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Speaker 1: Really really, donks look at us now.

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Speaker 2: Tip to Tim. This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Monday, August seventeenth, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and it is time, donks for Morning Combat. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: my name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duo. I am joined by the gentleman on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the screen. You know him from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports as well as various couches in his basement,

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Speaker 1: drunk on a Sunday, passed out shirt up to his nipples,

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Speaker 1: not really knowing what's going wrong with the world. It

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Speaker 1: is my friend and yours Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi BC, as the great John Sebastian once saying, Luke,

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Speaker 2: what a day for a day? Drink yesterday? All right,

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Speaker 2: but that's behind us. Okay, all your viewers out there,

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Speaker 2: you can breathe out so you can breathe us in,

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Speaker 2: right MK. I am ever long with excitement and feels

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Speaker 2: down below for today's episode. Not just Luke, because we're

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Speaker 2: coming off DJA Step A three and such a whistoric event.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we can remove that fourth wall and

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Speaker 2: let people know that you're dressed in a T shirt

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Speaker 2: today because you're underslept and very angry. And I learn

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Speaker 2: that Spice.

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Speaker 1: I am angry at the world generally, and I'm in

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Speaker 1: particular angry for no good reason other than I just

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Speaker 1: haven't slept. I saw. I haven't slept more than six hours. Bear,

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Speaker 1: that's the most I've gotten in any night in over

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Speaker 1: like nine or ten days. So I'm ready to die

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Speaker 1: like the notorious Big where's my last counterfuck face? Very quickly?

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Speaker 1: If we can BC, We're gonna get to UFC two

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Speaker 1: fifty two today. Showtime Championship Boxing was back on Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: We'll look ahead to a bunch of fights both on

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Speaker 1: your shirt, your tumbler, your coffee mug, and everything else

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Speaker 1: in between. And BC, what am I forgetting to plug here?

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Speaker 1: I must be forgetting something?

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Speaker 2: Oh plug us, Luke, because the MK just don't stop

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Speaker 2: for hose we get around. I hope people saw us

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Speaker 2: Benevida's angulo. And look, we're not really allowed to talk

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Speaker 1: But Luke, I think with that, I can't I cannot

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm sure the viewers they're waiting for

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Speaker 2: Happened at the end, but it was, you know it was,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier loses a unanimous decision across the board. I

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Speaker 2: some DC. He doesn't have a leg to stand on

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Speaker 2: I poke potentially affect the outcome of this third fight, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Luk. Yeah, I mean, here's the view I take and

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Speaker 1: thinking about it a little bit longer, which is number one.

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Speaker 1: I do not personally I'm not suggesting that'swer exactly what

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Speaker 1: I poke in all of them. And again, some are

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Speaker 1: that's sort of my broader point about the ipoke BC.

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Speaker 1: DC is right. It just kind of is what it is.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it's it's bad to use the

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Speaker 2: term karma and necessarily mean you're like wishing it upon

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Speaker 2: somebody like canel oliv Is. In boxing, it's got a

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Speaker 2: long history of giving the benefit of the doubt in

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Speaker 2: close fights. One of these fights, Luke, he's our eyes

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Speaker 2: be like, you know, it's kind of cosmic combat. Karma

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Speaker 2: But I think that's the case with DC, because Luke,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you this question. If there had been

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Speaker 2: the ref missed that maybe we should do a fourth

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Speaker 2: you lose that benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 2: I surprised that he abandoned wrestling after round one and

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Speaker 2: the varying of his style in his adjustments, But overall, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily feel like DC wanted to be in

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Speaker 2: which is what the third fight was all about and

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Speaker 1: That's right. I think I also just saw a guy.

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Speaker 1: Stepe won that round, clearly, winning the second nearly stopping

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Speaker 1: and so I really took my hat off to Steepey.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was an excellent performance by him. To me,

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Speaker 2: I think the blood and guts of the second one

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Speaker 2: kind of pulled it down. But you know, the first

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Speaker 2: more if he felt comfortable that he was ahead in

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Speaker 2: DC looked like you wanted to be There was this

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Speaker 2: luke He hit stepe in this third fight with the

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Speaker 2: kitchen sink. He hit him with his best son, I

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Speaker 2: thought two or three times, and stepe A was there

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Speaker 2: and he kept coming. I think that's when DC kind

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Speaker 2: of realized, like, you know, I gonna out wrestle him

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Speaker 2: The more he saw this younger, fresher, hungrier man keep coming,

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Speaker 2: And that's all credit to Stepe, who is not just intangibles,

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Speaker 2: everything in this fight. And look, it's a hell of

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Speaker 2: a win. It's an absolutely huge win to kind of

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Speaker 1: Very quickly. DC's legacy now, is he at the second

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is. Look, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's wrong to say, Look, he's kind of a bridesmaid

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Speaker 2: But you lose to the man of the era twice

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Speaker 2: in each division, John Jones and step A Miocic, it

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Speaker 2: that hill and just couldn't. It doesn't mean we'll look

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Speaker 2: at him any less historically, but it does mean we

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Speaker 2: were right Luken saying that this third fight was the

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Speaker 2: DC won this, he really could have made that final

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with any of that. Jay wants to

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Speaker 1: Jay wants us to move along. One last question on

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Speaker 1: this PC, and I'll give it to you again. Dana

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Speaker 1: that night in a way we hadn't seen him. Clearly

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Speaker 1: interested in returning, clearly interested in competing, probably more so

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Speaker 1: why are they doing this PC? They want to save

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Speaker 1: money on a Stepe versus France's fight, They want to

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Speaker 1: reduce Jones's leverage. Why wouldn't you make a John Jones

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to go with the reduced the leverage

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Speaker 2: you know, access to bigger money during this quarantine. Uh,

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Speaker 2: sort of biting their lip and saying we'll see, We'll

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Speaker 2: own terms for big money. I know DC said I'm

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Speaker 2: obviously there is a scenario, by the way, where John

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Speaker 2: The fact that we have three studs right now, steep A.

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Speaker 2: A Francis gets the winner. You cannot lose here. You

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Speaker 2: over Stipe. Very interesting stuff right there. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And lastly, I would just add I wouldn't mind

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Speaker 1: And his popularity is good for Boo using my visibility.

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Speaker 1: fight show, I watched it and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know exactly what happened here,

431
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: and I think maybe the UFC does need to run

432
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 1: this back. They do need to get behind this effort,

433
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: because who can say for sure how Sean injured himself

434
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: or how he was injured. And you know, for Cheetoh

435
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 1: to be all celebratory in a case where it's murky,

436
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if that's the best look.

437
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: And then I really reviewed what evidence is available, and

438
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: to be clear, we've not heard from Sean O'Malley himself

439
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: or heard with the medical diagnosis actually is, and until

440
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,959
Speaker 1: we have that information, we should probably pause this a

441
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: little bit. But I think all the evidence that we

442
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: have points to this being not controversial at all. Chieto

443
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: Vera either some people think it was from a check

444
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: or on two fifty four of the first round he

445
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: drilled them with a hard shot and from there his

446
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: leg was just never the same. I admire his guts

447
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,479
Speaker 1: trying to fight out of it, but he fell down

448
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: and then Cheeto Vera we knew has vicious ground and pound.

449
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: We knew, dude, Cheeto Vera is not to be trifled with.

450
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: He is a tough, durable veteran and talented Kui. He's

451
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Speaker 1: not just some dude who's a stand in there who

452
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: can take a shot. He is a guy who can

453
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: deliver them back as well, and can do it with

454
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Speaker 1: skill and patience. And that is exactly what he did.

455
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Speaker 1: It is not a surprise that he beat someone like

456
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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley. And for me, if I'm in the Sean

457
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: O'Malley camp, the question is not so much is this

458
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Speaker 1: guy talented when he has space and time to do

459
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: his razzle dazzle? Obviously he is. He looked amazing for

460
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: the first couple of minutes there BC. But the other

461
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: question is, dude, is he durable enough, quite literally to

462
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Speaker 1: withstand the kind of punishment that he's gonna have to

463
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: face in that bansamweight division. Dude. It is all heavy

464
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: hitters up there. It is all monsters who deliver serious

465
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: shots to the body, whether it is concussive blows across

466
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Speaker 1: the jaw, rib roaster or leg kicks like this. You

467
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: want to be a bandsaway buddy, bring a helmet, you

468
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: better strap in. It is very, very difficult, and there

469
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: are some questions at this point about to what extent,

470
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Speaker 1: not that he has a bad schin, of course, but

471
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: about different bodies sustain injury loads differently, and if that's

472
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Speaker 1: an issue for him, it's going to be a long

473
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Speaker 1: standing one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, strap it on. Strap it didn't let you begin,

475
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Speaker 2: Luke there, I think those are fair takes, and I

476
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: think that there's two things that can be mutual at

477
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: the same time that this was both correctly a breakout

478
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Speaker 2: performance from Marlon Vera. He gets all the credit for

479
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Speaker 2: the win and is able to use that to catabult,

480
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, into the top ten and maybe get a

481
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Speaker 2: top five matchup. And at the same time, Luke, I

482
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: think it was a wonky enough loss where you know,

483
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: O'Malley wasn't solved and he doesn't necessarily get hurt long

484
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: term from this with the exception of this slowing down

485
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: his rise and then obviously anything any fallout from the injury.

486
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Speaker 2: Unlike the Chandler premise fight which you mentioned, and unlike

487
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: you know Wideman Silva two, where when both of those

488
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: fights ended, you're like, well, it was the freak injury

489
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: that caused it. I think it was Marlon Vera by

490
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: being so aggressive and opportunistic of leaping in with that

491
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: absolutely vicious ground and pound that he was able to

492
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Speaker 2: remove some of that. Because if eventually O'Malley just gives

493
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 2: way and taps out because of the leg, you really

494
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: don't get credit. In this case, Vera was able to

495
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Speaker 2: take a lot of that credit and deserve it. I

496
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: don't think you need to run it back right away.

497
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't think there's even though it was unanswered questions,

498
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: it kind of reminded me a lot of lesnar Mere one,

499
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: where you know, we didn't get the real answer at

500
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: who was the better fighter, but the win was sneaky

501
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: enough where that guy can move on and we'll probably

502
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: see it again down the road. I think you see

503
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: this rematch again down the road. I think Vera should

504
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: be rewarded for this win, for being tough for causing

505
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: that injury if he checked the kick or what have you.

