WEBVTT - What makes Gorilla Glass strong?

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulett,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting across from me as usually senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>Since you've abandoned me, my whole life has crashed. Won't

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<v Speaker 1>you pick the pieces up? Because it feels just like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking on broken glass. One of the best music

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<v Speaker 1>videos ever. Hugh Laurie is in that music video and

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<v Speaker 1>John Malkovich is in that music video. I didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's funny. Okay, Hugh Laurie. This was

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Laurie pre House, so back when Hugh Laurie was

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<v Speaker 1>still known as the British comedian, not the American dramatic actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Still British actually British dramac actor playing in a wreckon character.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, yes, we were going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>glass related topic today, I studied any Lenox. Oh no, yes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about gorilla glass. That's that is correct

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, gorilla glass for those of you who are

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of all kinds of little electronic things, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>has become very popular um and and some weird way

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of some speculation in the electronics industry because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people want uh there uh smartphones and

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<v Speaker 1>tablets and whatever else that they have that uses glass

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<v Speaker 1>and beeps um to have this glass. Yeah, it's this

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<v Speaker 1>damage resistant glass. It is scratch resistant, it is impact resistant. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very thin, it's lightweight. So it's it's this

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<v Speaker 1>glass that provides a lot of protection but does not

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<v Speaker 1>add uh an appreciable amount to a device's weight or thickness.

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<v Speaker 1>So any any manufacturer that's looking to make really thin, sexy,

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<v Speaker 1>sleek gadgets, this is the sort of stuff they look

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<v Speaker 1>at in order so that you know, they don't sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>ruggedness just to get something sleeking and sexy. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you get a really neat gadget that has let's say

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<v Speaker 1>a touch screen display, and you after like using it

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe a month, you start seeing little scratches or

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<v Speaker 1>nicks in it, that might cheese you off a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Because these things don't tend to be very cheap, right, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to have something that's resistant to damage,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you know you're not you're not you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's falling apart a month after you bought it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it when that happens. And gorilla glass is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a solution to that. Now, gorilla glass is

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<v Speaker 1>a proprietary term, is owned by its trademarked by Corning,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, it's a uh it's an interesting development. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's so odd because you don't normally hear about

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<v Speaker 1>component of gadgets becoming famous on their own, unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a microprocessor, right, yeah, I mean you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, the guts of of things we talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, things like the WE remote and all the

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<v Speaker 1>parts in it are off the shelf pieces. But I

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<v Speaker 1>can't really actually name any of the accelerometers or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other stuff. I mean, I know they're in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know what who makes each chip and

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. And I'm sure there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>that can. It's not like well, yeah, especially people make

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<v Speaker 1>them or are obsessed with it. But let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're picking out a smartphone. You don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>know or care who made the microphone in that smartphone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you might say, I I have my my phone has

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<v Speaker 1>a one gigga Hurts processor in it. Really who made it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You might. You might even know that, So microprocessors you

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<v Speaker 1>might know. And gorilla glass has started to become that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of interesting that gorilla glass could become

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<v Speaker 1>like a rock star in the in the gadget world.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time it is really impressed of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually seen some demonstrations of this glass in person,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got to talk to some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who make it, and it's pretty neat. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>would see a demonstration where they would take a regular

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<v Speaker 1>glass and it was like a little sheet of glass

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<v Speaker 1>as if you would you know, about the size that

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<v Speaker 1>you would see on say a smartphone, all right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would have a little dot on the glass that

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<v Speaker 1>would show you where to concentrate. It was like the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the of the glass. It would be wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>up in in plastic that's resistant to damage, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would give people a little metal uh pointer essentially as

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<v Speaker 1>we're like rounded at the end. And the idea kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a stylis for a yeah, similar to a stylist,

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<v Speaker 1>except even more rounded than that. And the purpose for

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<v Speaker 1>it is to apply pressure to that piece of glass

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<v Speaker 1>to see how much pressure it takes to break the

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<v Speaker 1>piece of glass. And over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw people step up and they come up to

