1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: This is it could Happen Here. I'm Garrison Davis. This 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a bit of an update 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: and an interview regarding the Defend the Atlanta Forest and 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Cops City movement that's been ongoing for almost two years now. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: If you're unfamiliar with the topic, I made a three hour, 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: two part deep dive last May titled on the Ground 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: at Defend the Atlanta Forest that you can find up 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: on the it could Happen Here feed and I've been 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: doing random updates, like in our History of the Old 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Atlanta Prison Farm episodes from last August. But the t 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: l d R is that the City of Atlanta and 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: the corporate funded Atlanta Police Foundation are trying to tear 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: down a large section of the Woolwanee or South River 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Forest into Cab County to construct a massive, ninety million dollar, militarized, 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: state of the art police training facility, complete with a 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: mock city. On top of that, Ryan millsaps Black Hall 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Movie Studios are planning to cut down an adjacent section 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: of the very same forest to expand their film production 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: studio in a shady land swap deal that's currently the 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: subject of a lawsuit. The past couple of weeks have 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: seen a massive increase in the intensity of repression efforts 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: by the state and local police inside Atlanta and Decap 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: County against the Cops City movement and people in the 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: forest encampments trying to prevent the construction of the police 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: training facility. Last month, on a December there was a 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: raid on the forest by a task force of local, 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: state and federal law enforcement. Police were shooting pepperballs, rubber 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: tipped metal impact rounds, and tear gas canisters into the woods. 29 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: They destroyed treehouses while people were still inside, and tour 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: part other infrastructure, like the communal kitchen that was built 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: inside the forest to support the encampment. Police fired chemical 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: weapons at tree sitters, arrested multiple people, and pushed others 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: out of the forest at gunpoint. One of the things 34 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: setting this apart from previous raids is that six people 35 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: have now been charged with domestic terrorism as well as 36 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: a number of other felonies. The people charged were initially 37 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: denied bail and essentially held as political prisoners for trespassing 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: in a forest, with the terrorism enhancement charge added on top. 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation alleges quote several people through 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: rocks at police cars and attacked E m T s 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: outside the neighboring fire stations with rocks and bottles. Task 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: Force members used various tactics to arrest individuals who are 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: occupying makeshift treehouses unquote. The Georgia Department of Homeland Security, 44 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: which was formed as the result of a seen bill, 45 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: which is also responsible for the expanded definition of domestic terrorism, 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: has chose to designate the Defend the Atlanta Forest as 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: quote domestic violent extremists unquote, which has led the state 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Attorney General's office to also get involved in the case. 49 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it's worth mentioning that this seventeen domestic Terrorism 50 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Bill was first passed by the Georgia legislature in response 51 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: to the neo Nazi Dylan Roof mass shooting at Emmanuel 52 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, which killed 53 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: nine people. So now we have this law allegedly created 54 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: in response to a murderous white supremacist targeted attack against 55 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: black people, now being used for the first time as 56 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: a bludgeon against anti racist protesters who are fighting again 57 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: the expansion and further militarization of police facilities. This is 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: a reminder that any expansion of state power will always 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: come down the hardest on people who are actually pushing 60 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: back against the power structures of the state, like the police. 61 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: After being held in jail for two weeks, on December, 62 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: the six people were finally granted bail, but as of 63 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: two days later, the jail was refusing to comply and 64 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: release someone, instead saying that they will be quote held 65 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: well the prosecutor add additional charges unquote. This abnormality was 66 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: soon resolved and by December all six people charged were 67 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: released on bail thanks to the Solidarity Fund, everyone who donated, 68 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: and people working jail support. Our interview today will be 69 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: focusing on the jail support aspect and bail Fund organizing 70 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: and for note, this interview was conducted prior to the 71 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: release of the Forest Defenders. With me here today is 72 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: James and Ralph. James is from the Atlanta Anti Repression 73 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: Committee and Ralph is from the Solidarity Fund. Greetings, thank you, 74 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me here, thank you for having us. 75 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: Good to be here. So first I would like to 76 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: see if, if if either of you have any kind 77 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: of extra input on what's happened the past few weeks 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: and how you think, I mean, I can't I can't 79 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: quite ask you why because you're obviously not not the police, 80 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: but like, what what might be some reasons for some 81 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: of the some of the increased repression and to use 82 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: extremely extremely high charges being levied at people at this 83 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: point in the movement. Yeah, they are extremely high charges. 