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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great

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Speaker 1: episode for you today. There's so much happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get started with Justin Timberlake's diagnosis. We have

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Speaker 1: an update on an influencer who dismembered her partner and

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Speaker 1: all of his body parts were found besides his head.

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Speaker 1: The dangers of swimming on a full stomach, a child

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Speaker 1: that sustained injuries from an animal encounter, a woman struggle

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Speaker 1: with insurance coverage after having a bat in her mouth,

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Speaker 1: and a woman found dead with an unusual item or

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Speaker 1: should I say items glued to her body. All that

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Speaker 1: and morel on today's episode. Let's get started with Justin Timberlake.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days ago, Justin Timberlake went on Instagram

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Speaker 2: to shed some light on what he's been dealing with

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Speaker 2: in his personal life and revealed that he has lime disease.

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Speaker 2: Is it Lime's disease or lime disease?

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Speaker 1: Lime?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I've been saying it wrong way ty, everyone does.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. So there's been stuff going on with him, right,

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Speaker 1: wasn't he caught drinking and driving at least once.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, last summer he got arrested for the DWI,

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Speaker 2: but then he ended up pleading guilty in the fall

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Speaker 2: and got a lesser charge. Of course, I mean we

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Speaker 2: always see that these people that get DUIs and are

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Speaker 2: drunk driving get like nothing, no penalizations or anything, right,

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Speaker 2: so he made a pretty good deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did see that the judge wasn't happy

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Speaker 1: with it. So he asked if he would do community service,

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Speaker 1: and he said he would to any organization of his

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Speaker 1: choice twenty five hours that need to be done in

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Speaker 1: a year or so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's nothing, so exactly.

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Speaker 1: I was happy to see his license got taken away

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Speaker 1: for a couple of days, but like, you rich enough

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Speaker 1: to have a driver, so like, that's not going to

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Speaker 1: affect him at all. So I have been seeing videos

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Speaker 1: go around the past couple of months of people saying

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Speaker 1: that his concerts aren't great, some people anyway, that he's

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So this revelation that he has

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Speaker 1: disease would definitely make sense to that, and maybe people

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Speaker 1: feel kind of bad for making fun of him. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: I think from what I was researching in the other

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Speaker 1: pop culture podcast I listen to, it's either like, if

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Speaker 1: you go on Reddit, some people think he's either been

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Speaker 1: misdiagnosed and it's not really lime disease based on what

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Speaker 1: timing the announcement of it because he was getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of backlash last week because I guess during one

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Speaker 1: of his songs at a concert. It seems like he's

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Speaker 1: in Europe right now touring, So at one of his concerts,

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Speaker 1: you know how singers hold out the microphone to have

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Speaker 1: people sing like famous lines and their songs or just

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Speaker 1: a brief stint of it. But he basically had the

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Speaker 1: crowd sing the entire song and everybody was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: so I'm paying all this money to see you and

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Speaker 1: you're not even singing the song. And then two days

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Speaker 1: later he makes his postity his lime disease, So what

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Speaker 1: symptoms is he having that people think that he's making

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Speaker 2: Just on Reddit, the way people were saying he was

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Speaker 2: describing it, it was really just nerdy, like he wasn't

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Speaker 2: saying the right things. I was thinking about this when

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Speaker 2: I describe I have something to you, I don't know

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Speaker 2: the medical terminology for it, so everybody's just nitpicking that.

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Speaker 2: And it's like if I got diagnosed with something, I

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Speaker 2: or tests that I've done, Right, I'm just generalizing what's

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Speaker 2: single time I talk to people that don't have a

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Speaker 2: medical history and they start telling me something, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I mean that's that's normal for people that are

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Speaker 1: going through this. I don't I don't look at Justin

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Speaker 1: and it's quite possible. So many people get lime disease.

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Speaker 1: And what happens is, which is exactly what happened with

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Speaker 1: and it has a very classic appearance called erythema migrants,

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Speaker 1: which it looks like a target, like the target logo.

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Speaker 1: It looks like that, and it happens in a large

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Speaker 1: it checked out because there's a possibility that it's a

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Speaker 1: tick bite. And what happens is the lime disease occurs.

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Speaker 1: It's called the zoonotic disease. Do you know what that is?

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Speaker 2: That's the transfer from animals to humans.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're very good, so I did. The bacteria is

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Speaker 1: present in some mammals and then what happens is a

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Speaker 1: mammals as well, and that's how the bacteria gets spread.

