1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by Bud Light. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: We are coming to you from the twenty twenty six 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, and we're getting things started. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I can later look Cucier Weather. Sure, if you're in 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: New England you experienced some of that, but we are here. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: This is my six combine. Very excited and especially this year. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: We got to talk to Mike Rabel today. I have 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: to talk to some other people as well. We'll have 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: those interviews coming up for you, but have first things first. 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Today was a big day for me because it was 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the defensive front seven. It's the linebackers, it's the defensive tackles, 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: it's the edges, all positions of varying needs, especially edge though, 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: and I got to start off the top. We heard 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: our Mason Thomas's name mentioned a couple of times. He's 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: a guy that plays with that Mike Frabele style hair 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: on fire balls to the wall. Not only him, but 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: there's a number of guys Key mesidor another one that 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: it pops up. But some options potentially for the Patriots 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: in this edge class at the end of the first round. 20 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked to multiple people now here at the 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: Combine on the Patriots organization, whether it's Eliot Wolf like Rabel, 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: they all have pointed to this edge class as a 23 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: position of depth and strength in this draft class. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: So that seems to be kind of the buzz of the. 25 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Combine right now is how many different edge rushers there are, 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: maybe some saying as many as twenty in the top 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: one hundred could go in this draft. 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 3: So it's a big number. 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: And I think the two parts of that though, are 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: it's a flavors thing, right, you know, which ice cream 31 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: flavor is it that you want in terms of the 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: skill sets, but also when is the best time to 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: pounce on one of those guys because there is so 34 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: much depth. Do you wait till day two of the 35 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: draft and let it kind of fall to you or 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: do you take a player up there at thirty one? 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of different options. You know, I'll 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: just throw cash as Howl in there as well from 39 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: Texas A and m who you know, we might do 40 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: the short arms thing again with. 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: Him, so yay lucky us. 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, I know there's so many different things that 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: go into it in terms of play style, body type 44 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: that could make an edge rusher, a Patriot edge rusher, 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: but not a people next to us. The chief said, Dressers, 46 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: the Raiders. You know, everybody's got a different kind of thing. 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Raiders, that drusher man. 48 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: We could work out a deal. 49 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been trying to that. I don't know their. 50 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Content can make that deal, but we'll we'll, we'll get 51 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: to work on that. So Mike Vrabel did take the 52 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: to the podium today as well. We got to chance 53 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: to talk to him. But some of the things that 54 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: stood out from the podium portion, because you guys will 55 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: see our interview with him in a second. Two things 56 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: I want to highlight. Ev One was that and it's 57 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: something I kind of thought too. Was the tight end class. 58 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: And we know Mike Rabel played a little tight end, 59 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: so maybe he's got an eye for those tight ends. 60 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: But it's position to need. You know, Austin Hooper was 61 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: a free agent hunter. Henry getting up there a little bit. 62 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Love to add some you know, young athleticism there. I 63 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: know Kenyan Sadik from Oregon is a top that list. 64 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: He's hyper athletic and a really intriguing player for me. 65 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: Maybe he gets through the cracks, but I also look 66 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: at guys like Max Claire from Ohio State, like some 67 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: of these lower end crossbecks. 68 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 4: I don't will call him lower and they're more mid round, 69 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: but it seems like those guys stood out to Rabel two. 70 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: I just listen to what he says, and when he 71 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: points in a direction, I'm going to look even closer 72 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: tight end Cluss Now. 73 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean that definitely stood out to me. 74 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: And I think that even talking to Elliot Wolf yesterday too, 75 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: just putting them together, a lot of talk about, well, 76 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: Morgan Moses is a great player, but he's thirty five. 77 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 2: I assume they kind of feel the same way about 78 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: Hunter Henry. Great player, but gonna be thirty two years 79 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: old next season. So that position, it's not necessarily that 80 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: they need a starter at that position right away, but 81 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: they need to start thinking about the next chapter at 82 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: tight end. And also I would say, like you mentioned, 83 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more youth in the legs, you know, 84 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: a little bit more explosiveness, a little bit more juice. 85 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: The one thing that I really wonder, kind of like 86 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: the edge Rusher conversation, is how much do they prioritize 87 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: upgrading inline blocking versus receiving upside because in this draft 88 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: there are a pretty good amount in that let's call 89 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: it sixty to one fifty range. There's gonna be a 90 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: cluster of tight ends that's going to go in that 91 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: range of the draft. It's kind of like Sadik at 92 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: the top, big gap and then everybody. But once everybody 93 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: else starts going, there's going to be a run, and 94 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: you have to get in on the run. When you 95 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: look at that group, it's obviously not going to be 96 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: a lot of like two way players like a Tyler 97 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Warren that can do everything right. If he did, he'd 98 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 2: be going in the first round. So it's receiving types 99 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: you mentioned, you know, like a Max Claire or Eli 100 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: Stower is from Vanderbilt or Oscar delt from Georgia. Two 101 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: you know, six, three, two forty five guys that catch 102 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: the football. Then you have like blocking tight ends that 103 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: don't really catch the football but can really block. And 104 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: so where do the Patriots prioritize that? I think it's 105 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: going to be fascinating because, you know, maybe that depth 106 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: that Mike Rabel pointed to, maybe they're thinking doubled it, 107 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: you know, and get a both, you know, get one 108 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: of each. 