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Speaker 1: Fish Bites podcast. I'm your host arum Leyton, and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by Craig Mish, Sirius XM radio host, host of

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Speaker 1: the Swings and Mishes podcast, and Marlin's Twitter figure. Craig,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me today. I got plenty to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Of course season recap. We're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the postseason, but there's plenty going on with the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: not on the field, but a lot going on. Thank

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Speaker 1: you again for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Alarm, thanks for having me my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So first and foremost, congratulations on launching your podcast, Swings

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Speaker 1: and Mishes as part of the Five Reason Sports Network.

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Speaker 1: You've already had some amazing interviews Marlins, GM, Michael Hill,

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Speaker 1: players like Dan Streili, Austin Dean. You humanize Scott Boris,

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Speaker 1: the super agent who was Jose Fernandez's agent and a

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Speaker 1: guy that was very close with Jose. He really showed

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Speaker 1: some interesting perspective on what kind of person Jose was

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Speaker 1: as well. What was your favorite interview to do so

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Speaker 1: far and what's it been like launching that podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've all been good. I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: tahe and I came up with the idea of doing

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Speaker 2: two podcasts to remember Jose Fernandez, so that that is

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Speaker 2: one that just kind of sticks out that we really

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Speaker 2: got that accomplished, and I was, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: thank Scott Boris for doing it, and also Tom Kohler,

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Speaker 2: who shared some really interesting stories. And so it's hard

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Speaker 2: worst thing that's ever happened in terms of sports in

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Speaker 2: you know, remember that day. You know, Launching the podcast

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Speaker 2: was something that I really didn't know how it would

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Speaker 2: be received, because again, the Marlins locally do have interest,

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Speaker 2: but nationally it's kind of, you know, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: going to get a lot of people to download it

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Speaker 2: and listen. And the response has been great, so and

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of where we're out. But we're at

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Speaker 2: and then Comespring training, which is really my bread and butter.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm able to cover all the teams. I think

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Speaker 2: so far, so good. I'm excited about how it's gone.

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Speaker 1: You really were able to give people an insight to

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Speaker 2: I think for Scott and for him doing it, obviously

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that I would ever really get there.

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Speaker 1: And something you mentioned earlier, which was a good point,

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Speaker 2: It meant a lot because those were relationships that I've had,

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Speaker 2: The Marlins and the Orioles, as everybody has reported, is

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Speaker 2: We'll just have to see if the Marlins or the

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Speaker 1: they let go They're pitching coach Juan Javis, assistant hitting

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Speaker 1: coach Frank Minichino, and the most surprising of all was

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Speaker 1: first base coach in infield Guru Perry Hill. Obviously, the

435
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Speaker 1: new regime wants to bring in their own guys, so

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Speaker 1: I understand letting Yavs go and Menichino, who have been

437
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Speaker 1: with the Marlins organization for a while. Perry Hill's like

438
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Speaker 1: widely regarded as one of the best infield coaches, if

439
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Speaker 1: not the best infield coach in the game. How do

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Speaker 1: you upgrade over Perry Hill? What's the Marlins rationale? And

441
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Speaker 1: letting a guy like Perry Hill, go, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think they want to add a somebody who's more

443
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Speaker 2: involved in base running. According to Joe Frazarro, I read

444
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Speaker 2: his column yesterday, and you can always pick up, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: kind of little internal nuggets from some of the things

446
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Speaker 2: that Joe says, because he's very tight clearly with them.

447
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Speaker 2: So you know, the other part of it is is that,

448
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Speaker 2: you know, I hate to say that when that they're

449
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Speaker 2: very savvy of things that are said. But I did

450
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Speaker 2: find it very peculiar a few weeks ago when Ken

451
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Speaker 2: Rosenthal of The Athletic, who is the best there's there

452
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Speaker 2: is in this business and the best who ever has

453
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Speaker 2: been in this business, had a report that there were

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Speaker 2: like eight to ten teams that were interested in Perry

455
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Speaker 2: Hill in k he was a free agent. And that's

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing where it's like most people look

457
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Speaker 2: at that story and say, oh, wow, you know, wow,

458
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Speaker 2: he has so many teams, and then somebody like me

459
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Speaker 2: looks at that story and says, why is that out there?

