1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and President Trump. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Said, I never had the privilege of. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 3: Going to his island about guess who, Jeffrey Epstein. 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 4: We have such a great show for you. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 3: Today as the world churns Andy Levy stop Spy to 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 3: talk about Trump's constant Epstein flubbs, he never knew him. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: Then we'll talk to Texas State Representative James Tellerco about 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: how Democrats can communicate with voters like humans. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: But first the news. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 5: Molly rare in person podcast for you and I. This 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 5: is like the rarest of things we do on this podcast. 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: I feel like we haven't seen each other in a year. 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 4: It's in person. 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 6: It's been about a month that I have to two 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 6: months in person. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right. 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So Molly, the DOJ has sued for the 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 5: Trump administration with holding a memo on Trump's four hundred 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 5: million dollar jet from guitar where he's taking money from 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 5: a nuclear modernization plan that would help keep us safe 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 5: so that he could have a gold toilet in a jet. 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: Well, so this is a watchdog group because Trump's DOJ 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: only works for Trump. So while in a normal administration, 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: which we used to have, you might have a DOJ 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 3: actually have independence from the president, this DOJ Pambondi, serves 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: at the pleasure of one Donald Trump sue she is 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: now being sued or this watchdog group is suing them 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: to release this memorandum. 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: We don't know. 32 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: Again, the administration has said that all of this is classified, 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: that the plane redo is classified. There's no reason for 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: any of this to be classified. It's really classified because 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: Trump is thinking he can get away with avoiding bad press. 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: But the Daniel Ellsberg Chair on Government Secrecy at this 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: watchdog group, you'll remember Daniel Ellsberg as being involved. 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: In the Pentagon papers. 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: It shouldn't take six hundred and twenty days to release 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: a single time sensitive document. How many flights could Trump 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: have taken on his new plane in the same amount 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: of time it would have taken the DOJ to release 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: one document. The complaint filed in the District of Columbia 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: notes that the airplane is set to be donated to 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: Trump's private Presidential Library foundation is second term. By the way, 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: there is no precedent for a country donating a plane 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: to the Air Force or to the President, or to 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: any of this, and then to have it then be 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: kept so that Trump doesn't have to buy another plane 50 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: or use his seven five seven. It's worth remembering that 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: in normal administrations they're not allowed to politic. Any kind 52 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: of campaigning is a Hatch Act violation, so they have 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: to They can't talk about re election campaigns. They can't 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: use the government to enrich themselves. There are all sorts 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: of things that a normal campaign couldn't do that The 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: Trump administration is just full throttle in on and it 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: is just incredible to watch this kind of stuff. There 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: are no words. 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 5: So speaking of things that Trump does that are totally 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 5: corrupt to enrich himself. He used our text dollars to 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 5: open his Scottish golf course. 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: Look, man, that's what he does. But I mean the 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Scottish golf course thing. The best thing about the whole 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: story is that the Scots were like protesting him in 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: a hilarious way. 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: The worst thing. 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: About the whole story is that there's video of him 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: perhaps treating as he golfs. I don't understand golf. I 69 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: don't want to understand golf. The less I know about golf, 70 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: the better. It is fascinating to me that he came 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: out of it with like two things. 72 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: The first day. 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: He was mad about windmills and mad about immigration. I mean, 74 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: this cannot believe that people in this country made this 75 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: guy president again. Like at every point, I'm like, you, guys, 76 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: does nobody remember what happened the first time? The first 77 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: time when they were actually people around him being like 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: you can't do that, as opposed to this time when 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: the people around him are like, oh, mister president, you know. 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 5: Oh I see, I see a spot on your bootick 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 5: a little more right. 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: So look, yeah, I mean this is all it's They're 83 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: just having vacations, doing horrible things to people and spending 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: our tax dollars on truly atrocious things, well, cutting food 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: stamps and medicaid and all of the things that we 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: would like. 87 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: Our tax dollars to be spent on. So here we are. 88 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: He also did do a meeting with the EU Commissioner 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: Ursula vandy Ley, who and that maybe they have a 90 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: trade deal, maybe they don't have a trade who knows. 91 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: I always promised ninety deals in ninety days. It's been 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: more than ninety days and we still have like four 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: or five deals outlines of deals, concepts of a plan. 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm going to take you back to a 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 5: previous player that we don't think about a lot, from 96 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 5: a kind of in between season one, Lezelden. 97 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 6: He went on a little podcast and. 98 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 5: He revealed that the EPA plans to revoke the legal 99 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 5: basis for tackling climate change. 100 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: I mean, these people, if they could kill the planet 101 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: any harder, they would also, I might add there undermining 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: our forecasting, their closing weather satellites. They're not paying for 103 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: the weather balloons. Like the thinking here is if there's 104 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: a big weather catastrophe and we don't know about it, 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: it won't have happened. And it's just so fucking stupid. 106 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: And I think it's worth remembering that Lizelden is just 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: to complete more on. 108 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, and particularly we remember this from the plans that 109 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 5: were laid out in Project twenty twenty five. 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: Yes, Project twenty twenty five. 