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that sort of thing as well. 110 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, the other thing that that stood out to me 111 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: for from Vrabel at the podium was just challenging his 112 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: coaches to you know, continue to evolve and yeah, find 113 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: new things. 114 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: It's something I love. 115 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: I Mean the comp we've kind of talked about on 116 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: Patriots Filtered is when the O three Patriots went out 117 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: and got Corey Dillon and you know, continue to change 118 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: the equation and improve and not just be Oh, the 119 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: O three Patriots are back, we got a Saint. It's 120 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: a different team. We all look at the schedule. We 121 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: know it's going to be a tougher road. You know, 122 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: we talked of. 123 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 4: Rabel, we mentioned going to Seattle. 124 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's on everybody's mind that it's going 125 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: to be a tougher task this year. But I'm very 126 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: curious to see what the coaches might come back with. 127 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: And I know it's something that we've talked plenty about 128 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: looking for innovation, ways to get different. Fabele pointed to 129 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: the college game, the high school game. Something maybe they 130 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: can bring up anything, maybe the. 131 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: Pops in mind, maybe that's an off the record conversation 132 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: we can have where I'm like, hey, like just tell me, Like, well, 133 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: you're gonna know. But I think the biggest thing that 134 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: stood out to me, because we had a local media 135 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: scrum with him just now that he also did that. 136 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll write about and everything like that, but 137 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: he said that one of the things that they have 138 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: talked about is the amount of disguise that defenses are 139 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: playing with nowadays. And I think it's important to mention 140 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: it's not just coverage disguise. It's also pass rush disguise. 141 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: You know, you have guys up at the line of 142 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: scrimmage and you don't know who's dropping and who's coming, 143 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: and how that can mess with protections is also a 144 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: part of disguise, and I think we often think about 145 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: it as coverage disguise, but there's also now a ton 146 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: of pass rush disguise too, and there's better ways to 147 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 2: maybe handle that. I think is something that they're gonna 148 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: try to look into now. He did say. Rabel did say, look, 149 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: we're not gonna reinvent the whole offense here. We're talking 150 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: about making a few tweaks here and there, maybe one 151 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: or two ideas, not ten. But at the same time 152 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: that that did stand out to him and stood out 153 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: to I think everybody, especially with Seattle's defense, they just 154 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: are sending and dropping and doing things from all different directions, 155 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: and I think the Patriots need to get better at 156 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: handling those things. 157 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a whole lot of Mike Fable today. Let's 158 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: not waste any more time. Let's jump right into our 159 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: interview with him. Here's the sit down right now. All right, 160 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: Patriots said coach. Mike Frable joins us. Now, coach, thanks 161 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: for joining us, and you're. 162 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: Doing carwash here. 163 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: You know, Evan and I we don't get up early 164 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: enough to talk to you during the season. I think 165 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: the last time we talked to you was here at 166 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: the combine. Have you had a chance to process ask questions? 167 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 5: I do. I do a press conference twice a week. 168 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 5: You're free to ask questions there. 169 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: We don't get you one on one like this though. 170 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: But have you had a chance to process this last 171 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: year yet? 172 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 6: I mean probably not. You know, I just keep it 173 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 6: moving and figure out what we need to do next. 174 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 6: I think that's what we've done since we since we 175 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 6: started a little over a year ago. So the idea 176 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 6: is just kind of figure out what we need to 177 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: do for the team and and go about doing it. 178 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 4: Commind help with that. It all get and then something 179 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: new nothing. 180 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, because everybody's here, you know, I mean we have 181 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 6: you know, most of our staff here and you know, 182 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 6: the personnel staff and uh some of the coaches have 183 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 6: come in. We're excited about going to dinner to night 184 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 6: before the meeting, so you know, Miss Nancy Nancy Meyer 185 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 6: sets that up and that'll be a great thing here 186 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 6: tonight that we'll be able to do. I have great 187 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 6: dinner with everybody that's in and then we'll we'll head 188 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 6: over to h to the interviews. 189 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: Are you saying almost guy Prime forty. 190 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 5: Seven, I'm a stake guy. I don't discriminate. 191 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 6: Cocktails all got spicy horse sauce, and I don't discriminate. 192 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 5: All right, take a steak. 193 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: Well, what's the last couple of weeks looked like for 194 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: you personally? Just obviously coming off the Super Bowl? 195 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: Wow? 196 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 6: I mean you try to visit with the players and 197 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 6: coaches and try to figure out what the staff needs 198 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 6: and the adjustments that you make with the staff, and 199 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 6: you know, try to take a little bit of time, 200 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 6: you know, went skiing with Carter, went scanning for three 201 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 6: days with him and that was enough. 202 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 5: I got more injuries. 