WEBVTT - Harry Lewis Kramer: The Ad Man Who Marketed Medicine As Candy

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<v Speaker 2>In the mid eighteen nineties, Harry Kramer's Sterling Remedy Company,

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<v Speaker 2>found in Attica, Indiana, introduced a product called Cascarettes candy

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<v Speaker 2>cathartic cascarettes were laxatives, and the product blew away its competition,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of that had to do with how

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<v Speaker 2>it was marketed, which was really a stroke of brilliance

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<v Speaker 2>kind of. Harry advertised the product as candy, and historians

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<v Speaker 2>believe he may have been the first to have marketed

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<v Speaker 2>medicine in that way. They were brown tablets, so nothing

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<v Speaker 2>special there, but they had a quote pleasant taste, almost

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<v Speaker 2>as pleasant as chocolate. In just a few years. By

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety nine, they'd become so popular that more than

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<v Speaker 2>five million boxes were purchased annually. Harry, an entrepreneur who

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<v Speaker 2>was adept at advertising and maybe that's an understatement, was

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<v Speaker 2>only thirty eight years old at the time. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>meet this advertising sensation. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Mariage from Markie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Holly Frye. Cascarettes were wildly successful, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were not the first product developed and marketed through Harry's

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<v Speaker 1>Sterling Remedy Company. We'll come back to how successful those

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<v Speaker 1>laxatives were and why. But they may not have been

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<v Speaker 1>so popular if he hadn't first started producing a chewing

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<v Speaker 1>gum to help people quit smoking. Tobacco called No to Back.

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<v Speaker 1>It was advertised to everyone, and initially no Toback was

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<v Speaker 1>manufactured and marketed with less than one hundred dollars in capital,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's less than the equivalent roughly of four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars today, and this product was considered the quote original

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed tobacco habit cure. The product tagline, which Harry Kramer

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<v Speaker 1>wrote himself on a rented typewriter because he was not wealthy,

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<v Speaker 1>was quote don't tobacco spit and smoke your life away.

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<v Speaker 1>His advertising for the gum ran on a small budget,

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<v Speaker 1>but it appeared in newspapers across the country and it

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<v Speaker 1>brought in big results. The alleged cure built up a

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<v Speaker 1>successful money making mail order business for Harry. No tobac

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<v Speaker 1>contained licorice gentchen violet, which is an anti fungal and

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<v Speaker 1>might be carcinogenic. Guayak gum. Guayak has been used as

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<v Speaker 1>a food additive for a very long time, and possibly

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<v Speaker 1>ammonium chloride salt, a key ingredient in Scandinavian salt licorice,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike today's nicotine gum, which is formulated with nicotine to

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<v Speaker 1>help you kick your cravings. No tobac would have only

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<v Speaker 1>provided a temporary distraction from smoking cigarettes, pipes and cigars.

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<v Speaker 1>It contained no ingredient to actually help you with your

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<v Speaker 1>nicotine addiction. It just gave you something else to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The success of No to Back buoyed the development and

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<v Speaker 2>launch of Cascaretes. When it came to his products, Harry's

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<v Speaker 2>advertising was the real success story here, and that's true

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<v Speaker 2>for all the things he produced. According to the Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Genevieve fair Play newspaper out of Missouri, in nineteen oh four,

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<v Speaker 2>his daily newspaper advertising investment quote grew to over three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars a year, and he has counted as

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<v Speaker 2>one of the greatest authorities on the science of advertising

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. His delight to see the working of

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<v Speaker 2>the enormous advertising machine which he set in motion a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago, and his ambition is best illuminated by

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<v Speaker 2>an expression made use of to a friend recently. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>my boy, we'll get right when we make money faster

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<v Speaker 2>than we can spend it for advertising. And that quote

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<v Speaker 2>is Harry in a nutshell. And by the way, that

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand dollars is roughly equivalent to more than

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<v Speaker 2>eleven million dollars in today's money.

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<v Speaker 1>Like not to back, cascarettes were developed by Sterling Remedy Company.

