1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back, folks. Is that time of the week where 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: we share one of our favorite classic episodes. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Max. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Look, man, you and I are both animal people, as 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: is RPELLNL. I love love, love, love pretty much every 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: non human animal, and I was thinking about this as 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: we're going to today's classic episode. Two questions for you, Max. One, 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: have you ever seen John Wick? 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Oh? 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is amazing. Actually, I was introduced the series 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: with John Wick. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: Two. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: I had a friend group of friends that would go 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: to matinee movies together. This is back when we're all bartenders, 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: so doing stuff Tuesday afternoon was like our go to 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 3: no one around and we were off right. I never 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: seen the first one. They're always come to see this. 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: I'm god, I don't want to see some dumb action movie. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 20 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: It captured me immediately. 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so awesome. 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: And that's the that's the second question there, building off 23 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: our mutual adoration of John Wick. How far would you 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: go for your pet? 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I would. I would start a world war. 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: I mean nukes would. 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Fly, nukes would fly, heads will roll, as the yeah 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: yeah yeah said. This classic episode is about something called 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: the War of the Stray Dog. As we're going to 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: find after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, these newly 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: independent nations started beefing over their borders, Greece and Bulgaria. 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: This was one of those slow. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: Burned things, right. 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: It starts with small transgressions which escalate. There's an untenable, 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: unsustainable situation, and it reaches a breaking point in nineteen 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: twenty five when a border guard's dog runs away. Here 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: we go the War of the Stray Dog. Ridiculous History 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartRadio. Let's open today's show with 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: some statistics. It's often said that people could be either 40 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: dog people or cat people, meaning they prefer one pet 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: over another. According to a fairly arbitrary poll reported by 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: today dot Com, seventy four percent of us listening today 43 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: find ourselves being dog people, and a way to get 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: into today's episode is to ask how far would you 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: go for a dog? Welcome to the show. My name 46 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: is Ben. 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 2: My name is no Ben. When you say do people, 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: do you mean some sort of hybrid Island of Doctor 49 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: Moreau type monstrosity or talking about dog efficient fans of dogs? 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, as mentioned people who prefer dogs or people who 51 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: prefer cats. We have yet to ask our super producer 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and this question. So I'd like to ask 53 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: both you guys. Noel, you strike me as more of maybe. 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: A cat person. I am a fan of the movie 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: Cat People and the accompanying Georgio Moroder soundtrack, and I 56 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: do like cats. I don't know why. They're a little 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: less needy. 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: They're less work. They're they're less work. 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: They're self sufficient. Dogs. While they do give you unconditional love, 60 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like they just vomit love on you 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: to the point where you're like, can we turn off 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: the love hose please? 63 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes I get the sense, and I'm 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: not going to profile you, but I've gotten the sense 65 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: before when we hang out that you don't like dogs. 66 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I'm dating a girl and have 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: been for a while who has a lovely little dog 68 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: who I enjoy. He does some cute things like he 69 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 2: gets under the covers at night and kind of spoons 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: with my leg, which I enjoy, But he also does 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: things we're in the middle of the night. He'll get 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: on top of my head and start flipping his body 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: around in circles like he can't get comfortable. And he's 74 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: a humper, and he's he just does something. He does 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: some things that rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not 76 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: gonna lie, but he also does something that I enjoy. 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: So you're you're maybe on the fence about dogs in general. 78 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: I'm cat people. Yeah, oh what about you? Casey? 79 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: Oh man, this is this is tough. I'm real fifty 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: to fifty on this. I love dogs and cats. I've 81 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 4: had more dogs than cats. But the one cat I 82 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: did have lived to be about eighteen or nineteen years 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: old and was a great cat. So I'd say, I'd 84 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 4: say both. 