time with the amount of
Speaker 2: shitty music he's released, which is also my argument for
Speaker 2: Little Wayne. I don't know, man, it's just too much
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes sometimes it was Little Wayne. It was too much,
Speaker 2: wasn't it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean too much in the best possible way.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about after No Ceilings, it was just a
Speaker 2: lot of mid.
Speaker 1: He gave us d he gave us at that points,
Speaker 1: and everything else is game Nikki exactly. All that is
Speaker 1: negated at that point. Anything post two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: it was okay, Yeah, I say it was different.
Speaker 2: So would you give Eminem the same benefit of the doubt?
Speaker 1: So I was just he gave us fifty I was
Speaker 1: younger when Eminem's run was going on, okay, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't as previous. I wasn't like when Wayne was doing
Speaker 1: that shit with how I was like, what fourteen? So
Speaker 1: I was really that was my entry point the music
Speaker 1: type shit was like, That's what I'm really getting into.
Speaker 1: So I saw that as a child. It was like
Speaker 1: that's what I want to be. Like, I like that
Speaker 1: type shit. Eminem. I think I was with seven seven
Speaker 1: eight when it was first going on, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: really at them tapping in like that, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't outside for that one.
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Speaker 1: Or Wayne now like today all time out time they
Speaker 1: might give it to Drake. Drake, that run has been insigme, bro,
Speaker 1: That's why I was saying, like before Drake, I don't
Speaker 1: think we had seen anything like that post. Drake is shiit.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: We was just talking about this in the car, was
Speaker 1: listening to some of his music Brisbane. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's left the chart since he came in. That was
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Bro, it's twenty three now, Broke.
Speaker 2: It is fourteen years straight, just the number one, fourteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of crazy. What's your favorite Drake album?
Speaker 1: If you're reading this is too late, this.
Speaker 2: Is his best rap album. Yes, by far. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Quintin Miller.
Speaker 1: Come out on, bro, come on man, All right, y'all
Speaker 1: got like ads on here. This is the perfect time
Speaker 1: for well.
Speaker 2: Drake goes me fifty thousd dollars, So I'm gonna until
Speaker 2: he pays me my money.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we need details. You can't roll past it.
Speaker 1: He was there, fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: We made a bet. We made an NBA bet in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and uh.
Speaker 1: You heard from him since, Ah, that's fucked up. Come on.
Speaker 2: Freddy Gibbs was there. We were sitting at the bar
Speaker 2: at the at the Harriet and uh he told me
Speaker 2: that the Warriors were gonna go further than the Suns
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and I said, put some money on it.
Speaker 2: He said fifty thousand, said all right, and then we
Speaker 2: went to the finals. Man, bro, it's all good man.
Speaker 1: I mean, day you gotta bed.
Speaker 2: No. I DMed it. No, I definitely DMed him. And I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, man, I don't know if you're I
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember, but you need it to
Speaker 2: Drake though. He's a nice guy and I've come to
Speaker 2: peace with him being a top seven all time, top
Speaker 2: eight all time.
Speaker 1: It's top five Kendricks above him for sure, so's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I love Kendrick as well about saying me and my
Speaker 1: partners were having arguments about this shit out of the time,
Speaker 1: Like I think they're really nigging it. I feel like
Speaker 1: they give folks different things for show, but I feel
Speaker 1: like each one is just as important as well.
Speaker 2: Because you know what we were talking about, who has
Speaker 2: five classic albums and it's definitely Kanye, right, but you
Speaker 2: know it's right behind him Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kendrick's right there.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I just feel like bodies of work,
Speaker 2: I'm just like Kendrick doesn't miss because if you think
Speaker 2: about like the Pimp a Butterfly, when that shit first
Speaker 2: came out, a lot of people hated it because they
Speaker 2: went above their heads and their fucking musically weak minded fucks.
Speaker 2: They're very shallow fans. But like that album aged so well.
Speaker 2: It's like such a great album, Like.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot more. I think it was
Speaker 1: interesting like when it first dropped me and my home girl.