84 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: They're really unprecedented charges in the state of Georgia. I 85 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: don't think that does the best in the entire questions 86 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: based I've really ever seen anything like this being used 87 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: against protest series and I think the reason why it's 88 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: pretty clear. And I think that that reason is because 89 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: there's been an extremely effective social movements that's involved thousands 90 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: of people from Atlanta and from across the country over 91 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: the last year and a half two years that have 92 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: brought a serious challenge against a very unpopular proposal from 93 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: the city to build a police mega mega compounds. And 94 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: I think that the police and various other agencies that 95 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: they're working with, the Atlanta Police, the Atlanta Police Foundation, 96 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: the Georgia Bureau Investigation, that the Cap County Police Department, 97 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: all of these different agencies, I think at this point 98 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: are are are really frustrated. And I think that really 99 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: shows up in the charges that they've given people, because 100 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: where we're talking about are people who have been literally 101 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: pulled out of tree sets. Like this is the most 102 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: like classic example of you know, non violent direct action 103 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: civil disobedience you can think of, and you have people 104 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: who are allegedly being pulled out of tree sets in 105 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: charge with them to terrorism, and I think that really 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: shows it's both very very scary in terms of the 107 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: severity of the charges, but it also has like an 108 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: element of just being a little ridiculous in in terms 109 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: of using these types of charge. You know, they make 110 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: you think of like you know, the school shootings or 111 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, like nine eleven or something like this, like 112 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: like these are the sorts of things that come to 113 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: mind when you think of domestic terrorism. And yet what 114 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about here is people who are allegedly being 115 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: pulled out of out of tree sets after you know, 116 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: being shot at with pepper balls and tear gasper and 117 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: um hours on end before they before they were pulled down. 118 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: And I think that then the point of that is 119 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: to scare people. It's because they are having a very 120 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: difficult time, um gaining any sort of public support or 121 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: sympathy for this project. And I think they're they're just 122 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: really out of out of loss, and so that what 123 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: they need right now is they need to scare people. 124 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: They need to shut down this special isn't it by 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: whatever means that they have available, And right now they're 126 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: The technique that they're employing is just fear. And so 127 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: the point of this is to have a chilling effect. 128 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: It's to say that anybody who is protesting, who is 129 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: a part of this social movement, could be liable to 130 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: extremely extremely heavy charges. And that's what they're banking on. 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: They want people to be scared. They want to separate 132 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: out people from from the movement who feel like they 133 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: can no longer participate because the charges or the potential 134 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: repression is too severe. They want to be able to 135 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: scare away people that support the movement by saying, look, 136 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: you're supporting a terrorist movement. You're supporting something that is 137 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: h extreme to to some crazy degree, but we know 138 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: what the what the the real extreme position here is 139 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: that they know that the city doesn't want this. They've had, 140 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, countless protests and all sorts of different different 141 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: examples of just public outcry into this projects, and they 142 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: proceeded with it anyway, and so now they're forced to 143 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: be in this aste where they gonna have to they're 144 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: gonna have to use whatever sort of are they uh, 145 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: violence or force or like extreme charges to shut it down. Yeah, 146 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Department since has had a huge, like 147 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: the largest in the country by percentage, budgetary increase granted 148 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: by the city. And this was done after the most 149 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: amount of public comment there ever was in the history 150 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: of city council, which was all done to say, to 151 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: lower the police budget, to to defund the police as 152 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: it were, and to send put that money to other use. 153 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: And then the second most amount of public comment the 154 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: city Council has ever received was seventeen hours of public 155 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: comment were over sevent the respondents were saying to not 156 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: build cops city. They the Atlanta Police Foundation, the Atlanta 157 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: Police Department in the City of Atlanta, does not listen 158 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: to the popular will from below from the people that 159 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: they edge to represent. But all of this pressure, the 160 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: pressure to to charge non violent protesters with domestic terrorism 161 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: is coming from their corporate their corporate sponsors. It's coming 162 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: from BB and T, It's coming from BAC of America, A, 163 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: T and T, Equifax, the Arthur Blank, Arthur Blank, who 164 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: is the billionaire who runs home Depot. Uh, it's it's 165 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: coming from the people they actually represent, which is their 166 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: corporate backers. They're there seven months behind on this project. Uh, 167 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: grass Field and Gory, the company that is the general 168 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: contractor who also funds the APF. They're all certainly behind doors, 169 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: being like, what's going on. We're seven months behind on 170 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: this project. Why have we not broken ground yet? And 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: they're still being denied the land the land of sturbants 172 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: permits because there they can't get their own act together. 