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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazarn.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our barat.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: With that in mind, I want to segue to the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff a little bit and talk some Patriots. We'll

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Speaker 2: take some emails. Oh, take some.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this tremendous defense they've built.

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Speaker 2: Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I'm not that interested in The defense is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's good defense. I don't know if it' unbelievable. It's

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Speaker 2: good defense.

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Speaker 1: That front's awesome, man, come on.

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Speaker 2: It's good front.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Evan, why are you saying because you were

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Speaker 1: just gonna pass by talking about that defense last week?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't care. I still don't care.

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Speaker 1: They had one of the greatest performances in Super Bowl history. Relax,

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Speaker 1: they had one of the that was one of the

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Speaker 1: best defensive performances in recent Super Bowl history. Who else

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Speaker 2: Really? I mean the Patriots against the Rams in twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen for one, Okay, the Broncos against the Panthers twenty

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Speaker 2: fifteen better, greatest Super like, let's let's all relax. It's

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Speaker 2: just slit. That's all just.

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Speaker 1: It's a good front. It's a good front, fifty pressure

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Speaker 1: rate with no blitz. Yeah, they're good.

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Speaker 2: Okay against a calm down against a backup left tackle

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Speaker 2: in the game. It's a great want me to say.

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Speaker 1: I want you crazy, I want there were a great

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Speaker 1: want to say there was a great defense and give

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Speaker 1: them recognition instead of blowing by him like you tried

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Speaker 1: to do last week.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't like you think that this

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Speaker 2: is all premeditated, like it's not that deep.

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Speaker 1: No, I honestly totally forgot about that clip, But boy

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Speaker 1: did that sound great coming back from that game.

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Speaker 2: Got them very fired up right out of the gate

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Speaker 2: there marine with that opening. My goodness.

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Speaker 1: Not unless you just respect that defense, especially when because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about like four those like everything has

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Speaker 1: to be like, oh, this is the greatest thing of

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Speaker 2: Like everybody claims that I have this like bad recency bias.

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Speaker 2: This whole world has a terrible recency bias, Like can

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Speaker 2: we all just calm down? We did the same thing

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Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, And no, it wasn't Paul,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the Oh, it was just this chapter versus

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Speaker 2: Brady's first. No, there was genuine conversation going into the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl about whether or not the Chiefs dynasty was

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Speaker 2: better than the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Fact fact, And they got punked. So let's give credit

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Speaker 1: to the group who punked them. Two things. One, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about like three or four guys on that

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Speaker 1: defensive front is potential Patriots today, So let's let's give

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Speaker 1: them their credit.

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Speaker 2: And I have a I have a take on that.

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Speaker 2: That that okay.

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Speaker 1: And two you mentioned rec bias. We're doing recency bias

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Speaker 1: players today. Might two that are gonna get right under

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Speaker 2: We might.

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Speaker 1: I know you have one of them, very interested.

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Speaker 2: I gotta take a breath. We just started out. We

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Speaker 2: came in hot today. I don't even know why we

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Speaker 2: just did. You just got so excited over there about

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Speaker 2: your little, your little moment in the sun for defense

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Speaker 2: All Right, so we were together for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: We watched the Super Bowl together, and I will have

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Speaker 2: I will say that I didn't really feel like I

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Speaker 2: lot of fun watching the Eagles kill the Chiefs. The

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight to three reducts, like this game is over

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Speaker 2: think Patriots fans. Don't let them figure wag you into

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Speaker 2: this victory. Lap, like, take your victoria here, take it to.

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Speaker 1: What Jim Murray said on the Sports of this Week.

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Speaker 1: We had to hear this crap for the last two weeks, correct,

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Speaker 1: you know, Oh, well, you know, if you're so good

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Speaker 1: you've been. No. No, we got finger wagged for the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks, called fanboys for Oh, you don't know

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You're just emote. First of all,

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Speaker 1: of us, that's like what we grew up on. Second

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Speaker 1: of all, Yeah, when we had to hear things that

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Speaker 1: a little annoyed. And now that we've been proven right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I agree with. And then they moved the

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Speaker 2: goalpost and they changed the argument to oh, actually was

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Speaker 2: just comparing Mahomes's first seven seasons right as at seven seven,

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you were him the greatest of

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Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, And people even say, well, no, that's

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Speaker 1: not what we were saying. No, that is exactly what

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Speaker 1: When the goat conversation is over, it should have never begun.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. Having it at this stage is so

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Speaker 1: When you were all down playing the whole longevity thing,

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Speaker 1: because it matters what you do over the entirety of it.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're going crazy right now over this. This

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Speaker 2: was your station's doing. This was your stations doing, Jim Murray,

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Speaker 1: It was not just a sports time no, but.

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Speaker 2: Every single guest that they had on during Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: not have any drought like the Patriots had. The Patriots

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Speaker 2: Expecting Patrick Mahomes to rattle off another five Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: And I can't believe how much of a conversation it

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Speaker 1: And for all the renegging on the Mahomes Brady conversation,

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Speaker 1: which is absolutely appropriate. I actually think Sunday was a

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Speaker 2: I could see that.

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Speaker 1: And that's not say it wasn't a bad look for Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Is Felger called it this week the Final Exam, which

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Speaker 1: I think is true. We were allowed to grade these

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Speaker 2: So I agree, now, just to be objective a little

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Speaker 1: And you know what happened after that. A lot of

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they're right, but Bill still has

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Speaker 1: So if that was the case for Bill, this is

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Speaker 2: In our back pocket and we're just not gonna play it.

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Speaker 2: Like I maybe that is makes it a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't that make it work for Reid? He couldn't come

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we couldn't come up with that, I guess. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just think if you're gonna hold it against Reid

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Speaker 2: there were games, especially that one, where defensively the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Part? We're allowed to say that game means more in

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Speaker 1: And it's just different in the Super Bowl. And if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you really look at it, at this point,

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Speaker 2: he's been to five Super Bowls, he's won three, he's

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Speaker 2: But right now, Patrick Mahomes, the comparisons for him are

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Speaker 1: The other interesting thing is he's gonna have to do it,

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Speaker 1: Right. So, and look, Brady did it all with Bill,

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Speaker 1: Sodo Sign one Draft one attackle right, all that it's

435
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Speaker 1: not Sodo. It's Triple T this year. Trenches, trenches, trenches.

436
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Speaker 1: That is that is the theme for the off season.

437
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: Triple T trenches, trenches, trenches. We had. We went from

438
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Speaker 1: Sodo last year was QBA three. Yeah, and now it's

439
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: Triple T trenches, trenches, trenches.

440
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Speaker 2: I would like to think that we were headed towards

441
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Speaker 2: Triple T. Anyways, given the fact that they were dead

442
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 2: last and now that it's nice Sason dead last and

443
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: pass block win rate dead last and run block win rate.

444
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: They've been dead last and pass block win rate two

445
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: years in a row.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So and it's been like historically bad. It's not

447
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: just like their last the last year. Weren't they the

448
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: worst even like the last decade.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad, and I really would like to

450
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: think that it wasn't just the Super Bowl that swayed

451
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: them towards Oh now we have to address the offensive line,

452
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: like I would hope that we were already here well

453
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Speaker 2: before that point.

