WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 2/12: Super Bowl Recap, Pre-Combine Draft Tiers, Initial Mock Drafts 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.200 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:11.039 Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazarn. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:15.760 Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our barat. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.320 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:22.680 With that in mind, I want to segue to the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.160 coaching staff a little bit and talk some Patriots. We'll 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:26.960 take some emails. Oh, take some. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.520 I'm gonna talk about this tremendous defense they've built. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:30.640 Phillies. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.199 Yeah, now, I'm not that interested in The defense is unbelievable. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.440 It's good defense. I don't know if it' unbelievable. It's 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:37.000 good defense. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:38.839 That front's awesome, man, come on. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.360 It's good front. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.959 Oh no, Evan, why are you saying because you were 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.880 just gonna pass by talking about that defense last week? 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.919 Because I don't care. I still don't care. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.680 They had one of the greatest performances in Super Bowl history. Relax, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.880 they had one of the that was one of the 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.560 best defensive performances in recent Super Bowl history. Who else 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:01.080 is up there? 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.640 Really? I mean the Patriots against the Rams in twenty 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:10.360 eighteen for one, Okay, the Broncos against the Panthers twenty 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.840 fifteen better, greatest Super like, let's let's all relax. It's 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.160 just slit. That's all just. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.320 It's a good front. It's a good front, fifty pressure 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.800 rate with no blitz. Yeah, they're good. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.400 Okay against a calm down against a backup left tackle 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.000 and a backup left guard and Patrick Mahomes playing terrible 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.280 in the game. It's a great want me to say. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.760 I want you crazy, I want there were a great 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.080 want to say there was a great defense and give 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.360 them recognition instead of blowing by him like you tried 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:45.119 to do last week. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.040 Oh my god, I didn't like you think that this 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.320 is all premeditated, like it's not that deep. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.760 No, I honestly totally forgot about that clip, But boy 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.120 did that sound great coming back from that game. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.400 Got them very fired up right out of the gate 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.560 there marine with that opening. My goodness. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.200 Not unless you just respect that defense, especially when because 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.000 we're gonna talk about like four those like everything has 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.120 to be like, oh, this is the greatest thing of 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.760 all time. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.000 Like everybody claims that I have this like bad recency bias. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.240 This whole world has a terrible recency bias, Like can 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.320 we all just calm down? We did the same thing 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.960 with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, And no, it wasn't Paul, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.480 it wasn't the Oh, it was just this chapter versus 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.960 Brady's first. No, there was genuine conversation going into the 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.120 Super Bowl about whether or not the Chiefs dynasty was 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.280 better than the Patriots. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.560 Fact fact, And they got punked. So let's give credit 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.960 to the group who punked them. Two things. One, we're 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.840 gonna talk about like three or four guys on that 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.160 defensive front is potential Patriots today, So let's let's give 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:47.800 them their credit. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.359 And I have a I have a take on that. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.320 That that okay. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.080 And two you mentioned rec bias. We're doing recency bias 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.760 players today. Might two that are gonna get right under 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:58.120 your skin. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:58.760 We might. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.080 I know you have one of them, very interested. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.560 I gotta take a breath. We just started out. We 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.359 came in hot today. I don't even know why we 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.760 just did. You just got so excited over there about 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.400 your little, your little moment in the sun for defense 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.280 that mattered. Hey, Patriots fans. 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As the 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.200 game unfolded and as I watched that absolutely beautiful massacre 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.760 of everybody's darling, the Kansas City Chiefs, I had a 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.120 lot of fun watching the Eagles kill the Chiefs. The 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.440 DeVante Smith touchdown. I definitely got excited out of my 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.800 chair for that one. That was like nail in coffin No. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.000 Twenty eight to three reducts, like this game is over 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.520 over when that happened, and we talked a little bit 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.360 about it last week. I was annoyed last week about 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.800 all the talk about comparing the two dynasties and comparing 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.560 Brady and Mahomes and Reid and Bill and all this 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.280 kind of stuff. And I feel vindicated. And I don't 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.560 think Patriots fans. Don't let them figure wag you into 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.200 this victory. Lap, like, take your victoria here, take it to. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.280 What Jim Murray said on the Sports of this Week. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.600 We had to hear this crap for the last two weeks, correct, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.839 you know, Oh, well, you know, if you're so good 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.200 and you're so secure, be the bigger man, act like 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.120 you've been. No. No, we got finger wagged for the 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.240 last two weeks, called fanboys for Oh, you don't know 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.600 what you're talking about. You're just emote. First of all, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.560 you could be emotional about that team for a lot 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.000 of us, that's like what we grew up on. Second 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.159 of all, Yeah, when we had to hear things that 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.400 were wrong non stop for two weeks, we're gonna be 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.760 a little annoyed. And now that we've been proven right, 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.960 like we knew we were going to be, we have 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:02.960 a right to enjoy it. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.560 Yeah, that I agree with. And then they moved the 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.880 goalpost and they changed the argument to oh, actually was 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.800 just comparing Mahomes's first seven seasons right as at seven seven, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.560 eight seasons with Brady's first you know chapter and. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.000 No, no, no, no, you were him the greatest of 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.160 all time. Yeah, And people even say, well, no, that's 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.080 not what we were saying. No, that is exactly what 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.120 you were saying. You were saying he was going to 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.799 pass Brady historically, and that this is the whole thing about. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.960 When the goat conversation is over, it should have never begun. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.960 That's the point. Having it at this stage is so 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.800 ludicrous because the longevity matters. And to not include that 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.080 part when when you were all saying, oh, you can't 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.240 give Brady props for being a longevity merchant, you absolutely 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.640 can in the National Football League playing over two decades. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.320 When you were all down playing the whole longevity thing, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.440 this is exactly why we were telling you to shut up, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.800 because it matters what you do over the entirety of it. 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.400 So you're you're going crazy right now over this. This 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.640 was your station's doing. This was your stations doing, Jim Murray, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.480 this was your station's doing. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.560 It was not just a sports time no, but. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.640 Every single guest that they had on during Super Bowl 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.120 Week last week, that those were the questions they were proposing, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:29.520 Bill or Reid, Brady or Mahomes I think Helsey or Gronk, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.360 Chiefs or Patriots, Which one's better, which one's more impressive? 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:38.800 All this and again not to this point, there was 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:44.080 legitimate conversations about this being a competition overall that were 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.719 way premature, And when you really look at it now, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.560 for Mahomes, he's twenty nine years old, going to be 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.560 going into his age thirty season here. If he were 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.159 to catch Brady, he'd basically have to win a Super 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.560 Bowl every other year for the next decade, yep, to 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:04.479 catch Brady, And that in itself, I think is totally 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.480 far fetched that that is going to happen. Are they 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.600 gonna have a puncher's chance as long as Mahomes is 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.720 healthy and Mahomes is upright? Yeah, absolutely, they'll be in 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.000 it every single year, just like the Patriots were in 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.760 it every single year. But to expect them to now 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.400 not have any drought like the Patriots had. The Patriots 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.280 went a decade without winning one. Now they were in 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.880 a couple, but they went a decade without winning one. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.520 Expecting Patrick Mahomes to rattle off another five Super Bowl 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.280 wins to pass Brady and then that next ten years 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.240 of his career, assuming he makes it that long to 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.360 begin with, is why this was all crazy to begin with. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.720 And I can't believe how much of a conversation it 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:43.640 was last week. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:48.040 And for all the renegging on the Mahomes Brady conversation, 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.200 which is absolutely appropriate. I actually think Sunday was a 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.040 worse look for Andy Reid than Patrick Mahomes. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:53.840 I could see that. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.960 And that's not say it wasn't a bad look for Mahomes, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.560 but the guy. I mean, if we're going to talk 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.240 about him in the same breath as Belichick, Belichick's the 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.559 greatest defensive mind in the history of the game. Andy 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.360 Reid has to be the greatest offensive mind in the 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.480 history of the game to be in that conversation, and 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.080 I mean, I can see if you want to start 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.280 going down that road, but on the biggest stage. And 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.280 Is Felger called it this week the Final Exam, which 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.400 I think is true. We were allowed to grade these 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.760 games more than other games. We are absolutely allowed to 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.200 put more weight on these games, positive and negative than 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:29.559 other games. We got stopped. And did you see any 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.680 sort of real adjustment in there, any sort of creativity. Yes, 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.079 the offensive line was not good. Move Joe Tooney back 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.640 into guard. Try that mix in a screen. Do some 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.440 you rpo something to counter the offensive line struggling? That 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.360 was not the same creative Chiefs offense we've seen at times. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.679 I did not see the appropriate adjustments in there that 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.440 you would expect from a coach with Reed's pat agree, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.880 it was a rough look for Andy Reid. And he 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.120 has plenty of good games too that are on his resume. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.439 But that one is going to sit there as a knock. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.680 That one is absolutely gonna sit there as a. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.319 So I agree, now, just to be objective a little 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.360 bit sure, and be fair a little bit. I also 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.400 watched the Philadelphia Eagles in twenty seventeen go up and 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.720 down the field against the Patriots defense. Yeah. Now, granted 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.319 that was a Malcolm Butler situation that was maybe a 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.760 little bit actenuating circumstance what is but there was no 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.720 adjustments that night. There was no there. There was no 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.760 Belichick masterful stroke. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.240 And you know what happened after that. A lot of 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.520 people came out and started saying, maybe Belichick isn't the 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.960 greatest of all time. A lot of people that Bill, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.360 and I'm not saying they're right, but Bill still has 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.160 to wear that game, I think more than any game 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:40.760 in his career. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.200 Yeah. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.840 So if that was the case for Bill, this is 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.559 this Bill one out of his way to sabotage that game, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.720 it is a little different, and Andy Reid might not 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.240 have had that option of Oh, we have this, you know, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.640 potential silver bullet. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.400 In our back pocket and we're just not gonna play it. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.200 Like I maybe that is makes it a little bit different. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:03.120 Doesn't that make it work for Reid? He couldn't come 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.760 up with an answer. Bill had an answer, he didn't 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:05.120 go to it. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.640 Yeah, we couldn't come up with that, I guess. I mean, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.520 I just think if you're gonna hold it against Reid 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.440 in terms of you know, adjusting, lack of adjustments and 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.839 no answers and all that kind of stuff. I mean, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:21.559 there were games, especially that one, where defensively the Patriots, 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.600 you know, Bill's side of the ball had no answers 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.040 for an opponent. And then offensively there were games where, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.120 you know, the two Giant Super Bowls, where they really 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.320 didn't play a great offense in those games. Now, that's 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.800 not Bill's side of the ball, so I guess you 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.400 don't hold that directly against him in the same. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.079 Also, they never got blown out like that, No, it 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.920 was never as lopsided that that I think was really. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.439 What stood out. And then we can kind of talk 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.640 about sort of the rosters and things like that. But 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.120 I think one of the main things that stood out 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.560 from this perspective, the Patriots Chiefs thing was just the 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.760 Patriots always stayed attached, like they always found a way 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.760 to keep the game close, whether it was you know, 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.360 the second Eagles Super Bowl where Brady throws for six 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.680 hundred yards and basically goes round for round with the 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.160 Eagles offense to keep the Patriots in the game, or 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.319 the Patriots defense you know, basically in two thousand and 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.400 seven keeping it a game for a period of time. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.960 You know, they were able to always stay close and 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.480 attached on the scoreboard, where they had the leads in 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.200 fourth quarters, they had possessions where they could take the 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.880 lead in fourth quarters, you know, things of that nature. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.200 And they never let anybody get away from them on 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.120 the scoreboard, which is just extremely impressive in something that's 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.040 a feather in their cap. You can't deny that they 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.600 were never embarrassed on the biggest stage twice. Now this 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.160 Chiefs dynasty has been embarrassed at the Super Bowl twice, 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.760 So we'll see. And you know, to all the comments 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.200 I see a lot from Chiefs Kingdom and those you 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.959 know that Brady will go lost to the Ravens in 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.280 the divisional round like all of a sudden, the nine 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.240 divisional round is making a comeback, ye or was that 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.040 the wildcard round? 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.240 Part? We're allowed to say that game means more in 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.040 both directions. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.960 In both directions, I think it's just funny that we're 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.480 now going back like fifteen years to like a random 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.160 wildcard loss to now find a way to like compare 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.040 it and with that season, you know, there's context, Like 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.360 Brady was coming off to torn acl in two thousand 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.600 and eight, so he wasn't completely at his peak of 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.640 his powers coming back from the injury. As we all 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.240 know around here. Wes Welker blows out his knee in 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.480 a meaningless Week seventeen game in Houston. I will never 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.760 forget that. I was devastated at the time. I couldn't 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.440 believe it. I was like, oh my god, Now that 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.160 didn't Wes Welker wasn't going to tackle Ray Rice Like, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.640 that's not It wasn't all because of that, but that 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.800 obviously took the air out of the balloon a lot 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.760 for the Patriots offense and their ability to match what 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.880 the Ravens were doing offensively that day without their best 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.360 player at that position at that point. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.800 And it's just different in the Super Bowl. And if 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.439 you look at the games, has had really one great 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.880 Super Bowl. Even in some of the wins he's been pedestrian. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.120 He has multiple interceptions in three or five he has 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.960 a seven to six it's I think is it's seven 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.080 to six or eight to seven touchdown interception ratio aided 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.520 by that ridiculous stat adding performance at the end of 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.160 the game. Yeah, which robbed us of Carson Wentz super 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.080 Bowl snaps first the Eagles, which would have been hilarious. Uh, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.480 we're allowed to get those games count more. We're allowed 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.840 to count those And it goes both ways. If Mahomes 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.160 comes out, you know, down the road and throws her 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.480 five hundred yards in a Super Bowl, that will mean 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.040 significantly more than you know, if he did it in 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.080 you know whatever, the thirteen second game. Yeah, it means 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.120 a lot more than that. So those Gateway it's a 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.120 what have you done for me lately? Sport? And I 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.520 will say on the flip side, I'm always somebody who 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.880 says when people are like, oh, Brady, you know the 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.679 eighteen Super Bowl, Brady sucked. You know, it's all about 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.000 you know, what are you doing that game? No, it's 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.080 winning a super Bowl is about the whole season and 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.880 not just that one game. So it will be fair there. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.480 Patrick Mahomes did have another good season. It wasn't as 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.560 good as some of this bed another good season. But 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.480 you want to take the discussion to that level, you 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.360 want to talk about the greatest of all time, not 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.240 just great, but the greatest of all time. Those games 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.120 are tie breakers, and I don't think Brady needs the 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.920 tie breakers he had over Mahomes. But if we get 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.240 to that point, or Belichick needs it over Read or 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.360 Gronk over Kelsey who was non existent. Yeah, if we 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.920 get to the point where those games do come into 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.600 the conversation actually come into the conversation as tiebreakers, we 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.640 are absolutely allowed to weigh those more than I'm sorry, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.120 the nine wild card, regardless of what the circumstances were 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:39.600 in that game. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.440 Yeah, if you really look at it, at this point, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:48.720 Patrick Mahomes has had up until twenty eleven. For Tom Brady, right, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.040 he's been to five Super Bowls, he's won three, he's 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.960 lost two, and I know that Brady, you know there's 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.880 a longer period of time for Brady than Mahomes. But essentially, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.240 Mahomes has had Chapter one. And I think what a 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.880 lot of people forget or just didn't give enough credence 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.360 to is that Brady had this whole second chapter with 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.120 the Patriots from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen where he 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.160 won three more and then went to another one and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.120 then one again in Tampa Bay. Like he had two 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.720 Hall of Fame careers, Mahomes has one right now. He 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.880 has a one Hall of Fame career. He's gonna be 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.920 a first ballot Hall of Famer, as he should be. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.240 But right now, Patrick Mahomes, the comparisons for him are 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:34.760 Joe Montana and you know, John Elway and Peyton Manning 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.880 and Troy Aikman. Troy, He's a better quarterback than Troy Aikman. 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.240 But I just mean the three Super Bowls. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.480 I think he's past Peyton I'll give him that. I 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.760 think he's past Peyton Manning because of his two Super 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.800 Bowl wins, one of which he was undoubtedly carried to 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.040 right like, he didn't have a ton of success in 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.880 the postseason. Beyond that, Mahomes has been much more consistent. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.400 I'll put Mahomes ahead of Manning at this point. I 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.760 said that last year, so this isn't a new take. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.240 I think him in Montana is kind of the debate 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:05.720 right now. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.880 I always give Peyton a lot of credit, and I 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.320 think Brady gives Peyton a lot of credit for the 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.520 field general stuff. Yeah, like that that really changed the game. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.640 Like quarterbacks, I don't think we're doing that where they 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.160 were making all the calls at the line of scrimmage 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.680 and audibling and checking into plays and really controlling the 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.920 chessboard like Peyton would and being that advanced in terms 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.040 of the pre snap reads and the pre snap processes 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.560 and all that stuff. Brady kind of added that onto 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.160 his game because Peyton was doing it right. You know, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.560 it's another thing to master, to add to the skill set, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.760 to add to the repertoire. And with Mahomes, he's he 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.920 kind of changed the game with his playing style. He's 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.000 an unorthodox quarterback. He doesn't have like the picture perfect 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.320 mechanics like Brady did, and he doesn't have some of 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:02.080 those what there's like cliche quarterback things. He changed the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.960 game to dual thread and off script and off platform 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.639 and all that kind of stuff. Now being the in 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.800 vogue style of play. You know, That's what in a 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.040 lot of ways drew people to Drake May you know, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.200 is that he has that ability to do those types 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.400 of things. What I wonder for mahomes and and I'm 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.800 really curious, like I'm actually genuinely curious to see what 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.600 he does here as those physical tools start to diminish 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.439 into his thirties a little bit, can he pivot to 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.560 being the Brady style quarterback. I think he's shown signs 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.800 of it. I think he's gotten a lot better at 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.080 reading defenses and pre snap and all that kind of stuff. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.159 But I want, like that's going to have to be 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.680 the pivot, because you're not going to be able to 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.199 run around and make plays like that forever. And he 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.760 hasn't done it as much lately as maybe he did 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.520 early on in his career. But I wonder if he'll 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.160 have that ability, And I'm looking forward to seeing if 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.399 he can, because that's how he's going to prolong his career. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.800 He's going to prolong his career by becoming a really 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:01.520 good pocket. Well. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.439 The other interesting thing is he's gonna have to do it, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.600 at least some of that without Andy Reid, Like, if 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.760 he matches Brady, he plays twenty years. He's not gonna 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.000 do that all with any Reid. And I know Reid 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.200 said he'll be back next year. 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.120 Yeah, It'll be like a Bill Losh George Sefferts type 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:14.720 of situation. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.960 Right. So, and look, Brady did it all with Bill, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:23.480 but there were different offensive coordinators in there, there were different iterations. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.400 And then obviously he goes to tamp and reinvents himself. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.800 So that's another feather in the cap that Mahomes needs 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.040 to have. Let's talk about I think that's enough, singer Wagon. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.960 Let's talk about the rosters, because there are some interesting 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.480 things to polk here from the Patriots there for the 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.920 Patriots from a past perspective, the overwhelming narrative coming off 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.240 of this Super Bowl is the trenches, which you know, welcome, 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.560 like Glad's the glad we're here, right. But I feel 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.399 like that is something that we should talk about a 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.880 little bit more though, because the other shoe to drop 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.359 kind of off the Super Bowl, and I myself included 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.800 during the game, tweeted I took the bait too a 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.480 little bit, was well, let's just sign all the Eagles 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.399 defensive linemen that at free agency. Yeah, and I'm not 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.800 sure I would be weary of doing that. Not that 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.160 I am completely saying don't go out and sign Josh 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.920 Wet or Milton Williams, but you also can't pay those 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.800 guys top of market contracts and expect to get the 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.520 exact same production that they were getting in Philly. You know, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.600 I don't know necessarily about Sweat. I think Sweat might 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.560 be able to kind of translate into different systems. But 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.639 like a guy like Zach Bond, for example, to me, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.240 screams he was in a perfect situation for his skill set. 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.600 He had a great defensive line in front of him 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.720 to keep him clean, he had Vic Fangio using him 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.119 exactly how he was supposed to be used. I would 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.679 just personally be a little bit weary of over extending 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.879 for those players in free agency and expecting them to 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.239 come in and put up the same production and if 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.439 they did in the in the postseason run, there is 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.639 no Jalen Carter, right, There's not going to be a 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.320 Nolan Smith on the other side for Josh Sweat. There's 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.800 not gonna be a Jalen Carter clogging double teams and 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:15.160 stuff like that for Milton Williams, Zach Bond is the system, 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.480 Is it Fangio, you know, is it the defensive line 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.640 he's in playing in front of him, you know those 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.560 types of elements of it. I do think you have 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.200 to factor in here absolutely. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.959 And it's like you said, you know, Josh Sweat comes here, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.439 He's going to get a lot more attention. Now you 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.159 hope Christian Barmore can come back. He's kind of that 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.720 guy getting some attention in the middle. You maybe draft 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.880 somebody on the other side, but you're building this thing up. 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.280 Josh Sweat's the one guy look at and look, can 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:39.960 you say that for just that any player? You know, 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:41.919 you put him in a new situation you don't know, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.760 so it can't scary off entirely. Josh Sweat's the one 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.600 guy I look at and say, yeah, he I think 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.320 he's not gonna put up those massive numbers, but he 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.040 translates he can be a primary pass rusher, which they need. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.439 He's arguably the best player at his position in free 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.679 agency this year. PFF has him as the second ranked 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.680 edge rusher behind Khalil Mack, who just doesn't make sense 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:06.640 for the Patriots at this point. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:07.680 Game wonder. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.320 Yeah, right, so Josh Sweat is the one guy I 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.439 would hammer in on. But to your point off the top, like, 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.800 I know, we've had people calling or I've had people 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.920 tweet at me and like, oh are we bringing back 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.680 Sodo Sign one Draft one attackle right, all that it's 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.359 not Sodo. It's Triple T this year. Trenches, trenches, trenches. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.840 That is that is the theme for the off season. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.560 Triple T trenches, trenches, trenches. We had. We went from 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.359 Sodo last year was QBA three. Yeah, and now it's 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.240 Triple T trenches, trenches, trenches. 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.159 I would like to think that we were headed towards 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.720 Triple T. Anyways, given the fact that they were dead 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.199 last and now that it's nice Sason dead last and 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.280 pass block win rate dead last and run block win rate. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.800 They've been dead last and pass block win rate two 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:52.600 years in a row. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.399 Yeah, So and it's been like historically bad. It's not 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.359 just like their last the last year. Weren't they the 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.000 worst even like the last decade. 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:03.040 Yeah, it was bad, and I really would like to 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.560 think that it wasn't just the Super Bowl that swayed 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.600 them towards Oh now we have to address the offensive line, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.359 like I would hope that we were already here well 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:12.120 before that point. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.680 That was the philosophy in Tennessee. And they didn't ultimately 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.000 get there. But you look at the way they kind 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.359 of built it up in Tennessee. It was when I 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.879 say trenches, we I include linebackers in that, like front 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.480 seven players, Right, That's kind of how they started building 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:28.080 it in Tennessee. 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.200 Yeah, and I'm all for it, like I've been all 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.400 for it. The one thing that I would point at 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.440 though with this, with the way that they approach it, 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.760 is I do think accently relocate or allocation and value 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.359 and all that stuff does matter. And I think a 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.960 lot of people hear the word value and think of 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.440 Bill trading down and you know, Bill, you doing things that, oh, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.200 we're gonna sign this player who's seventy five percent as 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.479 good as that player, but he's half the price. Like 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.800 that's not necessarily what I'm saying. All saying is is 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.399 you know what is the best approach in terms of 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.920 allocating resources based off of the board, like, for example, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.199 in the draft. And we're gonna get into like the 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.600 tiers that I posted on Patriots dot Com this morning 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.199 and get into your mock draft too a little bit 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.480 as well. When you look at this draft, it's absolutely 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.440 loaded on the defensive line. They have defensive lineman through 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.679 the third and fourth round that have starter grades for 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.879 some people. Daniel Jeremiah CD he has twenty four starter 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.159 grades on defensive linemen in this try defensive tackles and 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.120 that's a huge number. So you have not a guy 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.480 that gives those easily either. Yeah, you have to look 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.720 at the the way you know the drop offs, right, 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.640 like where are the tiers, where are the clusters of players? 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:47.240 And it's an either or scenario. Would you rather a 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:51.040 Will Campbell at four? And then let's say, you know, 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.560 a tackle at thirty eight, you know, defensive tackle at 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.359 thirty eight, a pass rusher at thirty eight? Josh Sawyer 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:02.399 or or Jack Sawyer. I think it's like Josh Simmons 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.720 and Jack Sawyer, And for some reason, I like, I 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.800 like mix that up Jack, you know, Jack Sawyer, let's 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.720 just throw a name out there. Or would you rather 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.439 Mason Graham and Arianti Ursery? 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:15.800 Right? 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.240 You know, these are the conversations that are actually happening 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.040 inside a lot of buildings, maybe inside this building. So 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.480 there's that element of it. And then, like I mentioned, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:27.600 I think Josh Sweat would be a nice pickup for 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:29.879 the Patriots, but I'm not paying Josh Sweat twenty million 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:31.840 dollars a year because I don't think he's a twenty 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.280 million dollar a year player. I think he's a good player. 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.440 I think he's better than what you have in that role. 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.520 But I would also say that if you're gonna do that, 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.840 like that has to come as a compliment to an 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:44.600 interior guy that's also going to rush the passer, because 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.000 what was happening with Josh Sweat is he's getting the 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.879 quarterback is funneled to him right, Like he's right. You know, 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.879 Jalen Carter and Milton Williams and Nolan Smith and all 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.359 these other guys are pushing quarterbacks in his direction. Like 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.320 you have to find ways to do that too if 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.239 you're the Patriots. He can clean it up, like I think, 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.320 you can get the quarterback on the ground, and he 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.680 can sack the quarterback and do all those types of things. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.280 But he, to me, is not the centerpiece of your 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:08.920 pass rush. He's a complimentary. 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.520 Well, the other thing you have to remember is like 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.760 for everything they need to do they're not gonna do 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.240 everything they need to do this offseason. They can't. It's 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.680 too much. So do you pay Josh Sweat this year 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:23.840 knowing okay, like, we're gonna have an opportunity to get 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.120 that other guy next year, but this is our chance 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.639 to get this guy. We're gonna get them, Like, I 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.840 would just keep that in mind, that expecting them to 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.199 fill every single hole this offseason. I wrote about this 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:40.040 in my mock draft, Like I was pretty liberal with 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:43.560 some of the additions I made in free like hypothetical 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.440 editions I made in free agency. And even still I 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.840 couldn't get everything done that I wanted to get done, 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.320 because it's just they have so many needs and they 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.160 have a lot of resources. They have a lot more 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.520 than maybe any other team in the league. Yeah, but 0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:00.600 it is a finite amount. Yeah, and they needs so 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:04.640 much that it's there. There might be a two year 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.960 plan and we're gonna have we might have to see that. 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.280 You know, if they add a guy like Josh Sweat 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:11.680 and then they don't, and then you know it's bar 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.760 More and then who's on the other side, Well, that 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.159 guy might be coming next year. That might be Dylan Stewart, 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.000 would be two years, but like that guy might be 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.080 down the road. But this is just how these are 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.240 the guys we can get right now. They fit into 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.480 our plan. We're gonna add them, and then we'll get 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.720 the rest of the pieces as we go. I think 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.800 with Sweat in particular, it's interesting because not only is 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.200 it a clear need, even if he's not the primary guy, 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.240 he fits the tight They had a lot of success 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.439 with Harold Landry and Tennessee, who's kind of an undersized guy, 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.760 and that's the big Sweat. That's the big knock on 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.160 Josh Sweat right now. He's maybe a little smaller than 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.159 you want that that edge rusher to be. But they 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.760 made that work with Landry into a lesser extent some 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.560 other guys. So if he fits the mold of what 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.800 they're looking for, even if they can't get the player 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.200 to compliment him right now, they may look get it 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.520 and say let's just get him in so we have 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.840 him because we have a chance to add the kind 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.000 of player we want to add. And then if we 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:11.240 don't get to address the other part until next year, well, 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:12.919 now we have this taken care of, so we can 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.000 put more attention on that. 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.280 I definitely. I like Joshua as a player. I'll radiate 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.040 rediorate what I said. I just he to me cleans 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.560 up the trash, like he's the guy that is going 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.600 to get the quarterback on the ground. He's an athletic guy, 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.240 he can rush off the edge. Obviously he's gonna have 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.320 that ability to finish plays. But I don't think that 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.760 he's the one that is really starting to play right or. 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.679 I think you may be understelling him a little bit. 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.920 I don't think he's like a you know, sixteen sack 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.560 a year guy. 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:47.840 I mean, I don't think. I think he's had one 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.879 double digit sack season his entire career. 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.280 But how much of that, too is It's so funny 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.080 because you always talk about Georgia like this, and I'm 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.080 gonna apply it to the Eagles, which is all Georgia 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.440 guys up front. How much of that is There's only 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.919 so many sacks to go around for all of those players. 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.000 It could be a piece of it. I I just 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.760 I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm underselling him. I just 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.159 I would be weary. I don't think I think a 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.560 lot of those guys, like look at look at the 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:16.800 Patriots history of teams poaching that type of guy from 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.280 a Super Bowl roster thinking that they're gonna get that 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.080 type of player, that type of production, and it often 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.000 didn't go that way. 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.439 Well, let me flip it and it you know, different 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.440 kind of style of play. But Matthew Judon came from 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:36.480 a very successful Ravens front, ye came here and was 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.440 elevated because now he was the guy. 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:45.080 I guess I just like the way I think. No, okay, no, right, 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.640 But like Judoon was already making Pro Bowls with the Ravens, 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.920 that's true. I just I think judonim is a better player. 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.360 But I look at Josh Wett and I think he's 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.640 a little bit better than than Kyle van Noy was. 0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.680 But and kylevin Noy's had a great, uh kind of 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.480 resurgence here with the Ravens, by the way, So I'm 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.800 not trying to like throw shaite at Kyle van Noy. 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:09.760 But Kyle van Ney has this big breakout with the Patriots, 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.880 signs this huge contract with Miami in free agency, and 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.320 he wasn't the guy, Like, he wasn't the same guy. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.200 And I just worry about what this Eagles front. I 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.200 don't worry as much about it with Josh Sweat as 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.360 I do with Milton Williams. I think Milton Williams is 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:29.280 a really fun player. But Milton Williams, you have Jalen Carter, 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.200 you have Jordan Davis, you have a lot of guys 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.680 on the inside. He's basically a three technique in the 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.960 B gap, one on one with the guard all day long. 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.920 Like that was he got that advantage. Now, if you're 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.360 gonna tell me that Christian Barmore is going to draw 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.080 these double teams like you know, like Jalen Carter did, 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.400 then sure, I mean, I guess you could make that 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.040 argument that Milton Williams is still gonna see those types 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.520 of matchups. But that, to me was a lot of 0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.600 what led to Milton Williams' breakout. 0:29:59.640 --> 0:29:59.760 Was it? 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.480 He he was kind of like the fourth guy you 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:03.520 know that teams are worried. 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.520 I'm with you on that, Milton Williams. And I'm not 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.000 saying there isn't a place for Milton Williams in New England. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.160 There is, yeah, but for what he's gonna command, for 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.719 the role he's probably gonna play here like Josh Sweat's 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.080 the guy if you're gonna look at the Eagles for agents, 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.720 and who's most likely to come close to replicating the 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.560 impact on this defense that they had on the Eagles defense. 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.480 Josh Sweat. That doesn't mean Milton Williams wouldn't be a 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.400 good player here, But I don't think you're gonna be 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:30.400 able to get that guy. 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:30.880 Yeah. 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.200 Not anti them signing Milton Williams because they need guys 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.360 up the middle. Yeah, but he's not gonna be the 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:36.880 player he was in phil He's gonna have a different 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:37.240 role here. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.800 Yeah. I would agree with that, and we'll see what happens. 