Speaker 1: My best friend studied in Trinidad, so I went overseas
Speaker 1: with HERD type shit and a lot of the people
Speaker 1: over there we were talking about we were having like
Speaker 1: debates about Cole Kendrick draking out of shit and he
Speaker 1: had recently just dropped to Pimple Butterfly, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them didn't understand it because a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that he's talking about, it's really like US based
Speaker 1: United States, and I didn't realize like how different the
Speaker 1: worldview on shit like that is, And that kind of
Speaker 1: threw me a little bit. It's like, I love the album.
Speaker 1: I love Good Kid, Mad City Shit, I love Damn,
Speaker 1: I love all the moffuckers. Actually I don't think about
Speaker 1: it section eighty crazy crazy about So I ran adhd
Speaker 1: up so many times. You know how Apple got the
Speaker 1: ship where it plays the song with a first as
Speaker 1: soon as you get in the car. That shit played
Speaker 1: so many times with my ship.
Speaker 2: Really I never used that one, never, never, I feel,
Speaker 2: you know, because I started off as an android guy,
Speaker 2: so I had Spotify. Look, I got both now not
Speaker 2: the same. I have both phones, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I Finally, I would never ever like I'm keeping my
Speaker 2: iPhone forever. I'll get rid of the android. At this point,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was thinking this whole time.
Speaker 1: Nicardo was for you.
Speaker 2: It was because I was like, well, I wait, what
Speaker 2: happens if I already have an Android? Do I still
Speaker 2: get the album?
Speaker 1: The only thing I don't like about Apple Music is
Speaker 1: how they tried to put the YouTube album on everybody ship. Bro,
Speaker 1: I still haven't listened to it, but YouTube app no YouTube?
Speaker 2: Oh you? Oh yeah, every every album, every every iPhone
Speaker 2: has the fucking YouTube shit need that type of that
Speaker 2: was the same type of ship where you just buy
Speaker 2: an iPhone and it counts as YouTube going diamond or something.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on? So this ship automatically counted towards it. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, bro, need talk.
Speaker 2: Well I think they got rid of the all those
Speaker 2: like it's going the merch bundles and shit crazy. I mean,
Speaker 2: not a bad idea, like, hey, buy a hoodie, You're
Speaker 2: gonna buy the hoodie anyway. If you buy the hoodie,
Speaker 2: it comes to the free album.
Speaker 1: It's great and it counts to and it counts and
Speaker 1: it counts.
Speaker 2: Man. So let's talk about this new album. You just
Speaker 2: dropped this new record, well, which is fire this morning?
Speaker 2: You got big Cred on the album. What's on the album?
Speaker 1: Big Create west Side? But I'm hunger Shamba drum.
Speaker 2: Shout out to drum drum? Yeah? Is he my drum again?
Speaker 1: She did go back to it.
Speaker 2: Is it Shelley or Shelby?
Speaker 1: It was Shelley, Okay, yeah, not like the mustang about
Speaker 1: I'm not so is he back at drum?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But if I'm not.
Speaker 2: Because I was confused.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he did the rerun because.
Speaker 2: Of insanely talented guy who actually fell asleep during an
Speaker 2: interview we did once. All right, he was so high
Speaker 2: he passed out during our interview. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Shout out the drugs.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, shout out to dre.
Speaker 1: Can't be offering folk shrooms me an interview.
Speaker 2: I didn't offer Hi troops man. He show ship for show.
Speaker 1: Shout out the drugs.
Speaker 2: Again, drums. Very talented guy though, amazing, So drum Cred
Speaker 2: Westside Boogie Shamba.
Speaker 1: You familiar with day amazing artists say he just had
Speaker 1: some ship that went viral probably like last week from
Speaker 1: my mistake and he did like an up Rocks performance
Speaker 1: she was crazy or I'm my tripping tripping trip oh
Speaker 1: samo as well? How about say another talented single year?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 2: For you, Like, uh, how intentional are you with like
Speaker 2: bodies of work? Because nowadays everybody's so fucking hung up
Speaker 2: on like singles and like just dropping different impressions on
Speaker 2: the algorithm and not really focused on like cohesiveness when
Speaker 2: it comes to their projects.