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<v Speaker 1>A cascara based laxative was absolutely not a new light

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<v Speaker 1>bulb Idea Druggists had been prescribing it as a remedy

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<v Speaker 1>for constipation and related ill since shortly before Harry's product

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<v Speaker 1>hit the market, starting in roughly eighteen seventy seven. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>also sold options such as castor oil, sasparilla, and quote

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<v Speaker 1>fig liver syrups. Cascara came from the bark of a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>a bitter tasting bark of a species of buckthorn tree

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<v Speaker 1>native to the Pacific Northwest, northern California, and Idaho. The

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<v Speaker 1>keyword there is bitter. Indigenous people living on the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>coast and in the Northern Rockies used it as a

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<v Speaker 1>natural laxative, often mixed with aloe and the roots of rhubarb.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the nineteenth century, buckthorn bark was

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<v Speaker 1>being shipped out of the Pacific Northwest to pharmaceutical companies

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<v Speaker 1>around the United States and around the world in such

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<v Speaker 1>high quantities that it endangered the tree's survival, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that bark was going right to the factories

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<v Speaker 1>belonging to the Sterling Remedy Company in both Chicago and

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<v Speaker 1>New York. The company backed its product launch with a

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars advertising push. It's roughly equivalent to

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen million dollars today. Consider that number in contrast to

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<v Speaker 1>the relatively meager capital they had backing No to back,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry had come a very long way in a very

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<v Speaker 1>short time, and that advertising push included incentives to retail

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<v Speaker 1>druggists as well. By nineteen oh nine, the Neuralgelene Company

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<v Speaker 1>purchased the Sterling Remedy Company, and by nineteen fourteen Caskeretes

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<v Speaker 1>were also being produced in Wheeling, West Virginia. Harry, although

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<v Speaker 1>he did not own the company anymore, remained invested until

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<v Speaker 1>roughly nineteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>According to marketing materials from the Sterling Remedy Company and

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<v Speaker 2>eventually also Jeline, there was a singular use for cascarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>They were a laxative for relieving constipation the end right, Well, actually, no,

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about a product made and sold in

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<v Speaker 2>a time when patent medicines were very popular, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not they worked as claimed. So did it

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<v Speaker 2>work or was Harry's advertising prowess behind the success? Well both.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we'll talk more about bowels and marketing materials, but

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<v Speaker 2>first we're going to take a break for a word

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<v Speaker 2>from our sponsors, and we will meet you right back here.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. So did cascaretes work?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find out, So let's talk about efficacy first. Researchers

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<v Speaker 2>at Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital once declared quote, cascareicides increase

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<v Speaker 2>intestinal motility and lead to propulsive contractions. In simple terms,

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<v Speaker 2>that means that the ingredient moved your bowels. Cascara used

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<v Speaker 2>to be FDA approved as an over the counter drug

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<v Speaker 2>to relieve constipation, but in the early two thousands, though

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<v Speaker 2>it was banned by the FDA from being sold as

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<v Speaker 2>a drug. Modern research discovered the plant may have potentially

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<v Speaker 2>carcinogenic properties, at least in lab rats, but they reported

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<v Speaker 2>there was inadequate data on human toxicity and if there's ambiguity,

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<v Speaker 2>that's enough to take a product off the shelves. In addition,

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<v Speaker 2>their testing also didn't provide enough evidence to prove the

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<v Speaker 2>active ingredient as a drug worked as advertised.

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<v Speaker 1>However, legally, despite all of this, Cascara products can still

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<v Speaker 1>be marketed as supplements. The difference between drug and supplement matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike when Harry was making in mark marketing cascaretes. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the FDA mandates testing and other measures of proof of

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<v Speaker 1>an over the counter drug safety and efficacy. Dietary supplements,

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<v Speaker 1>which the FDA treats as food rather than medicine, aren't

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<v Speaker 1>Since the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four, the FDA isn't authorized to approve dietary supplements

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<v Speaker 1>for their safety and effectiveness before they're marketed, and products

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<v Speaker 1>can hit the shelves without the FDA even knowing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>What that means for Cascara is that while these products

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<v Speaker 1>aren't approved by the FDA as over the counter drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>they may still be sold in the United States as

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<v Speaker 1>dietary supplements or short term relief of constipation, and these

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<v Speaker 1>supplements are available in various forms, including tea syrup, powder,

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<v Speaker 1>or tablets.

