WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Heartache Tonight

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The There's gonna be a heartache tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>A heartache tonight, I know. Addition, as we look back

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<v Speaker 1>at Sunday's Burrow versus Baker shootout at Paul Brown Stadium

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately won by the Cleveland Browns thirty seven to thirty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, you'll hear radio replays, postgame comments from players

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<v Speaker 1>and coaches, and in depth analysis for my broadcast partner

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Lapham. And this week's fun facts segment is with

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver Mike Thomas. If you're still grumpy from Sunday's

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<v Speaker 1>final score, I promise you my conversation with Mike Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>will put a smile on your face. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>media relations staff before the pandemic. I was pretty self

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient when it came to doing my job. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>locker room was opened several days a week so I

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<v Speaker 1>would get to know the players, set up my interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>and gather the material I need for broadcasting the games

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<v Speaker 1>and hosting our weekly radio shows. Well that's not possible

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Reporters are not allowed inside of NFL locker

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<v Speaker 1>rooms because of COVID nineteen. So everybody that covers the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals has been relying on the team's media relations staff

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<v Speaker 1>of Emily Parker, PJ Combs, Pete Shram, and Laura top

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<v Speaker 1>and they have been doing an amazing job of helping

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<v Speaker 1>us as we try to inform you. So Emily, PJ, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>and Laura, thanks a million from everybody on the Bengals beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Your hard work is truly appreciated. Now let's get to

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday's game. It certainly started well for the Bengals as

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<v Speaker 1>they opened the game with a seventy yard drive that's

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<v Speaker 1>set up first and goal at the two yard line.

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<v Speaker 1>Burrowing the shotgun Bernard to his left, Burrow fakes a

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<v Speaker 1>handoff throws into the end zone. It's patted in the

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<v Speaker 1>year and intercepted in the end zone. That's the second

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<v Speaker 1>time this year that Burrow has been intercepted in the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone. It happened from the one yard line against

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<v Speaker 1>Jacksonville when Miles jack ripped the ball away from Drew Sample,

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<v Speaker 1>But two plays after the Brown's interception, Baker Mayfield returned

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<v Speaker 1>the favor. Now he takes the snap, drops back five steps.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna throw it down field for Odell back two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's intercepted by Darius Phillips, running it back to the thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty five, and he'll be drigged down at the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four yard line. So Baker Mayfield, who has picked

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<v Speaker 1>off twice in the regular season finale last year by

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Phillips, is picked off on his first throw today

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bengals on her back, and that led to

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<v Speaker 1>the game's first score. Second and goal inside the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow is under center again, takes the snap, runs another

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback ban Joe Burrow should be in here. Come the

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<v Speaker 1>officials to check it out, and there's the touchdown signal.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals had an early lead, but the Browns have

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Garrett Burrow back to pass being chased by Miles

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<v Speaker 1>gard who pokes the ball away Cleveland and Cincinnati scrambling

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<v Speaker 1>after the loose ball, it goes out of bounds. Miles

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett with a strip sack and the Browns recovered before

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<v Speaker 1>it went out of bounds, apparently one of two sacks

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<v Speaker 1>for Miles Garrett, who is up to nine for the season.

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<v Speaker 1>The forced fumble was his fourth. It led to a

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<v Speaker 1>field goal that made it seven to three. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>answered with a Randy bullockfield goal four minutes into the

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<v Speaker 1>second quarter that made it ten to three. At that point,

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow had one hundred and fifty two passing yards and

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield had zero. He was over five with an interception,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Browns quarterback would not throw another incomplete pass

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<v Speaker 1>until there were sixteen seconds left in the game. Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>creeping up on the defensive line, Mayfield with time his

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<v Speaker 1>pass caught for a touchdown by Bryants. That three yard

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed by rookie tight end Harrison Bryant tied the game

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<v Speaker 1>at ten with three forty two left in the half,

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<v Speaker 1>and Burrow went to work, orchestrating a seventy five yard

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<v Speaker 1>drive that not only ended with a touchdown but showed

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<v Speaker 1>up the clock. Second and goal from the eleven twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two seconds left. The Bengals are out of timeouts. Burrow

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<v Speaker 1>back to pass, good pocket throws into the end zone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's intended for touchdown Bengals as Tyler Boy caught it

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<v Speaker 1>right on the white stripe. The ball passed the white stripe,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty was driven back out onto the playing field, but

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<v Speaker 1>the touchdown signal was given with fifteen seconds left in

