1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace June twenty seven, two thousand. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: What happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl Molly Bish? 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a special guest, Maggie Bish 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 5 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Maggie. I can't tell 6 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you what it means to me to get to speak 7 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: to you again and to meet your beautiful daughter Heather. 8 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Just you know, it's funny. It's funny how you never think. 9 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I would never when I was little, I would never thought, Wow, 10 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: some of the greatest people ever meet in my life 11 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: are going to be crime victims. You don't think about 12 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: that when you're planning your future. But there's some kind 13 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: of a bond between violent crime victims that I can't 14 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: really explain it. But I'll start, Maggie with telling you. 15 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know how many prayers go 16 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: up every day about you and Molly and your family. 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I'll just start with that and then to you. It 18 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: was Molly's eighth day at a brand new job as 19 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: a lifeguard. She was just sixteen. It's a hot summer day. 20 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: Do you remember that day, Maggie? Oh, how I do again. 21 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: We're just cotten out of school. I'm a school teacher 22 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and it's cleaned your room. And I had I actually 23 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: was a special that teacher, and I had some I E. 24 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Piece some work to complete, and so we were all 25 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had 26 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: a new job. My son had just trained her, and 27 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: I had taken her to work the day before, and 28 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: it was kind of a little unsettling. We had seen 29 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: a car that day parked in the parking lot and 30 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: there was only one white vehicle. And Molly got out 31 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: and she was very excited and said, by Mom, I 32 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: love you, see you later, you know. When just she 33 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: had to get some supplies ready and go down to 34 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: the beach. It was the first week of swimming lessons 35 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: for the town kids. So we live in a very 36 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: small community, only four thousand folks, one traffic light, beautiful 37 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off and 38 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I see the vehicle on this man and he ends 39 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: up kind of staring at me, and I get kind 40 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave Molly here. 41 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: What is this guy doing here? So I head to 42 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: the beach and meet her and we sit and it 43 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: is a very lovely little place and it's kind of 44 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: again it's down a main street, but it's also kind 45 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: of isolated. And we sit, we talk and I really 46 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: we haven't talked a whole lot about danger, but we 47 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: talked about you know, I said, I noticed there's more 48 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: men around maybe, and she did spots just fisherman mom, 49 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: not concerned at all. I talk about how nice the beaches, 50 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: and then I said, I got to get back and 51 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: do my reports. So I go to the car and 52 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: this individual is still there. I am so kind of awestruck, 53 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: like what is he doing. He's just sitting there smoking 54 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: a cigarette. There's nothing to view, it's woods. And I 55 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: get into my car and I'm looking. I had not 56 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: even taken my purse before, so when I go in, 57 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior to that, I'm 58 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: walking and he stares at me. And I have to 59 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: tell you, it's like a mother bear. You just want 60 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: to protect your child. You just like, what are you 61 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: doing here? Go to work? It's ten o'clock in the morning. 62 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: And that just got me so unnerved. So when I 63 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: went to the car to get my purse, he pulled 64 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: out so fast that I didn't even think. I just 65 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: got relieved. It was one of those immediate gut feelings. 66 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: I just was uncomfortable. And that white car still to 67 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: this day, we've never found We never found an individual 68 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved. And anyway, 69 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: the next day happened. Took Molly to work the same 70 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: talked to her that night about being safe, even offered 71 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: her a little Kubaton stick, which my husband had as 72 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: a probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't need it, 73 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: it's just fisherman. Don't worry. And that next morning, after 74 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: I drove her the work, there wasn't a single car 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I love you. 76 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: Our routine kind of farewell, and that was the last 77 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: time I ever heard my Molly. And I would have never, 78 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: ever in my wildest dreams or sadness as imagined that 79 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: three hours later I would get a phone call from 80 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: this assistant Chief of police that Molly had not been 81 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: at the pond all morning. Her things were left on 82 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: the beach. An open first aid kit, the police radio, 83 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: her shoes, and her backpack all remained on the beach, 84 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: and nobody knew where she was at that point. This 85 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: was an unusual event for us. Molly was very conscientious, 86 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: very kind of nervous. It's a new job. They told 87 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: me she probably went with friends. It didn't make sense. 88 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: She left her shoes, she left her backpack, but she 89 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: left the job at ten o'clock when she just was starting. 