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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: We do like to let the listeners, and you're welcome

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Speaker 1: for this listeners. Let the listeners get to know us

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Speaker 1: a little bit better by telling them some stuff we

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Speaker 1: think is overrated, some stuff we think is underrated. Paul,

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Speaker 1: do you want us to you want to kick us

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Speaker 1: off with oted?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, speaking of this weekend? You know it's

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Speaker 2: overrated history. We're not learning from it? Why are we studying?

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Speaker 1: Ittill? We are?

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Speaker 2: Are the point if you can do a Nazi salute

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Speaker 2: in the middle of everything and the ADL is like,

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Speaker 2: well he's just in.

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Speaker 1: Threes are just an awkward gesture done very enthusiastically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I'm like everybody's like, we got to learn

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Speaker 2: from the mistakes of history. I'm like, I feel like

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Speaker 2: just current empathy isn't working. So like, how are we

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Speaker 2: try to outsmart history? Sorry, history heads, I'm getting dumber

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Speaker 2: as we speak. Yeah, fuck history, I care cares about

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Speaker 2: where I came from or what happened or why we

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Speaker 2: have the values we care about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that my overrated is uh giving apps

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Speaker 1: five stars? Like every time. It feels like every time

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Speaker 1: I encounter an app, Like I'm using Microsoft Outlook as

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Speaker 1: an email client because it is mandated by my workplace,

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Speaker 1: and they ask if I want to rate them, and

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Speaker 1: out of curiosity, I like check. I was like, what

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Speaker 1: what kind of ratings are is Microsoft Outlook? Kind of

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Speaker 1: ratings is Instagram getting it's it's five stars? Like across

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Speaker 1: the board, Like this industry that we are now aware

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Speaker 1: is trying to take away our free will is successfully

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Speaker 1: take away our free will and is now openly in

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Speaker 1: league with the Trump administration. They're like on the veranda

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Speaker 1: as he's getting sworn in, Like we're just giving them

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Speaker 1: default five stars. Like I feel like we need to

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Speaker 1: recalibrate our grading curve when it comes to to the

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Speaker 1: apps that these massive companies are putting out, like start

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Speaker 1: with a baseline of zero, and if they do something

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Speaker 1: that suggests that they're not going to try to rob

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Speaker 1: you a free will or like destroy democracy in order

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Speaker 1: to gain power, they like get up to one one star.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there should be multiple like axes

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Speaker 2: on which you can rate it, so you could be like, okay,

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Speaker 2: yeah it's super fascist, but also I'm still addicted to it,

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Speaker 2: so like you know what I mean, don't take it away,

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Speaker 2: but like change it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to figure it, Like,

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Speaker 1: is this just because it's the equivalent of like ask

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Speaker 1: it like a drug dealer being like, hey, could you

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Speaker 1: rate and review drugs before I give you your nextra drug?

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Speaker 2: That is so funny. They're like, let me cater this

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Speaker 2: algorithm to you in this myth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Twenty seven million people have rated Instagram and

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Speaker 1: the average rating is an A. It's four point seven

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Speaker 1: out of five. That's ninety four percent.

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Speaker 2: What if every standing meeting Mark Zuckerberg walks in and

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Speaker 2: he's like, how are we doing, folks, and they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: the ratings are still at.

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Speaker 1: Five keep going. Yeah. I mean, I think like it

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Speaker 1: got started out at a real high level. I guess

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Speaker 1: like when people were just like, gee, whiz apps, what

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Speaker 1: can't the tech industry do? And now they're just like

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Speaker 1: still there, Like Microsoft Outlook, a fucking email client that

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Speaker 1: four point eight out of five? That's like almost an

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Speaker 1: A plus? Like what why are we? Why do we

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Speaker 1: grade like we're the hotel management department at like Alabama

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Speaker 1: giving like all the football players just like good grades

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Speaker 1: to like get their eligibility up. It's just Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's goodwill left over from the tech

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Speaker 1: start like giving these apps zero stars.

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Speaker 2: They aren't immigrant uber drivers, Okay, we need to really

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Speaker 2: judge them right.

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Speaker 1: Uh by the way. Uh. Brian the Editor has gone

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Speaker 1: to the Google play Store to check out the reviews

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Speaker 1: for the app Covenant Eyes, which has actually is actually

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Speaker 1: earning a meager four point six, which is like an

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Speaker 1: A minus. Actually coveted eyes. Are you aware of polity

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Speaker 1: of Covenant Eyes? This is the app. So, this is

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Speaker 1: the app that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson uses

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Speaker 2: For internet porn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's chastity Belt for internet porn, you essentially have

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Speaker 1: spyware installed on your phone that will tell on you

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Speaker 1: the second you look at porn to another like partner,

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Speaker 1: another like accountability partner, and it's uh, it's apparently working

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Speaker 1: there would be more people being like, fuck, this thing

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Speaker 1: just told my dad that I was jacking off like that.