203 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 6: No, no injuries, but you know, just try to make 204 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 6: some time for for family, but also make time for 205 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 6: for work in this football team. 206 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: No, you got to start over at the beginning every year. 207 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: But is there some things that you can take from 208 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: that season? 209 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 6: You think the stat and I don't know if you 210 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 6: it's starting over from the beginning, you know what I mean. 211 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 6: I think you have to start over from you know, 212 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 6: the things that you feel really really confident about moving 213 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 6: forward and that you want to build with and kind 214 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: of go from there and then you know, add the 215 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 6: pieces and look to the draft and look to free agency, 216 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 6: and you know, who can you develop and what can 217 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 6: you get out of you know, somebody else that maybe 218 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 6: he didn't think that you had in him, or he 219 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 6: didn't think he had in himself, and you know, but 220 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 6: those will be things that we'll do here moving forward, 221 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 6: just with our current team and then what it looks 222 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 6: like going forward with the pieces that we had. 223 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: I'll hated to just ask you a little bit about 224 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: the staff obviously, Zach, you know, being promoted here defensive coordinator, 225 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: Just what did you see as an assistant that you 226 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: thought he could call players, he'd be a good Yeah. 227 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 6: I just thought, you know, a very intelligent football coach 228 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 6: at an offensive background that when he came to Tennessee 229 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 6: provided us with a lot of information when we were 230 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 6: in those defensive meetium rooms on hey, this is what 231 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 6: they're trying to do, this is what bothers or maybe 232 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 6: forces them to do something differently. And so that's how 233 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 6: his role started, and then he progressed to it to 234 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 6: a defensive coach, handled our red zone installation and the 235 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 6: presentation and the conversations, and you continue to grow and 236 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 6: then when you know we got here, you know, it 237 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: just was obvious from an early time when when you 238 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: know Big T was, you know, working through some stuff 239 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 6: that Zach was capable of leading and also improved. 240 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: You know, each and every week you've been a defensive coordinator. 241 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: What are the biggest challenge of having I mean, can 242 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: you imagine yourself jumping into that job kind of unexpectedly? 243 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 5: Well, I think as a. 244 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 6: Position coach, you're always thinking about that. And I think 245 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 6: that when you try to think about that, like, hey, 246 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 6: what what I call here? 247 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 5: What adjustment? 248 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 6: Or what do we have to be careful of here? 249 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: You're always just trying to train and sharpen and think 250 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 6: about that. Now, whether that matches up or marries up 251 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 6: with the with the play caller, that that may not 252 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 6: always happen, but you're always in your head thinking about 253 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 6: That's the way that you have to look at it, 254 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 6: just as the same way as you're sitting there and 255 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 6: you're thinking about, Hey, this is what the head coach 256 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 6: wants to do. 257 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 5: Is this what I would do? And I'm going to. 258 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 6: Support this as a U as a position coach or 259 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: a coordinator, I'm gonna I'm gonna support it. But is 260 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 6: this what I would do? Most of the time it is. 261 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 6: Sometimes it's it looks a little different. So when you 262 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 6: get your opportunity, you know you can do those things. 263 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: When it comes to Terrell, you you mentioned at the 264 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: podium just a few minutes ago that you have a 265 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: vision for his role. Can you just share any insight 266 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: into what that vision might be? 267 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 6: Again, it's it's going to be a strong role on 268 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 6: the defense, like he is going to act as a 269 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 6: as a coordinator and presenting information and ideas and you know, 270 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 6: bringing us the front and making sure that we're we're 271 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 6: really solid across the front from our edges to the interior. 272 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 6: We've got some guys inside that I think can continue 273 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 6: to develop and grow, whether that's Milk or Christian or 274 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 6: anybody else. I think that those guys can continue to 275 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 6: get better. And Terrell's going to have a large hand 276 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 6: in that. But he's also going to be able to 277 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 6: help me, uh and extend, you know, being an extension 278 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 6: of me throughout our program. 279 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: I know you haven't jumped in too much on the 280 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: draft yet, but do you enjoy that process, gravitate towards 281 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: maybe position you played or like. 282 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: Do you like it? Like do you have fun with 283 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: and find these kids? 284 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 6: And it's important. I mean, the draft is you know, 285 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 6: has to be the cornerstone of of your you know 286 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 6: your team, and it's it's the youth, and you put 287 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 6: a lot of time into these guys. You spend a 288 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 6: lot of time with the draft guys and then the 289 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 6: free agents if you don't know something about them, you know. 290 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 5: Sometimes you don't know what what what you're getting. But 291 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 5: we have a. 292 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 6: Lot of knowledge of these guys, and then you're excited 293 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 6: when you're able to get them, and you know, whether 294 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 6: you trade up for them, they they're there when you pick. 295 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: Or you know, you trade back in the guy's there. 296 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 6: So you know, we have to we have to continue 297 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 6: to draft well and we have to continue to develop 298 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 6: because that's the only way that you can withstain or 299 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 6: sustain the success that we envision. 300 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: The one of the players I want to ask you 301 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: about on your own team is Christians Sure has up 302 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: for this extension maybe this offseason. 