Speaker 1: Before I answer that, I'm out of tweet, I can't
Speaker 1: remember if I said my prime of Dave. David Fuller's
Speaker 1: also on that as well. Amazing I sing. But as
Speaker 1: far as albums, I feel like it's different now, like
Speaker 1: it's a different time, bro, Like albums aren't. They don't
Speaker 1: feel as important as they used to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still take pride to like putting one together, I
Speaker 1: mean amazing only because I feel like you still got
Speaker 1: folks who listen to it for that and the folks
Speaker 1: who stay with you, like your fans for life. Listen
Speaker 1: to bodies of work, and it's like it was almost
Speaker 1: counts as like a checkpoint where you are in your life,
Speaker 1: like a time market type shit. But the folks who
Speaker 1: don't listen albums for it. They just gonna make their
Speaker 1: own playlist anyway, right, They gonna take their favorite shit
Speaker 1: and put their motherfucker together. I think that's what we are.
Speaker 1: But I say, he'd be trying to tell me all
Speaker 1: the time, like making a classic body of work is important,
Speaker 1: but at the time period that we're in now, it's
Speaker 1: more about just feeding the people in general. They'll make
Speaker 1: whatever album that they want with the shit that you
Speaker 1: put out. So that's why you see for like Nba
Speaker 1: Young Woy who dropped like eight projects last year, that
Speaker 1: she is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, I think like it's like
Speaker 2: I think though, whenever we think about like the Greats
Speaker 2: still today, we always go to their we talk about
Speaker 2: their albums still.
Speaker 1: Yes, but but I feel like they had a different
Speaker 1: type of grace when they came up.
Speaker 2: That might be fair because we look at them that way.
Speaker 2: It's alms and like the people.
Speaker 1: The last grace that we always talk about is like
Speaker 1: Kendrick Cole and Drake at the last three Greats right now,
Speaker 1: and I still feel like they came at a point
Speaker 1: of time where we were still in.
Speaker 2: But I think even Little Baby, like I think people
Speaker 2: look at my turn, and they're like, damn, he actually
Speaker 2: came out and fucking dropped the body of work that
Speaker 2: kind of like separated him from everybody else, everybody else
Speaker 2: in his.
Speaker 1: But until he dropped that, he didn't have the like
Speaker 1: before my turn, he was dropping consistently.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was on his ship, so.
Speaker 1: He couldn't afford to not drop until he dropped a
Speaker 1: body of work.
Speaker 2: Like it made sense and.
Speaker 1: It so it's like, especially now for somebody who's trying
Speaker 1: to like cut through the noise and break into it,
Speaker 1: I don't think we have. I mean, the luxury of
Speaker 1: not dropping is who do you.
Speaker 2: Think are the excluding the names we just talked about Cole,
Speaker 2: Kendrick and Drake, who is the 'll say the last
Speaker 2: five years, who do you think are the new goats?
Speaker 1: The new goats? Hmmm? I don't know. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: I feel like there are a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of things, a lot of parameters and boxes to check
Speaker 1: for shit like that. Like I feel like we got
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are extremely lyrical but haven't
Speaker 1: necessarily had the breakout hit of example mainstream. A lot
Speaker 1: of my favorite lyrical artists right now about say you
Speaker 1: can go for Ji, you can go for Kenny Mace,
Speaker 1: and you can go for everything. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: hometown people, for sure, extremely but I think we're all
Speaker 1: trying to get to that next Like this last album
Speaker 1: is amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: Word three of the album of the Year last year
Speaker 2: when I did my best albums, I put it above.
Speaker 2: I put it above Kendrick's album last.
Speaker 1: Year said, I feel like a lot of folks were
Speaker 1: having that back and forth to bait that fucking Albus
Speaker 1: ship right about saying, what's the Cody Blue shit? That's
Speaker 1: my favorite sounder swang, that's my favorite song.
Speaker 2: What was the the fucking I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: the name of that song is the word crackhead in it?