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<v Speaker 1>the first piece that's the untreated glass, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just without very much pressure at all, it shatters all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The second piece of glass was treated glass, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would press against that and they had to put a

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<v Speaker 1>little more effort into it, but eventually it would have

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<v Speaker 1>some cracks or it would even you know, shatter. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they come up to the gorilla glass. And over

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<v Speaker 1>and over I saw people putting their entire weight behind

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, like they're constraining their weight on this tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little point. Right the surface area is very small, so

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure is intense, and yet the gorilla glass was

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<v Speaker 1>standing up to that punishment. And they showed other elements

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like a ball drop test where they would

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<v Speaker 1>uh drop a weight onto the gorilla glass and show

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<v Speaker 1>that it could withstand impacts. And they would do scratch

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<v Speaker 1>tests as well, where they would take say keys and

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<v Speaker 1>scratch it against the glass and regular glass. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you would see these marks and on gorilla glass it

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<v Speaker 1>was really resisting it. So we wanted to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the company of Corning, and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about exactly, well not exactly because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this information is proprietary, but generally how they

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<v Speaker 1>go about creating glass that can withstand this sort of damage. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Corning is a company known for its innovation, UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is certainly not a new player in the world

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<v Speaker 1>of glass. Now Corning is uh. You know, we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>done the history of some companies on here. We probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do the history of Corning, but the Cording website

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<v Speaker 1>actually goes into quite some detail. There's a really cool

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<v Speaker 1>timeline and you look at the stuff that's happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the company's past. I'll just touch on a few of

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<v Speaker 1>these that I thought were relevant. UM. I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>were they were starting in eighteen seventy nine, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is this will give you an idea of of why

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<v Speaker 1>the company might be interested in in innovation and creating

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<v Speaker 1>new products. UM. Corning was one of the companies asked

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with bulbs for Edison's light bulb in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy nine, and eight apparently was about half of

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<v Speaker 1>the company's business was making the bulbs for for light bulbs. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know this is really when in the early

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<v Speaker 1>part of the twentieth century the company really got interested

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<v Speaker 1>in and coming up with new kinds of products. The

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<v Speaker 1>railroad industry asked Corning to come up with glass that

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<v Speaker 1>would resist they could use for railroad lights because the

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<v Speaker 1>railroad industry was was of such critical importance at that

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<v Speaker 1>point in the in the United States history. Um, they

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<v Speaker 1>needed lights that would resist breaking um. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>due to temperature, because they were deployed in all parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the the uh, the country and all over the world, really,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. And the lights need to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>intense so that engineers could conductors could see the lights.

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<v Speaker 1>So that meant that with a really intense light you

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of heat. So the glass had to

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<v Speaker 1>be resistant to heat. Just because of that. That that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, and also the vibration of trains sure um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh also jackalopes um. And in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>h researchers at Corning, Jesse Littleton Um asked his wife

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<v Speaker 1>to his who was named Bessie Jesse and Bessie Um

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<v Speaker 1>he gave her a piece of glass to make a

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<v Speaker 1>cake on UM and the the glass held up to

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of the oven making cake on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>two years later they released Pyrex, the glass that you see,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a Pirex mixing dish at home. Products.

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<v Speaker 1>Used them in a class in school for their they're

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<v Speaker 1>known for their lab products. I didn't realize that Pirates

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a brand name owned by Corning UM. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties UH. Corning was working on cathode ray

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<v Speaker 1>tubes for experimental TVs and they were making regular c

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<v Speaker 1>r T s UM. The J. Franklin Hyde came up

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<v Speaker 1>with silicones, which are sort of a cross between glass

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<v Speaker 1>and plastic. Again, this is kind of UH, this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of related, and they were. They actually ended up

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<v Speaker 1>using related research on things like spacecraft windows and telescope

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors and optical fiber. That's cool. UM s Donald Stookey

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<v Speaker 1>came up with an idea UM for UH working on

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<v Speaker 1>a project in Nineto with photosensitive glass. When the oven overheated,

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<v Speaker 1>but the glass came out and it was milky white.