173 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: They can't prove that this would be an environmentally friendly 174 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: thing to do because it's simply escent. It's leveling over 175 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: acres of land of forested land. And instead they just 176 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: try to use brute force because that is what the 177 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: state knows how to do. They know to use brute force, 178 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: and then they want to put up trumped up charges 179 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: onto onto onto random people who they are trying to 180 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: tend the whole movement on when the movement is thousands 181 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: of people all over the city and all over the country. Yeah, 182 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: from like the from some of the recent some of 183 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: the recent hearings, and based on the based on the 184 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: DHS documents, they're they're really trying to do the thing 185 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: where they frame an autonomous, decentralized movement as a group, 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: and if you're part of a group, that means that 187 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: you're you know, involved in in, you know, the domestic 188 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: violent extremist group, which is just not how these types 189 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: of things work. It's same thing that the right has 190 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: been trying to label things like quote unquote Antifa as 191 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: for years. Some prosecutors and cities around the country have 192 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: tried to try to charge people with similar kind of 193 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: domestic terrorism or like gang violence charges due to their 194 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: involvement with the Antifa group. Um, And it's the same. 195 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: It's the same tactic here and trying to frame a 196 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: decentralized movement as like an organized group of people. And 197 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: it seems like one aspect for why this is happening 198 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: is like, like some of you have have mentioned, it's 199 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: it's in the form of like a deterrent. Right, They're 200 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: trying to scare people away, saying that if you associate 201 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: with this movement, we could we will charge you with terrorism. Right. 202 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's this, it's this thing to try 203 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: to push people away, UM, try to try to try 204 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: to prevent anyone else from from organizing in any capacity 205 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: or just showing up on like just just showing up 206 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: to the forest. It's it's it's pretty comical, but it's 207 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: also quite quite frightening and in some ways, which is 208 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: which is part of the intention, part of why I 209 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: wanted to talk with with both of you here today 210 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: is to kind of discuss the role of both the 211 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: Solidarity Fund and Anti Repression Organizing UM and just discussed 212 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: the role of that and in how they support like 213 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: activism movements and how they support UM land defense movements 214 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: like like like in the case of Defend the Atlanta Forest, 215 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, what what what kind of what the role 216 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: of of this type of organizing is in AH, in 217 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: the context of this this type of activism. I guess, uh, 218 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: let's let's start with Let's start with the Solidarity Fund, 219 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: because that was you know, one of the things that 220 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: I saw in the aftermath of these charges in the 221 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: raid is a lot of calls to doing it, to 222 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: doing it, to the Solidarity Fund to help people out 223 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: who have been hit with these outrageous charges. So, uh, 224 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: I guess A Ralph, we talked a little bit about 225 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: some of some of you know, what what the Solidarity 226 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: Fund is and and uh and kind of how how 227 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: this how this type of organizing operates. Yeah, for sure. 228 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: So the Atlanta Solidarity Fund formed just to have a 229 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: bit of context for the organization. We formed in two 230 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen in the lead up to a um count 231 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: counter demonstration against uh some Ku Klux Klan members who 232 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: were trying to burn a cross on Stone Mountain in 233 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: two thousands sixteen. This was like after a sequence of 234 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: them having protests there after the Dylan Roof massacre, and 235 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: people organized a counter demo, and we thought it would 236 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: be intelligent to form a bail fund in case anyone 237 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: got arrested, because in the past bail funds in Atlanta 238 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: like refused to bail out anyone who they like deemed 239 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: as committing crimes that they deemed violent. Uh. And we 240 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to create a veil fund that does not discriminate 241 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: against activists based on what the state alleges that they 242 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: did or did not do. And we formed in that 243 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and like after that, we would at different protests throughout 244 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: the years, we would buil people out. We would fund 245 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: raised to get them lawyers and we would support them 246 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: however we could, like organizing court vigils um and court support, 247 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and then and also suing the police like countersuing them 248 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: for when they did like agree justus acts of police 249 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: brutality or intimidation. And then in with the George Floyd uprising, 250 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: we went from being a like small bail fund to 251 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: um getting widespread support. We got tens of thousands of 252 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: people donating money to us, and in Atlanta, over nine 253 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: people were arrested by the police that summer, and you know, 254 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: we supported all of them, all the ones who are 255 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: not giving signature bond. We bailed out all the ones 256 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: that were given signature bond, and all the other ones. 257 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: We got them lawyers and we have been supporting them 258 