Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: We do like to let the listeners, and you're welcome
Speaker 1: for this listeners. Let the listeners get to know us
Speaker 1: a little bit better by telling them some stuff we
Speaker 1: think is overrated, some stuff we think is underrated. Paul,
Speaker 1: do you want us to you want to kick us
Speaker 1: off with oted?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, speaking of this weekend? You know it's
Speaker 2: overrated history. We're not learning from it? Why are we studying?
Speaker 1: Ittill? We are?
Speaker 2: Are the point if you can do a Nazi salute
Speaker 2: in the middle of everything and the ADL is like,
Speaker 2: well he's just in.
Speaker 1: Threes are just an awkward gesture done very enthusiastically.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I'm like everybody's like, we got to learn
Speaker 2: from the mistakes of history. I'm like, I feel like
Speaker 2: just current empathy isn't working. So like, how are we
Speaker 2: try to outsmart history? Sorry, history heads, I'm getting dumber
Speaker 2: as we speak. Yeah, fuck history, I care cares about
Speaker 2: where I came from or what happened or why we
Speaker 2: have the values we care about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that my overrated is uh giving apps
Speaker 1: five stars? Like every time. It feels like every time
Speaker 1: I encounter an app, Like I'm using Microsoft Outlook as
Speaker 1: an email client because it is mandated by my workplace,
Speaker 1: and they ask if I want to rate them, and
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, I like check. I was like, what
Speaker 1: what kind of ratings are is Microsoft Outlook? Kind of
Speaker 1: ratings is Instagram getting it's it's five stars? Like across
Speaker 1: the board, Like this industry that we are now aware
Speaker 1: is trying to take away our free will is successfully
Speaker 1: take away our free will and is now openly in
Speaker 1: league with the Trump administration. They're like on the veranda
Speaker 1: as he's getting sworn in, Like we're just giving them
Speaker 1: default five stars. Like I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: recalibrate our grading curve when it comes to to the
Speaker 1: apps that these massive companies are putting out, like start
Speaker 1: with a baseline of zero, and if they do something
Speaker 1: that suggests that they're not going to try to rob
Speaker 1: you a free will or like destroy democracy in order
Speaker 1: to gain power, they like get up to one one star.
Speaker 2: You know, I think there should be multiple like axes
Speaker 2: on which you can rate it, so you could be like, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah it's super fascist, but also I'm still addicted to it,
Speaker 2: so like you know what I mean, don't take it away,
Speaker 2: but like change it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to figure it, Like,
Speaker 1: is this just because it's the equivalent of like ask
Speaker 1: it like a drug dealer being like, hey, could you
Speaker 1: rate and review drugs before I give you your nextra drug?
Speaker 2: That is so funny. They're like, let me cater this
Speaker 2: algorithm to you in this myth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Twenty seven million people have rated Instagram and
Speaker 1: the average rating is an A. It's four point seven
Speaker 1: out of five. That's ninety four percent.
Speaker 2: What if every standing meeting Mark Zuckerberg walks in and
Speaker 2: he's like, how are we doing, folks, and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: the ratings are still at.
Speaker 1: Five keep going. Yeah. I mean, I think like it
Speaker 1: got started out at a real high level. I guess
Speaker 1: like when people were just like, gee, whiz apps, what
Speaker 1: can't the tech industry do? And now they're just like
Speaker 1: still there, Like Microsoft Outlook, a fucking email client that
Speaker 1: like most people who use it are like, this is
Speaker 1: really frustrating and like doesn't work that well. Is that
Speaker 1: four point eight out of five? That's like almost an
Speaker 1: A plus? Like what why are we? Why do we
Speaker 1: grade like we're the hotel management department at like Alabama
Speaker 1: giving like all the football players just like good grades
Speaker 1: to like get their eligibility up. It's just Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's goodwill left over from the tech
Speaker 1: industry from like two thousand and eight, but I feel
Speaker 1: like we need to just say enough is enough and
Speaker 1: start like giving these apps zero stars.
Speaker 2: They aren't immigrant uber drivers, Okay, we need to really
Speaker 2: judge them right.
Speaker 1: Uh by the way. Uh. Brian the Editor has gone
Speaker 1: to the Google play Store to check out the reviews
Speaker 1: for the app Covenant Eyes, which has actually is actually
Speaker 1: earning a meager four point six, which is like an
Speaker 1: A minus. Actually coveted eyes. Are you aware of polity
Speaker 1: of Covenant Eyes? This is the app. So, this is
Speaker 1: the app that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson uses
Speaker 1: to keep him himself and his teenage son from jacking
Speaker 1: off to internet porn. And we covered it when it
Speaker 1: was first in house.
Speaker 2: For internet porn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's chastity Belt for internet porn, you essentially have
Speaker 1: spyware installed on your phone that will tell on you
Speaker 1: the second you look at porn to another like partner,
Speaker 1: another like accountability partner, and it's uh, it's apparently working
Speaker 1: for these ten points, like basically eleven thousand people who
Speaker 1: have reviewed it as getting an as you'd think that
Speaker 1: there would be more people being like, fuck, this thing
Speaker 1: just told my dad that I was jacking off like that.
Speaker 2: I know they're like, we hope it wouldn't work. I
Speaker 2: feel like, if you have a problem like that, going
Speaker 2: to like another app isolation thing isn't the best solution. Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like, amidst all of these issues that you're having,
Speaker 2: maybe like connect with people who could help, like human beings, Yeah,
Speaker 2: who could help you, rather than being like punish me.
Speaker 2: That might be a kink. What if they're like if
Speaker 2: getting punished by Covenant eyes, they're like, yeah, I been
Speaker 2: a bad boy.
Speaker 1: I do feel like in the popular consciousness, at least,
Speaker 1: people who are obsessed with sexual purity also tend to
Speaker 1: be the people who are like in a dark room
Speaker 1: on their knees, like whipping their own back, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so uh, Bran the editor does not work brand. The
Speaker 1: editor has pulled this quote from the reviews. Uh, this
Speaker 1: was very helpful in my pursuit of sexual purity. So yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: virgin job, it's fine to be a virgent. You're fine.
Speaker 1: If you're a virgin, it's fine. It's fine. Weird times,
Speaker 1: I say, we stopped giving the tech industry the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt and start grading them, Uh, taking into
Speaker 1: account what they're doing to human civilization. Jody, what is
Speaker 1: something do you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: Uh? Well, my underrated it relates to something I've been
Speaker 4: noodling with lately, and I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Relating just electric guitar.
Speaker 4: My underrated is drinking.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: So I've been thinking the cold No, it's related a
Speaker 4: little too. Uh, it's related a little to dry January
Speaker 4: going on all around. And then you know, the Surgeon
Speaker 4: General recently issued that the sort of warnings on alcohol
Speaker 4: and basically said like no drinking is good for you,
Speaker 4: and or any drinking is bad for you. And then
Speaker 4: just in general this you know, these kind of stats
Speaker 4: and just this cultural thing that we all see of
Speaker 4: like drinking has diminished considerably, especially among young people. And
Speaker 4: I've been thinking of the last couple of weeks about
Speaker 4: that trend. And on the one hand, I like, you know,
Speaker 4: I've cut back my drinking a fair amount, and I think,
Speaker 4: like drinking is pretty harmful. But I've also been thinking
Speaker 4: that maybe that the like decline in drinking might be
Speaker 4: a symptom of or a symbol of, like the people
Speaker 4: called the loneliness epidemic. But like, I really feel like
Speaker 4: there's a chance that it, like young people aren't not
Speaker 4: drinking because they're like making healthy choices, but because they're
Speaker 4: at home on screens alone, and I.