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Speaker 2: feel like, if you have a problem like that, going

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Speaker 2: to like another app isolation thing isn't the best solution. Like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like, amidst all of these issues that you're having,

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Speaker 2: That might be a kink. What if they're like if

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Speaker 1: I do feel like in the popular consciousness, at least,

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Speaker 1: people who are obsessed with sexual purity also tend to

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Speaker 1: so uh, Bran the editor does not work brand. The

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Speaker 1: editor has pulled this quote from the reviews. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: was very helpful in my pursuit of sexual purity. So yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: virgin job, it's fine to be a virgent. You're fine.

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Speaker 1: If you're a virgin, it's fine. It's fine. Weird times,

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Speaker 1: I say, we stopped giving the tech industry the benefit

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Speaker 1: account what they're doing to human civilization. Jody, what is

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Speaker 1: something do you think is underrated?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Well, my underrated it relates to something I've been

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Speaker 1: Relating just electric guitar.

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Speaker 4: My underrated is drinking.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: So I've been thinking the cold No, it's related a

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Speaker 4: going on all around. And then you know, the Surgeon

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Speaker 4: and basically said like no drinking is good for you,

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Speaker 4: and or any drinking is bad for you. And then

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking of the last couple of weeks about

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Speaker 4: I've cut back my drinking a fair amount, and I think,

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Speaker 4: like drinking is pretty harmful. But I've also been thinking

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Speaker 4: a symptom of or a symbol of, like the people

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Speaker 4: there's a chance that it, like young people aren't not

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Speaker 4: drinking because they're like making healthy choices, but because they're

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Speaker 1: Think that's like, yeah, by themselves.

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Speaker 4: You know, And so like, I don't know, It's just

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we need to go out and like

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Speaker 4: more of that. We are very isolated from one another.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just you know, I would also like there

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Speaker 2: should be more options. I think things being open longer

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Speaker 2: should be more, like should have more options like juice

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Speaker 2: bars and coffee places. Like people were talking about how

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Speaker 2: stay open. But I think if we just had more

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Speaker 2: like what is it called, like third third space spaces, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we don't own houses, Like what are we supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, man, nine years ago, I would have

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Speaker 1: should drink more, too hard in fact, and now I

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Speaker 1: top doctor, the Surgeon General, caught the woke mind virus

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Speaker 1: and needs to be stopped that's exactly what I do.

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Speaker 1: Just want to say, like, this is too bad.

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Speaker 2: We can't be vaccinated against the Pokemond.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean listen, I've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of podcasts I'm gonna recommend for you that I kind

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Speaker 1: of function as a vaccine.

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Speaker 2: By the way, who is Joe Rogan? And I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think there could be a

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Speaker 1: talked to to La. People are more like yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: I suggested juice Bars.

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Speaker 1: Juice Bars probably did suggest juice Bars.

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Speaker 2: Another smoothie at Arawa.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. We didn't do an overrated Do

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Speaker 1: you do you have something you thinks overrated?

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Speaker 2: Mo?

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Speaker 5: Overrated email? I think bring back the postal service.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I love sending postcards and letters. Yeah, I would like.

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Speaker 5: And now it's like I'm disappointed my mail is all

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Speaker 5: junk all the time. I would prefer I get real mail,

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Speaker 5: and uh, I don't need email. It's it's also ninety

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Speaker 5: nine percent junk.

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Speaker 1: Capitalism really just breaks everything, just ruins everything moves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just wait, I haven't. Let's just do it

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Speaker 2: a little bit more and see if it works out.

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Speaker 2: Let's just do I.

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Speaker 1: Was just thinking about like how bad the internet, like

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Speaker 5: Well, I hate now how they've made it so when

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Speaker 5: you google anything, the AI results come up first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have an example in today's episode of this.

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Speaker 5: It's sociating because I don't and then like ever and

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Speaker 5: there's no way to turn it off.

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Speaker 6: I'll never forget that. Remember the live one Jack where

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Speaker 1: and he like couldn't have necessarily gotten away with it,

437
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Speaker 1: but like making the statement suggested that he had like

438
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Speaker 1: thought through that and like done some legwork to make

439
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: these things possible now, and instead, not only had he

440
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: not done that leg work, not like worked with because

441
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: his own Department of Justice had previously ruled like that

442
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't do this, and so when he made the statement,

443
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: people are like, oh shit, he like worked with the

444
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: DOJ and like got them to like on board. So

445
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: didn't do that. So hadn't even like done that work

446
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: and then didn't do the follow up call with the look,

447
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fucking archivist is like, I

448
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that, but like presumably the Biden,

449
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: the top people in the president's cabinet and staff should know. Yeah,

450
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: they were like, our position is he said it, so

451
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: the archivist should just publish it because of that thing

452
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: he said, just shirking all responsibility for what happens next.

453
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: So essentially he made this big statement to quote I

454
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: think it was a Jezebel article. The declaration quote doesn't

455
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: mean shit, and nothing happened, and it just I don't know.

456
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: It seems like he has a futility fetish. Like I

457
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: remember multiple times during his presidency where he would like

458
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: say he was doing a thing and then not be

459
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: able to do the thing and then be like, what

460
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: the well, you know what am I supposed to do?

461
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: My hands are tied, and in this case, I don't.