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: every step in the way. A few of them have 259 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: sadly gone to prison, and we support them financially while 260 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: they're in prison. Were like putting money on their promissary 261 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: every month, and we uh pay like help them out 262 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: with their phone calls, and we set aside money for 263 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: when they get out there. You won't just be in 264 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: destitute poverty, which is like what usually happens to people 265 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: who have to have sit in prison UM and in 266 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: the case of the Defend the Atlanta Forest movement, we've 267 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: supported it UM through anti repression by when people get arrested, 268 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: getting them lawyers, failing them out and UM when there's 269 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: been like door knocks or whatever from law enforcement agencies, 270 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: we have lawyers who will represent them as well, because 271 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: oftentimes those people aren't given charges, but they're being intimidated 272 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: by law enforcement, and when you get a lawyer in 273 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: between them, that intimidation normally stops. UH. And we also 274 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: do jail support for anyone who has to like when 275 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: they get in jail, they have a number that they 276 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: can call us and we can help get them out UM. 277 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: And for the six people who are currently charged with 278 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: domestic terrorism as at the time of this recording, they're 279 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: currently locked up and we are supporting them and we've 280 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: hired lawyers to advocate for them at their bail at 281 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: their next bail hearing UM and hopefully we will get 282 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: them out and they will not have to sit in 283 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: jail during their pre trial. We're a volunteer organization, like 284 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: none of us are paid to do this. UH. We 285 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: do this because we believe in UM the power of 286 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: like liberatory social movements and we want to support those 287 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: movements and give them strength. Yeah, because I would say, 288 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of you know, relatively 289 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: big cities around the state's how some form of jail 290 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: support organization, whether it be formal or informal um And 291 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: it's it's this type of organizing which happens kind of 292 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: on the periphery of a lot of these types of movements, right, 293 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: It's not it's it's not the it's not the like 294 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: excitement of throwing back a tear gas canister at a cop. 295 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: It's it's all of the things that happen afterwards that 296 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: can can assist people who are who are facing like 297 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: in some cases, very significant state state repression. And it's 298 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: definitely it's not it's not the most flashy work, but 299 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: it is, I would argue as pretty crucial to any 300 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: to any type of like functioning like system that allows 301 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: protests to happen as a part of democracy, is a 302 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: part of you know, long term revolutionary strategy, whatever kind 303 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: of whatever kind of ideology you have, These these types 304 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: of these types of like peripheral jail support and bails 305 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: fund organizings. It's definitely just as crucial as a lot 306 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of like the on the ground support 307 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: stuff like you know, bringing water bottles or you know, 308 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: helping up people in the moment totally, Like every movement 309 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: needs a rear guard, Like it needs people like the 310 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: people who are out protesting and organizing there on the 311 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: front lines, and we're able to be the rear guard 312 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: or like when the state does attack, like we're able 313 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: to like not have them be completely taken out of 314 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: the field, Like they're able to get back and we're 315 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: able to support them and able to keep people safe 316 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: from like police repression and from what essentially amounts to 317 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: like legal kidnapping and like torture in the carceral state. Yeah, 318 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: and I mean in some cases, like in Portland, that's 319 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: it's very much was a legal kidnapping, something that people 320 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: are still are still dealing with on the on the 321 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: on like the jail support side and helping people out 322 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: with with you know, making sure that the state cannot 323 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: get away with stuff like this um because they the 324 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: thing they want the most is for nobody to push 325 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: back on it, because that means they have permission to 326 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: do it in the future without you know, without any 327 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: possible consequence or even even like even like any like 328 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: attempt at consequence. How could so I know like that Nope, 329 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of cities have have jail support stuff. Um. 330 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: A lot of this is also run on donations. What 331 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: are what are some ways that people could could assist 332 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: in these types of things? Um? Obviously people can donate 333 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: to bail funds um. And I think there's a lot 334 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: of I mean, even even just showing up outside of 335 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: jail or prison after these types of events is something 336 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: that that happens a lot in terms of in terms 337 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: of ways to kind of start getting plugged in in 338 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: this in this type of like peripheral bail fund and 339 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: jail support organizing totally. Yeah, I mean people should should 340 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: donate to their local bail funds uh and even become 341 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: like reoccurring donators. But people can like join jail support teams. 342 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: There's like we in Atlanta, we have a training and 343 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: it can get you trained on how to be a 344 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: jail support person. And yeah, we have like once you're 345 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: plugged in, you can like do jail and jail vigil 346 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: like for when people get out so that they're not alone. 