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<v Speaker 2>While cascara wasn't the active ingredient that was novel in

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<v Speaker 2>this product, the idea to make the bitter bark taste

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<v Speaker 2>LiLine candy was who would choose a bit of remedy

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<v Speaker 2>over a sugar coated version right. The candy Cathartic was

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<v Speaker 2>packaged in pocket sized rectangular metal boxes which contained six

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<v Speaker 2>octagonal tablets and sold for a dime a box. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know until you try how much good is

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<v Speaker 2>crowded into a little ten cent box, stated one of

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<v Speaker 2>Harry's advertising slogans. His Caskerets would go on to become

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most successful and booming and prosperous over

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<v Speaker 2>the counter pharmaceuticals during a time when he was competing

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<v Speaker 2>with many often shady and unregulated proprietary medicines that made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of bunk but often attractive claims.

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<v Speaker 1>His product worked, and he was a master at letting

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<v Speaker 1>everybody know it. Nicknamed Cascarett Kramer. From the turn of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century until about the First World War, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>ran a massive national advertising campaign that included every American

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<v Speaker 1>as a potential customer, men, women, old, young everyone. His

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<v Speaker 1>biggest hits came from his campaign that targeted the candy

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Candy Cathartic at moms and kids. Much

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<v Speaker 1>of the marketing that Harry prepared for this particular campaign

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<v Speaker 1>had little to do with caskeret's laxative properties, although his

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<v Speaker 1>copy always told you what his products could do. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the sugar coated alternative that helped the medicine

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<v Speaker 1>go down that he really emphasized. They were a sweet

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<v Speaker 1>substitute for the notoriously gross castor oil that was a

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<v Speaker 1>popular go to laxative commonly administered by American mothers. Kids,

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed wouldn't even realize they were taking medication. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>They are harmless and safe for the little folks, even

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<v Speaker 1>nursing infants, his advertising claimed, would benefit if nursing moms

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<v Speaker 1>took cascarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time when this sort of thing wasn't a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry often paid to have his longer form written advertisements

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<v Speaker 2>run in the regular news columns of newspapers. Basically, he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote marketing copy masquerading as health news. In the eighteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>the back pages of most small town American newspapers were

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<v Speaker 2>filled with advertisements for all kinds of patent medicines, and

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to his fake news advertisements in the newspapers,

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<v Speaker 2>Harry also ran small trade ads, many of which were

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<v Speaker 2>illustrated in these back pages as well. He hit all

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<v Speaker 2>the editorial and advertorial spots he could. Readers of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hood River Sun in eighteen ninety nine were met with

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<v Speaker 2>this short ad for cascarettes, and well, I say short,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is short for Harry. Quote after eating a

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<v Speaker 2>bloated belly, belching of gas from the stomach, a foul,

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<v Speaker 2>ill smelling scurf on the tongue, dizziness, headache, a sour

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<v Speaker 2>rising and spitting up of half digested food, its bowel bloat.

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<v Speaker 2>His copy continued and continued to get more gross. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>When the bowels stop working, they become filled with putrid,

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<v Speaker 2>rotting matter, forming poisonous gases that go through the whole body.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't have a regular natural movement of the

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<v Speaker 2>bowels at least once a day, your fate is bowel bloat.

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<v Speaker 2>There's only one way to set it right. Clean yourself

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<v Speaker 2>out gently but thoroughly, and tone up your bowels with

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<v Speaker 2>cascaretes ten cents, twenty five cents, fifty cents all druggists.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry also promised quote to any needy mortal suffering from

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<v Speaker 2>bowel troubles and too poor to buy cascarettes, we will

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<v Speaker 2>send a box free address company Chicago or New York,

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning advertisement and paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Constipation, though, wasn't just considered infrequent bowel movements. Around the

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the twentieth century, the American public didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>associate it with gas and abdominal discomfort. While his product

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<v Speaker 1>was advertised as a cure for constipation, constipation was considered

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<v Speaker 1>to be a sort of root of all health evils,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant that Cascarets Candy Cathartic was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>cure for anything and everything that was wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cascarettes Candy Cathartic, Harry asserted in his advertising could cure everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and the list included, of course constipation, but also unrelated

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<v Speaker 1>complaints like heartburn, colds, bad breath, appendicitis, ulcers, eggzema, and

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<v Speaker 1>even headaches.