462
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember it. With regards to student

463
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: debt forgiveness. I know he did do a lot of

464
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: student debt forgiveness, but when it came to like predictable

465
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: pushback from the Supreme Court and Republicans and businesses, and then,

466
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: you know, the place that it was most obvious was

467
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: like with Israel, where he spent the year and a

468
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: half like talking about how poed he was that net

469
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: and Yahu wouldn't listen to him, Like it's like he

470
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: thinks he's getting like a's for efforts on all of

471
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: these things. And yeah, I think this is how you

472
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: get to a place where not just the extremely rich

473
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Speaker 1: think authoritarian authoritarianism is a good idea because it like

474
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Speaker 1: allows them to be corrupt and continue getting richer. But like,

475
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: also it seems like a bunch of people think authoritarianism

476
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: is a good idea because you have just lived through

477
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of presidencies, whereas the world literally burns, the

478
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: president keeps like throwing his hands up and being like

479
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Or in the case

480
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: of Obama, like bailing out Wall Street and like making

481
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: fucking people pay for the bailout with taxes, while after

482
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: running as like the Hope and Change candidate, like it's.

483
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 6: That I cried when he was elected, I'm so happy, yeah,

484
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 6: and then I felt totally ripped off.

485
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's been bad, bad times

486
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: for the brand of like the US president getting shit done,

487
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: and so with like I just I think that's important

488
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: context for like what we're seeing now where Trump is

489
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm going to be a fucking dictator,

490
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: and you know, a bunch of albeit racist people seem

491
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: to like be like hell yeah, let's let's let's see

492
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: where we're going with it.

493
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Speaker 6: Well, it also feeds into conspiracy theories because why in

494
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: the world, if this, if the Democrats were so upset

495
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 6: about Trump being an existential threat, why in the world

496
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 6: didn't they go all out to pass every executive order,

497
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 6: every single possible thing in the last few months. And

498
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 6: they didn't. They didn't do fucking anything. They've packed up,

499
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: and I think the Democrats kind of acted like, well,

500
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 6: we tried to teach these dumb ass racists and idiots

501
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 6: what it's like, you know. We tried to show that

502
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 6: this is the most pragmatic way to be, is the

503
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: way we are being. We have to like, you know,

504
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 6: like but see you later. You know what we did

505
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 6: our part. We can't help if everybody's an idiot, Like,

506
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 6: see you guys later, have fun, Like we're just gonna

507
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 6: retreat to Martha's vineyard where we already lived, right, I mean,

508
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 6: I think it's Pod Save America, which I'm even mad.

509
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 6: I'm so mad at Pod Save America. And I don't

510
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: even ever watch it or really have never seen it.

511
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 6: I've seen just bits of it, and I want to fuck.

512
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: I just want to.

513
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 6: I just can't believe. You know, you can't say Pod

514
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 6: Save America when you're the ones who fucked America, right,

515
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 6: You're the guys who fucking put Obama in office, and

516
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 6: as in a way a trick, like as a trick.

517
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if Obama was used, but

518
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 6: they wouldn't allow him to do hope and change if

519
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 6: he was really wanting to right. You know, I just

520
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 6: feel like a combination. It feels like it was a combination,

521
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 6: but it does.

522
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: I do know.

523
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: Like one of the things that it's annoying about our

524
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: Democratic leaders and also what we see with the Republican

525
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: leaders that come into office, whether it is through Congress

526
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: or the presidency, is the fact that you know, it's

527
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: a lot. It feels like it's a lot of talk

528
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: talk talk, talk talk for your side apparently, and then

529
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: on the left side, with the leaders that are in office,

530
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: it's all to talk, no follow through, and they are

531
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: trying to placate to both sides in a way that

532
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: doesn't work because you they're never gonna they're never gonna

533
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: like what you are are doing, like and I know

534
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: it's more complex and nuanced than that, but what that

535
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: allows him to do is to just like what Biden

536
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: did throughout this whole administration, is I'm gonna do this

537
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: and then make a hot half ass try at it

538
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: and then never fucking do it or it doesn't go

539
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: all the way through. And it's like, Nigga, you've been

540
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: in office for ninety five fucking years, you know how

541
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: this game is, like, you know, you know, like this

542
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: isn't new to you. So and so what that means

543
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: is like if I do something and I know what

544
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: the outcome is, but I'm doing it to make the

545
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: people who are ignorant to the process think that I'm

546
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: doing something, I'm being manipulative. Yeah, like and that's what

547
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: it feels like. That's what Biden did for four years.

548
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: It was just like mass manipulation to the people who

549
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: put him in office.

550
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: And was that his intention, do you think? Or was

551
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 6: that something that he just couldn't help but do because

552
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 6: he was too in front.

553
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out, Like is

554
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: it is it like a thing where he's letting himself

555
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: off the hook by being like, look, I just did

556
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: this thing, and I tried, I tried my best, and

557
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: like he's I'm gonna go down in history as that

558
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: tried my best president. Or if he was literally thinking

559
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: that he could get up there and people were so

560
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: like not savvy and checked out that they would just

561
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: be like there he did the thing.

562
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: You know, Because here's the thing with Obama and I'm

563
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: not excusing Obama. Look, I love you, I'm a black man.

564
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: We had a black president I'm from Chicago. We had

565
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: a Chicago president. That will always mean something to me, Like,

566
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: it will always mean something to me, and anybody who

567
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: says it shouldn't consuck the deepest levels.