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:45.479 I just I wouldn't I wouldn't be overly upset if 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.040 they signed any of these guys. I again, it's just 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.520 the price tag thing for me. I just would be 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.600 weary of thinking, Okay, we're just gonna plug Josh Sweat 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.640 or Milton Williams or Zach Bond into our defense and 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.320 he's gonna play exactly like he did down the stretch 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.719 for Philadelphia. Like, I just don't know if that's going 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.440 to be the case. I mean, it's not quite like 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.560 this is the extreme extreme example, but like Cony ely right, 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.600 like as like the game of his life in the 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.160 Super Bowl for the Panthers and was never really heard 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.040 of from again. Do I think Milton Williams is gonna 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.200 be better than that post Super Bowl? Yeah? Probably, But 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.360 you know, those are the types of examples. I think 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.680 van Ney is probably a better example than that one. 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.720 You know, Malcolm Butler right like, has a great run 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.000 with the Patriots, signs this big contract with Tennessee. Isn't 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.800 the same player, right? You know that happened all all 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.880 the time with the Patriots and the dynasty years. There 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.240 is another eagle though, in the trenches that I would 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.640 be interested in. I was interested in him last year, 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.880 and I wish that the Patriots had been more aggressive. 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.720 I'm kind of in on mckaye Becton, like I would 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:51.000 be intrigued by McKay Beckton, probably to continue to play 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.080 him at guard, like, not at tackle. He played right 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.400 guard for Philly. I would play him on the left 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.920 side here. He played left tackle, you know, throughout his career, 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.080 so he's been on the left side before. But I 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.400 think that that's a player that had a really good year, 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.440 is hitting free agency. He'll probably get paid, but I 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.600 don't think he's gonna get like Tray Smith level money. Paid, 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.680 and that's a professional NFL caliber starting guard. And now 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.040 that's really where I'm at with the offensive line. I 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.160 bring up Tray Smith because he's also a free agent 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.400 with the Chiefs. We'll see if they let him get 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.160 to free agency. But I look at the Commander's model 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.520 a little bit more with this and say, just get 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.320 representable offensive lineman and free agency. I'm not expecting you 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.160 to go out there and sign you know, Joe Thomas, 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.000 Quentin Nelson, Zach Martin, right, just go out there and 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:47.040 get guys that can play in the league at the position, 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.000 and that just gives you a lot of flexibility about 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.680 what you do with everybody else. Like now, maybe Cole 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.600 Strange trains full time at center right and he's the 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.960 David Andrews replacement, or you know, Leyden Robinson. You're not 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.760 putting all your eggs in Laden Robinson's basket of having 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.360 a you know, year two leap and being a starting 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.400 caliber guard in year two, because I don't think he 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.920 was a starting caliber guard as a rookie. I think 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.040 he was a rookie guard as a rookie. So if 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.160 you get one of those types of players, a Makai 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:19.479 Becton type of player. It really just helps you in 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.520 a lot of ways. I think on the interior of 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:27.080 the offensive line. Just have respectable NFL caliber starters on 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.560 the line, and then maybe you can add some of 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.600 that that ceiling in the draft, you know it. Maybe 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.240 then it becomes a day too, you know, Josh Connerley 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.280 or three, you know, those types of guys that you 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.480 can kind of add to that ceiling of the group. 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.280 But I'm kind of Becton. I thought he had a 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:45.960 good year for them. 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.080 The Becdan thing interests me. Copycat league, right, Yeah, how 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.280 many teams are going to go out and try to 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.720 find these like oversized tackles that failed, yeah, and kicked 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.840 them inside the guard. Yeah, and that doesn't mean like 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.880 they can all do it, But I'm trying to think 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:03.760 of because these are the tackles that I always liked 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.560 that I was gravitating, right, Yeah, Darien Canard, who's already 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.760 kind of done this, you know, if he doesn't catch 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.960 on full time as a starter in Cleveland, Dwan Jones 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.040 would be somebody I could see doing this. Maybe some 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.960 guys in this draft I thought was very telling that 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.800 Anthony Belton took some guard reps at the Senior Bowl. 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.520 Given the way McKai Beckton broke out, it's gonna be 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.399 really interesting to see these teams try to find the 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.360 next Mackai Becton. But yeah, if you're the Patriots, you 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.960 want to do that, go to the original call him. 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:34.480 Yeah. I was in on Beckton on exactly the contract 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:39.080 that he ended up signing in Philadelphia last season, last offseason, 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.800 just that flyer, right, Like, I thought that out of 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.080 all the options that they had in free agency. Now, 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.080 I was thinking of him more a tackle obviously than 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.319 that card, but out of all the options that were 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.600 in the free agent market last year, at least there 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.000 was an upside there that, you know, a former first 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:58.240 round pick, still relatively young, really had his career derailed 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.239 with the Jets because of injuries more than any It 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:01.799 wasn't you know. When he was healthy, he was a 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.640 solid player in jazz in New York, right, and then 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.239 he goes to Philadelphia, goes gets with Stoutland and moves 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.920 inside and things look up for him. So I'm in 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.080 on Becton. I would be in on Sweat if I 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.640 was the Patriots. It's it's a little bit like a 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.160 t Higgins situation where you kind of have no choice 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.759 right to be in on Josh Sweat, but I'd be 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.239 wary of the money on those defenders in Philadelphia. All right, 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.279 So that that's the Super Bowl, I want to talk 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.759 a little bit draft. Now, we'll take your calls. Got 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.520 a lot of emails coming in as well. Eight five 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.760 five PATS five hundred is the phone number, and podcasts 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.600 at Patriots dot com is the email address. I always 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.200 want to say the old email address. I always forget. 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.080 It's the TPX hotline by the way, Okay, don't don't 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.080 say the old ones TPX hot line. But I want 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.360 to get into the tears that I posted today on 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.359 Patriots dot com, and I want to get into your 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.960 mock draft a little bit too as well. And these 0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.640 are sort of our both of our kind of first like, yeah, 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:01.520 stabs at this. 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.600 Class, we gotta do recently buyas today too, because I 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.400 want you to talk about yours and then ones that 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:06.000 will annoy you. 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.960 Okay, So let's start with the tears though, And the 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.600 way I tried to break this up was basically the 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.120 guys that I would consider drafting, sticking and picking at 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.759 four overall and just taking this guy if he's there, 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.600 and then guys I would then consider if they were 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.520 to make incremental trade downs. I'm not anticipating them the 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.320 trade down from four to twenty, right, we're. 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:28.000 Talking about last week. You were all into that, but. 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.600 I'm talking about four to eight, four to nine, four 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.920 to twelve, you know, something like that, a more realistic 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.040 trade down. So I had two top tiers. Tier one 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.040 was I don't know if they still do this in 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.200 the NFL draft. They don't think so, but I'm gonna 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.800 go with the old cliche. These are the two players 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.080 that I am running the card up to the podium, right, 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.200 I am no questions asked, We're running the cart up 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.080 to the podium. If these two guys, even if they 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.680 don't do it anymore physically, you still do it. You 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.880 still write down the name and spread to the stage 0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.799 to make a point about how happy you are to happen. 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.799 So my number one player in the draft is Abdual Carter. 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.080 And and just for the record, I want you to 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.600 vouch I've been here for a little while. You you 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:08.160 were I have. 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.799 You've been like a month ahead of everybody else, Like 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.960 when Carter was a mid first round sick. You were like, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.719 you might be top ten, and then when he was 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.600 top ten, you were like, you might be top five. 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:17.839 It might be top one. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:19.880 Well, and then when everybody put him top five, you 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.200 were like, you might be the best player in the draft. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.320 You have been like a step because you started watching 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.200 college football. Crazy what happened? 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.080 I enjoyed it. It pulled me in it. 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:29.320 Did you know there's a whole. 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.520 Like four months because that's like that's like semi pro football, 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:34.839 Like that was like the top of the time. 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:35.960 You don't you don't, I don't. 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.839 I don't need to watch like Apple Atch and State. 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.840 I want to watch, Okay, but there's like two to 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.080 three big games every week that are like playoff caliber games. 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.920 So here's my argument for Carter over Travis Hunter, which 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.560 wasn't easy. Like Travis Hunter, I think is an exceptional prospect, 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.239 so it wasn't easy. But my biggest argument, which is 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.600 sort of on your side of the street, for Carter 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:04.040 over Hunter, is it's just so easy to project the role, 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.680 Like it's so easy to see the skill translate perfectly 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.560 into a you know, a weak side pass rusher in 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.919 the NFL, just a demon off the edge like that's 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.200 such an easy vision for this is how we're going 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.000 to use the player, Whereas with Hunter, as we know, 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.880 it's more complicated. It's a more complicated projection of exactly 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.719 how you're exactly going to move the player or use 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.520 the player at the next level. Abdul Carter is just electric. 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.640 He's in his electric through and through first step, explosiveness, bend, 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.200 turn the corner, ability, cross the face, inside the gap, 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:41.960 you know, whether it's a spin or it's just an 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:45.479 inside counter crossover. He can line up in line, rush 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.839 over the guards and centers, just like the guy I'm 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.000 about to compare him to. He can play a little 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:51.640 bit off the ball if you really want to do 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:56.239 that in certain matchups by quarterbacks, sideline to sideline, range, relentless, 0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:01.000 modor hustle. Just an excellent player. I hate comparing, you know, 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.800 I hate comparing players to like future Hall of famers 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.960 or current Hall of famers, So I always try to 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:11.600 put that caveat in there, But it is really the 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.480 skill set and the type of player that he is 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:14.400 is Micah Parsons. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.640 So how much of the twenty twenty three stuff did 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:17.399 you watch from him? 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.560 I did watch a little because I wanted to see 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:21.879 more of his off ball line back. 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.520 That's what I'm saying. Like the Micah Parsons comp to me, 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.000 comes with being more than a pass rusher. Yeah, he's 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.440 a guy that is going to be not just capable 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.560 in coverage, but a plus in coverage. Yeah, is gonna 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.200 be a guy that can line up in different spots. 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.840 I think he is a Micah Parsons level pass rusher. 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:41.440 I don't think the other stuff. He's not bad at it. 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.919 He can do it at the NFL. I don't think 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:48.600 he translates like Parsons does in that regard. I'm with you. 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.520 I have him top of my board for the Patriots. 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.120 That if the Patriots the first overall pick penning a trade, 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.200 that is who I would take, ye Abdul Carter. I 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.720 don't think, like out of who's the best speed rusher 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.759 in the NFL that's not Parsons. Yeah, I mean that 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.759 was the other Like, I just I don't know how 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.640 well that other stuff it'll transfer, but not to that 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:07.120 lovel that. 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.000 That was the other thing that you know reasonable. So 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.239 I called him Micah Parsons light because I hate I 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.959 don't want to put that on him. That he's gonna 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.560 be Micah Parsons, so I called him Micaeh Parsons Light, 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.920 And I think that what really obviously the ability to 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.040 go you know, the two way go constantly right. He 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.920 can beat you inside or he can beat you outside 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.640 around the corner. But really what stood out to me 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.920 that made him so much like Parsons is how he 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.239 can line up over the interior and rush as like 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.200 an inline rusher. That's something that I believe, you know, 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.280 separates Parsons from a lot of guys, is that Parsons 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.000 can basically rush on all five offensive linemen and with 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.279 right which is a very very rare trait. He is 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.240 not just, you know, just an example. We're just talking 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.839 about him. Like Judon was very open about the fact 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.200 that he didn't really feel comfortable doing that, Like you know, 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.320 he wasn't really He tried to add that to his bag. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.640 I think Dante high Tower tried to help him at 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.520 it to his bag. And he wasn't officially on the 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.120 staff at the time, but he studied high Tower and 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.240 he tried to add that to his back. Abdull Carter 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.000 is already doing those types of things. I think his 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.160 experience playing off the ball helps him see it through 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.839 that interior lens right, so that he can play on 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.279 the inside or he can play on the outside. And 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.279 just the last thing on him, he's just scratching the 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.360 surface because he only played one full season as a 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.680 full time edge rusher, so his instincts in his feel 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:28.080 for the position is only just sort of getting going right. 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.800 So once he really finds that groove of a pass 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:36.080 rush plan and counters and block anticipation and recognition and 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.920 instincts like, he's going to be through the roof. So 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:42.200 the fact that he's already this good at it, this 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.560 early in his development at that position tells you how 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.120 high that ceiling is and how good he could potentially be. 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.880 You know, I'm always big on the position change players, 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.000 and that's why because if you change positions and you 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.560 do it at a high level quickly, it shows that 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.600 you have an ability to prove your game. You take 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.920 coaching well, you learn all of that. So that is 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.200 I would say Parsons' biggest enough part. Look at that, 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.719 I would say Carter's biggest question is also arguably his 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.120 biggest strength. With any play of the recently changed positions, 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.680 you're gonna just have questions about the technical side and 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.480 the development, but which are there for him. But the 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.800 fact that he developed as quickly as he did in 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.200 one year is also a plus in that it shows 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:23.120 that he's a quick learner. 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:26.919 So Abdul Carter number one, number two in this tier, 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:28.880 we're still in the run the card up to the 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:34.360 podium tier Travis Hunter. So what I think is so 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:39.279 fun about Travis Hunter is that there's nobody that you 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.520 talk to that has any question about his talent and 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.239 or his ability as a prospect. But everybody kind of 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.480 has a different take on how they'd use him. So 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.120 I'm with you on this. There has to be organizational 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.799 symmetry of this is how we're going to use him 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.799 before you turn the card in, Like, he has to 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:59.759 be on board with it. You have to be on 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:04.200 word with it from the top down in the organization, GM, coach, whatever. 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.640 You can't get into it and just say we're just 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.960 gonna grab the talent and figure it out later. I 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.160 think there has to be a plan in mind. That 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.799 being said, I will continue to stress and continue to 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.520 pound the table. I think he's a better wide receiver. 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.480 I think he's a more valuable wide receiver, maybe not 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.000 a better wise he is a more valuable wide receiver. 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.960 That it's the it's the would you rather have an 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:28.920 A plus corner or an A minus receiver? 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.920 And I'm taking the receiver. And I just think, you know, 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.800 Dante Scarneki did the interview. I think it was with 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.200 Chris Price with the Globe, right, and that quote is 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.279 kind of making the rounds of either draft guys that 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.120 sack the quarterback or score touchdowns. Well, if you put 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.719 him at corner, like unless he's picked six ing, he 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.800 ain't scoring very many touchdowns. 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.719 Right, so you want you want to put him on 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:49.200 the edge. 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.439 I exactly, I want to rush in the passer. He'd 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:56.359 probably bad at it when you watch when you watch 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.719 his game at wide receiver, and I kind of am 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.080 proud of myself for this comm I see a lot 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.839 of DeVante Smith in his game, Okay, because he's he's 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.440 got length, but he's he's slender, right, he doesn't have 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.520 the build, but he's he's got length and he's got size, 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:14.680 and he's really a great contested catch player for his size. 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.799 Especially he's a sixty five percent contested catch rate guy. 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.080 Last year at Colorado, Ted McMillan at six foot five, 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.759 two hundred and ten pounds was a sixty percent catch 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.320 rate guy. So but he beat Hunter a couple of times. 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:31.319 So yeah, like with like one handed grabs. But so yeah, 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.920 Like my point being, he's a much better contested catch 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.880 player than you would think. Uh. And I would also 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.919 say that his ability and his explosiveness with the ball 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.359 in his hands is electric like that that's a he's 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:48.680 a game breaking player. And if I'm an NFL team, 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.280 that's just that's still the golden goose to me, especially 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.840 for the Patriots, but just in general, Like you want 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.680 guys that are going to change the game, and I 0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:00.600 think that he has that ability to really create big 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.280 plays all over the field from the wide receiver position. 