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, And that seems like that seems 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: like the kind of answer I would expect from Casey. 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: You know, Casey on the cat and Dog case. 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: And today's episode, Well you haven't said yours. Yeah, no, 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I haven't. Today's episode brings us to no, no, sir, 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: no sir, my friends, well being a decent human being. 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: I love dogs and cats. Wow, that was that was 92 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: very pointed, very pointed. 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Now I'm messing with you. I don't I love I 94 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: love animals in general, and it's not to be to 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: bleak about it, but it's true that in several generations, 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the wild animals that we can see 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: today are going to be gone. So I'm a little 98 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: bit bittersweet about it. You know, we created dogs in 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: a very real sense, right they are if you think 100 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: about it, dogs are genetically modified organisms or GMOs. 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean the purebred ones are kind of 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: those Island of Doctor Moreau monstrosities in some ways. 103 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about some I believe. Now I'm not a 104 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, a dog doctor, I'm not a veterinarian, but 105 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: I believe that there are a couple of breeds that 106 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: require human assistance, yeah, to reproduce. 107 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 2: That's right, what I mean, even like just the features 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: that humans consider cute or desirable sometimes are not good 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: for the health of the dogs, right as bread them 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: to be something that we like, but not necessarily with 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: their best interest in mind. 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Whereas cats self domesticated, which I think is fascinating. But yeah, 113 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: so I am a lover of all animals, including serpents 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: and insects. There are a couple animals I wouldn't necessarily 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: want to have in my house all the time, like 116 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: a snake, like snakes. Snakes are very happy outside and 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: that's where I will leave them. 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know listeners right in, Am I a monster? 119 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't think you're an acquiring minds wants to know mine. 120 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: My mind wants to you want to know if you're 121 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: a monster. I want to know if my others think 122 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: I'm among. 123 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Not everybody, not everybody cares for dogs. And there's nothing 124 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: wrong with that. I did. 125 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: I let me backtrack a little bit. I did not 126 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: say I didn't like dogs. I said there are some 127 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: qualities they have that annoy me a little bit, but 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: I do, I do see the good in them. Okay, 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: I believe specifically, the phrase was vom at love. Yes, 130 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: but turn off the love houses, And I said, yes, yes, yes. 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: But we can agree that overall, in general people love dogs. 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll often put themselves in harm's way to 133 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: protect them. 134 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: There we go, nineteen twenty five. Boom, we got there. 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: We did. 136 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: So to explore this story, we have to look at 137 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire ruled an area of 138 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: the world that included a lot of different people, nations, languages, religions, 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and ethnicities, and two of the peoples that they ruled, 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: or two of the nations that were under the rule 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: of the Ottoman Empire were the Greeks and the Bulgarians. 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty two, Greece becomes independent, and then in 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: nineteen oh eight Bulgaria becomes independent. And this is a 144 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: very big deal to them because while they were under 145 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: the thumb of the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman Empire was 146 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: Islamic and the Greeks and Bulgarians were Christians of the 147 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Eastern Orthodox Church. 148 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: And Bulgaria is considered a Balkan nation, and it is 149 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: along the coastline of the Black Sea. It has a 150 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: very vast and varying terrain, including mountains, and includes the 151 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: Danube River, the famous Blue Danube of classical music fame. 152 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: And it also, to some of what you said, Ben 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: has a very culturally diverse population. And this plays into 154 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: our story in terms of dividing up some of these 155 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: areas post war. 156 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: Right exactly so, the Ottoman Empire falls, the Balkan League 157 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: begins to carve up the European side of this empire, 158 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: forming Albania, which many of us will recognize from its 159 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: multiple references in films like Taken and They Left Macedonia 160 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: and Western Thrace. Bulgaria and Greece ostensibly had a lot 161 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: of reasons to get along. They shared a religion, they 162 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: both were independent from a former empire. They both also 163 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: wanted Macedonia and this led to tension. This resulted in 164 