568
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: Of my dick.

569
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: But like, and there's say and there's some deep levels.

570
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: But and that's not me excusing all the bullshit that

571
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: he did. Like I'm two things could be true. So like,

572
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: he also was severely disappointing. But but the one thing

573
00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: about Obama in relation to Biden is that Obama, a

574
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: lot of people forget, had just hit the political scene

575
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: four to six years before he was elected president, which

576
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: is a very short time in politics. Now. The reason

577
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm bringing that up is when you talk about a

578
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: Biden and you talk about somebody who's been in politics

579
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: since eighteen forty two, like you would think that he

580
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: knows how this works, and you would think that he's

581
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: entrenched in a way where he's above the games and

582
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: the manipulation of the politics around him, as opposed to

583
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: an Obama. Like Chris you brought this up, was he

584
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: used in a way, And like, I do think there's

585
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: some elements of that because he was brand new in politics.

586
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't a career politician at that point. Now he

587
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: learned it really fucking quick, but he wasn't like a

588
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: career politician like Biden was. And so Biden when somebody

589
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: like Obama runs on the hope and change and then

590
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: like the rug is pulled out from underneath you, like

591
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: there is of maybe that's who you were and also

592
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: you got played by the people around you. When somebody

593
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: like Biden runs on hope and change and this nigga's

594
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: been in office for seven decades and then you pulled

595
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: a rockmount under us, then you are the problem with

596
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: my friend, Like you should know. You know this game.

597
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: You you're supposed to have all these relationships like people

598
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: who were born and you were a senator and now

599
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: are working with you.

600
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Like he like, come on, bro, Like the reason he

601
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: talks like that, like says malarkey and ship like that

602
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: and calls people jack is because like when he started,

603
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: that was the equivalent of like riz and like you

604
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: know cool gen zealing go Like that was that was

605
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: cool stuff that people were like, man, this guy's pretty edgy.

606
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: He's corn pop story never right, Yeah, that was him

607
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: just like reverting to like straighten he first came.

608
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 6: In sounded out of like it was out of a

609
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 6: literate little abner.

610
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: They're like this new generation of politicians like Joe Biden

611
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: grew up, you know, with their fancy, new fangled habits

612
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: of like hitting a hoop down the street with a stick,

613
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Like he's you know, he says things like malarkey. His

614
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: his smack is so I forgot about who never forget?

615
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: Who knows if I'm not mistaken, Like if he's not

616
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: the longest, he's in the top ten of people who

617
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: have been in politics the longest, Like he was the

618
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: youngest senator when he was elected and the oldest dirt

619
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: when he left politics finally a week ago so or

620
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: six seven days ago, and so like it was just

621
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: so distant it was. It's more upsetting because you know,

622
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: we put him in office. Nobody expected him to like

623
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: be hope and change, but we put him in office

624
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: off the things that he said he would do, and

625
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: then he went in knowing how the game works and

626
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: just played the fucking game and expects us to be like,

627
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: well he tried, man, fuck you.

628
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the part I wonder. I was like,

629
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: you know, I was okay with the idea of like, oh,

630
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 6: I can understand his presidency in the sense that like

631
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 6: he's trying to show that the dignified, incremental way as

632
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 6: opposed to like, I'm not some guy like Trump who's

633
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 6: like just gonna go crazy. So that's like the choice,

634
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 6: like I'm showing you how the system works in a

635
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 6: way where we just do things the way they're supposed

636
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 6: to be. But what I don't, which is what makes

637
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 6: me think of like conspiratorially, is I don't understand the

638
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: last few months since he lost the election why he

639
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 6: didn't do anything. That's the part where I'm like, I

640
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 6: do not get it, Like if.

641
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: He was doing in his uh you know, resentment about

642
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: being replaced on the ticket, his theory is he would

643
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: have won the election and we got sucked, and which

644
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: is insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

645
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 6: So I just don't I don't know how to I

646
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 6: don't know how to think about him.

647
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: You know.

648
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: It feels like he didn't do anything because he didn't

649
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: want to do anything.

650
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 6: That's that's my that's my suspission because even if he

651
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 6: didn't want to do it, the people around him. Yeah,

652
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 6: I mean, well, the obvious example is Israel Palestine. I mean, like,

653
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't want to do anything, and everyone

654
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 6: knows that now and you can't undo that. So that's

655
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: where the Democrats have nothing, no brand anymore. They don't

656
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 6: have any trust, you know, and I mean, no one

657
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 6: trusted the Republicans. But that's why people like the Republicans

658
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 6: because they're just like, oh, well, they're the real thing.

659
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: At least they say madness of course, and they and they,

660
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: even in an underhanded way, at the very least, you know,

661
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: seemingly care about their base, to the point where Trump

662
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna do all this shit, and then

663
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: this motherfucker is like doing it like in a way

664
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: that he's like I don't care if I push it through.

665
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: I don't care.

666
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: Like if you if you're a senator who was not

667
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 3: on my agenda, like go like jump in the river

668
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: and like as bullshit. But like I know, like a

669
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: lot of Democrats be like wish our side could be

670
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, but there's an element where I wish

671
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: our side could be like that sometimes because like you know,

672
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 3: instead of making all these promises and these half ass attempts, Yeah,

673
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: we want you to do shit. We want you to

674
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: like push it through. It'd be like this is for

675
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: the better of the fucking people.