Speaker 1: Think that's like, yeah, by themselves.
Speaker 4: You know, And so like, I don't know, It's just
Speaker 4: been this interesting kind of thing I've been trying to
Speaker 4: puzzle through because there's part of me that's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: drinking is really harmful, but then this part of me
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we need to go out and like
Speaker 4: grab a couple of drinks with friends, Like we need
Speaker 4: more of that. We are very isolated from one another.
Speaker 2: So I'm just you know, I would also like there
Speaker 2: should be more options. I think things being open longer
Speaker 2: should be more, like should have more options like juice
Speaker 2: bars and coffee places. Like people were talking about how
Speaker 2: we need more twenty four hour like coffee places or whatever,
Speaker 2: like where people can go hang out and just like
Speaker 2: chat and have things be open. I think, like drinking
Speaker 2: is sanctioned at night, you know, and so those places
Speaker 2: stay open. But I think if we just had more
Speaker 2: like what is it called, like third third space spaces, yeah,
Speaker 2: even you know, I think a lot of people do
Speaker 2: stuff in like parks and things, but they're not always
Speaker 2: in the best situations or available or whatever. So I agree, Like,
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about the loneliness thing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: we all need. And people were talking about how we
Speaker 2: don't have enough house parties and then we were like,
Speaker 2: we don't own houses, Like what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, man, nine years ago, I would have
Speaker 1: agreed with you so hard on this one. But we
Speaker 1: should drink more, too hard in fact, and now I
Speaker 1: don't drink anymore. But uh yeah, I agree that. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's good to have a place something
Speaker 1: that gets us out. I think I think social isolation
Speaker 1: is a major problem. Yeah, And it sounds like America's
Speaker 1: top doctor, the Surgeon General, caught the woke mind virus
Speaker 1: and needs to be stopped that's exactly what I do.
Speaker 1: Just want to say, like, this is too bad.
Speaker 2: We can't be vaccinated against the Pokemond.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean listen, I've got a couple
Speaker 1: of podcasts I'm gonna recommend for you that I kind
Speaker 1: of function as a vaccine.
Speaker 2: By the way, who is Joe Rogan? And I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think there could be a
Speaker 1: more New York take that is anti La than you
Speaker 1: talked to to La. People are more like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: if I if I hadn't gotten off at nine years
Speaker 1: ago and switched over to meditation, I would agree with you.
Speaker 2: I suggested juice Bars.
Speaker 1: Juice Bars probably did suggest juice Bars.
Speaker 2: Another smoothie at Arawa.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. We didn't do an overrated Do
Speaker 1: you do you have something you thinks overrated?
Speaker 2: Mo?
Speaker 5: Overrated email? I think bring back the postal service.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love sending postcards and letters. Yeah, I would like.
Speaker 5: And now it's like I'm disappointed my mail is all
Speaker 5: junk all the time. I would prefer I get real mail,
Speaker 5: and uh, I don't need email. It's it's also ninety
Speaker 5: nine percent junk.
Speaker 1: Capitalism really just breaks everything, just ruins everything moves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just wait, I haven't. Let's just do it
Speaker 2: a little bit more and see if it works out.
Speaker 2: Let's just do I.
Speaker 1: Was just thinking about like how bad the internet, like
Speaker 1: just like shopping for something online and like that they're
Speaker 1: like the first five results if you're shopping for something.
Speaker 5: Well, I hate now how they've made it so when
Speaker 5: you google anything, the AI results come up first.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have an example in today's episode of this.
Speaker 5: It's sociating because I don't and then like ever and
Speaker 5: there's no way to turn it off.
Speaker 2: And people don't notice, like people just because it looks
Speaker 2: like just the regular answers or like an article or something,
Speaker 2: so people I don't know. And also like.
Speaker 5: Creeping the Wikipedia. Yeah, just information and scraping it and
Speaker 5: getting something partially wrong.
Speaker 1: Usually if we could like take today's Internet and show
Speaker 1: it to ourselves in the year two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: we would be like, what happened? What's the I think
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 2: I think we'd be like, oh my god, we live
Speaker 2: in smart house. And I feel like people pay attention
Speaker 2: to that movie. It was ahead of its time.
Speaker 1: It's everything, so you just have to like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are tricks for getting around it, but like it
Speaker 1: is by default just coming out.
Speaker 5: I have an idea to rebuild society, which is to
Speaker 5: go take it back to nineteen ninety nine, the last
Speaker 5: good year. I think it's it's just y two k
Speaker 5: rebuild plan.
Speaker 2: But like with the progressive social stances we have now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe like two thousand and three. I think it's
Speaker 5: like I want to cap it at digital cameras. Yes,
Speaker 5: cell phones, but no smartphones.
Speaker 1: Right, which seems to be the direction things are headed.
Speaker 2: Like I watched this clip of Cameron Diaz talking about
Speaker 2: how she was on a press tour for Charlie These
Speaker 2: Angels with Drew Barrymore and Lucy Lou and they land
Speaker 2: in Japan and everybody's holding up phones and they were like,
Speaker 2: what are they doing? And they were and the person
Speaker 2: that they were with was like, they're taking pictures of you.
Speaker 2: They can do it on their phones. And they all
Speaker 2: have like the realization at the same time that they
Speaker 2: like it's over for them, like they'll never have a
Speaker 2: moment of peace again or be able to do anything
Speaker 2: without somebody knowing, like they all discovered camera phones at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But then Cameron Diaz retired. Wisely, she just retired,
Speaker 5: but she retired for a long time. She did the
Speaker 5: Jena Marbles. She was like, you know what, I'm good.
Speaker 5: I made the men love that.
Speaker 1: Cameron is actually short for a camera phone, that is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still remember I like pitch. I worked for my
Speaker 1: job after Pool, What the Soho House was like? Working
Speaker 1: for ABC News, and I pitched a story about like
Speaker 1: how guys like we're gonna have phones, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: cam camera is fucking everywhere, Like think about how weird
Speaker 1: that's going to be. And they're like, yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like a news story. Get the fuck.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I remember the first time I saw somebody use a
Speaker 5: digital camera and show me, like, look, you can see
Speaker 5: what the picture looks like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like what can see it immediately?
Speaker 5: It does make you feel like we had to walk
Speaker 5: eight miles through the snow telling people like no, you
Speaker 5: had to go develop the photos and you didn't know
Speaker 5: if any of them would turn out even like vaguely
Speaker 5: good or even just like you could see them, some
Speaker 5: of them would just be bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so crazy because I was born in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: so like my mom her ultrasound was an iPhone.
Speaker 5: Of course you went to the three D sound imaging
Speaker 5: at the galleria.