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<v Speaker 2>And more amazingly, Cascaretes stated Harry could help cure even sunstroke,

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<v Speaker 2>a heat related illness. His advertisements claimed you could acquire

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<v Speaker 2>because you weren't well, you weren't pooping. Specifically, one ad

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote claimed quote, the summer's awful heat will kill

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<v Speaker 2>those not fit to resist it, those whose bodies are

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<v Speaker 2>full of poison because they have neglected their bowels. Dizziness, heat, headaches,

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<v Speaker 2>six stomachs, restless nights, terrible pains, cramps in the bowels,

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<v Speaker 2>sudden death on the street, all result from this neglect.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep yourself clean, pure and healthy inside disinfected as it were,

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<v Speaker 2>with cascarettes candy Cathartic, the greatest antiseptic bowel tonic ever discovered,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will find that every form of summer disease

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<v Speaker 2>will be effectively prevented by cascarettes candy Cathartic. Harry was persuasive,

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<v Speaker 2>and that sudden death on the street because of constipation,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yikes. Will take two boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, we're going to take a break for

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<v Speaker 1>a word from our sponsors, and when we're back, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about harry so called medical manifesto and the business

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<v Speaker 1>that he got into after the success of Cascaretes.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Harry's career did not end with

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<v Speaker 2>his successful cascarettes product, and he went on to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in mineral springs. But first, as promised, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this medical manifesto of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>In the April twenty fifth, nineteen oh seven edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Indianapolis News, Harry ran a full page ad and

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen it referred to as his medical manifesto.

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<v Speaker 1>And though coming from a man with no medical training whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>which made us both laugh and cry, he gets into

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty deep talk about bowels and disease for something

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<v Speaker 1>that's technically an advertising statement. This piece was called the

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<v Speaker 1>Curse of Constipation, and it was considered a quote warning

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<v Speaker 1>that all should read and heed. Here's part of what

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<v Speaker 1>Harry had to say about your bowels in the full

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<v Speaker 1>page ad and hang in there with us because it

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<v Speaker 1>is a little wordy quote. Constipation is in the curse

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<v Speaker 1>of mankind. From a simple bit of carelessness, this dreadful

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<v Speaker 1>destroyer of life gets a hold on his victim and

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<v Speaker 1>slowly but surely tortures him to a horrible death. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a fact that all people, at some time or

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<v Speaker 1>another become constipated, and if the warning be not instantly

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<v Speaker 1>heated and the system put back into working order without delay,

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<v Speaker 1>the victim is marked for death, a long lingering one,

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<v Speaker 1>often so disguised that no one would dream of its

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<v Speaker 1>original cause. It is also true that nearly every disease

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<v Speaker 1>recorded by medical science has its beginning in constipation. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>great learned men have said that if people would learn

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<v Speaker 1>to keep their bowels in order, there would be no disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor B. Howard Rand, the great professor of chemistry in

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<v Speaker 1>the famous Jefferson Medical College, always said to his students,

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<v Speaker 1>trust in God and keep your patience bowels open. Harry

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<v Speaker 1>went on in this manifesto to describe in great detail

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<v Speaker 1>how cascaretes quote begin to cure the moment you begin

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<v Speaker 1>to chew them, giving tone and strength to the walls

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<v Speaker 1>of your intestine. He continued, they gave quote, a ruddy complexion,

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<v Speaker 1>bright eyes, clear active brain, everything that makes life worth living.

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<v Speaker 2>Cascaretes became so well known from the heavy marketing and

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<v Speaker 2>advertising Harry put behind the product that the brand name

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<v Speaker 2>entered the American popular vocabulary of the time. If you

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<v Speaker 2>were in the market for a laxative, for instance, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably would have asked your druggist for Cascaretes rather than

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<v Speaker 2>using the non brand word purgative or cathartic. For many consumers,

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<v Speaker 2>the words had just become interchangeable. How the brand seeped

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<v Speaker 2>into American culture too, is amazing. In nineteen oh four,

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<v Speaker 2>a polo team in Anderson, Indiana, took the name Anderson Cascaretes,

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<v Speaker 2>and in New York City night shift bank employees were

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<v Speaker 2>nicknamed Cascaretes because they quote work while you sleep. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a nickname with a lot to unpack.