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.600 And if you put him at corner the comparison that 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.040 I drew at corner with Sauce Gardner, I think you'd 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.239 be a really good corner. I think he's more of 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.000 his own corner than he is a man to man 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.480 corner because his instincts in his clicking clothes and read 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.440 and react on the ball is just next level, Like 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.720 his ability to see the ball get into passing lanes, 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:25.239 jump routes like intercept the football. He's a ballhawk like that, 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.239 that's his best trade as a cornerback. I think he 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.680 can play Manton Man. I'm not saying he's incapable of 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.960 playing Manton Man, but I do like that idea if 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.280 you're gonna be in this more Tennessee type of scheme, 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.640 like if you played Christian Gonzales on the boundary full time, 0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.800 whereby in a lot of formations and looks, you're probably 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.880 gonna be man to man on the weak side, and 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.040 then Travis Hunter can kind of just roam on the 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.480 other side of the field. That's also very enticely like, 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.239 that's a very enticing duo. But I definitely feel like 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.719 if I was an NFL team, the value that he 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.000 brings to the team at wide receiver is just significantly 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.040 more at corner. And then you just hope that you 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.680 can develop some of the real details of the position 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:10.360 at wide receiver. Sure, all right, so here's my next tier. Yeah, 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.879 this is I would take him at four, but I'm 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.040 not doing cartwheels like I would do with the top two, right, Yeah, 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.319 but I'd still take him at four without a trade down. 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.919 So this is where I think I am different from 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.080 some people, maybe not you, but other people. I have 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.279 Will Campbell as the next player on this list at 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:34.280 number three. Pro comparison Ryan Ramchick, who also had issues 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.879 with length coming out thirty three inch arms. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:37.560 But he stayed at tackle. 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:39.759 He stayed at tackle and was very very good for 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.799 the Saints for a long time. You know. Now he's 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.480 kind of getting up there in age and injuries and such, 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.160 but a good player for the Rams for a very 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.719 long time at left tackle or Saints. Excuse me, don't 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.880 know why I said Rams. The biggest thing that I 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:56.200 see with Campbell is that I think his footwork and 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.319 his base and his balance and his PAS sets is 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:01.840 good enough that he's going to be able to overcome 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:03.920 the arm leg. Now, if it checks in at the 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.560 combine and he's got thirty two inch arms and they're 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:09.120 really below threshold, then we're gonna have to change the 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.759 conversation a little bit. But as long as we're in 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.360 the range of thirty three inches, when I watch him play, 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.480 I see a stout, you know, crisp moving tackle and 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:23.640 pass protection that has excellent feet, excellent ability to mirror 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.840 guys on island. I just don't necessarily see the length 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.959 being the major issue. Now. He does drift at times 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.480 in his pas sets, and he'll overcompensate and kind of 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.880 commit to the outside and open up that inside counter 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.239 that's spin to the you know, the inside pathway to 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.439 the quarterback. That's something that they're gonna have to work 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.719 with him on technically, but it's. 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:45.880 Also something where if you have a three hundred and 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.520 sixty pound left guard and Mkay Beckton's standing there, he 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.439 can take up a lot of room. Yeah, it's gonna 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:50.879 help you out. 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:54.360 I don't I don't look at anything on Will Campbell's 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:57.040 tape and say, you know, that's a deal breaker at tackle, 0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.959 and given where the Patriots are on the offensive line, 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.759 giving where again, or you know, looking at the entire landscape, 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.680 giving what the options are for them to fill that 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.799 need at left tackle, I think that Will Campbell is 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:15.279 the best option on whether it's free agency or the draft. Like, 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.799 I'm taking Will Campbell over Cam Robinson. I'm taking Will 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.760 Campbell over Alaric Jackson. I'm taking Will Campbell over Calvin Banks. 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:24.640 I'm taking all across. 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.560 If if he gets searched, I don't think he's going 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:27.360 to Ronnie Stanley. 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.520 I probably take Ronnie Stanley in that scenario and then 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.279 draft somebody on Day two with upside. But at the 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.239 same time, I could be talking into either way with 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:37.799 Ronnie Stanley's agent Price. 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.439 I just I just wanted to ask you that question. 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.759 But I think that looking at the realistic options for 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:47.600 left tackle, the cleanest way is sometimes just straight the 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.440 straight line right, and the easiest projection of you know, 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.280 the best player to fill that need is Will Campbell, 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.799 and I can't I can't get too far away from that, 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:00.080 Like you have to respect. 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.520 How many years are gonna kick it down the road. 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.480 Like if you don't like Will Campbell, fine, what are 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.640 you doing at tackle? Ronnie Stanley's not gonna be We 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.080 don't think it's gonna be available. If you want to say, 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.279 you take a Layeric Jackson over him, maybe there's no 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.040 other better tackle. They can't kick this thing down the 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.719 road another year, especially not now that they actually have 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:20.680 a freaking quarterback. So yeah, I'm with you. So you 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.319 wouldn't take Campbell at four last week? 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.520 Though? What changed? Did I say that? Yeah? 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.000 We had that whole argument about the trading down thing, 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:28.520 and I don't know, you know, I'm not comfortable with 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.399 him at four, but I'm comfortable with him at six 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:30.799 or whatever. 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.880 And sometimes, like I say these things and then you 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.480 think about it some more and then you put it 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.480 pen to paper and your mind changes. I like I, 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:40.959 Like I said, I, the main thing that I can't 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:44.760 get around is if it's not Will Campbell left tackle, 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.040 then what is it right? And And that that, to 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.919 me is the scarier it's scarier right to just go 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.960 with and I know they can't, they're gonna get a 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:55.880 better player than choose the cor four, but to go 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.440 at the mystery box of like whatever you're gonna find 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.319 in free agency or whatever you're gonna find on Day 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:04.879 two of the draft. And it was one thing when 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:06.919 you and I think Doug Moron's a good coach, maybe 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:09.200 Doug Moroon can coach up a Day two pick at 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.319 left tackle. But it was one thing when you had 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.000 Dante Scarnekia turning every Sebastian Volmer and Marcus Cannon into 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.240 starting caliber tackles, Like you don't have that luxury anymore. 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.680 And it's also like the whole argument about oh, well, 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:24.080 you're overdrafting him, like people need to get over that. 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.479 They just you're not large league. 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.840 Right, So you look at Daniel Jeremiah, look at Dan Brugler, 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:31.600 like they all have him in the top ten. It's 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:33.600 not like you're drafting a guy that's projected, Oh. 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.239 Well, he should have gone six, and you're taking for 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.840 he's the number one player in the draft, assuming the 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.359 arms checkout. Yeah, number one player in the draft at 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.920 a premium position, out a position you need. It's not 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.919 an overdraft. Well, if you take a tackle top five, 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.600 he should be your franchise guy. If he's the top 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.239 ten left tackle in the league. Yeah, makes you know, 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.399 maybe one or two All Pro teams, couple of Pro Bowls. 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:55.719 But like for a decade, you have that position where 0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:57.640 you can trust that guy, set it and forget it. 0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:01.440 He's not Joe Thomas, he's not Pina Seol, but just 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.560 a set it and forget it left tackle for ten years. 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.680 That's not an overdraft to me, not in this class, 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.879 not for where the team thinks they are. If Joe 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.160 Walt was in this draft and they took him over Jolt, 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.920 yeah that would be an overdraft. But Joe Walt's not 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.520 in this class. Pine Soool's not in this class. If 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.360 you get it ten years, set it and forget it 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.440 left tackle, which we both think he can be. 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:21.200 Yeah, if you. 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.040 Get a ten year set it and forget it left tackle. 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:27.520 Fourth overall, Yeah, it's it's maybe not n A plus, it's 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.560 a solid B plus. And you know what sometimes you got. 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.880 I would have absolutely been happy with the B plus. 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:33.920 Sometimes you gotta hit that. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.720 I struggled with seven or eight. 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:37.960 Right, like you gotta hit it down the fairway sometimes. 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.399 Another good I would you know you hit how many 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.239 shots in her own of the woods? You put one 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.680 hundred and fifty yards dead? Miiddle, you're kind of gonna 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:45.400 feel good about that. 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.680 I don't know that. I don't know that from experience, 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.200 but I'll take your word for it. 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.400 Uh see, if you started golfing, you could actually make 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:53.280 more of these analogies. 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.239 Oh MANU. But that That's where I'm at with Will 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.080 Campbell right now. Again, I don't think his arm length 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.160 is his biggest issue. I think his biggest issue is 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.640 hitting his landmarks and drifting in his PAS sets. And 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.719 I think that that's coachable. I think that's correctable for 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.279 him to stick and tackle. And and That's where I'm 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.760 at with Bill Campbell. You know, other guys like Ramcheck 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.200 is the one that I picked just because I thought 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:18.680 their skill sets were similar. But like Matt Light, Taylor Decker, 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.840 you know, there's plenty of guys that played at Obviously, 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.560 Rashaun Slater is like the poster child for this right now. 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:26.359 That's why I didn't want to use him, because it's 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.480 kind of like low hanging fruit. But all those things, 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.600 all those guys thirty three thirty three and a half 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.600 inch arms, had length issues, had concerns about it coming 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:40.640 out of in as prospects, and we're all perfectly fine 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.840 in the league. Even Joe Thomas wasn't like the longest 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.360 guy in the world, and he is obviously one of 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:48.760 the best left tackles of all time. So there's plenty 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.120 of evidence that this has worked out for other guys. 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:53.960 I still go back. If you could take Rashawn Slater 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:55.799 fourth overall in this draft, would you do it? 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:56.160 Yeah? 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.640 And I mean I don't remember. I didn't study the 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.280 line as closely that year, Like how would you compare 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:03.279 Campbell to Slater? And I know I just did that 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:06.200 whole rant about right, don't compare players between drafts, but 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.680 as comparable players, how would you compare Campbell as a 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:09.480 prospect to Slater. 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.759 Campbell's nastier. Campbell has a little bit more of a 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:16.280 mean finish to his game. Slater is more athletic. Okay, 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.440 So I think theered different players, which is why I 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.040 didn't want to necessarily use them as the cop But 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:25.040 I Rashaan Slater, I think fell a little bit in 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.480 the draft because the threshold was really thirty four inches, right. 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.320 No, I remember doing this with Slavery that year. Everybody 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:32.880 was yelling at us to use a guard. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.439 Yeah, so you know, he changed the game a little 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.000 bit in that respect. Last thing on Campbell, when I 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.920 was talking to Ryan Cowden at the Senior Bowl, the 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:47.279 Patriots assistant GM. Essentially, the thing that I asked him was, 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.960 you know, described to me a Rabel player. And he 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.160 obviously wasn't going to get into the weeds of you know, 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.640 all the details and all the nuances, but the quote 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.560 that he gave me was that Mike Rabel, the number 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.160 one thing that he looks for him player is effort 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.280 and Finishill Campbell that that is something that he wants 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.759 to instill in the program in Foxborough is effort and 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:12.920 finish and uh will Campbell is all of that, right Like. 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:18.880 He is a high effort, finishing, maueling offensive tackle who 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:23.279 also has extremely high end football character, right like, really 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:28.520 a projected decade long captain in the league. And as 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.640 much as you want traits and as much as you 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:32.600 want upside, and as much as you want all the 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.399 fancy stuff in this draft as well, I do think 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.399 they're trying to build a culture here, and they're trying 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:40.080 to build a program here, and we talk about that 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.359 a lot on this show. And Will Campbell is a 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.239 program builder, like that is a culture building pick. 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.239 If there are two players in this there are two 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.880 players atop this draft, I think that are Drake May. 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:51.440 I don't want to say you start a culture with 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.520 because Drake May is a culture guy. To yeah, Drake 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:58.040 May is a program guy. It's Will Campbell, and it's 0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:58.719 Travis Hunter. 0:54:59.000 --> 0:54:59.280 Yeah. 0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.320 You go look at what Travis Hunter did at Colorado 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.400 with some of his teammates and things like that, and 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:08.120 the way Dion used him to sell that program. I 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.080 think that translates to the NFL. And you look at 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.480 the way Will Campbell's teammates talk about him and the 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:17.279 responsibilities he took on starting as a true freshman at 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:20.200 LSU and the SEC. Those are guys that know what 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:21.719 it's about to not just be a part of a 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.680 football team, but be the face of a football team. 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.120 I'm not saying Abdol Carter can't do that. I'm not 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.359 saying Mason Graham can't do that. I'm not saying Ted 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:33.239 McMillan can't do that. But they haven't. And you know, 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:40.280 like there's really good examples of Travis Hunter and Will 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:46.880 Campbell being guy you know, captains, leaders, outwards facing, front facing, 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:48.960 dealing with the media, things like that. There are not 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.600 a lot of tackles in college Hunters different. He's been 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.080 a superstar since he was like seventeen years old. Number 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:58.440 one recruiting country, right, But the tackles don't talk to 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:01.880 the media in college football. Campbell did. Will Campbell's a 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.880 guy that you can build this thing around. Travis Hunter's 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:05.480 a guy that you can build this thing around. That's 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:06.800 not the be all end all. That doesn't mean you 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:10.040 can't draft the other guys, but that certainly should hold 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:10.359 some weight. 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.120 So the last guy I have in this tier, which 0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.799 again is I take him at four without a trade down, 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:17.200 and this is. 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.840 You want to Will breaking news here first, little Patriots, 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.920 just breaking news. We got Matt Patricia Yes has been 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:29.640 hired as the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Oh wow, so. 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.759 Were's there's some Ohio State connections there. Certainly we have 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:37.080 Bill and Ryan Day and Chip Kelly and Vrabel. Yeah. 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.000 I can I give you now my number one wish 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:41.320 list item for the twenty twenty five college football season. 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.719 Sure Ohio State UNC playoff game. 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:45.279 Oh my god? 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.080 Need oh come on, you don't want to see that. 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:50.960 I need it? No, need it, need it? Or you 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:52.839 know what whatever bowl game it's supposed to be thrown 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:54.640 away played at the Fenway Bowl. That is a new 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:55.319 England game. 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.320 Let's get back to the program now. Okay, you're good, 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:00.680 you're good. You got your map. 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.840 I just want to site. That was Pete Damilsinger finalizing 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:04.160 a deal. 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:07.319 Okay, so my last guy in this tier and then 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:08.640 I'll get to the next tiers and we'll go a 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:11.520 little bit faster. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I will go 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:15.200 a little bit faster because we're taking a lot of 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:20.680 time on this. This is no trade down. There's no 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:23.080 other option. You have to make a pick, and for 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.480 some reason, the first three guys I said, are no 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.720 longer on the board. I don't know if that scenario 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.360 whatever happened. I mean to make a trade now, but 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:33.640 you can't trade down I would. I think Mason Graham's 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:37.080 talent wise is worth the fourth overall pick. I just 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.320 I am still in the school thought of positional value 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.480 with Mason Graham. It's why I don't have him above 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:48.600 Will Campbell. He is a very very good pocket disruptor. 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:52.440 He is a pressured guy, a high motor guy, a 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:56.400 hard charging defensive lineman. He's very violent with his hands. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:58.440 He's got a couple of really good moves, you know, 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:03.080 swim move, arm over, two hands, wipe, gets into the creases, 0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.480 gets into the gaps, quickly, explodes off the ball like 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:11.400 he is a high energy impact pass rusher. He's not 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.920 a finisher though he's a disruptor. He's not a finisher. 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.880 He's a disruptor. And I do have maybe more concerns 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.439 than other people do that I've seen with his run 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:26.160 defense and his film against the run gets a little 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:30.120 high with his pads. He doesn't get great arm extension, 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.800 doesn't have great length to get great arm extension, and 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:38.440 doesn't absorb double teams. Consistently all the time. So my 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:42.200 fear with him, with Mason Graham is, you know, he 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.040 gets into the league and because of his body type 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:47.760 and because of some of the deficiencies that he has, 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.280 that he's going to be a little bit easy to 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.200 move in the run game, which would be my one 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:55.320 concern with him being this three down force, right, this 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:58.840 three down player. Now projecting him as a three down player, 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.240 I think that the comp I see a lot of 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.440 is Christian Wilkins, right, like that sort of guy that 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.000 is a little bit stouter, you know, a little bit 0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.480 shorter in terms of his arm length and his size, 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:12.160 but it's just really quick into gaps and really good 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.320 at defeating blocks with his hands and things like that. 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.360 So I like Mason Graham. I don't love Mason Graham 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:21.240 as much as everybody else. I do like him, and 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.800 I would take him if I had to write, if 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:26.439 there was no other option there, I would take him. 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:31.360 But I definitely worry about positional value, three down value 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:35.160 run defense, and more importantly we talked about it earlier. 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:40.200 Is it a huge drop off from Mason Graham to 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.000 what you could get at the top of the second 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.360 round at the same position. You know, is it a 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.840 huge drop off in this draft and do you need 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:50.920 that player, Like, do you need that player to be 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.600 a centerpiece player on the interior defensive line or do 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.080 you have that guy already in like a Christian Barmore 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:00.800 for example. And you're really just looking for the Milton 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:04.080 Williams like, you're just looking for the complimentary piece next 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:06.560 to Barmore. If you told me that Barmore is never 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:09.000 going to play football again because of the blood clot situation, 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:11.640 and Okay, maybe I change my tune a little bit 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.160 on Mason Graham, but I still don't. I still think 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.480 it's a luxury pick for a team that's not in 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:17.320 luxury mode. 