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<v Speaker 1>the half seventeen ten. Bengals. His Burrow through for two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thirty four yards in the first half. Here's Aj

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<v Speaker 1>Green being out there with him and then watching his

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<v Speaker 1>demeter in the huddle that he never flinches. He never

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<v Speaker 1>had any doubt in his mind that we wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>out down there and score. And he's special man. That

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<v Speaker 1>guy gonna be a great one. So I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 1>got him here. Aj by the way, had another solid game,

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<v Speaker 1>finishing with seven catches for eighty two yards. The second

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<v Speaker 1>half became a Burrow versus Baker shootout. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>punts and no turnovers, just a bunch of points. After

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<v Speaker 1>Mayfield threw his second touchdown pass to Harrison Bryant to

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<v Speaker 1>tie the score at seventeen, the Bengals drove to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland four before settling for a Randy Bullock field goal.

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<v Speaker 1>It gave Cincinnati a twenty to seventeen league going to

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter, but getting three instead of seven proved

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<v Speaker 1>costly because the Bengals could not stop Baker Mayfield. Second

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<v Speaker 1>and seven, Mayfield drops back to throw into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>It is caught for the Cleveland Browns touchdown. David Najoku

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<v Speaker 1>with the catch, and the Browns have taken the lead

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<v Speaker 1>in the first two minutes of the fourth quarter. Good throw.

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<v Speaker 1>The coverage by Von Bell was good, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect throw by Baker Mayfield, and former first round

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<v Speaker 1>draft pick David Njoku hauled it in. After starting the

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<v Speaker 1>game over five, Baker Mayfield set a Brown's record by

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<v Speaker 1>completing twenty one consecutive passes. The NFL record is twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Zach Taylor. He was hot. He was hot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you gotta give credit to him. And we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>make some plays. There was a bunch of snaps a

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<v Speaker 1>man covers there where they made the plays and we

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<v Speaker 1>did not. And yet Joe Burrow kept bringing the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>bad second and ten at the Cleveland sixteen yard line,

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<v Speaker 1>empty backfield for Joe Burrow. He catches the shotgun snap

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow bouncing in the pocket. His throw, caught at the

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<v Speaker 1>ten yard line, breaks it the five yeah and runs

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<v Speaker 1>in straight into the end zone. Touchdown Bengals. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>tee him. The Bengals have the lead in the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter with eight forty five to go. That lead lasted

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<v Speaker 1>for roughly four minutes. Mayfield swings it out to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>caught by Kareem Hunt, and he will cruise into the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone with nobody within five yards. The Browns have

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<v Speaker 1>the lead again with four minutes and fifty three seconds left.

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<v Speaker 1>Touchdown past number four for Mayfield. The Browns up by four.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fourth quarter. Once again, Burrow calmly marched the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals down the field like a ten year veteran, twelve

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<v Speaker 1>yards to t Higgins, fifteen to Tyler Boyd, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>to Mike Thomas, and a twelve yard quarterback draw for

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<v Speaker 1>a first down on third and eleven. After nine plays,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals faced a critical decision with time winding down

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<v Speaker 1>one o nine left in regulation. The Bengals trailed by

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<v Speaker 1>four points. They have it fourth and inches near the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Browns two yard line. Burrow is under center, the

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<v Speaker 1>running back is p Rhine. Burrow with a long count,

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<v Speaker 1>stops the right foot. Te Higgins goes in motion notes

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<v Speaker 1>actually Giovanni Bernard gotta. Burrow throws for Bernard, he catches

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<v Speaker 1>the touchdown. Bengals gutsie call and the Bengals capitalized as

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<v Speaker 1>they throw it on fourth and inches and Burrow throws

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<v Speaker 1>that touchdown pass to Giovanni Bernard. I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow, you talk about, Joe cool, here's Giovanni Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>on the go ahead score. It was just a good call, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the things that I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>is a coach, Hay, They're giving me that opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to, you know, to do the play you know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and to have called it. You know, it's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those situations and UM and a play that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you work on for a while and you know you

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<v Speaker 1>bring it out when you need it most, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow finished with a career high four hundred six passing

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<v Speaker 1>yards with three touchdown throws and one touchdown run. Most impressively,

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<v Speaker 1>he directed too long to drives in the fourth quarter

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<v Speaker 1>that turned deficits into leads. You know, it is exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I expect myself to do that every week.