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Speaker 1: So when you see this target rash on your body,

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Speaker 1: that means that the bacteria is local to that area.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't go to the doctor, to the

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Speaker 1: cause serious problems. The most common thing would be like

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Speaker 1: But in even a smaller percentage of people, but it

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Speaker 2: Well, I think like everybody's putting their tinfoil hats on

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Speaker 2: so many celebrities have lime disease in particular, and it

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Speaker 2: kind of seems like it's timed up with scandals. I

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Speaker 2: Munchausen because she had lined disease and nobody believed her,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are blood tests that can be done

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think, like I do think

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Speaker 1: so it could it could be multifactorial. I just I

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Speaker 1: If anybody would make something like that up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna pull that. But I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's totally possible that this guy's life is like

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Speaker 1: So I mean, why didn't he say something ahead of

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Speaker 1: just saying like, wow, you know, I felt really tired

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Speaker 1: months ago that I didn't even realize and like get

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Speaker 2: I've been seeing this a lot recently because on The

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Speaker 1: It checked out. Even a couple of people know. Funny

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Speaker 1: that you said that. It's funny that you say this

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Speaker 1: because you always make fun of me for pointing out

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Speaker 2: Well, it's you think I'm like a it's the way.

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Speaker 1: see in a hickey.

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Speaker 2: So the bruises, to me were so fascinated. I've never

436
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: seen I mean, I'm sure you've seen similar stuff. I've

437
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: never seen anything like that before. I thought it was

438
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: so interesting from the suction cups on the arms.

439
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: And I also found.

440
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: It interesting that the aquarium issued their own TikTok after

441
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: the mother issued her TikTok explaining how the animal operates

442
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: and how they made the case worse. Like, yes, and

443
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: so when you get.

444
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Speaker 1: A hickey, right, it's just these little tiny blood vessels

445
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: at the surface of your skin bursting and they cost

446
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: those little pin everybody knows what that looks like, right,

447
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: anytime you could do it on yourself if you just

448
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: put your arm up to your mouth and you suck,

449
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: or you're like my daughter Lucia and you put a

450
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: bottle on your lip and try to make your lips

451
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: bigger because of some video you saw on YouTube, right,

452
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: it is a very specific look. It doesn't physically hurt really,

453
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: and it might look a lot worse than it actually is.

454
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: That That's not what I'm concerned about here. I'm concerned

455
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: that this animal the size of a child is able

456
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: to hook onto it so strong that people can't get

457
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: it off of the child. And like, who's to say,

458
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: since that octopus is able to carry seven hundred pounds,

459
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: that it doesn't pick the child up and drag it

460
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: into the tank and all of a sudden the child

461
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: is stuck underwater. That's what I was thinking too.

462
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: I also found this is gonna be judgmental of me,

463
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: but like the mom was like, I wasn't gonna touch it,

464
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to touch any creatures either, but

465
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: if my kid's getting wrapped up in it, I don't

466
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Speaker 2: care what happens to the animal. Like, I know that's

467
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: insensitive to say, but like, your child safety comes first.

468
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: I agree with her. Like I think in that situation,

469
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Speaker 1: if the thing was stuck on one of my kids

470
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: and the kid and one of my kids said, I'm

471
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: not in any pain, I would do that too because

472
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't Number one, I I wouldn't want to take

473
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: it off because I don't want to piss it off

474
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: those so Octopectopa whatever however you say it, they have

475
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: like a beak they don't have there are there. Obviously

476
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: they don't have a vertebrae, so they don't have many bones.

477
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: But they have a really hard beak, which is what

478
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: helps them crack the shells of animals that they're eating.

479
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: And they don't typically ever use it for humans because

480
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: they don't they don't want us, right, but they're they've

481
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: been known to bite humans. It's not that they never have.

482
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: So if my kid was saying that they were fine

483
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: and you were just gonna let staff get it off,

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: I would do the same thing, because you don't want

485
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: to piss that thing off that and have it actually

486
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: have the ability to hurt the kid, and and like

487
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: plus you don't because it's a rare animal. It's like

488
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: on display at the at the aquarium. Like you don't

489
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: want to hurt it. It's not the animal's fault like that.

490
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying go out of your way to hurt it.

491
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, I don't know. So there was

492
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: no employees around, so it took a couple of years

493
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: for somebody to come over. I'm saying that too with

494
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: the kid getting pulled in and drowned, Like obviously, I

495
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: think it's a little bizarre that she had to call

496
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: employees over and like there wasn't someone immediately there. It

497
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: was like kind of having to find somebody because this

498
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: could have been bad, Like what if she was, I

499
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: don't know, talking around on the other side, talking to

500
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: her friend. And I mean, I just look at any

501
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: time children are having interactions with animals like that, there

502
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: should always be staff that are have their all eyes,

503
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: like a couple people watching what's happening there. So I

504
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: think it's very unlikely that the octopus could pull the

505
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: kid in, but it has the capability of doing that.