506
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Speaker 2: And I think for O'Malley, it's just get healthy and

507
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: we'll start this, you know, this train all over again

508
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: in terms of catapulting you to the mainstream and finding

509
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: out if you actually are tough and durable enough. Not

510
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Speaker 2: a good ending, Luke, But at the very we have

511
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: a bright story to talk out of that, and that's

512
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: Vera having one six of his last seven and really

513
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: proving that he's an absolute badass and you know he

514
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: can compete with a lot of these guys in this

515
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: load of top ten, no.

516
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: Doubt about it. But the one thing that deserves to

517
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: be mentioned here is the media was taking some heat

518
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: from the fan base, and not without not without good reason,

519
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that Steven A. Smith package when

520
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: they were introducing O'Malley as like this mix between Lamar

521
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: Jackson and lebron and no, it was like Lamar Jackson,

522
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic and I forget who the other one was,

523
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you out of your fucking mind?

524
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? You absolute zero nothing,

525
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean just absurd level, I mean literal comic levels

526
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: of hyperbole. It's not that Sean O'Malley is not talented.

527
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: I do believe in terms of his actual ability, he's

528
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: crazy talented. He does have, I think what it takes,

529
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: but you got to put it together in fights, and

530
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: that means injuries, and that means dudes who have great chins,

531
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: and that means being unlucky, and that means you gotta

532
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: be lucky on some ways too. Right, Fador didn't win

533
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: thirty fights in a row or thirty fights out of

534
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: his first thirty one just on skill. He got lucky

535
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times Fujita rocked him. He still found

536
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: a way to win, but that got, you know, pretty

537
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: dicey for him. And so this is my point. It's like,

538
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I think he has the things that the media have pinpointed,

539
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: but there has been an outrageous amount of hyperbole culminating

540
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: in that Stephen A. Smith package on fight night. It's

541
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: time to dial it back just a little bit. Let's see,

542
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: at twenty five years of age what he can do.

543
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: I think that the interesting part about Vera is that

544
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: he has not shown that same razzle dazzle, but he

545
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: has been in the trenches against really tough dudes. He

546
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: fought Lineker and took Lineker's best shots like it was nothing.

547
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: He was right there with him. That's all l on

548
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: his record, but it's one of those moments you're like, Okay,

549
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: all right, this guy. You know, if he can round

550
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: the corner from a talent standpoint, he's got everything else

551
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: he needs in terms of just being fight ready for

552
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: this kind of a you know, in the trench's division.

553
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: I think Sean O'Malley is a little bit different in

554
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: that regard, and maybe that means, you know, getting in

555
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: the weight room or I don't know, I'm not a

556
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: physical conditioning coach. I wouldn't I wouldn't know what the

557
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: proper answer to that is because I don't think it's

558
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: his chin, and I don't think it's his mindset. It

559
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: could just be his body. I made his point yesterday BC.

560
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: We had a tight end here in DC. Jordan Reid

561
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: when he was healthy in running routes, dude, he was

562
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: an absolute marvel to watch, but he had constant concussion problems.

563
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: Every time he got tackled, something happened to his ribs

564
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: or his legs or his knees. He just could not

565
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: stay healthy. We will see. We will see if that's

566
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: a similar fate that Sean O'Malley might suffer.

567
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's obviously a disappointment the way the fight

568
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: went down because you didn't get the answers you needed

569
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: coming in. But we'll find them out. We'll find them out.

570
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: And you know, there's no reason to panic. Let's not

571
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: panic about sugar Shawn, all.

572
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Right, no panicking, all right, So let's let's talk about show.

573
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: Hey. You know who shouldn't panic is Jay in my ears, right, Jay,

574
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: we got a lot of show left.

575
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Speaker 1: Panicking, job all right, showtime, champish boxing. Let's go through

576
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: this if we can to return to the mohegan Son.

577
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, David Benavidez scoring essentially a tenth round

578
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: TKO sort of retirement on the stool kind of thing

579
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: over Alexis and Gulo BC. We did the way in

580
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: shows and Benavetez missed weight, losing his title on the scales.

581
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: He was immediately apologetic and sort of had indicated that

582
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: maybe it was him not having enough preparation, not realizing

583
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: that with these new COVID protocols, he wouldn't have access

584
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: to the things he normally had access to. I found

585
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: that to be a you know, look, you still signed

586
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: the dotted line said you were going to do the

587
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: weight and make it so you're still responsible, but not

588
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: a crazy excuse seems like pretty reasonable. Did he look

589
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: good enough to redeem himself on Saturday.

590
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he looked absolutely fantastic. I would he

591
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: looks so good Luking and just dominating and Goola. Now

592
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: look on Angula was more raw and more of a

593
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: limited fighter, but the distance that Benefitez were able to

594
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: keep so that he never got caught with anything big

595
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: and then did his typical flare of the flurries. He

596
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: switched stances this time. I mean he showed more wrinkles

597
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: than normal. He redeemed the best he could for what

598
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: was an embarrassing situation. Certainly some of the COVID related

599
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: parts and the unprecedented nature plays into that also. At

600
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: the same time, what he mentioned was, you know, this

601
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: isn't me being lazy or unprepared. Maybe I messed up

602
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: my diet a little bit, but you know, stamina wise,

603
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: preparation wise, training camp. I'm there, you saw that in

604
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: the ring, and I think we did, Luke, and that

605
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: doesn't cover up what he did. He has to pay

606
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: the price for being unprofessional ultimately despite the things against him,

607
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: and he did. He lost that WBC title for the

608
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: second time. Both times not for things that happened in

609
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: the ring, but I think he fought well enough where

610
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: if his reward is inevitably a vacant title, bout to

611
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: try to regain that green belt for the third time,

612
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: maybe against his original mandatory challenger and Avne Yilderham, the

613
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: slugger from Turkey, which would be a fun fight. That's

614
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: not bad. I think this will delay his launch into

615
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: the Unification realm to try to get guys like Caleb

616
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Plant in the ring. You know, they hate each other.

617
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: We want to see that fight a lot. That will

618
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: slow that down, maybe put another hurdle on the road.

619
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: But Benavitez absolutely did what he needed to do, which

620
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: was handle his business in the ring to sort of

621
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: mute some of that criticism coming his way.

622
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the interesting part about this was what was bothering

623
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: me to watch. I had the two screens up on Saturdays.

624
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: He was absolutely tooling Alexis and Googlo. I mean it

625
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: was not it was competitive in the sense that it

626
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: took He took his time, and he was patient and

627
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: then in Goolah was as tough as advertised. Right, Okay,

628
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: that was true, but the whole narrative shifted from he

629
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: is going to do what he needs to do to

630
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: set up these big fights. I know he had the

631
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: mandatory against Elderenham, but you know the Caleb plant fights.

632
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: He was basically planting seeds in the minds of fans

633
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: and promoters and everybody else that these were fights you

634
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: needed to see. And he still did that, but the

635
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: narrative switched to what can he do tonight to make

636
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: up for what he lost yesterday? And that just sets

637
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: everything back. So was it the kind of performance where

638
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: he went in there and just bulldozed him and four

639
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: rounds and knocked him out and blew him out of

640
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: his shoes to the boar where you could just forget

641
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: everything and you're and you're making everyone skip all the

642
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well he has a mandatory. You know

643
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: when he comes back, we'll skip all that. We don't

644
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: need to worry about that at all. Well, we'll just

645
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: fast forward him. You know. It wasn't some kind of

646
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: miraculous experience. It was, as you mentioned, what he needed

647
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: to do, but the problem was what he needed to

648
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: do shifted from setting up Caleb Plant to just getting

649
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: back on the tracks. So while he did that, there's

650
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: just you can't get around the setback that he put

651
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: for himself. It's not the end of the world, but

652
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: it certainly is unfortunate in a time when in COVID,

653
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, promoters of all stripes need their best talents

654
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: in rotation against their best fighters when possible. This was

655
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: a bit of an unfortunate one. Still, he looked pretty good. Now.

656
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that co main event if

657
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: we can, the vacant interim WBA Lightweight title between Rowando

658
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: Romero and Jackson Mariinez. I don't use the word robbery

659
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: very often, but that was a robbery. In fact, I'm

660
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: usually one of these folks who says, listen, with the

661
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: way that scoring works and the kind of latitude that

662
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: we provide, you need to understand that based on ringside

663
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: position and what you saw, on what you heard, your

664
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: own internal subjective biases, any number of other factors. There

665
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: can really be a lot of circumstances where a round

666
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: can go to either fight or This was not one

667
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: of those fights. I had Marina's winning. I think eight

668
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to four essentially not only did he lose, one of

669
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: the judges had it one hundred and eighteen to one

670
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: hundred and ten for Romero. Now Romero had moments in

671
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: this fight. To be clear, he is heavy handed. There

672
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: were rounds he won quite cleanly, and when he did

673
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: he is certainly impressive, make no mistake about it. But

674
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: we knew Marinez had been in much longer fights, had

675
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: a little bit more experience in that way, and it showed.

676
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: It showed BC. I am shocked at this result. First

677
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: of all, how do you score and what do you

678
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: make of what happened?

679
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: I head at eight to four from Marinez. I thought

680
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: nine to three would have even been acceptable. I know

681
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: our guy Steve Farhood on the Showtime broadcast had at

682
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: one seventeen one to eleven. I thought that was a

683
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: fair score. The same way here, look, here's the brief

684
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: defense I'll give of the judges. All right, two of

685
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: the three of those guys, Dontrella, Glenn Felden from Connecticut,

686
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: known them a long time. They're two of the most

687
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: respected judges in the game. The fact that it was

688
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: unanimous does sort of tell you one thing. Maybe there

689
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: were elements of it that we missed. Look, they're in

690
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: that empty arena, whereas we found out from the UFC fights,

691
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: in the empty arenas, you hear the impact of the

692
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: punch is much more so. Even though it seemed from

693
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: our eyes that Orlando Romero was clearly outboxed and outclassed

694
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: in some ways, you know, there's always the value that

695
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: the fewer amount of punches he's landed may have had

696
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: such a triggering effect ringside that they would score that more.

697
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: But that's that's the last defense I'll sort of give them,

698
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: because it seemed like everyone watching that that could see

699
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: that this was a test to find out, really how

700
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: good is Rothly Ramero eleven twelve fights into his career,

701
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: and I think what we learned in the end was

702
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: he's still aggressive, he still got pop, but he needs

703
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: to figure out some of these wrinkles. He needs this

704
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: type of experience, these tough fights of somebody who can

705
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: stretch him out and can, you know, make him work.