Speaker 1: Cracked sandwich, cracked sandwich. Yeah, he's one of the best rappers. Now,
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, but I think, like like I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of us are trying to get to that
Speaker 1: next point. It's like I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: the lyrical people now, whether it's Jid, whether it's a
Speaker 1: SOB where it's a reason where there's any of these guys,
Speaker 1: like we all have very niche fan bases, but we
Speaker 1: all all want to be like a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that we look at his inspirations is like the
Speaker 1: waynes Is, the Kendricks and the Drakes and all that.
Speaker 1: I feel like they did the same thing that we're doing,
Speaker 1: but they also had the hits hits. They also had
Speaker 1: the mainstream ship, the ship to pull people in, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're trying to get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think D's just missing like that hit. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously he had that big record with the Magic Dragons
Speaker 2: and like put him in front of a bunch of
Speaker 2: new eyes. But I just think, like, you know, that
Speaker 2: breakout single year, it's like his own. To me, he's like,
Speaker 2: but I think little babies, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little baby's amazing.
Speaker 2: He's I think he's the last the last five years,
Speaker 2: he's been nobody's baby brother.
Speaker 1: And he done went on to some of my favorite
Speaker 1: folks songs. I wrapped them, for sure. I feel like
Speaker 1: he rapped cole Ie.
Speaker 3: Like for sure, Drake, for sure, he washed Drake went
Speaker 3: crazy on that on the mesh that way, Jesus on
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Speaker 2: Drake drop your little baby skated?
Speaker 1: Did everybody like that?
Speaker 2: And he's like we you've seen him like I don't
Speaker 2: think we've ever seen somebody get so good so fast,
Speaker 2: because I think like when Little Baby first came out,
Speaker 2: you were like, I like he first came Now I
Speaker 2: liked him too, but like I feel like like he
Speaker 2: was very limited as like a lyricist, and like he
Speaker 2: would openly talk about how Gunna helped him like become
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, this guy's just impeccable.
Speaker 1: Anything you do every day, you're gonna get get it.
Speaker 1: He was in the studio non stop. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a couple of from Atlanta like that right now though,
Speaker 1: because twenty one was.
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Speaker 1: I like twenty one. I love twenty one little bit.
Speaker 2: I love twenty one. I'd love when like him and
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Speaker 2: twenty years since you guys have just been holding onto.
Speaker 1: The ship since Dre sid.
Speaker 2: Has it been since then? I really feel like it
Speaker 2: started with like it really started with.
Speaker 1: Like snap music type shit.
Speaker 2: Nah no, no, I'm gonna say it, crunk juice, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not even the Kings of Crunk Kings.
Speaker 1: It was like two June something like that, what's the
Speaker 1: fucking get.
Speaker 2: Low and all that shit. I feel like after that shit,
Speaker 2: it was just over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Luke says, because you then like like Luda
Speaker 1: fuck it, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, migosy, that sh it's
Speaker 1: insane and ain't going nowhere those time soon. There's too
Speaker 1: much going on.
Speaker 2: Where do you put the Migos in your top rock
Speaker 2: groups of all time? No?
Speaker 1: One, number one, it's Cast for Meat. I don't care.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about like I think we did this
Speaker 1: before too. We had an argument about like this outcast
Speaker 1: have more hits than the Migos. I think they had
Speaker 1: bigger ones. I think hits hits, our casts had a lot.
Speaker 1: Our Guests may have like a strong fifteen. I think
Speaker 1: the Migos may had like sixteen seventeen, but the Outcast
Speaker 1: way bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Migos don't have a Hai.
Speaker 1: No war Roses or anything like that, but they do.
Speaker 2: But they do have a bad and Boosie. They do
Speaker 2: have bad and booshes nuts so, but they don't have.
Speaker 1: I feel like most of their hits they don't have
Speaker 1: miss like.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Miss Jackson. Like, Yeah, I think Outcast has the
Speaker 2: bigger records.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, the Migos might be. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not going to say that because
Speaker 2: I do feel like Outcast kind of burst a lot
Speaker 2: of what I love about Atlanta hip hop in the
Speaker 2: last or even Southern hip hop. So they did influence
Speaker 2: a whole generation of guys to be like lyrical and dope,
Speaker 2: and but damn Migos like influence amazing.
