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Speaker 1: Podcast network, and this is the Backstage Chargers Podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyota Dealers. This week's episode gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Mike and Ike taken over

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Kicker Michael Badgeley and defensive end Isaac Rochelle

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Speaker 1: sat down with her teammate Nick Dzubnar for a very

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Speaker 1: wide ranging conversation. Hope you enjoyed. Okay, what's up, guys.

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Speaker 1: We are here with the Mike and Ike podcast, and

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Speaker 1: that's not the candy. That is Michael Badgeley and Isaac

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Speaker 1: rochell And what we do is we bring players on

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Speaker 1: and we have a conversation and we hear their story

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Speaker 1: from their perspective. So today we have Nick Dzubnar. Nick Dzubnar,

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Speaker 1: however you say it. Let me introduce this guy a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He's a linebacker number forty eight for the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers from Mission Vahill played at Mission vah

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Speaker 1: High School, lead the team in tackles, goes to Cal Paul.

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Speaker 1: He comes here undrafted and he's an automatic linebacker star

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Speaker 1: for our special In a second, I had to throw

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Speaker 1: that in there. But what's up, Nick? How you doing today? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing really good. I'm happy to be here. I

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Speaker 1: was really excited until I heard the name that you

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Speaker 1: guys were gonna call this the Mic and Ike Show. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the Candy. It's an I'm not dumb. I understand

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Speaker 1: it's a playoff the candy. I just I don't know

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Nick, You are a first guest for

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Speaker 1: zub We want to just hear your story. But I

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Speaker 1: the football feenon that he is. Now take us to

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Speaker 1: have greatness bestowed upon there. What was a quason? You

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Speaker 1: Like all right, all right, I got you. So I

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Speaker 1: have a little brother. We were very physical kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: So obviously that's where it took off. Next year and

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Speaker 1: out there it says you played football, hockey, and wrestling.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, right, skate circles around you. I'm putting you

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Speaker 1: what I mean, that's so disrespect when you knock him

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Speaker 1: I'm also and and I've also hit a kid through

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Speaker 1: put it this way. Nick was basically a bender. No,

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Speaker 1: the Boulder thing I don't get. Well, that's why I

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Speaker 1: it looks like some of those schools missed out on you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, I'm reading you got four hundred and

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Speaker 1: you got there, I mean readn't do this. You red

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Speaker 1: Which yeah, so you're like, yeah, best year college, I

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Speaker 1: big you were at a military school. Yeah, military school? Like,

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Speaker 1: my mind right. Well, listen, Isaac was drafted, so he

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Speaker 1: can't really put his intake on this. Sorry, but you're saying,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly like what Nick says, you have you

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Speaker 1: have everything built up where you think in your head,

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Speaker 1: you know there's there's a chance you're gonna get drafted,

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Speaker 1: and you're thinking, you're why not. You look at your

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Speaker 1: should I mean, you should have felt that way. You

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Speaker 1: look at your number door, I shouldn't have. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, literally what I'm saying or whatever. You know.

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Speaker 1: But then it turns into you the calls after the draft,

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Speaker 1: and you know you're you want to be mad with

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Speaker 1: at the same time, you want to be fired up

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Speaker 1: because you got a shot. So I remember when I said,

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Speaker 1: the Colts gave me a call and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming there. I knew, I knew what I was

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Speaker 1: walking into with Vinitary being there, but I knew it

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Speaker 1: was a chance to get my foot in the door.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what helped me out. So how to get

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Speaker 1: the film? You gotta get the film. Yeah, especially for

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Speaker 1: you being able to even just learn and hang out

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Speaker 1: with Vinetary too. I mean, dude, he's a legend. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's playing literally my whole left. This is his

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth season. He's played twenty fourth season. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is twenty fourth season. He's made some change. Its crazy, Okay,

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Speaker 1: listen plays already getting his pension, But I just want

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Speaker 1: to We're gonna just put your whole NFL career in

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Speaker 1: one like lump question, what does it take now, like

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Speaker 1: looking back, somebody in your same position to be here

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Speaker 1: now for five years and be where you're at, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is what does it take to be the next

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Speaker 1: Nick DA's Ubnar? Not that there will be one time?

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Speaker 1: Do they have to be there a high school president? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask that at the end. Yeah, they go,

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Speaker 1: They for sure you. So basically they answer your question

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Speaker 1: of how is there another Nick Dazubnar. What he wants

455
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Speaker 1: to say, is there hard to come by and there's

456
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Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime there's only one Nick. It's

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Speaker 1: just that same mentality, you know what I mean, that

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Speaker 1: same mentality from from a very early age. I don't

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Speaker 1: know you could develop it, I'm sure, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be hungry. It's like every every nothing. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, nothing came easy for me my life, and

462
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Speaker 1: it made me that much tougher to where I really

463
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Speaker 1: had to prove people wrong. And I love and I

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Speaker 1: love that I'm still trying to man, that's the best

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Speaker 1: part about it. Yeah, right, So you have to you

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Speaker 1: guys know this. You have to come in here every

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Speaker 1: day just like every day they're they're trying to cut

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Speaker 1: me to every day as a job interview. Every day

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Speaker 1: is a job interview, and I think, and it's fun

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Speaker 1: to compete. No one likes to no one likes to

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Speaker 1: look bad at practice anything like that. Like it's I think,

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Speaker 1: well and everything's evaluated, and you have to be so

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Speaker 1: competitive in this league and stuff like that. That's why

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Speaker 1: I really really like talking trash to everyone on the offense,

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Speaker 1: getting these guys going like I love practice for that reason. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I think shout out to Michael and Margaret. It

477
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Speaker 1: was on your page, so now we know. But seriously,

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Speaker 1: like just literally from the beginning, and it comes full circle,

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Speaker 1: like your dad being like, we're not doing this. These

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Speaker 1: people are talking about sunscreen, we're talking about smacking each other.