676
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 6: Did you see the mayor of Chicago's statement about the

677
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 6: other day about about like how he's not gonna let

678
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 6: ice come in here and all this sort of stuff,

679
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 6: Like yeah, and the way he spoke, that's like I

680
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 6: was like, that's the kind of talk we needed on

681
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: the campaign. Like he was just like fuck these people,

682
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 6: like fuck these people. I mean, he was just saying

683
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 6: friggin and stuff. But I mean, like that's I mean,

684
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 6: that's why I feel like, you know, I feel like

685
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 6: the Democrats, you know, I'm I don't feel like they're

686
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 6: They're not, like they didn't want they were more comfortable

687
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 6: with fascism than than changing one fucking thing about their

688
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 6: their own corruption there.

689
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so the reason that Trump had a campaign

690
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: in the first place in twenty fifteen, like how it

691
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: was brought together is because like there was you know,

692
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and like other really wealthy donors had this idea,

693
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: like had this data that said Americans wanted an outsider candidate,

694
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: which is like exactly what we're talking about, This idea

695
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: that like somebody could come in and just like fucking

696
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: force things to get done, and both sides wanted it,

697
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: and like Bernie Sanders got a lot of support and

698
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: like almost beat Hillary Clinton, the most establishment candidate, like

699
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, and Trump on the Republican side

700
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: did beat the you know, all of the establishment candidates.

701
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: And now like that this is like this is the

702
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: result of that, like the Democrats kept doubling down on

703
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: establishment and going back to the establishment stuff. But like

704
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: the reason that Trump is popular and that Sanders had

705
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: like that upswell of the port is because people recognize

706
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: that something is broken and fucked about the system, and

707
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: the Democrats are a institution that is like specifically designed

708
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: to not recognize that. And so it just feel it

709
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: feels like we're going to as long as I don't

710
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: know what the way is out of this, because it

711
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: feels like the Democrats are going to find a way

712
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: to like double back down on whatever the establishment oh

713
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: the answer, I mean, yeah, because that's all they are,

714
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: that they are the establishment. So here's the thing too.

715
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: I know we got to move on, but like to

716
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: another topic or take a break soon. But here's another

717
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: thing too. When at you know, twenty sixty to side

718
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, the talk in the media at least

719
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: or amongst people, was what is the Republican Party now?

720
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: After Trump, you know, got booted out and by got elected,

721
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: they're broken.

722
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: Who's the leader?

723
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 3: Who's this, Who's that? Who's this? Like nobody he knew

724
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: the direction of the Republican Party and all these things.

725
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: And that was the talking in the media on so

726
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: online and everything like that. And what they were quietly

727
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: doing in those two to three years until it was

728
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: like time to start launching campaigns easy and Trump came

729
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: back and rolled a wave to victory, was they were

730
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: quietly assembling, like the tech industry and like going on

731
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: social media and like actually like using the tool that

732
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: they hated in the previous four years to their advantage

733
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 3: and doing a lot of things to like shore up

734
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: the fact that no matter what was going to happen,

735
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: Trump was going to get elected. And like the leadership

736
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: and the vision and the structure of the Republican Party

737
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: came together quick as fuck. Yeah, because it was crazy.

738
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: Right now we are saying the same thing about Democrats.

740
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: What's the direction, who's the leader, where are we going,

741
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: What's going to happen? This, that and the other. The

742
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: hope is that maybe behind the scenes something that's happening. Unfortunately,

743
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: the faith that I have in that is almost zero,

744
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: And like that's the problem, Like you got your asses

745
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: handed to you and it was partly mostly your fault.

746
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: What are you doing now?

747
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 6: You got too?

748
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: Like jay Z when he retired and like he had

749
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: his first song and like when he was coming back

750
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: and at the end of the song he was like,

751
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: y'all got two months to get y'all shit together, good luck.

752
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: Like that's how he ended his first song after his

753
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: retirement and O three, Like I want like the Democrats

754
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: to be in that mindset, like y'all got two years

755
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: to get y'all shit together, good luck, Like we're we're

756
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: we're building, we're getting shit ready, And I just don't

757
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: think that's happening. And that shit pisses me off more

758
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: than anything else.

759
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it. Yeah, I don't know how it can.

760
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm at the point where I'm just like, I

761
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: don't know how how an an organism that is like

762
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: specifically designed as a like anti change, self sustaining power

763
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: machine is gonna is going to create change, and I

764
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: don't know, not do something that would undermine its own

765
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: ability to sustain itself. It's uh, I don't know, pretty

766
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: bleak on the democratic side. Let's take a quick break

767
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about tech guy and

768
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: his son's boner contest will be like, oh no, and

769
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: we're back and just staying on the most powerful person

770
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: in the world giving openly giving a Nazi salute for

771
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: if you'll indulge us for another few minutes here. For

772
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: some reason, this seems important. So maybe one of the

773
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: most eyebrow raising defenses of his salute came from the

774
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: Anti Defamation League, who tweeted that it was merely a

