1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard mcclin smith, where 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: for the weeks in between episodes, we look at stories 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: and ideas that, for one reason or another, didn't make 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: it into the previous show. In our last episode, A 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Death Less Ordinary, we heard the beguiling and tragic tale 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: of Gunter Stole from Anshausen in Western Germany, who died 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four in very unusual circumstances. Many wild 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: theories sprung up in the absence of a satisfactory explanation 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: for Stoll's death, including one that suggested you may have 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: been selling industry secrets to the East German government after 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: falling on hard times, and had been murdered in retaliation. 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: If so, you may have been better off dedicating his 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: time finding one of the countless number of treasures looted 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: by members of the German Army and Third Reich officials 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: during the Second World War that were rumoured to still 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: be languishing in various attics, basements, and some more unusual 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: and inaccessible places throughout the country. In fact, only a 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: short drive away from Stoll's own town of Anshausen lay 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: just one such treasure trove of priceless artifacts and artworks 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: said to be worth billions of today's euros. Back in 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: April nineteen forty five, a group of American troops whose 22 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: story would go on to inspire the twenty fourteen film 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Monument's Men located the stash in the depths of an 24 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: old copper mine known as Heine stolen in Siegen, just 25 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: under five miles west of Anshausen. Among the pieces said 26 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: to have been found there were the relics, which is 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: to say, bones of the ancient kings Charlemagne, as well 28 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: as an original Beethoven manuscript, paintings by Flemish artist Peter 29 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Paul Rubens, among hundreds of other equally valuable items. But 30 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: that was far from all that was found. In a 31 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: salt mine in Murkers in central Germany, gold worth two 32 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: billion euros in today's money had been stashed by officials 33 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: of the Third Reich, alongside four hundred tons of art, 34 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: either stolen from individuals or taken from the Berlin State museums. 35 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: And there were mines outside of Germany too, mines in 36 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: countries annexed by Hitler's Third Reich, like the Altaucis salt 37 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: mine in Austria, where troops found six thousand, five hundred 38 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: seventy seven paintings, one hundred and thirty seven sculptures, and 39 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty four crates of other art, as 40 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: well as furniture, weapons, coins, and a wealth of books, 41 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: including some from Hitler's own so called Fura's library, And 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: so began the belief that these were not the only 43 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: ones of their kind, that more hidden so called Nazi 44 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: treasure existed, if only one had the tenacity and persistence 45 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: to find it. It's nineteen forty seven. Lower Silesia, formerly 46 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: in Germany, but by then in southwest Poland has been 47 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: cleared of almost two million German nationals by the Soviet 48 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Union's Red Army. To fill the vacated towns and empty houses, 49 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: the new Polish government had relocated hundreds of thousands of 50 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: their citizens whose homes had been destroyed by the German military. 51 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: Many of the new inhabitants would become treasure hunters, digging 52 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: in the gold gardens and lifting floorboards to find silks 53 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: and jewels, watchers and furs, porcelain and ammunition, all hidden 54 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: and buried by the fleeing former German residents. Jue Herbert 55 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Closer a German military officer was injured falling from his 56 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: horse and left for dead by his fellow officers, who 57 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: fled off without him. He was swiftly captured and interrogated 58 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: by the Polish secret police. Closer had been a high 59 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: level police official in Vroswaft, the historical capital city of 60 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: the Lower Silesia region. He confirmed much of what was 61 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: already suspected millions, if not billions, of German marks worth 62 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: of valuables had been hidden across the region. Locals believed 63 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: that nearby thirteenth century Kazakh Castle was in fact a 64 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: secret headquarters of Adolf Hitler. There were rumors too, of 65 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: something called Project Resa, taken from the German word for giant. 66 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: This since turned out to comprise a system of tunnels 67 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: and bunkers, most of them still inaccessible today, buried fifty 68 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: meters under the ground, located somewhere in the Awl Mountains 69 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: in Lower Silesia. Many believed the tunnels were deliberately sealed 70 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: off by the German army toward the end of the war. 71 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: The actual purpose of whatever Project Resa may have been 72 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: has never been ascertained, but a scattering of collapsed cave entrances, 73 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: railroad tracks leading to abandoned construction sites and woodland ventilation 74 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: shafts gave credence to the idea that the German Army 75 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: were working on something out there. Locals also spoke of 76 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: hearing loud blasts underground from about nineteen five three onwards. 