454
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Speaker 1: That was the philosophy in Tennessee. And they didn't ultimately

455
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Speaker 1: get there. But you look at the way they kind

456
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Speaker 1: of built it up in Tennessee. It was when I

457
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Speaker 1: say trenches, we I include linebackers in that, like front

458
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Speaker 1: seven players, Right, That's kind of how they started building

459
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Speaker 1: it in Tennessee.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm all for it, like I've been all

461
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Speaker 2: for it. The one thing that I would point at

462
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Speaker 2: though with this, with the way that they approach it,

463
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Speaker 2: is I do think accently relocate or allocation and value

464
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: and all that stuff does matter. And I think a

465
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Speaker 2: lot of people hear the word value and think of

466
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Speaker 2: Bill trading down and you know, Bill, you doing things that, oh,

467
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Speaker 2: we're gonna sign this player who's seventy five percent as

468
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Speaker 2: good as that player, but he's half the price. Like

469
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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily what I'm saying. All saying is is

470
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: you know what is the best approach in terms of

471
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Speaker 2: allocating resources based off of the board, like, for example,

472
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Speaker 2: in the draft. And we're gonna get into like the

473
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Speaker 2: tiers that I posted on Patriots dot Com this morning

474
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Speaker 2: and get into your mock draft too a little bit

475
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: as well. When you look at this draft, it's absolutely

476
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Speaker 2: loaded on the defensive line. They have defensive lineman through

477
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Speaker 2: the third and fourth round that have starter grades for

478
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Speaker 2: some people. Daniel Jeremiah CD he has twenty four starter

479
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: grades on defensive linemen in this try defensive tackles and

480
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: that's a huge number. So you have not a guy

481
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: that gives those easily either. Yeah, you have to look

482
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: at the the way you know the drop offs, right,

483
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: like where are the tiers, where are the clusters of players?

484
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: And it's an either or scenario. Would you rather a

485
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: Will Campbell at four? And then let's say, you know,

486
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: a tackle at thirty eight, you know, defensive tackle at

487
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Speaker 2: thirty eight, a pass rusher at thirty eight? Josh Sawyer

488
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: or or Jack Sawyer. I think it's like Josh Simmons

489
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: and Jack Sawyer, And for some reason, I like, I

490
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: like mix that up Jack, you know, Jack Sawyer, let's

491
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: just throw a name out there. Or would you rather

492
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: Mason Graham and Arianti Ursery?

493
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Speaker 3: Right?

494
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Speaker 2: You know, these are the conversations that are actually happening

495
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: inside a lot of buildings, maybe inside this building. So

496
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: there's that element of it. And then, like I mentioned,

497
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Speaker 2: I think Josh Sweat would be a nice pickup for

498
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Speaker 2: the Patriots, but I'm not paying Josh Sweat twenty million

499
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: dollars a year because I don't think he's a twenty

500
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: million dollar a year player. I think he's a good player.

501
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: I think he's better than what you have in that role.

502
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: But I would also say that if you're gonna do that,

503
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: like that has to come as a compliment to an

504
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: interior guy that's also going to rush the passer, because

505
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: what was happening with Josh Sweat is he's getting the

506
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: quarterback is funneled to him right, Like he's right. You know,

507
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter and Milton Williams and Nolan Smith and all

508
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: these other guys are pushing quarterbacks in his direction. Like

509
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: you have to find ways to do that too if

510
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 2: you're the Patriots. He can clean it up, like I think,

511
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: you can get the quarterback on the ground, and he

512
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: can sack the quarterback and do all those types of things.

513
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: But he, to me, is not the centerpiece of your

514
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: pass rush. He's a complimentary.

515
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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing you have to remember is like

516
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: for everything they need to do they're not gonna do

517
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: everything they need to do this offseason. They can't. It's

518
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: too much. So do you pay Josh Sweat this year

519
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: knowing okay, like, we're gonna have an opportunity to get

520
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: that other guy next year, but this is our chance

521
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: to get this guy. We're gonna get them, Like, I

522
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: would just keep that in mind, that expecting them to

523
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: fill every single hole this offseason. I wrote about this

524
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: in my mock draft, Like I was pretty liberal with

525
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: some of the additions I made in free like hypothetical

526
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: editions I made in free agency. And even still I

527
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: couldn't get everything done that I wanted to get done,

528
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: because it's just they have so many needs and they

529
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Speaker 1: have a lot of resources. They have a lot more

530
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Speaker 1: than maybe any other team in the league. Yeah, but

531
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Speaker 1: it is a finite amount. Yeah, and they needs so

532
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: much that it's there. There might be a two year

533
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: plan and we're gonna have we might have to see that.

534
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, if they add a guy like Josh Sweat

535
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Speaker 1: and then they don't, and then you know it's bar

536
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: More and then who's on the other side, Well, that

537
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: guy might be coming next year. That might be Dylan Stewart,

538
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: would be two years, but like that guy might be

539
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: down the road. But this is just how these are

540
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: the guys we can get right now. They fit into

541
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Speaker 1: our plan. We're gonna add them, and then we'll get

542
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the pieces as we go. I think

543
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Speaker 1: with Sweat in particular, it's interesting because not only is

544
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: it a clear need, even if he's not the primary guy,

545
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: he fits the tight They had a lot of success

546
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: with Harold Landry and Tennessee, who's kind of an undersized guy,

547
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: and that's the big Sweat. That's the big knock on

548
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat right now. He's maybe a little smaller than

549
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: you want that that edge rusher to be. But they

550
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: made that work with Landry into a lesser extent some

551
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: other guys. So if he fits the mold of what

552
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Speaker 1: they're looking for, even if they can't get the player

553
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: to compliment him right now, they may look get it

554
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: and say let's just get him in so we have

555
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: him because we have a chance to add the kind

556
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: of player we want to add. And then if we

557
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: don't get to address the other part until next year, well,

558
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: now we have this taken care of, so we can

559
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: put more attention on that.

560
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Speaker 2: I definitely. I like Joshua as a player. I'll radiate

561
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: rediorate what I said. I just he to me cleans

562
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: up the trash, like he's the guy that is going

563
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: to get the quarterback on the ground. He's an athletic guy,

564
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: he can rush off the edge. Obviously he's gonna have

565
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: that ability to finish plays. But I don't think that

566
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: he's the one that is really starting to play right or.

567
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: I think you may be understelling him a little bit.

568
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's like a you know, sixteen sack

569
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Speaker 1: a year guy.

570
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think. I think he's had one

571
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: double digit sack season his entire career.

572
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Speaker 1: But how much of that, too is It's so funny

573
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: because you always talk about Georgia like this, and I'm

574
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna apply it to the Eagles, which is all Georgia

575
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: guys up front. How much of that is There's only

576
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: so many sacks to go around for all of those players.

577
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Speaker 2: It could be a piece of it. I I just

578
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm underselling him. I just

579
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: I would be weary. I don't think I think a

580
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: lot of those guys, like look at look at the

581
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Patriots history of teams poaching that type of guy from

582
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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl roster thinking that they're gonna get that

583
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: type of player, that type of production, and it often

584
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: didn't go that way.