706
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: And I thought he was following Marinaz the whole fight

707
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: and always seemingly a step behind. This was a breakout

708
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: boxing performance for a young fighter and Jackson Mourinez, who

709
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: hadn't really gotten his close up yet, and instead it's

710
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: one of those sort of wan womb hashtag that's boxing

711
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: moments where the younger, brighter fighter with the bigger following

712
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: and maybe the you know, quote unquote money guy a

713
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: side gets the decision that most people don't think he deserved.

714
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: You hate that in boxing because too often that becomes

715
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: a regular thing in boxing where we don't even get

716
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: mad at it because we're so used to seeing it.

717
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see it through the judge's eyes. Yes,

718
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: this was an ugly fight in the second half, but

719
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: I can watch that two three more times and I

720
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: feel like I'm gonna tell you Jackson Marinez was was

721
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: the better, slicker boxer, landed much more punches on the

722
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: CompuBox side, and just look like he controlled that ring

723
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: for the twelve rounds. This isn't a death sentence for Romero.

724
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: Obviously comes out with a win, but he does have

725
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: to add more wrinkles and get more experience on this level.

726
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: I want to make a point here, and if I

727
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: had not seen the study, I would be like everyone else,

728
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: and I heard Steve Farho would say the same thing

729
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: that you just said, which is you know, some of

730
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: these guys, I forget which judge that it was, had

731
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: judged a thousand boxing fights. Let me tell you how

732
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: little I care about that. Major League Baseball did a

733
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: study recently, and what they did was they looked at

734
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: their umpiring crews and they tried to evaluate, in terms

735
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: of balls and strikes or various other calls that they

736
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: could make depending on their position, first and third baseline whatever,

737
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: how good they were. Do you know which group ended

738
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: up being and performing the worst. The answer is the

739
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: group that had been there the longest. It turned out

740
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: that if you had twenty plus years or more of

741
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: experience at the major league level, not twenty years umpiring,

742
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: twenty years as a major league umpire, they were by

743
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: far are the worst performers in terms of accurately identifying

744
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: and being consistent with a strike zone among various other calls.

745
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: It turned out that the most competent group were not

746
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: the newest, because they made errors as well, but it

747
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: was somewhere in that five to ten year range when

748
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: they had enough experience on the job to begin to

749
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: get through most of those errors that happen up front.

750
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: That is the sweet spot. Let me tell you something.

751
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that there is any solution to this

752
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: because we know the reality with boxing Commission, circle the wagons.

753
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure these judges are nice people. I don't think

754
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: that they're bad people. Don't misunderstand me. But this idea

755
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: that because they have tenure that they deserve reverence, you

756
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: need to throw that out the window. Because they have tenure,

757
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: they have overstayed their welcome. That study from Major League

758
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: Baseball was absolutely eye opening for me. If there is

759
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: not ongoing competency tests, and that does not come from

760
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: judging fights, it comes independent of that. If there is

761
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: not ongoing competency test, I do not care about the

762
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: argument that judges have been there a long time and

763
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: therefore deserve our reverence. Either you can do the job

764
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: effectively or you can't. And one eighteen to one ten

765
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: for Romero is unbridled, matter of fact incompetence, and if

766
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: it's not reviewed, shame on everybody in that commission and

767
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: involved for not doing more about it. You took something

768
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: from Jackson Maarinez, a guy who has never had that

769
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: many uh you know, uh, the wind has never been

770
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: his back in life for the most part, and he

771
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: finally had a great opportunity to show something and you

772
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: stole it from him. You should be ashamed of yourselves

773
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: and you should do something about it. It makes me sick.

774
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Wow, look at this guy, Teddy Alis, Luke

775
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: Thomas Over. I love it. I just can't look at you.

776
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: It's just so ridiculous that we just while these guys

777
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: are nice guys and they've been there a long time,

778
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: so what so what they can't do the job anymore,

779
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: doesn't that matter?

780
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: These are people's lives right here. WoT. I haven't slight

781
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: respect you. You nailed it. I did want to say this.

782
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: I think the other two judges were almost ruined by

783
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: the egregiousness of I think it was Frank Lombardi who

784
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: had that ten rounds to two for Roly Romero. That

785
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: gives the impression of impropriety. It gives the impression that

786
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: it was written down before the fight even started. It

787
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: reminds you of you know, CJ. Ross scoring Mayweather Canelo,

788
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: even for Canelo, you know, I mean, it's the same

789
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: thing in Glovekin Canelo one, which which we remember it

790
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: as Triple G getting screwed. Yet the reality is I

791
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: thought triple g one, but it was it was a

792
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: close fight, and had all three of these judges, Luke

793
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: had it seven to five for Romero. We could have

794
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: sat here and talked about the difference between sitting ring

795
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: side without social media, without a crowd and all that.

796
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: But when you have the shit of one eighteen one ten,

797
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: it smells and everybody else smells for it, and give it.

798
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It screams, you know, impropriety, and I hate that.

799
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: I hate that.

800
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: I just I just don't want to hear this argument

801
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: anymore that they've been there a long time and therefore

802
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: we should gen reflect. No, you've been there a long time.

803
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: Prove you can still drive behind the wheel of the

804
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: automobile Grandpa. It's more along the lines of that last

805
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: thing auto Voaleen getting a win over Travis Kaufman, who

806
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: injured his shoulder on a hook still BC Volleen was

807
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: just too good for too long. It ended an unfortunate circumstance. Obviously,

808
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I hope kaufman shoulder is okay, But he was to me,

809
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: never really in this fight.

810
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: No, No, he wasn't. And Kaufman retired afterwards and said beforehand, look,

811
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: he's been in this game a long time. His dad's

812
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: a promoter and trainer and all that. If he couldn't

813
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: win this and he lost twice in a row for

814
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: the first time, he would retire. It seemed like the

815
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: right move. Voleen did show you what he had to

816
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: coming in Luke. I thought was that he is a

817
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: top ten, legitimate title threat havevyweight again. We're never gonna

818
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: know until he gets in there again against the very

819
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: elite whether that one night against Fury was the best

820
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: he could be or just a tease in terms of

821
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: how good he can do. But when you're six foot

822
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: five and a half, you're a southpaw, you've got speed,

823
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: and you have an understanding of footwork and basic boxing.

824
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: You know, at his technical core, this guy's a player.

825
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: And I love again the mean streak he showed against

826
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury. I thought he did what he had to

827
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: do in this one, and there's nothing bad he can

828
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: say about it.

829
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: All right, So let's move on back to UFC two

830
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: fifty two. We talked about the main and the Comaine,

831
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: but what about the feature fight BC Junior Dos Santos

832
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Losing three in a row, and not just three in

833
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: a row, all three by way of stoppage. At this

834
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: point he looks physically to be in phenomenal shape, but

835
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: this is sort of a bad run. Gireseni rosenstrike stopping

836
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: him again. I believe it was the second round of

837
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: memory serves, but either way he gets his hand raised

838
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: by putting his lights out. Here's the question for UBC.

839
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Should JDS retire?

840
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: Uh No, And that's tough to say after three straight knockouts,

841
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: but I think here's what JDS is showing us. He's

842
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: thirty six. Here's what this version of him has become.

843
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: And it's not a not against him, but he's become

844
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: a gatekeeper because he has the ability to beat you.

845
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: He's got the experience, he can still box, He's in

846
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: tremendous shape, and for a round and a half beating rosenstroke,

847
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: he was doing what we said coming in he would

848
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: have to do to have a chance to win this.

849
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: But he got caught. And I think this shows you

850
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: that against the very elite who have big power, he

851
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have the chin anymore to hold up against them.

852
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: He's more of now a B level fighter who can

853
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: beat the guys coming up, can beat the retreads and

854
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: all that. If he wants to continue fighting. I don't

855
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: think even with three consecutive knockouts that he's yet a

856
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: full liability to his long term health. I mean, look,

857
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: obviously you got to watch it close for any fighter

858
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: in the heavyweight division, especially at this age when you

859
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: have losses piling up. But should he continue, Luke, there's

860
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people he can still be. I just

861
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: think this is a special fighter in Rosenstick from the

862
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: standpoint of he has that outpitch. He has that you know,

863
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: that go home punch when he needs to. He didn't

864
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: show us enough yet to prove that he will ever

865
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: one day end up being a legitimate title contender. There's

866
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: a lot of raw there, but Biggie Boy did what

867
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: he had to do to keep his brand strong and

868
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: to move forward and not suffer a second straight defeat.

869
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: It was kind of like natural selection, Luke. You know,

870
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: the younger, hungry lion one out in this case. But

871
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't need JDS to run for the hills yet.

872
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: That's not actually what natural selection means. But still, your

873
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: point is well taken. Let me just say something here,

874
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh Marta, I always get pissed off when people say

875
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: things like you can never tell another man to retire. Well,

876
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: of course I can't. I can't get on my stupid

877
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: ass Samsung phone here call up JDS and be like, hey,

878
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: it's time to retire. He like, I'm his mom, and

879
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I can just tell him, you know, put on your

880
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: goloshes to get out in the rain before you head

881
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: off to school. He doesn't give a shit what I

882
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: have to say. So fine, But the reality is when

883
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: someone is beginning to get to a stage in their

884
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: career where that question even pops up and you feel

885
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: like you're trying to answer it honestly, then answer it honestly. Now,

886
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: should he retire? I don't know that he has to

887
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: right away. I don't think it's that kind of level

888
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: of urgency. Is it's something he needs to start thinking about. Yes,

889
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: of course it is. Of course it is. Dude, you're

890
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: thirty six years old, you've lost in a row, You've

891
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: taken a hillacious amount of damage. Not so much in

892
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: the last three, which were knockout blows. Those were more

893
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: like emblematic of the damage that was done, although of

894
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: course they add to it on their own to be

895
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: quite clear. But yes, he needs to begin to think

896
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: about you're on the wrong side of thirty close to forty.

897
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: You are not able to I mean the other part is,

898
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: in addition to the punishment he has taken and where

899
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: he is, it's a question of what Robert Griffin used

900
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: to say, although he sucked as a player after he

901
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: got his knees blown out, which was know you're why,

902
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: like why are you here? If you are doing the

903
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Rich Franklin thing is which I just still like to compete.

904
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: I still think I can find ways to win against

905
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: interesting matchups. I want to keep doing that until I can't. Okay,

906
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable path. But if the idea

907
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: is they're gonna come out in interviews and say I'm

908
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna find my way back to the title, you know

909
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: you're asking for more heartache. You were asking for punishment.

910
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: You were asking for fights that are probably, you know,

911
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: not really winnable at this stage. And when I say

912
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: not winnable, I mean they could come with some serious consequences.