460
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Speaker 2: Like why is this coming out now? You know, I

461
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Speaker 2: really don't know the dynamics as to what goes on

462
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes. But like Hill, as I said yesterday

463
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, he has his place in history. I think

464
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Speaker 2: probably the Marlins just want somebody who can do more

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Speaker 2: things besides coach on the infield, and I know that

466
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Speaker 2: analytics is a big part of what they do. There

467
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Speaker 2: are some people who are retorting to me that Hill

468
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Speaker 2: is into analytics and I'm not right. But you know,

469
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Speaker 2: I can only tell you what I'm told, and then

470
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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any other stuff in play here.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that he ended up being one

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Speaker 2: of Denbo and Jeter's guys. I think that's a possibility

473
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Speaker 2: there too, but I would just be speculating on all

474
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Speaker 2: of these things. Remember Ferry Hill first time around, Aaron

475
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Speaker 2: left in some really bad states when they let him go,

476
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Speaker 2: he ended up coming back again a second time. I

477
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Speaker 2: think he'll probably end up with a job. I'm just

478
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Speaker 2: I'm curious where that will end up being, because again,

479
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Speaker 2: if we go by the report that there's all these

480
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Speaker 2: teams that are clamoring for him to join them as

481
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Speaker 2: a coach and infield instructor. I wish him all the best.

482
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Speaker 2: Then I hope that works out for him.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned the analytical approach. That's something that some

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Speaker 1: have said Perry Hill is not totally on board. Some

485
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Speaker 1: say he is. At the end of the day, the

486
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Speaker 1: Marlins never shifted very often until this season. The entire

487
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Speaker 1: league shifted exponentially more often. I don't know what the

488
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Speaker 1: figures are I overheard on a broadcast the other day,

489
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Speaker 1: but it was pretty staggering how many more shifts we

490
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Speaker 1: saw this season than in the past. And the Marlins

491
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Speaker 1: definitely upped it a lot too. So that shows Perry

492
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Speaker 1: Hill adjusted. But going into this analytic conversation, it's kind

493
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Speaker 1: of where the game is going or has gone the

494
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Speaker 1: last few years. The past, Derek Jeter has been said

495
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Speaker 1: to have not been a big analytic guy, but we've

496
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Speaker 1: seen the Marlins organization pivot on that a little bit.

497
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Speaker 1: What's your take on the Marlin's stance on analytics from

498
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Speaker 1: top to bottom.

499
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Speaker 2: I think Jeter privately has probably changed his opinion on it.

500
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Speaker 2: I think that for him it's not something that he

501
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Speaker 2: played with or grew up with, or quite frankly, even

502
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Speaker 2: fully understands. But he has some very smart people that

503
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Speaker 2: are now working for him that do and I think

504
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Speaker 2: that he probably, as he said many times before, his

505
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Speaker 2: quote that he uses over and over again is we

506
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Speaker 2: don't want to use analytics the most, we want to

507
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Speaker 2: use it the best. And I don't think that he'll

508
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Speaker 2: ever relent from that. I think that there's always going

509
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Speaker 2: to be that quality of player that he'll see in himself,

510
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Speaker 2: somebody who works hard and somebody who grinds it out

511
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Speaker 2: and somebody who deserves an opportunity. I don't think that'll

512
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Speaker 2: ever be lost, and I don't think that'll ever be

513
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Speaker 2: lost in baseball. Also, even with the Astros what he

514
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Speaker 2: like they do, they have some players on that team

515
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Speaker 2: that are not analytical babies and just our grinders and

516
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: great players and veteran leaders. And so I think that

517
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Speaker 2: the Marlins are headed in that direction. They've already taken

518
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Speaker 2: a lot of steps towards that, and I think that

519
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: the Yankees were arguably one of the leaders in the

520
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Speaker 2: class in terms of employing that both at the minor

521
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Speaker 2: league and major league level. And I think you're going

522
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Speaker 2: to see an emulation as to what the Yankees did,

523
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Speaker 2: and I think that their geter recognizes that if that's

524
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Speaker 2: a part of this that will make it work, then

525
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Speaker 2: then I will try it. I'm going to guess that

526
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Speaker 2: those are the sort of things that he is saying,

527
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Speaker 2: and from all indications as to who they've brought in

528
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Speaker 2: and the way that they approach this draft, and the

529
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Speaker 2: way that they are doing things at the minor league

530
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Speaker 2: level with stat cast and track man and everything else,

531
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Speaker 2: which they've never had in the past, I think that

532
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Speaker 2: the Marlins are maybe not all in on analytics, but

533
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Speaker 2: they certainly are headed way more in that direction than

534
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Speaker 2: they ever have been.