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<v Speaker 1>And you may have some of this in your house

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<v Speaker 1>if you have Corning where this is where this came from.

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<v Speaker 1>He was trying an experience experiment with photosensitive glass, and

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<v Speaker 1>it turned he realized that it wouldn't break when you

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<v Speaker 1>dropped it. Just on personal note, boy, how do it

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<v Speaker 1>will hurt if you drop it on your foot? But

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<v Speaker 1>it is extremely resilient. I have my mom's old corning

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<v Speaker 1>where that I got his hand me down stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>it it's it's held up very well. UM and then

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<v Speaker 1>in I mean, there's there's many more, but there's one

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to talk about because it really has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with the manufacturing of guerrilla glass.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart Docherty and Clint Shake came up with the fusion

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<v Speaker 1>overflow process UM. And this is a situation where molten

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<v Speaker 1>glass overflows, uh the the um reservoir that it's in,

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<v Speaker 1>and it pours down both sides of a tapered trough.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think of it's sort of like a

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<v Speaker 1>hear drop where it's wide at the top and narrower

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom. The glass is flowing down both sides

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<v Speaker 1>UM and it rejoins and fuses underneath. And they could

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<v Speaker 1>uh this helped Corning develop liquid crystal glass substrates and

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of related to grill inflecturing process. Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into that in a minute. Um, just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other things. Optical fiber was a Corning invention in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy by doctors Robert Maher, Donald Keck, and Peter Schultz.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are incredibly smart. Yeah, well they made it

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<v Speaker 1>in the National Inventor's Hall of Fame and also got

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<v Speaker 1>the National Medal of Technology. Um, catalytic converters and cars.

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<v Speaker 1>That that honeycomb stuff is apparently glass. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that or in at least in some cases. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>then uh, you talk about stem cell research. Um, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a Corning developed a kind of glass called synthemax.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I think it's it's not really glass glass. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a synthetic and animal free surface. Because apparent stem

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<v Speaker 1>cells require animal they to grow animal stem cells, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have animal tissue, and synthomax uh basically takes

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<v Speaker 1>that out of the equation. You can grow stem cells

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<v Speaker 1>on synthomax, thereby preventing you from having to. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>that uh, you know, that's that's pretty neat stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's like science fiction stuff, is what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of is. But you know, just obviously you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard you've probably heard of a lot of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>things like corning Ware and pyrex Um. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that they had such a hand in optical fiber, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something we've done a podcast on but not really

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<v Speaker 1>surprising given the history of the company. But Guerrilla Glass

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<v Speaker 1>does use some of this technology. Because we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the fusion over overflow process and I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>we should really talk about how we make Guerrilla glass

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<v Speaker 1>and how they make Grilla glass. Interesting, So I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been making a lot of it here it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't have the robotic arms necessary for this

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<v Speaker 1>um part. Well, first of all, let's to to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a step back. We'll talk about how you make

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<v Speaker 1>glass in general, because their glasses are naturally occurring substance, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't something chemically made in in you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>is designed by people. This is something that you could

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<v Speaker 1>find in nature. Nature. Yeah, anything where you know, lava flows,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find uh glass, places where the lightning where

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<v Speaker 1>the lightning where lightning, not the lightning, where lightning has

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<v Speaker 1>struck the ground. You can sometimes find glass because it's

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<v Speaker 1>essentially it's sand that's been exposed to intense heat. And

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<v Speaker 1>it melts, and then when it cools, it's it's glass.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that sounds simple, but really that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you start off with. And that's the basic, the most

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<v Speaker 1>basic form of glass. Right. So now commercial glass is

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<v Speaker 1>of course a little more complicated. We don't just dump

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of sand in and melt it down and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get glass. It's uh, it tends to come

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<v Speaker 1>from a you have three main sources where so you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the sand, which is a silicon dioxide that's the

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<v Speaker 1>chemical makeup of sand um and then you've got uh

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the type that that Corning uses. The other