913
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: On the other end, I think if that's what you're

914
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: in this for, then there are there really are some

915
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: questions you have to start asking yourself. It doesn't mean

916
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: he didn't have a great career. It doesn't mean people

917
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: don't like him or shouldn't like him. It doesn't mean

918
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: he didn't have incredible highs. He had all of those things.

919
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: None of this takes any of that away. Just dude.

920
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: The end comes for every athlete in every sport every time.

921
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: It is an inevitability that you all have to face it.

922
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the walls have closed in yet. I

923
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: don't think that's true, but they are fast approaching, and

924
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: it is worth at least thinking about an exit plan

925
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: because the idea that you're going to be a title

926
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: contender again, I think is just not realistic. And rearranging

927
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: your goals and your priorities around a different purpose. I

928
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: do think that's doable, but that's what needs to happen. Yeah,

929
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: last I'll say go ahead, No, no, Luke, you go ahead. Okay, Well,

930
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say about Rosenstrike. You know, it

931
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: was interesting about him. At first I was like, Eh,

932
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: this is not the performance we really want to see,

933
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: and then he made the adjustment really corner JDS and

934
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: get in his face, which is exactly how steep A

935
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: beat him in their rematch, And once he did, he

936
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: closed the show like that. We talked about it last week.

937
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: Who was he going to show us to be the

938
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: guys who you know, can beat the junior albinies or

939
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: can you beat somebody a little bit more forceful. Well

940
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: it's the latter, solid win by him.

941
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and shout out to the mustache on JDS.

942
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: And you mentioned that, you know, all things must must finish,

943
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: come to an end. Luke, what are the parameters that

944
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: would that would force you to shave the beard? I

945
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: am interested, I know, be like, oh, bec stups slowing

946
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: us down, Jason, my ear like, what would it take?

947
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Would it take some giant mountaintop career success for you

948
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: to say I'll trim it or I'll shave it, or

949
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: I mean, would it take a death in your family?

950
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: Not that I'm wishing that on you. When will we

951
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: ever see you not clean shaven? But you know a

952
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: little bit thicker than this, Luke.

953
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: It would take gender reassignment surgery.

954
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: So don't wait up, wow, wow, Okay, all right, I

955
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: really don't know how to follow that. Well done, We'll

956
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: move on.

957
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: All right. So with that in my let's go to

958
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: our fifth and final point here for the Rundown, which

959
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: is a weekend preview. So we got a lot going

960
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: on BC. Let's see, We've got a UFC show, We've

961
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: got a Bellator show, and we've got some boxing. Let's

962
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: start with UFC. Please go first to you, BC. What

963
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: is the major storyline heading into the bansamweight clash between

964
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: former lightweight champion Frankie Edgar and Pedro Munos.

965
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a major one. It's an

966
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: interesting fight. We want to see how Frankie looks against

967
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: somebody who's you know, fairly damn elite in Pedro Muno's

968
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: moving down to bantamweight. It's at a precarious spot in

969
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: Frankie's career in which you know he's old, it's toward

970
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: the end. Yet you know in pockets he's still really

971
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: good and still good enough. Can he trim this weight

972
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: like although did and still you know, have a motor

973
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: and be at that level. It'd be a big win,

974
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: by the way, if you beat Frankie or if you

975
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: beat Munos here, So I'm interesting seeing that. I think

976
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: it would be an exciting fight. I don't necessarily think

977
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: either one, you know, catapults too far because of how

978
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: loaded this division is. In the top five at the moment.

979
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, My sense is the UFC is looking at this

980
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, is Frankie a guy we

981
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: can reasonably put in a title picture with enough wins

982
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: because he could then raise the profile of these other

983
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: bantamweight figures who need a little bit of like the

984
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: old celebrity of the Old Guard to come down wash

985
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: over them. They get the wins eventually, not every time,

986
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: but eventually anyway, and then everybody moves on. Okay, that

987
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: could be a thing. Or is Pedro Muno is one

988
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: of these guys that's going to join the ranks of

989
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: the Marises and the san Haagens and eventually maybe even

990
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the Sterlings. We'll have to see. It's principally about that

991
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: which guy is not merely coming or going? But do

992
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: we have this ability to rely on Frankie to be

993
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: a top contender that we can put in against other guys.

994
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: Remember they had initially booked Edgar against sand Hagen for

995
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: that North Carolina card, and then they lost it all

996
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: for Edgar going and taking on the Korean zombie at

997
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: up a weight class in a very misbegotten quest to

998
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: reclaim glory at one hundred and forty five pounds so

999
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: they're trying to see do we still have any of

1000
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: that left? At one hundred and thirty five, Pedro Munos

1001
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: is a pretty decent and test, I think to start Belatore,

1002
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1003
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, if I if I told you one

1004
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: of these two fighters will somehow get one more title

1005
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: shot before their career is done. Are you taking Frankie

1006
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: Edgar or Holly Holm?

1007
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That's a really good question.

1008
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: Like a Manda I was gonna say, couldn't you see

1009
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: Amanda maybe giving up the bandam weight title because that

1010
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: division is a little bit deeper, defending the featherweight title

1011
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 2: once a year, being a mom doing what she wants

1012
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: to do, and then you go, you know, whoever vacant

1013
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: title at thirty five, Oh, Holly Holm, here's your ninth

1014
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: title opportunity.

1015
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: To go for. Yeah. I can see it for her

1016
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more clearly, but time will tell. All right,

1017
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 1: Bellatore two forty five, Ryan batter up against the Deem

1018
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Nemkov there BC. I gotta tell you, I find this

1019
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: to be a very legitimate threat to Ryan Bader. It's

1020
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: a very good cau.

1021
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm straight up, I'm not that woke so tell me

1022
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: the store here.

1023
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Let's see, he got a close fight, but a win

1024
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: over Phil Davis. So this idea that he's gonna get

1025
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: wrestle f the entire time could be true because Ryan

1026
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Bader certainly is a bit of a slightly different style

1027
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 1: wrestler than Phil Davis. Field is a little bit little

1028
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: bit more. He is a good takedown because I was

1029
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: also a bit of a Matt wrestler. I think someone

1030
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: like Ryan Bater a little bit more of the ground

1031
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: and pound sort of risk control variety. So there are

1032
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: some noteworthy differences between them. And he's a bigger person

1033
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: as well than Phil Davis. But he is a combatsemble

1034
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: world champion I think a couple times over, and had

1035
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: a bit of a slow start in certain ways in

1036
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: bell Tour, but has really shined of late. I find

1037
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: him to be one of these sort of guys that

1038
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: no one really knows like. I remember when he beat

1039
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: Phil Davis. I was looking at the results that I

1040
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: was like, he beat Phil Davis, how's that possible? Well,

1041
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: because he's actually quite talented. He's beating a lot of

1042
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: other guys in that light heavyweight division as well. So listen,

1043
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Baterter is your deserved favorite. I mean,

1044
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: the guy just went through the heavyweight tournament and barely

1045
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: had a scratch on him. Still, this is probably his

1046
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: toughest fight ever in Bellatore. O. I guess, I guess

1047
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: he had the Phil Davis fight in the first fight

1048
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: in Bellator right at.

1049
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: The MSG that was that was a rough fight.

1050
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't that fun, But in terms of like

1051
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: how difficult it was to win, dude, Nemkov is a beast.

1052
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: He can strike his ass off, he is aggressive, He

1053
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: has very good defensive, well rounded abilities. He is a serious,

1054
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: serious challenge for Ryan Bader.

1055
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: I love the evolution of Bater's boxing. I love uh

1056
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: sort of that it took this long look for him

1057
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: to figure out the confidence in the the more well

1058
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: rounded game to be at his very best. But I

1059
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: do want to ask you this, where would he be

1060
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: right now in a worldwide ranking at both two o

1061
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 2: five and heavyweight? In your eyes?

1062
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: You mean, like, had he not gone to Bellator.

1063
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: With with the evolution of his game that we've seen

1064
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: at belatore and the wins that hero he added, do

1065
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: you think he's a top five heavyweight in the world,

1066
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: And do how far down the two of five rankings

1067
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: would you.

1068
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Put him, so you'd have stepe A, Francis d C,

1069
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: and then who would you have after that DC retired

1070
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: d D. So then do you think he's on the bubble? Yeah,

1071
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: he's on the bubble, sure, Curtis Blades, Yeah he's up there,

1072
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's top five. He's on

1073
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: the bubble for shore at light heavyweight though light heavyweights

1074
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: where It's interesting because I think if he had stayed

1075
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: in the UFC, he'd have he'd have found another way

1076
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: to get a title shot. He just happened to be

1077
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: there at the same time a John was and be

1078
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: there are still some of those glory ear names like

1079
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: the Machieta when Macheta was still really really good, and

1080
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: so he got kind of caught at a bad time.

1081
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: But if he was still there, I think he'd be right.

1082
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: I think you'd be watching Jones Bader two for sure.

1083
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: All right, what about Bader? Reyis head to head right now,

1084
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: two of five? Who wins? That's a tough You could

1085
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: make a case. You could make a case for Darth

1086
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: Bader here.

1087
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: You could. Bader has certainly benefited by the move to

1088
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Beltour for a number of ways. But to the point

1089
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: you're making, he has still managed to add layers of

1090
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: complexity to his game, to rough up some of the

1091
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: old edges that were there, smooth things out the boxing

1092
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: and the jab. He's not reliant on takedowns. He's got

1093
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: a full array of a kickboxing arsenal two when he needs,

1094
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: at least for MMA purposes. He has become quite talented,

1095
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: and so when he needs to wrestle, he can, and

1096
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: when he doesn't, he won't have to. I think Nemkov

1097
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: is interesting because he's gonna He's gonna make us see

1098
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: what are Ryan Bater's offensive priorities, because Nemkov can do

1099
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: it all as well. Fair enough, fair enough, and then

1100
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: last but not least, take us home on this one.

1101
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: BC for the weekend, Matchroom Boxing has about at heavyweight

1102
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: and this is interesting, right Dillon and White taken on Pavetkin.

1103
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Size these two up for the audience and what does

1104
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: the winner reasonably get here?

1105
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: This is a big fight. Look of the four Eddie

1106
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: hern Garden Party fight Camp fights, whatever he's calling him,

1107
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: this is the most loaded card. It's gonna be a

1108
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: pay per view. Brittain dez Owne just recently officially picked

1109
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: it up for this weekend. So here's what's at stake.

1110
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: Dillion White is your interim WBC heavyweight champion. What that

1111
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: basically means is he's the number one contender for Tyson Fury,

1112
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: who's going to get Deontay Wilder're a third time coming up,

1113
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: and the winner of this will basically secure themselves a

1114
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: title shot. And look, Pavetkin has been to the top before.