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Speaker 1: And going back to the coaches real quick, they let

536
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Speaker 1: just about every coach go not named Don Mattingley. Mattingly's

537
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: under contract for one more season, and when Derek Jeter

538
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: was asked about Don Mattingley, he gave a peculiar answer.

539
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: He said, he's still under contract, isn't he? Which usually

540
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: you'll see a GM or CEO or president kind of

541
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Speaker 1: back their coach if they want to keep him around,

542
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: saying he's doing a great job with this team, etc.

543
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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a noncommittal answer while still committing

545
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Speaker 1: a little bit. What's your take on the future of

546
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Speaker 1: Don Mattingly in this organization? And is the new regime

547
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Speaker 1: going to want to bring in their own manager as well? Eventually?

548
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the way that they approached it

549
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Speaker 2: is as they've used the word build is that they're

550
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Speaker 2: building from the ground. Okay, so in year one of

551
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Speaker 2: building this organization from the ground, if you want to

552
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Speaker 2: use that analogy, Don Mattingley is in their mind in

553
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Speaker 2: year one of managing the team, and I don't think

554
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Speaker 2: that it would have been a fair assessment to judge

555
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: him st on this year because everyone knew that the

556
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Speaker 2: team was going to lose close to one hundred games.

557
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Speaker 1: I don't think that.

558
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly possible they could extend Manning Lee

559
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: one more year beyond the year that he has left,

560
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Speaker 2: but if there aren't significant changes on the field next

561
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Speaker 2: year in terms of wins and losses, I do think

562
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Speaker 2: that next year would be Mattingly's last year managing the team.

563
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: They're going to have to show improvement. I mean, we

564
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: know how badly Derek Cheeter wants to win. Even with

565
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: this team losing a lot of games and in development

566
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: kind of years, I don't know that that will happen

567
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: next year. I see hope for the future. I don't

568
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: see a ton of hope next year in twenty nineteen,

569
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Speaker 2: I don't think this team is going to be a

570
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: lot better. So there is that chance that if Mattingley's

571
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Speaker 2: on field record with the Marlins doesn't improve by five games,

572
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: six games, I don't know what the number has, ten games.

573
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Speaker 2: I think that there could be a change in twenty twenty.

574
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I feel like they're almost setting

575
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Speaker 1: the poor guy up for failure here because how can

576
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: the team be much better next year? I mean, obviously

577
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: you can have guys like Brinson figure it out, improve

578
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, some of the younger guys start to

579
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: get called up here and there. But as we get

580
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: into year two, what's the Marlins plan for year two?

581
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Is it just more of the same. Are you still

582
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: in that adjustment period where you're still far from where

583
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: you need to be? Or how can this team really

584
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: be more competitive in twenty nineteen?

585
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right now, I don't see a way that there

586
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: is one. So we'll have to see what they do

587
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: in the off season. Their pitching will be better, so

588
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: we could definitely say that it'll the starting pitching at

589
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: least will be better. They have young pitchers that are developing,

590
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: and so you have to if you're starting with the

591
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 2: positive at the top, you look at that and say, Okay,

592
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez and Sandy al Contra and Jose Urana, Dan Streli,

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: Garret Richards, maybe knightert and the miners. The starting staff

594
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: is going to be very competitive and be involved in

595
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: a lot of games. But in this world that we

596
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: live in, launch angle in home runs. The Marlins have

597
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: no chance to compete against these teams that are going

598
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: to score average four to five six runs a game.

