1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Unboss Creative, I'm Bridget Todd 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet. 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Social media platforms like TikTok and Facebook have finally banned violent, 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: misogynistic scam influencer Andrew Taine, and honestly, it should have 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: happened sooner now. If you don't know who Andrew Tait is, 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: don't worry. He went from being relatively obscure to seemingly 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: being everywhere on social media within a few months. Videos 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: featuring his name as a hashtag have been viewed over 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: thirteen billion times, and before it was shut down, his 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: TikTok account had over eleven billion views. He had four 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: million Twitter followers, four point seven million Instagram followers, almost 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, and millions and millions of 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: clicks and shares across Facebook. So who is Andrew Tate. Well, 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate is kind of like Joe Rogan on steroids. 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: Just like Rogan, At one time, Andrew Tate was a 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: professional martial artist, and also, like Rogan, Andrew Tate did 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: a stint in reality television. Tate was on Big Brother 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: in where he was known for being really respectful and 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: thoughtful of others. Oh wait, sorry, just kidding. It says 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: here he was actually known for homophobia and violence against 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: women after a video surface where he was beating a 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: woman with a belt while screaming at her quote, if 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: you ever message another guy whether we're together or not, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: you're fucking dead. Tate was kicked off Big Brother after 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: only being on the show for six days. Andrew Tate's 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: podcast is called Take Speech, and it's basically exactly what 28 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: you think it is. He's part of what we call 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: the man of Sphere, a loosely connected ecosystem of online 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: websites and influencers that traffic in misogyny and racism on 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: places like four Chan and Reddit. If you listen to 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: our episode with Laura Bates, a researcher and writer who 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: went undercover in the mano Sphere to research her book 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Men Who Hate Women, then you know exactly what I'm 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: talking about. So Andrew Tate's whole thing is these clips 36 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: of him speaking on his podcast wearing sunglasses and doors 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: you know, like you do, and smoking a cigar while 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: he basically says the most violent, sexist nonsense that makes 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: him sound like an alpha male like. Here is his 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: take on why he is anti breakfast. This is an 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: actual quote from him. I don't have food in the mornings. 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of breakfast, waking up from 43 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: sleep instantly with available food that you didn't have to 44 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: hunt and kill. Breakfast breathes arrogance and laziness. I will 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: not eat until work has been done. Instead, I start 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: my day with hunger and memories. My path to the 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: top wasn't a straight line. There's been bumps in the road, tears, blood. 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: I sit and remember the worst times of my life, 49 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: the pain and the heartache. Some mornings, if I try, 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: I can almost cry. I take all that anguish and 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: pain and then add a little nicotine and caffeine to 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: set my blood on fire, and I enter the world 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: ready to win life or die. While I'm trying, angry 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: men siege nations. I don't have time for cheerios. The 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: universe will pay me what she owes me, all the 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: money and power I deserve. So yes, sounds pretty healthy. 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: Definitely sounds like someone who is going to help the 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: start to the day and encouraging others to do the same. 59 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate's brand of hyper violence, toxic hyper masculinity, and 60 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: misogyny basically says that women are property of men. This 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: is something that he's actually said, and he advocates for 62 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: men using violence and relationships. He outright said that if 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: a woman ever asked him about cheating, he would physically 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: attack her. In a really good piece for Grid, reporter 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: Christian Thorsburg spoke to Josh Ross, a political sociologist and 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: senior research fellow at Deacon University in Melbourne, who says 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: that Tate represents a dramatic shift taking place in online misogyny, 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: moving beyond the sexualization and dismissal of women which much 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: of Tate's material promotes, to also encouraging gendered hate and violence. 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: So basically, it's not just men are better than women, 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: it's men are better than women, and therefore men should 72 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: be able to use violence in service of establishing and 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: maintaining that hierarchy. And this is even more troubling when 74 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: you consider that the majority of Tate's audience are young 75 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: men and boys. Teachers have been writing about how Andrew 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: Tate's popularity with boys has been creating problems and disturbances. 