Speaker 1: Ye, I'm always like, what, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we're back, and Chris,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests. Also, what's something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: I do that, man, I forgot that that was so
Speaker 6: deep or so sad when I just brought up that,
Speaker 6: I forgot that was your underrated that Yeah, that sucks
Speaker 6: dad or whatever. Oh oh good, death overrated. First of all,
Speaker 6: I'm thirteen years sober today. If anyone wants to reach
Speaker 6: out to me about sobriety, I'm always open to that.
Speaker 6: I also used to have a really good time drinking,
Speaker 6: so I'm not you know, I just can't do it anymore.
Speaker 6: But I'm not like, if you do drink, you know,
Speaker 6: and you're having fun, that rules. I wish I could drink,
Speaker 6: because now seems like it'd be a really good time
Speaker 6: to drink. Yeah, if you were good at it, but
Speaker 6: I'm not. So I've been sober for thirteen years and
Speaker 6: so I'm very grateful for the support. I'm grateful for
Speaker 6: the zeitgeist for allowing me to talk about it, even
Speaker 6: though it's not the most entertaining topic all the time.
Speaker 6: I'll never forget that. Remember the live one Jack where
Speaker 6: we had that one about the year two thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and you asked me like it was in person, and
Speaker 6: and and we had the chat in front of us
Speaker 6: on a big screen, and it was like blazing by
Speaker 6: all the like hello Jack or whatever, just a converse.
Speaker 6: Remember they like all this shit going by. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: I said Jackie's I said. They said, what's overrated? I said,
Speaker 6: alcohol and some I just saw a comment that just
Speaker 6: said I paid ten dollars to go to an AA meeting,
Speaker 6: which I saw and I said, I'm so sorry. If
Speaker 6: I was still drinking, I'd be so angry right now.
Speaker 6: So uh, anyway, but if you are having any trouble,
Speaker 6: please dm me on Instagram or whatever. I'm happy to
Speaker 6: talk anytime. Yeah, but overrated, I would say looking at maps,
Speaker 6: because I will tell you I went to I did
Speaker 6: a show on the way to Chicago in Kirksville, Missouri,
Speaker 6: and it was absolutely a blast. But if I had
Speaker 6: known where Kirksville, Missouri was, I would never have gone. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because I don't. I was like Missouri, how far can
Speaker 6: it be.
Speaker 1: Just faced like, I'll stop by that stay on my
Speaker 1: way to others. State is uh, yeah.
Speaker 6: Well here's the problem. Was like, it's not how far
Speaker 6: Kirksville was, but that I I just on my own
Speaker 6: decide it was on the way to Chicago.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I like, they kept saying, we can't believe
Speaker 6: you came. We can't believe you came. And I was like,
Speaker 6: I don't see what the big deal is. It's on
Speaker 6: the way to Chicago, and they said, no, it's not.
Speaker 6: When I found that out, but it ended up being
Speaker 6: because it was eight hours to Kirksville from Nashville. I
Speaker 6: was thinking of Saint Louis was like the top of
Speaker 6: the state or something, so that's five hours. So I
Speaker 6: had no idea it was eight hours. Yeah, but I
Speaker 6: don't care. I'm down for an adventure. That's the other
Speaker 6: thing is like I want to kind of know where
Speaker 6: I'm going, but I find out when I put it
Speaker 6: in the machine. You know, So eight hours. But then
Speaker 6: I didn't check what happens from Kirksville to Chicago. So
Speaker 6: I said to my friends in Chicago, like I'll be
Speaker 6: done in Kirksville, Like probably morning of Thursday, so I'll be.
Speaker 1: Up you think that's like thirty five forty men or
Speaker 1: whatever it is Monday.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'll be up there in like three
Speaker 6: and hours hours or whatever. And then I looked at
Speaker 6: the thing. It's like six hours.
Speaker 1: Another six yeah, and that's when it really get to you,
Speaker 1: the second leg of the trip.
Speaker 6: But it was so great. And I don't want to
Speaker 6: hype Kirksville, but everywhere I go, I want to move
Speaker 6: there if there's like one nice person there, because especially
Speaker 6: I'm so fucking mad at Nashville. So I'm like, oh boy,
Speaker 6: oh boy, this place rules. Maybe I'll move here.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, yeah, you should know.
Speaker 3: For they were like, all forty people want to move out,
Speaker 3: all forty people.
Speaker 6: The forty people in this room are the only cool
Speaker 6: forty people.
Speaker 1: We all know each other by name.
Speaker 6: Also, if you come, you have to bring a woman.
Speaker 6: Oh Jesus, they're like, there are no do not come
Speaker 6: here single.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a club. They're like, I.
Speaker 6: Mean they're just telling filling me in, like, hey, this
Speaker 6: isn't near Chicago. I don't want to move here. But
Speaker 6: I had so much fun because it's a farm town
Speaker 6: that has a university and and they had a great
Speaker 6: college radio station that was like playing M and M
Speaker 6: and shit. It was fun, so fun, you know, it
Speaker 6: felt like it felt like and I am not opposed
Speaker 6: to finding small communities, like moving somewhere where you can
Speaker 6: feel fucking sane, you know. So I don't think that
Speaker 6: that is self preservation. There's no shame in like being
Speaker 6: like Nashville is becoming a you know, a venture capital nightmare.
Speaker 6: If I'm just trying to figure out, like I could
Speaker 6: fight that. I ran for office, but I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 6: I am not gonna win that battle. Nashville wants it
Speaker 6: to be. The powers that be in Nashville are not
Speaker 6: this is I'm not gonna nobody's turning this around. So
Speaker 6: I was just like Kirksville. Maybe not, you know, it's
Speaker 6: not as close to Chicago as I thought.
Speaker 3: But but anyway, maybe maybe you have a nice little
Speaker 3: apartment there where rent is two hundred and seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, six guys got together and rented a storefront in
Speaker 6: the old like town square that used to sell like
Speaker 6: grain and stuff, and they just rent a storefront and
Speaker 6: have shows in there. They just put up some Christmas
Speaker 6: lights and they have a coffee maker and it was
Speaker 6: amazing and they had a great band that played. And
Speaker 6: it turns out that Truman University in that area is
Speaker 6: like a liberal arts college. Like it was a public school,
Speaker 6: so it was cheap, but it was a liberal arts model,
Speaker 6: so it was like kind of like a way for
Speaker 6: people couldn't afford a fancy you know, go to fucking
Speaker 6: Harvard or I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what a liberal art school is, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it was like.
Speaker 6: An artsy college for at a public price. So that's interesting.
Speaker 6: And then on top of that, an hour away in Iowa.
Speaker 6: That's how close I was. I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 6: right by, No, it's right near Nashville.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Iowa.
Speaker 6: So Iowa has a town called Fairfield, Iowa that's the
Speaker 6: center of transcendental Meditation. It was like built around that.
Speaker 6: That was an hour away from Kirksville. So I didn't
Speaker 6: really know. There was like these little like sort of
Speaker 6: actual outposts in like I mean, there aren't that many,
Speaker 6: you know, and they're like the outpost is forty people,
Speaker 6: you know, and they're all here and they're all dudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyway, there are cool towns. So don't great
Speaker 1: land that aren't like the Big three like cities and
Speaker 1: that have amazing people in them.