599
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: It's just not going to happen. Based on what we've seen,

600
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Speaker 2: especially in the second half of the year. It's going

601
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see how the Marlins piece this

602
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: together formatticly next season and potentially give him a better

603
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: opportunity to win. As of right now, on paper, that

604
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: does not look possible, considering the fact that they're going

605
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: to lose twenty twenty five home runs from four, another

606
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: twenty from Dietrich and then who knows if JT. Rillmuta

607
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: will be on the team or not. So I do

608
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: believe they'll go out and have to sign one year

609
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: mercenaries to potentially try and hit twenty home runs before

610
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: the break, and they inevitably trade them. But Mattingly, yes,

611
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: he's in a tough spot, but at the same time,

612
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: I think that he would tell you he's in a

613
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: great spot. He's one of thirty Major League Baseball managers.

614
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: There's only a certain amount of these jobs out there,

615
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: and even less of them that are even available. He

616
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: has one year left in his contract. I think he'll

617
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: have to show some improvement on the field somehow next year.

618
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's fair to him because of

619
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: what they have set up, but inevitably, my opinion would

620
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: be in twenty twenty, provided there isn't some sort of

621
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: improvement on the field next year, that they'll probably go

622
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: in a different direction in twenty twenty.

623
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned signing these one year guys. Obviously, bor

624
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: could be a candidate to be brought back, potentially, because

625
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there'll be a lot of interest in

626
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: him in the open market. What do you think the

627
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Marlins do with Derek Dietrick. Is that a guy that'll

628
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: be moved to the winter meetings? Is that a guy

629
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: that won't be in a Marlins uniform coming next year.

630
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: I think that's something you did say towards the end

631
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: of the season that you did not think he would

632
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: be in a Marlins uniform in twenty nineteen. If he

633
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: is moved, Who's the guy that can fill his spot

634
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: in the outfield. Is there any really prospect that looks

635
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: like he could be there next year other than Austin Dean?

636
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: And has Austin Dean proved enough to be the guy

637
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: next year? What's your take on both of those questions?

638
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: And I'll give you a little two parter here.

639
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Borr comes back. I don't think

640
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Dietrick comes back. I think Dietrich for the money that

641
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: he'll make next year in arbitration, they can probably get

642
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a player who's better defensively, that can play multiple positions

643
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: and do more or less the same offensively. So I

644
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: don't think he'll be back, and I don't think they'll

645
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: be able to trade him. In terms of the outfield,

646
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: I think that Brinson will get another opportunity regardless of

647
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: how his spring goes. I would suppose he'll start opening

648
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: day in centerfield again for the Marlins. This time, maybe

649
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: they'll have a backup plan of some kind, somebody like Maybon,

650
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: John Jay, some sort of veteran that can potentially play there.

651
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: I believe Brian Anderson will end up playing at right field.

652
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: He had a good year for them, and then left

653
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: field will be a question mark. Austin Dean I think

654
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: showed enough to me to get another opportunity to compete

655
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: for the starting left field job, but they'll have to

656
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: have a backup plan for sure, some veteran that can

657
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: potentially play for them until they inevitably trade them at

658
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: the All Star break. So I would expect an outfield

659
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: of Anderson and Brinson and Austin Dean and even along

660
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: with probably two other plays to be determined at least

661
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: one veteran of some kind. I think Sierra would be

662
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: much better served to spend the year in the minor leagues.

663
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: And who are some of those one year candidates I

664
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: saw you mentioned on Twitter, John Jay Potentially are there

665
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: any other guys that you think the Marlins could go

666
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: after and for a one year deal, a cheap deal

667
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: that kind of like a Cameron Maybin type of deal

668
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: that they made last summer.

669
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about outfield, but I think like

670
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: a first base, a good comp kind of guy would

671
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: be a pseudo decent fielding first base. I think O'Brien

672
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: will get a chance, but you know, who knows what

673
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: will happen there. Like Lucas Dudah is probably the kind

674
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: of name that you'll see. He did a one year

675
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: deal with Kansas City and then they traded him. I

676
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: think those are the kind of names Logan Morrison, somebody

677
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: that can hit thirty home runs and be somewhat of

678
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: a threat in that line If you cannot have JT.

