Speaker 1: I Am all In, I wants you. I Am all
Speaker 1: In with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: hey everybody, it's Scott Patterson and this is the I
Speaker 1: Am All In Podcast with I Heart Radio one eleven productions.
Speaker 1: We are gonna talk about and break down presenting Laura
Speaker 1: Likeylmore today, which was an episode that created within us
Speaker 1: so far just chit chatting in the morning or little
Speaker 1: preambles created a tremendous amount of division and controversy already.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say who's on either side, but uh,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you now that the full ball
Speaker 1: club is back. We're back together. Danielle's back. She was
Speaker 1: missing last episode created a huge hole in our defense
Speaker 1: and our offense. Um, now that she's back, we can
Speaker 1: really get into the nuts and bolts of this. Uh
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I I thought it was a
Speaker 1: little lagging in the beginning. I had to adjust to
Speaker 1: it a little bit and we'll get into this a
Speaker 1: little more, and it gained momentum. It really started gaining momentum.
Speaker 1: It's putting Laurel in a position where she's being very
Speaker 1: flirtatious with Christopher through the entire episode. And hoping against hope,
Speaker 1: and it was just unfamiliar territory for me to see
Speaker 1: her in that position when it wasn't me on the
Speaker 1: on the receiving end. See, so the ego came into
Speaker 1: play a little bit. I have to admit it was
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable to watch so perfectly executed. I think
Speaker 1: Danielle has a different opinion of this. Oh, I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to get into this with you, because we were
Speaker 1: chatting before, like you said, and you and I have
Speaker 1: opposing opinions about this episode. Yeah a little. I mean
Speaker 1: we it's it's a little divergent, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we can agree on one thing that we
Speaker 1: both went and we weren't together when we were watching it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start any rumors, but um, you
Speaker 1: know we were both ooing and eyeing through the whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it was, It was. It was
Speaker 1: a delightful episode for sure. It had that Gilmore Girls impact. Um,
Speaker 1: it had those big moments. Uh. It it really framed
Speaker 1: for me anyway, the loss of something. You know, it
Speaker 1: was looking back and also looking forward at the same time.
Speaker 1: It framed Rory's future and where she's going it also
Speaker 1: framed lauralized past and what could have been um. So
Speaker 1: there was that, you know, these these polar opposites pulling
Speaker 1: on each other and making creating a lot of tension
Speaker 1: in the episode, which was brilliantly um crystallized in that
Speaker 1: final moment with Laurela I just sort of looking off
Speaker 1: and the fans going off behind her and all that
Speaker 1: stuff with the the girls, the young debutant's dancing in
Speaker 1: the background with their fans. Um And we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest today. I want to say that Brenda
Speaker 1: Maban head wardrobe mistress, costume designer. Do they even say
Speaker 1: wardrobe mistress anymore? My god? Uh? It was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite people of this entire production. Brenda was a
Speaker 1: bright light every single day. She was always happy and
Speaker 1: sunny and professional and um full of great stories and
Speaker 1: and uh just a consummate pro And she's she's been
Speaker 1: around for a while and she got her start with
Speaker 1: the bodyguard Kevin Costner Whitney Houston, and her careers morphed
Speaker 1: into something very very special and I think you know sides,
Speaker 1: you know, besides everything else we've been talking about that
Speaker 1: Brenda's influence on this show has been monumental and has
Speaker 1: helped as much as anybody's contribution make this the show
Speaker 1: that it is, because you know, wardrobe is very difficult,
Speaker 1: it's a very tricky thing to do. It requires a
Speaker 1: true artist to really bring that vision together what the
Speaker 1: creators are looking for, with a little input of our
Speaker 1: own or a lot of input of our own. Um.
Speaker 1: And you really noticed this kind of a thing when
Speaker 1: you're watching a movie or a TV show that's poorly
Speaker 1: wardrobed and you're just it's jarring. It's like, wow, you
Speaker 1: really notice the clothes right, You notice how wrong they are?
Speaker 1: That never happens on Gil Mortals. So and that's a
Speaker 1: testament to Brenda. And let's bring her in. Let's let's
Speaker 1: let's say hello to Brenda Mayben. Hello, how are you
Speaker 1: on the left bank? And gay Paris? Oh? We we yes?
Speaker 1: I and actually yes, yes, you know. I always get
Speaker 1: to confuse left bank, right bank. I know the lube
Speaker 1: and something else is on the left bank, and then
Speaker 1: to refell and the muse or say, isn't on the
Speaker 1: right bank? I think, I don't are you there for work?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you living there now? Or what's going on?
Speaker 1: I am how good luck. Um, I'm just here for vacation.
Speaker 1: This time, I was living here in this very apartment
Speaker 1: for work, uh to three I think three years ago
Speaker 1: I did a television series for Amazon called Patriot and
Speaker 1: it was season two and uh we shot the entire
Speaker 1: thing in Paris. It was fantastic. It was really it
Speaker 1: wasn't true, okay, because hey, you know, living in Paris
Speaker 1: it goes to why you got in the business in
Speaker 1: the first place. You know, it all came down to
Speaker 1: that job, right right? No, I mean I I My
Speaker 1: reason for getting into the acting game was you know,
Speaker 1: many fold, but one of the things that I thought
Speaker 1: was so attractive about it was the ability to travel
Speaker 1: to Europe and go to film festivals. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just kept thinking of Venice and Cohn and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I haven't gotten there yet, but it was
Speaker 1: the reason, one of the reasons I wanted to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I call it my my work vacation retirement plan kind
Speaker 1: of basically because I I've had the good fortune to
Speaker 1: go to Morocco and Prague and Paris and Montreal, you know,
Speaker 1: out of the United States and Mexico, and every last
Speaker 1: one of them has been amaze zing adventure and Amy
Speaker 1: saying experience. The people that I work with are great.