506
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Speaker 2: The craziest part of this whole story is that the

507
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: mom said that she went back to see the octopus

508
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: like next time they went there, and that thing looked

509
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: through the tank at her son and moved its location

510
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: from where it was, and it turned completely white and

511
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: camouflaged in with the bottom like one hundred and like

512
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: went over to the sun like it recognized him. And

513
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: it's it sounds silly to say that, but they can.

514
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: They're very intelligent animals and they can recognize humans. Yeah,

515
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: And I was reading also that sometimes they turn way

516
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: and blend in as like a few, like when they're

517
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: scared or they feel threatened, so that I guess when

518
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: there's predators. So I don't know if it couldn't differentiate

519
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: if it was a predator because it got ripped off

520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: of it.

521
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's really interesting, because I was reading that

522
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: when an octopus is in activity, they've been known to

523
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: do like friendly hand shakes or hand hugs with people

524
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: that they like, which would be it grabbing on to

525
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: that boy like that perhaps, And then they it said

526
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: that they spit at people they like, emit this water

527
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: from people that they feel that are threatened it or

528
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: they don't like. And if you recall in that video,

529
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: the second video that was made by the employee that

530
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: was talking about it, did you hear her say that

531
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: it's spit at her? Yeah, But do you also find

532
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: by like the end of the video, it was like

533
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: really grabbing onto her arm and she seemed like frightened.

534
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that video was beneficial to the aquarium

535
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: at all either. Like the whole time I'm watching it

536
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, you're telling us that this thing

537
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: is Kate, is the size of a child and is

538
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: capable of dragging seven hundred pounds, and you're trying to

539
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: make us feel like it's capable of giving you these

540
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: hickeys all over or octopi kisses, whatever they call it,

541
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: and capable of leaving us hickeys all over your arm

542
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: up to two weeks, and you're just trying to tell

543
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: us like, hey, it's safe, come pet this thke. I

544
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: think at the very I think the point of the

545
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: video was trying to say that, like, if it grabs

546
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: onto it's very normal to have residual bruising, but like

547
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: in that case, they need to have a sign or

548
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: something on the side that is like, just have caution.

549
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: This animal is strong, but they generally are very friendly,

550
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: but you may have some minor bruises after you interact

551
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: with it. And it does make me kind of just

552
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: want to go touch it, honestly, like, but also the

553
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: thing I guess the thing is is that there's questions

554
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: like is it stressed out? Because a normal octopus in

555
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: an environment is definitely not having interactions with humans like

556
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: that on that kind of a basis, So is it

557
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: stressed in the environment? I mean, think about like hundreds

558
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: of little kids every single day, like coming in and

559
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: sticking their dirty hands in the tank and everything, like

560
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: it is the tank too small for the for this

561
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: animal to be living in? Like questions like that. I mean,

562
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: she clearly has it on video and you could see

563
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: this thing change color like that. I didn't even know

564
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: they did that. Yeah, it's it's really cool. They're really

565
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: really smart. Like I want one as a pet. This

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585
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: this is a freakin' freak thing to happen to somebody. Yeah.

586
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: So last August, a thirty three ye old woman was

587
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: visiting Glenn Canyon National Recreation Area in Arizona. She had

588
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: noticed a bunch of bats flying around but didn't think

589
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: too much of it. Then she was taking pictures of

590
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: the night sky and one of the bats got in

591
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: between her camera and her face and ended up in

592
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: her mouth at some point. So her dad, who was

593
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: a doctor, was like, you need to go to the

594
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: hospital and get raby treatment immediately, all right.

595
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: So this is when the story kind of got well,

596
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's the weirdest part of the story.

597
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: But so apparently she had just left one of her

598
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: jobs and she was offered insurance called Cobra to cover

599
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: her until she got her next job for insurance coverage,

600
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: which she decided to declined because she just was very

601
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: healthy and just wanted to take the risk and not

602
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: pay the money. And right before she went to the hospital,

603
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: at her father's advice, she went online and purchased a

604
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: health insurance plan. So she goes to the hospital and

605
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: they say that she needs to have four different rabies

606
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: treatments and which she wants to get, which obviously, because

607
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but in a Mother

608
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Knows Death, we talked about a couple cases of bats

609
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: specifically giving people rabies. And in one of the cases,

610
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: remember there was a bat in a child's bedroom and

611
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: the kid had like two pinpoint little things that didn't

612
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: even realize that it was a bit because their teeth

613
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: are so small, like you might not even feel it.

614
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: And that's why it was a good idea for the

615
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: dad to say, like, hey, you don't really know if

616
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: you got bit, like you should if you ever have

617
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: an interaction with a bat, you should go to the

618
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: hospital like that's just a known thing, right, So she

619
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: gets all these treatments and then finds out that that

620
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: insurance policy that she bought you had to wait thirty

621
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: days before it would cover you. So now she's stuck

622
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: with twenty thousand dollars worth of bills.