303 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: What do you just you in him? And do you 304 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: want to make an extension happen? 305 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 5: Well, we want to go. 306 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, we we obviously want to move forward with all 307 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 6: our best players. I think that that's something that I 308 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 6: would want. And I know that you know, Elliott once 309 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 6: and Ryan once and Stretched once and Robert and Jonathan 310 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 6: and our fans want they want our best players to 311 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 6: be on our team as long as they're you know, 312 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 6: really good players. Uh again, I thought he got better. 313 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 6: I thought he played his best football down the stretch 314 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 6: and I thought that that was good to see. I 315 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: talked about that and and yeah, that was something that 316 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 6: Gonzo and I, you know, would would talk about and share. 317 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 5: And you know he is, he's a talented player. 318 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 6: And if I pushed him and asked him if he 319 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 6: he wants to strive to be a captain, and he 320 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 6: said that he does, and I'm going to help him 321 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 6: try to get there. And I want him to to 322 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: come back with that mindset of not only being an 323 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 6: elite player, but also being an elite leader and an 324 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 6: elite teammate, which he is an elite teammate, but you know, 325 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: being able to push these guys and communicate and use 326 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 6: his intelligence and what he sees on the field be 327 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 6: able to help other guys. 328 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Just one more for me, Mike. I thought it was 329 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: really interesting at the podium. He said, you're challenging your 330 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: coaches to, you know, bring you something new this offseason. 331 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you feel like you're kind 332 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: of adjusting year two that you need to make to 333 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: maybe course correct or just change that course. 334 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 6: I mean, we have to left, We have to get stronger. 335 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 6: You know, when you have a young football team, like 336 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 6: you have to understand that this is a I mean, 337 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 6: this is a grown man sport like this is. There's 338 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 6: a bunch of big men out there playing this game. 339 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 6: And so I want to make sure that our players 340 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 6: understand how important. 341 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: You know, their physical development is. 342 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 6: They they may be skilled, but we you know, we 343 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 6: have some guys that you know, our team, like everybody's 344 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 6: at a different level, Like where where one player is 345 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 6: at twelve years into his career and the other players in 346 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 6: his second year. Like here's what I always say, Like 347 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 6: nobody talks about Tom Brady in two thousand and one, 348 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 6: in two thousand and how he changed his body and 349 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 6: he maximized his god given genetic ability. Everybody talks about 350 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 6: TB twelve and the pliability. They don't talk about how 351 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 6: hard he worked in the weight room and we lifted 352 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 6: with the tight end and the linebackers, and he squatted 353 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 6: and he hanged, cleaned, and he did all those things 354 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 6: to make his body the best that it could be 355 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 6: for him to play quarterback and to compete and once 356 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 6: his opportunity came. So I think that's always a good 357 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 6: reminder just looking at what you know, how hard this 358 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 6: player worked and what people thought it was. 359 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 5: But you know, some of us that were there, you. 360 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 6: Know, we got to see that, and you know, I 361 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 6: think that's just a good reminder that as a young 362 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 6: player you can still make a lot of gains once 363 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 6: you started your career. 364 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: Kind of along those same lines, when you did an 365 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: audit of the season in the Super Bowl. You guys 366 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: were a great offense during the regular season, he tanks 367 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: MVP runner up. In the playoffs, it seemed to take 368 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of a step back. Is that, 369 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, young guys in big spots, great defenses. 370 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean you obviously know what the type 371 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 6: of defenses that we played. 372 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 5: It wasn't like we were playing some rum dumbs. 373 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 6: You know, these guys were good and we we didn't 374 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 6: consistently do enough. I thought there were times where we 375 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 6: did and we we weren't able to sustain. And we'll 376 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 6: have to go back and understand it. To to put 377 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 6: yourself in those positions and ultimately win a championship, you're 378 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 6: gonna have to beat good defenses, whether that's at home 379 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 6: or on the road or whatever. That is so uh, 380 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 6: the consistency of it, the ability to create some X plays. 381 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 6: You know, it's hard to drive the ball ten or 382 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 6: twelve plays, and you know, just you have to be 383 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 6: have to be better, have to you know, improve the 384 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 6: details and improve the execution. And it again, we're all 385 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 6: involved in it, you know, from the coaching to the 386 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 6: playing is it's on us all and that's the be 387 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 6: our challenge going forward is. Yeah, we had success and 388 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 6: there was some really good performances, but you know, the 389 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 6: margin for air when you get into January really shrinks. 390 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 4: Well, coach, thank you so much. 391 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: Thank you guys, appreciate We'll see you back in fox Brough, 392 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: Mike Grabel, everybody. 393 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys should ask more questions when you come back. 394 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: All right. Always great to talk to Rabel. 395 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean you bust our chops a little bit, but 396 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: that's you know that continued. 397 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: We have video evidence of it of him making fun 398 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: of me for not asking enough questions at press conferences. 