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: Where everyone where Trump was. 112 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: Like no, I won't do that, and people are like, okay, 113 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: well he said he won't. Yeah, Project twenty twenty five, 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: which they're doing right now. Speaking of Project twenty twenty five, 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: let's talk about the DOJ. 116 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 5: Yes, well, so Judge Bowsburg is someone mister Trump really 117 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 5: doesn't like, so of course his sycophantic ag Pam Bondi 118 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 5: has to come to the rescue. 119 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: So again, this is right from Project twenty twenty five, 120 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: and it's a war on the independent judiciary. But the 121 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: idea here is that the DOJ is an arm of 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: the Trump administration. It's part of this imperial presidency thing 123 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: which we saw about in Project twenty twenty five. And 124 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: the idea here is that everyone serves at the pleasure 125 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: of the president as long as the president is a Republican. 126 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: If the president is a Democrat, that's a totally different story. 127 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: She's mad. 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: She's going to make Judge Bosberg's life a living hell. 129 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no world in which she doesn't do that. 130 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: And the good news is that so far, unlike universities, 131 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: unlike billionaires, unlike many many media organizations, Judge Bosberg, the 132 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: judiciary is in fact holding strong. Now we don't know 133 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: that that continues on, but that is certainly a good thing. 134 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: Andy Levy is the co host of As the World 135 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: Churns and Levin and What's going on. It's nice the 136 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: lighting I'm in Jesse's studio and the lighting has made 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: me look my actual age. 138 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: I feel I don't know what's going on. 139 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: Could if you're watching this on the YouTube, just take 140 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: ten years off my age? Why not? Who among us? 141 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: So you were like, what's going on besides Epstein? Basically 142 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: Epstein is going on like the American people have decided. 143 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like this is how stupid everything is. 144 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: Trump has closing rural hospitals, cutting Medicaid, cutting snap right 145 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: food snamps. We're gonna have all these kids who can't eat. 146 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: But it's Jeff Epp that has unraveled the thing because 147 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: the reality is at to quote philosopher King poet Joe Rogan, uh, 148 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: you know we want answers. 149 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 150 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: Well, I've been saying that. 151 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 7: This is the first you know, Trump voters are very 152 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 7: big on saying this is not what I voted for. 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 7: This is the first time I believed it because they 154 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 7: legitimately did vote thinking they were going to get answers 155 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 7: on Epstein. Why they then voted for the pale of 156 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 7: Epstein is obviously beyond me, but you know, that's the 157 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 7: way we live in right now. But this is legitimately 158 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 7: the first time where I see them saying this and 159 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 7: I see I'm getting upset, and I'm like, all right. 160 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 4: I buy it. 161 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: I buy that you actually didn't. 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 7: You voted for what you thought was the opposite of 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 7: this stupid as that was, but it is legitimately what 164 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 7: you thought as opposed to the you know, the the 165 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 7: deportations and the and all the other stuff that you mentioned, 166 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 7: which Trump clearly signaled ahead of time. 167 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 168 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: Billions of dollars to Ice, right, Yeah, billions dollars to 169 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: Mars at least a little less than a billion dollars, 170 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 3: maybe somewhere between five hundred and nine hundred million dollars 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: to refurbishing Air Force one, a present that Donald Trump 172 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: has taken trip free with no influence, no no influence, 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: fax fayers paying for him to fly to Scotland to 174 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: open a golf course. I think that there are a 175 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 3: lot of things that are keeping me up at night. 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: I'm now at the stage of Trump second from where 177 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: I have anxiety dreams. Do you have anxiety dreams? 178 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 4: I do, but not about Trump. 179 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: Oh I have I have like I have. People are like, 180 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: how's your life, and I'm like, my life in itself 181 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: is fine, right, there's not it. You know it by 182 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: the measures that I measure my own life, they're fine. 183 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: But living through what is clearly at best unprecedented and 184 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: at worst precedented in very bad moments of both American 185 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: history and other countries that have fallen to authoritarian regimes, 186 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: not a good feeling. 187 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 4: No, not a good feeling. 188 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 7: By the way I call anxiety dreams, I just call 189 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 7: them dreams, so you know, I'm not aware of any 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 7: other kind. Look, whatever anxiety dreams I or dreams I 191 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 7: am having, I'm thankful that they're not trupolated because it's 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 7: at least a little bit of a respite. 193 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: From my waking day. 194 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 7: Which is just like it is unreal and as bad 195 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 7: as we all thought this was going to be, and 196 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 7: and you know, we clearly thought it was going to 197 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 7: be bad. The speed and just the overwhelming force of it, 198 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 7: and watching institutions cave in real time and pretty quickly, 199 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 7: it's so overwhelming. It's just every day, it's you know, 200 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 7: And now at the point where I think Columbia, my 201 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 7: alma mater, I'm more embarrassed of them than they are 202 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 7: of me. 203 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: I never thought that would happen. 204 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: What I find really soul crushing, and then I want 205 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: to talk about the good news, which is nothing. Is 206 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: that I find this sort of way in which different 207 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: places have really like Harvard now wants to make a deal. 208 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: It was like two days ago I was talking about 209 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: like how great Harvard is for fighting against the AD 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: and they want to make a deal. CBS, NBC, NBC 211 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: not so much, but CBS, ABC both paid out. We 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: had this incredible moment this weekend where Trump sued Roup 213 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: Murnox Wall Street Journal for publishing this letter, which this 214 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: letter which said, you know, we don't know what that. 215 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: We haven't seen the letter, but we've seen that there 216 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: is this letter, and many people have confirmed that it's 217 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: this letter. I mean, the problem with Glaine the Galain 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: story is that there are so many victims, right, like, 219 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: this might be the largest sex trafficking story in American history. 