623
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is just an example of

624
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: the risk you take, right when you don't get the

625
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: lapse and or when you don't have the health endurance

626
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: and there's a gap.

627
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is the thing, Like we could sit

628
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: there and talk about how things should be and how

629
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: things are right, how things should be. Is this is ridiculous.

630
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to pay for this. How the hell

631
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: does four Raby's treatments cost twenty thousand dollars? Like go

632
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: on and on and on, but like when you live

633
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: in a America, that is the way that it is, right,

634
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: So that is the risk. It's a risk you take

635
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: if you don't have insurance because of exactly something like this.

636
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I've said this. I mean I think didn't Ricky do

637
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: that at some point? I think my brother's done that

638
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: at some point, Like and I always am like, what

639
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: if you're appendix burst like that could really ruin you financially,

640
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: even though you seem like you never get sick or anything.

641
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: This is like, I'm sure this was the last thing

642
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: this girl thought was going to happen, was that a

643
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: bat was going to go into her mouth, right.

644
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: I don't think my husband had health insurance until he

645
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: met me and I forced him to get a policy.

646
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Speaker 1: I mean, you hear this all the time though, because

647
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I don't need it and stuff

648
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: like that. So, I mean that was mistake number one.

649
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Mistake number two is like I don't even know what

650
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: she was thinking that you could just go by an

651
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: insurance policy and then get coverage because like obviously everybody

652
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: would do that that there's always a waiting period. It's

653
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: never immediate like that. I mean, yeah, I mean you

654
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: can't get in a car accident and then call Geico

655
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want to be covered and they

656
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: cover the accident like that's oh, I'll pay twenty dollars

657
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: and get this twenty thousand dollars thing covered. Like that's

658
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: just ridiculous.

659
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like after they did the claim and

660
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: stuff too, and they found out the time she purchased

661
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: the policy versus the time she was in the hospital.

662
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: That would also trigger a.

663
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: Red flag too, even if there wasn't a week period.

664
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Oh my husband just died. Let me take out life

665
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: insurance and policy on them. Like that's not how Like

666
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: insurance just never ever works like that. So it's kind

667
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: of bizarre that she thought that that was going to work.

668
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: But I do want to say, I mean to her defense,

669
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: like number one, I feel like things like this should

670
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: be free anyway, just because it's a public health concern.

671
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you really do not want a person getting

672
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: brabies from a bat and dying from it. This is

673
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: like a public health you know how, like they give

674
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: out free vaccine for COVID and measles and stuff. I mean,

675
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: this is up there, in my opinion with like something

676
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: that should be given for public health reason.

677
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but is the COVID vaccine free if you have

678
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: health insurance?

679
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: Like if you probably not. But there's plenty of programs

680
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: for things of public health nature that are free. So

681
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't really know, Like maybe

682
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: that's something that she could route, she can go, but

683
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: also just think about it, like why, like how on

684
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: earth is it so much money? Like it's just out

685
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: of control, like twenty thousand dollars. I think she got

686
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: the bill, like she got some stuff taken off of it,

687
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: but it's still nineteen thousand dollars and like that. That

688
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: just seems completely outrageous.

689
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: All right, This is exactly what I'm trying to say

690
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: though about Luigi Manngioni, is like, how are they gonna

691
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: find a jury that's not been affected? Like they're gonna

692
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: find twelve people that have never at all been affected

693
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: by the healthcare industry. And I'm talking about even this.

694
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes people say they review their hospital bills and see

695
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: they were charged five hundred dollars for a tile and all, like, listen, ridiculous.

696
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: I worked in a hospital for a very long time,

697
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you the waste is out of control.

698
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I I'll never forget two different things that happened. Okay,

699
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: So one time, we a lot of times we work

700
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: in conjunction with a lab called flowcitometry, because we get

701
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: specimens that are fresh to look at lymphoma, and we

702
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: have to put it in a special medium before we

703
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: put it in formaldehyde. And sometimes with those cases we

704
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: would get blood with it too that would have to

705
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: go up to the lab with the tissue, and if

706
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: we were not available to immediately bring that up to them,

707
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: we would want to put it in a refrigerator until

708
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: we had a chance to go up to the floor

709
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: and bring it to them or to have somebody come

710
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: get it. So the bottom line is is that we

711
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: needed a mini refrigerator in the lab now to hold

712
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: a couple vials of blae. Right. I feel like I

713
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: just got my kids won a couple years ago of

714
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: the size we needed on Amazon for like thirty bucks

715
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: for their skincare crap. Right, Yeah, those things are cheap. No,

716
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: we couldn't get something like that because we had to

717
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: get one that was through Fisher Scientific and it was

718
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: like almost one thousand dollars for like to stick a

719
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: couple bals of blood. And I'm not lying, right, So

720
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, like I could just I could

721
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: just go on Amazon and order it and it'll be here,