585
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Speaker 1: Well, let me flip it and it you know, different

586
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of style of play. But Matthew Judon came from

587
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: a very successful Ravens front, ye came here and was

588
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: elevated because now he was the guy.

589
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Speaker 2: I guess I just like the way I think. No, okay, no, right,

590
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: But like Judoon was already making Pro Bowls with the Ravens,

591
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: that's true. I just I think judonim is a better player.

592
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: But I look at Josh Wett and I think he's

593
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: a little bit better than than Kyle van Noy was.

594
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: But and kylevin Noy's had a great, uh kind of

595
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: resurgence here with the Ravens, by the way, So I'm

596
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: not trying to like throw shaite at Kyle van Noy.

597
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: But Kyle van Ney has this big breakout with the Patriots,

598
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: signs this huge contract with Miami in free agency, and

599
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't the guy, Like, he wasn't the same guy.

600
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: And I just worry about what this Eagles front. I

601
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: don't worry as much about it with Josh Sweat as

602
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: I do with Milton Williams. I think Milton Williams is

603
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: a really fun player. But Milton Williams, you have Jalen Carter,

604
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: you have Jordan Davis, you have a lot of guys

605
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: on the inside. He's basically a three technique in the

606
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: B gap, one on one with the guard all day long.

607
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Like that was he got that advantage. Now, if you're

608
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: gonna tell me that Christian Barmore is going to draw

609
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: these double teams like you know, like Jalen Carter did,

610
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: then sure, I mean, I guess you could make that

611
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: argument that Milton Williams is still gonna see those types

612
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: of matchups. But that, to me was a lot of

613
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: what led to Milton Williams' breakout.

614
00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: Was it?

615
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: He he was kind of like the fourth guy you

616
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: know that teams are worried.

617
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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, Milton Williams. And I'm not

618
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Speaker 1: saying there isn't a place for Milton Williams in New England.

619
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Speaker 1: There is, yeah, but for what he's gonna command, for

620
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: the role he's probably gonna play here like Josh Sweat's

621
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: the guy if you're gonna look at the Eagles for agents,

622
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: and who's most likely to come close to replicating the

623
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: impact on this defense that they had on the Eagles defense.

624
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat. That doesn't mean Milton Williams wouldn't be a

625
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: good player here, But I don't think you're gonna be

626
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: able to get that guy.

627
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

628
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Speaker 1: Not anti them signing Milton Williams because they need guys

629
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Speaker 1: up the middle. Yeah, but he's not gonna be the

630
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: player he was in phil He's gonna have a different

631
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: role here.

632
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would agree with that, and we'll see what happens.

633
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 2: I just I wouldn't I wouldn't be overly upset if

634
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: they signed any of these guys. I again, it's just

635
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: the price tag thing for me. I just would be

636
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: weary of thinking, Okay, we're just gonna plug Josh Sweat

637
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: or Milton Williams or Zach Bond into our defense and

638
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna play exactly like he did down the stretch

639
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 2: for Philadelphia. Like, I just don't know if that's going

640
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: to be the case. I mean, it's not quite like

641
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: this is the extreme extreme example, but like Cony ely right,

642
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: like as like the game of his life in the

643
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl for the Panthers and was never really heard

644
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: of from again. Do I think Milton Williams is gonna

645
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: be better than that post Super Bowl? Yeah? Probably, But

646
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, those are the types of examples. I think

647
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: van Ney is probably a better example than that one.

648
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: You know, Malcolm Butler right like, has a great run

649
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: with the Patriots, signs this big contract with Tennessee. Isn't

650
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: the same player, right? You know that happened all all

651
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: the time with the Patriots and the dynasty years. There

652
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: is another eagle though, in the trenches that I would

653
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: be interested in. I was interested in him last year,

654
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: and I wish that the Patriots had been more aggressive.

655
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm kind of in on mckaye Becton, like I would

656
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: be intrigued by McKay Beckton, probably to continue to play

657
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: him at guard, like, not at tackle. He played right

658
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: guard for Philly. I would play him on the left

659
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: side here. He played left tackle, you know, throughout his career,

660
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: so he's been on the left side before. But I

661
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: think that that's a player that had a really good year,

662
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: is hitting free agency. He'll probably get paid, but I

663
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna get like Tray Smith level money. Paid,

664
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: and that's a professional NFL caliber starting guard. And now

665
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: that's really where I'm at with the offensive line. I

666
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: bring up Tray Smith because he's also a free agent

667
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs. We'll see if they let him get

668
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: to free agency. But I look at the Commander's model

669
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more with this and say, just get

670
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: representable offensive lineman and free agency. I'm not expecting you

671
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: to go out there and sign you know, Joe Thomas,

672
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson, Zach Martin, right, just go out there and

673
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: get guys that can play in the league at the position,

674
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: and that just gives you a lot of flexibility about

675
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: what you do with everybody else. Like now, maybe Cole

676
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Strange trains full time at center right and he's the

677
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: David Andrews replacement, or you know, Leyden Robinson. You're not

678
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: putting all your eggs in Laden Robinson's basket of having

679
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: a you know, year two leap and being a starting

680
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: caliber guard in year two, because I don't think he

681
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: was a starting caliber guard as a rookie. I think

682
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: he was a rookie guard as a rookie. So if

683
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: you get one of those types of players, a Makai

684
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 2: Becton type of player. It really just helps you in

685
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. I think on the interior of

686
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Just have respectable NFL caliber starters on

687
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: the line, and then maybe you can add some of

688
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: that that ceiling in the draft, you know it. Maybe

689
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: then it becomes a day too, you know, Josh Connerley

690
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: or three, you know, those types of guys that you

691
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: can kind of add to that ceiling of the group.

692
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of Becton. I thought he had a

693
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: good year for them.

694
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: The Becdan thing interests me. Copycat league, right, Yeah, how

695
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: many teams are going to go out and try to

696
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: find these like oversized tackles that failed, yeah, and kicked

697
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: them inside the guard. Yeah, and that doesn't mean like

698
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: they can all do it, But I'm trying to think

699
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: of because these are the tackles that I always liked

700
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: that I was gravitating, right, Yeah, Darien Canard, who's already

701
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of done this, you know, if he doesn't catch

702
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: on full time as a starter in Cleveland, Dwan Jones

703
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: would be somebody I could see doing this. Maybe some

704
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: guys in this draft I thought was very telling that

705
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: Anthony Belton took some guard reps at the Senior Bowl.

706
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Given the way McKai Beckton broke out, it's gonna be

707
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: really interesting to see these teams try to find the

708
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: next Mackai Becton. But yeah, if you're the Patriots, you

709
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: want to do that, go to the original call him.