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: a number of conflicts between the two sides along the border, 165 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: leading to the Second Balkan War of nineteen thirteen. And 166 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: as we know just from hearing that date, nineteen thirteen, 167 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: there is a much bigger war on the horizon. World 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: War One breaks out. Bulgaria sides with Germany, Austria and 169 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: Hungary and launches an attack against Serbia, and then they lose. 170 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: The Allies win, and Greece has sided with the Allies, 171 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: and so they are rewarded for participating with the good guys, 172 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: a job well done. For a job well done, Winners 173 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: write the history books. And Bulgaria is forced to give 174 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: up Western Thrace. And this is a big deal because 175 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: giving up this specific area means that they lose their 176 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: access to the Aege and c It's. 177 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: Right, and so here's the thing. By nineteen twenty five, 178 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: the tension between Greece and Bulgaria were kind of reaching 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: a boiling point. This region is no stranger to these 180 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: kinds of tensions that have continued on throughout history, but 181 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: this is one in particular we're been talking about. The 182 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: two countries had been at each other's throats for many, 183 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: many years, and there were these, I don't know what 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: you'd call them, kind of little splinter factions, peasant groups 185 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: that would cross the border between the countries because they 186 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: shared a border, and they would do all kinds of damage, 187 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: property damage, mischief, plundering livestock, and often there would be 188 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: little skirmishes that would result from these seemingly innocuous enough 189 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: kind of acts of anarchy. But you know, there's a 190 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: powder k kind of situation and one little spark can ignite, 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: you know, a forest fire, right. 192 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: Right, And it's still sort of you know, technically it's 193 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: terrorism to not to drop the T word to arbitrarily, 194 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. And all these were groups like 195 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization MRO and the Internal Threecian 196 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Revolutionary Organization ITTRO IMRO and ITTRO, and these organizations had 197 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: some control, you know what I mean, over specific areas. 198 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: There was a town called Petrick in southwestern Bulgaria bordering Greece, 199 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: and it was run by MRO. It was almost an 200 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: autonomous area, They ran the town, you know what I mean. Like, 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: you've ever heard those stories about areas in a city 202 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: where even the police won't go watch out kid, you 203 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 204 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they only they like you know, it's sort 205 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: of like a Gangs of New York kind of situation 206 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: where they literally have everyone in their pocket, they own 207 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: the streets. They it's sort of like a mafia kind 208 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: of situation almost. 209 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of similar, just in terms of control, That's 210 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. We're not equating these at all. 211 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: I mean in terms of like the ubiquity of a 212 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: territory being owned by sort of a shadowy organization. 213 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I think your examples. But the reason I'm 214 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: doing a little bit of prologue with mine is because 215 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: this is how the Islamic stayed at operated. 216 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: That's right. 217 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: But these groups, we would imagine were not as as 218 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: violent and did not commit as many reprehensible acts, but 219 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: they were there. They were challenging rule of law. They 220 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: were also greatly contributing to these growing tensions. And in 221 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, there's a prime Minister of Bulgaria's name 222 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: is Alexander Stamboliski. He tries to he tries to get 223 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: everyone to chill out just a little bit, you know 224 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. He says, let's Greece, let's get along. 225 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: Can't we all just get along? And then for the 226 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: rest of the European continent, Hey, Bulgary is not that bad, 227 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, We're not crazy. And then 228 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: the people of Bulgaria responded by ousting him in a coup. 229 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I want to point out one little detailed 230 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: we've gotten to you. Yeah, after World War One and 231 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: after the Balkan War, Bulgaria and Greece were for the 232 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: first time independent nations, and they weren't used to this, right. 233 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: This border was a super fuzzy prospect, the idea that 234 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: now we're two different things, where exactly is this border? 235 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: That was a big part of why these tensions were there, 236 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: because it was sort of like, no, you don't get 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: to say where the border is. And it just feels 238 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: like they maybe didn't do the leg work of properly 239 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: defining the border in the immediate aftermath of being free 240 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: of the Ottoman Empire. 