220 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: Maybe not in American history, but it's one of the 221 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: top I mean, two hundred plus victims. So you can 222 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: never it will always be another victim in this story. 223 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: There will always be another fourteen year old who is 224 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: like Glaine picked me up from school, middle school, not 225 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: high school. Middle school. So if you pardon her, you 226 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: will unleash the floodgates. 227 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: Of more and more more of this. 228 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: So it is Trump is like in this position where 229 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 3: they clearly want her to say he's not in it, right, 230 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: or say something right. I mean, this is clearly the motivation. 231 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: Blanche has gone and met with her. He has. Why 232 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: we don't have the notes, why we don't get information 233 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: about what that meeting was, we don't know. But the 234 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: deputy Attorney general, which is by the way, never happens, right, 235 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: and it's four years after she's been I mean, every 236 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: bit of the Todd Blanche meeting is smacks of some 237 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: kind of shakedown thing because you don't do that. 238 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: But remember Bill Clinton on the tarmac. 239 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: By the way, I love Republicans who are like Bill 240 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: Clinton's in it. Okay, I don't care. Oh, send her 241 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: to Gimo. 242 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I've sent you. Exile him to wherever you're going 243 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: to exile Trump. 244 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: At right next you're gonna say Bill richards is in it. 245 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: Don't care, fine, tout have been the Hague, New Mexican 246 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: governor Democrat Bill Richardson. 247 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: Don't care. 248 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: Send him to the hand I don't care. 249 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 250 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 7: The thing is, you know you kept saying that they 251 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 7: want Maxwell to do this. They want her to lie, 252 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 7: is what they want her to do. Let's let's just 253 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 7: you know, let's name names. 254 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: She seems pretty amenable to that idea for sure. 255 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 7: Let's not forget that she is as guilty as as 256 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 7: Epstein was. Like, she wasn't just she wasn't some poor 257 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 7: flunky who took the hit. 258 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: She was in this. 259 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 7: She was procuring these girls, she was grooming these girls. Yeah, 260 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 7: she she was completely one hundred percent in this. And 261 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 7: the idea that is even being that a pardon for 262 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 7: her is even being floated. And I mean, i mean, look, 263 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 7: every time, you know, it's the what was a great 264 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 7: tweet that's now become a cliche, the you know, I 265 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 7: love to see old Donnie wriggle his way out of 266 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 7: this one. Yeah, you know, And we are at this point, 267 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 7: like it's hard to believe that anything will convince his 268 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 7: base to turn against him, but maybe this. I mean, 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 7: I'm not one hundred percent sold on it, not even close, 270 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 7: but this has a possibility. 271 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: Well, and it's also it's just there's just not a 272 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: clear way out in my mind, right, Like they clearly 273 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: thought we're gonna we'll say we're gonna release the Grand jury. 274 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: All the names are redacted. We know the names are redacted. 275 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: We know it's a high level of a high standard 276 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: to release grand jury testimony. We know it won't work, 277 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: so we'll say that. So then the judges, no, you 278 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: can't release grand jury testimenty okay, oops. But you know 279 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: what it does is it doesn't It just prolongs the 280 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: news cycle. And we know there are hundreds and hundreds 281 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: of pictures and video and whatever, and very likely a 282 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: lot of it is you know, unreleasable because it's pornography, 283 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: child pornography. But but there's certainly I'm sure there are 284 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: pictures of people with their clothes on that would be 285 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: at least you know, we know there are certain people 286 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: we know are involved in that's just you know that 287 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: are in the book, that are in the lists, that 288 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: are in the birthday book. So I do think and 289 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: I do think they're not wrong. It's just that there 290 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: are certain things that this administration has done that are 291 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: horrific on a very large scale. This may be horrific 292 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: in it on a small scale. One of the other 293 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: things I wanted to talk to you about was it's 294 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: like a race and class thing to a certain extent, 295 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: like it's a wealth thing too, Like he said, I'm 296 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: one of you, I'm an outsider. And then here he is, 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: like this guy was like mister insider, right, A ton 298 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: of academics, a ton of wealthy people, a ton of politicians. 299 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: So he's like, I'm an outsider. Oh and for ten 300 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: years I was best friends with this guy who was 301 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: sort of the pinnacle of society and also a sex trafficker. 302 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 7: I find it interesting that, you know, he's sort of 303 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 7: at the very least intimated for a long time that 304 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 7: he stopped being friends with Epstein because of maybe these 305 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 7: savory things, you know, right, styled sex trafficking. And then 306 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 7: the other day he comes out and says, oh, I 307 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 7: stopped in front of him because he kept stealing employees 308 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 7: from mar A Lago. 309 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: Imagine if a Democrat did that. 310 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 4: No, I can't. 311 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: Christine nom posted this photo of her and her friend 312 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: Corey riding horses in Argentina and it was like, I 313 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: never read wrote an Argentinian base, and I'm thinking, like, 314 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 3: you know, the fucking job is to serve the people 315 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: and not to just have great vacations, right, yeah. 316 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, I also feel like riding a horse in Argentina 317 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 7: at the same time that people are calling you a 318 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 7: fascist and the Nazi is like that. 319 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 4: You know, it's a. 320 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 7: Little we're kind of past that at this point. But 321 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 7: to