1115
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: He's lingered the last couple of years as a dangerous

1116
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: out got stopped by Anthony Joshua despite looking good at

1117
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: certain moments, has had some look he came after of

1118
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: Vladimir Klitschko in that loss before getting stopped. This is

1119
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: really his last chance at forty forty one to get

1120
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: back into that picture or to fade away. He's going

1121
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: to be dangerous and people have slept on how good

1122
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: Dillion White is. We all remember him pushing Aj in

1123
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: that early fight they had in which he heard AJ

1124
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: wobble dom and then Joshua rallied back to stop him.

1125
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: He's won something like eleven fights since then, Luke, and

1126
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: he's beaten some very credible names. Derek Jazora Trice, former

1127
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: champion Robert Parker. So he is in an excellent spot

1128
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: right now to force himself into this, you know, three

1129
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: headed triumvirent of Joshua Fury and Deontay Wilder in the moment,

1130
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: and this fight is certainly high stakes because we all

1131
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: want to see a Fury if he beats Deontay go

1132
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: on to this giant super fight against AJ. But we

1133
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: know both have business at hand, some mandatories coming up,

1134
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: and whoever comes out of this fight, it's gonna be

1135
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: a tough out for Tyson Furi. It's gonna be a

1136
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 2: fun fight to see.

1137
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: B see how much blood is in Dillion White's steroid stream?

1138
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Oh, how Darrey, how dare you? How dare you? This

1139
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: is gonna be a good fight. Look, I hope you

1140
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: watch it, and more importantly, I hope you watch what

1141
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: could be the fight of the weekend, the co main event.

1142
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: Do you remember on that aj Andy Ruiz under Carton

1143
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden when Katie Taylor, the fighting Pride of Ireland,

1144
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: had that absolute brawl ten rounds, all action against that

1145
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: Belgian policewoman whatever, Delphine Pursuon who squares up, walks straight

1146
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: into oncoming traffic and just throws Haymakers the whole time

1147
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: and basically turns a regular boxing match into like a

1148
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: cock fight. If you will, They're gonna do it a

1149
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: second time on Saturday. I'm fired that up. Look, I

1150
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: thought that was one of the top three fights of

1151
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: the year in boxing last year.

1152
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Should be interesting, all right? Those are our top five.

1153
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: I have another job and we have shit to do,

1154
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: all right, So with that in mind, it is time

1155
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: now on the show where you get to ask us questions.

1156
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: It is time for dms from dons. And I think

1157
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I kicked my camera out of position a little bit here,

1158
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: which is why you see a little bit on the

1159
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: more in the one side. Now, I gotta fix it,

1160
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: all right.

1161
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: You should hire a tech manager. I know a guide.

1162
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: Jack kicked it, Yeah, Jays, tell me I kicked it.

1163
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, all right? From at V Underscore R

1164
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: Underscore B eighty six. How iconic is Stepe's walkout at

1165
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: this point we know that someone is about to get

1166
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: fed up when that MGK music hits. Are you kidding?

1167
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't hate that walk out more? I mean, I

1168
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: like step A. The idea that we live in an

1169
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: age where Machine Gun Kelly is cool is the saddest

1170
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: shit ever. It's the perfect encapsulate of twenty twenty. He

1171
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: can't wrap. He's turned into a Netflix actor. He's actually

1172
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: not bad as an actor. I'll give him some credit.

1173
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: He's pretty good, you know, the kind of you know

1174
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: things he's in. He did Tommy Lee and that you

1175
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: know that Motley Crue think him a jig, But no,

1176
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate that walkout and I now judge this

1177
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: person for having shit taste in music.

1178
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: I don't mind that walkout. I think I think it

1179
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: adds to the cool factor that Stepe is kind of

1180
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: lacking all And by the way, I'm gonna give step

1181
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: a credit more credit here. Did you see him in

1182
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: the post fight press conference? He he's always had sort

1183
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: of like corny dadish jokes, you know, a man after

1184
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: my own heart. But I thought he was hilarious and

1185
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: sort of the way he looks at it like he's

1186
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: just an unemotional dude who works really hard and as

1187
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: great as his job. He doesn't overly gloat when he wins,

1188
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't complain overly when he you know, when he loses,

1189
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: and he just kind of goes out there's like, yeah, whatever,

1190
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: and you know that's hurt him marketing wise, but I

1191
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: think over time it's endeared him to us. Luke, all right,

1192
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm giving the man the respect he deserves.

1193
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Finally, I'll just say this. I know Stepe and MGK

1194
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: are like buds or whatever. It just is amazing to

1195
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: me that Bone Thugs and Harmony are from Cleveland, and

1196
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: no one that I know from Cleveland as a fighter

1197
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: has ever walked out to East nineteen ninety nine, which

1198
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: to me is maybe one of the hardest sort of

1199
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: nineties gangster rap songs ever ever. I mean, it's hard

1200
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: to top how awesome and no pun intended, bone chilling

1201
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: that song is. And no one ever walks and it

1202
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: stands a test of time at least in terms of

1203
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: like sort of sonically. And they don't walk out to

1204
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: they walk out to this. You know, absolute Zilch, who

1205
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: the more talented Paul brother of the three is basically

1206
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: how I look at him.

1207
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the FBI to raid your house

1208
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: one day.

1209
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: Okay, all right? From at eight heavy limbs, What would

1210
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: it take for the UFC to adopt a new glove

1211
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: before a maiming injury occurs. But see if you think

1212
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: about this and all the problems that UFC has to

1213
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: deal with in terms of injuries and whatnot. And they

1214
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: build the Performance Institute, and they work on weight cutting,

1215
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: and they who knows, eventually they might at a one

1216
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: sixty five pound weight class to make things easier, and

1217
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: they really put a lot into health and safety. Do

1218
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: you mean to tell me that in terms of glove

1219
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: innovation and rule enforcement? Which is not the UFC's cause

1220
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: per se, But you know, on the commission side still,

1221
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: at least in terms of glove innovation, Am I supposed

1222
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: to believe that we have reached the apex? That this

1223
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: is no pun intended This is the end of innovation.

1224
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: There is no other mechanism possible by which to fix

1225
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: this problem. It seems insane to me.

1226
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of us are woke to you know what,

1227
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: Coach Trevor Whitman has created those gloves. He showed them

1228
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 2: off on the Rogan Pod. Rashad Evans is always telling

1229
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: me great things about them. That it's more pride like,

1230
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: it's sort of your hand as Ben, It's gonna eliminate

1231
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: a lot more ipokes. What did Trevor tell Joe that

1232
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: they brought that technology to UFC, but UFC is too

1233
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: deep into a current deal with its current glove makers,

1234
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know it was something like that where

1235
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: they wanted Trevor to sell the you know, the science

1236
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: behind it. He wanted to keep it for himself. But

1237
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: either way, yes, it'd be smart to eliminate that because look,

1238
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: it's just a shitty way for things to get affected.

1239
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 2: And I know that's coming off of me saying sorry,

1240
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: Daniel can't complain as karma. Well, it also sucks. At

1241
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: the same time, if we could remove that the best

1242
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: we can from a possibility. I know you have to

1243
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 2: give consideration, Luke, for how much the grip would change

1244
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: the grappling game. Can you speak to that at all?

1245
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: I have to see how the gloves fit, But I

1246
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: mean the question is also important here the way it's worded.

1247
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Before a maiming, hopefully DC makes a full recovery, and

1248
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: I guess with surgical intervention, the eye sight of Stepe

1249
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: is okay. But it's like, dude, eventually someone's just gonna

1250
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: get straight up blinded. They're just gonna either lose the

1251
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: eye or whatever, and it's gonna be because we had

1252
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: a deal where we couldn't innovate for the I mean,

1253
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: which is it we care about the health and safety

1254
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: of fighters or we don't. Clearly, I poking is a problem.

1255
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: It's a reality of reaching in the way which we

1256
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: have it. There's gotta be more that we can do.

1257
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if pride gloves or some other kind

1258
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: of nicole innovation that exists is the answer. Trevor Whitman's

1259
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: or not. Probably worth some experimentation on this because what

1260
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: we have now is woefully inadequate.

1261
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we don't want to see more. Michael

1262
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: Bisping's out there. By the way, Do you see that

1263
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: runaway eye on that girl that beat the crap out

1264
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: of Felice herrig?

1265
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: She'll scary Genderoba. I knew you were going to say

1266
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: something about her eye to the side. All right.

1267
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: I woke up with a nightmare that I was looking

1268
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: at me last night. It was crazy.

1269
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: Which one I can never know what tell whichion one

1270
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: is the one that you have to look at? But

1271
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: all right, at m Porter four forty, I keep hearing

1272
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: people say the much improved Francis Inganu, what has he

1273
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: done since the steepe fight that makes you believe he

1274
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: has improved BC, that's a fair quy, a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: Whims this much improvement. He's just been knocking fools out

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Speaker 2: in even quicker fashion, at a higher level than he

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: did in his initial rise. So yes, Unfortunately, his power

1278
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: is so strong that we never got to see kan

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00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: Velaskis take him down, never got to see any of

1280
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: these guys force him to sh show us that he's

1281
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: not at the remedial level. He was on the ground

1282
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: against Steepey and oh, by the way, since I'm here

1283
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: today giving all Stepey the credit he deserves that I've

1284
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: been holding back through the years. Look, he did walk

1285
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Speaker 2: through hell in that opening round and kept coming against Francis,

1286
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: So I think we have to assume that based on

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Speaker 2: the one to eighty he did confidence wise, because that

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01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: lost to steepe mixed with that weird fight with Derek Lewis,

1289
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: mixed with Dana crapping on him, you know, in public,

1290
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Speaker 2: it seemed to sort of, you know, hurt the invincibility

1291
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Speaker 2: of him, and he had to work through that, and

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: I think that it's telling us that he's as explosive

1293
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: and confident as ever. But no, we really don't know

1294
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: until he's in there against an elite fighter and forced

1295
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Speaker 2: to show it to us whether he has that, And

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01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: I think, Luke, the fact that we don't know that

1297
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: continues to play into the entertainment factor, because you know,

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01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: if somebody like only Stepe has proven he can can

1299
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: negate those wild punches and make it a different kind

1300
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: of fight, then we're gonna find out what he's made of.

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: And until somebody can, you know, it's part of the

1302
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: it's part of the calling card of all of his fights,

1303
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: to see that happen.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. I mean, I hear from his trainer,

1305
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: Eric Nick Sick about all the things they've worked on

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: in the improvements. I'm sure on some level he is better,

1307
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe exactly as much as he tells me. But you

1308
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: got to show it. You got to show it, and

1309
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: we haven't seen it, and so until then it I

1310
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: think people being like, oh, he's definitely improved. It's not

1311
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 1: that that's wrong, but it's not right. It just remains undetermined.