Speaker 6: You know, So load up your debit card and don't
Speaker 6: look at maps. There you go, just just drive, get
Speaker 6: extra couple of tanks of gas that you didn't know about.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's get into just real quick.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about We're at the one week
Speaker 1: anniversary of Biden's last minute Equal Rights Amendment statement, his
Speaker 1: like big flourish as he left office. That feels like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a good metaphor for his his whole thing,
Speaker 1: his whole administration. So he declared that the Equal Rights
Speaker 1: Amendment is now quote, the law of the Land, guaranteeing
Speaker 1: all Americans equal rights and protections under the law, regardless
Speaker 1: of their sex. And so a lot of people pointed
Speaker 1: out that this, like implied in this was that he
Speaker 1: was then going to order the Archivist of the United
Speaker 1: States to publish the Equal Rights Amendment. That was like
Speaker 1: the actual like physical thing that needed to happen, like
Speaker 1: the follow up to be like, yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. A lot of people have also pointed out,
Speaker 1: like Trump would have probably found a way to overturn this,
Speaker 1: and he like couldn't have necessarily gotten away with it,
Speaker 1: but like making the statement suggested that he had like
Speaker 1: thought through that and like done some legwork to make
Speaker 1: these things possible now, and instead, not only had he
Speaker 1: not done that leg work, not like worked with because
Speaker 1: his own Department of Justice had previously ruled like that
Speaker 1: he couldn't do this, and so when he made the statement,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh shit, he like worked with the
Speaker 1: DOJ and like got them to like on board. So
Speaker 1: didn't do that. So hadn't even like done that work
Speaker 1: and then didn't do the follow up call with the look,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fucking archivist is like, I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that, but like presumably the Biden,
Speaker 1: the top people in the president's cabinet and staff should know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were like, our position is he said it, so
Speaker 1: the archivist should just publish it because of that thing
Speaker 1: he said, just shirking all responsibility for what happens next.
Speaker 1: So essentially he made this big statement to quote I
Speaker 1: think it was a Jezebel article. The declaration quote doesn't
Speaker 1: mean shit, and nothing happened, and it just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like he has a futility fetish. Like I
Speaker 1: remember multiple times during his presidency where he would like
Speaker 1: say he was doing a thing and then not be
Speaker 1: able to do the thing and then be like, what
Speaker 1: the well, you know what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: My hands are tied, and in this case, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember it. With regards to student
Speaker 1: debt forgiveness. I know he did do a lot of
Speaker 1: student debt forgiveness, but when it came to like predictable
Speaker 1: pushback from the Supreme Court and Republicans and businesses, and then,
Speaker 1: you know, the place that it was most obvious was
Speaker 1: like with Israel, where he spent the year and a
Speaker 1: half like talking about how poed he was that net
Speaker 1: and Yahu wouldn't listen to him, Like it's like he
Speaker 1: thinks he's getting like a's for efforts on all of
Speaker 1: these things. And yeah, I think this is how you
Speaker 1: get to a place where not just the extremely rich
Speaker 1: think authoritarian authoritarianism is a good idea because it like
Speaker 1: allows them to be corrupt and continue getting richer. But like,
Speaker 1: also it seems like a bunch of people think authoritarianism
Speaker 1: is a good idea because you have just lived through
Speaker 1: a bunch of presidencies, whereas the world literally burns, the
Speaker 1: president keeps like throwing his hands up and being like
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Or in the case
Speaker 1: of Obama, like bailing out Wall Street and like making
Speaker 1: fucking people pay for the bailout with taxes, while after
Speaker 1: running as like the Hope and Change candidate, like it's.
Speaker 6: That I cried when he was elected, I'm so happy, yeah,
Speaker 6: and then I felt totally ripped off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's been bad, bad times
Speaker 1: for the brand of like the US president getting shit done,
Speaker 1: and so with like I just I think that's important
Speaker 1: context for like what we're seeing now where Trump is
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm going to be a fucking dictator,
Speaker 1: and you know, a bunch of albeit racist people seem
Speaker 1: to like be like hell yeah, let's let's let's see
Speaker 1: where we're going with it.
Speaker 6: Well, it also feeds into conspiracy theories because why in
Speaker 6: the world, if this, if the Democrats were so upset
Speaker 6: about Trump being an existential threat, why in the world
Speaker 6: didn't they go all out to pass every executive order,
Speaker 6: every single possible thing in the last few months. And
Speaker 6: they didn't. They didn't do fucking anything. They've packed up,
Speaker 6: and I think the Democrats kind of acted like, well,
Speaker 6: we tried to teach these dumb ass racists and idiots
Speaker 6: what it's like, you know. We tried to show that
Speaker 6: this is the most pragmatic way to be, is the
Speaker 6: way we are being. We have to like, you know,
Speaker 6: like but see you later. You know what we did
Speaker 6: our part. We can't help if everybody's an idiot, Like,
Speaker 6: see you guys later, have fun, Like we're just gonna
Speaker 6: retreat to Martha's vineyard where we already lived, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: I think it's Pod Save America, which I'm even mad.
Speaker 6: I'm so mad at Pod Save America. And I don't
Speaker 6: even ever watch it or really have never seen it.
Speaker 6: I've seen just bits of it, and I want to fuck.
Speaker 1: I just want to.
Speaker 6: I just can't believe. You know, you can't say Pod
Speaker 6: Save America when you're the ones who fucked America, right,
Speaker 6: You're the guys who fucking put Obama in office, and
Speaker 6: as in a way a trick, like as a trick.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if Obama was used, but
Speaker 6: they wouldn't allow him to do hope and change if
Speaker 6: he was really wanting to right. You know, I just
Speaker 6: feel like a combination. It feels like it was a combination,
Speaker 6: but it does.
Speaker 1: I do know.
Speaker 3: Like one of the things that it's annoying about our
Speaker 3: Democratic leaders and also what we see with the Republican
Speaker 3: leaders that come into office, whether it is through Congress
Speaker 3: or the presidency, is the fact that you know, it's
Speaker 3: a lot. It feels like it's a lot of talk
Speaker 3: talk talk, talk talk for your side apparently, and then
Speaker 3: on the left side, with the leaders that are in office,
Speaker 3: it's all to talk, no follow through, and they are
Speaker 3: trying to placate to both sides in a way that
Speaker 3: doesn't work because you they're never gonna they're never gonna
Speaker 3: like what you are are doing, like and I know
Speaker 3: it's more complex and nuanced than that, but what that
Speaker 3: allows him to do is to just like what Biden
Speaker 3: did throughout this whole administration, is I'm gonna do this
Speaker 3: and then make a hot half ass try at it
Speaker 3: and then never fucking do it or it doesn't go
Speaker 3: all the way through. And it's like, Nigga, you've been
Speaker 3: in office for ninety five fucking years, you know how
Speaker 3: this game is, like, you know, you know, like this
Speaker 3: isn't new to you. So and so what that means
Speaker 3: is like if I do something and I know what
Speaker 3: the outcome is, but I'm doing it to make the
Speaker 3: people who are ignorant to the process think that I'm
Speaker 3: doing something, I'm being manipulative. Yeah, like and that's what
Speaker 3: it feels like. That's what Biden did for four years.