90 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: It just didn't makes sense at all. So I called 91 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: my daughter, Heather, and Heather said she would meet me 92 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: at the beach, and I immediately got in my car 93 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: went to the beach and I went I'm still in disbelief, 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: and I'm calling her and screening her name on the 95 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: beach Molly Molly, and people were coming. There was no Molly, 96 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: and people had said that she hadn't been there. There 97 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: had been the lifeguard all day, and I knew I 98 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: dropped her off. I've seen her things. So I was 99 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: very very frightened. For me, the first gut reaction was 100 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: something that is really wrong here. I started to go 101 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: toward the police station. There comes Heather with our new granddaughter, 102 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: and we'd go into the police station and I say, 103 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: something's very wrong. I meet this chief, the assistant chief, 104 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: because he called me and my husband and because he 105 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: was a probation in the local area at the local court, 106 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I said call him. That's how upset I was already. 107 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: I knew in my heart that this was not how 108 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: Molly operated. And they told us to go in a 109 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: little room. It was two young officers and they figured 110 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: out that, oh, she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. 111 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: And that's when Heather and I well that that they 112 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: told you to go in the room, and I took 113 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: off looking from all my friends. Okay, So I went 114 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: from there, and then I went also to look for 115 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: her other friend in the next town that was a 116 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: good friend, and she was accounted for, and then I 117 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: got my son, returned to we returned to the beach, 118 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: and when we got to the beach, we were a gast. 119 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I mean, people in a small town heard there's Molly 120 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: was not at the beach. It was on the scanners 121 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: and there were people starting to come. And Molly's friend's 122 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: father was ahead of the fire department and nobody I 123 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: think this was the hard partner after nobody knew. Everybody 124 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: felt something, but they didn't know what to do. And 125 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: I really didn't see the pricess I got there. It 126 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 1: was the fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly 127 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: drowned swimming, and that was very frightful. They had those 128 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: special dogs to determine if there was a body. I mean, 129 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: it was like you were now really in a surreal, 130 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: unbelievable place that you've never been. And it's heartbreaking because 131 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: you don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where 132 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: she is, and you're just watching this show progress and 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: it was scary and sad, and you worry what she's thinking. 134 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: You don't know what. Now that you have children, I 135 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: know you can imagine how hard what would your child do? 136 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: And you know each child has their own personality. Molly 137 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: was funny and silly, but she was also very shy 138 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: and if someone would hurt her, but she would also 139 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: trust somebody because she was a good kid and she 140 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: had no reason not to. You know, if they dressed 141 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: like a police officer, or they dressed in some you know, 142 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: authoritative she would go. And that's how I know that 143 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: we looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we 144 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: had everybody that she was, you know, friends with, accounted for. 145 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: And that was really at the beginning of our horrible 146 00:09:45,040 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: idea crime stories with Nancy Grace. Everyone with me is 147 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: what I consider to be a friend. With me is 148 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing 149 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: one warm June morning two thousand to search still on 150 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: from Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I 151 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: can't help it. It takes me straight back to when 152 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I 153 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: felt like a wild animal. This is the only way 154 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal 155 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: that couldn't form words. I wanted to break the window 156 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: with my bare hands, and just how I didn't even 157 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: know words to say. And I'm thinking I remember one night, 158 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: right before I was supposed to go on the air, 159 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: my long time makeup artist she's on, was with me 160 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: and she got a call. She had her hands in 161 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: my in my hair at the moment and put it 162 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: on speaker and her son was missing, Arlington was missing, 163 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and everything just went bizarre. And I mean, I've covered 164 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: all these cases, I know what to do, I know 165 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: who to call, but when it happens to you, it's 166 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: a whole whole nother can of worms. In her story, 167 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: he was found, thank goodness, And I'm just thinking about 168 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: you at that pond and they're looking in the water 169 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: and you see the first aid kid and you see 170 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: her shoes, and everything's there, everything's right, everything is present. 171 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: But Molly, when did you find out what happened to Molly? 