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:19.760 I'm with you on that, and the Barmore thing certainly 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.840 impacts it. But to me, I don't think he'd be 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:23.480 a bad pick. I don't think he would be a 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.160 bad pick. Yeah, but I don't think he's the best 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:26.960 pick they could make. 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:28.200 Yeah, that's a good way put it. 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:31.320 So you know, he's a good player, he'll be a fit. 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.800 You talk about needing somebody to kind of set things 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:35.760 up for a guy like Josh Sweat, Maybe he becomes 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:40.600 that guy. But he's not a bad pick, But I 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.120 don't think. I think getting a state and forget it 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.400 left tackle. I think getting a playmaker off the edge, 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:49.400 like a true playmaker off the edge. I think those 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.480 are going to impact the football team more than a 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:53.720 guy like Mason Graham will. 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:55.400 Yeah, it's a great way. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:57.440 Or trading back like I. So this is where I 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:59.640 differ from you. Again, I don't think Graham would be 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:02.560 a bad pick. Pick it for I'm seriously taking calls 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:03.000 at that point. 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:06.840 This is like the calls are crap. 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:08.520 And also, are you the same for Campbell because you 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:10.720 had them in the same tier? Are they really two 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:11.360 different tiers? 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:14.440 No, I'd say I'm probably in the same boat. Like 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:17.000 I'd still take calls if it's Campbell, you know, but 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:20.800 I think that i'd be a little bit more. I'd 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.760 be a little bit more gung ho about taking Campbell, 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:24.160 Like I'd probably pound the table a little bit. 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.320 That's what I'm saying. It's different for me. Like Campbell, 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:27.720 I would take it for and feel good about it. 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:29.880 I'd still take calls obviously, but I you know, I 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:31.439 kind of have to be wooed a little bit ors 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:33.760 with Mason Graham if it's like all right, I'm gonna 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.680 have Mason Graham or I can have you know, I 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:38.440 don't want to spoiler alert, but if it's Mason Graham 1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:44.280 or Tyler Warren and an extra second round pick, yeah, 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:46.360 you know, an extra top fifty pick, I think I'd 1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:48.280 rather have Warren in the extra top fifty pick than 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:52.280 just Mason Graham. Will Campbell. I might need a little 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:53.640 bit more. I might need like a future first and 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:55.280 which I think you could get and I wouldn't lose 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:56.880 sleep over doing that, but I need a little more 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:58.200 to trade out of Will Campbell. 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:02.080 Last thing on Mason Graham. If you put Mason Graham 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.160 on the defensive line, and you put him next to 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:07.160 key On White, and you put him next to bar More, 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:09.640 and then you sign a guy like Josh Swede who 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:11.960 could come in and actually get the quarterback on the. 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:13.640 Ground, A defensive lines now fixed. 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.320 You have a great defensive line. But I don't think 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:19.200 Mason Graham is the finishing piece, right like, I don't 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:21.640 think he's the centerpiece of what you're doing. I think 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:23.760 he's a really good disruptor. I think he's a really 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.640 good pocket pusher. But you are going to have to 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:28.760 have somebody on the edge that's going to come in 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:31.479 and get double digit sacks and put the quarterback down. 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:34.440 I don't think that's gonna be Mason Graham. So to me, 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:36.640 you know, to go back to the scar thing like 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:39.440 the guys that sack the quarterback and guys that score touchdowns. 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.560 I would not put Mason Graham in the sack the 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:47.040 quarterback category. Disrupt the quarterback, affect the quarterback, certainly, sack 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:50.280 the quarterback, I don't know. So that's where I'm at 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:53.920 with Mason Graham. This next tier, my third tier, is 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:55.840 a bigger tier. This is like kind of a chunk 1:02:55.840 --> 1:03:00.000 of this. Oh yeah, it's a good plug, good plug. 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:05.200 This tier is trade down tier, and I'm talking about 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:08.920 realistic trade downs, not four to twenty like we're like. 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:11.120 Forded, like you were so excited about last week. 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:14.080 Like you know, for to like twelve is probably the 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.600 lowest I know, right, you know in that category for 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.680 these types of players. So here's where I had them 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:23.680 ranked within the tier at number five on my board. 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:27.640 Tyler Warren from Penn State. I love Tyler Warren. If 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:30.120 the Patriots are in a different spot and they had 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:32.360 the trenches and everything kind of short up a little 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:34.240 bit more and you were able to take more of 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:37.240 a luxury item. Tyler Warren is a lot of fun 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.320 baby gronk, Like he's the closest thing I've seen to 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:43.400 Gronk since we started doing this. He's not gronk, but 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:47.120 six six two sixty and moves well at that size. 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:50.160 Is gronkish right like that. There's not that many guys 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:52.560 that fill out the suit like that, that move like 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:53.680 Tyler Warren does. 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:55.560 I'm gonna be interested to see what he measures in at. 1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:56.320 He doesn't look to. 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.200 Sixty, that's what he's listed as. 1:03:58.640 --> 1:03:59.720 Yeah, I'm gonna be interested. 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:04.360 So he obviously has the ability to win above the 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.600 rim in the red zone. Us His body uses frame, 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:11.480 uses catch radius, versatility through the roof, like you can 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:14.160 line this guy up anywhere, even in the backfield. Played 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:17.080 wildcat quarterback for Penn State, and when you really watch 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:19.680 that Penn State offense, like he kind of carried that offense, 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.280 you know he was he was the guy in that offense. 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.440 And I look at Drake May, I look at Josh McDaniels. 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:27.160 You know, Drake May I think has already shown a 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:29.600 pension for liking tight ends and throwing the ball to 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:32.080 tight ends. I think he'd be comfortable with his tight 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:35.160 end being the number one targeted player and the offense hunter. 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:37.640 Henry probably was at number one targeted player last year 1:04:38.280 --> 1:04:42.600 and h and Josh mcdaniels's experience with maximizing a tight 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:46.760 end with Warren skillset. So is he a watered down gronk. Yeah, absolutely, 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:48.720 everybody's watered down gronk in that body. 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:50.520 He's not gonna be the biggest tight the best tight 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:51.680 end of all times, correct. 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:54.760 But he's gonna be a very good player. The one 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:56.720 knock on him that I would give other than like 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:59.280 some technical stuff in blocking gets a little high, gets 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:02.680 pushed around a little, but sometimes in line blocking he's older. 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:04.840 He's an older prospect and he's gonna be twenty four 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:08.000 or twenty five as a rookie. I've sort of gone 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:09.760 back and forth of how much I care about that. 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:13.160 But when you really think about tight ends, like you 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:16.480 do have to consider how how much you know? How 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:18.400 long are you really gonna have the player for now? 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.040 I always feel like that's putting the car before the horse, 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.280 to worry about, oh, are you gonna get your eight 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:25.720 R nine year ten if you're at the point where 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:27.640 you want them at your eight r nine year ten, 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:30.320 you're in pretty good shape. So I'm not too concerned 1:05:30.320 --> 1:05:32.080 about the age. But that is a factor that you 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:35.000 have to put out there. But Tyler Warren was a 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:36.840 lot of fun. He was a really fun study. 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:38.560 I think the bigger factor for me with Tyler Warren, 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:40.120 and I really like Tyler Warren too. I think he's 1:05:40.120 --> 1:05:44.000 the best tight end in this class is what is like, 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:47.000 what's the plan? And I'm not saying there isn't one, 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:50.160 but I don't think you can essentially bench Hunter Henry. 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:52.880 And that's not saying don't take this great player because 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:54.680 you have a thirty year old tight end, But if 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:57.840 you're trying to like make things work for Drake May, 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:01.120 if you draft Tyler Warren, you our best offense is 1:06:01.160 --> 1:06:03.440 a lot of twelve. And we know Josh McDaniels can 1:06:03.480 --> 1:06:06.880 do that. But you kind of it almost like Travis Hunter, 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:10.480 where it's all right, we're gonna draft Traf, we're gonna 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:12.720 draft Tyler Warren and see what happens. Right, You got 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:15.640 to kind of know and if you have an inkling 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:17.840 that he could be the guy you're playing in free 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:20.760 agency sort of needs to reflect a team that's gonna 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.640 play a lot of twelve Yeah, so that's the one 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:25.840 thing for me with Warren. And I know people get 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:28.000 annoyed when you talk about fits with the first round pick, 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:30.920 like just draft the best player available. You can't draft 1:06:30.960 --> 1:06:32.320 a guy that you're not gonna be able to use. 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.280 So I just think that what makes me feel better 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:36.520 about that because I hear what you're saying. 1:06:36.560 --> 1:06:39.600 I'm not anti that. Like Josh McDaniels has had a 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:42.360 ton of success running offenses that are very heavy in 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:45.960 twelve personnel. They chased that for years, yeah, and they 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:47.800 can never quite get it. They went through like. 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:51.280 That the turns out and nobody is what was his name, Chandler, 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:52.320 Scott Chandler. 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.360 They went through the Scott Chandler's of the world. Marty 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:56.160 Bennett worked for a little bit of time. I wish 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.520 he'd been here longer. One of my favorite Patriots. But 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.400 like we know Josh daniels can do it. But that's 1:07:01.440 --> 1:07:06.400 something that like you kind of have to there's more 1:07:06.440 --> 1:07:08.080 to it than that, and you have to be ready 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:10.280 to go in head first and say we're going to 1:07:10.320 --> 1:07:11.560 be a twelve personnel offense. 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:13.600 So the thing that makes me feel a little bit 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.120 better about it is that I do think Tyler Warren 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:18.720 is so versatile that he kind of blurs the lines 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:21.080 between eleven and twelve. Now I'm not saying that he's 1:07:21.120 --> 1:07:23.640 going to play outside receiver at a high volume, but like, 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:25.520 you can play him in the slot, you can play 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.120 him off the line of screamage, you can play him 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:29.520 out of the backfield. Like, there's different ways that you 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.360 can move him around in the formation and get different 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:35.000 looks out of him. So he's a really versatile, you know, 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.680 chess piece type of player. So it's not like you 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.040 have two y tight ends and you're running double y 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:43.760 offense all the time. You do have that ability to 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:44.520 move him around. 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:46.720 So you've talked a lot in the past and in 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:49.800 a different context, but you've talked about, well, they need 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:51.440 to bring more of what the Bills are doing to 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.080 help Drake mey. Yeah, could he be your Dalton Kincaid 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:55.760 And then after Henry's Dawson. 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:57.400 On Yeah, well we might get to Dalton Kincaid here 1:07:57.440 --> 1:07:59.840 in a second, but yeah, yeah that I could. 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:03.040 There's a better com for Dalton. Yeah, Okay, I mean 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:03.560 I think this. 1:08:03.520 --> 1:08:06.200 Guy's better than Dalton Kinkaid, but there's a better player 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:06.480 that is. 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:08.560 But like I'm with you, Like if they were to 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:12.360 draft Tyler Warren, that's what I would be pointing at, 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:14.640 Like what the Bills are doing right, Like, that's kind 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:15.920 of what I would want them to try to do. 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:17.800 Okay, So the next player here on my list, I 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:19.200 had to put him on because the guy's just a 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:22.960 straight up ballers is Jalen Walker from Georgia linebacker. I 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:24.519 don't think that the Patriots are gonna be in a 1:08:24.560 --> 1:08:26.759 position where Jalen Walker makes a whole lot of sense 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:29.439 for them. I know a lot of people really love 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:31.840 him as an edge rusher. I think that he's like 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:35.000 a Jamie Collins Dante high Tower Girodmeo type where he's 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:37.680 playing on and off the line of scrimmage. I think 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:39.080 he's gonna have to play a little bit of both, 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:41.400 like a hybrid type of role. I don't know if 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:44.559 the Patriots are necessarily in a spot where that's the 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.120 player that you're gonna take. But Jalen Walker is a 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.400 dude like that guy is definitely a really good football 1:08:49.400 --> 1:08:53.600 player and he fits sort of that pass Pats linebacker, 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:56.800 a role of you can play from really all three 1:08:56.840 --> 1:09:00.240 spots right off ball, linebacker, in line rusher, edge rush, sure, 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:03.040 and just use him in different ways and things like that. 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.320 But I actually think he's a little bit more athletic 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:08.040 than like a high tower in space. So the combat 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:09.880 I used, Actually the guy would just talking about is 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:12.640 Zach Bond, who can play on an off line of scrimmage, 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:15.599 cover a lot of ground. Jalen Walker is a big 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.120 time player. He's gonna be a great football player somewhere. 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:20.040 I just don't know if it necessarily makes sense for 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.120 the Patriots, but he has to be on the list 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:25.120 if you're gonna talk about this list. The next guy 1:09:25.160 --> 1:09:28.760 that I'm really serious about, though, who I just absolutely 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.800 was blown away by his Colston Lovelin with Michigan, who 1:09:33.040 --> 1:09:35.800 I feel like is now everybody is in love. Like 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:39.400 Dame Bruger had him at eleven and his top one hundred, 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:42.960 his latest top one hundred. Jeremiah I think had him 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.439 at like seven, like really high, like top ten player. 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:48.400 Here's the top tight end coming into the season. And 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:50.920 then Warren had the year he had, But Loveland was 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:52.880 the guy that was getting all the hype really until 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:53.640 like November. 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:56.519 Yeah, so a couple of different combs for him. I 1:09:56.520 --> 1:09:58.760 settled on brock Bauer's light because I think that that's 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:01.799 just the easiest one to for everybody to kind of understand. 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:04.320 There's a little Sam Laport, There's a little Sam laporta 1:10:04.439 --> 1:10:07.000 there right, there's a little Dalton kink there. You know. 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:09.439 He is a receiving tight end. He is not a 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:11.960 necessarily a big time blocker, although I think he can 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:14.040 hold his own in certain matchups if you're going to 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:17.519 have him block on the perimeter and and block defensive backs, 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:19.680 like he's not going to dig out defensive ends, Like 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.280 that's just not going to be his game at two 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:24.760 forty five. But he is explosive, Like he is an 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:29.559 absolute explosive, big time playmaker at the receiver position, can 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:32.080 play out of the slot, can run routes in line. 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:33.920 You know, he gets into the scene in a hurry, 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:35.680 He gets over the top of the second level in 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:38.080 a hurry, really good at the top of the route. 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:41.280 Explosive player all over the film. He was awesome, Like 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:43.280 he was really fun to watch. A lot of the 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.080 same traits I would say as like a Bowers or 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:48.120 a Laporta or some of these tight ends that are 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:48.559 coming up. 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:50.400 Yeah, I think he got lost in the wash during 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:52.400 the season because Michigan really only threw the ball like 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.360 ten times a game. Yeah, so he didn't have a 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:56.240 ton of any Like you said, he's not a plus blocker, 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.519 so he didn't have a ton of opportunities to show 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:00.280 what he can do. But now I think when go 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:02.840 back and they look like they're rediscovering them, there is 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:06.120 a projection because like you said, there's some really impressive 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:08.880 stuff on that tape. It's not a lot of tape. Yeah, Like, 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:11.040 how how long did it take you to watch him 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:15.560 versus watching Tyler Warren? Right? One guy was the centerpiece 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:16.240 of the offense. 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:16.599 Yep. 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:19.240 That like that, that entire Penn State offense. They had 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.200 Tyler Warren Adam lining up, a tight end, receiver, a 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:23.960 running back, quarterback, He lined up at center and caught 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:26.080 a touchdown on the same play, which was awesome. I 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:27.400 know you hated that, but it was sick. 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:30.080 I don't know. It supports my argument now, so I'm 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:30.240 with you. 1:11:30.680 --> 1:11:34.080 You hated it. Whereas Colston Loveland, they probably should have 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.160 used him more, but they couldn't because they just didn't 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.640 have the quarterback play to really have any semblance of 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.479 a pass game. They had to run the ball a ton. 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:42.600 That meant that, you know, they had to kind of 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:45.559 hide him as a blocker and things like that. There's 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:49.320 tremendous flashes, but you have to project some sort of 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.840 consistency because he was never given and I'm honest saying 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:54.360 he can't be consistent. He was never given an opportunity 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:56.360 to play in a volume role. And if you're drafting 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:58.360 a tight end as high as Coulston, Loveland is probably 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:00.920 gonna go, Yeah, it's gonna be in a volume rold 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:04.280 brock Bauers had what one hundred something targets last year. Yeah, 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:07.439 Colson Lovelin had nothing close to that in college. So 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:09.760 again it doesn't mean he can't do it, but you 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:12.479 have to be really confident in your evaluation because you 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:15.200 haven't seen him apples to apples in the role you're 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:16.360 probably drafting him into. 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:18.679 So the thing that you know in terms of role 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.240 that really intrigues me about him is that I would 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:23.439 say his best route is like the quick post or 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:25.920 the skinny post right where he just runs right behind 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:28.799 the linebackers or runs away from a defender and off coverage. 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:31.640 And when you really think about Josh McDaniels' offense, like 1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:34.639 those bang play action plays where you're pulling guards and 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:37.200 leading with the full back and you're getting those linebackers 1:12:37.200 --> 1:12:39.639 to fall step up the field, and then Colson Lovelin 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:42.200 is just gonna burst right by that second level and 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:45.280 he's gonna be gone in a blur. He could really 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:48.040 really eat on those types of schemes, you know, those 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:50.880 Charles Barkley, you know, pull the backside guard, make it 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.280 look like power, and then have the linebacker come down 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:55.000 and all of a sudden, you have a four or 1:12:55.000 --> 1:12:58.000 five tight end at two forty five coming across the field. Like, 1:12:58.040 --> 1:12:59.400 there's not a lot of guys that are gonna be 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:01.720 able to recover and win that foot race. So I 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:04.439 look at Closon Lovelin in a gap scheme and a 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:07.920 downhill rush offense with a quarterback that's operating in the 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:10.559 gun and running gun action and RPO and all these 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:13.000 different type of things. I look at him as just 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:14.400 a really great fit in that. 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:17.800 So let me ask you this with him and Warren right, 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:19.760 you talked about with Mason Graham, and I agree with you, 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:22.840 this is an unbelievable defensive tackle class, and part of 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.759 the pause with Mason Graham is like, you're not worried 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:27.640 about going to that next level because you're still going 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:29.960 to get a playmaker at that next level. Would you 1:13:29.960 --> 1:13:32.360 feel the same about Warren or Lovelan because this is 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:33.679 a really good tight end class too. 