710
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was in on Beckton on exactly the contract

711
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: that he ended up signing in Philadelphia last season, last offseason,

712
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: just that flyer, right, Like, I thought that out of

713
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: all the options that they had in free agency. Now,

714
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking of him more a tackle obviously than

715
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: that card, but out of all the options that were

716
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: in the free agent market last year, at least there

717
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: was an upside there that, you know, a former first

718
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: round pick, still relatively young, really had his career derailed

719
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: with the Jets because of injuries more than any It

720
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: wasn't you know. When he was healthy, he was a

721
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: solid player in jazz in New York, right, and then

722
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: he goes to Philadelphia, goes gets with Stoutland and moves

723
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: inside and things look up for him. So I'm in

724
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: on Becton. I would be in on Sweat if I

725
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: was the Patriots. It's it's a little bit like a

726
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: t Higgins situation where you kind of have no choice

727
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: right to be in on Josh Sweat, but I'd be

728
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: wary of the money on those defenders in Philadelphia. All right,

729
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: So that that's the Super Bowl, I want to talk

730
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: a little bit draft. Now, we'll take your calls. Got

731
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: a lot of emails coming in as well. Eight five

732
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 2: five PATS five hundred is the phone number, and podcasts

733
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com is the email address. I always

734
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: want to say the old email address. I always forget.

735
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: It's the TPX hotline by the way, Okay, don't don't

736
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: say the old ones TPX hot line. But I want

737
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: to get into the tears that I posted today on

738
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com, and I want to get into your

739
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: mock draft a little bit too as well. And these

740
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: are sort of our both of our kind of first like, yeah,

741
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: stabs at this.

742
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Class, we gotta do recently buyas today too, because I

743
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: want you to talk about yours and then ones that

744
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: will annoy you.

745
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's start with the tears though, And the

746
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: way I tried to break this up was basically the

747
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: guys that I would consider drafting, sticking and picking at

748
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: four overall and just taking this guy if he's there,

749
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: and then guys I would then consider if they were

750
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: to make incremental trade downs. I'm not anticipating them the

751
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: trade down from four to twenty, right, we're.

752
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Talking about last week. You were all into that, but.

753
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about four to eight, four to nine, four

754
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: to twelve, you know, something like that, a more realistic

755
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: trade down. So I had two top tiers. Tier one

756
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: was I don't know if they still do this in

757
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: the NFL draft. They don't think so, but I'm gonna

758
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: go with the old cliche. These are the two players

759
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: that I am running the card up to the podium, right,

760
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: I am no questions asked, We're running the cart up

761
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: to the podium. If these two guys, even if they

762
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: don't do it anymore physically, you still do it. You

763
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: still write down the name and spread to the stage

764
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: to make a point about how happy you are to happen.

765
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: So my number one player in the draft is Abdual Carter.

766
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: And and just for the record, I want you to

767
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: vouch I've been here for a little while. You you

768
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: were I have.

769
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: You've been like a month ahead of everybody else, Like

770
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: when Carter was a mid first round sick. You were like,

771
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: you might be top ten, and then when he was

772
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: top ten, you were like, you might be top five.

773
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: It might be top one.

774
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: Well, and then when everybody put him top five, you

775
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: were like, you might be the best player in the draft.

776
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: You have been like a step because you started watching

777
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: college football. Crazy what happened?

778
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. It pulled me in it.

779
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: Did you know there's a whole.

780
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: Like four months because that's like that's like semi pro football,

781
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: Like that was like the top of the time.

782
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: You don't you don't, I don't.

783
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: I don't need to watch like Apple Atch and State.

784
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I want to watch, Okay, but there's like two to

785
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: three big games every week that are like playoff caliber games.

786
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: So here's my argument for Carter over Travis Hunter, which

787
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: wasn't easy. Like Travis Hunter, I think is an exceptional prospect,

788
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: so it wasn't easy. But my biggest argument, which is

789
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: sort of on your side of the street, for Carter

790
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: over Hunter, is it's just so easy to project the role,

791
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Like it's so easy to see the skill translate perfectly

792
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: into a you know, a weak side pass rusher in

793
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: the NFL, just a demon off the edge like that's

794
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: such an easy vision for this is how we're going

795
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: to use the player, Whereas with Hunter, as we know,

796
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: it's more complicated. It's a more complicated projection of exactly

797
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: how you're exactly going to move the player or use

798
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: the player at the next level. Abdul Carter is just electric.

799
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: He's in his electric through and through first step, explosiveness, bend,

800
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: turn the corner, ability, cross the face, inside the gap,

801
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's a spin or it's just an

802
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 2: inside counter crossover. He can line up in line, rush

803
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: over the guards and centers, just like the guy I'm

804
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: about to compare him to. He can play a little

805
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: bit off the ball if you really want to do

806
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: that in certain matchups by quarterbacks, sideline to sideline, range, relentless,

807
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: modor hustle. Just an excellent player. I hate comparing, you know,

808
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: I hate comparing players to like future Hall of famers

809
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: or current Hall of famers, So I always try to

810
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: put that caveat in there, But it is really the

811
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: skill set and the type of player that he is

812
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: is Micah Parsons.

813
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: So how much of the twenty twenty three stuff did

814
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: you watch from him?

815
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: I did watch a little because I wanted to see

816
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: more of his off ball line back.

817
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like the Micah Parsons comp to me,

818
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: comes with being more than a pass rusher. Yeah, he's

819
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: a guy that is going to be not just capable

820
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: in coverage, but a plus in coverage. Yeah, is gonna

821
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: be a guy that can line up in different spots.

822
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I think he is a Micah Parsons level pass rusher.

823
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't think the other stuff. He's not bad at it.

824
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: He can do it at the NFL. I don't think

825
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: he translates like Parsons does in that regard. I'm with you.

826
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I have him top of my board for the Patriots.

827
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: That if the Patriots the first overall pick penning a trade,

828
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: that is who I would take, ye Abdul Carter. I

829
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: don't think, like out of who's the best speed rusher

830
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL that's not Parsons. Yeah, I mean that

831
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: was the other Like, I just I don't know how

832
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: well that other stuff it'll transfer, but not to that

833
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: lovel that.

834
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: That was the other thing that you know reasonable. So

835
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: I called him Micah Parsons light because I hate I

836
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 2: don't want to put that on him. That he's gonna

837
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: be Micah Parsons, so I called him Micaeh Parsons Light,

838
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: And I think that what really obviously the ability to

839
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: go you know, the two way go constantly right. He

840
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: can beat you inside or he can beat you outside

841
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: around the corner. But really what stood out to me

842
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: that made him so much like Parsons is how he

843
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: can line up over the interior and rush as like

844
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: an inline rusher. That's something that I believe, you know,

845
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: separates Parsons from a lot of guys, is that Parsons

846
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: can basically rush on all five offensive linemen and with

847
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: right which is a very very rare trait. He is

848
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: not just, you know, just an example. We're just talking

849
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: about him. Like Judon was very open about the fact

850
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: that he didn't really feel comfortable doing that, Like you know,

851
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't really He tried to add that to his bag.

852
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: I think Dante high Tower tried to help him at

853
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: it to his bag. And he wasn't officially on the

854
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: staff at the time, but he studied high Tower and

855
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: he tried to add that to his back. Abdull Carter

856
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: is already doing those types of things. I think his

857
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: experience playing off the ball helps him see it through

858
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: that interior lens right, so that he can play on

859
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: the inside or he can play on the outside. And

860
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: just the last thing on him, he's just scratching the

861
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: surface because he only played one full season as a

862
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: full time edge rusher, so his instincts in his feel

863
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: for the position is only just sort of getting going right.