399 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: So I guess I need to step it up, you know. 400 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean I told a quick story of my first 401 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: combine A twenty twenty we saw for Abel sitting with 402 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: the Titans. I'm like, my god, their head coach just 403 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: comes and talks to the team. You know, it was 404 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: crazy to me. And you know now here we are 405 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: having the opportunity to talk talk to him here on 406 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: Patriots Draft Countdown, which is brought to you by bud Light. 407 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: It's easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light, 408 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And 409 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: we're not done, folks, we also talked to another I 410 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: guess I call him in New England. Great, it's Mike Gace, 411 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: the goat of Patriots reporters. Always enjoy talking with Mike. 412 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: It feels like, just not too long ago, we were 413 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: talking to him at the Super Bowl. So here's Myke 414 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: Greecee's thoughts on the Patriots offseason. 415 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 4: And what they might prioritize. 416 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: All right, we're excited now to be joined by Mike 417 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: Greece of course, man who needs no introduction. 418 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 4: Mike. Great to see you, Deuce Evan, let's talk. 419 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: Well, I gotta start, Mike, because I feel like we 420 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: talked to you with the Super Bowl couple. 421 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: I mean, it feels like it was yesterday. 422 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: I love that talk. 423 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 4: And you had a line in that preview that stuck 424 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: with me. It hit me like a trait train when 425 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 4: you said. 426 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: It, and you just looked at the defensive line of 427 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: Seattle and you said, these are a bunch of veteran players, 428 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: And that was. 429 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 4: So simplified it to me. And that is kind of 430 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: exactly how the game unfolded. Oh man. 431 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 7: And credit to Nick Cassario is because when I was 432 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 7: previewing the game with him for a story on ESPN 433 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 7: dot com. He sort of, I said, break down the Seahawks, 434 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 7: and we know from twenty four years a Bill he 435 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 7: would come, Bill Belichick would come to the podium and 436 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 7: he'd give us the other. 437 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: Team without any notes. 438 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And Nick did that and he started with 439 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 7: the Seahawks defensive front. And so I have to give 440 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 7: him the credit because honestly, it's not me studying it 441 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 7: like seventeen regular season games, three playoff games and coming 442 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 7: up with this brilliant plan of what's gonna unfold. 443 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 4: It was more talking to the experience that I trust. 444 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: But you were condo it, and I think it's just 445 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: it simplified it, and unfortunately. 446 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: It's exactly how it played it. 447 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: And I think back to the Patriots defenses, you know 448 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: in three and o four, when they were a veteran group, 449 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: when it was like you're going in this game with 450 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, you know, Teddy Bruski Willing. You just knew 451 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: that those guys were going to come to play in 452 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: the biggest games. 453 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 7: And I want to share a story from the year 454 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 7: with Morgan Moses, which is what we're talking about. Morgan 455 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 7: Moses is thirty four to thirty five years old, a 456 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 7: veteran in the league, and he was talking to me 457 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 7: about how much he likes Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, 458 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 7: and in sharing this story with me, he said, like 459 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 7: their kids like and And he then described himself and 460 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 7: said it wasn't until I was twenty four, twenty five 461 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 7: that just physically I could catch up to what I 462 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 7: was facing in the NFL. And we talked about Trent 463 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 7: Williams still doing it at thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty. 464 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 5: Nine years old. 465 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 7: Morgan wants to come back, by the way, Like that's 466 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 7: part of the whole conversation we were having. But I 467 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 7: remembered him telling me that thinking about the Super Bowl, 468 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 7: and like, wow, they are going to be relying on 469 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 7: these kids that need another offseason they get stronger and. 470 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 4: Build up there. 471 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, what they have, you know, to go up against 472 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 7: these guys that have been in the league for three, 473 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 7: four or five years. 474 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw you reported yesterday that no surgery expected 475 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: for Will Campbell, and then that's good news. But I 476 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: thought that was something that stood out from Elliot Wolf yesterday. 477 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: It was him saying I didn't see the same lower 478 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: body strength in the playoffs. From him and then from 479 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 2: the regular season. What's just your sense though, just in 480 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: terms of their approach this offseason, and I think a 481 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: lot of if I started asking the same questions of 482 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: are you now in more of an expedited situation because 483 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: you did make the Super Bowl? 484 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: Or do you think they're still in that long term approach? 485 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 7: So you highlighted to me, Evan the most interesting thing 486 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 7: I heard yesterday, which was that view of Will Campbell, 487 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 7: Like we thought he played well before the injury, then 488 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 7: we didn't see the same ability to anchor, which I 489 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 7: think people listening might ask the question, Will, then why 490 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 7: did you play him? 491 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: You know? 492 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 7: And then I think the answer to that and I'm 493 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 7: going to deduce this they haven't said this. They still 494 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 7: felt like Will at that level was better than the 495 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 7: next option, which was Vederian Low And I think I 496 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 7: would have played this. I would have done it if 497 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 7: you're asking me the same way. But that's a fair question, 498 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 7: right In terms of the approach, I believe it comes 499 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 7: down to the money. I always believe it comes down 500 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 7: to the money. I think Christian Gonzales being eligible for 501 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 7: an extension is everything. 