679
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 2: Real Muto on an island in terms of power on

680
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: that team next year, you just simply can't do it now. Brinson,

681
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: regardless of what is on base or batting averages, has

682
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: shown enough exit velocity and power that he probably can

683
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: hit twenty home runs in the big leagues. But that

684
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: is not enough. They're going to have to have someone

685
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: in addition to JT have that power potential. So I

686
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: don't know the answer to that yet. Erin will just

687
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: kind of have to see how that plays out. I

688
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: know they'll try to move Castro if they can too.

689
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: Maybe there's someone that they can find that could be

690
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: a twenty home run bat there. But I know the

691
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: park is difficult, but it was just as difficult two

692
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: years ago when Stanton and Ozuna were hitting all those

693
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: home runs. They gotta find a couple of guys that

694
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: could be a threat in that lineup and.

695
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: The Marlins obviously have some prospects that boast some power

696
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: in Manti Harrison and Eisen Diaz packs a little bit

697
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: of a punch at second base, could be a ten

698
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: to fifteen home run guy as well, who could get

699
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: a September call up. You mentioned Brian Anderson playing right field,

700
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: potentially with Martine Prado supposedly holding down third if you

701
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: can stay healthy. What's Somemowin's long term plan at third?

702
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: Do you think, with Prato's contract eventually coming up up

703
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: in the next year, do you think Brian Anderson moves

704
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: back to third, even though he showed really well in

705
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: right field, Or do they move him back to third

706
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: and with the surplus of outfield prospects, end up calling

707
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: one of those guys up and putting them in the outfield.

708
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Anderson may be a better right fielder than he is

709
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: third baseman, at least that's kind of the way that

710
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: I see it, so I think that they should keep

711
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: him there if they possibly can. I don't think they

712
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: do have a long term solution at third base, and

713
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 2: I don't even know that there's one in the minor league,

714
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: So my guess is proto will play out the season

715
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy, they'll move him in July and

716
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: then we'll get a clearer picture as to what they

717
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: would be. Of course, they have migil Rohawks who could

718
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: play third base and plays as much as they need to,

719
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: but there are not a lot of long term plans

720
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: for the starting eight players on the Marlins as I

721
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: see it right now. I know that they would like

722
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: to say that Brinson is the future and the starting

723
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: center fielder for the next ten years, But how can

724
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: anybody say that based on this past year. I mean,

725
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: maybe maybe not. We don't know. Anderson. I think is

726
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: going to be a above average player, maybe a very

727
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: good player, and maybe he just was tired at the

728
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: end of the season. That's certainly possible too. But I

729
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: don't project Bryan Anderson to be a thirty home run

730
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: guy unless there's a significant change in swing path and

731
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: maybe there's something analytics that can point to him, you know,

732
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: getting more of launch or lift or whatever it is. Is.

733
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: Early we saw the Yelich went to Milwaukee. He showed

734
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: that too, But I think that that's a big, big

735
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: hole for the team, is finding somebody who could play

736
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: that third base position. My guess is it'll be attacked

737
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: either via free agency or in the draft, and.

738
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: With money eventually coming off the books. We've mentioned in

739
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: the past that you know, martine product contract will come

740
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: off the books way in chen in a couple of years.

741
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: You've got volkez off the books, next year, Ziegler off

742
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: the books, to Zou off the books, a lot of

743
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: money freeing up. Obviously the Marlins aren't going to be

744
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: big spenders, but could you see the Marlin spending a

745
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: little bit more than last offseason with some money opening up.

746
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know

747
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: what the point would be, honestly. I mean, if the

748
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: point is for fans to get all riled up that

749
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: they didn't spend money and they want to show that

750
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: they are, then you know, that's one thing where it

751
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: just doesn't really make a lot of sense to be

752
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: I just don't see them being good next year, no

753
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: matter what they do. And again, the real Muto story

754
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: is going to be the dominant one too, because if

755
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: he is gone, then they're even in a bigger hole

756
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: than they are right now. And what's the point of

757
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: trying to dig out of a hole just to win

758
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: seventy games? I don't see any points to that, so

759
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: I think the real time to start judging this franchise

760
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: is going to be I mean, you could judge now

761
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: based on the way that they handle themselves and do

762
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: certain things, for sure, but I think the on field

763
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: product needs to show some improvement in twenty twenty, and

764
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: the word development can continue to stay as long as

765
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: they wanted to. Twenty nineteen I think is still going

766
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: to be a developmental type season. I think twenty twenty

767
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: is when you want to see them competitive. If you

768
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: look at look, the Astros are the model franchise at

769
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball right now. It would be a dream

770
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: for the Marlins to end up in that situation. But

771
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: this is why I have no problem if they were

772
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: to lose one hundred games next year, one hundred games

773
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: a year after, one hundred games a year after that.