722
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: and you guys could just give me back the thirty bucks. No, Nicole,

723
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: you don't understand what the procedure is. That money has

724
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: to come from here and it has to be approved, this,

725
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: that and the other, and you're just like this is

726
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: total bullshit. Another time we needed a cart to do

727
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: frozen sections. And Andrea was just like, all right, well,

728
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: like I could go to aika. They're like, you know,

729
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks, not even whatever, like one of those

730
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: silver trays you know you would push food around with

731
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, again, needed one from fish or Scientific

732
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: over five hundred dollars. Like then we were having this

733
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: thing that we were throwing out all of these the

734
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: little cassettes that we used to put tissue in to

735
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: send to histology to get the slides made. So when

736
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: I worked at one hospital, we would only print what

737
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: we needed, but at the newer hospital I was working at,

738
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: they would pre print everything. And it was so stupid

739
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: because I would be like, why, Like, you don't know

740
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: how much I'm going to need until I do it,

741
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: so why don't you just let me print them instead

742
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: of them getting pre printed? So nobody listened to me.

743
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: So one day, Annette and I got one of those

744
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: boxes that you put printer in your paper and you know,

745
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: and I threw all the ones that I would normally

746
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: put in the trash can. I threw in that box.

747
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: In one month, those that box was filled to the

748
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: very top right, and I did the work the math

749
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: on how much that was that I was throwing away

750
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: a year, and it was seventy five thousand dollars worth

751
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: of stuff that I was throwing away, right, It's insane.

752
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: And I went to my boss at the time and

753
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you keep telling us that we can't

754
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: get another employee because our department doesn't have enough money.

755
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: And I just prove to you that we throw away

756
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: with this, just this one product, seventy five thousand dollars worth,

757
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: which would pay for a full time PA at this place.

758
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: This was years ago when that was the going salary.

759
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: But I'm like, do you see the amount of waste

760
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: that is going on. If that's just like one little

761
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: product in one little lab in one little hospital, imagine

762
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: what's happening at every hospital nationwide. The waste is out

763
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: of control and that ultimately gets pushed off to the consumer,

764
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: which is us.

765
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure I'm sure our nurses that are

766
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: listening have even worse stories.

767
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh god, I can't even imagine. Yeah, I mean, and

768
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: then you get like you get cut on things like

769
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: we don't have any money for like life saving machines

770
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: or things that could cause patients to die or cause

771
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: nurses to get in trouble because they're not monitoring patients correctly.

772
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's out of control.

773
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, aside to this story is like we

774
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: can argue like why is the cost of American health

775
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: care so expensive?

776
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: And then knowing that, why didn't.

777
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 2: This girl get the lapse coverage that she needed? Because

778
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: this is exactly what happens to people. It's a shitty system.

779
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: But you just have to understand it's like what we're

780
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: working with right now.

781
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, and it's it's a good thing

782
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: to teach people because that it's it's like, you know,

783
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: my brother took the risk, Ricky took the risk, and

784
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: like luckily nothing happened to them, but like one little

785
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: thing that could happen, and this is nothing. Twenty thousand

786
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: dollars is nothing, no I think about, Like my story

787
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: was tens of thousands of dollars exactly. That's what I'm saying.

788
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: The insurance hit so like you and you don't know,

789
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: oh exactly, if you get in a car accident, if

790
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: your appendix burst, anything could happen you at any time.

791
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: Anybody that listens to this podcast should know that anything

792
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: could happen to you at any time, including a bat

793
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: flying in your mouth of vacation. So she said, I

794
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: know what bats tastes like. Now it's earthy kind of

795
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: sweet flavor, so disgusting.

796
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

797
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, listen, bat bat's rabies is so fatal.

798
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: I just I don't care, Like if I was going

799
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: even if she knew she was going to be in

800
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars worth of debt, like, I would not

801
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: mess around with that. There's been not every single human

802
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: that's ever gotten rabies. There's only been like twenty cases

803
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: in the history of forever that people have survived it.

804
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: No thanks, that's like a scared deal with that later

805
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: type of deal. You just have to get the care

806
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: for yourself at that point. All right. Last week, a

807
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: twenty year old woman riding a bus was found dead

808
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: and the cops were surprised to find that she had

809
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: twenty six iPhones glued to her body. All right, so

810
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: this is really weird.

811
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: I guess as of right now, they're not saying exactly

812
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: what her cause of death was, which I really hope

813
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: that they get back to us with this because I'm

814
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: really curious. I mean, just besides the fact that this

815
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: is so bizarre because I guess she also had a

816
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: bag with her that was filled with alcohol and additional phones. Yeah,

817
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure, but she's only twenty years old,

818
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: and apparently people were saying that it seemed as if

819
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: she suffered a seizure and then she went into cardiac arrest,

820
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: so her heart stopped. So I'm really curious about this

821
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: because you know how there's all this talk about the

822
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: radio waves that are coming off of the phone, how

823
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: they could be harmful to our health. And so the

824
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: American Cancer Society and the FDA, they've deemed that there's

825
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: this certain magic number that anything over that could cause

826
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: changes in DNA mutation and could cause acute health effects,

827
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: and anything under that is considered safe for human consumption.