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<v Speaker 1>On my hand, at the end of the game, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable and confident that I'm going to go down and

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<v Speaker 1>make the play to win. Unfortunately, Baker was playing, playing

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<v Speaker 1>out of his mind and led that that two minute

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<v Speaker 1>drive after us. The Bengals left sixty six seconds on

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<v Speaker 1>the clock after their go ahead touchdown, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>more than enough time for Mayfield. He's going to throw

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<v Speaker 1>it for the end zone, and Donovan People's jones, he

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<v Speaker 1>comes down with a ball for a touchdown. Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>With eleven seconds to go? Are you kidding me? Unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass number five, a new career high for Baker Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>topping his previous mark of four, also against Cincinnati. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals returned the subsequent kickoff to the forty two, giving

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow a chance for a last play miracle. The Browns

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<v Speaker 1>have four defenders about forty yards down field, four seconds

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<v Speaker 1>on the cl the Bengals at their own forty two.

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<v Speaker 1>No pass rush at all from the Cleveland Browns, so

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow waits for the receivers to get down There here

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<v Speaker 1>comes the high hail Mary down toward the goal line

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<v Speaker 1>at the end zone and didn't complete man. The final

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<v Speaker 1>score Cleveland thirty seven, Cincinnati thirty four, another heartbreaker in

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<v Speaker 1>a seven week stretch filled with them. What did Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor say to his team stick together? It's obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>an emotional locker room and for the right reasons. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is guys that in that moment after locker room

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<v Speaker 1>that that's tough to find those words because you felt

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<v Speaker 1>in control, you felt like you're gonna win, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. And that's happened to us a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a team that well leaves that we

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<v Speaker 1>can put together a winning streak, a one game, winning,

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<v Speaker 1>two game, three game, four, game, five game like we

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<v Speaker 1>believe in it, and we just we just haven't done it.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't proven it to the outside world. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna stick together. I can promise you that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's a group of men on proud

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<v Speaker 1>to coach, and we're gonna stick together. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>through this and the uh, there's much better days ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals are one five and one, including two losses

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<v Speaker 1>by three points one by four, another by five, and

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<v Speaker 1>a tie where they gave up a seven point lead

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty one seconds left in regulation. Excruciating. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow and Giovanni Bernard, and we got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of great guys in this locker room and great Collagy staff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Zach's gonna get us to where we want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Um. You know, I know everyone is down

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<v Speaker 1>in the dumps right now. The fan base is is

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated just as we are. We're one five, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know we got we got a great guy at the

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<v Speaker 1>helm and Zach who who called a great game today,

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<v Speaker 1>he really did. And you know he's he's gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>us together. He's the leader of our team, the leader

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<v Speaker 1>of our own organization. UM, and he's gonna keep us together.

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<v Speaker 1>We freaking want to win, Mike, We just want to win.

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<v Speaker 1>In that's it. Obviously, we've come up short. We know it.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks, we hate the feeling. But all we can

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<v Speaker 1>do is just continue to keep working. Unfortunately the same

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be said of Carlos Dunlap. After another Instagram post

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday complaining about his role on defense, Dunlap appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to argue with coaches on the sideline after the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and then chose Twitter to Ariis Grievance's moments later with

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<v Speaker 1>a snarky post about putting his house up for sale

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<v Speaker 1>that put Boyd and Bernard in the uncomfortable position of

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<v Speaker 1>having to answer numerous questions about their long time teammates

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<v Speaker 1>behavior after a difficult loss. We're a team and we

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<v Speaker 1>hold each other accountable, no matter what coach it is,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what fan it is, we are in it

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<v Speaker 1>together as players. So for him to do down the

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<v Speaker 1>style and I don't agree with it, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't trying to get into it. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just continue to practice and trying to get one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>tough to talk about. You know, it's a situation that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to have to handle. But you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been the type of person then you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the guys in the locker room have been

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<v Speaker 1>this way. Is you know, we can only worry about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the guys that want to be here, the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that want to take care of business and do

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<v Speaker 1>it the right way. Um. We know what coach Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, has preached since day one is protecting the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know It's just one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that we got to continue to do that. UM. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't worry about the guys that you know that don't

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<v Speaker 1>follow that. You know that that idea, UM. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been a firm believer and you know everything

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<v Speaker 1>that Coach Taylor has really been doing around this UM,

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<v Speaker 1>this organization. UM, you know, it's it's just it breaks

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<v Speaker 1>my heart, man, to just to know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's had to deal with a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people don't see, you know, these things

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<v Speaker 1>that have happened, but he not only deals with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the offense and you know, being the head coach, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much other crap that he has to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>And UM, you know it's one of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>Rich shoot, man, I just want to win for him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's it's just a difficult situation, and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it's obviously frustrating. We all know it's frustrating, but we

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<v Speaker 1>know the type of team that we have, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just have to worry about the guys that better here

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<v Speaker 1>day in and day out put in the work. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't focus on things that we don't have control over.