241 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's the thing about borders, man, That's right. 242 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: They both felt like they defined it very well. They 243 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: just didn't agree on what the good definition was. 244 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: That's absolutely right. So during one of these what would 245 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: have been discurbaged, yeah, exactly, up to seventy up to 246 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: the numbers, a little fuzzy Bulgarians were killed, and this 247 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: was really starting to contribute to suspicions by the Greeks 248 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: that Bulgaria was actually supporting this Macedonian movement for independence 249 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: that was going to lay claim to this territory within 250 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: the Hellenic border. Can we talk a little bit about 251 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: this notion of the Hellenic border? Ben sure. 252 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. As we mentioned earlier, the thing about this region 253 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: is that this separation, this independence created a conflict because 254 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: of these areas that the folks just couldn't agree on. 255 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: And those areas were what we call Western Thrace and Macedonia. Right, 256 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: So Greece believed the Bulgaria was encouraging a Macedonian separatist movement, 257 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, because they were. 258 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and most likely for completely selfish reasons, in order 259 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: to kind of upset the apple cart and maybe get 260 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,239 Speaker 2: some allies with the Macedonian separatists. 261 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: It's some of that sweet sweet land, you know what 262 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean. So everyone is itching for a reason to 263 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: have a genuine fight for this border tension to spark 264 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: an out and out conflict. 265 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: And they have. 266 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Guards at the border, as you do, right, And there's 267 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: a border guard on the Greek side. And this guy, 268 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: like many people, owns a dog, and he's so used 269 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: to being on the border, or so used to these 270 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: border tensions at least, that he brings his dog along 271 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: with him. But he Greece at the time, doesn't have 272 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: a leash law. That's the problem. 273 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's kind of why maybe this 274 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: is dubbed the War of the Stray Dog, which I 275 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: would argue is a misnowherre because this dog was not astray. 276 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: This dog belonged to this man who was a very 277 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: loving gentle master. But the dog did stray from ah 278 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: see that this is a semantic Yeah, yeah, So the 279 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: dog strays, the dog makes a run for it. I 280 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: don't know, you probably saw a squirrel or something, you know, 281 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: one of those famous Bulgarian squirrels. 282 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we know, so well, they're great. They're top 283 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,359 Speaker 1: notch squirrels. 284 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: Big big squirrels, very huge, very large physically. So the 285 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: dog bolts for the Bulgarian side, right, And the way 286 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: I've read it was the gentleman gives chase to the 287 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: dog and then ends up in Greek territory. 288 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: And this is on October eighteenth, nineteen twenty five. It's 289 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: a police called the Demere Couple pass and naturally, as 290 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: you said, no, the guy goes after his dog. It's like, oh, no, Sparky, 291 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: you can't be here, or mister pickles, what are you doing? 292 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: Or whatever whatever. The most popular Greek name for a 293 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: dog is Casey. Will you make one up, just to 294 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: make up a dog name, mister sprinkles, mister sprinkles, Casey 295 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: on the case. 296 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: On the case. I would argue god names would be 297 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: good for dogs Greek gods. So you got like Zeus 298 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: the dog or Apollo. You know, Artemis would be a 299 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: good dog. You call it Artie for short. 300 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: What about muses? You know, I've always been partial to 301 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: the name Calliope. And we don't know the gender of 302 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the dog. But anyway, this guy is yelling for his dog, 303 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: like ah, you can't be here, come back, come back, 304 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: and he chases after his dog because he's a responsible 305 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: pet owner, as he said. But in the Bulgarian side 306 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: of the border, there are also centuries, and they're also 307 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: guards and so a century shoots the soldier dead and 308 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: the guy the guy never reconciles with his pooch, and 309 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: this proves to be the first shot of what we 310 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: now know as the War of the Stray Dog. As 311 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: soon as one shot goes off, both sides of the border, 312 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: guards on both sides start firing their rifles. There's a 313 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: lull we can imagine people are reloading. A Greek captain 314 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: goes into the the no man's land under a white 315 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: flag and he's, you know, he's waving his flags like 316 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: everybody calm down. Maybe he's saying, where's the dog. Maybe 317 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: he's saying, just stop shooting. This is a misunderstanding. The 318 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: Bulgarians see the flag and they shoot him too, along 319 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: with his private who came along as a sidekick. 