1312
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: We need to see it determined. I think Steve a

1313
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: would be a good test of that. Maybe, well, he's

1314
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: already fucked Curtis Blade, so I guess John Jones will

1315
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: be the other good one, all right? From at og

1316
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: underscore Awk, what is the MK over under on Paulo

1317
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: Costa making weight for his middle weight title bout with Izzy.

1318
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the OVERBC.

1319
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: You Yeah, he'll make it. This is the biggest fight

1320
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: of his life. He'll make it.

1321
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a weird question. I mean, I know he's huge,

1322
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: but he makes the weight. You know, he might as

1323
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: well have.

1324
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: A Romero like history of missing it for important.

1325
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: Fights exactly, all right. And then the last, but not least,

1326
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: from Ann vic Veri vaugh and Billy Madison or Vicky

1327
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: Valancourt in they come on, See you can probably have

1328
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: these ones committed some memory. I'm gonna have to look

1329
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: them up here.

1330
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you that Veronica Vaughn is one

1331
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: piece of ash and I would know from experience. Dude, No,

1332
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: you wouldn't. It's not all you know. Her and a

1333
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: friend of mine, the two of them got it, all right,

1334
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 2: Enough of that craft. It's Veronica von all day. She's

1335
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: Pete Sanfrance's wife. She was once by the bell as

1336
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: an extra. She's smoking hot. Vicky Valancourt is like a

1337
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, I mean she played the role of a

1338
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: dirtbag trailer park you know, uh witchcraft girlfriend, which she's

1339
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: played the role on many TV shows. And I'm sorry, Luke,

1340
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: this is not a debate.

1341
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: This is like, you know, yeah, no.

1342
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Kelly ko Pango, that was a there

1343
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: was a debate there, right, because some people, like you know, Louke,

1344
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: some people like different things. All right, band with Luke

1345
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: Savior Band.

1346
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: It's not the comment, the comment that I want to

1347
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: make right now is not appropriate for air. But the

1348
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: answer is quite obviously what's her face? Vicky Vaughan, Yes, sorry,

1349
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: Veronica vaugh I'm sorry, Veronica vaugh is the answer here,

1350
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: and it's not it's walking away at that point, all

1351
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: right BC. With that in mind, with that utterly ridiculous question,

1352
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: it's time for the utterly ridiculous portion of the show.

1353
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: Get so take it away.

1354
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, Please play the intro. Here's what we do.

1355
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: We scour the globe, the highs and lows, the good,

1356
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, and the in between and combat

1357
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: sports and and beyond. It's have you seen this shit? Special?

1358
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: Shout out to all the hyt HS stallwarts out there. Okay,

1359
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: the people that fill my constant DMS with potential videos,

1360
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: not realizing how many times we've played already the ones

1361
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: they send me. Some aren't just aren't fair for air,

1362
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: but we find the best, we distill them. Here we go,

1363
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: Luke the owne boxing over the weekend. Did you see

1364
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: it in the street corner of Tulsa Town? How about

1365
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: this blown call by referee Gary Ritter when unbeaten prospect

1366
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: Israel Madriov does a leaping left hook knockdown that probably

1367
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: would have finished Eric Walker and won the fight, Yet

1368
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: the ref gave Eric Walker five minutes to recover and

1369
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: ruled it a slip and a push. Check out the replay.

1370
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: This is a crazy punch.

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01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: Damn Well, you know what BC I mean, he's been

1372
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: reffing for so long. We just have to give him reverence,

1373
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1374
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: Wow, this age is bastard. Look, Thomas, this is great.

1375
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: All right, listen, Uh, the age is gonna clear. Here's

1376
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: the thing. It's gonna come for you and me too.

1377
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: But just not right now.

1378
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: Okay, my balls, my balls. Okay, Hey, so Israel Madriov

1379
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: got his I just butchered his name. Sorry, he got

1380
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: his knockout. Streak stopped, but he's still six and zero.

1381
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: And check out the celebration, Luke, this guy is coming.

1382
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: He's coming at Junior Middleway. He is uh, he's gonna

1383
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: be somebody. It's fun to watch him. And I liked

1384
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: what de Oonne did on the uh you know, downtown Tulsa.

1385
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: Right on the street. It's Todd Grisham Sergio more there

1386
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: looks like a look like a fun night.

1387
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you're stuck in Tulsa, Oklahoma. But otherwise

1388
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: it's great.

1389
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Besides that, right Omaha, somewhere in Middle America, let's

1390
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: roll on, Luke. This is from a week ago, but

1391
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: this is the real Fight Island out of Mexico. Check

1392
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: out Gail Heroes Mayesa sending Joel Warez to Hell in

1393
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: forty nine seconds of round one via TKO. Look, this

1394
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 2: is what the bill of goods they sold us, what

1395
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: Fight Island was supposed to be. I love it.

1396
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: Are they on an island or just the beach?

1397
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: They're just on that. They're right in there to the

1398
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 2: beach boy, right down in Mexico. It's perfect.

1399
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: I hear the beaches in Mexico like Tuloom are really nice.

1400
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, you got any comments? Could UFC

1401
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: have pulled this off? Now?

1402
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it's just a bunch of donks, you know,

1403
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: terrible fight. I don't really care.

1404
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: I have to imagine there's a bar like right off

1405
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: stage left that you could just kind of walk up

1406
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: to while you're watching the fights, right, you would, hope, right?

1407
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean what you're not you're not there to watch

1408
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: rate boxing.

1409
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the culture there. All right, let's

1410
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: move on. Hey, how about some spinny shit gone right?

1411
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: Check out this move from Islav vertaia sv I just

1412
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: butchered that. Oh my, this is one of the best

1413
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: spinny shits I have ever seen kickboxing.

1414
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: Wow that wow is amazing. I'm hold that.

1415
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: That's some Yeah, that's some mortal combat ish right there.

1416
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: That's incredible that it's similar to what Nate mark War

1417
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: did to Wilson Gouvea. You remember that one. I do

1418
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: remember that was pretty sab.

1419
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: Cross missed and then through the spinning back fist missed

1420
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: and then hit him with the head kick all in

1421
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: one go, kind of just like this.

1422
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that. Look, that's in contention. We show

1423
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: a lot of wild and crazy taekwondo KOs and sometimes

1424
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: we're like, you know, that may be the best I've

1425
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: ever seen. This is on that ballot, Luke, I mean

1426
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: you can't. I mean, this is ridiculous.

1427
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: That's nice. That's a nice side that one you put

1428
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: on the resume for sure.

1429
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that my she's dead? It's nice. All right, let's

1430
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: move on here. There's some decrepit fans who want to

1431
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: see more near deaths on this show. So check out

1432
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: this dog. This is a rally car race somewhere in

1433
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: uh I don't know, Europe, South America, but somebody get

1434
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: that dog out of the road. We got a live

1435
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: race going on right here, Luke, check this out.

1436
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: Jesus Wow, Wow, Yeah, dude. You don't realize how much

1437
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: of the world just lives with straight dog populations until

1438
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: you travel a bit and you're like, you'all just let

1439
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: them roam the streets. And they're like yeah, I'm like

1440
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: like pigeons. They're like yeah, I'm like, okay, I didn't

1441
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: realize that was a thing, but it's a thing.

1442
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: But Luke, is that like just blind luck? Right place,

1443
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: right time? With that jumper? Did he hit like the

1444
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: nitros button? Like my guy dom Toretto.

1445
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: See, you could make the argument that whatever hell hole

1446
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: this dog is living in probably hungry most of the time,

1447
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: that maybe getting run over was a euthanization and therefore

1448
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: a relief from the hell that is it's normal existence.

1449
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, I'd like to believe that this

1450
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: guy was both fast and serious on that bus.

1451
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Sweet the sweet, sweet embrace of death from this Uh.

1452
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: Let's move on here. Somebody tried to recreate this without

1453
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: a dog. Looks. Check out this athletic dude. He said,

1454
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: don't you drive your ATV at me?

1455
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, dude, I got ups for real.

1456
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Look like John Elway going for the

1457
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 2: first down in that second Super Bowl against the Uh.

1458
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the difference between this guy and AJ Green.

1459
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: AJ Green can stick the landing. Oh that is awesome.

1460
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Speaking of uh backflips, Luke, check out this

1461
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: TikTok video gone wrong. Look, when you try to pull

1462
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: off these, you know, dances that are all kind of

1463
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 2: choreographed and you think you're cool, you kind of deserve

1464
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: when this happens.

1465
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: Luke, Dude, these women who think I want to watch

1466
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:07,440
Speaker 1: them do skits and bits and dance on TikTok. You

1467
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: do not understand what your audience is looking for. Let

1468
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: me tell you that is the least Yeah, old, yeah,

1469
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: this is this is. This is much more interesting to

1470
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 1: me than any You know, I'm gonna get on TikTok

1471
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: and dance because I'm an eight out of ten. Yeah,

1472
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself.

1473
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: I think she might be you know, a spicy latino

1474
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: in your in your conversation though, so damn on her.

1475
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: Two m yeah not that spicy.

1476
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Hey, let's move on to female MMA

1477
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: from Sweden Brave CF thirty seven Bianca ant Man. This

1478
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: is her pro debut. Watch her send this chick to hell.

1479
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: Be ahead, kick glue.

1480
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: Nice stoppage too, by the way.

1481
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah that ref coming in there to make the tackle

1482
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: to save the save the first down. That is just

1483
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: it's stiff.

1484
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: Hands down bow.

1485
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes, Luke, we were a little bit late

1486
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: to the party on this. I I want to show it.

1487
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: Three weeks ago in the top rank bubble, are you

1488
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 2: aware of super middleweight prospect Edgar Berloga. He improved to

1489
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 2: fourteen and oh with his fourteenth first round KO here

1490
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: against Eric Moon. This is pretty impressive. Luke.

1491
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: Let's see, I'd not heard of him.

1492
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is the guy that David Benavitez came

1493
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 2: out this week and said, one of these days eventually

1494
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fighting Berloga. That's my one of my

1495
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: long term hopes. I mean, this guy, bang.

1496
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: He's a Puerto Rican guy.

1497
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't have that act that answer in front of

1498
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 2: me here, Luke, but what I look at, yeah, that

1499
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: does look Puerto Rico. I mean, you can't fourteen fourteen

1500
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: first round KOs. That's young Tyson level stuff right there. So, Luke,

1501
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: we have access to training footage from Edgar Berloga. This

1502
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: is how he built his power by warming up. Not

1503
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: on the bag, Luke, but on the buns.