Speaker 1: I speak French and I speak Spanish and I learned
Speaker 1: Spanish on Gilmo girls. Um so I have to thank
Speaker 1: you know, Amy for that. And actually I Amy was
Speaker 1: doing Mrs Mazel. She came to Paris and shout an
Speaker 1: episode of Mrs Mazel and we were here at the
Speaker 1: same time, so I got to see her. So that
Speaker 1: was that was kind of kind of good too. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have any complaints, no complaints at all. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to be able to live
Speaker 1: here forever and have somebody else paid for it. That
Speaker 1: would be really great. Um, life's been pretty good. You know.
Speaker 1: I got married. I did not know that. Congratulations to
Speaker 1: the groom. I got married to an h Britt, to
Speaker 1: an Englishman and I know I David sitting here and
Speaker 1: he said he met me. I don't, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: But just to get everybody up today, you know, so, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been good. That's fantastic. Congratulations. Um so let's get
Speaker 1: into uh, let's get into the show. People the fans
Speaker 1: want to know and we all know on the in
Speaker 1: the cast and on the production, how important, what you
Speaker 1: do is to the show, and we've commented on it
Speaker 1: many times during uh this uh this podcast, UM, and
Speaker 1: a lot of fans are fascinated by that. Tell us
Speaker 1: how you got the job? Who you did you first
Speaker 1: meet Amy and she offered you the job? Or how
Speaker 1: did that go? No? I started off. I got the
Speaker 1: job as a costume supervisor, and Um, the designer sent
Speaker 1: me the pilot and the script and I read it,
Speaker 1: and my feeling after I saw the pilot and read
Speaker 1: the script was I don't care what I have to
Speaker 1: do to get this job. I'm getting this job because
Speaker 1: it was It touched me and it was heartfelt, and
Speaker 1: I love the relationship. I love the kind of eggs
Speaker 1: between you and lore Lie. You know, do they like
Speaker 1: each other? Well? Maybe, but I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: there was that energy between you two and then your
Speaker 1: loving energy with Roy and I just I liked the
Speaker 1: whole package and I had to do it. So UM.
Speaker 1: I supervised it for oh what two years? Three years
Speaker 1: I think, and then they there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: things that happened that I talked about, but UM, needless
Speaker 1: to say, I told them when they asked me what
Speaker 1: I take over being, you know, and be the designer.
Speaker 1: I said no, not right now because of the way
Speaker 1: things happened. And then finally Patricia said it's time, so
Speaker 1: I took over. And just for the fans, Patricia Palmer
Speaker 1: was one of the the top producers of the show.
Speaker 1: What was her official title? Um Um, she was line producer,
Speaker 1: line producer. Yeah, I have to look at huge job.
Speaker 1: Huge job. Yeah. She kept everyone in line, did um. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, Amy had some input in that,
Speaker 1: and I I got along well with Lauren and I
Speaker 1: just wanted it was best for the characters basically, and
Speaker 1: everyone I saw that that's what I wanted. So that's
Speaker 1: why I continued to do the show. Um. I I
Speaker 1: just wanted to make the characters come alive, you know
Speaker 1: they were. I was so into each and every character,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember that time when they were saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna wear a baseball cap anymore, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yes he is. But you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: for a while, remember, and then no, they were trying
Speaker 1: to take it off my head and they didn't want anymore.
Speaker 1: We were it was just gonna be a little slight change,
Speaker 1: and then it was it. It was you. It was
Speaker 1: it was your character, you know, that was Luke. That
Speaker 1: hat was just like your arm, you know, it was
Speaker 1: part of your character. And then you had it that
Speaker 1: Hume And what what season was that where they were
Speaker 1: contemplating the being Yeah, it was maybe season four or five.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, all those seasons kind of my
Speaker 1: mail together, but I'd have to look it up to
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. But it was just I just
Speaker 1: loved every single character. The crazier the character, the happier
Speaker 1: it made me. All of the festivals just made me happy.
Speaker 1: We had the Harvest Festival and the twelve I think
Speaker 1: it was twelve tap dancing kids in um blazers and
Speaker 1: with yellow stripes, and I was like, what where am
Speaker 1: I going to find blazers with yellow stripes? And so
Speaker 1: I went to the fabric store and found some yellow
Speaker 1: stripes and had them sewn onto the blazers, you know,
Speaker 1: because it felt right. Yeah, the crazier the better. So
Speaker 1: here's here's a question. So so you're reading every single script.
Speaker 1: You have to digest these scripts, and in Lauren's case,
Speaker 1: you have to say, Okay, in this episode, we're seeing
Speaker 1: Lauren either get a little more closed off or opening
Speaker 1: up a little more. She's a little happier, she's a
Speaker 1: little sad, or you know something, So that affects your
Speaker 1: decisions on wardrobe. Correct, Oh yeah, it does. Um. When
Speaker 1: she was happy, it was just she was a little
Speaker 1: more flowy. You know, she had on a skirt and
Speaker 1: it wasn't tight, and or I should say it wasn't
Speaker 1: form fitting. It was a little looser in the shape
Speaker 1: of it. And or she had on her favorite Peara
Speaker 1: jeans with her favorite rock and Roll T shirt and
Speaker 1: a really cool Dinna jacket, or you know, depending on
Speaker 1: what the season of the show was this particular time.
Speaker 1: And then when she was sad, it was she was
Speaker 1: a little more covered up. You know, it was more
Speaker 1: a looser fitting sweatshirt. Maybe she had on sweats you know,
Speaker 1: she made shadow tennis shoes, but she was just a
Speaker 1: little more closed. Yeah, as far as her personality was concerned,
Speaker 1: because she was sad. You know, when you're sad, you
Speaker 1: don't go with the deep v and you know everything
Speaker 1: hanging out? Now, were these all every episode was a
Speaker 1: consult with Amy or Lauren? And how much input did
Speaker 1: Lauren have in her own wardrobe? For example, a lot
Speaker 1: of It was a combination of both Amy. Amy was
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good about not I don't want to say
Speaker 1: not contributing to what Lauren had on at times if
Speaker 1: it was something special and if it was something that
Speaker 1: was going to move the character in a certain direction.