320 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: Damn yeah, I know. Not cool. There was some real 321 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: hot headed triggerman going on over there on the on 322 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: the Bulgarian side. This was of course, also near the 323 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: border town of Petris, which gives a subtitle to this conflict, 324 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: the Incident at Petrick Slash the War of the Straight Dog. 325 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: And things may have ended there. Some would say, I 326 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: don't think so, because at this point the Bulgarian size 327 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: killed three people. 328 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they'd killed seventeen had died before, right, sure, 329 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 2: and that didn't start the war. So what happens we 330 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: have It takes not just the killings. It takes sort 331 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: of a wily, crafty military mastermind to kind of set 332 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: things in motion, right. 333 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: Right, right, forty seven year old Lieutenant General Theodoros Pangolos, 334 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: who is a dictator of Greece. He's the military dictator. 335 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: He learns about these killodes, he as we can only imagine, 336 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: slams his fist on the table and says, the Bulgarians 337 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: these treacherous dogs, which would be a poor choice of 338 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 1: words on his end, but you know, who knows if 339 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: he knew about the dog. At this point, this guy, 340 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: being a military dictator, was very much authoritarian, ruling with 341 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: an iron fist. He said, we are going to show 342 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: these Bulgarians what's what. And this is again, just weeks 343 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: after this guy installed himself as the leader of the country. 344 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: He orders an entire army corps to the area, and 345 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: he sends a forty eight hour ultimatum to Sophia, the 346 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: capital of Bulgaria, where he says, I demand the following 347 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: first apologize for the shootings. Second, prosecute any soldier who 348 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: fired a shot, and third, compensate the families of the 349 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: fallen soldiers. Compensate them six million Greek drachmas. And that's 350 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: within forty eight hours. If not, there will be a war. 351 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: I will evade. 352 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Noel, after he issued that forty 353 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: eight hour ultimatum, he went ahead and invade it before 354 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: the forty eight hours up, just. 355 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: To really show them that he meant business. And I 356 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: don't know, that seems like a weird flex. 357 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: You know. 358 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: It's sort of like I make the ultimatum, if you're 359 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: just gonna break it before the other side has a 360 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: chance to act. 361 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like it was just a pr thing. 362 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: Maybe for his domestic side. He wanted war. So they 363 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: go through Bulgaria, this Greek army corps. They're doing horrible things. 364 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: They're burning villages, they're looting, they're pillaging. They also start 365 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: striking out at anything they consider a Macedonian enclave, like 366 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: you're not so separate, now, are you? 367 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: Pop Pop pop, And this is all for it's from 368 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 2: the Greek perspective, like if he's looking to use us 369 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: to his advantage, it's to what claim more sweet sweet Land, 370 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 2: claim more territory, just to move that border further and 371 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: further away from them. 372 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's complex because it's it's partially that ultimately that 373 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: that's gonna be one of their goals to increase their 374 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: geographic holding me they're holding. But also it's a hearts 375 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: and minds thing on the dictator's end, because he wants 376 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: the people to see him as a competent and powerful leader. 377 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He's still got that new 378 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: car smell on him, dictator wise, so he wants to 379 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: prove that he's Look, the easiest time for a dictator 380 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: to be conquered in a coup is shortly after they 381 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: have been installed in a coup that they create, That's right. 382 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: So he needs to get as popular as he can 383 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: before the next angry, hot headed lieutenant general takes his head. 384 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: This doesn't exactly apply, but I think it's just a 385 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: great line. There's a line in Red Dead Redemption two 386 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: where a general is trying to start a conflict with 387 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: the Native Americans because they keep breaking the basically, the 388 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: Americans keep breaking treaties with the Native Americans, and there's 389 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: a line where one of his lieutenants is kind of 390 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: like he understands the plight of the Native Americans. He 391 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: says of his boss. Last war didn't go so well 392 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: for him, so he figured he'd start a new one. 393 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Maybe yet, you know what, that's a good lie So 394 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: how do they do these belligerent Greek soldiers fair with 395 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: their looting and pillaging? 