347 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: Jails are often not always, but often like in like 348 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: remote areas of the city or even outside of the city, 349 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: so like it can be hard to like get get 350 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: a bus back, so you can offer them rides back. 351 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: You can get plugged into do in court support and 352 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: like currently the six people charge of domestic terrorism are 353 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: like being denied bail. Hopefully that will change. But in 354 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: the case of like people being held, Uh, you can 355 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: write post cards or letters to people and let them 356 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: know that there are people on the outside who support them. 357 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: If you're in an area that like doesn't have that 358 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have a group that um helps people out who 359 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: are like who are having to sit in jail, Like 360 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: you can put money on their commissary uh directly, and 361 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: you can write to them, and you can send them books. Uh. 362 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: And in the sense of like people showing up pretty 363 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: immediately outside of the jail, Like it is really inspiring. Uh. 364 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: What happened the day Uh in the evening after the 365 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: six after the first five people were arrested. Uh that 366 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: that evening, like a crowd of dozens of people showed 367 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: up outside of the Cab County jail and had a 368 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: noise demo to like make noise outside of the jail 369 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: to let the five know that they were not alone 370 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: and that there's people outside who support them. Now, I 371 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: think we will shift the conversation over to James. James, 372 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: you're with the Atlanta Anti Repression Committee. We've already talked 373 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: about the role of these ridiculous charges as a repression method. 374 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: Could you briefly explain what the Atlanta Anti Repression Committee 375 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: is and its role in the periphery of these on 376 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: the ground decentralized movements. Yeah. Sure, So the Atlanta Antire 377 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Repression Committee is a group that started in in the 378 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: aftermath at the George Floyd protests, and we started because 379 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: we recognized that there was a need for a kind 380 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: of specific type of uh antire repression work to be done, 381 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: which is to say that there's a lot of um, 382 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's like the bulk of anti repression, and 383 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: you know that the single most important thing is keeping 384 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: people safe, right, and so what that entails is a 385 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: lot of legal defense for people that are arrested, people 386 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: that are incarcery, to people that are imprisoned as a 387 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: result of their activity and protest movements and social movements, um, 388 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: fighting for you know, liberation. That said, um, there's also 389 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: a whole a whole other type of work that needs 390 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: to be done, which is the sort of what we 391 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: like to call political defense. So in other words, we 392 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: want to see these movements continue, we want to see 393 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: these movements grow, and we want to see these movements 394 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: be the powerful. And a part of that is understanding 395 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: the specific mechanisms of repression and fighting back against the 396 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: narratives that are being used against protesters in the media. 397 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: So a lot of what we do is media work, um, 398 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things that you know, once 399 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: you're once you're arrested as a part of a protest movement, 400 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things you can't say, um, But 401 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that need to be said, um, 402 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: namely that people that have been arrested, whether we're talking 403 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: about people in the Black Lives Matter movement or in 404 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: the Defensive Forest movement today, are fighting for a just cause. 405 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: These people should be doing what they're doing, and that's 406 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: something that that that needs to be spread as as 407 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: far and wide as possible. Um. And so we do 408 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: a lot of media work to to to justify and 409 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: support not just the individual protesters, but the things that 410 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: they're fighting for. And then we also do a lot 411 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: of essentially research and analysis to understand the overall patterns 412 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: of repression as they play out, and and so that's 413 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: something that's like that's really interesting, particularly in this case 414 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: because you know, I said, we've never seen this before 415 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: in Georgia, but we have seen this before. We've seen 416 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: exactly these tactics be used against you know, protesters in 417 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: the Standing Rock movement. We've seen it used in the 418 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Green Scare, against the Earth Liberation Front, against Earth First. 419 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: We've seen these movements like over and over again come 420 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: up against this this giant wall, which is these these 421 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: sorts of charges accusing people of terrorism. And so part 422 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: of what we do is analyze what those what those 423 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: strategies are and try to publicize them, try to help 424 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: people to understand, um, because it's it's the the agencies 425 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: that were up against the all these different wings of 426 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: the state and their corporate factors. As Ralph was saying, 427 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: they have an institutional memory. They are able to look back, 428 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years in the past and be like, Okay, 429 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: there was a social movement over here, um, and we 430 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: were able to stop it because we did this, this 431 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: and this, and they're able to have that that sort 432 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: of memory to go back and look at those tactics. 