864
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: So once he really finds that groove of a pass

865
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: rush plan and counters and block anticipation and recognition and

866
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: instincts like, he's going to be through the roof. So

867
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: the fact that he's already this good at it, this

868
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: early in his development at that position tells you how

869
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: high that ceiling is and how good he could potentially be.

870
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always big on the position change players,

871
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and that's why because if you change positions and you

872
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: do it at a high level quickly, it shows that

873
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: you have an ability to prove your game. You take

874
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: coaching well, you learn all of that. So that is

875
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I would say Parsons' biggest enough part. Look at that,

876
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: I would say Carter's biggest question is also arguably his

877
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: biggest strength. With any play of the recently changed positions,

878
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna just have questions about the technical side and

879
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: the development, but which are there for him. But the

880
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: fact that he developed as quickly as he did in

881
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: one year is also a plus in that it shows

882
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: that he's a quick learner.

883
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 2: So Abdul Carter number one, number two in this tier,

884
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: we're still in the run the card up to the

885
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: podium tier Travis Hunter. So what I think is so

886
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: fun about Travis Hunter is that there's nobody that you

887
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: talk to that has any question about his talent and

888
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: or his ability as a prospect. But everybody kind of

889
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: has a different take on how they'd use him. So

890
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you on this. There has to be organizational

891
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: symmetry of this is how we're going to use him

892
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: before you turn the card in, Like, he has to

893
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: be on board with it. You have to be on

894
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: word with it from the top down in the organization, GM, coach, whatever.

895
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: You can't get into it and just say we're just

896
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: gonna grab the talent and figure it out later. I

897
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: think there has to be a plan in mind. That

898
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: being said, I will continue to stress and continue to

899
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: pound the table. I think he's a better wide receiver.

900
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a more valuable wide receiver, maybe not

901
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: a better wise he is a more valuable wide receiver.

902
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: That it's the it's the would you rather have an

903
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: A plus corner or an A minus receiver?

904
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: And I'm taking the receiver. And I just think, you know,

905
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: Dante Scarneki did the interview. I think it was with

906
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: Chris Price with the Globe, right, and that quote is

907
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: kind of making the rounds of either draft guys that

908
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: sack the quarterback or score touchdowns. Well, if you put

909
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: him at corner, like unless he's picked six ing, he

910
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: ain't scoring very many touchdowns.

911
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: Right, so you want you want to put him on

912
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: the edge.

913
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: I exactly, I want to rush in the passer. He'd

914
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: probably bad at it when you watch when you watch

915
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: his game at wide receiver, and I kind of am

916
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: proud of myself for this comm I see a lot

917
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: of DeVante Smith in his game, Okay, because he's he's

918
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: got length, but he's he's slender, right, he doesn't have

919
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: the build, but he's he's got length and he's got size,

920
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: and he's really a great contested catch player for his size.

921
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: Especially he's a sixty five percent contested catch rate guy.

922
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Last year at Colorado, Ted McMillan at six foot five,

923
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten pounds was a sixty percent catch

924
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: rate guy. So but he beat Hunter a couple of times.

925
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, like with like one handed grabs. But so yeah,

926
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Like my point being, he's a much better contested catch

927
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: player than you would think. Uh. And I would also

928
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: say that his ability and his explosiveness with the ball

929
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: in his hands is electric like that that's a he's

930
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: a game breaking player. And if I'm an NFL team,

931
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: that's just that's still the golden goose to me, especially

932
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, but just in general, Like you want

933
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: guys that are going to change the game, and I

934
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: think that he has that ability to really create big

935
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: plays all over the field from the wide receiver position.

936
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: And if you put him at corner the comparison that

937
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: I drew at corner with Sauce Gardner, I think you'd

938
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: be a really good corner. I think he's more of

939
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: his own corner than he is a man to man

940
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: corner because his instincts in his clicking clothes and read

941
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: and react on the ball is just next level, Like

942
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: his ability to see the ball get into passing lanes,

943
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: jump routes like intercept the football. He's a ballhawk like that,

944
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: that's his best trade as a cornerback. I think he

945
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: can play Manton Man. I'm not saying he's incapable of

946
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: playing Manton Man, but I do like that idea if

947
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna be in this more Tennessee type of scheme,

948
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: like if you played Christian Gonzales on the boundary full time,

949
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: whereby in a lot of formations and looks, you're probably

950
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: gonna be man to man on the weak side, and

951
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: then Travis Hunter can kind of just roam on the

952
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: other side of the field. That's also very enticely like,

953
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: that's a very enticing duo. But I definitely feel like

954
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: if I was an NFL team, the value that he

955
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: brings to the team at wide receiver is just significantly

956
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: more at corner. And then you just hope that you

957
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: can develop some of the real details of the position

958
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: at wide receiver. Sure, all right, so here's my next tier. Yeah,

959
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: this is I would take him at four, but I'm

960
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: not doing cartwheels like I would do with the top two, right, Yeah,

961
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: but I'd still take him at four without a trade down.

962
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 2: So this is where I think I am different from

963
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: some people, maybe not you, but other people. I have

964
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: Will Campbell as the next player on this list at

965
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: number three. Pro comparison Ryan Ramchick, who also had issues

966
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: with length coming out thirty three inch arms.

967
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: But he stayed at tackle.

968
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: He stayed at tackle and was very very good for

969
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: the Saints for a long time. You know. Now he's

970
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: kind of getting up there in age and injuries and such,

971
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: but a good player for the Rams for a very

972
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: long time at left tackle or Saints. Excuse me, don't

973
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: know why I said Rams. The biggest thing that I

974
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: see with Campbell is that I think his footwork and

975
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: his base and his balance and his PAS sets is

976
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: good enough that he's going to be able to overcome

977
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: the arm leg. Now, if it checks in at the

978
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: combine and he's got thirty two inch arms and they're

979
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: really below threshold, then we're gonna have to change the

980
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: conversation a little bit. But as long as we're in

981
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: the range of thirty three inches, when I watch him play,

982
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: I see a stout, you know, crisp moving tackle and

983
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: pass protection that has excellent feet, excellent ability to mirror

984
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: guys on island. I just don't necessarily see the length

985
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: being the major issue. Now. He does drift at times

986
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: in his pas sets, and he'll overcompensate and kind of

987
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: commit to the outside and open up that inside counter

988
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: that's spin to the you know, the inside pathway to

989
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 2: the quarterback. That's something that they're gonna have to work

990
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: with him on technically, but it's.

991
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: Also something where if you have a three hundred and

992
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: sixty pound left guard and Mkay Beckton's standing there, he

993
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: can take up a lot of room. Yeah, it's gonna

994
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: help you out.