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<v Speaker 1>The success of Cascaretes allowed Harry enough clout to attract

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<v Speaker 1>investors to establish his next big thing, the Indian Mineral

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<v Speaker 1>Springs Health Resort, which was later renamed the Hotel Madlavia

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<v Speaker 1>near Fall Creek Gorge and Warren County, Indiana. We would

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<v Speaker 1>be remiss if we didn't note that Harry campaigned to

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<v Speaker 1>rename that town to Kramer, and the residents agreed. The

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<v Speaker 1>mineral spring was discovered in eighteen eighty four by Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War veteran Samuel's story. Samuel had suffered with severe arthritis,

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<v Speaker 1>but he noticed his joint stiffness and pain improved when

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<v Speaker 1>he spent time in the mud. Harry's lavish hotel capitalized

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<v Speaker 1>on that story and offered its guests soothing mud baths.

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<v Speaker 1>His resort, Spa all So, featured an elaborate Chinese garden

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<v Speaker 1>in the backyard where you would find mineral waters bubbling

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<v Speaker 1>out of the hills. Mineral waters believe to relieve a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of bodily ailments.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors at the facility offered what was called a therapeutic

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<v Speaker 2>quote magno mud cure. This treatment, which was just mud

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<v Speaker 2>infused with water or water infused with mud, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>who described it, was intended to relieve aching joints and muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the resorts therapies for kidneys and livers weren't as

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<v Speaker 2>heavily advertised, those treatments provided at the spa also allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>improved their function.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hotel Midlavia Health Spa attracted the rich and famous,

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<v Speaker 1>including big names of the time such as boxing champion

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<v Speaker 1>John L. Sullivan, Indianapolis poet James Witcomb Riley, and songwriter

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Dresser. Newspapers touted at as quote one of the

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<v Speaker 1>finest sanitariums in the United States, and it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was ranked with the great mineral baths at French Lick, Indiana, Bedford, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hot Springs, Arkansas. In advertising his health Spa, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>very smartly made sure he placed his ads and often

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<v Speaker 1>his face along with them, in as many small town

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<v Speaker 1>American newspapers as he could manage, just as he did

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<v Speaker 1>with his other products. Printer's Inc. The first American trade

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<v Speaker 1>magazine on print advertising, declared Harry to be quote a

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<v Speaker 1>man of almost superhuman energy. He writes his own advertisements,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which are characterized by wonderful originality and a

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<v Speaker 1>desire to get out of the beaten track. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>not only did Harry often include his own face in

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<v Speaker 1>his advertisements, he had long included tongue in cheek illustrations

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<v Speaker 1>that highlighted funny conversations and situations between kids and moms

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<v Speaker 1>in his Cascarettes ads.

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<v Speaker 2>On February twenty ninth, nineteen twenty, however, a fire that

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<v Speaker 2>ignited in a linen closet earned Hotel Madvevia to the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving many patients, some who were afflicted with rheumatic symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>like painful, stiff and tender joints, to barely escape with

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. Local reports noted that more than fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in jewels belonging to those patients were lost in

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<v Speaker 2>the fire. Initially, Harry planned to rebuild, but with the

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<v Speaker 2>discovery of penicillin in nineteen twenty eight, plus the demise

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<v Speaker 2>of American health spas due to the Great Depression, people

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't afford to visit them, and he never did.

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<v Speaker 2>Long after his death, a retirement home and restaurant were

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<v Speaker 2>built on the site, but they too tragically burned down

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is Harry Lewis Kramer, who was born in Kuka, Iowa,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty one, and who grew up to be

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<v Speaker 1>what historians have called one of the most energetic and

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary advertisers of his day. He retired in Lafayette, Indiana,

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<v Speaker 1>and he died of a heart attack at age seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four in nineteen thirty five. As the story goes, he

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<v Speaker 1>was stricken while visiting the DMV. Many of us have

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<v Speaker 1>imagined that we have passed at the.

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<v Speaker 2>DMV, so many DMV jerkes.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like a little sip of something that cures

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<v Speaker 1>what ails?