Speaker 1: My informost conversation was with Amy um and giving her
Speaker 1: what I felt the character was was doing and feeling
Speaker 1: at the time. And then my second consult was with
Speaker 1: Lauren because I wanted to make sure that Amy's you know,
Speaker 1: Amy's writing this, so I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: I was on point with how Amy was moving the
Speaker 1: character along and how Amy saw the character feeling. And
Speaker 1: then with Lauren, it was definitely consulted and we would
Speaker 1: talk about the character, how Lauren felt the character was
Speaker 1: moving along, and it was part of I felt my
Speaker 1: job to make sure that we were all moving in
Speaker 1: the same direction. So, because you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be I wanted Lauren to be happy, but I wanted
Speaker 1: Amy to be happy too, because Amy, it's her show. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of conversations, yeah, yeah, and Um, even even
Speaker 1: with your character, you know, it was okay, yes she
Speaker 1: did wear the plaid shirts, but you know, there were
Speaker 1: a couple of times where you didn't have on the
Speaker 1: plaid shirts and what type of of sure where you
Speaker 1: gonna wear? And you know, and especially because there wasn't clad,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of decision, a lot of lots
Speaker 1: of about and then I'd come to you and say, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so what do you think you know, I'd have a choice, um,
Speaker 1: who your choices, and I would explain to you, well,
Speaker 1: your character is doing this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1: But it was always the first consult with pain. Always
Speaker 1: I noticed the most, the most because I'm not really
Speaker 1: looking for So if I don't notice that people are
Speaker 1: doing your you know, your job is being done seamlessly.
Speaker 1: So if you don't notice the wardrobe, it's like and
Speaker 1: you and you feel a certain way, then then everybody's
Speaker 1: executing at a high level. And that's the way it
Speaker 1: should be. Right, You shouldn't notice it. But the thing,
Speaker 1: the thing that really and so I have an eye
Speaker 1: out for it. Right, So I'm really looking for because
Speaker 1: I'm hypercritical when I'm watching these episodes, and I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to find things. Um, inconsistencies are things I find
Speaker 1: a little off balance, are great things and whatever it
Speaker 1: is and the one thing I really loved was what
Speaker 1: you did with Scott Cohen's wardrobe when he was getting dumped,
Speaker 1: because right, look at your face. You turned him into
Speaker 1: a he is right he and it was it was
Speaker 1: And you had him looking so great at at Chilton
Speaker 1: and those outfits, and he was so confident in the
Speaker 1: hair and the the guy he is right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just also great what a package he brings to
Speaker 1: bear Um. And then when he moves in not moves
Speaker 1: in Buddies, when he's staying with Laureli for that those
Speaker 1: couple of days where they realized that they don't really
Speaker 1: mesh as well, and when he starts vying for power
Speaker 1: over Rory, it's like I want to have a say.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got him in these fairly shlubby, oversized
Speaker 1: wide collar shirts that make him look and he was
Speaker 1: a little slumped over, because such a good actor is
Speaker 1: just sort of slightly run over, right, So so it's
Speaker 1: looking a little baggy, it's looking a little out of sorts,
Speaker 1: it's looking a little i don't know, just kind of
Speaker 1: high schoolish and unkempt. Yeah, And and it really translated
Speaker 1: from him like, wow, this guy's just by that um
Speaker 1: marker alone. I knew he was on his way out.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, we have to be a little you know,
Speaker 1: you can't jump a really sharp together. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you could, right from an audience point of view.
Speaker 1: They have to be able to let go of him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who wants to let go of someone that looks they're
Speaker 1: at the top of their gang and they're just slightly
Speaker 1: going down hill a little? Yeah? Dumpan. I knew he
Speaker 1: was going out. I haven't seen the episodes. Thats the
Speaker 1: whole premise of the podcast. I haven't seen him. So
Speaker 1: I'm watching these with fresh eyes, and I thought, look
Speaker 1: at that, look at that shirt. He's not looking great anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's he's gone. He's out. He's not dressing like
Speaker 1: a winner anymore. Um. Who who did you enjoy wardrobeing
Speaker 1: for the most? Was it Sean Gunn with all this
Speaker 1: any outfits. I want to say, no offense to anybody else,
Speaker 1: but Sean is like he's he has a special little
Speaker 1: twinge in my heart. And the other thing was he
Speaker 1: was different all the time, all the time when he
Speaker 1: was just different, you know, he started off. Um, I
Speaker 1: think he was only supposed to be in it. You know,
Speaker 1: they were like, he just had a couple of lines
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. He's always in it, and he's
Speaker 1: always he's never the same, never the same. There was
Speaker 1: nothing that you could really identify him. You know. He
Speaker 1: was a photographer, he was he's a delivery guy driver
Speaker 1: uber which was a filmmaker. He was the filmmaker. He
Speaker 1: was so many different things and then what was it?