774
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 2: Houston said, for years and years of winning World Series

775
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: and being competitive. And I know patients is hard to preach,

776
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: but I would be all in on that plane if

777
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: they just decided to load up on the first pick

778
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: and second pick in the draft the next few years.

779
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: I think the Marlins feel like they're closer than some

780
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: people think that they can kind of fast track this

781
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: a little bit. I just hope that that is indeed

782
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 2: the case that they hit on that, because if they don't,

783
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: that would be a mistake.

784
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the Astros as we're going to talk

785
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: about the postseason a little bit here as we wind down.

786
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Probably my favorite to win the World Series. Probably everyone's

787
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: favorite to win the World Series right now, but I'm

788
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: going to ask you anyways, who is your favorite to

789
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: win the World Series And who do you think the

790
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: matchup's going to be.

791
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I picked the Astros last year to win the

792
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: World Series. I was the only one to do that.

793
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: I picked him again to win the World Series this year.

794
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: They're a better team. I don't think it's close. I

795
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: think that anything can happen in a seven game series,

796
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: certainly with the Red Sox if they indeed move on,

797
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: or the Yankees if they rally to win two. I

798
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: don't see the Brewers being competitive in a series with

799
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: Houston at all. The Dodgers showed that they could last year,

800
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: and they did. They took it right down to Game seven.

801
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: And I've talked about this many times. If Alex Bregman

802
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: doesn't throw out Greg burd rounding third play base at

803
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: the plate. There's a chance the Yankees move on last

804
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: year and not Houston. Houston's bullpen is way more fortified

805
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: this year than it was last year. I mean, Ken

806
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Giles is gone. You know. Deavinski, who I happen to love,

807
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: had a really tough postseason. He's not even on the

808
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: postseason roster. They now have Osuna. He saw Colin McHugh

809
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: pitch for them. They even this kid who played high

810
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: school in Broward County for South Barward High School. He

811
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: lives very close to me, Josh James. He's going to

812
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: be a star in the big leagues too. They have

813
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: him on the postseason roster. Mccullors is now out of

814
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: the bullpen era. This is just the best team in baseball.

815
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: It's just not close. They just dismantled the Indians and

816
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: they are going to be a dynasty now, like other

817
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: dynasties in sports, like the Warriors potentially, like the New

818
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: England Patriots have been for a long time. Anything can

819
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: happen when you get to a Game seven. But the

820
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: fact that I firmly believe that Houston is going to

821
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 2: be either in the World Series or losing the World

822
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: Series we're talking about this year, next year, the year

823
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: after that, the year after that. Eventually they're going to

824
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: have to make some decisions because they can't pay everybody

825
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars. That's not going to happen. So

826
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: you can't pay all two days locked up, but you

827
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: can't pay Bregman and Springer and Garrett Cole. You know,

828
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: Verlander will be gone, Carlos Carell will need a new contract.

829
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: It's going to be almost impossible for them to maintain

830
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: this over a ten year period. But for the next

831
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: three years, if they keep everyone outside of Kaikol, who

832
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: will be gone, he'll be a free agent go somewhere else.

833
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: But they'll just put somebody else in there be fine.