get back to what you were saying, it is 322 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 7: it's class and wealth and all of that. And look, 323 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 7: Trump has somehow again and convince all these people who 324 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 7: voted for him that he is one of them, that 325 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 7: he looks out for them, when in. 326 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: Fact, I mean, you couldn't be more the opposite of that. 327 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 7: And so this issue, I think another reason why this 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 7: is becoming harder and harder for him to overcome or 329 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 7: to make go away. This issue really gets to that 330 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 7: because there are people now walking around thinking, oh my god, wait, 331 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 7: he's actually part of this group. He's not looking out 332 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 7: for me, He's not one of us, He's one of them. 333 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 7: And again, god knows how it took this to make 334 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 7: them figure that out, but that does seem to be 335 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 7: a large part of it. And everything he's doing is 336 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 7: furthering that. And like you said, everything he's doing is 337 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 7: keeping the story alive, whether it's firing was James Comy's daughter, Yes, 338 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 7: And it's just it feels like, if you didn't want 339 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 7: this story to go away. You would do exactly what 340 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 7: the Trump had been is doing, and yet they seem 341 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 7: to be doing it thinking it's going to help make 342 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 7: it go away. 343 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: My man is a very undisciplined politician. He's a very 344 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: undisciplined thinker. There is no world in which this guy, 345 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, any time, and during Trump's first admin, we 346 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: saw is a lot you know, there would be a 347 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: sort of blue and anish like this is this He's 348 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 3: doing that to distract from this, and then he's going 349 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: to do that and then pay attention to what they're 350 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: saying and not what they're doing, you know, or what 351 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: they're doing and not what they're saying. The reality is 352 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: like he just throwing shit on the wall. You know, 353 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: there's no world in always has Yeah, there's no discipline here, 354 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: there's no like master plan. 355 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 7: But also I get really annoyed at the people who 356 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 7: think that the Epstein thing itself is a distraction and 357 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 7: why for a couple of well, that's the thing, like, yes, 358 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 7: as you pointed out earlier, Okay, it might not be 359 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 7: as you know, all encompassing as the you know the 360 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 7: fact that we're at the end of due process in 361 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 7: this country and and things like that. Yeah, yeah, for sure, 362 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 7: but it's still it's still it's child sex trafficking. It's 363 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 7: not a distraction. That's a kind of a gross thing 364 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 7: to say. But also it's not a distraction because of 365 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 7: everything we've been talking about that this is what seems 366 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 7: to be turning his base against him. So, you know, 367 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 7: it really annoys me. I understand why Republicans want to 368 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 7: stay age the distraction, but it annoys me when when 369 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 7: there are Democrats out there saying, oh, we shouldn't focus 370 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 7: on this. I understand again in terms of what's going 371 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 7: on in Gaza and what's going on with the kidnapping 372 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 7: people off the stream and shredding the constitution thing. Sure, 373 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 7: not in the same scope. But still, if this is 374 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 7: the thing that's going to bring Trump down, and it's 375 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 7: goddamn awful in and of itself, don't call it a distraction. 376 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, I mean I don't. It's hard 377 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: to think of anything that unites all of us more 378 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: than child sex trafficking is bad and people should not 379 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: do it, and if they've done it, they should go 380 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: to jail. Like this is not a hard one. There's 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 3: no nuance here, And no, I agree I also think 382 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: this thing is going to go on and on and on. 383 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: One of the things that's happening here is the Republicans 384 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 3: have signed on to the bill, signed have signed this BBB, 385 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: but none of them read it. So now they're learning 386 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: what's in it and is coming as a as a 387 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: delightful surprise. I want to read you something because I 388 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: feel like it's time for amazing show and tell here. 389 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: And you know, there are these recision packages and the 390 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: question of whether or not they can be receded, you know. 391 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: So basically what's happened is in order to pass these 392 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: recision packages, they need to have bipartisan support. Russ Vot 393 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: Architective Project twenty twenty five, which Trump said he knew 394 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: nothing about, but who Also you'll remember that rus Wott 395 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: worked in Trump's first administration. I feel like I take 396 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 3: crazy pills every time we talk about this, because it 397 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: was like Trump was president for four years and he 398 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: did all the stuff. Then he campaigned and he was like, 399 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do all this stuff and everyone was like, no, 400 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: he's not, he's not. He says he's gonna do it, 401 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: but he's not gonna do it. Right, he had this 402 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: thing where they would be like they would just give 403 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: him the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to every 404 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: other politician where they were like, you can't do that. 405 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: You know, you're okay. So now he Republicans are regretting 406 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 3: a tax hike on gamblers they inserted into President Trump's 407 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: megabill calling for it to be repealed. One GOP senator 408 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: said they didn't even know what was in the bill 409 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 3: they voted for. 410 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 8: I mean, take Cruz has said things like this, and 411 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 8: I'll do Do you think that makes you better? I 412 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 8: mean this is literally you have one job, Like your 413 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 8: job is to know what you're voting on. 414 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: Actually think a tax on gamblers back too, might actually 415 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: be like it's this stuff in there that they want, 416 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: like the recision So the last recision packet was money 417 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 3: for pep FAR and also defunding all public radio basically 418 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: all public broadcasting public radio, like sticking it to Sesame 419 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: straight because though you know, cutting the seven dollars they 420 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: get from the federal budget, I mean sticking it you 421 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: Grover and Elmo because they say kindness and kindness is 422 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: obviously will propaganda. Sure, yeah, I. 423 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: Think the solution here is for Elmo to develop a 424 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 4: gambling problem. 