1504
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: This is what this is what TikTok should be right here.

1505
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it keeps your focus right baby. Uh

1506
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, little in the middle of Luke, but she's

1507
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: got much back right.

1508
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: It's also like sort of a smelly heavy bag.

1509
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: Huh yeah. Wow Wow. The first thing I do is

1510
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: make a toss my salad.

1511
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1512
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's let's let's not shut the show

1513
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: down here, Luke. Maybe we should move on. Okay, Hey, I'm.

1514
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: You're the one who brought it up.

1515
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to shout out to Edgar Berlanga

1516
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: right there. We're gonna need you to score this high

1517
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: school dive here, Luke, degree of difficulty one point four?

1518
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: Can you be the judge here?

1519
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be so Greg Lugay this moment.

1520
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how is she doing. I don't know

1521
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: how you come back from that. I mean, yeah, I know.

1522
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: It's one of those sports you don't have to try out.

1523
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: They're just looking for members, right, But the.

1524
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: Best part about it is it's like a decent belly flop,

1525
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: but not even that great.

1526
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: Wow, things went wrong. Things went wrong for sure. All right. Hey,

1527
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 2: it's boat, says in Luke Rule number one in summertime

1528
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: boat saison. When you're drunk on the expensive yacht, do not,

1529
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: I repeat, do not lose your head, Luke, Bob.

1530
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: They tell you I went on one of those canal

1531
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: tours in Amsterdam and they tell you, yo, don't stand

1532
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: up in the boat. Fuck faces, because this will happen.

1533
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: By the way, not really not really a yacht, more

1534
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: like a very nice boat.

1535
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: Okay, did you visit the Red Light district when you

1536
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: were there, Luke, I did, yes, Wow, wow, okay, this

1537
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: is a this is an interesting public reveal here.

1538
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: All right, it's cool, but it's not what you think

1539
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: it is. It's very cool. But the only thing that

1540
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: was weird were.

1541
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: You were a voyeur. You weren't a customers.

1542
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no. Like the thing is that there's like

1543
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: it's a walkway and there's this neighborhood and they actually

1544
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: have red light on the street, I think, hence the name.

1545
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: The thing that was weird was they they have these

1546
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: they what do you want to call them whohouses or

1547
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, the women of the night homes something like that,

1548
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: and they.

1549
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 2: Stand in professionals. They're regulated by the government.

1550
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: There, so check this, yeah, home, but check this out.

1551
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: They stand in the window like it's a butcher shop

1552
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: or something or like, you know, they're selling their goods.

1553
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that you don't understand until you get there.

1554
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: When you walk by and you look because hello, they

1555
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: make eye contact with you and they keep it as

1556
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: you move. It's a little bit uh. If you're not

1557
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: prepared for it, it takes you out, you know, if you've

1558
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: had a few it is a little bit unnerving at first.

1559
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: I will tell you that.

1560
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: So did true or fallse? Did you get rock hard

1561
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: with emotion? Did you have a phoner?

1562
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: No? No, I was more like, you know, stupid American

1563
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: tourist than anything.

1564
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: Okay, were you with Missus Thomas on this track? I was, yeah, Okay, Wow,

1565
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 2: all right, you know, I guess that's how they do

1566
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: it at their house. Okay, Luke, let's roll on. It's

1567
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: parkour time. We always see these great videos of people

1568
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: backflipping off buildings. We never see the fails though, to

1569
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 2: check that out. Wow, come and get some of that brick,

1570
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: all right?

1571
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, this is how you know that the I

1572
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: realized Parker has a French name, and I'm probably totally

1573
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: watching the history. I don't know anything about park War

1574
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: other than the name and that it's this. But it's like,

1575
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: this is why the drinking a should be lowered in

1576
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 1: this country, because you've got a lot of bored teenagers

1577
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: that are just trying to pretend like they're superman and

1578
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 1: then they're losing teeth and shit, and it's like, maybe

1579
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: we could just like them have a beer.

1580
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: What happened to convincing somebody's older brother to get you

1581
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: a case? Of bush proper and going out into the woods. Right,

1582
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: what's wrong with that?

1583
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: Right? What happened? What I'm saying this guy, I think

1584
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:48,440
Speaker 1: he fucking.

1585
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: People are always like, we shouldn't tear down the trees

1586
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: and the forest because the wild animals have to, you know,

1587
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: repopulate and they don't know where to go. How about

1588
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: just keeping those trees in forest for the teenagers they

1589
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: can be out there and do their debauchery, not ending

1590
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: up like this kissing the pavement.

1591
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, this was you know, I mean, I mean,

1592
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy his misery. But at the same time, you know,

1593
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: this is why you go to like a tcby and

1594
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: some idiot kids smeared dog shit on your handle of

1595
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: your car because they're bored. They're just bored.

1596
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: All right, hey, let's move on here. You do have

1597
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: to be careful with parkour luke that yef around and

1598
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: end up not being able to father kids. Check out this.

1599
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: Genie talking hell oh boy, oh Jesus.

1600
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, press your luck here. Oh you got a whammy.

1601
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: He caught a whammy. Look he's gonna roll into traffic.

1602
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: Look you know what this is natural selection?

1603
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kids sort of is yes, Oh wow, okay.

1604
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: Just grabbing that and right him writhing in agony, wants

1605
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: me to makes me want to take my pants off.

1606
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we'll speaking of taking your pants off, let's

1607
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 2: check in on a buelo this week. It's Maga time

1608
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 2: and this speedo. Give me at one ten on this

1609
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 2: guy's swag level and lack of eleven out of ten.

1610
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: Look at this fat fuck he doesn't Oh yeah.

1611
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: What do you think he was drinking?

1612
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: You know, smearing off ice? Oh yeah, bush light?

1613
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: Look at this up to the just starts grinding. Yeah,

1614
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: look at that that security guards like touch touch her

1615
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: one time, touch her one time.

1616
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, there's a there's just a point in

1617
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: a dude's life like this where you just get so

1618
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: fat and so old you pack it in and not

1619
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: only do you not care, but you kind of like

1620
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: lean into it, you know.

1621
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, It's like the old guys in the locker

1622
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 2: room at uh at the gym, right, It's why they

1623
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: brush their teeth with their balls dragging on the floor.

1624
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 2: They just don't care. But I don't know. There's I

1625
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: don't care, and then there's I'm fat and I'm gonna

1626
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: wear a USA flag speedo in grind young women.

1627
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: That's well, you know, I've been I've been told by

1628
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: generations of folks now that all bodies are great bodies

1629
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: and that they all look the same. So I don't

1630
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: know about UBC. I look at this. I don't see

1631
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: a grotesque old man with a gut the size of Bermuda.

1632
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: I see a beautiful older man embracing the reality of

1633
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: aging in a healthy and you know, still sexually provocative way.

1634
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: Well, he could be judging fights, or calling strikes or

1635
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: doing this, so shout out to that old boomer. Hey,

1636
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: let's move on. It wasn't all old guy wins. This week.

1637
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: There was a fail. Check out this prank they pulled

1638
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: on this guy at the pool hall. They kept the

1639
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: door closed with the with the pool cues. He didn't

1640
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: like that, and I don't know why the video froze there,

1641
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: but he took a hard fall. In fact, he was hurting.

1642
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: He could not get up. Luke, that was yeah, all right, Well, hey,

1643
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: they don't always work. We try them, they don't always.

1644
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that on this one sucked?

1645
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: All right? Hey flashback to twenty ten though, No, wait,

1646
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: I got a joke for you. First you ever heard

1647
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: the joke about the guy who walked into the bar.

1648
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: Luke, I've seen this before in real life.

1649
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is great. It did flash me back to

1650
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: twenty ten when your guy justin Bieber during this club

1651
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 2: You remember that.

1652
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: One, Luke, yep, oh nice one.

1653
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is great. Beebes okay, bebes, Yeah they

1654
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: probably had that coming, probably did, Luke. I can't wait

1655
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: till your daughter grows up and it's just playing nothing

1656
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: but really gross cheap pop like this all over the house.

1657
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: How did this guy end up being popular? This? Fuck?

1658
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to uh remember that time that guy

1659
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: in the street was like all third world? You're asked,

1660
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: let's go to some third world boxing here, Luke, I

1661
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: don't know what what uh what country this is, but

1662
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: shout out to Kevin Ioli for putting it on our timeline. Look,

1663
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: this is a heated battle right now, and you do

1664
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: have to watch where you step though in a boxing ring. Okay,

1665
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta watch out for the trap door.

1666
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: Luke. You know what, I like traveling internationally, but even

1667
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: I recognize maybe it is a decent moment in time

1668
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: for my American passport to be worthless, as I wish

1669
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: to travel the world.

1670
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that happened.

1671
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: Very reminiscent. Maybe they bought this ring from vincetick Man

1672
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: and wwe can we advance the footage here? Very reminiscent

1673
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: of twenty eleven and the Big Show lifting the Undertaker up.

1674
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: I mean, come on right, I cannot believe you watch

1675
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: the stuff.

1676
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 2: I don't anymore.

1677
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: Luke, there is this supposed to be a big deal

1678
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: that he did this.

1679
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. What happens every once in a while.

1680
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: That's all I got for you. All right, let's let's

1681
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: hit the grand finale here.

1682
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: Luke.

1683
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 2: You're big on hygiene violation, so our hygiene violation of

1684
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: the week comes from a New York City subway. Luke,

1685
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: I know that you don't like the idea of going

1686
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: barefoot on a plane, but is it okay to trim

1687
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: the toenails out in public like this and just leave

1688
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: the scraps hang on?

1689
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is an amazing first of all

1690
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: subway creatures, is the account perfect number one, perfect number two.

1691
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: She's on the local because you can see the brick

1692
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: behind her, so she's not on the express. Meanings she's

1693
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: taking her sweet ass time. She somehow has a mask on,

1694
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: and yet not only is she clipping her nails BC,

1695
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: but they're attached to her keychain.

1696
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that means she does this all the time

1697
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: in public.

1698
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah you think this is the first time she's done this. Yeah.

1699
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: She got on the sixth of the Bronx and said,

1700
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm just going to wow bro that you

1701
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,919
Speaker 1: see things on the subway sometimes you're like, what's rock bottom?

1702
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: And then you see this, You're like, I've not even

1703
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: gotten close to rock bottom. Wow. I told you, dude,

1704
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: this is the one thing here is one thing that

1705
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: COVID has given my life. It's less of the subway creatures.