433 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: And part of the goal of depression is to cut 434 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: people out of social moments, to cut off this sort 435 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: of generational understanding of the dynamics of repression. And so 436 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: we want to we want to increase our our capacity, 437 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: as people who are invested in seeing social movements succeeded UM, 438 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: be able to understand these sorts of repressive tactics and 439 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: develop strategies against them. And I say that because we 440 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: see repression as being a part of social movements. There 441 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: are no social events that are successful that don't encounter REFRESHIMAN. 442 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: So we have a we have a strong need to 443 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: be able to understand the specific mechanisms of state repression, 444 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: how they were, how different agencies work, how the specific 445 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: laws work UH, and to be able to disseminate that 446 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: information for and why, both within movements and also within 447 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the mainstream media. At the public event, one of the 448 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: sheriff's involved in the involved in the raid against the 449 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: forest offenders UH suggested that because because one of them 450 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: is from California and is in Atlanta, that makes him 451 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: a terrorist. This is utterly absurd, Like we live in 452 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: one country like we're allowed, we have the freedom to travel, 453 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: and we have the unlike the police, we regular people 454 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: have solidarity and can and have empathy and can see 455 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: our own interests in other struggles that take place elsewhere, 456 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: and that it is a noble thing to be like 457 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: I have to go somewhere support to participate. Uh. And 458 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: this is not something that should be discouraged. And this 459 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: is not terroristic. This is a sign of the beautifulness 460 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: of human empathy and the ability to see yourself in others. 461 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: And this is what the police lack. That's That's definitely 462 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: something I wanted to bring up at some point because 463 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: this is this is a tactic that we've seen both 464 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police, Foundation of the City Council and you know, 465 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: right wing propagandists like Andy no have have have tried 466 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: to frame this, have tried to frame this in terms 467 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: of like the the outside agitator's angle um there. And 468 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: you see in all of and all of the all 469 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: of the arrest reports um that that that get published, 470 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: one of the things they emphasize is that the that 471 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: people arrested, some of them have been born in other states. 472 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: They always they always mentioned the state that this first 473 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: and was born in um, which is just a ridiculous 474 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: notion that people don't have the freedom to move around 475 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: the country. Uh, absolutely absurd that that that that people 476 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: don't have the freedom to move around to places and 477 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: choose where where they want to live. So they're framing 478 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: they're framing people who are arrested that were that happened 479 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: to be born in other places. They're they're they're they're 480 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: using this as a in terms of like the outside 481 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: agitator angle to be like people are are coming into 482 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta to try to you know, so chaos and disorder 483 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: within our city. Um and look they're they're pulling out 484 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: people from all from all around the country. Then they're 485 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: trying to you know, frame it in this like very 486 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: conspiratorial lens um. And that's just that that is that 487 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: is that is something that I've also noticed and and 488 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: found to be uh a quite interesting tactic. I mean, 489 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: I would they definitely wanted to be an effective strategy 490 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: in terms of the outside agitator angle of of you know, 491 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: people coming coming in from out of state to get 492 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: to get involved in this group, this this Antifa alligned 493 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: to terrorist group. As someone like Andy no would say, Uh, 494 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's it's purely it's purely a propaganda 495 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: tactic because it relies on the notion that people can't 496 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: move around the country and decide where they want to live, uh, 497 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: which obviously, which obviously is an absurd notion. Um. And 498 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: I think as as as you said, it also kind 499 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: of you know, the other side of this is that 500 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: it highlights the kind of the beautiful nature of being 501 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: able to choose where you want to go and choose 502 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: to get involved in things that you feel are important, 503 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: even if they aren't in the current place where you 504 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: are living. Just to add a little bit to this, 505 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: like it's crazy, because it's like the when you read 506 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: the reports in the news of the people that they arrest, 507 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: they always make it a point to talk about people 508 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: from out its own and they always seem to omit 509 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: the people that are from Atlanta that they've arrested. And 510 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: not that I'm advocating that they should be publicizing, you know, 511 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: these people at all, but it's just to highlight that 512 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: what they're doing is a propaganda tactic. And I think 513 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: it it has has really fallen on their face in 514 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: Atlanta because you know, Atlanta is a city that's famous 515 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: for the civil rights movement. Like we're talking about freedom writers, 516 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about people from all over the South, from 517 