Speaker 1: He was Jesus. He was Jesus in that episode of
Speaker 1: Yeah and So, and he was a minuteur. That was
Speaker 1: my favorite one because I had I decided that I
Speaker 1: was going to paper machee this sculpture for him, and
Speaker 1: it was It started raining and which means that it's
Speaker 1: not going to dry, so that the set deck and
Speaker 1: the proper guides are bringing these huge e fans and
Speaker 1: on stage and they're just blowing everywhere. And um Casey,
Speaker 1: who was our scenic painter, I said, what happens if
Speaker 1: I put the paint in with the glue and the paper.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, then it'll be the color. And I
Speaker 1: was like perfect, and I just started doing it. And
Speaker 1: one of my costomers, Lonnie Shot, went and got food
Speaker 1: and she was just putting it in my mouth. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just finally and we had a we that
Speaker 1: was back when it was the beginning of iPods, and
Speaker 1: it was four dred and thirty three songs. That's how
Speaker 1: long it took me. And she made me a T
Speaker 1: shirt that said four hundred and thirty three songs. That's
Speaker 1: at least hundred minutes. It was. It was. It took
Speaker 1: me a while, but we got it dry, you know,
Speaker 1: blow dryers in the end, and he worked. So that
Speaker 1: was one of my my favorite costumes. I mean, we
Speaker 1: dressed him up as a woman. Um, it was the
Speaker 1: revolutionary or whatever. You know, they always had a year. Um,
Speaker 1: he did his mind you know when he was and
Speaker 1: then he simulated being born right. It was. It was
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. It was crazy. I think they're in the
Speaker 1: history of Hollywood. There isn't a better highlight reel than
Speaker 1: than Kirk. I mean, if you just put them all
Speaker 1: together right in one video, it would just slay. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. So he was you know, I bet Amy
Speaker 1: probably didn't have any more fun writing any other character
Speaker 1: than than Kirk. I mean that must have been just
Speaker 1: sweet comic relief for her. You know, Yeah, he was nuts.
Speaker 1: It was. It was it was just you know, you
Speaker 1: get this and I'm looking per curb curb. Ah, there
Speaker 1: he is. Okay, Jesus, oh my goodness. And now he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's in Guardian of the Galaxy and he's
Speaker 1: kind of the same character throughout those films. But it's
Speaker 1: just really kind of cool because he's you know, they've
Speaker 1: altered the way he looks. You know, it's there. They're yeah,
Speaker 1: they're green screening him like crazy. Yeah, that group character. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see him on the convention circuit. I do conventions
Speaker 1: now and I see him everyone. Yeah, we do. We
Speaker 1: share an agent. We uh, we actually do signings together
Speaker 1: and photos together sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, I did get to
Speaker 1: work with him. I just finished a show called The
Speaker 1: Terminal List, and I can't really say too much about it,
Speaker 1: but I had a Shawn guns waiting that was really lovely. Um.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of laughs and it was just
Speaker 1: it was it was great. Yeah, it's great. It's good
Speaker 1: spending time with him. He's a good hang. Um, tell
Speaker 1: us what it was like too. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that the the you know, the Netflix episodes, the year
Speaker 1: in the Life must have been very daunting sort of
Speaker 1: planning for you and your team to do four seasons,
Speaker 1: shooting four different seasons perhaps in one day and doing
Speaker 1: you know what was that? That was ninety minutes times
Speaker 1: four in three and a half months. So basically shooting
Speaker 1: four movies in three and a half months in four
Speaker 1: different seasons. How on earth did you? How do you
Speaker 1: keep track of that? I had a really big book,
Speaker 1: like I but I treated it like it was a film.
Speaker 1: That was the only way I could basically do it. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just sectioned it off. You know, each each
Speaker 1: character had winter, spring, summer, fall, claws. That It was
Speaker 1: a little challenging because not all those seasons were available
Speaker 1: m hm at the time, so some of them I'm manufactured,
Speaker 1: I had been made. Uh. It was every time I'd
Speaker 1: look at the call sheet or you know, the one liner,
Speaker 1: we would just we were very very precise about it
Speaker 1: because that's the only way it could be. And then
Speaker 1: when they would change it up, Oh, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: do this today, we're gonna do all oh wow, And
Speaker 1: it was I would just say, okay, that's fine, and
Speaker 1: I'd go to their summer closet I had to build.
Speaker 1: I built closets for each each character, and um, I
Speaker 1: would say the most fun out of almost the most fun,
Speaker 1: there were several most funs. You know, you can't just
Speaker 1: do one. It's Gilmore girls, so there's a lot. Was
Speaker 1: when Um Emily were the Levis you know LEVI T shirt,
Speaker 1: because that was so far off a character spectrum, it
Speaker 1: just made it lots of fun. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this episode presenting Laura Gilmore and the dresses.
Speaker 1: Did you create that dress Ferrory? Was that manufactured or
Speaker 1: was that purchased? Was that out her coming out? But
Speaker 1: they were purchased, they were They were purchased um at
Speaker 1: a bridal place downtown. We bought a lot of them,
Speaker 1: all different. And the fun thing about that that not
Speaker 1: a lot of people know is that when we did
Speaker 1: when Rory was in college and she did the Eye
Speaker 1: Jump You Jump episode, those were the same dresses. They
Speaker 1: were the same dresses. What I did was I, if
Speaker 1: it had straps, I took the straps off. I like
Speaker 1: switched everything around, and then I died them all different colors.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if it was gonna work. And
Speaker 1: then those same dresses were worn by I've muh that
Speaker 1: the there were this group of little girls and I
Speaker 1: don't remember what episode it was, But I cut them
Speaker 1: down and redied them. Interesting, so I got there was
Speaker 1: a lot of ware that was gotten out of that
Speaker 1: initial right, and all of those dresses that all of
Speaker 1: those girls wore, that's you know, everything you see on
Speaker 1: the screen, it's your responsibility, right, So all of those
Speaker 1: dresses were purchased from all the debutantes, from all the tuxedos,
Speaker 1: the shoes, the everything. What kind of a budget are
Speaker 1: you given to do that in that particular episode? Do
Speaker 1: you remember at the beginning? Not very much? Right, you know,
Speaker 1: not very much, and it's never to be quite honest. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's never enough. And that's where the creativity comes in
Speaker 1: to play. For example, that's why I use the same dresses,
Speaker 1: you know, because Property or Warner Brothers might as well
Speaker 1: use them. Again, I think they don't need what the same.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was an initial cost for that
Speaker 1: particular episode. We got more money than you know, we
Speaker 1: were giving more money than um. What is it that
Speaker 1: we were both to spend because usually you know, it's
Speaker 1: somewhere in the area of twenty third dollars per episode,
Speaker 1: depending on what's happening that particular one, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happening, and you know, because there were
Speaker 1: it just wasn't one person wearing a dress. But we
Speaker 1: got the dresses for pretty cheap. I think they were
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars piece, which for a bridal dress. They
Speaker 1: were they were literally bride's dresses. And got them for wholesale,
Speaker 1: and they were very well made because it needed to
Speaker 1: have a certain look to it too. You know, it
Speaker 1: needed to hang properly, and it's all about the fabric.