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:40.600 Yeah, I don't because the need for that centerpiece playmaker 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:44.200 for the Patriots is so high, it's so important, and 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:47.760 I feel like those two guys can do that and 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:49.800 the next guy, I do have the receiver on my 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:52.280 listen next, Okay, so don't worry. Okay, But then I 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:55.320 feel like these two guys, these two guys, to me, 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.759 are the two best playmakers in the class on offense 1:13:57.800 --> 1:14:00.799 other side, outside of Travis Hunter, who is this own unicorn. 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:02.599 There's one more agree with me. 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:08.439 I that isn't a devalued position. Uh That that to 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:11.479 me is they're the two best pass catchers in this 1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:15.160 draft and so that that that's important, especially if you 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:17.200 can find a way to hit the trenches in different ways. 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:19.320 I would agree with that these are the two best. 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:22.040 You know, we we kind of put this disclaimer out 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:24.040 a couple months ago that we have. Travis Hunter is 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.720 the number one Travis Hunter in draft when we rank 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.639 the positions. He's kind of his own thing. I would 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:31.240 agree with you the two best pass catchers in the 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:32.240 TEW draft. I'm with you on that. 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:35.439 Okay. So at number eight, finally, I know a lot 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:38.439 of people, I'm sure, where's Ted McMillan. All right, here's 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:45.160 Ted McMillan. And for the record, because I'm for the 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:47.800 cause and because I'm trying to be open minded, I 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:50.320 actually went back and watched Ted McMillan a second time 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:52.560 because the first time I was kind of underwhelmed. 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:54.240 As you know, well it depends which games you watch 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:54.519 with him. 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:57.040 The second time I watched him again. I watched them again, 1:14:57.080 --> 1:15:01.519 and I again, I tried, I try, and I see 1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:04.840 a vision for him. But what I keep coming back 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:06.800 to is the cop which I just think is is 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:09.280 just a one for one, maybe the perfect comp for 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:12.400 any player in this draft. To me, he's just Drake London, right, 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:15.840 He's Drake London two point zero. Now, Drake London is 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:18.559 a thousand yard receiver with good quarterback play in Atlanta. 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:20.840 So it's not like he's a terrible player, right, He's 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:23.760 a very good player. But if Drake London is your 1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:26.920 number one receiver, then you kind of have like a 1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:32.960 low end wide receiver one as your top dog, right Robinson, Yeah, okay, fine, 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:35.880 you need a complimentary piece at least you need either 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:38.840 another one B or you need like the stud. And 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:41.280 he became, you know, the Jamar Chase, and he becomes 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:44.000 the T Higgins. If he's T Higgins to Jamar Chase 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:46.320 for you, he has a really good T Higgins right, 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:48.759 Like T Higgins, I don't think is a bad comp 1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:53.559 honestly from a player standpoint, but if he's your Jamar Chase, 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:56.360 I still think that you are behind the eight ball 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:58.439 a little bit. The other thing I would say with Ted, 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:00.960 and I'll get to the positives. If you were to 1:16:01.000 --> 1:16:03.920 put him in last year's wide receiver class. 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:05.479 Don't do it. You know how I hate this. 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:07.400 If you were to put him into last year's wide 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:11.559 receiver class, I think he's wide receiver five last year. 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:13.760 It's unfair though, because like, yes, this year's a bad 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:17.080 wide receiver class. Last year was generational. 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.240 So my point by bringing that up though, isn't so 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:22.479 much like I hear what you're saying and I get 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:25.280 what you're saying. My point of bringing that up, though, 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:29.240 is that what you're getting at is that you're you're 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.720 gonna be reaching on this player at four, Like you're 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:34.640 just you are like this this player at four is 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:37.320 a reach. You know, you are really talking about him 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:41.080 probably comfortably in a regular draft class, being drafted someplace 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.800 in the teams right or maybe early twenties, and now 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:46.240 the Patriots because they have this glaring need at wide 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:49.519 receiver and he does fill the suit, You're you're gonna 1:16:49.560 --> 1:16:51.760 just draft him at four because of the w R 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.800 next to his name, And that's risky, Like, that's a 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.720 huge risk. That's how teams bust on that position in 1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:01.040 particular throughout the course of history in the draft is 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:04.000 by reaching on that position. The things I like about 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.160 Tet McMillan, he's a little bit misunderstood. I don't think 1:17:07.200 --> 1:17:09.280 he's a contested catch artist. I think he's a very 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:09.880 good number. 1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:12.439 People see the size and they project him as he's 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:13.679 not bad at the catch point. 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:14.639 Yeah, it's not bad. 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:18.519 But his what makes him different than these other like 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:21.640 six five, two hundred and fifteen pound receivers is he 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:24.320 makes plays with bal in his hands. Yeah, he's he's 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:26.120 a thread at all three levels because he can great 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:28.479 after the catch. That's what makes him special. That he 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:32.040 is as good at the contested catch point as you 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:34.479 would expect a six to five receiver to be. He's 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:37.360 not Rainy Moss. Yeah, but he's not completely inefty either. 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:41.600 He's solid. He's fine that that alone. Yeah, he'd be 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:43.559 like a Day two pick. It's what he does after 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:46.160 the catch that makes them special. My biggest concern about 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:49.960 Tet McMillan, though, is the consistency. Fifty percent of his 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:53.559 receiving yards last year came in four games, including the 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:56.600 what three hundred something against a really bad New Mexico. 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:58.519 Team, which a tape I have not watched and will 1:17:58.520 --> 1:17:59.000 not watch. 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:01.240 I understand that what you really got to do is 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:04.200 go watch his best game in college I think is 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:08.240 Colorado last year because he took it to Travis Hunter. 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:12.080 I don't know that the only guy that's had better 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:14.200 the only guy that had better success against Hunter as 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:18.720 a corner is Ao Manor from Stanford. And that was 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:20.400 really all in one half. And I don't know if 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:21.040 you've watched that one. 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:23.360 Yeah, I'm getting to You're gonna have a lot. 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:27.120 Of fun with that tape. But like McMillan's interviews are 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:31.639 gonna be big because is that lack of that Arizona 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:34.160 team is not good? They were not good. Fafita is 1:18:34.200 --> 1:18:36.280 a fine college quarterback. I don't think he's much an 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:39.120 NFL prospect. He's a fine college quarterback. They really didn't 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:41.240 have anything else there. So was it an issue of 1:18:41.240 --> 1:18:43.880 teams just completely blanking him and taking away he was 1:18:43.880 --> 1:18:46.280 getting the you know, the Calvin Johnson treatment. That picture 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.760 with the two defenders right there, Like, how did he 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:52.040 see it? I think that's gonna be very telling to 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:54.800 hear his side of why were these games different than 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:55.320 these games? 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:55.479 So? 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:58.400 I think he's a decent separator for his size. I 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:00.760 think he's a decent route runner. He's a sudden movere. 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:04.479 He can stop and start quickly and create separation. I 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:07.160 think his best route is probably like a comeback or 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:09.919 a nine stop where he just you know, vertically releases 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:11.679 and then stops down at the top of the route 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:14.280 and creates that separation. He's got a good feel for 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:16.120 zone over the middle of the field. Like, I think 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:18.040 he's a good route runner for his size at six 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:20.880 foot five, you know, he's a very good change of 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:24.040 direction talent type of player. So don't get it twisted 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:26.120 to think that this guy is like, you know, some 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:28.559 jump ball artist and that's how he made all of 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:32.080 his yards. I don't see him that way. My concern 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.080 with him is that he's not He really isn't a burner, 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.439 and he doesn't really change gears very well either. He's 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:40.920 kind of a glider and more of like that sort 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:41.920 of type of player. 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.840 The way I've said it, he's not slow, yeah, but 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:48.040 you wouldn't call him fast either, like he is functional speech. 1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:50.280 So I don't think he's pulling away from anybody, is 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:53.439 my point. So when you talk about third level separation 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:56.519 and vertical separation and all that kind of stuff, that 1:19:56.680 --> 1:20:00.040 stuff becomes important because you need the defensive back. I 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.439 respect the fact that he can go by you. Yeah, 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:04.840 And if you don't respect that, then all these comebacks 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:07.320 and nine stops and in cuts and all that kind 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:09.760 of stuff that's all over his tape, that's good. Like 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:12.680 now you're just gonna get those suffocated, Like those are 1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:14.320 just gonna be the routes everybody covers. 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:17.679 Well. He also didn't face press in college, so there's 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:19.000 an adjustment. 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:21.840 So we'll see. I'm not like a hard no on 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:23.960 Ted McMillan. It has to come in a trade down 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:26.439 for me. And like I said, I think that he's 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:30.559 best suited as a robin in an NFL offense to 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:34.080 a true batman. And if they signed to Higgins and 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:36.920 it really doesn't make any sense. You know, it has 1:20:37.000 --> 1:20:39.639 to be somebody that's gonna play the Z the slot, 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:42.920 you know, play inside off of him playing on the outside. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.559 You know. Last thing I would say maybe one of 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:48.679 his better attributes in terms of if you want really 1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:51.720 to get that vertical field stretching ability, he can run 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:54.040 routes from the slot and he does it pretty well. 1:20:54.040 --> 1:20:56.000 He can play all three positions, which is kind of 1:20:56.000 --> 1:20:58.440 cool for a guy that side. You can't see that. 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.479 That's where he's different than Drake Lindon. That is maybe 1:21:00.479 --> 1:21:02.400 a little bit better. Yeah, that's pretty rare for guy 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:02.800 that side. 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:04.800 He's not a first level separator there, Like he's not 1:21:04.800 --> 1:21:07.360 gonna run juke routs and things like that. But if 1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:08.800 you want him to run the seam, if you want 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.160 him to split cover two, like, he can get up 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:13.000 the field that way. And if you get him on 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:15.200 some linebackers and safeties in the middle of the field. 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:17.240 Then he can win those foot and this thing. 1:21:17.120 --> 1:21:18.280 Is like, you can put him even if you get 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:20.519 him on a slower corner, yeah, just or a smaller 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.000 corner because of the stride length. If you get him, 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:25.080 you don't need him to run a dig to separate 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:27.160 at the first level because he's so big and he 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:29.639 has those long legs. If you get him on a drag, 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:32.000 he'll pull away from the corner and boom. Now he 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:33.040 used the ball with room and run. 1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:36.720 Yeah. Yeah again, I fine player, wouldn't take him at 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:39.720 four and would be eyes wide open to the fact 1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:43.360 that he's probably not the answer. He's he's an answer, 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:45.800 but he's probably not the answer. All right, So let's 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:47.960 fly through the rest of these because I don't want 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:49.040 to take you one. 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:50.400 More guy on the list. No no, no, no, no, 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:52.080 no no. You had one more guy on that list. 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:55.360 Yeah too, Oh you too, I remember one, oh at 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:57.600 the very bottom. Yeah, well that's different. Those are my 1:21:57.640 --> 1:21:58.479 honorable mentions. 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:00.800 Oh okay, yeah, honorable mentions. 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:03.519 I'll get to all out of your moment with that. 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:05.559 So my next guy on the list was Will Johnson 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:09.320 out the cornerback from Michigan who I thought was was good. 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:11.599 I think is his own corner. I think he plays 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:14.760 best in cover two, where as a cloud corner on 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:18.479 the flats and you know, ballhawking and off coverage where 1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:20.800 he can pedal and read and react and see things 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:23.559 in front of him if he presses. I do worry 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:25.839 about his long speed and his ability to stay connected 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:28.400 down the field. But the corner that I compared him 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.559 to his Christian ben for with Buffalo, who was one 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:32.880 of the best zone corners in the league. Now i'd 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:34.320 see a little bit of that, see a little bit 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:36.600 of like prime Josh Norman to his game, you know, 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:39.160 like I think those guys are good comps. His tape 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.840 against Roma Dunsay and the National Championship game was it 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:44.040 was a good film for him. Had a couple of penalties, 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:46.479 but I thought overall was pretty solid against the Dunsa 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.040 So I did go back and watch that one. Like 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:51.640 Will Johnson, but not in love with him to the 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:55.439 point where I'm taking him over positions that the Patriots 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:57.600 need a little bit more than corner. But he's in 1:22:57.640 --> 1:22:59.880 this conversation, in this trade down scenario, I'm. 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:04.560 Good Will Johnson. They have Christian Zalez. There's good cornerback. 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:06.720 He's not a bad position. Free agency, Like you need 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:10.559 a guy that can be a complimentary guy. I'm good. 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:13.120 I don't need them to take Will Johnson fair enough. 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:16.680 Last one Kelvin Banks. He came in at number ten 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:20.960 on this list again trade down scenario tier here with 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:23.280 with Kelvin Banks. I think the biggest thing that I 1:23:23.320 --> 1:23:26.360 worry about with Kelvin Banks is when he has to redirect, 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:28.280 when he has to change directions and he has to 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:31.800 mirror guys, he tends to lose control and he gets 1:23:31.840 --> 1:23:34.160 a little bit wild with his technique when those things happen, 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:37.479 and that leads to some really ugly quick losses, right, 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:39.200 which is the ones that you don't want to see 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:41.760 on film. But he's a really good run blocker. I 1:23:41.800 --> 1:23:44.040 think he's already really good in that way. And he's 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:46.800 pretty good at protecting his edge, like I think he's 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:49.360 gonna make you take the long way home to the quarterback. 1:23:49.720 --> 1:23:52.000 He's very good at, you know, playing inside out and 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.880 protecting the inside and making the guy go around the edge, 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:58.040 which is what you want and from an offensive lineman. 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:01.000 So I actually look at him and I compared him 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:03.599 to Darnell right with Chicago. You know, just a really 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:07.240 good run blocker who can pass protect. And I actually 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:09.760 wonder if he's best stuited to play right tackle in 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:12.760 the league, especially in this type of system. If he's 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:15.439 here with the Patriots with Josh McDaniels, if he plays 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:17.640 on the right side, and their gap heavy again and 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.559 they're doubling and they're pulling guards and all that good stuff, 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:24.040 you know, full backs and things. Him next to Mike Godwen, 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:26.479 it would move some people like that would be a 1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:29.280 very very good right side. I don't know if he 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:33.000 has the body control and the talent to play on 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:35.400 an island at left tackle in the league. I don't 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:37.400 know if I would put him there, but I do 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:39.360 think that he's In this conversation. 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:40.439 I think you're under selling him a little bit. I 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:43.720 think his athleticism. People are underrating his athleticism and that 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:45.960 makes up for some of the other stuff he's also. 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:47.560 I mean, it's Josh McDaniels. We know they're gonna be 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:49.720 heavy with like screens and things like that. You get 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:51.800 him out in front, leading on a toss or leading 1:24:51.800 --> 1:24:56.760 on a screen. Yeah, he's a menace. So I think 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:59.519 he has franchise tackle upside. Now there's a way to 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:03.559 get there. Yeah, Like Campbell is more ready plug and play. 1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:06.559 I think Banks is more of a project looking closer 1:25:06.560 --> 1:25:08.680 at him than maybe I thought during the season, But 1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:11.479 I think he can be a set it and forget 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:12.759 it tackle in the NFL. 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:15.080 Yep, I agree. I don't know if it will be 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:17.040 on the on the left side, but I agree that 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.680 he's a starting caliber tackle in the league. All right, 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:24.080 So my honorable mentions here MIKEL Williams from Georgia. Another 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:25.800 guy that if they were in a different position and 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:27.720 they could take the ball of clay and work with 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:30.000 him and refine his skill set and all that kind 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:32.200 of stuff, Like he's gonna be a good player down 1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:34.559 the road. It just might take a year or two 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:38.240 to get him there. He'd be fun. I really liked 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:42.280 armand Mambu from Missouri, but he has a little bit 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:44.800 too much Isaiah Winn vibes to me like short with 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:48.120 short arms and like doesn't really have the measurables to 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:49.280 play tackle in the NFL. 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.599 But if he doesn't play tackle, he's a right tackle. 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:53.639 He's not like you're not considering him on the left. 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:58.920 Yeah, great, great feet for Membo. Josh Simmons, just a 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:00.720 little blurb on him that I wrote up in this 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.479 just if he was healthy, we'd be having a very 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.840 different conversation about Josh Simmons. But we'll never know. We'll 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:08.760 never know if he would have performed well in the 1:26:08.800 --> 1:26:11.720 College Football Playoff. We never will never know what his 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:13.519 numbers and what his film would have looked like if 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.680 he had stayed healthy throughout the entire year. And that 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.840 injury torn Butteler tendon is the same injury that Cole 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.200 Strange had that keep him kept him off the field 1:26:22.200 --> 1:26:24.800 for a calendar year. So he suffered that injury in 1:26:24.840 --> 1:26:28.960 November against Oregon. That means that you're looking at Thanksgiving 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:33.240 of his rookie year best case scenario, So most likely 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:36.000 you're looking at a red shirt rookie season for Josh Lichens. 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:37.880 They can't afford to have their first round pick. 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:40.680 Not play no, And he's a great candidate for like 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:43.880 the Niners, the Chiefs, like teams like that that are 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:47.439 are looking for the upside and can have and take 1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:49.479 those chances. You know at the back end of the. 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:51.120 Page, and look, it didn't work out. I've compared him 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:53.519 to Dominique Easley. The Patriots tried that, however, many years ago, 1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:55.080 because they were in the position to do it. It didn't 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:57.680 work out like that. You want a guy with that 1:26:57.800 --> 1:27:00.120 talent later in the draft. That's how you get them. 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:01.559 Malcolm Mitch would be another one. 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:02.320 Last one. 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:04.280 Do it? Say it? 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:08.360 Ashton Denty from Boise State my comp for Ashton Dent. 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:10.120 I saw this. This was interesting. 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:11.080 Maurice Jones Drew. 1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:12.600 I think he's a little more powerful than that, but 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:13.760 it's not a bad comp. 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:18.479 Low center of gravity, explosive, big playmaker from everywhere. He's 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:21.200 got that trunk right, He's got that that thick lower 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:23.080 body to run through on tackles. 