425 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 3: It is the only answer, and. 426 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 7: Then he can get money once they take that out 427 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 7: of the bill. But no, you're right. I was making 428 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 7: a different point, but you're absolutely right of all the 429 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 7: things for them to be suddenly like, oh, I wish 430 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 7: I hadn't voted for that. 431 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: It's a tax on gambling. 432 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: You'll be billions of dollars to colonizing mars. I mean 433 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: there are billions of dollars to nefarious shit that we've 434 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: never heard of. And now you're upset about Elmo. 435 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 436 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 7: Oh, and you cut all that You took all that 437 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 7: money away from Medicaid and all of that stuff. 438 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: Andy Levy, Andy Levy, I just got I'm being detained. No, 439 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: I'm not being yet. Will you come back? 440 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 4: I guess all come back. 441 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: James tell Rico represents Texas's fifty second district in the 442 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: Texas House of Representatives. Welcome to past. 443 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: Politics, James, Thanks for having me. 444 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: So we basically we were on TV together this week 445 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: where you were talking and then I was sort of 446 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: reacting to what you said and your state rep from 447 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: Texas possibly maybe open to running for the Texas Cent 448 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: the cent the actual Senate as opposed to the state 449 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: Senate in Texas. And one of the things you talked about, 450 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: which is like one of my peccadillos, one of my obsessions, 451 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 3: is you talked about how you have to go everywhere 452 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: that you will not get in front of Joe Rogan's 453 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: people unless you go on Joe Rogan. So I would 454 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: love you to just explain that more and sort of yeah. 455 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the last election should be a 456 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 4: wake up call for the Democratic Party, and I think 457 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 4: it should push us to get outside of our comfort zone, 458 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 4: outside of our bubbles, and start to go places that 459 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 4: we don't typically go and talk to people we don't 460 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 4: typically talk to, because that be the only way we 461 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 4: can build a big enough, tend to big enough coalition 462 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 4: to transform this state in this country. I mean, you know, 463 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 4: Vice President Harris lost to President Trump by a point 464 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: and a half, which is a close selection. But we 465 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: should never be that close to losing or beating Donald Trump. 466 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 4: We should be beating him with sixty percent of the vote. 467 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 4: That's the kind of coalition I want to build. You, 468 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: a new Deal size coalition, a great society sized coalition 469 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: like we had with another Texas Democrat, Linda Johnson. So 470 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 4: that's I think should be our goal as a party 471 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 4: not to just squeak by in the next election. We 472 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: need to completely change our politics so that we can 473 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 4: gain political power and remake this broken political system so 474 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 4: it can actually work for people again. 475 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: So one of the things that when you get in 476 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: front of I would love you to talk about, like 477 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: getting on Joe Rogan and how that I want you 478 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: to talk us through the whole thing, because Harris did 479 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: not break through, Like she did an amazing job for 480 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 3: being someone with one hundred days, she really did do 481 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: a great job, but she could not break through. And 482 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: we saw that because there were all these Google searches 483 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 3: on election day who is running for president? So that 484 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: means they didn't know who was running for president on 485 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: the Democratic side, so they didn't see it. Right, they're 486 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 3: not reading the New York Times. 487 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right. And you know the moments in 488 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 4: the campaign where the American people heard directly from Vice 489 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 4: President Harris or some of her best moments, right the debate, 490 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: the convention speech. I mean, I you know, you can 491 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 4: always Monday Morning quarterback this stuff. But I think if 492 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 4: Vice President Harris had been on Joe Rogan, I think 493 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: she might have won the election. That's how much faith 494 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 4: I have in her as a as a person, as 495 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: a leader. I think if someone hears directly from Donald 496 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 4: Trump and hears directly from Vice President Harris, I think 497 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: it's a clear choice. The problem is they didn't always 498 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: hear directly from her. There were those moments, but in 499 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 4: this in this day and age, you've got to be 500 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: talking to people directly all the time, and you can't 501 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 4: just do it at the big, you know, peaks of 502 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 4: a campaign, like a debate or a convention. It's got 503 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: to be the whole way through. And that's what that's 504 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: what President Trump was doing, and I do think it's 505 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: why it won. But I don't think that had to 506 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 4: be the result. And so I'm trying to learn from 507 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: those mistakes and I'm trying to put myself in sometimes 508 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 4: uncomfortable positions, right. I mean, I to answer your question 509 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 4: about Joe Rogan, his team emailed us out of the 510 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 4: blue and said that Joe had seen a video of 511 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: mine and would love to have me on. 512 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 6: That was it. 513 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: There was no list of questions, no list of topics. 514 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 4: Didn't even know how long it was going to go, 515 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: didn't know if I was going to get a bathroom break. 516 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 4: I didn't know any of this stuff, and so I 517 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 4: was flying blind. And that's interest. 518 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: So he's in Austin and you just went into his studio, 519 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: and that's right. 520 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 4: Yep, very nondescript. You would not have thought when you 521 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: were outside the the the office that it was the 522 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: biggest podcast in the country. His team was very chill 523 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: and very nonchalant, couple like he is, and and he 524 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 4: was very warm, very curious, very open. 525 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 6: You know. 526 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: I think he and I really hit it off and 527 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: created a connection. We obviously don't see ida on everything, 528 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: but there was a lot of common ground. 