396 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, you know, initially, pretty well they had the element 397 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: of surprise. I maybe that's why it was the element 398 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: of surprise. They say, we're going to give you a 399 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: clock on this, and then when they just go ahead 400 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: and do it, Yeah, it doesn't really Yeah, it's not 401 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: very sportsmanlike, shall we say? Right? So yeah, So initially 402 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: they blast in there, knock down the enemy's defenses and 403 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: drill into Bulgaria, of course, raping and looting on and 404 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: I'm adding raping. You gotta assume there's a little raping 405 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: going along with and burning all these I mean really 406 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: really scorched earth kind of warfare. Not nice, right. 407 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: Their idea is that they're going to occupy that town. 408 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: I mentioned TODP. Patrick because they wanted to incentivize the 409 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: Bulgarian government, I guess. But but more more was an 410 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: excuse to invade, and as you said in the beginning, 411 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: they are they're doing okay primarily because they have this 412 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: element of surprise. So once that element of surprise wears off, 413 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: the Greek army finds itself in a bit of a quagmire. 414 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: It's still recovering from getting walloped, getting its can I 415 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: say this on air, getting it's ass kicked from the 416 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty two war with Turkey, and 417 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: so it didn't have all the infrastructure needed to sustain 418 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: an army and operate in Bulgaria. So Pangalos decides that 419 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Greece needs allies, and Athens ask Serbia to help them 420 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: punish Bulgaria. And then they say, look, if you help us, 421 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: if you help us fight the these dirty Bulgarians, then 422 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: we're going to give you a railroad corridor to a 423 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: port city as well as the zone and control in 424 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: the region. 425 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: This is so funny to me because this sort of 426 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: like making counting your chickens before they hatch kind of logic. Right, 427 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: It's like saying, hey, here's what I'm going to give 428 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: you if we reign supreme here once we control all 429 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: that sweet sweet borderland. 430 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: Right, But that's I mean that's how they game. 431 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: That's how the game is played. It's very much making 432 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: the T shirts before you make it right. You're placing 433 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: bets on who the winner will be. And if you win, 434 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: you win big. If you lose, you look like a 435 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: real Vegas baby. 436 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just like that phrase. So 437 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: the Bulgarian side does the same thing in their difference 438 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: of course. Oh no, like you said, every said, that's 439 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: what what is, it's what is done, what is done. 440 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: But they don't go to just a single nation. They 441 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: go to the brand spanking new League of Nations. 442 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: Now, if you're asking me, I would add a caveat 443 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: like a bunch of babies. 444 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: Why why would you're at that? 445 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: I just feel like that's sort of like cry going 446 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: to your mommy and saying, like, you know, little Stevie's 447 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 2: picking on me, come help, come, you know, give him 448 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: a spanking. 449 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: But that's literally what the League of Nations was supposed 450 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: to be for, right, It was. 451 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: To prevent I don't know, man, I just figured sort 452 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: out your own stuff, leave the League out of it. 453 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: It was all right, I'm being a little hard. It 454 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: was meant though, you know it. 455 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: It was meant to, at least on paper, exercise diplomacy 456 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: between nations to prevent multi national wars, you know what 457 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So this should be exactly what the League 458 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: of Nations is good at doing. They intervene in the 459 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: war through diplomacy, and they go to the dictator of 460 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Greece and they say, hey, hey, Buckeroo, you know, I 461 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: know you're a big deal, and you gotta you know, 462 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: rule your people with an iron fist and all that 463 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: slow jazz, but stop invading folks. And whatever they say 464 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: persuades the general now and he says, all right, you 465 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: guys rule that I can't can't keep invading h So 466 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull my troops back. But by the time 467 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: he finally comes to heal, I feel like I'm using 468 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: so many dog terms. 