Speaker 3: It was just like mass manipulation to the people who
Speaker 3: put him in office.
Speaker 6: And was that his intention, do you think? Or was
Speaker 6: that something that he just couldn't help but do because
Speaker 6: he was too in front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out, Like is
Speaker 1: it is it like a thing where he's letting himself
Speaker 1: off the hook by being like, look, I just did
Speaker 1: this thing, and I tried, I tried my best, and
Speaker 1: like he's I'm gonna go down in history as that
Speaker 1: tried my best president. Or if he was literally thinking
Speaker 1: that he could get up there and people were so
Speaker 1: like not savvy and checked out that they would just
Speaker 1: be like there he did the thing.
Speaker 3: You know, Because here's the thing with Obama and I'm
Speaker 3: not excusing Obama. Look, I love you, I'm a black man.
Speaker 3: We had a black president I'm from Chicago. We had
Speaker 3: a Chicago president. That will always mean something to me, Like,
Speaker 3: it will always mean something to me, and anybody who
Speaker 3: says it shouldn't consuck the deepest levels.
Speaker 4: Of my dick.
Speaker 3: But like, and there's say and there's some deep levels.
Speaker 3: But and that's not me excusing all the bullshit that
Speaker 3: he did. Like I'm two things could be true. So like,
Speaker 3: he also was severely disappointing. But but the one thing
Speaker 3: about Obama in relation to Biden is that Obama, a
Speaker 3: lot of people forget, had just hit the political scene
Speaker 3: four to six years before he was elected president, which
Speaker 3: is a very short time in politics. Now. The reason
Speaker 3: I'm bringing that up is when you talk about a
Speaker 3: Biden and you talk about somebody who's been in politics
Speaker 3: since eighteen forty two, like you would think that he
Speaker 3: knows how this works, and you would think that he's
Speaker 3: entrenched in a way where he's above the games and
Speaker 3: the manipulation of the politics around him, as opposed to
Speaker 3: an Obama. Like Chris you brought this up, was he
Speaker 3: used in a way, And like, I do think there's
Speaker 3: some elements of that because he was brand new in politics.
Speaker 3: He wasn't a career politician at that point. Now he
Speaker 3: learned it really fucking quick, but he wasn't like a
Speaker 3: career politician like Biden was. And so Biden when somebody
Speaker 3: like Obama runs on the hope and change and then
Speaker 3: like the rug is pulled out from underneath you, like
Speaker 3: there is of maybe that's who you were and also
Speaker 3: you got played by the people around you. When somebody
Speaker 3: like Biden runs on hope and change and this nigga's
Speaker 3: been in office for seven decades and then you pulled
Speaker 3: a rockmount under us, then you are the problem with
Speaker 3: my friend, Like you should know. You know this game.
Speaker 3: You you're supposed to have all these relationships like people
Speaker 3: who were born and you were a senator and now
Speaker 3: are working with you.
Speaker 1: Like he like, come on, bro, Like the reason he
Speaker 1: talks like that, like says malarkey and ship like that
Speaker 1: and calls people jack is because like when he started,
Speaker 1: that was the equivalent of like riz and like you
Speaker 1: know cool gen zealing go Like that was that was
Speaker 1: cool stuff that people were like, man, this guy's pretty edgy.
Speaker 1: He's corn pop story never right, Yeah, that was him
Speaker 1: just like reverting to like straighten he first came.
Speaker 6: In sounded out of like it was out of a
Speaker 6: literate little abner.
Speaker 1: They're like this new generation of politicians like Joe Biden
Speaker 1: grew up, you know, with their fancy, new fangled habits
Speaker 1: of like hitting a hoop down the street with a stick,
Speaker 1: Like he's you know, he says things like malarkey. His
Speaker 1: his smack is so I forgot about who never forget?
Speaker 3: Who knows if I'm not mistaken, Like if he's not
Speaker 3: the longest, he's in the top ten of people who
Speaker 3: have been in politics the longest, Like he was the
Speaker 3: youngest senator when he was elected and the oldest dirt
Speaker 3: when he left politics finally a week ago so or
Speaker 3: six seven days ago, and so like it was just
Speaker 3: so distant it was. It's more upsetting because you know,
Speaker 3: we put him in office. Nobody expected him to like
Speaker 3: be hope and change, but we put him in office
Speaker 3: off the things that he said he would do, and
Speaker 3: then he went in knowing how the game works and
Speaker 3: just played the fucking game and expects us to be like,
Speaker 3: well he tried, man, fuck you.
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the part I wonder. I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I was okay with the idea of like, oh,
Speaker 6: I can understand his presidency in the sense that like
Speaker 6: he's trying to show that the dignified, incremental way as
Speaker 6: opposed to like, I'm not some guy like Trump who's
Speaker 6: like just gonna go crazy. So that's like the choice,
Speaker 6: like I'm showing you how the system works in a
Speaker 6: way where we just do things the way they're supposed
Speaker 6: to be. But what I don't, which is what makes
Speaker 6: me think of like conspiratorially, is I don't understand the
Speaker 6: last few months since he lost the election why he
Speaker 6: didn't do anything. That's the part where I'm like, I
Speaker 6: do not get it, Like if.
Speaker 1: He was doing in his uh you know, resentment about
Speaker 1: being replaced on the ticket, his theory is he would
Speaker 1: have won the election and we got sucked, and which
Speaker 1: is insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: So I just don't I don't know how to I
Speaker 6: don't know how to think about him.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It feels like he didn't do anything because he didn't
Speaker 3: want to do anything.
Speaker 6: That's that's my that's my suspission because even if he
Speaker 6: didn't want to do it, the people around him. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, well, the obvious example is Israel Palestine. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't want to do anything, and everyone
Speaker 6: knows that now and you can't undo that. So that's
Speaker 6: where the Democrats have nothing, no brand anymore. They don't
Speaker 6: have any trust, you know, and I mean, no one
Speaker 6: trusted the Republicans. But that's why people like the Republicans
Speaker 6: because they're just like, oh, well, they're the real thing.
Speaker 3: At least they say madness of course, and they and they,
Speaker 3: even in an underhanded way, at the very least, you know,
Speaker 3: seemingly care about their base, to the point where Trump
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna do all this shit, and then
Speaker 3: this motherfucker is like doing it like in a way
Speaker 3: that he's like I don't care if I push it through.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Like if you if you're a senator who was not
Speaker 3: on my agenda, like go like jump in the river
Speaker 3: and like as bullshit. But like I know, like a
Speaker 3: lot of Democrats be like wish our side could be
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, but there's an element where I wish
Speaker 3: our side could be like that sometimes because like you know,
Speaker 3: instead of making all these promises and these half ass attempts, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we want you to do shit. We want you to
Speaker 3: like push it through. It'd be like this is for
Speaker 3: the better of the fucking people.