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Speaker 1: Like it's two totally different conversations. It starts with how

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Speaker 1: you're raised. Yeah, how you're raised. Hockey has a big

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Speaker 1: impact on the way I played sports. Um for sure,

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Speaker 1: And then I also wasn't. I wasn't a very big

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Speaker 1: kid grown up either, Like I was late bloomer. I

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Speaker 1: hit puberty late. I really didn't grow until later in

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Speaker 1: high school. So all my success and hockey and stuff

488
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Speaker 1: like that before high school was all just I was

489
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Speaker 1: the small guy just being nosed little guy. So you

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Speaker 1: were like me before. I was like the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any closing questions? I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it would be fun to close. It was something fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of we've had this debate, Nick, you've

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Speaker 1: probably even done it before. But yes, water's wet. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ask no, no, wait, listen would have been it's the

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Speaker 1: sun hot. Well we're not doing that. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Okay? Would you rather be stuck

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean for twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: or be stuck in the rainforest for twenty four hours?

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Speaker 1: Bring on the rainforest? And your reason is, Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: a I grew up in the ocean. I think people

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Speaker 1: underestimate the ocean, like it depends completely depends on why

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Speaker 1: you're getting dropped in the ocean. But that's a really

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Speaker 1: freaky feeling, being left in the middle of the ocean

505
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Speaker 1: at night, like you're freaking out. Well, that wasn't that wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a life, You're not Jack, You're

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Speaker 1: not having a tread water for twenty four hours. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking I'm taking the land. Yeah, give me land. I

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Speaker 1: don't care about snakes. Jaguars or anything. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: you have a fighting chance there. You brought up the

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Speaker 1: best point when we were sitting there, Zeb said, you

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Speaker 1: can at least look at what's coming at you. Yeah, shark.

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Speaker 1: If shark wants you, it's you're done. There's no fighting

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Speaker 1: anything in there. And this doesn't need to be the

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Speaker 1: whole podcast. But my thing with it is if a

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Speaker 1: crazy animal came up and was going to attack you,

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Speaker 1: I'm going out. I'm going out with a bang. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like playing your odds in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: You might not get touched, you might not get touched,

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Speaker 1: but you're not fighting anything off. You're on land you

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Speaker 1: have a chance to fight. You're thinking your head. You're

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Speaker 1: head's playing games where you're getting touched by something in

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Speaker 1: your head. Absolutely, and if you're on landing you fight

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Speaker 1: something off. How cool of a story is that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well then you're Nick nazuomar. But I also do I

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Speaker 1: don't understand the fear of sharks, even just people going

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Speaker 1: to the beach. I never understood that, bro, because they

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Speaker 1: can delete you immediately. Oh my god, what are we talking.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more likely for someone to get smashed

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Speaker 1: by vending machine than are shark to even come up

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Speaker 1: near you. You know, I think the numbers support that

532
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Speaker 1: vending machine smashing. People are so paranoid about these sharks

533
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Speaker 1: because they watch Shark Week and stuff like that. Let alone,

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Speaker 1: let's pretend you get attacked by a shark and you're okay.

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Speaker 1: Let's pretend you like, don't even lose a limb. It

536
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Speaker 1: just took a little piece of your form. And then

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Speaker 1: people like, I'm so afraid of the ocean. You're telling

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Speaker 1: me you're more afraid of getting back in the water

539
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Speaker 1: and getting attacked by a shark twice. Yeah, the odds

540
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Speaker 1: are in your favorite. Look, you get attacked by shark twice,

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Speaker 1: it's time for you to go. Yeah, that's true. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the good Lord calling them all right up. I

543
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Speaker 1: think Badge would agree. We really appreciate you like coming

544
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Speaker 1: on and helping us do this for the first time.

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Speaker 1: I think it rent really well. I think we're just

546
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Speaker 1: gonna make the show Nick Badge and Ike. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll be here next week. You know, if we just

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Speaker 1: if we had us three listen, Yeah, we don't need

549
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Speaker 1: other of you. Let's just talk about random stuff every week. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, then we bring a guest. I think if

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Speaker 1: it was us three, I mean Nick. Nick brings a

552
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Speaker 1: humor quality, no doubt. All Right, I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to go. Thanks, all right, see you guys. All Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. On the Backstage Chargers Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyota dealers. Remember be sure

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Speaker 1: to downloaded subscribe to the Chargers Podcast Network. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of exciting things cooking this season and we

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Speaker 1: want you along for the ride. Thanks so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, I'm Chris Harry