469 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: Well that's important. By the time your pun game is strong, 470 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: that's is that even a pun? 471 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: You know? 472 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 2: It's sort of like Elanis Morrisett's song ironic. Is anything 473 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: in that song actually ironically? I don't know. 474 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Well, we will doggedly chase upon it if we can 475 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: find one. Fifty Bulgarians are dead. By the time the 476 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: guy finally says okay, League of Nations l own. 477 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm out. I comply with your ruling, okay, and I 478 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna walk back what I said 479 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: about the Bulgarians being babies for one of the League 480 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: of Nations. You're right, Ben, it is what it's for 481 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: because Greece was super overstepping, right they were. Well, I mean, 482 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: you know, war is what is it? War never changes, 483 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: you know, from the Fallout games, it doesn't matter. I 484 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 2: feel like Pangalos was being super opportunistic and overstepping and 485 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: really jumping the shark, shall we say, in his invasion efforts, 486 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: and also not to mention the non sportsmanlike way, he 487 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: totally gave them a clock on the offer of reparations 488 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: and then completely went back on that very dirty So 489 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: here's the thing. The League of Nations side with the 490 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: Bulgarians and they give them a little help. They send 491 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: them some troops from some member nations. 492 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, And then they say, look, we don't want 493 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: this to get ugly. 494 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 495 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: In my head these guys are all calling calling this 496 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: dictator these weird names like Bukaroo, Bucky Partner. They do ask, 497 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: they do ask for the dictator to pay some kind 498 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: of financial compensation to Bulgaria. 499 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, he did burned down like villages. I mean, there's 500 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: gonna be you know, some rebuilding costs associated with this. 501 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Did you see how much they asked them to pay? 502 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't an insignificant amount. 503 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: It was forty five thousand pounds, forty five thousand British pounds. 504 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. That's not much. That's not much 505 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: at all. That's not gonna that's token. I think this 506 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: has recent enough been that we could inflation calculate that 507 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: bad boy. 508 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Or correct casey, could I get the queue for a 509 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: handy dandy inflation calculator calculating perfect All right, forty five 510 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: thousand pounds in nineteen twenty two is equal to dramatic 511 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: pause two point four nine or so million pounds in 512 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. 513 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: And we didn't really see a figure for how much 514 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: damage the Greek invasion costs. But I've seen many sources 515 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: indicating that there was much burning and pillaging and looting 516 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 2: and sacking going on. So right, this seems like a 517 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: pretty insignificant sum. But Pangelos was still very unhappy with it. 518 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 2: He felt that the League of Nations had given him 519 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: a raw deal because they had they had cided against 520 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: him before as well, hadn't they been well, he. 521 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: Already felt that they were incredibly imbalanced and hypocritical because 522 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: he said, he said, look, we all know that the 523 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: League of Nations has two sets of rules, one for 524 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: nations that are powerful like Italy, ah, and one for us, 525 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: the little guys like Greece, and you guys are unfairly uh, 526 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: punishing us for things that you would be absolutely fine 527 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: with another nation doing. 528 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: Oh, we're just trying to make our make our nut, 529 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, we're just trying to flex a little 530 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: bit of you know, why why can't we be conquerors? 531 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: Right? 532 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: Everyone else gets to conquer? 533 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Why is everybody so pro Bulgarians? That's that's we're we're 534 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: taking some poetic license here, but yeah, yeah, he is. 535 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: He is not happy with it, and he feels that 536 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: he has been humiliated in front of his nation and 537 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: on salable stage. He feels that Greece as a nation 538 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: has been humiliated with his name on the marquee and uh. 539 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, man, when you're a dictator, I mean, 540 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: your source of power comes from your ability to like 541 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: flex and be a strong man, and like say, you know, 542 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: I am a beyond reproach and I have an iron 543 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: fist and no one can mess with me. It's like 544 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: the same as being like a I don't know I'm 545 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: using this example again, but like being a mob boss. 546 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: As soon as someone sees weakness in you, or you 547 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: are messed with and not paid or whatever it is, 548 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: you are open to being overthrown, my friend. 549 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, as I had mentioned earlier, when is the 550 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: most likely time for a military dictator to be overthrown. 