Speaker 1: If you have crappy fabric, it's just not going to
Speaker 1: look the same. And there was a certain caliber that
Speaker 1: because you know, it's Amy show, um, there was a
Speaker 1: certain caliber that Amy wanted to achieve and everyone else
Speaker 1: on the show wanted to achieve. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: so you're constantly I mean, there are no brakes for you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just a day, even Saturday Sundays
Speaker 1: you're shopping and I mean it's just like it's a constant,
Speaker 1: nine months, daily grind to get it right and to
Speaker 1: consult and to perfect and it's just what kind of
Speaker 1: days were you putting in? I mean how many hours
Speaker 1: were you putting in per day? Probably about eighteen eighteen
Speaker 1: hours every single day. Yeah, because it just it's just
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, you you know what you
Speaker 1: have to do. Um I have pride in my work.
Speaker 1: I love what I do, which it doesn't when I
Speaker 1: sit when I say t I was like, well that
Speaker 1: was working that much, but it didn't seem like it
Speaker 1: at the time. There was this one time that I
Speaker 1: came home and I fell asleep on the couch and
Speaker 1: my house keepercame it and cleaned my house and I
Speaker 1: woke up about nine o'clock at ninety like what happened
Speaker 1: or stuff? Yeah, you know, because I had just like
Speaker 1: dropped everything. When I walked in the door, my bid
Speaker 1: was made. I mean it was perfectly you know, clean
Speaker 1: me looking space and I she didn't move me. She
Speaker 1: just I fell asleep on the couch. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: make it to the bedroom. But um it, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't Sometimes it seems like it's it's a long day.
Speaker 1: But you know, I really love the crew. You know,
Speaker 1: it all depends on who you with. And I adored
Speaker 1: my crew. I could be with them twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day because they were like my family. And the
Speaker 1: the actual crew on the show, we were all like family.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't like people weren't getting along. Everyone
Speaker 1: was there to help everyone else. You know, the props.
Speaker 1: We worked well with everything with every if for example,
Speaker 1: props and persons and things like that that are shared.
Speaker 1: If polican Pola couldn't find it, um, she'd say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for such and such, and when I'm out
Speaker 1: in the world, I would see something and call her
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what about this. I'm gonna bring it
Speaker 1: and you can look at it. You know. It was
Speaker 1: cross pollenization in all the departments. So it was it
Speaker 1: was a terrific set to be on it. Really, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem it was that. So put us on the set. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're shooting those scenes with Rory being walked down
Speaker 1: the stairs by Christopher and the Tucks and she's in
Speaker 1: the wedding dress, the whole thing. Put us there on
Speaker 1: the set. You're there, right, your brend Bren Brenda is
Speaker 1: there checking in. You've got uh, You've got your team
Speaker 1: there looking at everything. And tell us about the kind
Speaker 1: of power you exert on the set. If you see
Speaker 1: something's a little off and you need to make a change,
Speaker 1: How does that process work? Do you go to the
Speaker 1: director and say listen, uh, there's a problem here and
Speaker 1: we need to I need to fix it. Do you
Speaker 1: get that kind of authority? Oh? Yeah, did that happen
Speaker 1: in that episode? Did that because there was so much
Speaker 1: going on? Um, it's just you know, it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of maybe the sleeve is dwn, you know, the
Speaker 1: strap or whatever. Um. What happens is before they get
Speaker 1: to set, Before the actors get to set, we're waiting
Speaker 1: outside their trail rooms. So when they step out, we
Speaker 1: already see if there's a major problem, so by the
Speaker 1: time and then we we address it right then and
Speaker 1: there on the spot. And then usually it only takes
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, um, depending on what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing really major because there's a fitting before.
Speaker 1: So all of the the chances the opportunity is for
Speaker 1: it not to be as perfect as it can be
Speaker 1: are eliminated before they get to set, or at least
Speaker 1: we hope they're eliminated. And then if it's something like that,
Speaker 1: someone is in the room helping her put her clothes on,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the zipper walk go up, or
Speaker 1: maybe a button falls off or something like that that's
Speaker 1: going to affect the way it looks when it gets
Speaker 1: to set. That's handled right then and there. So in
Speaker 1: you know, we help them dress where outside a dressing room,
Speaker 1: give them a check, and then we go to set
Speaker 1: and they have a rehearsal. And I'm usually outside the
Speaker 1: trainer too. I don't let that get away from me.
Speaker 1: So interesting. So so give us an idea of what
Speaker 1: it's like dressing and how much more time uh an
Speaker 1: effort goes into dressing and sort of managing the wardrobe
Speaker 1: of somebody, say like Lauren or alexis as as opposed
Speaker 1: to me, because it was I I must have been
Speaker 1: the easiest person to dress. There was nothing to do.
Speaker 1: Make sure that you know the it's on and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that said. Our shoes tied? Yes, everything good? Okay,
Speaker 1: But but the others normally it wasn't that hard either,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it was it was pretty simple.