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<v Speaker 1>We just go in and just do our jobs period.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next the home game against the Tennessee Titans, who

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<v Speaker 1>are five and one after a three point lass to

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<v Speaker 1>the six and o Pittsburgh Steelers. The Bengals Booth Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing

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<v Speaker 1>with a hint of fruit flavor. Now, let's get some

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<v Speaker 1>postgame analysis from my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow summed it up pretty well at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a four hundred and six yard passing performance. Quote. Football

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<v Speaker 1>is not a game of numbers. It is a game

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<v Speaker 1>of letters, W and L. Well done, rookie QB. Well

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<v Speaker 1>he's got one W, five l's and one T for

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<v Speaker 1>a tie. This team has had the lead in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter five times in seven games and has one win,

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<v Speaker 1>three losses In the tie. It's almost it's almost incredible

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<v Speaker 1>the last two weeks for them to lose games the

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<v Speaker 1>way they did, have a twenty one point lead, give

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<v Speaker 1>it all back and lose. To have a fourth quarter lead,

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<v Speaker 1>take it to lead back, lose the lead, take it

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<v Speaker 1>back again, lose the game is just I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gut wrenching. It's a gut punch It's like they're, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing ways to lose football games, and losing teams figure

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<v Speaker 1>out ways to lose football games, and winning teams figure

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<v Speaker 1>out ways to win football games. And Cleveland's now five

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<v Speaker 1>and two and the Bengals are won five and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker mayfield first pass of the game was intercepted oh

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<v Speaker 1>for five in the first quarter, and then he completed

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one in a row before a spike, and then

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<v Speaker 1>through the game winning touchdown pass, five touchdown passes in

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<v Speaker 1>the game five and one and six starts against the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no answers for the guy. It's amazing. Seventeen touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>seven interceptions now in his career against the Bengals. If

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<v Speaker 1>he played against the Bengals every week, he'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>consensus All Pro and a unanimous Hall of Fame electoral vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is, it's ludicrous. And the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>when he got hot, I'm telling you, he put the

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<v Speaker 1>ball in spots that they were they were as tight

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<v Speaker 1>a window. When he gets going, he throws the ball

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<v Speaker 1>as well as anybody. And if you need to have

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<v Speaker 1>your career resurrected in media and fans to get off

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<v Speaker 1>your back, like Philip Rivers and Baker Mayfield did come

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<v Speaker 1>to Cincinnati schedule the Bengals, I mean, all is forgiven,

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<v Speaker 1>all is healed because you have almost perfect quarterback rating

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<v Speaker 1>games when you play against his football team. To think

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<v Speaker 1>where they were as a past defense a month into

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<v Speaker 1>the season and to think where they are now, it's frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>Receivers aren't just open. They're open by country Miles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not supposed to be as open as they're open

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<v Speaker 1>in the National Football League. It's just not supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>have And it's happening too many times in football games.

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<v Speaker 1>It's happening with too much, too much regularity. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>mind boggling, it really is, you know. And once players

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<v Speaker 1>get their confidence, you know, Baker Mayfield thinks I can

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<v Speaker 1>make any thrown, as receivers think I can make any catch.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it gets to be a contagious thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they had to make plays, when they at crucial moments,

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<v Speaker 1>when they had to make plays, they made plays. And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times the Bengals did too, but they

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<v Speaker 1>made mistakes again, you know, at pivotal crucial times too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it kills me that people are saying Zach,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the four plays that could have been the

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<v Speaker 1>four plays that there's more than four plays in every game.

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<v Speaker 1>Zach didn't mean he couldn't think of a play. He couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't put his finger on which one of multiple

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<v Speaker 1>plays in every single game that they've lost, when they've

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<v Speaker 1>gone into the fourth quarter with the lead. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just one play every game. It's a myriad of plays

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<v Speaker 1>every game that if one of them went the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different outcome. That's what people are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>when you're losing all these football games by one scoreless.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're what one, twelve and one in games to

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<v Speaker 1>side a by eight points or less. Unbelievable. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I find staggering. Odell Beckham Junior left the game early

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<v Speaker 1>with a knee injury. It's feared to be serious. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that's not the case for his sake. Jarvis Landry

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<v Speaker 1>is playing with a broken rib. But he played okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's not, you know, the Pro Bowl type wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>He would normally be Austin Hooper, their best receiving tight end,