172 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: It took three long years before we knew anything, and 173 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: they were hard, and it was really tough for our 174 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: whole family, and family suffer. You know. We used to 175 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: have fragile Fridays. If we made it another week, you know, 176 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: how are we doing? Checking in with each other? It 177 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: was tough. We didn't have small children my children. My 178 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: son was just in this first year of college, and 179 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: Heather was just had our first child. So we were 180 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: a little older, which in some ways is easier but 181 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: still very difficult, because every age has its own difficult 182 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: except in being a sibling. You're so right about that, 183 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: And there are so many phases you go through one 184 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: when you suffer a loss. My father passed away and 185 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm still a mess. He and I were, I guess 186 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: soulmates were just. I mean, I love my mother. I'm 187 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: extremely close to her. I've always talked to her more 188 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: I guess than I did my dad. But he and 189 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: I were just two pias in a pod, and you 190 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: go through It hurts me too much to remember what 191 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I went through when Keith was murdered, but the thing 192 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: that phases you go through when you lose somebody. But 193 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what I'll have to ask you, 194 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: because I knew almost immediately who murdered Keith and what 195 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: had happened to him. But it was two thousand and three, 196 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: almost to the days ju nine, two thousand and three 197 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: before you knew what had happened to Molly. Do you 198 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: remember that day? Well, you know it is. Oh, I 199 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: can tell you it's awful. We actually we had did 200 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: that Missing Children's Day May at the end of May, 201 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: and we had come home and John had gotten a call, 202 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: my husband, and he said, we have to get home. 203 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: And usually I'm saying thank you to all the people. 204 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: We have two bustlads of people that we take with 205 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: us to Boston, and so I'm very grateful. We put flowers, 206 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: We forget me that you don't go out there. We 207 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: do a big, beautiful program. So we are coming home 208 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: with all this stuff and John is saying, oh, yeah, 209 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: get home, we're going We're going and he was pushing me. 210 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: I was getting a little agitated. But what happened is 211 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: one of the news reporters came to our house and 212 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: they had the pictures because somebody did not believe. Well, 213 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: how it went is there was a hunter that had 214 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: spotted something that he wasn't familiar with, but he mentioned 215 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: it to this person who to be a police officer, 216 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: and so they went and they were kind of on 217 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: their own doing this. And then I guess this police 218 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: officer didn't believe that the um you know, he's afraid 219 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: the police would take credit for his fine, I guess, 220 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: and so he wanted some of them take pictures and 221 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: he called them the press, and the press did it, 222 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: and so guess what they do. They show it to 223 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: us before the police even called us and told us anything. 224 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: So while I'm in my driveway and you know how 225 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: in the press scout like the vans, they have all 226 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: the TVs. Oh there's Molly's. Yeah, this is how Molly's. 227 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: I've seen her bathing suit in the rust in the leaves, 228 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: the old leaves, and John didn't remember, you know, my husband, 229 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: he you know, it's so funny. I actually went out 230 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: with her to buy this special bathing suit because they 231 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't have the colored one to the recreational person who 232 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: was going to order them. So I knew exactly what 233 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: it was. It was a blue one, but it was 234 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: a special one and I knew then and there my 235 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: knees almost crumbled and I ran up the stairs and 236 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: to our home. And I mean there was three days 237 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: that I could say. And when you were talking earlier, 238 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: you do it's like a primal cry. It's it's from 239 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: the depth of your soul. I knew and I didn't 240 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: want it, you know, you want to find Molly, but 241 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't the way we had hoped, you know, and 242 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: my I mean I cried and it just that was 243 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: one of the worst I have to say days. And 244 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: I howled, and I every piece of me was spent. 245 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: And say, you know that you say it was a 246 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: special swimsuit that in the moment you saw you knew 247 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: what it was. What was it that you knew beyond 248 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit? No, I really I 249 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: don't know to analyze it. I think it's just that 250 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I was the mother. I picked it out. It was 251 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: the color, and they think there was a little bit. 252 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: She was going to the training for the lifeguards and 253 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: she needed a certain kind of you know, a tank 254 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: suit type. So I knew that material, and it was blue, 255 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: but it had some you know, it had to be 256 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: a little bit cool, so it had some mixed colorings 257 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of different things. And I seen it. 258 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: I knew, I just knew. And you know, again, they 259 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: had to send the police in, they had to send 260 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: the search party, and they had and I mean that 261 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: began a really another whole experience because the first day 262 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah, 263 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: it was a shin bone, but it could possibly be 264 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had 265 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: rib bones, and then by the third day they had 266 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: her skull. I mean what mother sees. You know. We 267 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but 268 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: we only had plenty four bones that were found. But 269 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get our dental records, 270 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, so that's they had to certainly make sure 271 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: it was Molly's and I think that was the only 272 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: way we were able to They were able to say 273 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: the police. But I Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Crime 274 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to a beautiful, beautiful 275 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: young girl, Molly bish Heather Bish is Molly's sister, Heather. 