Speaker 1: We were always outside the trailer I can't emphasize that enough.
Speaker 1: Always outside the trailer um, just waiting and if there
Speaker 1: was something. I mean, there were times when Lauren would
Speaker 1: open the door because Lauren liked to address herself because
Speaker 1: it was her time to get centered and go over
Speaker 1: her lines because you know, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: words someone should figure out? How many words did you
Speaker 1: guys say without a lot of words? Um? So you
Speaker 1: you want to give you want to give the actor
Speaker 1: their space that way. Um. And then if there was
Speaker 1: something that she needed, she would open the door and say, hey,
Speaker 1: can I have um, I don't know something, you know,
Speaker 1: can have a different pair of shoes? Or can I
Speaker 1: have these are are a little tight? Is there a
Speaker 1: pair that's a little more comfortable that'll go? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: we go get it. And we always had a couple
Speaker 1: of choices for Lauren outside the trailer too, so that
Speaker 1: we and the trailer was fairly close two Our costume
Speaker 1: trailer was very close to where you guys are getting
Speaker 1: dressed anyway, so it was just a matter of two seconds, right,
Speaker 1: Not to put you on the spot, but is there
Speaker 1: any particular story that you remember that was particularly funny
Speaker 1: that had to do with wardrobe and Lauren or Alexis
Speaker 1: or or anybody or Melissa that was memorable? And then
Speaker 1: away shape or for you know about the pajamas, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about what Jackson, what about
Speaker 1: the jack see that's how steamless it was on the pajamas.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, get the script at about eight o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: because you know how the scripts, they weren't too far
Speaker 1: in advance, um reading it. And then there's this description
Speaker 1: of Jackson exits the closet with pajamas on with his
Speaker 1: face I think it was what wasn't soccer? No wrestling?
Speaker 1: With his wrestling outfit from high school on? And I
Speaker 1: said a whole bunch of words like what what and
Speaker 1: but like a lot of words, what what? What? Excuse me?
Speaker 1: And that was the time where internet was just coming
Speaker 1: into being, and we borrowed the internet from the stage
Speaker 1: because you know, it was all cable then, it wasn't
Speaker 1: in the air. And I had I called and said, okay,
Speaker 1: so what time is he what's his call? Six o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning? What time is he going to? At seven?
Speaker 1: And the production designers calling me saying, why didn't you
Speaker 1: tell me that there was about this? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know because there was no closet in that
Speaker 1: house for them for him to come out of, so
Speaker 1: they had to be up all night making a closet door.
Speaker 1: I had to And that is another example of everyone
Speaker 1: working together. You know, we had a grip that had
Speaker 1: a nephew that lived in the senior me that was
Speaker 1: a wrestler. We got pictures from his nephew, Jackson, we
Speaker 1: called Jackson Jackson Sinnis, some pictures of him in high school.
Speaker 1: We photo shop the whole thing. I had to call
Speaker 1: in a couple of favors, got it printed. I just
Speaker 1: confidently happened to have some pajamas that were all white
Speaker 1: and at my house that were Brooks brothers, perfect size everything.
Speaker 1: And spent all night long, in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: having this printed and had it printed, ironing it. And
Speaker 1: the funny thing is that the place it was Federal
Speaker 1: FedEx place they did scanning. It was the only place
Speaker 1: in Marina that didn't. And when I was a lot younger,
Speaker 1: he used to be a club and I just go
Speaker 1: to that club upstairs getting this scanning. Then I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: this is a far pride from the club day. But um,
Speaker 1: we accomplished it. When he walked out in the pajamas
Speaker 1: with you know, his face all over it, the entire
Speaker 1: crew applauded because there were so many crew members that
Speaker 1: had said, Okay, I can do this. You know I
Speaker 1: can do that, and um, you know it was funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great story, but Melissa, not everything was funny everything, but
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the funny was in her
Speaker 1: dressing room that I'd have to ask her if I
Speaker 1: could divulge the funny, you know. I mean we were
Speaker 1: laughing a lot. She's very funny person, just naturally talking
Speaker 1: about anything. It's the voice inflections, the way she delivers
Speaker 1: her words, her sentences are just naturally funny. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's odd, it's just such an It's just I've never
Speaker 1: she was the most talented person on that set. I
Speaker 1: always thought she would have a big career. You know,
Speaker 1: after we saw her at the Groundlings, I thought, whoa,
Speaker 1: she's gonna be on Saturday Night Live. She's going to
Speaker 1: be a big star. And she did. I saw Mara
Speaker 1: Oh really Friday Night. Wow, she is um doing a
Speaker 1: play at the looking Glass, the mar Casey. She's referring
Speaker 1: to everybody she came on and they had a casting
Speaker 1: season two on Go Ahead right, and she's she's possible
Speaker 1: for a lot of the actors going on to great
Speaker 1: careers because you know, Jemal Girls was their launching pair. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and it was as if we had seen each other yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just like see us, see you tomorrow,
Speaker 1: that kind of of things. So, yeah, it's very much fun.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us, uh about your experience getting
Speaker 1: the notification that the series had ended? Were you preparing
Speaker 1: for season eight? Yes? I was shocked. I know exactly
Speaker 1: where I was. It was like, well where were you
Speaker 1: and so and so? Yeah, I was doing. Um, I
Speaker 1: had like another show that I was doing, but it
Speaker 1: was more reality, so I you know, it wasn't constant.
Speaker 1: It was twice every three months or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. I was getting the personality,
Speaker 1: you know, the actor dressed. And I got a call
Speaker 1: from Patricia and she said we're canceled mm hm. And
Speaker 1: my reaction was what, you know, I mean seriously, it
Speaker 1: was what And I said, you mean the show? And
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I just I was very sad.
Speaker 1: It was one of those you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: big party, not in the party sense, but it was
Speaker 1: just I didn't feel like we had a proper goodbye.