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<v Speaker 1>had an emergency appen decked to me on Friday, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't available Rashad Higgins, Harrison Bryant, rookie tight end Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>People's Jones, who normally wouldn't even get on the field

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<v Speaker 1>had the game winning touchdown catch. You've got to get

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<v Speaker 1>some pressure on Baker Mayfield or guys like that become

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<v Speaker 1>good players. Yeah, there's no doubt it's a compounding effect. Negatively,

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing complimentary football the worst way you can no

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush, horsepucky coverage. That's going to lead to guys

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<v Speaker 1>that who guys that didn't have any NFL catches. They've

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<v Speaker 1>had guys this year with no NFL catches and statute

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<v Speaker 1>have career games. They've had guys that you know are

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<v Speaker 1>just basically the last receiver actor for the game, don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a big role because of injury. Their role increases,

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<v Speaker 1>have big games. But if you're not rushing the passer

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<v Speaker 1>and you're have an assignment are on the back end

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<v Speaker 1>and technique problems on the back end. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>can pull guys off the street and line up and

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Bengals. I mean, it is unbelievably gruesome to

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<v Speaker 1>watch at this stage. It really is. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why Baker Mayfield was so effective was the absence

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<v Speaker 1>of Will Jackson. He's played great at corner this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Football Focus has him as the eighteenth highest rated

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback in the NFL. They dearly missed him when Baker

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<v Speaker 1>Mayfield was carving people up. I remember Dan when we

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<v Speaker 1>did our Friday show talking about Joe Mixon's a huge blow,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have a true professional in Givn't even hard

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<v Speaker 1>and other running backs that might be able to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lessen that load, and that Jackson was probably a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger loss as the game unfolded. That's exactly how it

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<v Speaker 1>played out. Not having Will Jackson as a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>could run with the best receiver or covered his half

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<v Speaker 1>of the football field. The ripple effected, that the trickle

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<v Speaker 1>down effected. That was enormous, enormous, and guys were out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing the best they could, but not good

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<v Speaker 1>enough to make the plays that Will Jackson would have

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<v Speaker 1>made during the course of this football game. And you

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<v Speaker 1>got a quarterback that goes twenty two out of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three with five touchdown passes in the final three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of the game. Tell me having number twenty two out

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<v Speaker 1>there to line up at corner on the wide side

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<v Speaker 1>of the field wouldn't have been helpful, absolutely would have.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other sad thing is this would have been

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<v Speaker 1>quite a feel good story for the offensive line, the

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<v Speaker 1>much maligned offensive line. Jonah Williams exit in the first

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<v Speaker 1>half with a neck injury. Trey Hopkins exits in the

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<v Speaker 1>first half with a concussion. Billy Price plays the entire

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<v Speaker 1>second half at center. Fred Johnson plays the entire second

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<v Speaker 1>half at tackle. With three plays to go, Bobby Hart

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<v Speaker 1>apparently hurt his knee. Hacam identage is thrown in there

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<v Speaker 1>the rookie out of Kansas, and those three guys are

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<v Speaker 1>on the field when they score the go ahead touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>with the one oh six to go. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>in the second half the shuffle me offensive line. Eight

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line were active for the football game. All eight

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<v Speaker 1>saw snaps, not as the extra lineman in a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big tight end formation. I'm talking about snaps. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>said in the in the offensive schematic at tackle or center.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody had to step up and make plays, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the football game. And it is said, it's sad

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<v Speaker 1>to see they overcame it. I mean the entire second half,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Billy Price and Fred were you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going there, they have no option. So it's sad when

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<v Speaker 1>you a performance like that is wasted. I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>Zach had probably the best game plan and the best

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<v Speaker 1>play calling execution of that game plan in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>play caller he had all season long. They still couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>run the ball. But he went to the screen game

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<v Speaker 1>as an extension of the running game. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>long ladderal out there. It's like a long pitch. And

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<v Speaker 1>he screened every way you can screen. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he had more screens today than a door has in

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<v Speaker 1>their warehouse screen doors. I mean, he went to running backs,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to wide receivers, he went to tight ends,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to a gadget gimmick Tyler Boyd throws a

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<v Speaker 1>screen to Giovanni Bernard. He screened every way you can screen,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are literally, you know, like a wide run

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<v Speaker 1>in the running game. So I thought that he was

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<v Speaker 1>very very creative with his game plan and very very

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<v Speaker 1>creative with his play calling. And unfortunately this is the

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<v Speaker 1>most non complimentary or uncomplimentary football team in the National

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<v Speaker 1>Football League. Now, when the offense plays well, the defense sucked.