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<v Speaker 1>two types are limestone or sodium carbonate. But Corning uses

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<v Speaker 1>the silicon dioxide. And what they do is they combine

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<v Speaker 1>the silicon dioxide with other chemicals before they melt it down,

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<v Speaker 1>and the once they've added those extra chemicals in, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what all those chemicals are because this

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the proprietary approach Corning takes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly they can't reveal everything because then they would lose

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<v Speaker 1>their their advantage in the market, right correct, So this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is secret stuff. But the secret stuff once

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<v Speaker 1>they melt it all down. The resulting glass is called

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<v Speaker 1>aluminose silicate, and so that essentially what that means is

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<v Speaker 1>that the glass contains aluminum, silicon and oxygen. And uh

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<v Speaker 1>there is one other thing that's in this glass sodium

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<v Speaker 1>ions now, and ion in case you forgot, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it before. But an ion is an atom

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<v Speaker 1>that has either gained or lost an electron and thus

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<v Speaker 1>has a net charge. Adams normally do not in their normally,

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<v Speaker 1>in their natural state, do not have a charge because

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<v Speaker 1>the number of electrons which have a negative charge is

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<v Speaker 1>the same as the number of protons which have a

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<v Speaker 1>positive charge, and the two cancel each other out. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought a little I thought adams didn't carry a charge

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<v Speaker 1>because they they're so small. I don't have wallets. That's

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<v Speaker 1>also a problem, so the jokes are a problem. They

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<v Speaker 1>use PayPal actually, so anyway, the uh So, an ion,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is like we said, it's one that has

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<v Speaker 1>either too few or too many electrons compared to the

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<v Speaker 1>natural state of the element, So it has either a

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<v Speaker 1>positive or negative charge. Now, granted, if it has more

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<v Speaker 1>electrons than normal has a negative charge, it has fewer

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<v Speaker 1>electrons than normal as a positive charge, So the sodium

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<v Speaker 1>ions are part of the structure of this glass. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you can kind of think of this glass once it's melted, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is melted down into this V shaped trough

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<v Speaker 1>that Chris was talking about, and actually they fill up

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<v Speaker 1>the trough and then it starts to overflow the sides

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<v Speaker 1>and they use robot arms. Robotic arms will pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the edges of this very very thin material and pull

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<v Speaker 1>them up to form sheets of glass. Right. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is a little different from the earlier process because from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand that that other process actually want you

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<v Speaker 1>actually wanted the glass to flow down the V and

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<v Speaker 1>basically formed to lay a multi layer piece of glass.

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<v Speaker 1>But the gorilla glass, you don't want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's correct, Well, I think I think what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>that's the initial part of the process. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>proprietary stuff, so we don't know all the details. They

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<v Speaker 1>obbuse skate some of this, but that you have the

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<v Speaker 1>the glass meeting in the middle and fusing. But you

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<v Speaker 1>just keep imagining that that trough fills and fills and

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<v Speaker 1>fills until it reaches the top and then it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to over flow and as it goes down the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>These robotic arms catch the glass, the film of glass

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming off the edge, and lifted up and then

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<v Speaker 1>you cut it into sheets. So you've got the sheets

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<v Speaker 1>of glass, and the glass has the aluminum, it has

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<v Speaker 1>the silicon and oxygen and it and the sodium ions. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>think of the glass as kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about this sort of structure of of these elements.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of it like a net. All right. So the aluminum,

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<v Speaker 1>the silicon, and the auction are forming the rope that

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<v Speaker 1>you would have in a net. So you've got this

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<v Speaker 1>rope net. Now in the holes of that net are

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<v Speaker 1>these sodium ions, al right, and that that gives the

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<v Speaker 1>net a little stiffness. Alright, it's a little it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little uh, it's not as flexible as it would be

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<v Speaker 1>without the sodium. Then you say, well, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>make this stronger? Well, what they do is they dip

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<v Speaker 1>these sheets into a molten salt bath. And what they're

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<v Speaker 1>using is potassium and the potass sum ions. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got potassium ions in this salt bath. The potassium ions