828
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: And they've all determined, all of these associations that the

829
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: amount of radio frequency waves that come from a phone

830
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: are they're not harmful at the level that they're at. Correct. Okay,

831
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: So the only thing that they're saying that there has

832
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: been confirmation of is that those waves can cause in

833
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: a person or can cause a person's body temperature to rise. Now,

834
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: my question is the studies are done with one person

835
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: and one phone, right, because who has more than one

836
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: phone on them? What happens Like were those phones that

837
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: were glued to her body, were they on, were they working?

838
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: And what happens when a person has twenty phones now

839
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: on their body and twenty amount of those radio frequency

840
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: waves write adjacent to their body Because when you think

841
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: about people that have hyperthermia or an increased body temperature,

842
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: which is anything that could be over one hundred and

843
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: three degrees, you could see people start having seizures and stuff.

844
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: So was the actual waves from the phone causing it?

845
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Or like was she being trafficked or something? Or was

846
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: was she trying to smuggle the phones?

847
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Like?

848
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: Who knows what was going on there? Yeah?

849
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I guess their leading theory is that she was trying

850
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: to traffic the items. Also, is it possible that, like

851
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, to glue these objects on her body, she's

852
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: probably using something like a POxy, right, which is extremely toxic,

853
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: So could that have been an issue too? Yeah?

854
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I just don't like, why why do you if

855
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: you had let's say you had fifty phones in your bag, Like,

856
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: what do you tra I don't understand what you're smuggling

857
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: is it not legal to have that many phones on you, Like,

858
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it.

859
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't know this happened in Brazil, so I'm not

860
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: exactly sure what the item trafficking was or if having

861
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: phones was illegal. It just seems very unusual. My question

862
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: for you is, like, if you get a person, well,

863
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: I'm assuming these like are these phones glued to her

864
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: like undershirt or they glued to her skin directly, I.

865
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Have no idea.

866
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: So if you get an autopsy where somebody is objects

867
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: glued all over to them, what do you do about it?

868
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: You were because they said they had removed the phones

869
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: to put into evidence.

870
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you would just document all of them

871
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: and extensively. I mean I don't know how extensively they

872
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: would do it, but you can. You could do it

873
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: down to like what serial number was located at what

874
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: part of the body, and then you would just take

875
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: it off, photograph it, document it, and give it to

876
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: the authorities who were doing an investigation. Because obviously, like

877
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: especially if they were iPhones, they're all they're all tracked, right,

878
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: you know where they all came from. The GPS on

879
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: all of them, you could probably trace where it originated.

880
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: And where it is now, Like, I just really want

881
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: to know more about this because it's just so bizarre,

882
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: it really is.

883
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every

884
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: Friday at that at mother nos Death Instagram account, you

885
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: guys can head over to the story and ask whatever

886
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: you want first. For the Idaho murders, is it normal

887
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: when there is a victim of murder to not be

888
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: able to be viewed by their family members? Just surprising

889
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: the family didn't know what happened to them until recently.

890
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: Is that because of the gag order?

891
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: You mean to like actually view their body, like their

892
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: dead body or their autopsy report. I so I don't

893
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: know what's going on with the autopsy report, but this

894
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: is interesting that somebody brought this up today because I

895
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: saw I think it was the Twitter account or x

896
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: account of the podcast Pretty Lies and Alibis. Yesterday they

897
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: posted that they tried to get all of the records

898
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: from the Brian Coburger case, all of the records, not

899
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: just the ones that have been available to the public,

900
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: ban all of them, which would make the staff there

901
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: have to go through every single document and redact everything

902
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: that needed to be redacted. And it would couse so

903
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: much work. Guess how much they said it costs? How much?

904
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: Twenty thousand dollars what? So the Pretty Lies and Alibis

905
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: podcast was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to pass, right,

906
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: but like, will dateline pass on that? Because that's not

907
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: shit to them, you know what I mean? It's interesting

908
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: and listen. At first, I was like kind of butt

909
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: hurt by it, and I was like, this is really

910
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: messed up that they're like gonna be making money off this,

911
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: but it sounds like the amount of work that would

912
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: go into it, Like they have to pay employees to

913
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: do all that work. But aren't they paying it?

914
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Isn't somebody redacting them anyway, And that's why they're taking

915
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: so long to get released and coming out in like

916
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: different increments.

917
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know if they're all

918
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: getting released.

919
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I requested the autopsy report two weeks ago.