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: all over the country coming to you know, Martin Luther 518 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: King went to Solma, he's from Atlanta. You know, this 519 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: type of this type of logic just doesn't really doesn't 520 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: really seem to work here, and it's really bizarre to 521 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: see them try to use it over and over and 522 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: over again. It's really just like a failed playbook at 523 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: this point, within the context of both how the repression 524 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: against they defend the Atlanta Force movement has evolved and 525 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: where it's at now with what's happened in the past 526 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: few weeks, and then also considering the types of analysis 527 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: of past ecological and resistance movements that we've seen, how 528 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: do you see some of the repression by the state 529 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: evolving as the Atlanta four stuff continues. Well, I think 530 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: that that overall, with respect to social movements, we've seen 531 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: an increase in this this type of charge that as 532 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: Ralph was sort of getting at, it's it's a it's 533 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's a type of charge that criminalizes your 534 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: participation in in a in a group or in a 535 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: social invement um. And so if you look at the 536 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: specific warrants that are used again some of these people 537 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: that they just arrested, um, you know, I'm thinking of 538 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: one in particular where it goes into detail and it says, 539 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: this person is accused of being a part of a 540 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: domestic violence a domestic violent extremist movement called Defend the 541 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta Forest, and they're responsible for all of these acts 542 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: of all of these different crimes from trespassing to UH 543 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: to arson or whatever, you know. And so they lump 544 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: this all together or they say that an autonomous social 545 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: movement is a coherent organization. And then they say that 546 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: the individual that they arrested UH confirmed their participation in 547 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: this group called Defend the Atlanta Forest by sitting in 548 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: a treehouse and wearing camouflage. This is absurdum, because there's 549 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: there's no evidence in in this in this example that 550 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: this particular person or any of these people have anything 551 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: to do with any of these other crimes that they 552 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: are alleging were a part of this movement. So what 553 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: they're doing instead, they know that they can't arrest them 554 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: for that, But what they're doing instead is they're coming 555 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: at it from this legal angle, where they're saying, this 556 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: movement as a whole is a discrete group. This group 557 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: is an extremist group, and so your participation in anything 558 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: that seems like it's a part of this group is 559 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: criminal in and of itself, and in this case, terrorists 560 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: in and of itself. And this is a really disturbing 561 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: trend that we've seen in over the last few years, 562 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: with the increase in the use of conspiracy chart is, 563 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: with the increase in the use of rico charges, racketeering charges, 564 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: and the point of all of these different legal strategies 565 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: is to hold people accountable for crimes that they did 566 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: not do. And that's exactly what we're seeing now with 567 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: the six people that they just arrested. They want to 568 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: hold these people accountable and make them martyrs for an 569 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: entire movement that's involved hundreds and thousands of people doing 570 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: all sorts of things criminal or otherwise. And that is 571 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: a disturbing trend um and and it's it's especially disturbing 572 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: because if you look at the way that the the 573 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: laws written in Georgia with respect to domestic terrorism, so 574 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: that's an that's an enhancement charge. It means that you 575 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: have to be arrested for another crime, for example, in 576 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: in in the in the example of the people that 577 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: they just arrested felony trust passing, they add in a 578 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: domestic terrorism enhancement charge to it. And the justification for 579 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: this domestic and domestic terrorism enhancement charge is to basically 580 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: saying that they were attempting to change governmental policy by intimidation, 581 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: which is an interesting way of staying protesting is illegal. 582 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: All protests involves trying to change governmental policy. That is 583 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: what protesting is, and what they what they are attempting 584 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: to do now with these charges is to reframe that 585 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 1: entirely and say that that is terrorism and that is uh, 586 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of it's we're on a tricky 587 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: slope right now, because it's like, on the one hand, 588 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: we need to recognize that these charges are absurd and 589 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: they very likely won't stand up in court because they're 590 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: very clearly unconstitutional at the very least, So we need 591 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: to not be afraid of them on the one hand, 592 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: and to show how absurd they are. On the other hand, 593 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: we should take this as a serious threat to social 594 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: movements all across the United States, in all different sorts 595 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: of fields and areas and different different types of fights 596 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: for for for different different sorts of things to say like, wow, 597 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: this is a huge, huge stretch that they're trying to 598 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: pull here because they have seen like in the last 599 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: few decades, like a tremendous amount of polarization in America 600 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: all sorts of social news ments that involve you know, 601 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter was twenty million people. Are these people 602 