529 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 6: Right. 530 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 4: He thinks this political system is corrupt. I absolutely agree 531 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 4: with that. He thinks that both political parties are flawed 532 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 4: and need to change. I agree with that. He thinks 533 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 4: that there should be a more shared prosperity in this country. 534 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: I believes in universal health. It's populized, right, yeah, And 535 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: those are all things that I believe in too. So 536 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 4: that's a lot to build off of. So, you know, 537 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 4: I thought it was a little nerve racking to go 538 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: into a you know, not the most friendly of places 539 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: and have an open ended conversation for two and a 540 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: half hours with no set list of questions or topics. 541 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: But it requires some courage from our elected leaders to 542 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: put yourself in those positions. And I do think that 543 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 4: you get points for that. You may not say everything perfectly, 544 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: you may flub a little bit, you may make a mistake, 545 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 4: and that's okay. People would rather just hear from you directly, 546 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 4: your honest opinions, and I think you can't worry about 547 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 4: having a gaff here and there. That's going to happen. 548 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has gafs all the time, but people hear 549 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: from him, They hear the honesty or what they perceive 550 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 4: is honesty, and it works. And so we've got to 551 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 4: do that on our side. We've got to be ourselves. 552 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: We speak directly, and we've got to be everywhere talking 553 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: to everyone. 554 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: I would love you to tell us what it was 555 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: like after you went on Joe Rogan, Like, what was 556 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: did you did your I mean, did your life change? 557 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: Because this is the thing that I want to get out. 558 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: I want to get people understanding is that part of 559 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: the siloed media means that you only get if you're 560 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: doing certain media, which I work for, you will only 561 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: get in front of certain people, which is great. There's 562 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: you know a lot of very smart people watch MSNBC, 563 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: a lot of very smart But but you in order 564 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: to win at the national level, you also have to 565 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: get in front of all different people. So tell me what, 566 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: how what happened after doing Joe Rogan? 567 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, like right on this show, I'm talking to 568 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: folks who are already in our coalition. Yeah, and that's 569 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: important because we've got to get our act together if 570 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: we're going to start winning political power and making people's 571 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: life better. So sometimes we have to have locker room 572 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: talks with our team, which you know you do on 573 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 4: MSNBC or you do here, and that's super important. But 574 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: then if you want to actually go out there and 575 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: build that big tent, you've got to go on Joe Rogan. 576 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: You've got to go on Fox News, which I've done. 577 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 4: You've got to go on the Christian Broadcasting Network, which 578 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 4: I've done. And those places are sometimes less friendly, and 579 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 4: that's okay. That's part of the job of being an 580 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: elected official is having that courage to go into those places. 581 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 4: But the response has been overwhelming. I mean, in some ways, 582 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 4: you know, I think it was just a podcast, but 583 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 4: you know, in other ways, people are acting like it 584 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 4: was a you know, some kind of democratic moon landing. Right, 585 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: that's one one small step for a Democrat, one giantly 586 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 4: for the Democratic Party. And so the response has just 587 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 4: been overwhelming on our side. But I think the thing 588 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: that is most encouraging is I've just been flooded with 589 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 4: emails and direct messages on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook 590 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: and Twitter where people are saying, you know, I lean right, 591 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: or I both parties, or I can't tell you how 592 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 4: many people have sent me a message of last week 593 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: where they start off with I have never messaged a 594 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: politician before. That is probably the most common thing I've 595 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 4: heard over. 596 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: Which is a good time, because. 597 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the people these are not people who 598 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 4: listen to the show. They don't watch me with NBC. 599 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 4: And some of them have been said like, I didn't 600 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: agree with everything that I heard, but I was struck 601 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 4: by your openness and your honesty, and I was really 602 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 4: interested in some of your thoughts about about big money 603 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 4: and corruption and these billionaire mega donors, and so I 604 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: don't know it just the it's been an avalanche both 605 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 4: on the Democratic side with people who are just kind 606 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 4: of surprised that a Democrat went on this show and 607 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 4: was able to connect. But then I think more importantly 608 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: from a lot of people who are not in a 609 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: democratic coalition, who are are interested in this in my 610 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 4: views and interested in my values and found places to connect. 611 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: And connection is the name of the game in politics. 612 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 4: That's the only thing that matters is are you connecting 613 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 4: with people? And that's the only thing that moves people 614 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 4: to do something like show up to vote or change 615 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: the system oors. 616 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: Other Democrats do go on Rogan, like Bernie is a 617 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: regular Rogan guest or has at least been two or 618 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: three times. We've seen Rokana on Rogan. Threading the need 619 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: all when it comes to democratic populism is not impossible, 620 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: but we have not had big candidates do it, right, 621 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like Rokana and Bernie, it's a 622 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: little bit different. So to have a sort of more 623 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: centrist decandidate trying to thread the populism need all is 624 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: in some ways I think profound. 625 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I just have kind of a simple 626 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 4: criteria when it comes to political communications, which is a 627 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: big part of my job. 628 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 7: Right. 