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:26.479 The Tampa running backer we call the muscle Hamster, Doug Martin. 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:27.519 Doug Martin's much better. 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:29.840 He's much better, but he's got that. He's the build. 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:32.479 I love mj D. Shout out mj D. I think 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:34.400 I think he's got a little bit of MGD in 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:37.360 his game. I wish he was better as a receiver, 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:40.000 Like if he was if he was a true pass 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:42.680 catching back also, then like you could kind of get 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:45.080 that Alvin Kamara vibe did you watch. 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:46.760 And he didn't watch any of twenty twenty three, did 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:48.080 you No? They used him a lot more in the 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:49.040 pass game last year. 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:50.519 I wish I was a better receiver. 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:53.040 You think he's not Kamara, He's not CMC, but he's 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:53.840 a better receiver. 1:27:53.720 --> 1:27:56.760 Right if he was with his contact balance and explosiveness 1:27:56.960 --> 1:28:00.800 He's got like he's like the ball carrying running version 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:03.680 of Alvin Kamara, right, but he's not the receiver that 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:06.439 Alvin Kamara was. If he was both of those things together, 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.599 then like he would be in Matt McCaffrey. Like take 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:11.360 him in the top ten, and he's. 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:12.920 Not a liability as a receiver though, Like he can 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:14.639 be a factor. You're not gonna build your pass game 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:16.240 around him, but he can. I'm trying to think of, 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:18.400 like who the comp would be for that, who like 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:21.800 wasn't a primary receiving back, but like factored in to 1:28:21.840 --> 1:28:24.439 the pass get factors in the pass catching game. I'll 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:25.040 think about it. 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:28.080 So by the last line of this entire post, if 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:30.600 they take out Ashton Gentry in the first round with 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:32.200 their first pick, I will be on the side of 1:28:32.200 --> 1:28:34.479 the Tobin Bridge and you will have to talk me 1:28:34.520 --> 1:28:37.720 off the ledge so I'm not for it. I'm but 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:38.960 I had to mention his name. 1:28:41.000 --> 1:28:42.680 What I always say, Yeah, I have to talk about it. 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:43.880 You talked about it. I'm happy. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:44.960 Did you like my tears? 1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:47.200 I did? Those are good. I'm trying to think of 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.240 a running back now that's like that kind of Joe 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.240 Mixon would be a good one. We're like they would 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:52.960 throw the ball at Joe Mixon a couple times again, 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:55.519 like didn't build anything around it, both in Houston and 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:58.479 in Cincinnati. But like you weren't taking Joe Mixon out 1:28:58.520 --> 1:28:59.719 of the game to throw the football. 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:01.600 That's fair. 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:01.559 Fair. 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:03.840 That's where I think is. So he's not as big. 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:05.840 He's not as big, but like that kind of role 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:06.639 in the passing game. 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:08.600 He's not as big as this guy either, But like, 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:10.920 is he like a souped up Ormandra Stevenson. 1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:16.720 Uh. Yeah, he's a better blocker, and Steevens is a 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:18.519 good block That's the other thing. He's a really good 1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:19.240 pass blocker. 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:21.599 You're trying to sell it. It's not working. 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:23.400 I'm just saying he's a good player. He's gonna be 1:29:23.400 --> 1:29:27.439 a Cowboy. That's like the most obvious pick Ever's. 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:30.720 Why the Cowboys at the Cowboys. 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If he's still there, 1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:35.240 what's up, Patty? 1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:42.520 I'm still here, guys going on not much. A few questions. 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:45.120 I'll run through them quickly because you know, I don't 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:46.800 want to keep the other calls on the line. But 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:52.360 question one top the draft, do the Titans really run 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:56.320 it back with Billy Jeans and take Abdul Carter Travis Hunter. 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:01.760 I don't think those two things are mutually exclude. I 1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:03.759 think they could go get another quarterback in the veteran 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:06.799 market or draft, you know, Jalen Milroe or Will Howard 1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:10.280 on day two Kyle McCord uh to compete with Levis. Basically, 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:12.880 do I always go back to what the Panthers didn't 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:15.920 in I think it's two thousand and nine where they 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:18.400 drafted Jimmy Clausen in the second round. It might have 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:20.680 been twenty ten or on day two, and it was 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:23.120 kind of like a well, if he works, great and 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:24.439 if not, we'll have a high pick next you and 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:26.160 we'll actually get the guy and they get cammed, So 1:31:26.600 --> 1:31:28.919 I there's a chance that they have a new quarterback 1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:30.160 and don't take a quarterback first. 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:34.400 Overall, all right, Question two to deez, do you guys 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:37.639 get to seed? I don't know if it's ruder or boiter, 1:31:37.800 --> 1:31:42.040 but Chad Ruter's three round mac on NFL dot Com. 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.360 I didn't see enough. But Chad's a good good I read. 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:46.320 What did he say? 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:48.519 Oh? Did he have gent six? 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:52.799 I don't know if he HADDENTI six. I just paid attention, 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:56.160 paid attention to the Patriots picks. So he had Carter 1:31:56.280 --> 1:32:01.240 going four, He had Arianta Ers going with their second 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:05.760 round pick, and then Isaiah Bond and Henderson running back 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:08.040 from Ohio State, which I wouldn't be. 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:10.719 That would be awesome, decent draft. 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:13.040 I would take that. I mean, I don't love Bond, 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:15.240 he wouldn't love Henderson. So we get some good debate, 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.200 but like overall, that'd be a pretty solid draft. 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:20.559 Yeah. I like that one. Why don't you you're a 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:21.320 hater on Bond? 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:22.200 Last question. 1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:27.599 Before I get to the last question that I'll take 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:30.120 off there, I wanted to know what you guys thought 1:32:30.120 --> 1:32:32.840 of this comparison too, because I see a lot of 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:36.760 like Mike Parsons comparisons with Abdul Carter, and he's been 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:39.400 my draft crush since, like I think the Wisconsin and 1:32:39.439 --> 1:32:41.720 Ohio State back to back games, I was like, who 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.120 the hell is this guy? This guy is a freaking animal. 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:48.400 I think the more apt comparison with him that I see, 1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:51.559 he's the same size, Dame build and everything is von 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.320 Miller because von Miller wasn't great against the run coming 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:57.360 out of college, but he was an absolute freaking animal 1:32:57.439 --> 1:33:00.479 coming off the edge. And the last thing, I'll take 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:03.760 it off there, guys, what would you What do you 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.920 guys think or how do you feel if you watched 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:13.320 anything on him? About Malachi Carter? I think the safety 1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:16.040 out of Alabama, who who's kind of like a proof 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:18.160 free safety. And if I got his name wrong, I'm sorry, 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:19.040 but I'll take that off there. 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.799 Guys, Thanks bag, thanks for the call. Appreciate you waiting. 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:25.320 I don't mind the von Miller comp I hold von 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:27.240 Miller in really high regard, so I try not to 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:29.759 throw that that comp around for a lot of people. 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:32.320 But I guess Michael Parsons is also a pretty dark, 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:32.760 good player. 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:38.440 I would say von Miller was much more technically advanced. 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:42.360 He had a deeper bag, he was more refined. If 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.280 you want to talk about a ceiling, like where does 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:47.559 Carter get to? Yeah, that's probably like if he maxes out. Yeah, 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.240 I think he's probably more Von Miller than Michael Parsons. 1:33:50.280 --> 1:33:53.920 But it's not about him as a prospect. Like again, 1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:56.960 Carter just really started playing this position full time last year. 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.679 You can see that there is still learning, active learning 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:03.960 going on. Anything on your Malachi Starks is gonna be 1:34:03.960 --> 1:34:05.720 a top fifteen pick. I don't think they need to 1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:07.240 take a safety that high. I think that's who he 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:07.519 asked me. 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:10.439 Oh no, he has Malachi Moore more from my. 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:15.800 Yeah, he's not bad. I really like I'm kind of 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.320 familiar with him, Like he's fine. I don't know that 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:20.880 he's gonna be If they draft a free safety, I 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:22.080 want them to get a guy that's going to be 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:24.120 able to be on the field sixty seventy percent of 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:27.720 the time. I really like Andrew mccooba from Texas. Yeah, 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:30.880 he he his range is rare, he can cover so 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.880 much ground and the ball skills need work, but I 1:34:33.880 --> 1:34:36.320 think that's coachable but right now he can get to 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:38.680 the spot, which I think is the harder ask. So 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.280 he's a you know, late day two pick. I like him. 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:44.600 I liked Billy Bowman at the Senior ball. Moore is 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:46.600 kind of in that same group. He wouldn't be a 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.519 bad pick, but there's other players I like better for 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:48.840 that role. 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:49.920 Yeah, fair enough, all right. 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:51.920 Also just that that maculate it. That would be so 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.120 perfect for this show. It's not gonna happen because Carter's. 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:55.840 That's a decent lock, but I'm cool with it. 1:34:55.880 --> 1:34:57.840 We get two players that we both love and Phil 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:01.000 needs and all that, and then we get Isaiah Bond 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:03.280 versus Travion Henderson. The debates we're going to have on 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:06.240 those two would be outstanding because I get my bully 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:08.400 ball running back and you get your fast and nothing 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:09.000 else receiver. 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:13.479 Okay, I think you're under selling one thing about Isaiah 1:35:13.479 --> 1:35:16.400 Bond fast and answer the question even fast, And you 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:19.519 were right that he's just a speedster. You're right about that, 1:35:20.080 --> 1:35:23.280 but he has built a lot different than like a 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:26.720 taekwondo okay, but like he's not he's not a string bean, 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:29.559 like he fast and fast? 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:32.360 That okay, So you still can't answer that question that 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:36.439 I have a need for. When's the next Olympics. That's 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:36.960 where you go. 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.240 If you're just listening and you played, if you played 1:35:39.280 --> 1:35:42.760 receiver and he started at Alabama and Texas and like 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:43.559 you're doing something. 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:45.840 We want Matthew Golden. If we're getting Texas receiver. 1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:48.720 All right, we might talk about Matthew Golden here soon. 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:51.360 All right, Brad is in Ohio? What's up? Brad? 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:52.960 Hey? 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:54.320 How you guys doing good? 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:56.240 Good? 1:35:56.800 --> 1:36:00.000 I just wanted to agree with Patty about the the 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:04.719 running back from Ohio State, the Henderson guy. Yep, yeah, 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:08.040 I'm you know. I'm a Michigan fan, so I do 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:09.679 agree he would be a great fit. 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:12.200 Let me ask you this, who would you rather have 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:15.080 Henderson or quin Shawn Jenkins. 1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:18.799 I'd rather have Dave Donovan Edwards. 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:22.080 That's a true Michigan fan right there. There you go. 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:25.400 Well, no, no, no, I'm just saying I'm him and 1:36:25.439 --> 1:36:29.559 a Patriots Josh McDaniel of all fans. I just think 1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:32.760 that would really fit, guys, I don't, I really did. 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:37.280 I think Donovan will fit. There's a running back from 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:41.639 Iowa too, I think coming out Johnson and then I'm 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:43.800 just gonna spit out of a couple of names real quick, 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:46.320 because I know there's other callers. That way we can 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:48.840 get through these, because you guys can give me an idea. 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:52.759 Is this safety from Ohio State coming out Caleb Downs? 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:54.800 No, No, he is at the top of my board 1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:57.800 for twenty twenty six. He's so freaking. 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:02.479 Good, outstanding. Yeah, the guy's gonna be a breath. Coach 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:06.280 to Loveland is gonna him and Drake May together would 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:09.519 be a problem for any defense. I agree, you know, 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:14.240 Coach to Loveland against with J. J. McCarthy, that's when 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:18.559 he was actually ever ever able to thrive. And even 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:21.840 then they held him back. They didn't really let, like 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.840 you said, allow him to, you know, to kind of 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:29.439 transcend into what he should be. And then uh, Josiah 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:32.080 Stewart in the fourth rounds of that possible. 1:37:32.720 --> 1:37:36.000 Uh yeah, yeah. I thinks for the call, Brad, we 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.240 just want to get to everybody. I Jasiah Stewart. I 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:40.559 think it's gonna be a top one hundred packs. 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:40.840 I think so. 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:44.479 But he's he's a lot of fun. Uh, He's that 1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:47.080 type of guy you're gonna get a lot because he 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:50.160 went to Michigan and He's kind of a situational pass rusher, 1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:52.080 like you're gonna hear a lot of But I think 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:54.439 he's his first step is better than was. I think 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.120 he's a little bit more explosive off the ball, uh 1:37:57.160 --> 1:38:00.320 than Josh was. But he he's a lot of fun 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:02.120 and he was kind of that guy that got a 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:04.400 lot of those cleanup sacks and stuff with you know 1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:06.719 Graham and the other guys who's the was it Grant 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:09.200 right the DT in the middle and there from Michigan. 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:11.800 So yeah, I really liked him at the Senior Bowl. 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:14.360 Watched his tape and saw a lot of the same things. 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:18.120 Go watch Josiah Stewart against USC last year. Just took 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:22.600 those tackles to freaking lunch, like eight quarterback pressures, two sacks, stripsack. 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:24.960 He was all over the quarterback in that game. So 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:26.960 he's a lot of fun. He's not going to set 1:38:26.960 --> 1:38:29.200 the edge, like he's not Afroony Jennings. He's not going 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:31.280 to set the edge. But if you want somebody to 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.320 rush the quarterback and sack the quarterback on third down, 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:37.519 then Josiah Stewart can definitely do that. Let's go to 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:40.120 one of our favorites, Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark? 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:43.680 Hey, guys, I had a good one for you. 1:38:44.280 --> 1:38:48.160 So I am of the thing of moving down between 1:38:48.280 --> 1:38:50.800 seven to ten because I think you can add a 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:54.599 second round pick, and by doing that, you can pick 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:57.880 up Kyler Warren. Because we've seen what Drake May. He 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:01.280 likes to throw at a big tight end and it's 1:39:01.400 --> 1:39:04.760 just what Josh McDaniels. It's gonna be a great fit, 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.320 I really believe. And then with that additional second round pick, 1:39:08.800 --> 1:39:11.880 you compare that with your third round pick and move 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:14.000 back up at the U into the back of the 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:17.240 first round and maybe get another tackle. If you don't 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:18.880 do that free agency, it's just want to get you 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:19.680 guys to take on that. 1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:23.960 I don't hate the idea. Then I don't hate the 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:26.000 idea of moving down to moving back up, whether it's 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:28.080 for Warren, whether it's for somebody else. I like Warren, 1:39:28.120 --> 1:39:31.280 and he laid out that's the argument Tyler Warren, Drake 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:33.640 May likes throwing a tight ends. Josh McDaniels is very 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:36.880 experienced with two tight end sets, with maximizing guys like that, 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:39.880 Like you want to talk about, I've shot down a 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.519 lot of guys because well, least he's gonna work here. 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:45.040 He's a good player, But is he gonna work here? Yeah, 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:48.240 Tyler Warren's the opposite. I think I feel better about 1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:50.879 him than I would on a neutral you know, discussing 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:54.000 this neutrally league wide because there is such a clear 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:56.720 path for Tyler Warren in New England. I know it 1:39:56.800 --> 1:39:59.040 sounded before like I was shooting it down saying, well, 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:00.680 you know you're gonna run a lot of at twelve. No, 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:03.320 like you're gonna run a lot at twelve with Josh McDaniels. 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:04.880 It makes sense. I just want to go back to 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:07.519 last caller too, because he asked about a couple other players. Yeah, 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:12.280 Caleb Johnson is basically your day two Ashon genty, bigger, back, physical, 1:40:12.640 --> 1:40:15.360 but has some bursts. He's a good player, Probably gonna 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:18.360 go higher in the patch to take a back. And 1:40:18.400 --> 1:40:21.479 then he mentioned Donovan Edwards, who I took in my 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:24.479 last mock draft for the Patriots on ninety five at 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:27.640 sports sub dot com. He's exactly right, Donovan Edwards in 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:30.120 a Josh McDaniels offense, if they're gonna go back to 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:32.559 early down and passing down right, and they don't want 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:35.720 to spend big on a running back. I think I 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:39.320 said this to you last week. He's Rex Burkhead. He's 1:40:39.360 --> 1:40:41.360 gonna be able to play both roles, and he gives 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:43.920 you backup for Andre Stephenson. He gives you back up 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:46.000 for Antonio Gibson. He's a guy that can be a 1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:48.320 factor week in and week out and do a variety 1:40:48.400 --> 1:40:51.960 of things. So he is a fantastic Patriots fit. He's 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:55.200 currently being projected in the seventh round. I think that's 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:58.080 low but about right. But like grabbing him later on 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:02.280 day three, he fits tremendously into what I think they're 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:03.559 gonna try to do with their running backs. 1:41:03.680 --> 1:41:06.559 Yeah. My one question with the tight ends with Warren 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:08.880 and Loveland, and I kind of went back and forth 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.200 and had a tough time with this as well. There's 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:13.800 no doubt that Warren is the more well rounded and 1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:17.559 more polished, just like you were saying earlier, Like there's 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:21.080 tape of him at a high volume carrying an offense 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:23.200 and all that kind of stuff. There's no doubt about 1:41:23.240 --> 1:41:26.599 that with Warren. But even though he's more well rounded, 1:41:27.000 --> 1:41:29.840 Loveland is definitely the more dynamic player, right, So, like, 1:41:29.880 --> 1:41:33.120 which one do you gravitate towards as an offense is 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:35.880 gonna be an interesting conversation that I think is gonna 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:38.639 become closer and closer as the draft gets closer, because 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:40.760 you know, there's gonna be two schools of thought, like 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.559 one one school is gonna be you know, this guy 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.719 is gonna you know, Loveland is is a true chunk artist, 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:50.559 like he is a big play, explosive athlete at his size, 1:41:50.640 --> 1:41:55.480 especially whereas Warren is is just a well rounded, polished 1:41:55.680 --> 1:41:59.000 tight end prospect. And which one do you gravitate towards? Like, 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:01.680 I think it's a good conversation for. 1:42:01.600 --> 1:42:05.920 What they are right now, I'd probably go with Warren. 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:08.960 Yeah, I have Warren a little bit ahead of Loveland too. 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:11.280 I think there are teams where Loveland might make more sense. 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:13.040 Yeah, and I think a lot of those, you know, 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:16.719 those teams you look at guys, you know, Brat Bauers 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:18.840 is kind of like a unicorn, but like you look 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:21.040 at like a Sam Laporta for example, Like if you 1:42:21.080 --> 1:42:24.280 put him in that kind of exotic run, smash mouth 1:42:24.320 --> 1:42:26.439 type of team that likes to play action and likes 1:42:26.479 --> 1:42:29.120 to sneak tight ends out and all that kind of stuff, 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:32.559 then like having someone as explosive as Loveland. I think 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:35.000 it translates a lot like Sam Laporta in De Troit. 1:42:35.040 --> 1:42:38.839 You know, I could totally see Loveland Kansas City. Okay, 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.479 I can see that like as Travis Kelsey's replacement. 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:44.800 Yeah, that's a good point. Andy is in Subbury. What's 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:46.920 up Andy? Hey? 1:42:47.000 --> 1:42:47.320 Guys? 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:48.280 How are we doing today? 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:48.639 Good? 1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:50.280 Good? 1:42:50.720 --> 1:42:56.240 So I'm completely in agreement with you. If either Hunter 1:42:56.680 --> 1:43:00.960 or if either if either Hunter or Carter is THEREK 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:04.160 for you take him. Other than that, I would trade 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:07.800 down to about the six or seventh spot. And I'm 1:43:07.840 --> 1:43:12.200 still a Teed McMillan guy. But I really was interested 1:43:12.200 --> 1:43:15.400 in hearing you guys out on Tyler Warren because I 1:43:15.439 --> 1:43:19.000 love him and like you said, Jess McDaniels is a 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:21.559 master with poo tight insects. I could see him with 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:23.840 Paul and with Hunter, Henry and Drake me. 1:43:24.160 --> 1:43:26.479 Thanks guys, thanks for the calling. He appreciate it. We 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:29.960 talked a lot about Tyler Warren earlier, but we're both there. 