0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.720
<v Speaker 1>actually replace the sodium ions. Now I want all of

0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.439
<v Speaker 1>you to take out your periodic table of elements so everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>get out your periodic table. Well wait, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at your periodic table and you try

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<v Speaker 1>and find sodium on there, I'll I'll give you a hint.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the left side. Uh. You look at that

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<v Speaker 1>first column. You see that sodium is there, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>directly above potassium. So here's the way the elemental table

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<v Speaker 1>is arranged that Chris has his out, I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>not already here, um, but it's arranged so that the

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<v Speaker 1>the when you look at a vertical stack of elements,

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<v Speaker 1>those elements share similar properties. This isn't just arranged by

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<v Speaker 1>weight or willy nilly. The vertical stacks symbolize elements that

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<v Speaker 1>share very similar features. Chris is trying to distract me

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<v Speaker 1>with animation now with his iPad. Stop it anyway. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got sodium directly above potassium. That means that sodium

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<v Speaker 1>and potassium share a lot of the same qualities, but

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<v Speaker 1>sodium is lighter than potassium. Potassium is a larger element,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's got larger atoms that make that's important because

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is when the potassium replaces the sodium in

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<v Speaker 1>this salt bath, the potassium atoms are actually larger, and

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<v Speaker 1>they make that you know, they take up more space

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<v Speaker 1>in those holes in the net. It actually makes the

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<v Speaker 1>material stiffer and more resistant to damage. UM. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty interesting stuff. And the reason why this works

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<v Speaker 1>is because the energy you need to break a molecular bond,

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<v Speaker 1>or an ionic bond in this case. UH, the energy

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<v Speaker 1>you need to break an ionic bond varies depending upon

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<v Speaker 1>the size of the atom. You need more energy to

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<v Speaker 1>break the ionic bond for potassium than you do for sodium.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you heat up that bath at just the

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<v Speaker 1>right temperature and you dip a material like this glass

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<v Speaker 1>that has sodium ions in it, that heat is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be strong enough to break that ionic bond and

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<v Speaker 1>the sodium ions will will part from the structure. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you have to make sure that the heat is

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<v Speaker 1>not too high, because if it's too high, one of

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<v Speaker 1>two things could happen. You would prevent the potassium ions

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<v Speaker 1>from bonding because the energy would be too great for

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<v Speaker 1>them to form an ionic bond. Or you would actually

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<v Speaker 1>reach the melting point of the glass itself and the

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<v Speaker 1>glass would melt into the bath and you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anything to show for it. That that seems like it

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>would be counterproductive yet, right, so you have to find

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<v Speaker 1>just the right temperature and uh, and that's kind of

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.919
<v Speaker 1>what Corning has done. Dy've they've arranged it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's around oh four degrees celsius, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>seven fifty two degrees fahrenheit for this salt bath. More

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<v Speaker 1>or less, it's it's it's toasty so or molten as

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<v Speaker 1>we often say. So the you've got the sodium ions,

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<v Speaker 1>they go away, the potassium ions take their play ace.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes the entire structure much more uh, stiff and

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<v Speaker 1>resistant to damage. You then withdraw the the glass very

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<v Speaker 1>carefully from the molten bath and you let it dry

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<v Speaker 1>and cool and um, and then you've got this compressed material.

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<v Speaker 1>It's and it's compressed because those potassium ions are larger

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<v Speaker 1>than the sodium ions. Um. And just in case you're curious,

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<v Speaker 1>sodium and potassium both belonged to a group of elements

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<v Speaker 1>called active metals, and active metals are are materials that

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<v Speaker 1>react very strongly with with other substances. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the secret, right, that's exactly the well, again, not exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's the general process that Corning uses in order

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<v Speaker 1>to chemically strengthened glass. And there are other there are

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<v Speaker 1>other processes out there that are similar. But like when

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about the demonstration where you had the

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<v Speaker 1>the regular glass, the treated glass, and the gorilla glass,

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the treated glass is glass that's been has gone through