920
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I haven't even heard anything bad. Yeah, So anyway, getting

921
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: back to that, that's what I was gonna say. So

922
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: all I saw so far in the documents that have

923
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: been released for free online is an autopsy summary, which

924
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: is nowhere near what the autopsy report is. And I'm

925
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: kind of like not one hundred percent impressed with the

926
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: way that the injuries have been described. So I don't

927
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I don't know how they do

928
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: the reports. I'm sure each person had an individual report.

929
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them yet.

930
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: But.

931
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: As far as seeing that, I don't know. I'm assuming

932
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: that because of the gag order, the families didn't have

933
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: access to that, and I'm not sure, like I'm not

934
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: sure that that's necessarily like a bad thing. Did they

935
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: need to have access to that? I mean, like, I'm

936
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: just trying to think, like, if Maria got stabbed to

937
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: death in college, obviously, as a parent, I would want

938
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: the right to that because it's my kid. But at

939
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't know if I could ever

940
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: read one of my family member's autopsy reports.

941
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: I would just think though as far as this question,

942
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: which is like is it normal for them not to

943
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: be viewed?

944
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: Do we know for a fact that they weren't.

945
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 2: Viewed because they might have known exactly what happened at

946
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: the very beginning, but because of the gag order, couldn't

947
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: say anything. No, Because Steve Gonzalvez said that he didn't

948
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: know how many times she got stabbed Okay, so he

949
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: just said that.

950
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: I believe he said it. I believe the first time

951
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: he found out was was the day of the plea

952
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: sentencing or shortly within that time. I know he's been

953
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: vocal that he didn't know. Listen, Like, I know that

954
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: we talk about this. This is like what I talk

955
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: about for a living is autopsies and autopsy reports and stuff.

956
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: But I imagine if this happens to you personally, I

957
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: could assure you that you do not want to see

958
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: your loved one that has been stabbed to death, especially

959
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Kaylee who was disfigured by whatever stab wounds slash blunt

960
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: instrument destroyed her face, making her unrecognizable. You do not

961
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: want to ever see your child like that. So you

962
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't want to. Like I think a lot of times,

963
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: even some people in the hospital that have been really

964
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: sick and the family members insist on viewing their bodies,

965
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: we would put sheets like up to their neck, and

966
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: sometimes we would even cover their entire face and and

967
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: we would just let their arm out so they could

968
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: just like sit by them and hold their hand and

969
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: rub their arm and stuff. But a lot of times

970
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: you'd like there's been a lot of studies done and

971
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: stuff that says that that could have lasting psychological damage

972
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: on a person more than the actual trauma of the

973
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: death itself. So it happens a lot of times, like

974
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: if a persons found decomposed and a person says, I

975
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: really want to see my son, and then the medical

976
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: examiners say, we definitely highly advise against that, and they

977
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: sometimes they even make you sign a waiver because they know,

978
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: because we know how bad it looks.

979
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and they don't want to get sued.

980
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: So it's the same. And I would argue it's the

981
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: same thing with the reports. And I can even say

982
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: this for myself that after I even read the little

983
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: bit of the report and the summary that was released

984
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: that day after Maria and I sat here and watched

985
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: that sentencing, that I I got like re traumatized, I

986
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: would say, from the crime all over again. It was

987
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: so upsetting to actually hear about these injuries and to

988
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: read about them, and to just think about that being

989
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: your child. I I would avoid it. I wouldn't even

990
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: want to know. I just I wouldn't want to know

991
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: because all I would think about is them laying on

992
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: that table and having all of these injuries and being

993
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: filayed open in front of me, like, I just wouldn't

994
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: want to know.

995
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: Well, you know what that looks like too. So I

996
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: don't think the average person knows exactly how gruesome that

997
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: would be.

998
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just awful. Okay.

999
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: So this person says, just had EMB two sample scent.

1000
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: So what is path looking for?

1001
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: So an EMB is an endometrial biopsy. So sometimes they

1002
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: do that. I've had two of them now. They do

1003
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: it if you have abnormal bleeding or cramping or anything

1004
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: like that. But they also do it in women who

1005
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: especially women who are older in postmenopausal and then all

1006
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden start bleeding. That's like a huge sign

1007
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: of endometrial cancer. Usually in younger people, that's not what

1008
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: they're looking for per se, but they will look for

1009
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: that as well. They'll look for anything that is potentially

1010
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: causing the abnormal bleeding, infections, polyps, endometrial hyperplasia, precancerous changes, fibroids.

1011
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't know if they could really get deep

1012
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: enough to get into the myometrum, which is the muscle

1013
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: under the endometrum, but they could. You know, you could

1014
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: have abnomiosis, which is endometril glands or endometriosis within the

1015
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: wall of the uterus itself, which is usually only a

1016
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: diagnosis set specific after the uterus is taken out, unfortunately.