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: all terrorists? And and so that's why it's important to 603 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: pay attention to what's happening now in Atlanta with the 604 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: struggle to attend the Atlanta Forest and the charges that 605 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: they're putting against these people, because if they can succeed 606 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: with this type of charge, that's a very very dangerous 607 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: precedent for people who are part of all sorts of 608 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: social movements, and not just the left wing either. You know, 609 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: there's a part of this that's like since the January 610 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: six the you know, so called insurrection, however you want 611 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: to however you want to characterize that, there's been a 612 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: tremendous push by the federal government too to crack down 613 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: on social movements. They see this as like threats to 614 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: into their stability that there are you know situations where 615 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: there's thousands or millions of people who are participating in 616 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: in all different sorts of social movements and they need 617 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: to send a clear message that people should not be 618 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: out protesting. Thank you both for talking with me today. UM. 619 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: Where could people both learn more about your respect to organizations? 620 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: And then also how can people support force defenders who 621 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: are facing the increasingly harsh state repression. You could visit 622 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: the just like Google or look up on any of 623 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: the major social media platforms Atlanta Solidarity Fund UH and 624 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: you could read go to our website UM. And if 625 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: you want to support any force defenders who are facing 626 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: serious charges, UM, you donate money or you could write 627 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: write them UM postcards or if you could send them 628 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: books that they've requested UM and when court dates are. 629 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: When court dates come up, we'll probably publicize those so 630 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: that people can come out and UM show show their 631 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: support and solidarity the people facing charges. And you could 632 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: come out to UH do court support and you can 633 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: get involved in the movement yourself if you UH feel 634 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: so inclined now, Yeah, and I'll just add to that. 635 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: The Aliena Entire Repression Committee can be found on Instagram. 636 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 1: You can look it up. Uh, and and just generally speaking, 637 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: this is something that people need to talk about. So 638 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: any chance that you have to talk about to explain 639 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: what's happening in Atlanta, to put a giant light on 640 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: this situation, because everybody needs to be paying attention to 641 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: this because this is not just uh, you know, as 642 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: as as people and that defend the force women say, 643 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: it's not just a local issue. Their national and even 644 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: international complications for this type of stuff. And and that's 645 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: also true with regards to repression. If they can succeed 646 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: with these charges here, that's a that's a major death 647 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: blow too to all sorts of social movements, and they'll 648 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: they'll be trying to export this tactic elsewhere. We think 649 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: it won't stick, but we think it's extremely important for 650 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: people to be talking about it and to make this 651 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: uh the national issue that we recognize that it is. 652 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: Some of those links we will also be putting in 653 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: the description below. The day that this episode is being 654 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: released just happens to be Martin Luther King Junior Day. 655 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: And also it's the last day in a weekend of 656 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: solidarity to stop Cops City. This past weekend, there's been 657 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: events gatherings, actions, and rallies in Atlanta and across the 658 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: country in support for the Stop Cops City movement and 659 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: the six individuals facing domestic terrorism charges. On Saturday, I 660 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: saw pictures of a huge banner hanging outside of a 661 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: squat in France in solidarity with Atlanta and struggles to 662 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: defend the Atlanta Forest. It seems the extremely high charges 663 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: in Georgia have not dissuade people from across the country 664 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: from engaging in direct action. In December, at list construction 665 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: offices one of the contractors working on Cops City were 666 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: attacked in Manhattan and Michigan in solidarity with those arrested 667 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: defending the Wilani Forest. On January five, a construction site 668 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: and office is for Brassfield and Gory, the main contractors 669 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: currently working on Cops City, were attacked by anarchists in 670 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: South Florida, according to a statement published on the website 671 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: scenes dot no blogs dot org, and just days earlier, 672 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: another post on the site claimed credit for setting fire 673 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: to a Bank of America in Portland. Bank of America 674 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,479 Speaker 1: is a major contributor to the Atlanta Police Foundation. Both 675 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: of those statements referenced the domestic terrorism charges. You can 676 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: check out Defend the Atlanta Forest at Defend the Atlanta 677 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: Forest dot org and most major social media sites. You 678 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: can check out scenes dot no, blogs dot org for 679 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: more stories of direct action on the front lines, and 680 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: of course you can check out the Atlanta Solidarity Fund 681 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: at a t L Solidarity dot org. There you can 682 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: donate to bail funds and help people currently facing state repression. 683 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: That's all for us today, See you on the other side. 684 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone 685 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: Media and more podcasts from cool Zone Media. 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