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<v Speaker 1>When the defense plays well, the offense sucks. When the

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<v Speaker 1>run defense plays well, the past defense sucks. When the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals can't run the football, the passing game is good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's like, you know, what am I

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<v Speaker 1>going to have this week? Which phase is going to

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<v Speaker 1>show up for me this week? Position groups? Defensive line

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<v Speaker 1>plays well, secondary doesn't. Defensive line doesn't play well, secondary

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<v Speaker 1>plays better, I mean, and then when they don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>both don't play well, you get smoked like Baker Meadfield

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<v Speaker 1>smoked you. So it's a very frustrating football team to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>And they, again, like I said before, continue to find

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<v Speaker 1>ways to lose football games. All right. Last thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to second guess a play on fourth down that

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<v Speaker 1>gives you the lead with sixty six seconds to go,

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<v Speaker 1>But as badly as the defense was struggling, should they

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<v Speaker 1>have tried to run on fourth and inches to keep

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<v Speaker 1>that clock winding down? You can't second guess it. But

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<v Speaker 1>well that's what you are doing. That's what I am doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm second guessing it because it didn't work, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were talking about it first guessing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really during the course of the game, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, unfolding as man two hot quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>two first pick of the drafts that are living up

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<v Speaker 1>to expectations, that are hot as the firecrackers, that are

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<v Speaker 1>both doing unbelievable things leading their football team. The one

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<v Speaker 1>that has the football last, no fault to the other,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably gonna win the football game. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way it worked out. Like you said, Dan, Hindsight's twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, we're hopeful that you go on that

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<v Speaker 1>uh what three minute and fifty some odd second drive

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<v Speaker 1>and take every single three of them fifty three seconds

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, take every single one of them off the

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<v Speaker 1>clock and score. And we said it during the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, so it wasn't second guess, it was

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<v Speaker 1>first guests and it just didn't unfold that way. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you a hell of an offensive performance wasted,

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and there have been good defensive performances wasted. And like

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, it's the it's the most bizarre, uncomplimentary, non

0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>complimentary season a date that I've seen in the National

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Football League by the Bengals. It's unbelievable to watch unfold

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>on a weekly basis. It really is. You know, you

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 1>think what next. It's amazing. Now, as promised, I am

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 1>going to put a smile on your face with the

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>help of Bengals wide receiver Mike Thomas. It's an all

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>time classic edition of fantastic fun Facts where you get

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.439
<v Speaker 1>to know the person under the pads. Time for some

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 1>fun facts with wide Receiver Mike Thomas from the Windy City, Chicago, Illinois,

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:38.199
<v Speaker 1>more specifically the South Side of Chicago. Mike tell us

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about growing up in Chicago and what

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>you like to do as a kid. Growing up in

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Southside, I'd pretty much like to hang around friends,

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>be outside, just hanging out, having fun, doing what kids do.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much. It was cool. It was always cold winters

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>four seasons, so when it was cold outside in the house,

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>cancel school, just trying to stay bungled up. Cozy weather.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was cool, you know what I'm saying. Just

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in the Windy City. Do you see yourself

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>winding up back in Chicago someday? Yeah, just because I

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>have most of my family back there, So yeah, I

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>do find myself back there, you know, planning on being

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>back there Austin we're visiting with Mike Thomas. Speaking of family,

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<v Speaker 1>your Instagram page includes several tributes to your mom. What

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>do you appreciate and respect about her? The most I

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>appreciate is that she was a single parent and that

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>she got the job done no matter what whenever it

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>came to us. I have an older brother. She made

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>sure that we was on top of everything and made

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>sure that we were straight as far as dealing with

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>school financial wise, is making sure that we didn't need

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 1>for anything. So that's that's what I mostly appreciate about

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>my mom. She made it happening regardless of the situation,

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and she's still gonna make it happen. She still tell

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>them to this day, Mike, I don't care. I care

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 1>about your mentor I care about your health. So she's

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 1>gonna be with me when through it all. You attended

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>DuSable High School, alma mater of Nat King Cole and

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Red Fox for older folks. But it's not exactly a

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>football powerhouse, is it. Nah, not at all? Pretty much

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>at basketball school, a lot of a lot of guys

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>that that hooped out of Chicago went there or played

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>against DuSable, Like Anthony Davis was one of the guys

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that played against our high school. And I've actually seen

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>him play against us and didn't know he was gonna

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>grow that tall and now you see where yet now?