Speaker 6: Did you see the mayor of Chicago's statement about the
Speaker 6: other day about about like how he's not gonna let
Speaker 6: ice come in here and all this sort of stuff,
Speaker 6: Like yeah, and the way he spoke, that's like I
Speaker 6: was like, that's the kind of talk we needed on
Speaker 6: the campaign. Like he was just like fuck these people,
Speaker 6: like fuck these people. I mean, he was just saying
Speaker 6: friggin and stuff. But I mean, like that's I mean,
Speaker 6: that's why I feel like, you know, I feel like
Speaker 6: the Democrats, you know, I'm I don't feel like they're
Speaker 6: They're not, like they didn't want they were more comfortable
Speaker 6: with fascism than than changing one fucking thing about their
Speaker 6: their own corruption there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so the reason that Trump had a campaign
Speaker 1: in the first place in twenty fifteen, like how it
Speaker 1: was brought together is because like there was you know,
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and like other really wealthy donors had this idea,
Speaker 1: like had this data that said Americans wanted an outsider candidate,
Speaker 1: which is like exactly what we're talking about, This idea
Speaker 1: that like somebody could come in and just like fucking
Speaker 1: force things to get done, and both sides wanted it,
Speaker 1: and like Bernie Sanders got a lot of support and
Speaker 1: like almost beat Hillary Clinton, the most establishment candidate, like
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, and Trump on the Republican side
Speaker 1: did beat the you know, all of the establishment candidates.
Speaker 1: And now like that this is like this is the
Speaker 1: result of that, like the Democrats kept doubling down on
Speaker 1: establishment and going back to the establishment stuff. But like
Speaker 1: the reason that Trump is popular and that Sanders had
Speaker 1: like that upswell of the port is because people recognize
Speaker 1: that something is broken and fucked about the system, and
Speaker 1: the Democrats are a institution that is like specifically designed
Speaker 1: to not recognize that. And so it just feel it
Speaker 1: feels like we're going to as long as I don't
Speaker 1: know what the way is out of this, because it
Speaker 1: feels like the Democrats are going to find a way
Speaker 1: to like double back down on whatever the establishment oh
Speaker 1: the answer, I mean, yeah, because that's all they are,
Speaker 1: that they are the establishment. So here's the thing too.
Speaker 3: I know we got to move on, but like to
Speaker 3: another topic or take a break soon. But here's another
Speaker 3: thing too. When at you know, twenty sixty to side
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, the talk in the media at least
Speaker 3: or amongst people, was what is the Republican Party now?
Speaker 3: After Trump, you know, got booted out and by got elected,
Speaker 3: they're broken.
Speaker 1: Who's the leader?
Speaker 3: Who's this, Who's that? Who's this? Like nobody he knew
Speaker 3: the direction of the Republican Party and all these things.
Speaker 3: And that was the talking in the media on so
Speaker 3: online and everything like that. And what they were quietly
Speaker 3: doing in those two to three years until it was
Speaker 3: like time to start launching campaigns easy and Trump came
Speaker 3: back and rolled a wave to victory, was they were
Speaker 3: quietly assembling, like the tech industry and like going on
Speaker 3: social media and like actually like using the tool that
Speaker 3: they hated in the previous four years to their advantage
Speaker 3: and doing a lot of things to like shore up
Speaker 3: the fact that no matter what was going to happen,
Speaker 3: Trump was going to get elected. And like the leadership
Speaker 3: and the vision and the structure of the Republican Party
Speaker 3: came together quick as fuck. Yeah, because it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right now we are saying the same thing about Democrats.
Speaker 3: What's the direction, who's the leader, where are we going,
Speaker 3: What's going to happen? This, that and the other. The
Speaker 3: hope is that maybe behind the scenes something that's happening. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the faith that I have in that is almost zero,
Speaker 3: And like that's the problem, Like you got your asses
Speaker 3: handed to you and it was partly mostly your fault.
Speaker 3: What are you doing now?
Speaker 6: You got too?
Speaker 3: Like jay Z when he retired and like he had
Speaker 3: his first song and like when he was coming back
Speaker 3: and at the end of the song he was like,
Speaker 3: y'all got two months to get y'all shit together, good luck.
Speaker 3: Like that's how he ended his first song after his
Speaker 3: retirement and O three, Like I want like the Democrats
Speaker 3: to be in that mindset, like y'all got two years
Speaker 3: to get y'all shit together, good luck, Like we're we're
Speaker 3: we're building, we're getting shit ready, And I just don't
Speaker 3: think that's happening. And that shit pisses me off more
Speaker 3: than anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it. Yeah, I don't know how it can.
Speaker 1: Like I'm at the point where I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how how an an organism that is like
Speaker 1: specifically designed as a like anti change, self sustaining power
Speaker 1: machine is gonna is going to create change, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, not do something that would undermine its own
Speaker 1: ability to sustain itself. It's uh, I don't know, pretty
Speaker 1: bleak on the democratic side. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about tech guy and
Speaker 1: his son's boner contest will be like, oh no, and
Speaker 1: we're back and just staying on the most powerful person
Speaker 1: in the world giving openly giving a Nazi salute for
Speaker 1: if you'll indulge us for another few minutes here. For
Speaker 1: some reason, this seems important. So maybe one of the
Speaker 1: most eyebrow raising defenses of his salute came from the
Speaker 1: Anti Defamation League, who tweeted that it was merely a
Speaker 1: quote awkward gesture and we should all cut him some
Speaker 1: slack during this quote delicate moment, which I think seemed
Speaker 1: to shock a lot of people that the ADL was
Speaker 1: defending a literal Nazi salute there, you know, seemed to
Speaker 1: be I don't know. Their reputation is pretty significantly out
Speaker 1: of line with what their actual work has been forever,
Speaker 1: but especially in the recent years. We've mentioned before that
Speaker 1: it was founded to defend Israel, not really fight bigotry,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they run a program that sends
Speaker 1: US cops to train in Israel should probably tell you
Speaker 1: something that's something that we've covered before. A delegation of
Speaker 1: top American law enforcement officers is in Israel. This is
Speaker 1: from an Intercept article. Is in Israel for the ADL's
Speaker 1: National counter Terrorism Seminar, which includes training on topics such
Speaker 1: as leadership in a time of terror and balancing the
Speaker 1: fight against crime and terrorism. So yeah, the current executive
Speaker 1: director recently compared the Kafia to the swastika, has repeatedly
Speaker 1: aligned the organization with the Trump administration, and refused to
Speaker 1: call out the Trump administration's claytant hate speech. I will
Speaker 1: say one group that is calling it a Nazi salutor
Speaker 1: does seem to be like, hmm, that looked like that's
Speaker 1: what we thought it was, right, are actual Nazis? Christopher Pohlehouse,
Speaker 1: the leader of the notorious neo Nazi group Blood Tribe,
Speaker 1: posted the clip of his salute on telegram with a
Speaker 1: lightning bold emoji and the caption, I don't care if
Speaker 1: this was a mistake. I'm going to enjoy the tears
Speaker 1: over it. So that seems like he might be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, did he mean to Who knows. Another
Speaker 1: neo Nazi leader, Christopher Hood, who founded the New England
Speaker 1: Race Separatist Movement nc NSC one thirty one, one of
Speaker 1: the less popular CBS crime dramas, also posted the clip
Speaker 1: to telegram with the emoji exclamation point, question mark and
Speaker 1: smiley face. There's yeah, there's a bunch of like. One
Speaker 1: of them shared the clip with the caption incredible things
Speaker 1: are happening already lmaoh.