Speaker 1: They influenced Drake, So you can't take you can't take
Speaker 1: nothing from me. The group said, that's my one A,
Speaker 1: one B, who's the best Migo. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it just because he's past nothing. I've been take
Speaker 1: Off supportive of the whole time.
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the Takeoff l a Leakers freestyle
Speaker 2: when he was on the.
Speaker 1: With the the one with all of them was on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gory.
Speaker 2: That ship was so tough.
Speaker 1: His cadence was insane. Oh, he was insane.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because like when the Migos first came out,
Speaker 2: I do feel like Takeoff was like the duke carrying
Speaker 2: the fucking early ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He was a rubbers, But.
Speaker 2: They've all had like their runs and guys in the
Speaker 2: group that had the wave going.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, looked at beyond. I mean
Speaker 1: beyon Quavo is like the Beyonce grew early on because
Speaker 1: it seems like he had like the most charism, so
Speaker 1: the most swagon. He was usually the dude on the hooks.
Speaker 1: So it's like that's why I hear most type ship.
Speaker 1: But when Takeout verse was coming in and then I'll say,
Speaker 1: you know, he was locked up for the early I feel.
Speaker 2: Like Offset is kind of like the best of Quavo
Speaker 2: and take Off. He's like, I feel like he's the
Speaker 2: most well rounded of the Migo.
Speaker 1: I ain't at that, and I.
Speaker 2: Heard his album that's supposed to be coming out whenever
Speaker 2: they let him come out. That ship is fire. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, the Offset album whenever Offset is allowed to
Speaker 2: drop his body of work.
Speaker 1: Tough gott to hit it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, I believe it. Yeah, he delivered for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: shout out to the Migos. So you got Miko's number two.
Speaker 1: Rap group of all times right there. For me, it
Speaker 1: might be Atlanta Bas would say, you know, saying, my
Speaker 1: uncle put me on like UGK and all of them.
Speaker 1: I ain't never get too hip to like Wu Tang
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, like my mama told me
Speaker 1: that was crazy, And yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's like outcast Wu Tang try call quest.
Speaker 1: Those are the three say that was putting me on
Speaker 1: like a midnight Marauders and all that shit, because when
Speaker 1: I first met them, any tribe.
Speaker 2: Shit, and then you can get into like the Mob Deeps,
Speaker 2: the Bone Thugs, the Migos, the there's like a whole
Speaker 2: list of guys after that. But I think Migo goes
Speaker 2: up in the five.
Speaker 1: Migos up there for show bro. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: another group modern day that's had most succestent number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody about say shit, even going to the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's not too many groups that's had more success
Speaker 1: than Migos when your album dropping May tenth, So we
Speaker 1: got twenty days. Are you gonna make everybody wait three
Speaker 1: years for another album? No? Actually, I ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: a date anohing for the next one. But we outside
Speaker 1: all year, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna keep You're gonna keep this this r
Speaker 2: pressure coming.
Speaker 1: So I had once I had my kid, I had
Speaker 1: to gotta sit down for a sick right off the show.
Speaker 1: Take care exactly. You know what I mean. Shout out
Speaker 1: the black fathers, we out here and me all of
Speaker 1: that shit. I was at the house. Now back outside.
Speaker 1: I had to pick a woman who I knew was
Speaker 1: gonna be a great single mother as the time came.
Speaker 1: You shitn't be like it's gonna be a great time.
Speaker 1: She got it.
Speaker 2: You had to pick a woman that you felt like
Speaker 2: would be a grea.
Speaker 1: Great single mother, nurture and she has all the quality.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be good when I'm on the road. She
Speaker 1: got it. I love you, baby, this is your lady.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh okay, yeah, I just feel like the way
Speaker 2: that came off.
Speaker 1: Was like, nah, about to say I'm fucking around, not.
Speaker 2: Like cause I mean obviously I'm gonna leave her cause
Speaker 2: I make sure should be alright.
Speaker 1: But she's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are you finally gonna be able to
Speaker 2: scratch your tour? Itch? Yes?
Speaker 1: Bruh, Like that shit was what last tour was two
Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen? Yeah, Wilee, that was a load one. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry your dinner it was the last one. It
Speaker 1: ain't been made sense?