502 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: That's where it should start. 503 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 7: I think Drake being eligible next year at this time 504 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 7: has got to be in your long range view. So 505 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 7: I don't expect them to come out and spend like 506 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 7: a big, big deal unless it's just a perfect scenario. 507 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, for example, the Raiders. 508 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 7: Say, you know what this Max Crosby, you can have 509 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 7: them for minimal compensation and and then you're you can 510 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 7: assume that contract, you know what I mean. So I 511 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 7: don't know if I answered. 512 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: The question, Yeah, no, you did, but I I just 513 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: in terms of just how you feel about it, too, Like, 514 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: do you think that they should take that approach, because 515 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: I think that a lot of fans hear that and 516 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: are gonna be a little bit disappointed that they're not 517 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: going to just now go for it, right, You're one 518 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: went away from the super Bowl last year. But I 519 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: actually kind of see it and say, I actually think 520 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: that that's probably the smart thing to do, because you 521 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 2: really kind of have to treat it like you almost 522 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: had like a nice season, like you know, like a 523 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 2: nine win ten win season, but the way that it 524 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 2: broke for them, it probably was the reason why they 525 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 2: got as far as they did. Yes, And I think 526 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: you have to be kind of realistic about that. At 527 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: the same time, would you agree. 528 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: With that one hundred percent? It's being honest. 529 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 7: With are you Are you a super Bowl team like 530 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 7: they were this year based on AFC being down a 531 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 7: little bit, give them credit to they learn how to 532 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 7: win games, Like I don't think that should be dismissed. 533 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: I don't love when people say, oh, you know, fools 534 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: gold for. 535 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 7: Lack of a better term, like that's that's bs to me, Like, 536 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 7: that's not fools gold. 537 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 4: It's hard to win. It's hard to go nine to 538 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 4: zero on the road, do you know? 539 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 7: You know what I mean? But at the same time, 540 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 7: like I don't, it's gonna be a lot harder in 541 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 7: twenty twenty six. 542 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: That's such what I was gonna say, Mike. 543 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: It's just it seems there's a lot of hard decisions 544 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: this year because it would be somewhat easy to run 545 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: it back. I mean, Chase On's a free agent, Austin Hooper, 546 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Hawkins, a few starters and guys that you could 547 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: make an argument to bring all those guys back, that 548 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: they fit well, that they played, you know, better as 549 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: the season went on. But they're all the offensive linemen 550 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: are coming back. So it's just it's there's no easy, Like, well, 551 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: there's a hole here, and we like, you're gonna have 552 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: to probably move some pieces around, and you're not going 553 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: to bring back the same team next year. It's gonna 554 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: be a different team. I think everybody has to has 555 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: to realize that. 556 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: It'll it'll be a different team. 557 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 7: I feel like to build off what we're talking about, 558 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 7: another solid draft is mandatory, and I guess, to me, 559 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 7: that's going for it. It's like having another solid draft. 560 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 7: And I know that's not sexy, but if as we're 561 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 7: sitting here, I want to use an example from twenty 562 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 7: one to twenty two years ago, like go find the 563 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 7: first round pick that you made in two thousand and 564 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 7: five at pick thirty two, Go find that player this year. 565 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 7: Logan Mankins is who I'm talking about. I think everyone 566 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 7: watching knows that you're at thirty one. That's going for it. 567 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 7: To me, like, I know that's not traditional going for it, 568 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 7: but I want a nasty, athletic, mean big player up front. 569 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: Yeah helps, well Campbell, you add a little bit of 570 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: size maybe next to him. I think it's something that 571 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: we've talked about too easy way, Maybe that's a simple fix. 572 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: And who where does Jared Wilson end up, who is 573 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 4: it Evans? 574 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: I know on the spot, so pregnant from Oregon really 575 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: does fit that Bill. You know, he's a left guard 576 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: at Oregon, pure guard prospect, not one of these tackles 577 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: that's going to convert inside. He's a wider body. He's 578 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: a heavy handed guy. Not quite as big as as 579 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: big Mic, not not that sort of size, but similar 580 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: kind of player. The other guy that stands out to 581 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: me in that particular mold who is going to convert 582 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: from tackle to guard is Jennings Dunker from Iowa, who 583 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: is like, to me. 584 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: A Mike looks like it's a mullet. 585 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: Never for him, it's a that's probably a little high, yeah, 586 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: but he he's one of those guys that, you know, 587 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: there's a really good track record of moving college tackles 588 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: to guard. Logan Mankett was one of them, Joe Toney 589 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: was one of those guys, yep. And those guys have 590 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: a lot of success in the league. And Dunkard just 591 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: the way he looks, the way he did play, demeanor, 592 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: the style, uh that, the run blocking ability, all those 593 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: things to me do really scream Mike Rabel like that 594 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: kind of guy. 595 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 7: And I just want to use the Seahawks as an example, 596 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 7: Like they're the super Bowl champion and we're talking about 597 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 7: this idea of going for it. Like last year they 598 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 7: were Gray's able in the first round, right, I mean, 599 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 7: is that not going for it? I mean, yeah, do 600 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 7: you know what I mean? Like, so I just sort 601 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 7: of for me, I like to reframe. 