995
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: I don't I don't look at anything on Will Campbell's

996
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: tape and say, you know, that's a deal breaker at tackle,

997
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: and given where the Patriots are on the offensive line,

998
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: giving where again, or you know, looking at the entire landscape,

999
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: giving what the options are for them to fill that

1000
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: need at left tackle, I think that Will Campbell is

1001
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: the best option on whether it's free agency or the draft. Like,

1002
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: I'm taking Will Campbell over Cam Robinson. I'm taking Will

1003
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: Campbell over Alaric Jackson. I'm taking Will Campbell over Calvin Banks.

1004
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm taking all across.

1005
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: If if he gets searched, I don't think he's going

1006
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: to Ronnie Stanley.

1007
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I probably take Ronnie Stanley in that scenario and then

1008
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: draft somebody on Day two with upside. But at the

1009
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: same time, I could be talking into either way with

1010
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley's agent Price.

1011
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to ask you that question.

1012
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: But I think that looking at the realistic options for

1013
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: left tackle, the cleanest way is sometimes just straight the

1014
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: straight line right, and the easiest projection of you know,

1015
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: the best player to fill that need is Will Campbell,

1016
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: and I can't I can't get too far away from that,

1017
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: Like you have to respect.

1018
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: How many years are gonna kick it down the road.

1019
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: Like if you don't like Will Campbell, fine, what are

1020
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: you doing at tackle? Ronnie Stanley's not gonna be We

1021
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be available. If you want to say,

1022
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: you take a Layeric Jackson over him, maybe there's no

1023
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: other better tackle. They can't kick this thing down the

1024
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: road another year, especially not now that they actually have

1025
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: a freaking quarterback. So yeah, I'm with you. So you

1026
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't take Campbell at four last week?

1027
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: Though? What changed? Did I say that? Yeah?

1028
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: We had that whole argument about the trading down thing,

1029
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, I'm not comfortable with

1030
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: him at four, but I'm comfortable with him at six

1031
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1032
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: And sometimes, like I say these things and then you

1033
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: think about it some more and then you put it

1034
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: pen to paper and your mind changes. I like I,

1035
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 2: Like I said, I, the main thing that I can't

1036
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: get around is if it's not Will Campbell left tackle,

1037
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: then what is it right? And And that that, to

1038
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: me is the scarier it's scarier right to just go

1039
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: with and I know they can't, they're gonna get a

1040
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: better player than choose the cor four, but to go

1041
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: at the mystery box of like whatever you're gonna find

1042
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: in free agency or whatever you're gonna find on Day

1043
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: two of the draft. And it was one thing when

1044
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: you and I think Doug Moron's a good coach, maybe

1045
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: Doug Moroon can coach up a Day two pick at

1046
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: left tackle. But it was one thing when you had

1047
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: Dante Scarnekia turning every Sebastian Volmer and Marcus Cannon into

1048
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: starting caliber tackles, Like you don't have that luxury anymore.

1049
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: And it's also like the whole argument about oh, well,

1050
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: you're overdrafting him, like people need to get over that.

1051
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: They just you're not large league.

1052
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: Right, So you look at Daniel Jeremiah, look at Dan Brugler,

1053
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: like they all have him in the top ten. It's

1054
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: not like you're drafting a guy that's projected, Oh.

1055
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: Well, he should have gone six, and you're taking for

1056
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: he's the number one player in the draft, assuming the

1057
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: arms checkout. Yeah, number one player in the draft at

1058
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: a premium position, out a position you need. It's not

1059
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: an overdraft. Well, if you take a tackle top five,

1060
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: he should be your franchise guy. If he's the top

1061
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: ten left tackle in the league. Yeah, makes you know,

1062
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: maybe one or two All Pro teams, couple of Pro Bowls.

1063
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: But like for a decade, you have that position where

1064
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: you can trust that guy, set it and forget it.

1065
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: He's not Joe Thomas, he's not Pina Seol, but just

1066
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: a set it and forget it left tackle for ten years.

1067
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: That's not an overdraft to me, not in this class,

1068
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: not for where the team thinks they are. If Joe

1069
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: Walt was in this draft and they took him over Jolt,

1070
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: yeah that would be an overdraft. But Joe Walt's not

1071
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: in this class. Pine Soool's not in this class. If

1072
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: you get it ten years, set it and forget it

1073
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: left tackle, which we both think he can be.

1074
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you.

1075
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Get a ten year set it and forget it left tackle.

1076
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Fourth overall, Yeah, it's it's maybe not n A plus, it's

1077
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: a solid B plus. And you know what sometimes you got.

1078
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: I would have absolutely been happy with the B plus.

1079
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta hit that.

1080
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: I struggled with seven or eight.

1081
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: Right, like you gotta hit it down the fairway sometimes.

1082
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: Another good I would you know you hit how many

1083
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: shots in her own of the woods? You put one

1084
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards dead? Miiddle, you're kind of gonna

1085
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: feel good about that.

1086
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know that from experience,

1087
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: but I'll take your word for it.

1088
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: Uh see, if you started golfing, you could actually make

1089
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: more of these analogies.

1090
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: Oh MANU. But that That's where I'm at with Will

1091
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: Campbell right now. Again, I don't think his arm length

1092
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: is his biggest issue. I think his biggest issue is

1093
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: hitting his landmarks and drifting in his PAS sets. And

1094
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: I think that that's coachable. I think that's correctable for

1095
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: him to stick and tackle. And and That's where I'm

1096
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: at with Bill Campbell. You know, other guys like Ramcheck

1097
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: is the one that I picked just because I thought

1098
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: their skill sets were similar. But like Matt Light, Taylor Decker,

1099
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: you know, there's plenty of guys that played at Obviously,

1100
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: Rashaun Slater is like the poster child for this right now.

1101
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to use him, because it's

1102
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: kind of like low hanging fruit. But all those things,

1103
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: all those guys thirty three thirty three and a half

1104
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: inch arms, had length issues, had concerns about it coming

1105
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: out of in as prospects, and we're all perfectly fine

1106
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: in the league. Even Joe Thomas wasn't like the longest

1107
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: guy in the world, and he is obviously one of

1108
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 2: the best left tackles of all time. So there's plenty

1109
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: of evidence that this has worked out for other guys.

1110
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: I still go back. If you could take Rashawn Slater

1111
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: fourth overall in this draft, would you do it?

1112
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1113
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: And I mean I don't remember. I didn't study the

1114
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: line as closely that year, Like how would you compare

1115
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: Campbell to Slater? And I know I just did that

1116
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: whole rant about right, don't compare players between drafts, but

1117
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: as comparable players, how would you compare Campbell as a

1118
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: prospect to Slater.

1119
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: Campbell's nastier. Campbell has a little bit more of a

1120
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: mean finish to his game. Slater is more athletic. Okay,

1121
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: So I think theered different players, which is why I

1122
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to necessarily use them as the cop But

1123
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: I Rashaan Slater, I think fell a little bit in

1124
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: the draft because the threshold was really thirty four inches, right.

1125
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: No, I remember doing this with Slavery that year. Everybody

1126
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: was yelling at us to use a guard.