77 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: In their classrooms. So Tate is popular with boys, but 78 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: he's also really popular with young men who are just 79 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: starting to navigate their way into young adulthood. Going back 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: to Rus from that grid piece, Ruce also said, if 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: you want to know where Andrew Tate is gaining traction, 82 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: it's more likely to be the white collar sector. Among 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: educated younger men who work out at gym's on the 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: weekend or after work. Younger men are more likely to 85 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: hold anti women attitudes in terms of women's rights, that 86 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: women's rights has gone too far. So on top of 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: all of this, Andrew Tate is also a scammer. Let's 88 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: get that straight right away. He used to operate a 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: porn webcam business with his brother that his brother outright 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: described as quote a big scam, But that scam is 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: actually the least scammy scam that Andrew Tate is involved in, 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: because his whole thing, his whole ethos, his whole identity 93 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: is a scam. So I've actually written about the ways 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: that misogynistic podcasters and content creators and influencers who make 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: up the Manno sphere are all basically just scamming. They 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: prey on men and boys with low media literacy who 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: may feel lonely, get into their heads and convince them 98 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: to send over money. Podcasts like Fit and Fresh, the 99 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: late Kevin Samuel's they all basically convinced young men and 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: boys to send them lots and lots of money or 101 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: give them lots and lots of engagement in service of 102 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: learning how to become high value men. I actually wrote 103 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: a piece on this for the Nation, talking about the 104 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: Fresh and Fit podcast, which you can read in the 105 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: show notes. Let's take a quick break center back, so 106 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: let's talk about Andrew Tad's scam. Specifically, it is called 107 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: Hustlers University, where for the lolo cost of fifty dollars 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: a month, men and boys can learn about cryptocurrency from 109 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: three guys they Michael, Adam, and Daniel no less name given, 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and learn about just the general concept of quote freelancing 111 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: from Dylan and Colston no last name given. Also, given 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: that Andrew Tad's audience mostly includes young men and boys, 113 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: don't worry. According to Hustlers Universities, frequently asked questions it 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: is not a problem if you are not a legal adult, 115 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: because they have plenty of young guys inside of Hustlers 116 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: University who are below eighteen and are pulling in several 117 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month. Do you have access to the internet. 118 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: That's all you need. By the way, this is a 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: little bit nipicky, but I just have to say it. 120 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: On the Hustlers University website frequently ask questions, it says 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: that you do not need any money to start because 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: most of the Hustlers University students are doing freelance work, 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: and that freelance work does not require any money to do. 124 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: Take it from an actual, honest to god freelancer, this 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: is just incorrect financial advice. You absolutely need money to freelance. 126 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: And when their tax bill comes, I hope the people 127 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: who were told that they need zero dollars to freelance 128 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: are not surprised when the government expects him to pay 129 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: self employment taxes. So again, you can see how he's 130 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of praying on people who might not have a 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of financial literacy or media literacy. And it's awful. 132 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: And it gets worse because guess what. The entire thing 133 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: is basically a pyramid scheme. Like most pyramid schemes, the 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: courses aren't really the thing. The thing is getting. There's 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: to sign up for the courses. Students of the program 136 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: got a commission for convincing other dupes to join via 137 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: affiliate marketing. So just like lu La Row and every 138 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: other MLM scam that somebody from your high school message 139 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: you about on Facebook who was all like, hey, hon, 140 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: have you ever thought about starting your own business? I 141 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: think you would really slay at it. It's a scam, 142 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: and honestly probably a lucrative one. According to The Daily Beast, 143 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: the program had some a hundred and nine thousand members 144 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: before its closure. And this is actually why you might 145 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: know who Tate is because Tate specifically told his students 146 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: to flood social media with videos of his content to 147 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: promote his scam university. According to Hope Not Hate, a 148 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: UK based advocacy group that uses research to challenge mistrust 149 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: and racism, Tate tells his supporters they can earn significant 150 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: sums by sharing his videos. In one podcast, he claimed 151 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: that a sixteen year old hustler University student was making 152 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: forty five thousand pounds a month from publishing his clips 153 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: on the TikTok, which is basically how he gamified the program. 154 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Even though he's banned from TikTok his content is still 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: really prevalent there because his students just flood the space 156 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: with his content. And I think he definitely is someone 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 1: who needs social media. He's just game in the algorithms 158 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: because he knows that algorithms specifically boost inflammatory content. They 159 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: will always give content that is inflammatory or divisive more engagement. 160 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate was a banned from Twitter back in seventeen 161 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: over a thread commenting on Harvey Weinstein where he said quote, 162 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: if you put yourself in a position to be raped, 163 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: you must bear some responsibility. I'm not saying it's okay 164 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: you got raped. And TikTok took down Andrew Tate's account 165 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: for breaking its policies regarding quote content that attacks, threatens, 166 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: incites violence against for otherwise to humanize as an individual 167 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: or group based on attributes including sex. This is what 168 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: a TikTok spokesperson told The Washington Post. He was also 169 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: kicked off Facebook and Instagram for violating the rules around 170 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: dangerous organizations and individuals. But as always, let's not give 171 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: the platforms too much credit. Pretty much, whenever they decide 172 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: to remove somebody who is dangerous from their platform or 173 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: make any kind of policy change like this, it's typically 174 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: because of the work of organizers who have been pushing 175 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: them behind the scenes, and this time it's no different. 