834
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: And their farm system, by the way, is as deep

835
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: and loaded as any team in baseball. The only thing

836
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: that they don't have in Houston that is a catcher,

837
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: and the Marlins do have a catcher. So I wonder

838
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: if after the season, if talks are re engaged. Brian mccannon,

839
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure will retire. Maldonado's done a nice job for them,

840
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: by the way, I don't know if he'll be back

841
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: or not. They have Max Stossi I could see that

842
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: being a fit once again this offseason. But again, or

843
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: do the Astros have enough return for real Muto if

844
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: he turns down a contract. I think they do. I

845
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 2: think that is the team that they should deal with

846
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: because fortunately for me, I get a chance to see

847
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: them train in Palm Beach and have some pretty good

848
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: connections there. I love that organization and some of their

849
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: young players, and I think if the Marlins were the

850
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: whole pad on that, I think that Houston may be

851
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 2: willing to give up some stuff. The only question would

852
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: be arim is that would the Astros trade for real

853
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Muto with working out an extension before a trade. I

854
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: think that may be the key to getting a deal done,

855
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: and if that is done, I could see that happening.

856
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: But again, Marlins will make every effort to sign JT.

857
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: I assume we'll just have to stay on top of

858
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: that in a few.

859
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: Months, and it's something that he's been said to be

860
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: a little more receptive too. But the Marlins Astros discussions

861
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: with j T Reo Mito have been pretty prominent in

862
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: the last six months or so, but that the big

863
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: hiccup being that they don't want to give up Kyle Tucker.

864
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: You were saying before, how the Astros can't lock everyone up.

865
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, someone's got to go eventually, and George Springer

866
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: will probably be one of the odd man out if

867
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: we're thinking about Korea. Obviously, how two days locked up

868
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: Bregman is one of the best players in the league

869
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: right now. Could end Springer could end up being the

870
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: odd man out, So Kyle Tucker could be that cheaper

871
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: contingency plan with potentially a higher ceiling. So the Marlins

872
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: will probably have to go elsewhere in terms of players

873
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: in the Astro system, and that's something that it'll be remained.

874
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: It remains to be seen whether the Astros enough to

875
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: get real Muto without Tucker. I think they do, and

876
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: I think what you've said too, they have a lot

877
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: of good pieces in there, but it's kind of a

878
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: wait and see thing, like you said. And hopefully the

879
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: Marlins work out an extension with your Muto, because it

880
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: seems like he could be the face of the franchise

881
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: if he isn't already. I think he pretty much is already,

882
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: but the Marlins kind of need that face, and it'll

883
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: be interesting to see which direction they go. I'm sure

884
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: they're going to try and lock them up, like you said.

885
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: But if you can't lock them up, you got to

886
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: move on and they could get a hefty haul for him.

887
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: But before we wind down here, obviously you said the

888
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: Marlins aren't going to be much better in twenty nineteen.

889
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: What's your prediction. You think they're going to go for

890
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: about the same record even with a more bolstered rotation

891
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: and a healthier rotation, or could we see another step

892
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: in the right direction.

893
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: It's impossible to answer now because I don't know what

894
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: their team is going to look like. If you told

895
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: me that this is the squad that they're rolling out,

896
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: all you got to do is look at their record

897
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: in August and September, and I'll tell you that they're

898
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: going to be the same team, if not worse. But

899
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: if they do this, I had to go out and

900
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: get some offensive help, and I think that they will,

901
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: then my prediction would certainly change. I picked them to

902
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: win sixty eight games this past year, so I went under.

903
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: I thought they'd be a little bit better than what

904
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: most people thought. They ended up being about the same,

905
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: but they were really good in the first half. But again,

906
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: another element to looking at their win loss record, and

907
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: look they run differential was I think the worst of

908
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: baseball or second worst of baseball. But the one thing

909
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: that I don't see next year is I don't see

910
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: these starting pitchers being bailed out by that epic bullpen

911
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: run that they had last year in April, May, June,

912
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: and into July. It was I don't know that I've

913
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: ever seen in Marlin's history that bullpen as good as

914
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: it was with Ziggler and second Rider and Guerrero and Baraklau,

915
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: like those guys just were locked down for the first half.

916
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: Anytime a Marlin starter threw five six innings, they were

917
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: able to close it out. And there were some people

918
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: who feel like, well they just kind of regrets to

919
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: who they were, and certainly that could be the case.

920
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: But I gotta go into next year thinking they can't

921
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: be nearly as good as they were, and that's troubling.