Speaker 2: And okay he's race separatists. No one wants to hang
Speaker 2: out with you anyways. Okay, nobody is trying to mingle
Speaker 2: with you at a fucking happy hour, right, so don't
Speaker 2: worry about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The another self described deth no nationalists and anti
Speaker 1: semi shared the clip and a post writing, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: woke really is dead, guys am I right, we got one.
Speaker 6: We got one.
Speaker 4: No, there's anti woke and then there's there's that. But
Speaker 4: wait with the ADL, is it coherent to their politics
Speaker 4: to not called this out or is it bootlicking? Is
Speaker 4: it sucking up to power and wealth?
Speaker 2: I think it's both.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 2: They're going wherever Israel is propped up. And so I
Speaker 2: think like given the relationship between Trump and the Yahoo
Speaker 2: and like what Trump has said or intends to do.
Speaker 2: I think that aligns with their their goals, and then
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, everybody is falling in line right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be kind of in line with
Speaker 1: they if they are not really against defamation as much
Speaker 1: as you know, involved in a political cause. They are
Speaker 1: like a lot, you know, like TikTok and other you know,
Speaker 1: organizations that are all just trying to you know, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is a fairly simple instrument to operate, where you
Speaker 1: just like say, do you agree with him and flatter
Speaker 1: him and do you know, just display loyalty.
Speaker 4: He's like a I are a couple mil into the
Speaker 4: bank account, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly buy a bunch of his meme coins so
Speaker 1: that he becomes even richer.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this means anything, but I checked
Speaker 4: the Fox News website and the only mention of Musk's
Speaker 4: salute on that site was a write up of AOC
Speaker 4: pushing back on the ADL and saying, you know, like,
Speaker 4: what are we doing here? Folks? This was clearly we
Speaker 4: all know what this was, like, how can you possibly
Speaker 4: call for understanding in this moment? Which to me, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's interesting to me that that's the
Speaker 4: one thing that got attention, and I think it shows like, huh,
Speaker 4: maybe like actually taking a stand gets people's attention, and
Speaker 4: like the language of the right has been that for
Speaker 4: the last eight ten years, and AOC knows how to
Speaker 4: play that game. And I don't know, maybe I'm overreading it,
Speaker 4: but the only mention on Fox News was in this
Speaker 4: moment where someone actually like clapped back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think though, that they're, well, I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: I don't know the language of the article you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Do you think that they're like put her out there
Speaker 2: as chum so that people get distracted because she's so
Speaker 2: incendiary to the right a.
Speaker 4: Little bit though, I I yeah, I mean sure, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think AOC is going to get attention no matter what.
Speaker 4: But like that's the game we're playing here, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think AOC cares if she's all over Fox
Speaker 4: News and people are talking about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like sometimes I just feel like
Speaker 2: they use people that like that are almost like trigger
Speaker 2: words to the right just to distract from the actual
Speaker 2: what like her putting her as a shield in front
Speaker 2: of musk kind of like look at her and saying
Speaker 2: this stuff about the adl rather than her points are valid.
Speaker 4: No, it's certainly like a third order story, right, if
Speaker 4: I'm covering the actual thing, it's like refracted through this
Speaker 4: now spat yea, but yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple more quotes from people weighing in here.
Speaker 1: The Proud By Ohio chapter posted to a clip of
Speaker 1: the MUK video to telegram with the text, Hail Trump.
Speaker 1: They just got.
Speaker 4: Worse Nazi quotes. You're having your Google doct right now.
Speaker 2: He gotten his email.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just scrolling through my inbox here.
Speaker 2: So I fucking hate that there's like Proud Boys chapter Ohio.
Speaker 2: First of all, Ohio isn't real and we all know that.
Speaker 2: And second of all, Ohio that's a Twitter thing. Everybody
Speaker 2: jokes about Ohio not being real. But second of all,
Speaker 2: like why do they I hate that they're so organized.
Speaker 2: I hate that they have such structure. They have like
Speaker 2: a secretary taking notes on how many times they say
Speaker 2: like slurs?
Speaker 1: Right? All right, should we talk about primates peeing in groups?
Speaker 1: Would that? Would that be a good palate cleanser?
Speaker 2: This one's for the girlies.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Since time immemorial, men have been wondering this question.
Speaker 1: Why do they keep like getting up and trying to
Speaker 1: get away from us to talk.
Speaker 2: Shit about you dude, to see if we need protection.
Speaker 1: Everything cool here, everything cool.
Speaker 2: That guy wasn't weird, was.
Speaker 1: All right. So scientists at Kyoto University recently discovered that
Speaker 1: peeing is seemingly contagious amongst chimpanzees. They watched six hundred
Speaker 1: hours of footage of captive chimps at the Kumamoto Sanctuary,
Speaker 1: which captured more than one thousand, three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: eight urination events.
Speaker 2: If I have a slurpee.
Speaker 1: That's right, Do slurpees make you pay?
Speaker 7: I don't know, okay, I just trying to think of
Speaker 7: some big drink, big drink, big old slurpee, big drink.
Speaker 7: They found that when one chip decided to pee, others
Speaker 7: would often follow suit, which is not unlike humans. Our
Speaker 7: decision to urinate is influenced by social contexts that lead
Speaker 7: us to urinate simultaneously with others.
Speaker 1: This is usually something that we talk about with the
Speaker 1: context of sneezing, like that we ya yawning is the one.
Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be crazy sneezing sneezing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, good, idea, I know in the context
Speaker 1: of yawning, that like yawns are contagious, and even though
Speaker 1: they feel like a thing that our body is forcing
Speaker 1: us to do, it was like, no, it's it's our brain.
Speaker 1: We're just we're silly. We will just do whatever everybody
Speaker 1: else is doing. But yeah, like with going to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: it does feel so like if you're at the end
Speaker 1: of a long road trip and like suddenly you get
Speaker 1: to your front door and you're like, wow, I really
Speaker 1: had to pee that whole time. But like somehow your
Speaker 1: brain you're like super ego, like all of your you know,
Speaker 1: conscious consciousness, scaffolding has like kept that reality suppressed from you.
Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked that we're learning that this is
Speaker 1: like highly contagious and socially defined. But it's just.
Speaker 2: Like that's like when toddlers are in an emergency situation,
Speaker 2: they fall asleep, Like it's an evolutionary thing for them
Speaker 2: to like fall asleep just to be quiet, to help
Speaker 2: their families or whatever.
Speaker 4: Toddler never learned that one No, you're.
Speaker 2: Like trying to recreate emergencies just to get a break.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, no, a robber.
Speaker 1: My toddler now six year old, but he uh, was
Speaker 1: evolutionarily designed to create new emergencies. Yeah, when an emergency,
Speaker 1: that's fair.