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.399
<v Speaker 1>at least a similar process, but doesn't have all the

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<v Speaker 1>little ements that the corning uses to guarantee a very

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<v Speaker 1>strong compressed material. Yeah. I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>who who own portable electronics that have a glass front

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.080
<v Speaker 1>on it, um probably at least at one point said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know to ourselves, man, glass, that's that's gonna be difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you start looking at things like, um, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that now that we have the two sided phones,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we have glass on more than one side

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<v Speaker 1>of the device. And you're starting to go, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is great, but I dropped my phone a lot, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how am I gonna How am I gonna

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<v Speaker 1>prevent this thing from I might put in my pocket

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<v Speaker 1>where my keys are? Yeah, and I have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've well, I've done that and and had uh my

0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>phone gets scratched up on the non glass surfaces, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think glass, well, it's doomed. Man, Um, why don't

0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they just use plastic? Well, of course, glass is going

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to make the display uh so much more vivid. Um,

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a better material to use. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really impressive that uh there is a material

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<v Speaker 1>that that works so well for that. Of course, Uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other manufacturers have their own, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and other, um proprietary methods for using glass. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is not something that you go by

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and add to you know, you you can't go

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<v Speaker 1>get a piece of grilla glass from Corning and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I like the glass on my you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on my smartphone pretty well. But I'm pretty sure I

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<v Speaker 1>could pry this out and put a piece of grilla glass.

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>And you can't. You can't just go and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like not like a screen protector that you

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<v Speaker 1>would go and buy either a store or a third

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 1>party vendor. I mean you it's it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that gorilla glass is something that's sold directly to manufacturers,

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<v Speaker 1>not to consumers. So so who buys it? Then? Who

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 1>is using this? Big companies? So Sony is one of them,

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and they use gorilla glass on their Bravia line of

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>television sets. You might say, well, gosh, why would you

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>need this on a TV set? Well, you know you

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>can carry your fifty I can give you. I can

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>give you a few different reasons, all right. One if

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you if you got kids for one thing, for one thing. Here,

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 1>here's here's the downside to our our our gadget revolution

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<v Speaker 1>is that we're training ourselves that the way you interact

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<v Speaker 1>with screens is that you touched them. You don't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there are kids who I heard stories from parents.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all anecdotal, I know, but I've heard stories

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<v Speaker 1>from parents who say their kids become used to manipulating

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<v Speaker 1>things like the iPad, and they get used to swiping

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<v Speaker 1>their hands, and then they come up to a television

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 1>they want to change the channel, and they put their

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<v Speaker 1>hand against the TV and start moving their hand around, thinking, well,

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>this is how it works on the iPad, so it

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 1>should work here, and it don't because that's not the

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, the rest of us have been trained that

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<v Speaker 1>we use the remote control to do that. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>get up and change the channel. That's what we had

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<v Speaker 1>to do in the seventies, and we do not want

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.639
<v Speaker 1>to return to those dark days. But of course you

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.879
<v Speaker 1>know that children find out that they can't go up

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, manipulate the TV with the hands.

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>They are ignorant of the dark days of the seventies

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>where you had to get up and turn a switch,

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>or that you have to wear bell bottoms or or

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 1>these polyester suits and listen to the beg's. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting off your your your topic. Yes, and then

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:24.159
<v Speaker 1>of course they find out like Door the explorer friends

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<v Speaker 1>swiper the fox might find out that you can't swipe,

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 1>and then they go, oh, man, that's a bummer. I

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 1>have no idea what you're talking about, by the way,

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that that's a quote, because don't they tell him no swiping.