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's best. Chicago's just a basketball city, just a

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>powerhouse on basketball. So yeah, that was kind of like

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>tough trying to make it out of there playing football.

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 1>You told reporters recently that you would not be playing

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>football if not for former Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson.

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Who was Chad Ochocinco when you were a kid. How

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>did Chad inspire you? Honestly, it started with the hard knocks,

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was making people look bad at

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the corner and the fact that he was like bringing

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>comedy out of it, like making people laugh and two.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yo, whoever that is, I'm going

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to try to impersonate him to the tea from top

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>to bottom. And that's how it all started. Man, just

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>watching him on hard Knocks and wearing eighty five and

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that just that just inspired me to play this game period,

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 1>just watching him to I mean, it was a couple

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>more guys, but he was the main person that I

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be, like rocking eighty five, calling my name

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Ocho Sinko, Just trying to impersonate him, his footwork, all

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 1>his YouTube videos, workouts. It's just so much. I can

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>just go on and on about. But he was the

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>main guy as far as character playing football. Did you

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>actually call yourself Mike Ocho Senko, Yes, I did. I

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>actually I had my name on There's Mike Ocho Sinko

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>eighty five on Facebook. I was just eighty five crazy

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>back then, Like I just thought I was him. Describe

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the time you approach Chad and told him what he

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>meant to you. Yeah. I think this was pregame Cleveland

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>last year, the Rams versus Cleveland, and I think Chad

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>had the cameras around him following. I think he was

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>doing like a special that week, and I just basically

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I was just looking at him like yo,

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go say something like I'm just thinking to

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>my head like how I'm about the approach him, Like

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, I don't know, I'm finna just tell him

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>how I feel at this point. So I just talked

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>went up to him and told him basically like man,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I just want to thank you for, you know, inspiring

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a kid from Chicago to even play this game today. Man,

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know what you have done for me.

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>But I just want to say thank you. I didn't

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>really give him too much of a rundown. I just

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>just kept it short and simple and just told him,

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>thank you, man, I appreciate you for inspiring me to

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>even play this game. Today. We're doing fun factored Mike Thomas,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you left Chicago to play for Dodge City Community College

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and Dodge City, Kansas population twenty seven thousand. Was it

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>tough to adjust to growing up in Chicago? Yes, I honestly,

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep it real. The whole slogan when they

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>say get out of Dodge, that's that's what I knew,

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>exactly what that means. Like, it was nothing there like

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Tommy weeds, tumbling everything. It would just dry, just dry weather,

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>open space, fields, crops, everything, just a whole bunch of nothing. Man.

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>They're just just that just helped me stay focused, honestly

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and get the job done. And my whole goal why

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>why I was there? So I just had to stay

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>locked in and and and focus and get the job done.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>And now I know the origin of get out of Dodge.

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Get out of Dodge, man, it was crazy from there.

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>It was on the Southern miss where your career really

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>took off. You set the all time record for receiving

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>yards in a season. There, When did you start to

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.959
<v Speaker 1>think that you might have an NFL future? That's a

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>good question, because honestly, I never had my mind on

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the NFL just playing league ball, like I never just

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>had I just like playing just the passion in me,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>just like playing back. I mean football. I played basketball too,

0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>but my whole mind was just playing football and just

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>hopefully some coming out of it. I never had in

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>my mind that I was gonna go to the NFL.

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna lie. I would say after that

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Washington game, that Bowl game, when we played Washington and

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I had like them, they're close to two hundred yards,

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>two touchdown, about ten plus catches, I knew like, oh,

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and this is a powerhouse defense team too. And that's

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>when I knew, like, oh, I might have a real

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>chance that really going to you know, the league and

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>making it happen. And that's when I knew like I

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>might have a good shot. Then that's when agents was

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>splawing my phone up and that's when it happened. After that,

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>for chatting with Mike Thomas, she got drafted by the

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Rams in two sixteen. Former head coach Jeff Fisher was

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the guy that made the phone call. Can you describe

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>what that moment meant? I remember, like it was yesterday.

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>My family was right there, Mom was right there Dad,

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, before he called me, it was a lot

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of teams calling me saying, hey, if we don't drive

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>for you, we're gonna pick you up. This and that.