176 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: Hope not Hate filed a petition for platforms to drop 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate and has been monitoring him for years. So 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: great job to all the organizers who did the work 179 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: behind the scenes to make this happen. But also what 180 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: we learned from how Alex Jones uses Facebook. You might 181 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: remember that Mark Zuckerberg personally intervened so that even after 182 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: Alex Jones was banned from Facebook, he carved out a 183 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: loophole so that other people could still post his content 184 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: on the platform. Even though Tate has been banned from 185 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: these platforms, it might not actually even really matter if 186 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: his whole thing is having other people his students, post 187 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: his content on his behalf. And I also should just 188 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: probably note that in April, The Daily Beast reported that 189 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate's house in Romania was rated as part of 190 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: an investigation into crimes of human trafficking in rape. Tate 191 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: lives in Romania, and in a now deleted YouTube video, 192 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: he said that the reason why he moved there is 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: because Romanian police were less likely to pursue sexual assault allegations, 194 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, you tell me and to me, Andrew 195 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: Tate represents the mainstreaming of really violent, dangerous ideas and 196 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: rhetoric and those things, you know, not just being fringe 197 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: but flooding popular social media apps like TikTok. Tate has 198 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: also treated like a thought leader. He's given a huge 199 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: platform by popular podcasts like bar Stool, which gives him 200 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: a huge audience of a young man and boys and 201 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: hosts who really don't push back on any of the 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: dangerous things that he's saying. And overall, like I've said 203 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: time and time again, these people are all scam artists. 204 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: They do not care about their audience, They do not 205 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: care about the men and boys that they're talking to, 206 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: They do not care about the students of their so 207 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: called university. Ease to them, these men and boys and 208 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: their pain and loneliness and anger is just a tool 209 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: that can be exploited and weaponized to make more cash. 210 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: It is the most cynical, exploitative ship in the world 211 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: and it works. Listen. To be clear, I am not 212 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: against people asking tough questions and having the thorny media 213 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: conversations about relationships, sex and gender. In fact, I believe 214 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: that we need more people spearheading those conversations in meaningful 215 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: and thoughtful ways. But Andrew Tate is not actually interested 216 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: in men and boys having healthy relationships, because people who 217 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: are in healthy relationships do not send over fifty dollars 218 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: a month to a charlatan to teach them how to 219 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: be high value successful men. People like Tate need to 220 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: keep their audience of men and boys angry. They need 221 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: to stoke their feelings of loneliness and inadequacy and anger 222 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: and tell them to keep pointing those feelings at women 223 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: so they keep shelling over more money. So this is 224 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: my call to everyone listening. If you have a young 225 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: man or boy in your life, talk to them about 226 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: what kind of content they're consuming, talk to them about 227 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: what they think about women and girls, and you honestly 228 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: might be surprised. And it really really matters. The implications 229 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: are huge. Here's so Laura Bates, author of Men Who 230 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Hate Women, put it during our interview. We've never really 231 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: seen it because we are at the kind of hovering 232 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: on the edge of the first real generation coming of 233 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: age who have lived their whole lives on social media. 234 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: We have this kind of unique political moment that never 235 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: really gets picked up on this. I find it wild 236 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: that we're living at this moment in history has never 237 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: happened before and will never happen again, and yet it's 238 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: never really discussed where a generation of non digital natives 239 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: is parenting and educating a generation of digital natives, and 240 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: there is this chasm, there, this huge gap in culture 241 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: and understanding of what their world is like, what the 242 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: day to day landscape of their online world is like 243 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: amongst parents who grew up in a pre Internet age, 244 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: and that general Asian will becoming of age, and what 245 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: will that look like when our political representatives are being 246 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: drawn from a generation who have literally grown up with 247 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: the sheer daily bombardment of racism and misogyny and transphobia 248 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: that comes with living your life on the Internet in 249 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: the way that young people do today. And I don't 250 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: think we'll know what that looks like until we get there, 251 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: and I think when we do, it will be a shock. 252 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: But for now, Andrew Tate, good riddens. And if this 253 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: means I have to see you one last video of 254 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: a guy wearing sunglasses inside and smoking a cigar on 255 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: my for you page, I'll take it. If you're looking 256 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: for ways to support the show, check out our work 257 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: store at tangdi dot com. Slash store. Got a story 258 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: about an interesting thing in tech, or just want to 259 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: say hi? 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