276 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: What do you recall of this time? Well, I think, 277 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: you know, I again, it was still that it couldn't 278 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: be possible that Molly was abducted at you know, I 279 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: thought that in the beginning that it had to be 280 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: a mistake, and you know, sort of the same thing 281 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: that this company, right, there's there's got to be an 282 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: explanation for this. And then as the moments in time 283 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: kept passing and Molly didn't pop out in it anywhere, 284 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, that's when we realized her her peril. She 285 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: was in a great day feel of peril. So you know, 286 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: we became increasingly anxious. I think when even when we 287 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: found the bathing suit for me, you know, I think 288 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: it just kind of just hold on to hope, like 289 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe he stripped her and threw 290 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: the bathing suit in the woods or or something. We 291 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: just want want to believe something as terrible as as 292 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: her loss isn't isn't going to be what the final 293 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: end of the story is. And for me, I can 294 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: remember the day that the State police actually came up 295 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: to the house on June ninth when when they did 296 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: find LESCo, because people were coming over to my mom's 297 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: house every day and I had been living in Western 298 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: mass at the time and driving out every morning with 299 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: my three year old, and it was about a forty 300 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: five minute drive and for a three year old to 301 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: have to go potty all the time, that's like two 302 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: potties stop never never easy, easy trip. But we were 303 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: doing that daily to to um ensure that we were 304 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: we were all together. And I remember we had just 305 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: gotten there on June ninth and there are people in 306 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: the driveway and my mom was talking and UM. In 307 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: the distance, I could see the district attorney and the 308 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: head of our investigation UM walking up the driveway and 309 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: they were wearing suits, and it was, you know, the 310 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's a real, 311 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: really a hot day to be wearing a full suit 312 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: like that. And then it just I just knew. I thought, 313 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: I just knew like this that this is this is 314 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: the final they're gonna tell us. Now. You know what's 315 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: interesting that you're saying and I hate to keep projecting, 316 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: but what you're saying is like striking so many chords 317 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: in me. You just when you saw those guys in 318 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: the suits, you knew, yeah, And I'm just I really, 319 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: I just I just really wanted to run away, to 320 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't even want to hear 321 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: what they were going to going to say. I just 322 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: thought if I could run, I would be able to 323 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: outrun the truth or the reality or you know. It 324 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: just felt like everything's going to change now, our whole life, 325 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: everything we'd ever feel face again that you your mind 326 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: tries to get around it or or or bend with it. 327 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Because I remember I would wake up in the mornings 328 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: and I would think that Keith was still alive and 329 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: this had been some elaborate ruse, and I would a dream. 330 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: I would dream and this is so I don't know 331 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: exactly what this means, because I never saw a shrink 332 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: about it. Probably should. I would dream that Keith wanted 333 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: to get out of the engagement, and so he had 334 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: faked the whole thing, because you know, this close to 335 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: us getting married, he had decided that. In my dream, 336 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: and I'd wake up and I got, oh, thank god, 337 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: he's alive, and it's just you know, and then I'd wait, 338 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I would have it. I would have 339 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: dreams that Molly was still alive, but she would be 340 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, she would have gone off with her friends 341 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: to Florida, or she went on you know, she went 342 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: on a trip and she was just back and she 343 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: was going to see her old boyfriend. And I would 344 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: be I remember in the dreams feeling like, no, you 345 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: can't go on. I definately want to be with you 346 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: and hang out with you, And generally that's not how 347 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty year old to feel about their teenage sisters. So 348 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: I've always sort of thought about those dreams later now 349 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: in life and thought, chief, you know, maybe Molly was 350 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: trying to tell me in some capacity that she was okay, 351 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, and it was just me feeling of desperate feeling. 