Speaker 4: My daughter, when she was like three four would develop
Speaker 4: this thing where she would talk about if she needs
Speaker 4: to pee, and I was like, like, we really can't,
Speaker 4: like right now, you know, that would be very inconvenient.
Speaker 4: She'll go, she goes, Okay, I'll just do the trick.
Speaker 4: And I'm like and for a while, I was like, great, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're doing the trick. And then after a while I
Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, what's the trick. She's just like,
Speaker 4: I just decide I don't need to pee anymore. I
Speaker 4: was like, my god, I mean, the mind over matter
Speaker 4: is incredible, but yeah, she's just she just developed her
Speaker 4: own trick where she just doesn't need to go to
Speaker 4: the bathroom, which made me a question, which made me
Speaker 4: question whether she ever really needed to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: And then I think that gets to this sort of yeah,
Speaker 4: sociological element to this, which is she she likes the
Speaker 4: trip to the bathroom or you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Jody believe little women, Okay, they say they have a
Speaker 2: trick to just not have to do anymore.
Speaker 1: This one trick that doctors don't want you to pack,
Speaker 1: make it so you never have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Just do it. It's the Nike logo.
Speaker 1: I do like to sometimes, you know, take a little
Speaker 1: stroll to the bathroom, even if I don't have to
Speaker 1: go too bad. I like to see what the bathroom
Speaker 1: of a given restaurant is the legs. Yeah, lighting, but
Speaker 1: they have one of those weird sinks that like doesn't
Speaker 1: really have a basin. You know, have you ever seen those?
Speaker 1: Those are starting to be a thing like the Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashi and Kanye Did you ever see the pictures of
Speaker 1: the inside of their kitchen where it's like a faucet
Speaker 1: on a countertop, like a little line.
Speaker 2: And the water runs off into it. Yeah, I will say,
Speaker 2: like going to the bathroom, I was like kind of
Speaker 2: joking earlier, but it also is like a really great
Speaker 2: place to check in with women. I've made so many
Speaker 2: friendships in bathrooms that have been like lasting, honestly, some
Speaker 2: of the first when I wasn't in stand up I
Speaker 2: went to sketch Fest with my boyfriend at the time
Speaker 2: who was doing improv, and I met so many stand ups,
Speaker 2: so many female stand ups, and we were just like
Speaker 2: lounging in this nice ass bathroom, and we were bonding,
Speaker 2: and I kept in touch with them and like asked
Speaker 2: them stand up advice and everything like later on. But
Speaker 2: it really, like I think it really is for women,
Speaker 2: like a great check in and a place of like
Speaker 2: comfort and like support for each other. It's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Wait, take us, take us inside this back because Jack
Speaker 4: will do that, but I won't. I won't go. I
Speaker 4: won't just go Pars again to check it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack's always going into this's restaurant.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to check in with women at the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Does the does the chit chat and the bonding happens
Speaker 4: you're walking in? Came you as you're peeing? Is there
Speaker 4: are It depends?
Speaker 2: Often there are lines, which you know that's an issue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which we should have more stalls. We should figure it
Speaker 2: out whatever non binary bathrooms.
Speaker 1: But not in this America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we sometimes will make we'll chit chat in
Speaker 2: the line, and then sometimes sometimes it happens in the stall,
Speaker 2: like if you run out of toilet paper, if you
Speaker 2: need a tampon, if like some you know, sometimes you're
Speaker 2: there with friends and then somebody else hears and makes
Speaker 2: a joke or something or like at this think it's
Speaker 2: just it's just a beautiful place for for camaraderie, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's I just love it. I'm like, men need
Speaker 2: more of this. That's the put all the men who
Speaker 2: are in the loneliness epidemic in a bathroom together in
Speaker 2: a nice bathroom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, peeing alone. That's the next book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you guys all just piana trough?
Speaker 1: Isn't that that used to the back when men were meant? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I've been to like the really old sporting event
Speaker 1: venues like Fenway Park and the Kentucky Derby, like in
Speaker 1: field are the places I've been where everybody's just standing
Speaker 1: around a single trough, peeing into it and just yeah,
Speaker 1: mostly pretty drunk, so everyone's cool with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Can we go back to the study for a second,
Speaker 4: because it's one line you read where the scientists at
Speaker 4: Kyoto University watched six hundred hours of footage of captive
Speaker 4: chimps and captured quote more than one three hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty eight urination events. Yeah, pallab is a former scientist.
Speaker 4: Is good use of their time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to watch like rats touch things. I
Speaker 2: used to have to go through hours of recordings of
Speaker 2: rats like touching different objects in a circular maze or whatever.
Speaker 2: So like you do have to like sit there and
Speaker 2: like time it and record it and whatever. But especially
Speaker 2: I'm assuming with chimps, there's so many like I hate
Speaker 2: behavioral studies. I hate them so much because it feels
Speaker 2: like so imprecise, because it could be they could be
Speaker 2: influenced by so many things. Like there was a study
Speaker 2: that came out that you found out that like male
Speaker 2: male researchers affected the behavior of mice differently than female researchers.
Speaker 2: So it's like people who are involved in the same
Speaker 2: experiment and we're doing it in the same way could
Speaker 2: still influence the behavior of these animals.
Speaker 8: So that's always yeah, yeah, we're going to find out
Speaker 8: that the male influence was just like picking the mice
Speaker 8: up and like moving them around like the yeah, just
Speaker 8: like them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to teach them how to like dap. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's so it's like super informative because that's
Speaker 2: what you can't do to watch behaviors of animals. You
Speaker 2: just have to watch like a bunch of footage and
Speaker 2: record it. And as it's strict of a measurement as
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: But this kind of like the sort of thing when
Speaker 1: we just we always bring up like when AI is
Speaker 1: used in a way that is like, guys, not this
Speaker 1: like that. We don't need a worse CO commercial. That's
Speaker 1: just a smoothie made of every previous CO commercial. This
Speaker 1: would be like all through the six hundred hours to
Speaker 1: find the urination events. That's great that that is as
Speaker 1: I don't want a lot.
Speaker 2: Of person Yeah, there is a lot of that of
Speaker 2: like trying to automate some of these like image processing
Speaker 2: or video video processing things like that's something that like
Speaker 2: I even like worked on at the in one of
Speaker 2: my rotations or whatever on my PhD. But it's still
Speaker 2: sometimes there's qualitative things too that they want to observe
Speaker 2: and it depends like is that the tech.
Speaker 4: Is chimp peeing or not. I mean that's a difficult
Speaker 4: AI task.
Speaker 2: You have to you have to and like the duration
Speaker 2: and yeah, wait.
Speaker 4: Isn't this actually a storyline in that show Silicon Valley
Speaker 4: where they design an app to see penis is imporn
Speaker 4: and then or for hot dogs and then it actually
Speaker 4: is able to identify penis is important?
Speaker 2: I know for something like that.
Speaker 4: It's a great storyline. That show continues to be the
Speaker 4: most pressure show there is, but it's literally I loved that.
Speaker 2: I was in the bay when that was happening, and
Speaker 2: tech people were like, that is us you have.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, I shouldn't be all right, that's
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