775
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: quote awkward gesture and we should all cut him some

776
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: slack during this quote delicate moment, which I think seemed

777
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: to shock a lot of people that the ADL was

778
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: defending a literal Nazi salute there, you know, seemed to

779
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: be I don't know. Their reputation is pretty significantly out

780
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: of line with what their actual work has been forever,

781
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: but especially in the recent years. We've mentioned before that

782
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: it was founded to defend Israel, not really fight bigotry,

783
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: and the fact that they run a program that sends

784
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: US cops to train in Israel should probably tell you

785
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: something that's something that we've covered before. A delegation of

786
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: top American law enforcement officers is in Israel. This is

787
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: from an Intercept article. Is in Israel for the ADL's

788
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: National counter Terrorism Seminar, which includes training on topics such

789
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: as leadership in a time of terror and balancing the

790
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: fight against crime and terrorism. So yeah, the current executive

791
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: director recently compared the Kafia to the swastika, has repeatedly

792
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: aligned the organization with the Trump administration, and refused to

793
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: call out the Trump administration's claytant hate speech. I will

794
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: say one group that is calling it a Nazi salutor

795
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: does seem to be like, hmm, that looked like that's

796
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: what we thought it was, right, are actual Nazis? Christopher Pohlehouse,

797
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: the leader of the notorious neo Nazi group Blood Tribe,

798
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: posted the clip of his salute on telegram with a

799
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: lightning bold emoji and the caption, I don't care if

800
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: this was a mistake. I'm going to enjoy the tears

801
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: over it. So that seems like he might be like, oh,

802
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, did he mean to Who knows. Another

803
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: neo Nazi leader, Christopher Hood, who founded the New England

804
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: Race Separatist Movement nc NSC one thirty one, one of

805
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: the less popular CBS crime dramas, also posted the clip

806
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: to telegram with the emoji exclamation point, question mark and

807
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: smiley face. There's yeah, there's a bunch of like. One

808
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: of them shared the clip with the caption incredible things

809
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: are happening already lmaoh.

810
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: And okay he's race separatists. No one wants to hang

811
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: out with you anyways. Okay, nobody is trying to mingle

812
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: with you at a fucking happy hour, right, so don't

813
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: worry about it.

814
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. The another self described deth no nationalists and anti

815
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: semi shared the clip and a post writing, Okay, maybe

816
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: woke really is dead, guys am I right, we got one.

817
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 6: We got one.

818
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: No, there's anti woke and then there's there's that. But

819
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 4: wait with the ADL, is it coherent to their politics

820
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: to not called this out or is it bootlicking? Is

821
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: it sucking up to power and wealth?

822
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: I think it's both.

823
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

824
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I think it's.

825
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: They're going wherever Israel is propped up. And so I

826
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: think like given the relationship between Trump and the Yahoo

827
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: and like what Trump has said or intends to do.

828
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: I think that aligns with their their goals, and then

829
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, everybody is falling in line right now.

830
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be kind of in line with

831
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: they if they are not really against defamation as much

832
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: as you know, involved in a political cause. They are

833
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: like a lot, you know, like TikTok and other you know,

834
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: organizations that are all just trying to you know, Donald

835
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: Trump is a fairly simple instrument to operate, where you

836
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: just like say, do you agree with him and flatter

837
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: him and do you know, just display loyalty.

838
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: He's like a I are a couple mil into the

839
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: bank account, but.

840
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly buy a bunch of his meme coins so

841
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: that he becomes even richer.

842
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if this means anything, but I checked

843
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: the Fox News website and the only mention of Musk's

844
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 4: salute on that site was a write up of AOC

845
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: pushing back on the ADL and saying, you know, like,

846
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 4: what are we doing here? Folks? This was clearly we

847
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: all know what this was, like, how can you possibly

848
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: call for understanding in this moment? Which to me, you know,

849
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's interesting to me that that's the

850
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: one thing that got attention, and I think it shows like, huh,

851
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: maybe like actually taking a stand gets people's attention, and

852
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 4: like the language of the right has been that for

853
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: the last eight ten years, and AOC knows how to

854
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: play that game. And I don't know, maybe I'm overreading it,

855
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: but the only mention on Fox News was in this

856
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: moment where someone actually like clapped back.

857
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: Do you think though, that they're, well, I'm not sure,

859
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: I don't know the language of the article you're talking about.

860
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: Do you think that they're like put her out there

861
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: as chum so that people get distracted because she's so

862
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: incendiary to the right a.

863
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: Little bit though, I I yeah, I mean sure, yeah,

864
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: I think AOC is going to get attention no matter what.

865
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 4: But like that's the game we're playing here, right, Yeah.

866
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 4: I don't think AOC cares if she's all over Fox

867
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: News and people are talking about her.

868
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like sometimes I just feel like

869
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: they use people that like that are almost like trigger

870
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: words to the right just to distract from the actual

871
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: what like her putting her as a shield in front

872
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: of musk kind of like look at her and saying

873
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: this stuff about the adl rather than her points are valid.

874
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: No, it's certainly like a third order story, right, if

875
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: I'm covering the actual thing, it's like refracted through this

876
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: now spat yea, but yeah, you know.

877
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple more quotes from people weighing in here.