352 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish. 353 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: Does June twenty seventh, two thousand mean anything to you. 354 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home, 355 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived 356 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: at the pond. The sand truck was there. We watched, 357 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: mesmerized like little children as the sand fell gently to 358 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: the ground. Molly and Mom for the last time Molly 359 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: said goodbye, I love you and ran off. It was 360 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard. 361 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: That was the last time I saw or heard for 362 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my 363 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces. 364 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: Her remains were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side 365 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: three years later. The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. 366 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: We're constantly getting tips and leads on it. We're moving 367 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: forward and going through the beginning to now. We started 368 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: talking to some of the original investigators, just bringing them 369 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: in as a group, and we also have a disc 370 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: attorney assigned to the case. So they came in and 371 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: we just started going over there observations that notes their feelings, 372 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, things like that Maggie bish could never imagine 373 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: a moment that she'd never see her daughter Molly ever. Again, 374 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: Molly could be very shy and she could be very silly. 375 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone. 376 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We 377 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, So 378 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to 379 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: have known her as an adult with me is Maggie Bish. 380 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm 381 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: June morning, two thousand, the search still on from Milly's killer. 382 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to imagine your your v you know, 383 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: you pull up and you at a distance see all 384 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: these guys in suits and your driveway, and I'm trying 385 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: to imagine what Maggie, what that? What that was? When 386 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: press A van pulls up and they run up. What 387 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: did they have a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well, 388 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I guess this, Like I said, this 389 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: person didn't believe it. So they had six TVs going on. 390 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: There were six TVs in that van, and there was 391 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: every vantage point that they could take the picture. I 392 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: mean it truly was a small piece of bathing suit 393 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: that was peeking out from underneath twigs and old leaves, 394 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: and it was just taking in different rooms views and 395 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take me a second to gather 396 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: that information to you know men, the seconds to night, 397 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: I ran up the stairs because I knew I closed 398 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: my door in my room and I began to howl. 399 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: I was on my knees, and you know, John was 400 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: down there talking and I just like Ford this the 401 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean because again we adjusted missing Children's Day for 402 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: the folks from Massachusetts. It was a beautiful day of 403 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: great We were coming home feeling at least we're doing 404 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: something positive, and you know, we always will miss Molly. 405 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: That's but to see this was it was too close 406 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: to knowing that this was not good. Crime stories with 407 00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace with me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly 408 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two 409 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: thousand to search still on for Molly's killer. We are 410 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: now hearing rumblings that DNA, DAX, arrivo niclay acid tests 411 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: are stirring little seeds of hope. What do you know 412 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: about a potential DNA test? You want to talk d Yeah, sure. 413 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: Every so often they'll take pieces of evidence and submit 414 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: them for DNA testing and they'll try to compare it 415 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: when they have a few years ago, they had a 416 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: really quote unquote good person of interest down in Florida 417 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: and they you know, had taken some DNA from there 418 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: and submitted it and then nothing was sort of a hit. 419 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: Um so as so I guess our hope sort of 420 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: lies in the science and technology that you know, sort 421 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: of helping investigators solve these older cases. And UM, so 422 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: last year they took twenty four pieces of evidence UM 423 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: to retest and so they don't exactly tell us what 424 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: what they took or where it came from, but we 425 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: know it was twenty four pieces of evidence UM, and 426 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: they resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they 427 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: like I said that the technology increases in the touch 428 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: DNA becomes available, UM, they they will continuously keep keep 429 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: resubmitting for particularly these older cases because they've had they've 430 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: been able to UM, you know, solve cases based on 431 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: this DNA. I mean the Siege of Hope. Are that 432 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: taken and they're being re examined with new TECHNI except 433 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: were not possible at that time. I mean that is 434 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: a huge big deal because I recall trying rape cases, 435 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: murder cases, you name it, with no DNA. You know 436 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: what I'd have. I'd have blood, blood sample and I 437 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: could say, well, the suspect is a positive and the 438 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: perpetrator was a positive. That was it, or maybe a 439 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: hair and I could say the rapist or the killer 440 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: is a Caucasian male with ex hair. I mean that 441 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: was it. There was no nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. 442 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: So this is a major development that they are doing this. 443 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this UM deep ground 444 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: sonar test that's being done. What do we know about that? Yeah, so, 445 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: you know, over the years, we've you know, because law 446 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work on 447 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: their own and and you know, they don't necessarily report 448 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: to victim families. That can become very frustrating for victim families. 