1017
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: But they're just going to be looking for all those

1018
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: sorts of things to determine and if they can figure

1019
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: out that's why you're having the abnormal bleeding, and that

1020
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: could Like most of the time, I mean both times

1021
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: I got it done, it was like, yeah, you have

1022
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: a couple of polyps and that's it. Like it didn't

1023
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: really give any kind of answers, to be honest with you,

1024
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: So sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Is that something you.

1025
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 2: Get like full blown surgery for or they just take

1026
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: through your vagina? You can.

1027
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: A brave soul might get it done with no anesthesia.

1028
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I know that they can, but often or

1029
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: most times, they will want you to get I don't

1030
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: know if you have to get intubated and stuff. It's

1031
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: more of like a twilight kind of drug, I would say,

1032
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: because you don't. I mean, it's quick once they do it,

1033
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: and they could do it and take it and it

1034
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't know that it requires you to be

1035
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: put all the way out, But I feel like both

1036
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: times that I had it done, it was just a twilight.

1037
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last, what are your thoughts on afterlife?

1038
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you? Hear what you say. First.

1039
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm not really a religious person, but I do, in

1040
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: some world believe there's like I don't know, I believe

1041
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: there's like a higher being or you could be like

1042
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 2: spiritually reconnected to somebody in some capacity, but I don't

1043
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: know what that looks like for me. There's that doesn't

1044
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: look like heaven or Hell per se. Right, It's just

1045
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: this thing that kind of doesn't exist, this in between

1046
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: where you like, if you die you can meet up

1047
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: with people. I don't know, but to me, it's not

1048
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: like as straightforward as heaven or Hell. I don't really

1049
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: believe in God or anything like that, but I do

1050
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: believe in like karma and the universe sending signals and

1051
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: signs and everything like that. But I'm definitely not the

1052
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: type of person that's in the zodiacs or all that

1053
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: shit either. So I think I'm in this weird in between.

1054
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, obviously I think about this

1055
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: a lot because I've had I've been around so many

1056
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: dead people, and I like, you know, we grew up Catholic,

1057
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: and I do like the idea of this fictional world

1058
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: that exists that when a loved one dies, you'll be

1059
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: able to rejoin with them one day, because obviously that

1060
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: makes death a lot easier to handle, because death is

1061
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: so final, and just to think that that's the end

1062
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: of that person is just very it's hard to wrap

1063
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: your brain around. So I wish, I wish and hope

1064
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: that that's the case, that that there's this world where

1065
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: like when my husband and I die and our kids die,

1066
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: that like we'll all be walking around barefoot on clouds

1067
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: in white linen suits and will rejoin each other and

1068
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: be able to hang out again. I guess all of

1069
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: us are just having a theory as to what happens,

1070
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: because nobody knows for sure obviously what really happens, so

1071
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: we all can have our own thoughts of what happens.

1072
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: And I personally think that a lot of you living

1073
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: on in this world afterwards is because of your impact

1074
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: while you're here. So for example, like one of my

1075
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: uncles died when we were when he was pretty young,

1076
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: and we get to still see what he looks like,

1077
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of through his daughters and bring up funny stories

1078
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: about him, so his memory is still living on and like,

1079
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: even though he's not really here, he's still kind of here.

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Speaker 1: And like my uncle Jim died, I'm trying to think,

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Speaker 1: this weekend. It's just like he's still around, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, it's just it's just interesting. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I was yelled at because speaking of uncle Jim,

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Speaker 1: we've never given Sean Walsh a shout out. So Sean,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, I told you to listen today's episode.

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Speaker 1: And also Jim Feely very hurt that we have not

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Speaker 1: brought him up. So we well, I guess we talked

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Speaker 1: about Jimmy. We talked about Jimmy. I saw Jimmy too.

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Speaker 2: By the way, did he did he say anything about.

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Speaker 1: No, I said, I said, oh, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: you on lat week's episode. He was down the shore too.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, my whole point is is that I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's important for people to leave a mark so

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Speaker 1: your memory doesn't go away between your family, your friends,

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Speaker 1: doing good things in the world and things like that.

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Speaker 1: But as far as what happens when we die, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just like, I just think you're you're

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Speaker 1: to go.

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Speaker 2: So you're dead or you're dead dead. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: complicated thing, and I think based on everybody's personal beliefs,

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Speaker 2: they have different versions of it. But I think whatever

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Speaker 2: you need to think to make death a little easier

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Speaker 2: on you is perfectly should be fine in everybody else's eyes.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we are gonna be at Crime Con

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Speaker 1: See you, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's Assistant.

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Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I

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Speaker 1: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,

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Speaker 1: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

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Speaker 1: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 1: Always remember that science is changing every day, and the

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Speaker 1: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

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