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<v Speaker 2>You send a little sugarcoated perhaps?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yes. In fact, in getting particularly towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of Harry's story, I wanted to do something that incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of mud and also had a chocolatey note

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and also felt a little bit like a

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<v Speaker 1>health drink. This involves something we have never used before

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. I'm calling it mud Cure. Come along

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<v Speaker 1>with me into your tin. You're shaking tin. You are

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<v Speaker 1>going too poor. Four ounces of a vanilla protein shake

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<v Speaker 1>like any of those little bottled kinds you get right.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually had one that has a cake flavor to it,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have some leeway here, because I also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>something that was a little like a milkshake but is

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<v Speaker 1>not as indulgent and as the healthy version. Four ounces

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<v Speaker 1>of protein shake. Then you were gonna add about one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half barspoons of like a hot cocoa mixed powder.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really like chocolate, you can go up to two.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't like chocolate, drop it to one, but

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<v Speaker 1>you want a little in there, an ounce and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of tequila and a half ounce of vanilla liqueur,

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<v Speaker 1>and then three dashes of angusterra bitters because remember cascara

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<v Speaker 1>very bitter. I hit this with my frother first to

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<v Speaker 1>get everything really well incorporated. Because you're working with a powder,

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<v Speaker 1>it does incorporate pretty easily, because that's how hot chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>powder is designed. But with the frother, it just made

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<v Speaker 1>it really rich and creamy. So I did that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I shook it with ice also a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I poured it over fresh ice and sprinkled

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<v Speaker 1>it with a little additional hot cocoa powder as kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a garnish. This may be one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous drinks I've ever created, because you can't tell it

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of tequila in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally want to sprinkle a little bit of like

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<v Speaker 2>grainbow sprinkles or chocolate sprinkle on the top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely could. It feels like it would work, because the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's nice about it is it's cold and deserty,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not heavy like a milkshake. Would be heavier

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<v Speaker 1>obviously than some drinks, because a protein shake has some

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<v Speaker 1>weight to it, but it's still much lighter than what

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<v Speaker 1>it tastes like it should be, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not ice cream.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not ice cream, but it tastes as good as

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream. And it is a little bit dangerous but

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<v Speaker 1>also very refreshing. If you want to do a mocktail

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<v Speaker 1>version of this, obviously you're not dumping tequila in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would do alo juice there. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it a little on the thicker side, I

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<v Speaker 1>would dial back. Instead of an ounce and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>I would go to an ounce. You can use an

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<v Speaker 1>ounce and a half. You're just gonna have like a

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<v Speaker 1>thinner texture and it'll be a little bit softer in

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<v Speaker 1>flavor throughout, and then instead of vanilla liqueur, you just

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<v Speaker 1>use a little vanilla syrup. The rest of it is

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<v Speaker 1>the same. If you don't want to use bitterers, because

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<v Speaker 1>some people that are absolutely zero alcohol don't, you can

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<v Speaker 1>drop a little salt in there, or if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do a saline mixture, that's fine too. The mocktail

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<v Speaker 1>is also delicious, and it feels healthy at that point

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<v Speaker 1>because there's not much bad stuff in it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I put my sprinkles on top, then it's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Even the syrup is only a half ounce, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot. And if you do like a low

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<v Speaker 1>sugar or a sugar free one, you're golden both versions.

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<v Speaker 1>If you wanted to use in lieu of cream or

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<v Speaker 1>milk in your coffee, delicious, great for your after dinner

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<v Speaker 1>coffee because it's got a little mocha note. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you can't taste that tequila, but the bitterers

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<v Speaker 1>do something really cool where they they make it so

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<v Speaker 1>you taste the flavors more than their sweetness, if that.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense, does make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like you taste the cocoa powder rather than this

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<v Speaker 1>tastes like a pat an envelope a packet of hot

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<v Speaker 1>cocoa mix. You taste the chocolatey note, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as heavy. That is what we're calling mud Cure this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yummy delicious. I don't know, I was just feeling kooky,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's very good for you because of that protein shake.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how it combines a couple of Harry's product interests.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm sure Harry could market it as some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of oh absolute healthcare. Harry cracks me up. We hope

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<v Speaker 1>he cracks you up too. We want to thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for hanging out with us while we talk about Harry

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<v Speaker 1>and delicious protein shake based cocktails. We will be right

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<v Speaker 1>back here again next week with another story of snake

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<v Speaker 1>oil and another cocktail to go with it. Criminalia is

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