551 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: It's right after he overthrows someone, that's right, Or you know, 552 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: it's right after they overthrow somewhere. 553 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: He attempts it anyway. 554 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we can only imagine that at this time, Penglos, 555 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: General Penglos, is privately worried that this may affect his 556 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: ability to rule or the people's trust in him. And 557 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: it turns out that he is absolutely right. He has 558 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: been seen as weak on the domestic and international stage. 559 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: So the very same people, the very same cadre of 560 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: officers that helped him become dictator, by that summer, they 561 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: overthrow him and they replace him with the old guy, 562 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: the earlier president of Greece. 563 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: Just you know, I mean, oftentimes these powerful men are 564 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: representative of something going on beneath the surface, and when 565 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: the shadowy cabals that run things for real beneath the service, 566 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: even under a dictatorship, has to answer to somebody a 567 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: lot of the time, right, right. 568 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Like, even in democracies like the US, the president has 569 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: to answer to Cheryl Crow at some point. 570 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: She is such a monster. 571 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I had no idea we had picked such a powerful enemy. 572 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're absolutely right. No, you're absolutely right. He 573 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: is overthrown. He vanishes from the public eye. We know 574 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about what happens to him next, and 575 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: it's not especially pretty, nor is it noble or glorious. 576 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: He's implicated in a corruption scandal. He resurfaces to endorse 577 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: the pro Nazi collaborationist regime in Greece during the you know, 578 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: the rise of the Nazi Party. He passes away in 579 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. But get this, his grandson, who shared 580 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: the name Theodoros Pengalos, became deputy Prime Minister of Greece. 581 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: So they kept her in the family. 582 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they really did. And O G. Panglos withdrew from 583 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: public life and wasn't really hurt from again, and you know, 584 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: because he kind of retired in shame. And this, this 585 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: whole all because of a straight dog, all because of 586 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: a dog. 587 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: We don't even know the dog's name. But I think 588 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: Casey made an excellent choice with mister Sprinkles. 589 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: I like it too. I'm gonna go with Zeus the dog. 590 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: Here we go a Zeus. 591 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we. I guess we could speculate and 592 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: say the guy, the guy probably named his dog something Greek, right, Hey, 593 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: maybe it was Pangelos. Maybe that's why the dictator got 594 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: so mad, But we sadly don't know what happened to 595 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: the dog afterward. And for playing a very small part 596 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: in this story, this unknown dog has one that has 597 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: won the name in history. It's called the Incident at Patrick, 598 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of people nowadays call. 599 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: It the War of the Straight Dog. 600 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: We hope that you have enjoyed this episode, this brief 601 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: look into one of the many ridiculous causes for war 602 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: throughout human history. Let us know some of your favorite 603 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: stories about ridiculous causes for war. And hey, if you 604 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: have any cool pet pictures, you can send them. I 605 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: don't want to volunteer both of you, guys. I just 606 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: love seeing other people's pets. You can send them to 607 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: us on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter. 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Thanks to our 617 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: super producer case Pegram, thanks to Alex Williams who composed 618 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: our track, Thanks to our research assistant Gabe and Noel. 619 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Thank you man. You know, I don't think you're a monster. 620 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: I think you're a pretty cool dude. Be you sure? Yeah? 621 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: You kind of hurt my feelings at the top of 622 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: the show. Really why because you said you're a normal, 623 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 2: nice human being who likes all animals, and that imply 624 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: that I am some sort of sub human monster. No, 625 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: not at all. I'm just kidding. I am if nothing else, 626 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: I am melodramatic. 627 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: We all need a bit of drama in our lives. 628 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. I can confidently say that 629 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: none of the three of us would start a war 630 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: over a dog. Okay, I can with ninety percent certainty. 631 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: Even as I was saying that, I was thinking, well, 632 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on the dog, and it 633 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: depends on the board. 634 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: Really well, back about it. I mean, you know, if 635 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: you see you see an opportunity, I say, go for it. 636 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. 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