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who want to hear that? Like I wasn't

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to hear that. I'm trying to see if y'all

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna draft me. The long story short, Jeff Fisher called

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>me right after and saying, hey, man, we're gonna pick

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you up. And I was just on the phone and

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>my fam like kind of knew what was up and

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>they were just going crazy. So after that did the phone,

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even hear what he was saying. And I

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't even realize it. But my cousin had on the

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Rams jacket and I didn't even realize that, Wow,

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like you really spoke this into existance. When is to

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the party, draft party and everything, it was just crazy,

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like it didn't even hit me yet, Like fam was

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>still going crazy. It was just so unreal, Like damn,

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I thought I wasn't gonna get drafted, honestly, it was

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>just it was frustrating at the same time, but it

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like cool to actually hear your name

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>get called and see his name go on the screen

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and all that. You spent four years in LA, including

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the twenty eighteen Super Bowl season, but unfortunately that year

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you got injured in Week one. It was a groin

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>injury that required three surgeries. What happened Something didn't happen

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>right in the the first surgery, and I had to

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>go back to Saint Louis and I guess they didn't

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>fix that. So that's when I had to get the

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>second opinion with my agent, and that's when we went

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to Philly and got the second opinion and got everything together.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>But that was just a long, frustrated season, just knowing

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to have been back week six earlier than that,

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was just constant, you know, barriers in a

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.239
<v Speaker 1>way of me not even coming back. So I just

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.479
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be healthy at that point and fix the problem.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>We're doing fun facts with Mike time as she joined

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.959
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals this year and made your first touchdown catching

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Week two on Thursday Night Football versus Cleveland. Was that

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>a huge moment for you to get that first TV

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>in prime time? Yeah? That was that was real huge

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>because I felt like it was long overdue. Like I said,

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been in rooms with guys that I

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>felt like I wasn't even supposed to be in, just

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>competing with guys that have a huge household name for themselves,

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like, if I can compete with them, man,

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm doing something right. I know I'm just

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>playing some type of talent out here. Man, where's my

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>time going to come in? And it came and I

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>just felt good, like, man, I've finally been in the

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>league them in five years and got my first touchdown.

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I know that's kind of like what what you doing

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>your whole four years? Yeah, but you know, you you

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>just go through things, man, and you just got to

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>stay the course and stay positive and just know things

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna work out for you. So that was a mouthstone

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>for sure. All Right, A few wild card questions to

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>wrap things up with Mike Thomas, what do you like

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to spend your money on them? I'm a huge, huge

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>sneaker head man just growing up in Chicago. Jordan's that

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>was the fashion statement back then. Man, I made sure, well,

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>my mom kind of made sure I had some of them.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have all of them, but the ones that

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I did wanted I had, But now I had to

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>get them all. Man. So I'm a big, big sneaker head. Man,

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I love sneakers. How big is the collection? I had

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to get another closet, man, I had to use the

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>guests around closet for one of us shoes have them.

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's getting big. It's getting bigger. Mike. Is a

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>true that you like to play brain games on your phone?

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I do Lumosity. It's called lou Monsiti's brain. Just like

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to work on things every day, Like as I think

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>about it, Like when when I was going to school,

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I feel like I wasn't paying attention enough what

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to. You know, you got classmates distracting you,

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>planing and all that. So sometimes I like to, you know,

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>go back to the app and you know, do little

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>mathematic games, reading games. It's all types of stuff you can,

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, work on your brain. You just it's just

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a fun game, just to you know that you're working

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>on something, you ain't just playing just for fun. I'm

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna pass that along to my fourteen year old kid.

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Trust me. Hey, it's gonna work out. When you go

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>home to Chicago, what local delicacy must you have? That's

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a good question, because I usually go back to the pizza, man.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'm not usually a delacy guy. I usually

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>do the pizza. I love Geral Donals. Yeah, deep this,

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>you gotta get the deepest gerald Dono's pizza. Man. That's

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>like the number one thing I have to get when

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I go back, and that's every time. All right, final

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<v Speaker 1>fun fact for Mike Thomas. Obviously, you are not the

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<v Speaker 1>only wide receiver named Mike Thomas in the NFL. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas from the Saints was part of the same draft class.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever get mail meant for him? Autograph requests, proposals, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they kind of know, like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a difference, man. I feel like we have two

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<v Speaker 1>different backgrounds who come from two different places. So they

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me confused him at all. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>might do it as far as like fantasy drafts, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I see Twitter comments about that, but nothing as

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<v Speaker 1>far as like fan mail or signatures and nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you were going to tell me you

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally got his paycheck by mistake. I wish yeah, send

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<v Speaker 1>it to me. Yeah, I act like them. Four day Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been great. You're off the hot seat. Appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Best of luck the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it. Hi. Thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic Mike Thomas Head. Here's a quick reminder to join

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