629 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 4: I do a lot of legislative work. I pass a 630 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: lot of bills, But my job also includes communicating with 631 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 4: my constituents and with the broader public. And if you 632 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: can't do that, you don't change public opinion, and you 633 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 4: don't organize or inspire people to change the balance of 634 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 4: power in a place like Texas. So communication is central 635 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: to the job that I have. And when it comes 636 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 4: to that communication, I just try to always be myself 637 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 4: and tell the truth. Those are the two things that 638 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: I that I go into these conversations with. Anything else, 639 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 4: you know, trying to figure out how to thread a 640 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 4: needle or have a certain messaging or whatever. All that 641 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 4: is just takes up too much space in my brain 642 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 4: and so it's just easier to just be myself, flaws included. 643 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 4: And I think, honestly, that's what people are hungry for. 644 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 4: It's why people respond to Donald Trump. They don't agree 645 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 4: with everything Donald Trump says either, but he is himself, 646 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 4: flaws and all. He is unabashed in being himself. And 647 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 4: I do think we need elected officials in our coalition 648 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 4: to do the same thing, hopefully with more character and 649 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 4: integrity and honesty and core values than Donald Trump. But 650 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 4: you really shouldn't shouldn't have the consultant and to full 651 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 4: driven filter that so many of us get trapped into 652 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 4: as politicians. You can kind of see sometimes when politicians 653 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: are like buffering right, Like you get asked a question, 654 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 4: there's like some loading time where they're like putting it 655 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 4: through all these these different layers of that's not going 656 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 4: to cut it anymore, it really is. That's not the 657 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 4: world we live in anymore. Maybe it was in the 658 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 4: eighties and the nineties, it's not the twenty twenties. 659 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 3: I wonder if you could talk about how you have 660 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: this religious background and what that looks like and how 661 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: that sort of informs I mean, I told you I 662 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: try to be myself and that includes my faith, and 663 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it makes people in our coalition uncomfortable. 664 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I've gotten some messages since Rogan saying like, 665 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 4: I don't think you talk this much about religion as 666 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 4: a public official has an opinion. I've gotten some meaner 667 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 4: ones from our fellow progressives who are like, I don't 668 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 4: want to hear about your sky daddy, you know, and 669 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: I understand where that's coming from. 670 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: People have sky daddy. I've never heard of sky daddy. 671 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 4: Since one way one way to describe religion. Yeah, we 672 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 4: wonder why people of faith feel turned off with a 673 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 4: Democratic party. But you know, I get where that's coming from, 674 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 4: because organized religion has done a lot of damage and 675 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 4: it's hurt a lot of people, and so I understand 676 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 4: it comes from a place of of hurt and pain. 677 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 4: And I respect that very much and I want to 678 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: try to build that that divide, but it does. I 679 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 4: have gotten pushback. And again I just say that for 680 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 4: any elected officials or staffers or operators who are listening 681 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 4: to your show, you still have to be yourself, even 682 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: if it's going to ruffle some feathers, even if it's 683 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 4: not gonna You're not gonna be everbody's cup of tea, right, 684 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 4: but but you have to be yourself. And for me, 685 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 4: my faith is why I do this. I mean, it 686 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 4: is the foundation of my life. My granddad was a 687 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 4: Baptist preacher. I grew up in a Presbyterian church. It's 688 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: still the same church I attend today. It's wild I 689 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 4: went into public service. It's why I became a teacher. 690 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 4: It's why I ran for office, because I am called 691 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 4: to love God and love napor or those are the 692 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 4: two commandments that Jesus gave us as Christians, and they're 693 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 4: pretty simple. I mean they're not easy, and they're they're 694 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 4: very difficult sometimes to follow, but it is pretty simple. 695 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 4: And we as Christians are called to move from the 696 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 4: sanctuary where we where we love God, where we where 697 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 4: we where we are in touch with our spiritual selves. 698 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 4: We're called to move from that sanctuary to the streets 699 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 4: where our neighbors are. We're called to feed the hungry 700 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 4: and and heal the sick, and welcome the stranger. Those 701 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 4: are that is essential. I mean, Jesus tells us in 702 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 4: the in the New Testament that that is how we 703 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 4: will be saved. 704 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 6: Right. 705 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 4: Sometimes you hear the word saved and you think it means, 706 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 4: you know, professing some kind of faith or something. But 707 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 4: in Matthew twenty five, Jesus is very clear the way 708 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 4: you will be saved is how you treat the least 709 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 4: of these. And that doesn't mean belonging to a church. 710 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 4: My pastor growing up said, you know, being in church 711 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 4: doesn't make you a Christian, just like sitting in a 712 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 4: garage doesn't make you a car Right, So it is 713 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 4: how you act out in the world. And honestly, I 714 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 4: know a lot of non religious people who are more 715 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 4: christ Like than a lot of people who go to 716 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 4: church every Sunday. But that foundation of faith is why 717 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 4: I do this work, and I can't help but explain 718 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 4: that and talk about that. And I'm not going to 719 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 4: be ashamed or afraid to say those things, even if 720 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 4: it may rubble some feathers in my own coalition. 721 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 3: One of the things that the right really wants is 722 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 3: for centrist Democrats to throw trans children, to throw the 723 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 3: LGBTQ under the bus. I strongly believe that it's nobody's 724 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: goddamn business what people what adult people want to do 725 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 3: to their bodies. 