602 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: Another guy that played tackle in college. By the way, 603 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: Craze Abel and moved inside. You mentioned Christian Zales. Yes, well, 604 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: where are you at in terms of that negotiation extension 605 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf? 606 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: Yesterday? 607 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: I felt like kinda was like, we'll get to it, 608 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: you know. It wasn't like something that we're going to 609 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: do this week sort of deal. 610 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have a theory. 611 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 7: I watched that interview with you and Matt Yeah, and 612 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 7: I thought it was excellent, and I wanted to be 613 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 7: that excellent though. 614 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 3: Man, yeah, we missed the champion. 615 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 7: I wanted to be prepared coming here. I think it's 616 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 7: semantics when he's talking like that, because technically they can't 617 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: talk about it until the new league year starts, so 618 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 7: we're a little early. I mean they have to be 619 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 7: aware of it, obviously, but he can't really because he's 620 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 7: still technically we're still technically in twenty Does that make sense. Yeah, 621 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 7: And so I'm not naive to think that that's not 622 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 7: on their mind, that that there's some idea of where 623 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 7: it what the ballpark is going to be, you know, 624 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 7: of where they're going to need to be. But I 625 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 7: think for him it's early to be talking about it 626 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 7: at this point until we get to the start of 627 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 7: the new league. 628 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did feel like, I mean, Rabel came out 629 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: and said it at the end of the season. It 630 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: felt like Rabel wasn't totally sold on him at the beginning, 631 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: and then we heard a different tone from him in 632 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: the playoffs. 633 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: Did you get that same vibe too? 634 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 7: How about you and me standing next to each other 635 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 7: in Denver, Tenver after the AFC Championship game doing the 636 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 7: interviews with coach and the players, and I think you 637 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 7: were right next to me when he said about Christian 638 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 7: Gonzales said maybe after the Baltimore game December twenty first, 639 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 7: if I have the date right off the top of 640 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 7: my head that he noticed a different player, a different approach, 641 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 7: or however he had said it. And my whole view 642 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 7: on this is we don't need to overcomplicate it. This 643 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 7: regime has to this point proven to us if you 644 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 7: have an elite player, like there's not really a question 645 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 7: like we want to keep them. And so I feel 646 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 7: like until they show us otherwise, like I'm not really 647 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 7: questioning where this is gonna go. Yeah, like I think 648 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 7: it's gonna happen. 649 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: I got one more for you, Mike. 650 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: It's we talk about the needs for the Patriots, and 651 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: it seems like everyone's like, well, they need a number one, 652 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, and we got Stefan Diggs last year. You know, 653 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: we had a really good year, tapered off towards the 654 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: end of middlely, but people are longing for this guy, 655 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: and now there seems like a significant portion that's like 656 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: we're done with him. And then the same other side 657 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: of their mouth, they're saying, but we need a number one. 658 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: And it just well who and how? 659 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: And it's just it's so hard and I'm getting so 660 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: frustrated because it just becomes they need number one, the 661 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: well who who? How do they get one of these 662 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: top five receivers in the league. They don't just grow 663 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: on cap. 664 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 7: I don't know how, you know't is it a trade 665 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 7: for someone like a Brian Thomas. That's one that just 666 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 7: sort of just throw it out there, right, If played 667 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 7: really well as a rookie, maybe not, the production wasn't 668 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 7: as great as second year, Would the Jaguars be willing 669 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 7: to part with them? And maybe for something reasonable? That 670 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 7: would be something I would consider too, But I'm just speculating. 671 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 7: I don't know anything about that. I think on Diggs, 672 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 7: follow the money, Like, isn't it that simple? Like he's 673 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 7: making this in twenty twenty five, it goes way up 674 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty six, the cap number goes way up, 675 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 7: and so the team has to just have a conversation 676 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 7: of do we want to move forward? Like so, I 677 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 7: always follow the money, and I don't know where it's 678 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 7: gonna head. 679 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 4: I thought he was this year. He did everything they 680 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: asked for. 681 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 7: He was great in the locker room, one of my 682 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 7: favorite personal players just because of his competitive spirit. 683 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: So I could see that going either way. Just to 684 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 4: be honest with you. 685 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: If there's one thing that they do in free agency 686 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: that would be a little splashy, a little exciting, where 687 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: do you kind of see position target anything like that. 688 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: That's a good one number one wide receiver, I know, right, 689 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: But I don't know. I'd just like to say it, yeah, 690 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 4: and he's going to get tagged and a J. 691 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: Brown wherever you want to talk. 692 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 4: About AJ Brown. 