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.120 I think Tyler Warren is a guy that's on both 1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:35.519 of our radars, probably in the trade down, but really 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:37.720 intriguing player. Do you want to get to some of 1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:39.800 these emails. We got a bunch of emails. Can we 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:40.679 do rapid fire? 1:43:40.880 --> 1:43:42.160 We can because I want to give. 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:47.440 These guys. So Floyd email is in from Michigan. Floyd's 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:51.320 a regular listener, so I appreciate that, and he kind 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:52.800 of gets me here a little bit. This is a 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:56.240 good rebuttal to my Will Campbell over Mason Graham. He 1:43:56.320 --> 1:44:00.400 said that I have said in the past that you 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:03.160 don't reach on need in the draft, that you take 1:44:03.160 --> 1:44:05.360 the best player available. You don't reach on need. And 1:44:05.439 --> 1:44:07.960 a lot of people have Mason Graham over Will Campbell. 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:11.519 So wouldn't taking Will Campbell over Mason Graham be reaching 1:44:11.560 --> 1:44:14.479 because of the tackle position. I think my just one 1:44:14.680 --> 1:44:16.280 kind of rebuttal. It's a good point. He kind of 1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:18.880 got me there a little bit. Is just that I 1:44:18.920 --> 1:44:21.639 have I look at Will Campbell Mason Graham as closer 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:22.880 as prospects than other people. 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:25.800 I don't that's I understand not reaching for talent people. 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:27.760 Why are you reaching for Will Campbell? I don't think 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:31.080 I'm reaching. Now, let's see again city our measurement. But 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:34.000 in this interesting he's still training as a tackle. Yep, 1:44:34.160 --> 1:44:37.040 Jeremy or as of like two three weeks ago. Yeah, 1:44:37.120 --> 1:44:41.840 so he knows something maybe there, Like, I don't think 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:43.880 it's a reach for Will Campbell at four. I don't 1:44:43.960 --> 1:44:46.200 I wouldn't reach for a player at four. I don't 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:47.400 think Will Campbell's all reach it for. 1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:51.040 Yeah, I agree with that. This is from Brian who 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:54.080 says that he's a listener since the Sealing s days, 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:58.320 so shut out there to clintis the Travis Hunter question 1:44:58.360 --> 1:44:59.679 that I think we get a lot here? 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:00.000 Yeah? 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:03.439 Is is it like having two bites of the apple with 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:05.599 one player because if you try him out at receiver 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:07.679 and he fails, then you can move him to corner 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:09.920 or vice versa. Like, do you feel like that adds 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:11.360 value to that Travis. 1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:13.040 Underdill, because that's not really what it is, because he's 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:18.000 still getting older as you're going, and what at twenty six, 1:45:18.160 --> 1:45:20.160 twenty seven, you're gonna have him start learning a new 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:22.760 position that he probably hasn't spent a lot of time 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:25.200 at the last few years. It honestly kind of reminds 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:26.680 me when I worked in minor league baseball and these 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:28.840 guys would come through after you know, four or five 1:45:28.920 --> 1:45:30.280 years trying to be a catcher, trying to be a 1:45:30.320 --> 1:45:32.800 shortstop couldn't get up to the system and that you know, 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:35.360 they go back to a ball and start trying to pitch. 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:36.040 Yeah. 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:38.960 So, and it's not a perfect comparison, but like, no, 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:41.080 your your development plan is what it is. If it 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:43.600 doesn't work, somebody else is probably going to try to 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:43.880 do that. 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.880 Yep. So a couple of Josh Simmons questions. One person 1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:50.800 pointed out that in the past Vrabel is taking some 1:45:51.040 --> 1:45:53.960 risks on some injury guys, you know, Caleb Farreley like that, 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:58.000 those types of players back, and another one just asking it. 1:45:58.040 --> 1:46:00.880 You know, didn't hear us talk about Josh Simmons. I 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:03.240 did mention him in my Honorable Mentions in my post 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:06.040 this morning on Patriots dot com. But I think the 1:46:06.040 --> 1:46:08.960 biggest thing to me with a guy like Simmons is 1:46:09.640 --> 1:46:12.200 just that we'd be having a different conversation. If he 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:15.240 was healthy and he played the same way throughout the 1:46:15.360 --> 1:46:17.439 entire college football season that he did in the first 1:46:17.439 --> 1:46:20.680 five games, then he would be left tackle ot one, 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:22.439 Like he'd be the top tackle in the draft. 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:24.200 That's what I don't want to hear. Well, you know, 1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:26.559 if he was healthy, but he's not. Yeah, we're not 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:28.920 drafting in a world where he's healthy, So you just 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:32.679 you can't make that argument because it's not the reality. 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:37.280 YEP. Question from David, another regular listener from Madrid. He 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:40.479 mentioned that he read the breakdown I did on the 1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:43.880 Rabel and Terrell Williams defense and talking a lot about 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:46.800 four to five defenses and even fronts and four to 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.599 three and that kind of stuff, And does that change, 1:46:49.720 --> 1:46:51.800 you know, the way that they approach the draft, And 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:55.920 I definitely think it does. But I do wonder if 1:46:56.000 --> 1:46:59.479 Rabel's a good coach, and good coaches are able to adapt, right, 1:46:59.560 --> 1:47:01.960 and if he looks at it and he says, okay, well, 1:47:01.960 --> 1:47:05.080 we could try to run the four down mechanics that 1:47:05.120 --> 1:47:09.360 we ran in Tennessee. But that's a complete overhaul, like 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:13.439 defensive line linebacker room, like Jawan Bentley can't be here, 1:47:13.520 --> 1:47:17.519 Jelani Tavai can't be here, you know, Devon Godshaw can't 1:47:17.520 --> 1:47:19.880 be here, like these guys that have played a lot 1:47:19.880 --> 1:47:22.040 of snaps for you and are important players over the 1:47:22.120 --> 1:47:24.639 last couple of years. I'm not saying that they could. 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:27.160 They might, they won't take that approach, but I do 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:30.320 wonder if they kind of pivot or tweak, so they 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:33.840 don't have to completely throw everybody out at the bathwater, right, 1:47:33.840 --> 1:47:36.880 because then you're getting into a position now where you're 1:47:36.920 --> 1:47:39.680 talking about like a two or three year rebuild on 1:47:39.760 --> 1:47:42.760 the defensive side of the ball, and you're in this 1:47:42.840 --> 1:47:44.960 canoe and you have all these holes and you're taking 1:47:45.000 --> 1:47:47.479 on water, and now you're just creating more holes in 1:47:47.520 --> 1:47:49.640 the canoe by doing that. So I do think that 1:47:49.680 --> 1:47:52.880 there's a happy medium there, like a balance that they 1:47:52.880 --> 1:47:57.400 could strike. What that sort of thing? Yeah, all right, 1:47:58.000 --> 1:48:00.840 do we have a lot of lengthy questions here, but 1:48:03.000 --> 1:48:06.000 so this one of rumors, you know, free agency rumors, 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:09.720 AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, T Higgins, you know all the 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.120 name wide receivers you hear a lot about. I don't 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:16.040 think that the AJ Brown rumors are very realistic, do you. 1:48:16.360 --> 1:48:18.680 I wish I'd like them to be. I don't know 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:20.720 that they are, but I'm gonna keep my hopes up. 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:23.760 We do have some people outside of this show and 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:26.040 outside of you that are starting to talk a little 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:29.439 bit about DK Metcalf coming available. So maybe so. 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:32.000 Let me address this. Let me address this one thing 1:48:32.040 --> 1:48:33.760 on DK Metcalf. I know there was that clip he 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:37.680 was on with was it? Uh who was he on 1:48:37.720 --> 1:48:40.240 with like a couple of weeks ago, Katie Nolan, Yeah, 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:42.360 I think and was asked, you know, oh, and he 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:44.920 said like, oh, I'd never live in Massachusetts. One, it's 1:48:44.920 --> 1:48:47.519 always Rhode Island. That's not a bad commute. Two And 1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:51.599 more realistically, like guys say that if you're gonna if 1:48:51.640 --> 1:48:53.760 you know you might be negotiating a contract with the 1:48:53.760 --> 1:48:55.920 Patriots down the road, Yeah, you're not gonna say yeah, 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:59.000 I'd love to play there, right, So you know he's 1:48:59.000 --> 1:49:01.639 not gonna live here. There's a dollar amount that he'll 1:49:01.680 --> 1:49:03.519 live here. And I think it's very important for the 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:06.280 Patriots to let it be known. For Metcalf, for Brown, 1:49:06.520 --> 1:49:08.519 for any other wide receiver that's thinking that they need 1:49:08.520 --> 1:49:11.799 their next deal, there is a big fat contract waiting 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:14.000 for them if they can make their way here. I 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:16.240 think that's important to be known. I'm not ruling Dk 1:49:16.280 --> 1:49:18.479 Metcalf out because that comment he made with Katie Nolan, 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:22.759 not saying that it's not relevant. But everybody has their price, 1:49:22.960 --> 1:49:26.120 you know, for for thirty million a year, come live 1:49:26.160 --> 1:49:30.280 here for three four years. Yeah, Suddenly that conversation looks 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:30.880 a little different. 1:49:31.160 --> 1:49:33.559 So I feel as similarly with T Higgins, because I 1:49:33.560 --> 1:49:35.840 feel like a lot of people are they're not They're 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:37.519 not gonna get T Higgins. There's no way he'd pick 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:40.439 to come here if he's an unrestricted free agent. I 1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.439 feel the same way a little bit with T Higgins. 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:46.439 Where is T Higgins? Is he Jamar Chase? No, he's 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:49.040 not Jamar Chase. But the Patriots are kind of in 1:49:49.080 --> 1:49:51.120 a spot where they just have to overpay for talent 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:54.200 at this point. So I'm rolling out the red carpet 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:56.479 for T Higgins too if he's a free agent, and 1:49:57.000 --> 1:49:59.240 I'm winning the bidding war, and a lot of these 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:02.519 players like they'll just take the highest. He will take 1:50:02.520 --> 1:50:04.720 the money, They'll take the money. And I also think 1:50:04.760 --> 1:50:06.360 you're in a little bit of a positioning. You have 1:50:06.400 --> 1:50:09.200 an NFL caliber head coach. Now, you have a respected, 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:13.280 you know, high end coach and Mike Rabel, and you 1:50:13.320 --> 1:50:16.080 have a quarterback, a young quarterback, but a quarterback that 1:50:16.120 --> 1:50:18.479 I think a lot of receivers will look at and say, 1:50:19.400 --> 1:50:20.880 I don't know if we're gonna win right out of 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:23.280 the shoot. I don't know if we're gonna be you know, 1:50:23.520 --> 1:50:26.840 if we're gonna where exactly how long it's gonna take. 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:28.960 But he can get me the ball, Like, there's no 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:32.200 question about that. So if you're a receiver and you 1:50:32.280 --> 1:50:34.760 get the money, you got a quarterback that can play, 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:37.519 you have a coach that knows what he's doing. It's 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:40.839 not the greatest situation, but it's not the worst situation 1:50:40.920 --> 1:50:44.920 either anymore. I think there is right worse situations. So 1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:47.720 I think that that that hasn't going for has they 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:50.439 have that going for them? And like I said, you 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:53.599 just just throw money at them. Just just you gotta try. 1:50:54.040 --> 1:50:56.040 You gotta try. You gotta try to pitch te Higgins 1:50:56.080 --> 1:50:58.439 on coming here. All right, we'll take this last call 1:50:58.479 --> 1:51:00.680 and then we'll do some recency bias worry how about that? 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:03.479 All Right? William is in Philly? What's up, Willie? 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:04.880 Hey? 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:11.360 What's going on? How you doing? He could all right, Hey, 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:13.479 all right, I got I guess I gotta make this 1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:15.760 showing brief because I don't call like that like I 1:51:15.880 --> 1:51:18.800 used to when a So is this this a third 1:51:19.000 --> 1:51:20.479 rebuild basically or is this. 1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:24.120 Going to be the fourth? Uh? 1:51:25.400 --> 1:51:28.360 Second, it's the second? Okay? 1:51:29.200 --> 1:51:32.280 Well, because so like the Cam Newton year was a reset, 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:35.559 they tried the mac Jones rebuild. And now that like 1:51:35.640 --> 1:51:38.400 I I market by quarterbacks. I guess if you want 1:51:38.400 --> 1:51:40.720 to say it's by coaches, then he adds third, but 1:51:40.920 --> 1:51:43.160 I go by quarterbacks, so it's second. 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:48.240 Okay. The gentlemen, they gotta get they gotta get this right, seriously, 1:51:48.280 --> 1:51:51.479 like Elliot wolfs got to get this right. I mean, 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:54.599 it's you had the due threat, the dual threat quarterback. 1:51:54.680 --> 1:51:57.760 You have the coach, all right, you you let's go. 1:51:57.880 --> 1:52:00.240 You know what I'm saying, like, let's go. Let's don't 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:02.360 play a round. Know who you want going for the 1:52:02.400 --> 1:52:04.840 AC going to Drake, get your players that you're supposed 1:52:04.880 --> 1:52:07.640 to have this build this put players around Trake. Make 1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:10.080 you didn't do around Meg Jones, you really did. You 1:52:10.080 --> 1:52:12.599 played around and s going on his rookie deal. 1:52:12.880 --> 1:52:12.920 This. 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.760 Don't do that to Drake. Okay, And that's what I 1:52:15.840 --> 1:52:16.439 have to say. 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:20.720 Thanks, Thanks, William appreciated. Good to hear from you. Uh yeah, 1:52:20.720 --> 1:52:25.360 look at I don't hold what Bill Belichick did against 1:52:25.400 --> 1:52:27.639 this regime. I don't even really hold what happened last 1:52:27.680 --> 1:52:29.840 year against his dream. I know Elliot Wolf's still here. 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:32.960 I know he has a prominent title, but they're they're 1:52:33.000 --> 1:52:36.280 the Big Three, Mike Rabel, Ryan Cowden, Elliott Wolf. Two 1:52:36.360 --> 1:52:38.880 of them have the same brain, and that's Mike Rabel 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:41.599 and Ryan Cowden. And when you get to that vote 1:52:41.720 --> 1:52:44.640 and there's two against one on everything, like, who do 1:52:44.680 --> 1:52:46.880 you think is going to win the battle? Right, It's 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.240 gonna be Mike Rabel. Mike Rabel is gonna have the 1:52:49.280 --> 1:52:51.519 final say. So, I don't necessarily look at it like 1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:54.200 it's the same front office, is the same setup. I 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:57.479 think it's pretty significantly different. So there's a new rebuild. 1:52:57.520 --> 1:53:01.240 It's it's thanks they're basically on try number three. I 1:53:01.280 --> 1:53:04.000 guess try number two. I would say, really, yeah, of 1:53:04.120 --> 1:53:07.960 trying to do this whole thing all right, uh, recent bias, 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:08.360 what do you got? 1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:11.000 I got two for you there. These are depth players 1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:14.960 I'm getting really in the research now, Okay. Number one, Yeah, 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:19.680 Joseph Evans utsa geez so for all he was the 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:20.240 Shrine Bowl. 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:20.960 Yeah, for all. 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:24.719 We talk about, you know, Mason Graham and Dion Walker 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:28.040 and like these interior pressure guys, they also need to 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.760 get a true run stopping nose tackle. Doesn't need to 1:53:30.760 --> 1:53:32.479 be in the top one hundred, but they need to 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:34.919 get a guy who can stop the run. Joseph Evans, 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:38.880 big physical think he's like six five three forty from Utsa. 1:53:39.720 --> 1:53:41.560 Had an injury last year that cost the most of 1:53:41.560 --> 1:53:43.439 the season. That's kind of knocked him down boards. He's 1:53:43.439 --> 1:53:46.280 a late day three guy now. But we're gonna do that. 1:53:46.320 --> 1:53:47.920 We do this every year. We find like a handful 1:53:47.960 --> 1:53:50.400 of nose tackles we like late in the draft and 1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:52.200 just try to throw them in mock drafts to be like, 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:54.200 that guy's gonna help address the run. So I just 1:53:54.240 --> 1:53:56.479 did my first mock draft. I needed one of those guys. 1:53:56.720 --> 1:53:58.480 Joseph Evans UTSA. 1:53:58.200 --> 1:53:59.440 Okay, roadrunner. 1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:02.280 Road Runner, that's right, next one, meet me my other one. 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:03.720 And I saw some people talking about this in the 1:54:03.800 --> 1:54:08.760 chat earlier. Kicker is indeed, so I I finally went, 1:54:08.840 --> 1:54:10.000 you like, looked at all. 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:12.880 The cower in fifty five minutes into the show, Allow 1:54:13.080 --> 1:54:13.840 a kicker minute. 1:54:13.960 --> 1:54:17.840 Go ahead, Well, under Bill, the kind of role thumb 1:54:17.880 --> 1:54:20.880 was they wanted kickers with experience kicking in inclement weather, 1:54:21.160 --> 1:54:23.639 which I think is a good idea. I would hope 1:54:23.640 --> 1:54:26.920 they continue that. But I'm looking at this class. These 1:54:26.920 --> 1:54:28.759 are all guys that kicked in the South. There's really 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:32.480 not a lot of guys with the experience kickers. One 1:54:32.560 --> 1:54:34.960 is Joonahdalmas who was not good in the playoffs Softom 1:54:34.960 --> 1:54:38.840 Boys and State. If there's one guy that fits better, 1:54:38.920 --> 1:54:43.200 call Sauls. Ben Sauls from pitt He was what is it? 1:54:43.240 --> 1:54:45.880 I think five of six from fifty plus last year 1:54:45.880 --> 1:54:46.320 and a lot of that. 1:54:46.320 --> 1:54:46.640 That's it. 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:49.600 He's used to kicking the afterture at Heinz Field. 1:54:49.680 --> 1:54:52.960 Which is it's one of the toughest, if not the 1:54:53.080 --> 1:54:54.680 toughest stadium for NFL kickers. 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:56.600 I don't know that they're going to draft a kicker 1:54:56.600 --> 1:54:58.680 this year. I think there's a chance that they bring 1:54:58.760 --> 1:55:01.160 back Sly or another VAD and that guy competes with 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:04.480 Romo and maybe UDFA. Maybe Sauls is a u DFA. 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:08.400 I don't know. There's I'm okay not using a draft 1:55:08.400 --> 1:55:10.040 pick or high draft pick on a kicker this year. 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:12.840 They it's not the class to do it. But if 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.320 they want a rookie kicker, to me, Ben Sauls is 1:55:15.360 --> 1:55:15.680 the guy. 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:20.360 Ben Salts the kicker, there's your kicker. I am definitely 1:55:20.360 --> 1:55:22.920 in a much different spot in my research than you, clearly, 1:55:23.000 --> 1:55:25.200 so I'm still in the top one hundred and. 1:55:25.400 --> 1:55:27.280 Hang out real quick, because I have his numbers six 1:55:27.360 --> 1:55:29.680 of seven from fifty plus last year, twenty one of 1:55:29.720 --> 1:55:30.560 twenty four total. 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:34.560 Okay, there's your kicker minute Ben Saws. So a couple 1:55:34.640 --> 1:55:37.040 of guys that I think, uh, you know, stood out 1:55:37.080 --> 1:55:39.360 to me. One of them I think is gonna it. 1:55:39.440 --> 1:55:42.160 Surprised you. I texted you about it this morning. I 1:55:42.360 --> 1:55:46.680 was pleasantly surprised by Trey Harris from ole Mis. He 1:55:46.840 --> 1:55:49.000 not a burner, definitely not a burner. Not your guy, 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:51.720 that's not your turn receiver. He can't run. He's probably 1:55:51.720 --> 1:55:54.640 gonna run like a four five five like honestly, he's 1:55:54.680 --> 1:55:56.240 He's definitely not fast. 1:55:55.920 --> 1:55:57.960 So he has an ad isaya bond. Doesn't have an 1:55:57.960 --> 1:55:59.240 hand so he has quite. 1:55:59.040 --> 1:56:02.440 The end, but his is He's a very very good 1:56:02.520 --> 1:56:06.200 route runner, very good route runner, like deceptive good salesman, 1:56:07.320 --> 1:56:10.760 changes tempo, changes, speeds within the route, can separate at 1:56:10.800 --> 1:56:13.800 the top break down at six foot three like to 1:56:13.840 --> 1:56:15.200 be able to get in and out of a break 1:56:15.200 --> 1:56:18.360 in the three steps and gain ground out of breaks 1:56:18.400 --> 1:56:20.920 and create separation at the top of routes like that's 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:23.800 hard to do with that size. He has some catch radius, 1:56:23.800 --> 1:56:27.000 he has some gantastic catchability as well. What I what 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:29.320 I was intrigued by is that, Okay, if we're talking 1:56:29.360 --> 1:56:32.160 about third round, you know, the Atlanta pick or their 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:36.400 original third round pick, once he runs the forty fair 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:40.120 when we talk about those that range of the draft. 1:56:40.520 --> 1:56:44.920 Like his skill set, he is a typical perimeter receiver, 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:48.720 Like he is an outside X receiver. Is he the 1:56:49.120 --> 1:56:52.200 X receiver? No, but he is a X receiver. And 1:56:52.400 --> 1:56:55.760 if they are going to you know, get some other options, 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:58.880 you know, fill some other holes elsewhere on this offense 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:01.840 to be bringing dine guys like, I think he fills 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:04.839 a role on the outside. So the comp that I 1:57:04.880 --> 1:57:07.480 came up with was Brandon lafel Right, who also ran 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:10.200 like a mid four five. Wasn't a burner, but was 1:57:10.240 --> 1:57:12.440 a good route runner, was good at the catch point. 1:57:12.760 --> 1:57:14.760 I had some size to him, had some girth to 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:19.160 his body type, and that was just kind of heady, right, Like, 1:57:19.160 --> 1:57:21.720 he's just kind of witty with his route running. And 1:57:21.840 --> 1:57:26.040 I look at I look at Trey Harris's similar type 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:27.600 of player. I thought that I was going to get 1:57:27.640 --> 1:57:31.520 into Trey Harris's film and see a slow, contested catch, 1:57:31.600 --> 1:57:33.760 jump ball kind of guy and I thought that he 1:57:33.840 --> 1:57:36.040 ran routes a lot better than what I was expecting. 1:57:36.320 --> 1:57:38.120 So if we're talking about him in the third or 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:40.960 fourth round after he runs a four to six, then like, sure, 1:57:41.040 --> 1:57:43.280 I'm in. I think I could be persuaded with that. 1:57:43.320 --> 1:57:46.520 I think realistically, and this is gonna sound counterdudive. That's 1:57:46.520 --> 1:57:49.240 the highest they should be taking a receiver is like 1:57:49.440 --> 1:57:52.640 late in the third because they need to go get 1:57:52.640 --> 1:57:54.400 a veteran. They need to go get a proven guy, 1:57:54.480 --> 1:57:56.880 and they're you can only have so many bodies at 1:57:56.880 --> 1:58:01.000 the position, and these guys need to play. So you know, 1:58:01.080 --> 1:58:03.839 let's say they add t Higgins. Yeah, him and McMillan 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:05.480 aren't gonna be on the field together. Now him and 1:58:05.720 --> 1:58:09.400 Buka Mike might make sense, but yeah, you don't. There's 1:58:09.440 --> 1:58:11.720 other positions where they need premium asslets. They have Pop 1:58:11.760 --> 1:58:14.920 Douglas coming back, they have Kendrick Bord coming back like Kaishawn. 1:58:14.920 --> 1:58:17.960 But you have depth guys, yeah right, you have depth receivers. 1:58:17.960 --> 1:58:19.600 It's not like you have nothing in that room. You 1:58:19.640 --> 1:58:21.320 need somebody at the top of the depth chart. And 1:58:21.400 --> 1:58:24.680 that guy, unless you know it's Ted McMillan, who you're 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:27.200 you don't even sound convinced about would be that that 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:30.080 guy's probably not in this draft. So like a guy 1:58:30.120 --> 1:58:32.000 in that range, like I really like Kay Williams from 1:58:32.080 --> 1:58:34.200 Washington State who's probably gonna go around there maybe a 1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:37.160 little later. That's about where they should probably be taking 1:58:37.200 --> 1:58:39.800 a receiver. And in the Josh McDaniels offense, the X 1:58:39.880 --> 1:58:41.800 is not as much of a factor, so just having 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:44.160 you don't need that, maybe you don't need that dominant X. 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:46.720 If they get one, great and McDaniels will adjust, but 1:58:46.720 --> 1:58:48.840 it's not necessary like it is in some other offense. 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:50.560 So I look at it like in the top one 1:58:50.640 --> 1:58:54.400 hundred the tiers of that X prototype. So obviously Ted 1:58:54.520 --> 1:58:56.720 is the is the top tier in this draft, right, 1:58:56.800 --> 1:58:59.240 He's the top tier X. I think Jayden Higgins is 1:58:59.280 --> 1:59:01.640 tier two. I think he's the second best X receiver 1:59:01.720 --> 1:59:04.080 in this class. And that body type, you know, six ' 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:07.440 three plus, good size, good catch radious, good ability to 1:59:07.480 --> 1:59:10.120 win on the outside. And then I would put Trey 1:59:10.120 --> 1:59:12.600 Harris as the third tier, right, So we're doing those 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:16.640 like rungs the tiers of player. I liked him a 1:59:16.640 --> 1:59:18.400 lot more than I thought I was going to, so 1:59:18.480 --> 1:59:22.240 I'm kind of in on Trey Harris. Now, last thing 1:59:22.280 --> 1:59:24.240 I just look at, you know, a lot of those 1:59:24.280 --> 1:59:29.000 Day two guys for Strepo, Jalen Noel, the kid from 1:59:29.080 --> 1:59:33.840 Utahs Day. What's his name, Yeah, Jalen Royals. Those guys 1:59:33.840 --> 1:59:36.440 are slots. Like those guys are kind of pure slot 1:59:36.520 --> 1:59:40.080 maybe Z type of receivers and Royal's case. So there's 1:59:40.120 --> 1:59:43.640 not a ton I would say true ex body types 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:47.680 on Day two other than Higgins and and other than Harris, Like, 1:59:47.720 --> 1:59:49.280 those are the two guys that are kind of in 1:59:49.280 --> 1:59:51.920 that mold. So I liked them. I thought he was 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:55.160 a good player. That's it. That's all I got, all right, 1:59:55.280 --> 1:59:58.520 So that does it for today's show as a beefy show, 1:59:58.600 --> 1:59:59.960 that's it. That was a catch twenty eight. 2:00:00.040 --> 2:00:02.320 Yeah, we got you wanted the draft, you gave me the. 2:00:02.480 --> 2:00:04.280 We were in the weeds on that one, and we 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:06.360 came out of the gate hot with some of your 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:08.600 super Bowl takes, your yours. 2:00:08.640 --> 2:00:10.640 I heard too much the last few weeks and not 2:00:10.680 --> 2:00:11.200 take that victory. 2:00:11.240 --> 2:00:13.960 Listen. So we'll be back next week, do a little 2:00:13.960 --> 2:00:17.120 combine preview combines right around the corner a week from 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:20.560 Mondays almost mark sec and maybe I won't be alone 2:00:20.600 --> 2:00:23.520 maybe we'll see, we'll see. 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