Speaker 1: It was it was kind of I felt like the
Speaker 1: rug had been pulled out from under me. Didn't you
Speaker 1: feel that it was in the offing though, because Amy,
Speaker 1: the Warner Bros. Didn't sign Amy to a two year deal.
Speaker 1: They offered her a one year deal and she felt
Speaker 1: a little slighted by that and decided to step away.
Speaker 1: I felt a little strange when she didn't come back,
Speaker 1: because you know what it's you girls, is Amy. She
Speaker 1: created that show and she put the extra something something.
Speaker 1: It's like gumbo. She just put that that thing in
Speaker 1: it that you can't describe, but it just makes it good.
Speaker 1: And I thought, I thought David Rosenthal did a great job.
Speaker 1: But how do you You can't. You can't replace something
Speaker 1: that is, you know, that unique. It's just not coming
Speaker 1: out of you know that he didn't create the character,
Speaker 1: so it's he understood them. He's a very gifted writer.
Speaker 1: He has nothing to prove anybody. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: terrific talent. But my god, asking it's it's too much
Speaker 1: to ask somebody to take over a show like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that was that secret sauce. You know
Speaker 1: there's something something. Um, it still tastes good. M hm.
Speaker 1: You know it was still good, but it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't Amy. That's that's all I can say. But you know,
Speaker 1: we did season seven and I was as long as
Speaker 1: Patricia was there, I was. I was good for season eight,
Speaker 1: and then we were not there. We weren't there and
Speaker 1: I understood though, I got it, but it was just
Speaker 1: that initial what Yeah, that show was done. It was
Speaker 1: every every day when I had to fit or see
Speaker 1: a lot of the characters that had been on the
Speaker 1: show for the entire time, it was just so happy.
Speaker 1: It just made me so happy. They were happy. You know.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of tears. Even the dog, even
Speaker 1: the dog before fitting thank you. It was just yeah,
Speaker 1: even even the dog. It's like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: dog is still alive. Oh my god, bring you know,
Speaker 1: bring again please. Uh So that was kind of like
Speaker 1: the goodbye hello goodbye. Yeah, we had a three and
Speaker 1: a half months goodbye. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. It
Speaker 1: was really great. Thing that was missing was right, you know.
Speaker 1: That was the first day we went into Remember that
Speaker 1: we walked into that set and that big, that giant
Speaker 1: painting of him. Yeah, I'm getting chilled right now, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: I just kept waiting because the piano was there, and
Speaker 1: during you know, in between takes, he would just sit
Speaker 1: and play the piano and just sang some silly song
Speaker 1: and I kept looking over at the piano expecting for
Speaker 1: him play. And we moved on from it. But he's
Speaker 1: still he still has a huge place in my heart
Speaker 1: and everyone else's heart. So that was the only thing
Speaker 1: that was missing from from everything. Right. It was a
Speaker 1: bit odd. Um. I wouldn't like to have put him
Speaker 1: in jeans. He was great. He was great in this
Speaker 1: episode two. I mean he's great in everyone, but what
Speaker 1: a what a great performance in this episode, all the
Speaker 1: fighting with emil A. He's losing his thinks he's losing
Speaker 1: his job anyway. So we're getting to the end here
Speaker 1: of our time. UM, I want to do something with
Speaker 1: it called rapid fire with you. Are you ready? I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna fire some questions that you have to answer
Speaker 1: them as fast as you can. You ready? H Come on, faster? Seatbelt?
Speaker 1: How do you take your coffee? Can you smell snow? No?
Speaker 1: Chicago exactly? Um? You know I'm doing these from memory? Uh?
Speaker 1: Are you team just team Dean or teen logan? Who's
Speaker 1: the daddy? Who that person that she went on the
Speaker 1: date with? Oh that one night stand? Okay? Huh interesting? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll find we'll find out who that is. Uh, show
Speaker 1: your binge watching right now? Made? Oh and dope sick?
Speaker 1: Oh forget made dope sick? Okay? Uh? And I think
Speaker 1: there are a couple of other questions, but I can't
Speaker 1: remember them, So I think you did pretty good on
Speaker 1: rapid Fire. What's your favorite car? Who's who? Wait? Minute, wait,
Speaker 1: who's your favorite designer? Costume designer or design? Uh? Both? Uh?
Speaker 1: Morley McGuinness costume designer and Gucci Gucci? Um? Uh city
Speaker 1: you'd want to live in the rest of your life?
Speaker 1: Have you been to the Rambo Museum here? Now? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are you going to go to the Louver? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna? Have you been? I've been to my
Speaker 1: favorite museum here in my um muse favorite say the muse.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a serious question? Would it would
Speaker 1: it be possible to get roller skates inside the louver?
Speaker 1: And could you roller skate the entire loup? And if so,
Speaker 1: could you do it in under seven minutes? There's no chance? No,
Speaker 1: But could you get roller skates in the first place?