878
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: The Proud By Ohio chapter posted to a clip of

879
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: the MUK video to telegram with the text, Hail Trump.

880
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: They just got.

881
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: Worse Nazi quotes. You're having your Google doct right now.

882
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: He gotten his email.

883
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just scrolling through my inbox here.

884
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: So I fucking hate that there's like Proud Boys chapter Ohio.

885
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: First of all, Ohio isn't real and we all know that.

886
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: And second of all, Ohio that's a Twitter thing. Everybody

887
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: jokes about Ohio not being real. But second of all,

888
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: like why do they I hate that they're so organized.

889
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: I hate that they have such structure. They have like

890
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: a secretary taking notes on how many times they say

891
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: like slurs?

892
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Right? All right, should we talk about primates peeing in groups?

893
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: Would that? Would that be a good palate cleanser?

894
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: This one's for the girlies.

895
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Since time immemorial, men have been wondering this question.

896
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Why do they keep like getting up and trying to

897
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: get away from us to talk.

898
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: Shit about you dude, to see if we need protection.

899
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Everything cool here, everything cool.

900
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: That guy wasn't weird, was.

901
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: All right. So scientists at Kyoto University recently discovered that

902
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: peeing is seemingly contagious amongst chimpanzees. They watched six hundred

903
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: hours of footage of captive chimps at the Kumamoto Sanctuary,

904
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: which captured more than one thousand, three hundred and twenty

905
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: eight urination events.

906
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: If I have a slurpee.

907
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: That's right, Do slurpees make you pay?

908
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 7: I don't know, okay, I just trying to think of

909
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 7: some big drink, big drink, big old slurpee, big drink.

910
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 7: They found that when one chip decided to pee, others

911
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 7: would often follow suit, which is not unlike humans. Our

912
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 7: decision to urinate is influenced by social contexts that lead

913
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 7: us to urinate simultaneously with others.

914
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: This is usually something that we talk about with the

915
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: context of sneezing, like that we ya yawning is the one.

916
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be crazy sneezing sneezing.

917
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, good, idea, I know in the context

918
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: of yawning, that like yawns are contagious, and even though

919
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: they feel like a thing that our body is forcing

920
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: us to do, it was like, no, it's it's our brain.

921
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: We're just we're silly. We will just do whatever everybody

922
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: else is doing. But yeah, like with going to the bathroom,

923
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: it does feel so like if you're at the end

924
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: of a long road trip and like suddenly you get

925
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: to your front door and you're like, wow, I really

926
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: had to pee that whole time. But like somehow your

927
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: brain you're like super ego, like all of your you know,

928
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: conscious consciousness, scaffolding has like kept that reality suppressed from you.

929
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked that we're learning that this is

930
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: like highly contagious and socially defined. But it's just.

931
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: Like that's like when toddlers are in an emergency situation,

932
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: they fall asleep, Like it's an evolutionary thing for them

933
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: to like fall asleep just to be quiet, to help

934
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: their families or whatever.

935
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 4: Toddler never learned that one No, you're.

936
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: Like trying to recreate emergencies just to get a break.

937
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, no, a robber.

938
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: My toddler now six year old, but he uh, was

939
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: evolutionarily designed to create new emergencies. Yeah, when an emergency,

940
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: that's fair.

941
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 4: My daughter, when she was like three four would develop

942
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: this thing where she would talk about if she needs

943
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: to pee, and I was like, like, we really can't,

944
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: like right now, you know, that would be very inconvenient.

945
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 4: She'll go, she goes, Okay, I'll just do the trick.

946
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like and for a while, I was like, great, Okay,

947
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: you're doing the trick. And then after a while I

948
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, what's the trick. She's just like,

949
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: I just decide I don't need to pee anymore. I

950
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 4: was like, my god, I mean, the mind over matter

951
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: is incredible, but yeah, she's just she just developed her

952
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: own trick where she just doesn't need to go to

953
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: the bathroom, which made me a question, which made me

954
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: question whether she ever really needed to go to the bathroom.

955
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: And then I think that gets to this sort of yeah,

956
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 4: sociological element to this, which is she she likes the

957
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: trip to the bathroom or you know whatever.

958
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: Jody believe little women, Okay, they say they have a

959
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: trick to just not have to do anymore.

960
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: This one trick that doctors don't want you to pack,

961
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: make it so you never have to go to the bathroom.

962
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Just do it. It's the Nike logo.

963
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I do like to sometimes, you know, take a little

964
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: stroll to the bathroom, even if I don't have to

965
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: go too bad. I like to see what the bathroom

966
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: of a given restaurant is the legs. Yeah, lighting, but

967
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: they have one of those weird sinks that like doesn't

968
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: really have a basin. You know, have you ever seen those?

969
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Those are starting to be a thing like the Kim

970
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Kardashi and Kanye Did you ever see the pictures of

971
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: the inside of their kitchen where it's like a faucet

972
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: on a countertop, like a little line.