726 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 4: Amen. 727 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 3: But that's just me as a reform Jew. Tell me 728 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 3: what you're thinking is on this? I mean, I just 729 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 3: I saw this video of a Democratic politician saying, no, 730 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 3: a man can't become a woman, and I thought, why 731 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: is it any business of yours? No? 732 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 4: And you may be a reform Jews, not in Texas, 733 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 4: and you have that attitude. I know there are a 734 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 4: lot of Texas Protestants who have that same value of 735 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 4: live and let live. There are a few things that 736 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 4: make our state great. I'm an eight generation to Texan, 737 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: so I love my state more than it's probably healthy 738 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 4: to love a state. But there are kind of two 739 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 4: values that define our state and have throughout our history. 740 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 4: One is freedom Texas. The reason it captures the country's 741 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 4: imagination all the time is because it is in some 742 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 4: ways a frontier right, not just physically or geographically, but 743 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 4: artistically politically right. The Great Society came from Texas. Beyonce 744 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 4: Knowles just came out with the most innovative country album 745 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 4: we've ever seen. She's a Texan, right, like we have 746 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 4: constantly defined the frontier Texans. We're the ones who put 747 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 4: a man on the moon, right. I mean, Texas has 748 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 4: always been about freedom and breaking through from what has 749 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 4: been to what could be, and that value of freedom 750 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 4: of letting people live they want to live is kind 751 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 4: of essential to how Texans see the world. The other 752 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 4: value is friendship. The word Texas comes from the Native 753 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 4: American word for friend, from the Native American word for friend, 754 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 4: and they didn't use that word to describe a friend 755 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 4: in their own tribe. They use that word to describe 756 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 4: a friend in a different tribe. In other words, I 757 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 4: think a better translation is ally right. Someone who's different 758 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 4: from you but is your friend, is your ally across 759 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 4: lines of difference. And that's what makes Texas so great, 760 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 4: is we're this big mashup of all these different people 761 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 4: and cultures and ideas and food and music. We're this 762 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 4: big melting pot. We're kind of America on steroids in 763 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 4: Texas and our elected leaders in recent years, certainly of 764 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 4: the last twenty years, as these kind of right wing 765 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 4: extremists have taken over our state, they've forgotten those two 766 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 4: values of freedom and friendship that have defined our state 767 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 4: throughout our history. And so I think kind of getting 768 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 4: back in touch with those values is really necessary if 769 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 4: we're going to navigate some of these issues that are 770 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 4: dividing us. 771 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 3: Such a good point. Thank you for joining us, James. 772 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, well we fast. Thanks for having me, and I'd 773 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 4: love to come back. 774 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely do and I hope to see you. 775 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 6: A moment. 776 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 3: Secret Jesse Cannon Smiley. 777 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 5: There's this Congressman Randy Fine, who is on you and 778 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 5: I's radar, But I think he only got onto the 779 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 5: radar of people in the last few weeks that oh boy, 780 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 5: this guy is one of the worst. He was the 781 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 5: author of the thumb thumbplaw, you know, the law in 782 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 5: Florida where you can run over protesters called the thumb thumb. 783 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 6: It really is called the thumb thumbplaw. 784 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 5: I fact checked that and then thought about what I 785 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 5: might do with a rope to myself. So anyway, he 786 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 5: has been saying such aggressively awful things about nuking Gaza, 787 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 5: for example, that he's gotten the unlikely pushback from both 788 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 5: Apak and Marjorie Taylor Green, who went scorched Earth on 789 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 5: him in a tweet. 790 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 3: Well, Marjorie Taylor Gran, who is no buddy's friend. 791 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 5: And nobody's I think she's running for Ted Cruz number 792 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 5: two in the way that she alienates everyone. 793 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 3: Yes, well, first of all, I want to point out 794 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 3: that actually Apak said that, so they went against him 795 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 3: because he came out as pro starving children, which is 796 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: what actually is happening in Gaza. But I guess you're 797 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 3: not allowed to say it as what it is. Release 798 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: the hostages until then starve away. These are like children 799 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 3: babies dying of malnutrition. This is a hard thing to 800 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 3: talk about because there was so much weirdness here, but basically, 801 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green is against the famine Gaza. 802 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 5: She called it a genocide. She's the first Republican to 803 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 5: call it that, But she was also against that Randy 804 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,959 Speaker 5: Fine seemed to be an opportunist for his congressional seek 805 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 5: because she thinks you should be an honest, true believer 806 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 5: and not just want to live in Washington outside your district. 807 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 3: Right. 808 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 2: I read that that was really interesting. 809 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 3: I don't know. 810 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 6: Her oral compass is always very interesting. 811 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 3: They've gotten very far around here with Marjorie Taylor Green. 812 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 3: But I think it's important to remember that we really 813 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 3: need food to Gaza at this point. Let's just save 814 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 3: the people who can be saved. Let's get some food 815 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 3: in there, Let's get some aid in there to these children. 816 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 3: We don't have to litigate anything. Let's just save the 817 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 3: children of Gaza. It has nothing to do with anything 818 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 3: but saving whoever can be saved there. It's time to 819 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 3: allow food in there and allow medical stuff. 820 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 2: It's enough. 821 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 3: And I think that as a Jew, I know my 822 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 3: religion tells me that there is no place for starving 823 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 3: children in this world, and so that this has that. Honestly, 824 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 3: it's time to allow food into Gaza. It doesn't matter 825 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 3: what else is happening, it doesn't just let's just get 826 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: food into Gaza. Let's try to save whoever we can 827 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 3: save their food and medicine. And I don't think we 828 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 3: even need to argue about anything else at this moment. 829 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 6: Well, I'm gonna argue for woke March retailer. 830 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 3: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 831 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 3: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 832 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 3: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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