1127
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, he changed the game a little

1128
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: bit in that respect. Last thing on Campbell, when I

1129
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: was talking to Ryan Cowden at the Senior Bowl, the

1130
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: Patriots assistant GM. Essentially, the thing that I asked him was,

1131
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, described to me a Rabel player. And he

1132
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: obviously wasn't going to get into the weeds of you know,

1133
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: all the details and all the nuances, but the quote

1134
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: that he gave me was that Mike Rabel, the number

1135
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: one thing that he looks for him player is effort

1136
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 2: and Finishill Campbell that that is something that he wants

1137
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: to instill in the program in Foxborough is effort and

1138
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: finish and uh will Campbell is all of that, right Like.

1139
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: He is a high effort, finishing, maueling offensive tackle who

1140
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: also has extremely high end football character, right like, really

1141
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: a projected decade long captain in the league. And as

1142
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: much as you want traits and as much as you

1143
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: want upside, and as much as you want all the

1144
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: fancy stuff in this draft as well, I do think

1145
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: they're trying to build a culture here, and they're trying

1146
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: to build a program here, and we talk about that

1147
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: a lot on this show. And Will Campbell is a

1148
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: program builder, like that is a culture building pick.

1149
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: If there are two players in this there are two

1150
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: players atop this draft, I think that are Drake May.

1151
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to say you start a culture with

1152
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: because Drake May is a culture guy. To yeah, Drake

1153
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: May is a program guy. It's Will Campbell, and it's

1154
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter.

1155
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1156
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: You go look at what Travis Hunter did at Colorado

1157
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: with some of his teammates and things like that, and

1158
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: the way Dion used him to sell that program. I

1159
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: think that translates to the NFL. And you look at

1160
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: the way Will Campbell's teammates talk about him and the

1161
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: responsibilities he took on starting as a true freshman at

1162
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: LSU and the SEC. Those are guys that know what

1163
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: it's about to not just be a part of a

1164
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: football team, but be the face of a football team.

1165
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Abdol Carter can't do that. I'm not

1166
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: saying Mason Graham can't do that. I'm not saying Ted

1167
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: McMillan can't do that. But they haven't. And you know,

1168
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: like there's really good examples of Travis Hunter and Will

1169
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: Campbell being guy you know, captains, leaders, outwards facing, front facing,

1170
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: dealing with the media, things like that. There are not

1171
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of tackles in college Hunters different. He's been

1172
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: a superstar since he was like seventeen years old. Number

1173
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: one recruiting country, right, But the tackles don't talk to

1174
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: the media in college football. Campbell did. Will Campbell's a

1175
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: guy that you can build this thing around. Travis Hunter's

1176
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: a guy that you can build this thing around. That's

1177
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: not the be all end all. That doesn't mean you

1178
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: can't draft the other guys, but that certainly should hold

1179
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: some weight.

1180
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: So the last guy I have in this tier, which

1181
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: again is I take him at four without a trade down,

1182
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: and this is.

1183
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: You want to Will breaking news here first, little Patriots,

1184
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: just breaking news. We got Matt Patricia Yes has been

1185
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: hired as the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Oh wow, so.

1186
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: Were's there's some Ohio State connections there. Certainly we have

1187
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: Bill and Ryan Day and Chip Kelly and Vrabel. Yeah.

1188
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: I can I give you now my number one wish

1189
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: list item for the twenty twenty five college football season.

1190
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: Sure Ohio State UNC playoff game.

1191
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

1192
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: Need oh come on, you don't want to see that.

1193
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: I need it? No, need it, need it? Or you

1194
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: know what whatever bowl game it's supposed to be thrown

1195
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: away played at the Fenway Bowl. That is a new

1196
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: England game.

1197
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the program now. Okay, you're good,

1198
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: you're good. You got your map.

1199
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: I just want to site. That was Pete Damilsinger finalizing

1200
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: a deal.

1201
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: Okay, so my last guy in this tier and then

1202
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: I'll get to the next tiers and we'll go a

1203
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: little bit faster. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I will go

1204
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: a little bit faster because we're taking a lot of

1205
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: time on this. This is no trade down. There's no

1206
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: other option. You have to make a pick, and for

1207
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: some reason, the first three guys I said, are no

1208
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: longer on the board. I don't know if that scenario

1209
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: whatever happened. I mean to make a trade now, but

1210
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: you can't trade down I would. I think Mason Graham's

1211
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: talent wise is worth the fourth overall pick. I just

1212
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: I am still in the school thought of positional value

1213
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: with Mason Graham. It's why I don't have him above

1214
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: Will Campbell. He is a very very good pocket disruptor.

1215
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: He is a pressured guy, a high motor guy, a

1216
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: hard charging defensive lineman. He's very violent with his hands.

1217
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of really good moves, you know,

1218
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: swim move, arm over, two hands, wipe, gets into the creases,

1219
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: gets into the gaps, quickly, explodes off the ball like

1220
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: he is a high energy impact pass rusher. He's not

1221
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: a finisher though he's a disruptor. He's not a finisher.

1222
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: He's a disruptor. And I do have maybe more concerns

1223
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 2: than other people do that I've seen with his run

1224
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: defense and his film against the run gets a little

1225
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: high with his pads. He doesn't get great arm extension,

1226
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have great length to get great arm extension, and

1227
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: doesn't absorb double teams. Consistently all the time. So my

1228
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: fear with him, with Mason Graham is, you know, he

1229
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: gets into the league and because of his body type

1230
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: and because of some of the deficiencies that he has,

1231
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: that he's going to be a little bit easy to

1232
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: move in the run game, which would be my one

1233
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: concern with him being this three down force, right, this

1234
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: three down player. Now projecting him as a three down player,

1235
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: I think that the comp I see a lot of

1236
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: is Christian Wilkins, right, like that sort of guy that

1237
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: is a little bit stouter, you know, a little bit

1238
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: shorter in terms of his arm length and his size,

1239
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: but it's just really quick into gaps and really good

1240
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: at defeating blocks with his hands and things like that.

1241
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: So I like Mason Graham. I don't love Mason Graham

1242
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: as much as everybody else. I do like him, and

1243
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: I would take him if I had to write, if

1244
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 2: there was no other option there, I would take him.

1245
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: But I definitely worry about positional value, three down value

1246
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: run defense, and more importantly we talked about it earlier.

1247
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: Is it a huge drop off from Mason Graham to

1248
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: what you could get at the top of the second

1249
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: round at the same position. You know, is it a

1250
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: huge drop off in this draft and do you need

1251
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: that player, Like, do you need that player to be

1252
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: a centerpiece player on the interior defensive line or do

1253
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: you have that guy already in like a Christian Barmore

1254
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: for example. And you're really just looking for the Milton

1255
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: Williams like, you're just looking for the complimentary piece next

1256
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: to Barmore. If you told me that Barmore is never

1257
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: going to play football again because of the blood clot situation,

1258
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: and Okay, maybe I change my tune a little bit

1259
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: on Mason Graham, but I still don't. I still think

1260
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: it's a luxury pick for a team that's not in

1261
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: luxury mode.

1262
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, and the Barmore thing certainly

1263
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: impacts it. But to me, I don't think he'd be

1264
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: a bad pick. I don't think he would be a

1265
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: bad pick. Yeah, but I don't think he's the best

1266
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: pick they could make.