922
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: Also so troubling in the sense of on the field

923
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: what their record is. But I've been very very public

924
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: on this. I don't care if they lose one hundred

925
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: games next year. I don't care if they lose one

926
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: hundred games in twenty twenty. I want them to stay

927
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: on the same path, not fast track anything. Get those

928
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: high draft picks, continue to develop players like they got

929
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: in this past draft, and get that fourth pick whatever

930
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: they have in the twenty nineteen, get the fourth pick

931
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: again in the twenty twenty. I am all for that.

932
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: It's just very hard to sell patients to fans who

933
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 2: have had to go through this several times. But that's

934
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: just my feeling on it. I don't want to see

935
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: any players brought in here on deals that they're going

936
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: to end up being regretting. They are not going next

937
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: year to beat out the Braves. I don't think they're

938
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: beating out the Nationals, and I don't think that there's

939
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: a chance that the Phillies are worse. They're going to

940
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: be better. So what's the point. You may as well

941
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: just be down again for another year and then reassess

942
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty. So probably see right now about

943
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: the same wins. If not, you know less. I just

944
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: can't see them being much better. I can't, and.

945
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: It's tough to get excited about that. But like you

946
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: see people say so often, you just got to trust

947
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: the process. But what anything going on with the Swings

948
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: and Missus podcast? Anything we can expect from you in

949
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: the off season. You mentioned the Winter Meeting, something that

950
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: you might be covering. Anything else fans can look out

951
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: for from you and be excited to hear any content

952
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: because I know where Marlins fans are going to be

953
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: eager for some content in the off season.

954
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think the immediate interesting part will be what

955
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier, is Victor Victor Mesa and how

956
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: that plays out one way or the other. That's going

957
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: to be the most prominent story that follows next, I think,

958
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: so that you can expect me to talk about in

959
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: an upcoming podcast. I think following that we're going to

960
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: see more organizational changes, maybe new coaches brought in for

961
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: next year. So I think those will be very interesting topics.

962
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: But let's be honest and put all of our cards

963
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: on the table here. There's going to be nothing that

964
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: is going to be as interesting as the JT. Real

965
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: Muto offseason. I mean, this is it. This is the

966
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: last great player that they have. They're all Star, and

967
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: one way or the other, either he is going to

968
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: be here long term or or maybe he'll be here

969
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: under his current contract, which would be such a silly

970
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: thing to do. If they if they held it to it.

971
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: But I that's going to be the one to me

972
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 2: that we're going to follow, and I think that will

973
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: be the last big great player on a Marlin story

974
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: for a couple of years. So that's that's what I

975
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: think that I'll be covering.

976
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: Of course, the place to see that is is Swings

977
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: and Misses. They have their own Twitter account. Of course

978
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: you can follow Craig Mish on Twitter. Swings and Misses

979
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: is part of the Five Reasons Sports Network, which has

980
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: really grown and become a huge hub for South Florida

981
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: sports and really excited about the coverage that you guys

982
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: are bringing. Of course, you can listen to Crag on

983
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Sirius XM, where talks fantasy sports, which is something I

984
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about another time for sure.

985
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: Of course, as season comes back around, we'll talk fantasy baseball.

986
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: I wish I could talk fantasy football with you. I

987
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: might do that off the air because I could use

988
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: some advice. One and four so far. But anyways, Craig

989
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Mish on Twitter, Swings and Mishes on Twitter, and of

990
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: course you can see him on Serious XM, and your

991
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: podcast is on iTunes where else can people listen to

992
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: that podcast.

993
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, iTunes, Google Play, Android, anywhere where you can download

994
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: an app. It's Chris Whittingham and even Scoldnick did a

995
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: great job putting the Five Reasons Sports Network together, and

996
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be part of it. And certainly we

997
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: are growing in a lot of different ways, both on

998
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: the air and off the air in terms of advertising

999
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: and things like that. So certainly, anybody who's interested in

1000
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: being part of it, we'd love to have you on board.

1001
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you for having me on the podcast today.

1002
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1003
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure.

1004
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1005
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: And next time we have some big Marlins news, I'm

1006
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: hoping we'll have you on then too.

1007
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm ready to do it whenever you want, all

1008
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: Right, Thank you very much, Craig