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a kid, so I don't know what

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>door they explorer anyway, But yes, I know I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say this actually from someone who has young children.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've watched them go up and pound on

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<v Speaker 1>the TV. And you know with a with a crty

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.199
<v Speaker 1>you have as as much thicker than it is with

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<v Speaker 1>flat panel TV. So then something like the Bravio line

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>where it's a flat panel display sex you display. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's here, that's one. Here's two all right, a lot

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of these television's people mount them to walls. Well, if

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>for some reason the mounting goes wrong, then there may

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<v Speaker 1>be a an accident. And you want that glass to

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<v Speaker 1>be strong, because one you want to preserve the integrity

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>of whatever the devices, and two you don't want shattered

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>glass to go everywhere. Glass needs to be a bad

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>thing in the most households. It feels like you're walking

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 1>on broken glass. It does feel like you're walking on

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>broken glass, because all right, anyway, uh so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>second one. Here's the third case, and this is one

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<v Speaker 1>that it's it's already proven because we've seen it happen.

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>You're playing the Wii. You have not put that handstrap

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>around your wrist, and then you swings your sword because

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>link needs to destroy that next monster and it flies

0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>out your hand and into the screen. And because we

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<v Speaker 1>will get complaints if we don't mention this. You could

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<v Speaker 1>also do that with the one from the Sony Move

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>or you know, whatever prop you're using with your Let's

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>say that let's say you're standing too close to the

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>connect and you're playing the boxing game, which I don't

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>recommend doing that. Yeah, use props with a connect. Yes,

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>that's true. You could also Yeah, you could potentially use

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a prop with the connect and then the same thing

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>could happen. In other words, we're swinging a lot of

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff at our televisions these days, and as a result, uh,

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>there's the the chance possibility and there's the chance that

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.959
<v Speaker 1>you could accidentally lose your grip and fling something at

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the TV. And so the gorilla glass is a good

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>way to prevent that from ruining the television and your day. Um.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>But there are other products that also other companies that

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>use gorilla glass. Samsung has used it for the Galaxy Tab,

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and Dell used it for the Dell Streak, and there

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>are lots of other ones. But the thing is that

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the these these agreements between companies are

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<v Speaker 1>not public knowledge, and so Gorilla Corning cannot reveal all

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of its clients because you know, they have agreements that

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 1>are secret, right, nondisclosure exactly. They're in DA's there. So

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, we honestly do not know which gadgets have

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>gorilla glass, which one stone. There are ways to find out,

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but we technically do not want to do that because

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>we like our gadgets and don't want to try and

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>see if we can ruin them. So, um, yeah, those

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>would be the customers. It would be the big corporations,

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>not Joe down the street who wants to put a

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>new a new sheet of glass on his smartphone. Um.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure we're gonna see gorilla glass used in

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot more applications and will price see other competitors

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>try to develop similar products that have, you know, comparable

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>strength to gorilla glass. And Corning isn't gonna rest on

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 1>its laurels. It's not like it's not like that company

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>is gonna say, oh, we found it, let's we're done.

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the history of the company shows they're all

0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>about innovation. Yeah, and for something like glass, you might

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it isn't as sexy as some of

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the other or well you might not necessarily find it

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>as sexy as some of the other, uh different kinds

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>of innovation we've mentioned on this show before, but obviously

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>it plays an important part and the things that we

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 1>use every day. So yeah, and here's just a little

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>piece of trivia. I think it's kind of cool that

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't deal directly with gorilla glass, but more with the

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>whole ion exchange process. This is something It sounds like

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty new, like this is this is something that

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe dates back to the sixties, you know, like that

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 1>that's when we first started figuring out how to do

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>this ion exchange thing. But the truth is it dates

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>way back earlier than that, because stained glass uses a

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>similar process in which you add certain metals to a

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>glass mixture in order to create the various colors. And it's, um,

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's this these metal oxides that you add to molten

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>glass that gives stained glass and you know those vibrant

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>but like cobalt blue. It's cobalt that's what adding to

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the glass mixture in order to do it. And it's

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>using the same sort of process of an ion exchange

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and really really hot molten glass. So um so yeah, this,

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>this whole process that that Corning is using is something

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that dates back centuries. They've just refined it to an

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>exact science and that's really really good for those of

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>us who like our gadgets unscratched. Yes, I am one

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of those people. I do not like scratching my gadgets

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>unless they're itchy. Alright, So on that note, let's wrap

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