Speaker 2: Classic man, Yes, actually show is crazy. Oh he's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I do think Jodenna is a pretty wildly talented guy.
Speaker 2: For like the he should be bigger than he is
Speaker 2: because I feel like he's very very he's he's like incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but classic man, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like it sucks when like your first song is like
Speaker 2: that big. It's almost like people don't give you the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt to like go dive into your
Speaker 2: catalog and.
Speaker 1: Ship because like people more people know the song and
Speaker 1: they know.
Speaker 2: You exactly, and that shit happens with a lot of
Speaker 2: dope artists.
Speaker 1: It's a hard thing. I would say it's a good
Speaker 1: problem to have, but it's a problem all the same.
Speaker 2: It's like a gift in the curse of your first
Speaker 2: song being one of the songs. And it's crazy too
Speaker 2: because that song doesn't necessarily like really like represent like
Speaker 2: him sound exactly. So it's like that's the tough part, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's like if your first record was something like
Speaker 2: that was like more true to like what like if
Speaker 2: I listened to your album was Now You're Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah about yeah, class Man was little. It's almost like
Speaker 1: the ship that you make doesn't go crazy, but dog, uh,
Speaker 1: it was the ship. It's like the ship you fucking
Speaker 1: around on. It's crazy. It blows up.
Speaker 2: Who was I who initially invited you to the Dream
Speaker 2: Build Sessions.
Speaker 1: Invitation? I can't even remember who sent me the invitation
Speaker 1: off top. All I remember was the first day I
Speaker 1: saw folks dropping their golden tickets. I was pieced because
Speaker 1: I ain't get one the first day. Oh I got
Speaker 1: the second day. Yeah, But I remember calling him specifically.
Speaker 1: It was like, I gotta turned my ship up because
Speaker 1: I was mad because it was in Atlanta. It's y'all done,
Speaker 1: came all the way out here, and then exactly, I
Speaker 1: ain't get nothing. Next day I got this ship.
Speaker 2: Were you around when I heard that Chris Bosh was
Speaker 2: making beats.
Speaker 1: Chris, but we in the room smaller than this, for real,
Speaker 1: I about to say from about that section of the
Speaker 1: while we're sitting in that motherfucker. It's a chair right here.
Speaker 1: It's a door that swim is. But the way the
Speaker 1: door open when it closed, I mean when it's open,
Speaker 1: you can't see who's behind that shit, And it literally
Speaker 1: took the person away. Somebody closed the door and literally
Speaker 1: was like, who's that back? They're making beats? We talking
Speaker 1: about it's Chris Bosh. You've been sitting in his room
Speaker 1: for hours with us sitting back there making beats, and nobody.
Speaker 2: Really nobody knew Chris Bosh.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew Chris Bosh was in the corner of the
Speaker 1: room making beats. How are the beats straight?
Speaker 2: Actually a bit? Were you there when the bucks came?
Speaker 1: Yes, they about everybody donuts. They brought every great people.
Speaker 1: Did you get to talk to Giannis? Yes, Actually he's
Speaker 1: taller Ship. He was. I can't a man.
Speaker 2: He just seems like such a sweet guy. He's got
Speaker 2: that's movie tall at ship. Oh I think you said
Speaker 2: he was talking shit? No, no, no about taller Ship.
Speaker 2: I mean his tall ship on.
Speaker 1: The smooth five five on a good day. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are short, and I didn't realize that when
Speaker 2: I first.
Speaker 1: The midgets of my people. Broy we can't cancel me, bros.
Speaker 2: Yo great size though for stage diving a crowd surfing,
Speaker 2: very true, very true.
Speaker 1: Compact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get a job done done that dropt surfed.
Speaker 1: No, I was planning to do this on my first
Speaker 1: tour in the world.
Speaker 2: There it is, man. We'll let the new album comes
Speaker 2: out May tenth. Yes, Uh appreciate you coming through.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Go stream the album when it drops. The single Woe
Speaker 2: is Out.
Speaker 1: I got to play that is to pay. I got
Speaker 1: a kid to feed. Play this sheep.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Man, you already know Deontae. Appreciate you pulling
Speaker 2: up better.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you