Speaker 1: Could you enter the louver in roller skates? You could? Oh? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't it's too many people in there.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to do it in seven minutes.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do it, So it's just okay. It's one
Speaker 1: of my dreams do the seven minute move and then
Speaker 1: the next day. You know, I'd take the whole day
Speaker 1: to go through, but I just want to see if
Speaker 1: I can do it. Um, Brenda, it's been amazing, Um,
Speaker 1: great catching up with you. You're one of my favorite
Speaker 1: people on that whole set. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: did it. You were always in a good mood. You
Speaker 1: were always had full of cheer and smiles. Um. You know, people,
Speaker 1: a lot of fans are very knowledgeable about shows, but
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people watch awards shows
Speaker 1: and they sort of chafe at the fact that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's wardrobe people up there receiving awards and like, can
Speaker 1: we just get to the actors and this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't understand is how much
Speaker 1: work and effort goes into what you do to make
Speaker 1: a show, to suspend people's disbelief, to make that stars
Speaker 1: hollow believable, so people can inhabit it. Fans and audience
Speaker 1: members can inhabit that place in a seamless way and
Speaker 1: no pun intended, seamless huh um. And you did a
Speaker 1: marvelous job. So hats off to you, and thank you
Speaker 1: for your contributions to the show because it was really
Speaker 1: a very and it's turning out now it's twenty one
Speaker 1: years after the fact, it's turning out to be this
Speaker 1: sort of like iconic. You know, it's like any day
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian is going to call and you know, send
Speaker 1: people around to the house, like where's the hat, Where's
Speaker 1: there's the shoes, Let's go about, you know, and go
Speaker 1: through my stuff. But I mean, it just it keeps
Speaker 1: growing and growing and growing as the years go by,
Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody's ever saw that coming. So it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a whole new generation. It's kind of fantastic because
Speaker 1: that means that all of the things that Amy wrote
Speaker 1: about still it's you know, done the test time, and
Speaker 1: there's still relevant to today's you know, the relationships between
Speaker 1: a parent and you know, daughter or son, it's it
Speaker 1: still works and that's the thing that's really important, and
Speaker 1: that brings a smile to people's faces. I've had people
Speaker 1: say to me, oh my god, did my mom and
Speaker 1: I are watching this and the mom was little at
Speaker 1: the time and watching it with hermas. It's a nice transition. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was wonderful catching up. Thank you for taking the
Speaker 1: time out of your vacation, your Parisian vacation. Let's do
Speaker 1: this again in the not too distant future. All the
Speaker 1: best to you, much love and uh and and thank
Speaker 1: you again. Okay, it was wonderful, wonderful talking to you
Speaker 1: all right, take care. Okay. That was fantastic. I loved
Speaker 1: catching up with Brenda. I missed her so much. She
Speaker 1: was one of the things I looked forward to, uh,
Speaker 1: going to set every day seeing Brenda uh and hanging
Speaker 1: out and and having a laugh. It wasn't she fantastic?
Speaker 1: What great stories, what great insight her And wardrobe is
Speaker 1: it's so important, and I just I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: that we get to do this and let people know
Speaker 1: how important wardrobe is, because when it's off, it ruins
Speaker 1: uh any storytelling. Max were I know, I know a
Speaker 1: little bit about my craft. You know, there's there's you know,
Speaker 1: wardrobe was part of it. I love the fashion on
Speaker 1: this show, and I think what's really interesting is twenty
Speaker 1: years later, especially Laurel her clothes. You could wear them today.
Speaker 1: She looks so cool, timeless. Yes, yeah, and but yet
Speaker 1: him it's like really crazy because it's twenty years later,
Speaker 1: we're almost everything she wres. Anyway, Brenda may have been
Speaker 1: a giant in the wardrobe game for film and television,
Speaker 1: and we were blessed having her on Gilmore Girls, and
Speaker 1: we were blessed being able to talk to her from
Speaker 1: her Paris vacation. Amy, you can identify with that, with
Speaker 1: your three houses and your multiple your multi lingual international lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Do you have something interesting to reveal? What is that
Speaker 1: about this episode? But I know we're running out of time.
Speaker 1: We ran so long with Brenda because we're having such
Speaker 1: a good time talking with her. We're going to have
Speaker 1: to do a separate recap, uh recording, and we'll release
Speaker 1: that in a couple of days. And if you're a
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Speaker 1: a notification, So subscribe right now. Give us five stars. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a wonderful feature. So do that. Do what Amy said? Um,
Speaker 1: I've done what Amy says, and it's look look at
Speaker 1: where it's gotten me. I mean, I'm almost in one
Speaker 1: of the yachts do have something interesting to reveal. It
Speaker 1: was debating, is it is like a smaller Is it
Speaker 1: like a Sessna? You have your own airplane Sessna, But
Speaker 1: it is it is? Alright, alright, alright, Um, you have
Speaker 1: your own series of what do you have a wedding
Speaker 1: dress shop? Alright? Uh? You own a series of wedding
Speaker 1: dress shops in Europe? Alright, They're called Amy's Sugar Shack,
Speaker 1: Wedding Dresses discount. It's not a bad name. Um. Actually,
Speaker 1: open a candy store called Amy Sugar Shack. We'll do,
Speaker 1: you know, We'll open up a division of Scotty Piece,
Speaker 1: Pig Mug Coffee Amy Sugar Shack, and we're gonna have candy.
Speaker 1: We can sell candy. Yeah that I am all in chocolate.
Speaker 1: I've tried to. I've tried to make a couple of
Speaker 1: deals man for candy. Yeah. It's hard business. It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah. I can't imagine to make a lot
Speaker 1: of money candy because it's like cheap. No, the margins
Speaker 1: are pretty good, yeah, the high end. But but the
Speaker 1: tough part is the shipping. In the summertime, somehow chocolate
Speaker 1: seems to melt and route, so you have to pack
Speaker 1: it with ice. I experienced that. God was it with
Speaker 1: seas some candy they couldn't have been shipped. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was my Justine's peanut butter. I'm not sure it's one
Speaker 1: of us two. And because it was so hot in
Speaker 1: the summer, gun ship, yeah, they gotta put ice in.
Speaker 1: It just gets crazy. I mean, I've listen, we're working.
Speaker 1: I mean Scottie p Sweet Shop coffees, right, we wanted
Speaker 1: to follow up with the actual candies. I was talking
Speaker 1: to so many different people. We just couldn't strike a deal.
Speaker 1: Couldn't make a nail. You gotta make a deal to
Speaker 1: keep our wheels turning on things we can do. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so everybody subscribe because we're not as ye. All right,
Speaker 1: so um, anyway, thank you everybody for downloading this episode
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