693 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: I know this is the time of year where you know, 694 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: we start talking about all these guys and then Kyle 695 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: Pitts gets the tag. It sounds like George Pickens is 696 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: going to get the tag, Alex Pearce is probably going 697 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: to get tagged, and they all just kind. 698 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 7: Of So So here's my hot take. I won't give 699 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 7: you a how many. Yeah, that's what it takes. If 700 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 7: there's a big splash, it wouldn't be free agency. It'd 701 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 7: be more of a trade, you know, like that that 702 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 7: idea of you never know what a team is willing 703 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 7: to move on from a player for. And I would say, 704 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 7: I don't see the Patriots doing a Micah Parsons or 705 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 7: a Sauce Gardner type trade. They're not giving up two 706 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 7: ones and a big contract. But if a team has 707 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 7: an attractive player that and I don't know if Quinn 708 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 7: Williams would be that level, but like a one and 709 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 7: maybe something else, Like I'm not saying I don't. I 710 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 7: don't think it's gonna happen. Like if you're asking me 711 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 7: to bet. Is that gonna happen? No, But but you 712 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 7: asked the question, like, what would be the splash? That 713 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 7: would be the splash without knowing that what another team 714 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 7: would be willing to give up a player for. Does 715 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 7: that make sense? 716 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 717 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean that's always this time of year, right, is 718 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: time conversations happen? 719 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 5: Right? 720 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: Who's the trade that's going to come out of nowhere 721 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: this offseason that we don't see coming because we talked 722 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: so much about Crosby and AJ Brown and those players, 723 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: But there's always one guy that's available that nobody even 724 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: knows about, and all of a sudden he's on a 725 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: different team. 726 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 7: Can we to Brian Thomas just for your opinion? One, 727 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 7: do you think he's a number one? 728 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: I think he's dynamic in the way of a number one. 729 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: But I get I get caught up that I have 730 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: a thing with number one to all this stuff, But 731 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: I think he's really you know, I'm looking at everything 732 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: through Drake now and what serves Drake downfield guys guys 733 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: that can separate downfield and make big plays, And I think, 734 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he would fit the mold. I 735 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: just don't know if he's going to scratch the itch 736 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: of we need a number one. Well, he's okay, he 737 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: had a good year, you know, but he's kind of 738 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: falling off recently. 739 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 7: I think you're right on Dous in terms of like 740 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 7: the expectation of what's possible. 741 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: What do you think of Brian? 742 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 2: I think the concern that I have with him is 743 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: more about some of the things that were on the 744 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: film last year in terms of effort, Like there were 745 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: times last year where the routes just didn't look like 746 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: he was kind of going through the paces a little 747 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: bit right where he wasn't showing great effort all the time. Now, 748 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: is Mike Rabel the exact kind of coach that is 749 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: going to hit the button and you know, get on 750 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: his butt to show that effort consistently. When they were, 751 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: you know, drafting Drake may I went down to LSU 752 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: as well for the pro day with Jayden Daniels, and 753 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels threw to Molik Neighbors and he threw to 754 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior at his pro day, and I just 755 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: remember thinking, these two guys are different, Like these guys 756 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: can run the you know just mentioned in the downfield ability, 757 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: the slot fade and you know those condensed phase by 758 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: those two guys probably their best routes. 759 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: Uh. 760 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: They they were, uh just majestic, Like you just watched 761 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: them move on the field and I was like, this 762 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: is this is different And so I would be for 763 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: it in that sense because I do think that he's 764 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: like a rare type of talent. I just wonder and 765 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: maybe the Patriots have the perfect head coach for it, 766 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: you know how it can Mike Rabel kind of get 767 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: him to give that Digs kind of effort because I 768 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: think that's the difference between Digs that people don't talk 769 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: enough about, is his competitiveness in his full tilt all 770 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: the time. Then somebody needs to get Brian Thomas Junior there, 771 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: and if you do, then I think you have like 772 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: a pro a thousand yard receiver. 773 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 7: So those are the fun things. So that's my hot take. 774 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 7: Thanks so much for sitting down with us. 775 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: I just talked to you at the Super Bowl. I 776 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: feel like we need to check in with you in 777 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. But enjoy the rest of the COMMA. 778 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: Great being with you guys. Thank you all right, great 779 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 4: stuff for Mike. 780 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: As always, I could sit and talk about we could 781 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: talk with Mike Reese for football forever. 782 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: I guess throwing Brian Thomas Junior out there, by the way. 783 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: I mean when Mike Resay I told this story, I 784 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: think at the Super Bowl when we had him on 785 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: a radio row. I was standing next to him in 786 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: Denver and the press conferences after the AFC Championship game, 787 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: and he asked Drake May about his shoulder, and I 788 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: was like, why is Mike Reae asking Drake May about 789 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: his shoulder? And then the whole shoulder gate you know, 790 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: comes after that. So he made him throwing Brian Thomas 791 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: Junior just on a whim out there. 792 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: I was like, noted, all right, I mean explosive player. 793 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, not not not not intriguing to add 794 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: that kind of skill set with with Drake May. But hey, 795 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: we are just getting started here at the Combine in 796 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: D day one in the books of positional groups, and 797 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: of course we've got workouts coming up, so you know 798 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be all over those. You're gonna write up 799 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, who's standing out, who's up maybe not working out. 800 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 2: Who has short arms, arms, short legs, long lends, medium legs. 801 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: We got it all for you folks. This week and 802 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: tomorrow we'll hear from the defensive backs. We'll be back 803 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: more interviews and more coverage here from the Combine in Indianapolis.