1706
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that has I'm ready to challenge you. Okay,

1707
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 2: back up your your tough talk here, Luke, because if

1708
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: you and I were in that undisclosed New Jersey location

1709
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: and we finished a morning combat post quarantine, we got

1710
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: on the train like we do to go to Manhattan

1711
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: to catch the other train, and uh, this lady sits

1712
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: down next to us. What is what does Luke Thomas do? Okay,

1713
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: step up, be a man, Luke.

1714
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? Fist fighter? I'm gonna tell her.

1715
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: She's a No, I don't know, what are you gonna do?

1716
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: Tell her that she's gross and she shouldn't do it?

1717
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: All right, But here's the here's the thing. You think

1718
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: she cares? You know what I mean, I'm gonna tell

1719
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: her she's gross. You think she gives a flying f

1720
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: what my opinion is? You know?

1721
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: Well, look, you do have to I told you two

1722
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 2: episodes ago, you do have to watch your back in public,

1723
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: because I owe you one, Luke. One of these days,

1724
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: once that rear naked slips in, it's it's taper nap

1725
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: your choice, Luke, it's gonna come out of nowhere. And

1726
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: speaking of that, our friend Webscream. You know this guy, right,

1727
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 2: the great Greek master of all things graphics, Christos Christophoros.

1728
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: He's back this week with another original gaff. Can we

1729
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: play this?

1730
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: Jay?

1731
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: You have this right? This is pretty much amazing, Thank you,

1732
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: I hope.

1733
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: So this is the Batman, right.

1734
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 4: Oh, that's awesome, the genius of Webscream.

1735
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, February twenty twenty one, Because that's our bet of

1736
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: full Arenas and he has a classical version of Sweet

1737
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: Caroline playing in the background of that clip.

1738
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: That the mat is funny, very funny, really good, very well.

1739
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: Right of these days, all right, one of these days

1740
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: we'll see you.

1741
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: Now, mind your p's and q's. All right, With that

1742
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: in mind, good start. It's time for odds and ends?

1743
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: What do you have for odds and ends?

1744
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: I just wanted to shout out there was that dizonemin

1745
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 2: event last week, the Women's Championship. We ended up seeing

1746
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,839
Speaker 2: Cecilia Brakhus after defending her well well theway titles twenty

1747
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: five times, lost the closest questionable decision to McCastle there

1748
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: and did not break the tie with Joe Louis for

1749
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: most title defenses. But I did want to shout out Cecilia.

1750
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: She was as humble as I have ever seen in defeat,

1751
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: didn't complain about the scoring or whether it could have

1752
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 2: gone her way, and was like ready to pass the

1753
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: tour to the next fighter. And it was. It was

1754
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: so nice. It was humbling. It was very reminiscent of

1755
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: when Ricky Hatton fought on Showtime against Costa Zoo in

1756
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: that fight that made him and they went, you know,

1757
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 2: into they went and through eleven brutal rounds and then

1758
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 2: Costa Zoo the legend decided not to come out for

1759
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: that twelveth round and then basically walked Ricky around the

1760
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: ring and anointed him as the next big thing. It

1761
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 2: was a look, we we celebrate a lot of ridiculousness

1762
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 2: in this sport, and we got to see some humble

1763
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: class from a from a true lady of the game

1764
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: there in Cecilia break Whost. So I shout that out, Luke,

1765
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: because you know I'm not all about ridiculousness.

1766
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: All right, that's a fair point. I appreciate that for

1767
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: my odds and ends. Did everyone see this on Saturday night?

1768
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: Inside the octagon the UFC had plastered on the cage

1769
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: floor and from Trojan Condoms. I'm not making this up

1770
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: and ready for this. The tagline was protect yourself at

1771
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: all times, which is the dumbest fucking tagline imaginable. First

1772
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: of all, it's like, BC, are you wearing a condom

1773
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: right now? To protect yourself against evil spirits?

1774
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: And my argument, because I sat through the three friaking needles, lute,

1775
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: that's why I don't have to anymore.

1776
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Good Lord, fair enough, so you can just go row

1777
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: dog like one of the fighters who is named that

1778
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: way In the UFC. Look at this octagon. You know

1779
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: what these products are, like Modello and Jimmy Johnson stuff.

1780
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: These are the products next to the products I actually

1781
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: buy when I go to the store, Like I'm like, oh,

1782
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 1: where is the where is the Bells two hearted Ale? Oh?

1783
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 1: Look at that, it's actually next to the Modello. Interesting

1784
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: And then I'm on my way. But here's the point

1785
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to make, aside from the fact that you know,

1786
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: this ghosh and garish look that they have on the

1787
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: octagon just splattered with ads, that is, you know, totally acceptable.

1788
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't look in any way incongruous with the rest

1789
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: of the environment. It doesn't have that NASCAR feel at all.

1790
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear about that. And more

1791
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: to the point, two thousand and nine, Condom Depot was

1792
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: a major sponsor of fighters, to the point they'd given

1793
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. They were not even allowed to sponsor

1794
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: fighters anymore inside the UFC, not even just pay the

1795
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: fee and keep going. They were just simply banned. And

1796
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: the UFC also had banned I think firearms sponsors and

1797
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: some things like that. To me, it is the height

1798
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: of hypocrisy, if not outright ridiculousness that they did that

1799
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, and then in twenty twenty

1800
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: here they are circling back to Trojan condoms while forcing

1801
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: the fighters to wear these kids where they cannot have sponsors.

1802
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: And you've got Jimmy Johns and Modello and Speedway and

1803
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: Monster and your own video game and whatever the hell

1804
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: else in there. Yes, I guess it's an I guess BC.

1805
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: I guess going from Mickey's Malt liquor and condom depot

1806
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: to Medello and Trojan is an upgrade. It's a difference

1807
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: in degree, not kind, and it is hysterical that they

1808
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: have the audacity to do this while taking money from

1809
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:18,879
Speaker 1: fighters in the process.

1810
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: Really, just I get your point. I just laugh at it, right,

1811
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's a.

1812
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Throwback to the Mickeys, because it's not your paycheck being

1813
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: it's not your paycheck being affected. That's why it's.

1814
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 2: Tell your people to start a union, then.

1815
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: It's up to them, And you're right on that. It's

1816
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: just it's just hilarious to me that they would do that.

1817
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 1: Really very funny. Okay.

1818
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: Shout out to Dynamic Fasteners, South Coast, Mitsubishi, all the

1819
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: egregious sponsors that litter the screen, dip your car? What

1820
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 2: would it take? What would it take for Morning Freakin'

1821
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: Combat to show up on the octagon? Would you? Would

1822
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: you die if that happened, if our people paid that

1823
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: much money to put us on the damn blood stain?

1824
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: No, they would never do that. The question is could

1825
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: we get it on a Showtime Championship Boxing? You know, Matt,

1826
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: maybe probably not. There's no way to help. But you know,

1827
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a guy can dream, can't he something like that? All right?

1828
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: If you would like to try Showtime, by the way,

1829
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: so you can watch maybe for an MK logo on

1830
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: the ring that will never happen, you can go to

1831
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: Showtime dot com right now thirty day free trial and

1832
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: if you like it, you can keep it. If not,

1833
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you're free to go. You want some merchstore dot show

1834
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: dot com and also BC and I can be reached

1835
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: on social media. We are on Twitter, we are on Instagram.

1836
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: This video here, of course, you could see it. They're

1837
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Morning Combat on Instagram, Morning Comment on the channel. I

1838
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: don't think I set it up front, you see, but

1839
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: we need the thumbs up and we need the subscriptions.

1840
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: What else do we need?

1841
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we kind of buried it under the radar.

1842
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 2: We reached fifty thousand subscribers a while ago on YouTube

1843
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 2: and never mentioned it. Luke, I think you were supposed

1844
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: to at least take your shirt off or something what

1845
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 2: we agreed to with the audience.

1846
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: No, I think it's like seventy for something. I forget

1847
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: what it is though.

1848
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: All right, fifty Hey, we made it. But this is

1849
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 2: just the beginning. And you know, I'm not kidding. This

1850
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 2: thing's freaking blowing up, all right, all right, it's it's happening.

1851
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: It's about like, look, you know what I'm saying, Get

1852
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: on board, get on the rocket ship. But you're gonna

1853
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 2: have to be part of the business here, so hit

1854
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 2: like hit subscribe. Tell your frickin' friends, okay, because they

1855
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: don't make shows like this anymore. They get shut down

1856
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 2: the first bad joke. Okay, all right, people aren't allowed

1857
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: to tell the truth anymore. We do inside this cage

1858
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: right here, all right, all right, The truth last week

1859
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: was I'm sorry, you know, Steve, they didn't win that

1860
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 2: second fight. He won the damn third one okay, three

1861
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: needles he won that. We tell you that like it

1862
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 2: is and how it could be how it was, and

1863
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 2: of course how it should be. It's the damn MK.

1864
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: All right, there ain't nothing like this.

1865
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: Right, Luke, Right, No, there is certainly not, for better

1866
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: or for worse. BC. We are certainly alone in all

1867
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: of this. All right?

1868
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: We want to give Jay sometimes some screen time or

1869
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: do you have more jobs?

1870
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 1: Someone had a hilarious comment last week, and I do

1871
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: need to oh, but they had a hilarious comment and

1872
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 1: they said, you know, we time to pull the plug

1873
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: on the Jay experiment. It sounds like he's drying his

1874
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: balls at a public restroom hand dryer. And I thought

1875
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: that was one of the funniest comments I'd ever heard.

1876
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Whoever said that you are a genius? What do you

1877
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: think about that? Jay?

1878
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I think it's hilarious that you know, I'm stuck in

1879
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: a room with all this equipment by myself making this

1880
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: entire show happen. It's very funny, Jay, To be honest,

1881
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: you've never shared your thoughts publicly. People hate you, and

1882
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: I don't just mean the people you work with. I

1883
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 2: mean the viewers of this show hate you. How does that?

1884
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,959
Speaker 2: How do you still drive to thrive in this role.

1885
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: In an electric vehicle? It's very quiet. Yeah, that's on brand.

1886
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Yes you want to plug anything you know?

1887
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Back in time? Great documentary. All right, it's on Hulu

1888
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: and the New Peacock Network streaming NBC.

1889
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: Check it out with Interesting. There you have it. All right.

1890
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: With that in mind, we have to get out of here.

1891
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I want to thank Jay and the team at Malca

1892
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Showtime as well. Thanks to you guys. Stay tuned for

1893
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Morning Combat Dissected and for Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas.

1894
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal