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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, along

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Speaker 1: Podcast on Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and on Bloomberg dot com. Apple is up two points

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Speaker 1: x percent today for the year, though year over year,

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Speaker 1: I should say from this day last year, Apple is

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Speaker 1: up eight So this two and a half percent increase

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Speaker 1: probably not the biggest of its year. Nevertheless, it's up

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Speaker 1: on an electric vehicle report. It's going to make one.

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Speaker 1: We knew it was going to, but now we have

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Speaker 1: a little bit more detail. So let's bring in somebody

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Speaker 1: who knows a lot about what Apple is doing and

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Speaker 1: how it can be successful done Eyes of web Bush

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Speaker 1: Securities joins so down. We knew that at some point

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Speaker 1: we would probably get an electric vehicle from Apple. What

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Speaker 1: do we know now that we didn't know in the

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Speaker 1: last few days. Well, I think it's really around the

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Speaker 1: battery technology and some of the innovations going on within Cupertino.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the e V and

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Speaker 1: the autonomous visioned Apple. There's been a lot of starts

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Speaker 1: and stops, but clearly they're going to dive into the

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Speaker 1: deep end of the pool. I believe it's going to

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Speaker 1: be through more of a strategic partnership where clearly it's

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Speaker 1: going to send a ripple effect across e VY and

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Speaker 1: from a stock perspective, it's just another arrow in the

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Speaker 1: quiver when you look at the overall ecosystem going forward,

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Speaker 1: Where does the confidence come from that Apple will be successful?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's great at other things, but I

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Speaker 1: mean vehicles are a whole different kettle fish. As they say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, And that's why I don't believe that they

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Speaker 1: ultimately start manufacturing their own cars. I believe they're going

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Speaker 1: to leave that to a partner, potentially a Tesso or

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Speaker 1: investors want to see them, from a software perspective, vertically

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Speaker 1: integrate their software into vehicles. And I think if you

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Speaker 1: go out into the next few years, EVE, it's a

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Speaker 1: golden age and I think it's even similar what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing in China and Bay Do that they potentially you're

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Speaker 1: going to get into evs because we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar mark at the next decade, and the Apple

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Speaker 1: recognizes where they sit. Autonomous is key, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is just going to be another way for them

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Speaker 1: to monetize that you know, brand, which is unparalleled. Um,

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Speaker 1: this same argument is partially what's behind Tesla is nearly

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Speaker 1: seven h again this year, right while we're at three

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Speaker 1: be a point at which that becomes, you know, exponentially larger.

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Speaker 1: What about the idea of Apple teaming up with a Tesla,

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Speaker 1: is that something that would ever happened, Well, I think

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Speaker 1: they could potentially Apple and Tesla, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: it fits strategically. So I think that could be somewhere

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Speaker 1: on the horizon two thousand one Musk and Cook on EVS.

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Speaker 1: That would be something that could have a ripple. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that's why I believe a test or VW is ultimately

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Speaker 1: who Apple partners with, right and essentially Apple needs to

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Speaker 1: find a partner. So what would be the best partner.

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Speaker 1: I'm the bed the best partners in stree mode in Tesla,

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Speaker 1: I think that's one that would make the most sense

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Speaker 1: see Apple further and further penetrating through a partnership. Down

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Speaker 1: talk to us about the rest of Apple's future. What's

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Speaker 1: your price target on Apple right now and what do

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Speaker 1: I continue to you as a supercycle iPhone twelve. I

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Speaker 1: This is a key market, and to me, Apple is

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Speaker 1: a stock that I think invest is just further and

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Speaker 1: will is ultimately benefit it or hurt it. Well, for cybersecurity,

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Speaker 1: claud Out. And this is you know, obviously this attack

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Speaker 1: stocks and investors are continuing to move those higher. What

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Speaker 1: games led by Apple. That's the way to play this market. Amazing, Dum,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for all of that, all of

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Speaker 1: web Bush Securities. Well, it's pretty wild year for equity markets.

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Speaker 1: you have to advise clients through this whole volatility. Lisa

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Speaker 1: Morgan Stanley about two and a half trillion dollars in

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Speaker 1: client assets. Lisa, how are you feeling as we approach

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty So, um, look, we're feeling

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Speaker 1: the virus um, we are constructive that potential it will

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. Our our number one idea for is financials. Uh.

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Speaker 1: David Garity is chief market strologist at laid Law and Company,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't concern me at all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, the more doses we have,

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Speaker 1: let's just do one does because it showed some efficacy

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Speaker 1: We have no idea what it does after one dose.

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Speaker 1: of the trial was a two dose trial. You can't

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Speaker 1: make these decisions based on what anecdotal evidence one trial

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Speaker 1: for me. These interviews are always full of public health announcements,

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Speaker 1: and there is another one. Don't just take one does

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Speaker 1: you're in for if you just take the one. But

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Speaker 1: we know if there are any adverse effects and the

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Speaker 1: at the data that we've seen already. If the numbers

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Speaker 1: of people. Of course, if one person getting a side

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Speaker 1: effect is not a good thing. But this seems to

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Speaker 1: be manageable. And we'll have to wait till January February

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Speaker 1: to hear about Bell's palsy because that takes a little

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Speaker 1: let's see how that shows up. Some thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for all of your hard work all

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Speaker 1: year keeping an eye and everything coronavirus related for us

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Speaker 1: being much much appreciated. That is some for sale who

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Speaker 1: has head of E M. E. A Research as Bloomberg

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