77 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: If Herbert Closer and his compatriots had been looking for 78 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: somewhere to hide valuables, tunnels built under the Al mountains 79 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: would have been the ideal location. Out of this story 80 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and others like it, came the local legend that a 81 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: treasure filled train laden with more than three hundred and 82 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: thirty tons of gold, jewels, weapons and artistic masterpieces left 83 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: what was then the town of Breslau now Vrotswath, but 84 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: never made it to its intended destination. Instead, the train 85 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: is rumored to have entered the Project Resa site somewhere 86 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: near Keswick Castle. One of few living sources of the 87 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Great Gold Train legend is retired minor Tadoit Slovakovski, now 88 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: eighty four, who claimed to have first heard of the 89 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: train from a German Man in the nineteen seventies. I 90 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: have lived with this mystery for forty years, but each 91 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: time I went to the authorities, they always silenced it, 92 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: he once told the Associated Press. For over seventy years, 93 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: people have scoured the Al Mountains for any sign of 94 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: the train. Some say to no avail, others are not 95 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: so sure. It's August twenty fifteen. Peter Copper from Poland 96 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and Andreas Richter from Germany have secretly open negotiations with 97 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the Polish government. They're asking for a ten percent finders 98 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: fee before going any further, because they believe they have 99 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: found the missing gold train using radar technology to penetrate 100 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: the ground. Copper and Richter, co owners of a mine 101 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: exploration company, believe their images show several carriages buried nine 102 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: meters underground in a site inside the Al Mountains. This 103 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: information is swiftly leaked and a media circus since hues. 104 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: Thousands of Polish nationals and tourists alike flocked to the site, 105 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: igniting a very singular type of gold rush along a 106 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: two and a half mile stretch of Polish rail track. 107 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: The Polish Deputy Culture Minister at the time was excited. 108 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: He believed that the radar images confirmed with ninety nine 109 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: percent probability that a train of one hundred meters in 110 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: length had been found, despite its skepticism from historians and 111 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: local governing authorities, who believed that surely, if there was 112 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: treasure to be found, it would have been found by now, 113 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: either by the Red Army who invaded subsequently, or by 114 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: any one of the later searches that were conducted did 115 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: in the region, but Copper and Richter remained under turret, 116 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and so did the tourists and treasure hunters who poured 117 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: into the area armed with shovels and metal detectors, repeatedly 118 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: asking each other have you found it? As they went. 119 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: By late September twenty fifteen, the Polish military had begun 120 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: work in Earnest, clearing trees and searching for booby traps, mines, 121 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: or anything else that may indicate that something really was 122 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: hidden in the designated area. On fifteenth of August twenty sixteen, 123 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: a year after their first negotiations, Copper and Richter began digging, 124 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: accompanied by a team of sixty four people, including volunteers, engineers, geologists, chemists, archaeologists, 125 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: and specialists in military demolitions. After seven days, how however, 126 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: Copper and Richter came up empty handed. There was no train. 127 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: The radar images thought to have been the train were 128 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: revealed to be nothing but natural ice formations. Papers that 129 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: had once celebrated Peter Copper and Andreas Richter's search now 130 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: reported on their venture as a hopeless and eccentric foal's 131 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: errand articles debunking their theories were published, and the gold 132 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: Train was relegated once more to urban legend. Despite their failure, 133 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: Copper and Richter were undeterred. Rather than accept the finding, 134 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: they decided that they merely had to dig deeper and 135 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: expand their net wider. In June twenty seventeen, the men 136 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: oversaw a second excavation of the area, discovering seven human 137 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: made cavities in the process. A further dig to investigate 138 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: these was scheduled for the summer of twenty eighteen, but 139 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: with financial support beginning to dry up, their efforts soon 140 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: began to wane. In August twenty eighteen, Andreas Richter left 141 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: the project. He remains convinced, nonetheless, that the train does 142 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: exist somewhere out there. Peter Copper carried on a loan 143 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: for a short time until January twenty nineteen, when he 144 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: made a somewhat different but wholly welcome discovery. While helping 145 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: to renovate a palace in the village of Struga, not 146 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: far from the suspected train site, he discovered a series 147 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: of large and priceless sixteenth century wall paintings hidden behind 148 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: the plaster. The discovery of the twenty four painting in 149 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: total is now considered possibly the most valuable of its 150 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: kind in lower PSI leisure. Perhaps you might one day 151 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: find the mythical gold train too. This episode was written 152 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: by Ella McLeod. Unexplained is an Avy Club Productions podcast 153 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,359 Speaker 1: created by Richard McLain Smith. 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