449 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: UM And because we you know, felt very strongly that 450 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: we wanted this to be solved. We wanted our community 451 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: to feel safe. We wanted our friend's kids to feel safe. 452 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, we've we've all grown up here where you know, 453 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: and some capacities, family to each other. What do you 454 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: think they hope to find heather with a ground penetrating 455 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: radar and it's on a private property in an undisclosed 456 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: location in Worcester County? What what does that mean? What 457 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: was that where the swimsuit was found, Maggie in Worcester County? No, No, 458 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: it was where we received it. A So, so I'm 459 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: just trying to put the backstrore here. We um from 460 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: FA friends in the area. Person who has a PhD 461 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: in criminology, and I sort of formed this sort of 462 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: investigative team. It kind of came off to our fundraisers 463 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and things like that. We developed this little team. This 464 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: little team developed these um campaigns. So one year we 465 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: did billboards, another year we did ads. Each time we 466 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: do one, we do a tip campaign. And so we 467 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: had a just one Piece campaign because the state police 468 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: that always said we're one piece away from solving this crime. 469 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: During our just one Piece campaign, we received a number 470 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: of tips on a particular person who stayed at this 471 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: particular campground in Worcester County. This next year, we had 472 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: another campaign. We called it just one Car because we 473 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: were trying to identify this light car. Was it tied 474 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: to this person that we tried? The location right right? 475 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: So let me understand the location is the campground where 476 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: a potential suspect stayed. Okay, got it. And what do 477 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: you think, Maggie, they are looking for with the deep 478 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: ground search. Well, I understand that it has the potential 479 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: to be able to recognize metal or rock or anything, 480 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: and especially if there was something of some size. You know, 481 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: bearing a car is quite big, you know, how deep 482 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: could they go? So this radar has a way to 483 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: analyze how the depths and how significant that you know, 484 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: if it's metal or something that you know, I guess 485 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: that's what they do. They do some kind of a 486 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, computation and it determines. So from what we understand, 487 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: there were three places that they felt some interest. Now 488 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, again they have to hand that information over 489 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: to the state police, and the state police have to 490 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, decide if it's worth digging or going into. 491 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: Now again, it could be it's like this whole story again. 492 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: You always get hopeful, but you have to kind of 493 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: protect yourself from disappointment. You've got to you know, you 494 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: don't really you want it if but you're scared. The 495 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: emotional battle within is unbelievable because you've been doing this 496 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: so long now that you want it, but we don't 497 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: get to choose any of it, you know. So now 498 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: it's tradeful Maggie that other girls similar in age to 499 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: Molly also we're kidnapped. Yes, we have a girl that 500 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: was ten years old, a little bit younger in Sturbridge, 501 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: which is a twenty minute a distance from our home, 502 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: and she was taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There 503 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: had been some cases maybe even a little older, that 504 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: were in northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New York border, 505 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: and there was a gentleman that they thought was a 506 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: serial killer up there that might have that involved. I mean, 507 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's so sad. I mean, you hear these 508 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: horrible cases, but you don't understand. I mean, certainly I 509 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: wasn't one that you know, really understood any of this. 510 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, now, I know all these families who have 511 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: struggled and who keep struggling, you know, to find their 512 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: loved ones on how they deal with it, and it 513 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: is very very hard. So you know, again there possibly 514 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: could be serial killer out there, and that's what worried 515 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: us because this to me, honestly, Nancy, how does a 516 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: normal person do something this horrific? And that is so 517 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: it's like when you throw the rock into the river 518 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: and the ripples. It has caused so much pain to 519 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: Molly's friends, our family out into the community, the fear 520 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: that he's somewhere. Please write this number down eight seven 521 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: seven two nine eight five one five five toll free 522 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: eight seven seven two nine eight five one five five 523 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: One day this case will be solved. Molly bish still 524 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: on our minds, still in our hearts than Maggie Heather. 525 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, thank you. I can't thank you enough. 526 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: And you will always be one of my most special 527 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: people in the world and I appreciate it so much. 528 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: And you're helping so many people and you're still continuing, 529 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: and from my Molly, we thank you with all our hearts. 530 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: By Race Crime, a story signing off goodbye friend.