973
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: And the water runs off into it. Yeah, I will say,

974
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: like going to the bathroom, I was like kind of

975
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: joking earlier, but it also is like a really great

976
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: place to check in with women. I've made so many

977
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: friendships in bathrooms that have been like lasting, honestly, some

978
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: of the first when I wasn't in stand up I

979
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: went to sketch Fest with my boyfriend at the time

980
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: who was doing improv, and I met so many stand ups,

981
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: so many female stand ups, and we were just like

982
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: lounging in this nice ass bathroom, and we were bonding,

983
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: and I kept in touch with them and like asked

984
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: them stand up advice and everything like later on. But

985
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: it really, like I think it really is for women,

986
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: like a great check in and a place of like

987
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: comfort and like support for each other. It's beautiful.

988
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: Wait, take us, take us inside this back because Jack

989
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: will do that, but I won't. I won't go. I

990
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: won't just go Pars again to check it out. Yeah.

991
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack's always going into this's restaurant.

992
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm always going to check in with women at the restaurant.

993
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

994
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: Does the does the chit chat and the bonding happens

995
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: you're walking in? Came you as you're peeing? Is there

996
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: are It depends?

997
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Often there are lines, which you know that's an issue. Yeah,

998
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: which we should have more stalls. We should figure it

999
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: out whatever non binary bathrooms.

1000
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: But not in this America.

1001
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we sometimes will make we'll chit chat in

1002
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: the line, and then sometimes sometimes it happens in the stall,

1003
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: like if you run out of toilet paper, if you

1004
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: need a tampon, if like some you know, sometimes you're

1005
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: there with friends and then somebody else hears and makes

1006
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: a joke or something or like at this think it's

1007
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: just it's just a beautiful place for for camaraderie, you know,

1008
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: it's it's I just love it. I'm like, men need

1009
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: more of this. That's the put all the men who

1010
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: are in the loneliness epidemic in a bathroom together in

1011
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: a nice bathroom.

1012
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, peeing alone. That's the next book.

1013
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you guys all just piana trough?

1014
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: Isn't that that used to the back when men were meant? No, Yeah,

1015
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: that I've been to like the really old sporting event

1016
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: venues like Fenway Park and the Kentucky Derby, like in

1017
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: field are the places I've been where everybody's just standing

1018
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: around a single trough, peeing into it and just yeah,

1019
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: mostly pretty drunk, so everyone's cool with it.

1020
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1021
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: Can we go back to the study for a second,

1022
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 4: because it's one line you read where the scientists at

1023
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 4: Kyoto University watched six hundred hours of footage of captive

1024
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 4: chimps and captured quote more than one three hundred and

1025
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 4: twenty eight urination events. Yeah, pallab is a former scientist.

1026
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 4: Is good use of their time.

1027
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to watch like rats touch things. I

1028
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: used to have to go through hours of recordings of

1029
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: rats like touching different objects in a circular maze or whatever.

1030
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: So like you do have to like sit there and

1031
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: like time it and record it and whatever. But especially

1032
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm assuming with chimps, there's so many like I hate

1033
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: behavioral studies. I hate them so much because it feels

1034
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: like so imprecise, because it could be they could be

1035
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: influenced by so many things. Like there was a study

1036
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: that came out that you found out that like male

1037
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: male researchers affected the behavior of mice differently than female researchers.

1038
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: So it's like people who are involved in the same

1039
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: experiment and we're doing it in the same way could

1040
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: still influence the behavior of these animals.

1041
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 8: So that's always yeah, yeah, we're going to find out

1042
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 8: that the male influence was just like picking the mice

1043
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 8: up and like moving them around like the yeah, just

1044
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 8: like them.

1045
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to teach them how to like dap. But

1046
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's so it's like super informative because that's

1047
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: what you can't do to watch behaviors of animals. You

1048
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: just have to watch like a bunch of footage and

1049
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: record it. And as it's strict of a measurement as

1050
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: you can.

1051
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: But this kind of like the sort of thing when

1052
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: we just we always bring up like when AI is

1053
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: used in a way that is like, guys, not this

1054
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: like that. We don't need a worse CO commercial. That's

1055
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: just a smoothie made of every previous CO commercial. This

1056
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: would be like all through the six hundred hours to

1057
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: find the urination events. That's great that that is as

1058
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't want a lot.

1059
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: Of person Yeah, there is a lot of that of

1060
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: like trying to automate some of these like image processing

1061
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: or video video processing things like that's something that like

1062
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: I even like worked on at the in one of

1063
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: my rotations or whatever on my PhD. But it's still

1064
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: sometimes there's qualitative things too that they want to observe

1065
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: and it depends like is that the tech.

1066
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: Is chimp peeing or not. I mean that's a difficult

1067
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: AI task.

1068
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: You have to you have to and like the duration

1069
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: and yeah, wait.

1070
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 4: Isn't this actually a storyline in that show Silicon Valley

1071
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: where they design an app to see penis is imporn

1072
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: and then or for hot dogs and then it actually

1073
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: is able to identify penis is important?

1074
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: I know for something like that.

1075
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: It's a great storyline. That show continues to be the

1076
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: most pressure show there is, but it's literally I loved that.

1077
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: I was in the bay when that was happening, and

1078
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: tech people were like, that is us you have.

1079
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, I shouldn't be all right, that's

1080
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please like

1081
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: and review the show if you like, the show means

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Speaker 1: the world de Miles. He he needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to him Monday. Byem