1267
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way put it.

1268
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: So you know, he's a good player, he'll be a fit.

1269
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: You talk about needing somebody to kind of set things

1270
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: up for a guy like Josh Sweat, Maybe he becomes

1271
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: that guy. But he's not a bad pick, But I

1272
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: don't think. I think getting a state and forget it

1273
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: left tackle. I think getting a playmaker off the edge,

1274
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: like a true playmaker off the edge. I think those

1275
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: are going to impact the football team more than a

1276
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: guy like Mason Graham will.

1277
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great way.

1278
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: Or trading back like I. So this is where I

1279
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: differ from you. Again, I don't think Graham would be

1280
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: a bad pick. Pick it for I'm seriously taking calls

1281
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: at that point.

1282
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: This is like the calls are crap.

1283
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: And also, are you the same for Campbell because you

1284
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: had them in the same tier? Are they really two

1285
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: different tiers?

1286
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: No, I'd say I'm probably in the same boat. Like

1287
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: I'd still take calls if it's Campbell, you know, but

1288
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: I think that i'd be a little bit more. I'd

1289
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: be a little bit more gung ho about taking Campbell,

1290
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: Like I'd probably pound the table a little bit.

1291
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's different for me. Like Campbell,

1292
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: I would take it for and feel good about it.

1293
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: I'd still take calls obviously, but I you know, I

1294
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of have to be wooed a little bit ors

1295
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: with Mason Graham if it's like all right, I'm gonna

1296
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: have Mason Graham or I can have you know, I

1297
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: don't want to spoiler alert, but if it's Mason Graham

1298
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: or Tyler Warren and an extra second round pick, yeah,

1299
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, an extra top fifty pick, I think I'd

1300
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: rather have Warren in the extra top fifty pick than

1301
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: just Mason Graham. Will Campbell. I might need a little

1302
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: bit more. I might need like a future first and

1303
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: which I think you could get and I wouldn't lose

1304
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: sleep over doing that, but I need a little more

1305
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: to trade out of Will Campbell.

1306
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: Last thing on Mason Graham. If you put Mason Graham

1307
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: on the defensive line, and you put him next to

1308
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: key On White, and you put him next to bar More,

1309
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: and then you sign a guy like Josh Swede who

1310
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: could come in and actually get the quarterback on the.

1311
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Ground, A defensive lines now fixed.

1312
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: You have a great defensive line. But I don't think

1313
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: Mason Graham is the finishing piece, right like, I don't

1314
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: think he's the centerpiece of what you're doing. I think

1315
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: he's a really good disruptor. I think he's a really

1316
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: good pocket pusher. But you are going to have to

1317
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: have somebody on the edge that's going to come in

1318
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,479
Speaker 2: and get double digit sacks and put the quarterback down.

1319
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna be Mason Graham. So to me,

1320
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, to go back to the scar thing like

1321
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: the guys that sack the quarterback and guys that score touchdowns.

1322
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: I would not put Mason Graham in the sack the

1323
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: quarterback category. Disrupt the quarterback, affect the quarterback, certainly, sack

1324
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback, I don't know. So that's where I'm at

1325
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: with Mason Graham. This next tier, my third tier, is

1326
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: a bigger tier. This is like kind of a chunk

1327
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: of this. Oh yeah, it's a good plug, good plug.

1328
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: This tier is trade down tier, and I'm talking about

1329
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: realistic trade downs, not four to twenty like we're like.

1330
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: Forded, like you were so excited about last week.

1331
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, for to like twelve is probably the

1332
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: lowest I know, right, you know in that category for

1333
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: these types of players. So here's where I had them

1334
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: ranked within the tier at number five on my board.

1335
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren from Penn State. I love Tyler Warren. If

1336
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots are in a different spot and they had

1337
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: the trenches and everything kind of short up a little

1338
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: bit more and you were able to take more of

1339
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: a luxury item. Tyler Warren is a lot of fun

1340
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: baby gronk, Like he's the closest thing I've seen to

1341
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: Gronk since we started doing this. He's not gronk, but

1342
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: six six two sixty and moves well at that size.

1343
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: Is gronkish right like that. There's not that many guys

1344
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: that fill out the suit like that, that move like

1345
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren does.

1346
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested to see what he measures in at.

1347
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't look to.

1348
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: Sixty, that's what he's listed as.

1349
01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be interested.

1350
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: So he obviously has the ability to win above the

1351
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: rim in the red zone. Us His body uses frame,

1352
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: uses catch radius, versatility through the roof, like you can

1353
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: line this guy up anywhere, even in the backfield. Played

1354
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: wildcat quarterback for Penn State, and when you really watch

1355
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: that Penn State offense, like he kind of carried that offense,

1356
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: you know he was he was the guy in that offense.

1357
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: And I look at Drake May, I look at Josh McDaniels.

1358
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, Drake May I think has already shown a

1359
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: pension for liking tight ends and throwing the ball to

1360
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: tight ends. I think he'd be comfortable with his tight

1361
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: end being the number one targeted player and the offense hunter.

1362
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: Henry probably was at number one targeted player last year

1363
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: and h and Josh mcdaniels's experience with maximizing a tight

1364
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: end with Warren skillset. So is he a watered down gronk. Yeah, absolutely,

1365
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: everybody's watered down gronk in that body.

1366
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be the biggest tight the best tight

1367
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: end of all times, correct.

1368
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: But he's gonna be a very good player. The one

1369
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: knock on him that I would give other than like

1370
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: some technical stuff in blocking gets a little high, gets

1371
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: pushed around a little, but sometimes in line blocking he's older.

1372
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: He's an older prospect and he's gonna be twenty four

1373
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: or twenty five as a rookie. I've sort of gone

1374
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: back and forth of how much I care about that.

1375
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: But when you really think about tight ends, like you

1376
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: do have to consider how how much you know? How

1377
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: long are you really gonna have the player for now?

1378
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: I always feel like that's putting the car before the horse,

1379
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: to worry about, oh, are you gonna get your eight

1380
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: R nine year ten if you're at the point where

1381
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: you want them at your eight r nine year ten,

1382
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: you're in pretty good shape. So I'm not too concerned

1383
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: about the age. But that is a factor that you

1384
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: have to put out there. But Tyler Warren was a

1385
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: lot of fun. He was a really fun study.

1386
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: I think the bigger factor for me with Tyler Warren,

1387
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: and I really like Tyler Warren too. I think he's

1388
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: the best tight end in this class is what is like,

1389
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: what's the plan? And I'm not saying there isn't one,

1390
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can essentially bench Hunter Henry.

1391
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: And that's not saying don't take this great player because

1392
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: you have a thirty year old tight end, But if

1393
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: you're trying to like make things work for Drake May,

1394
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: if you draft Tyler Warren, you our best offense is

1395
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: a lot of twelve. And we know Josh McDaniels can

1396
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: do that. But you kind of it almost like Travis Hunter,

1397
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: where it's all right, we're gonna draft Traf, we're gonna

1398
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: draft Tyler Warren and see what happens. Right, You got

1399
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: to kind of know and if you have an inkling

1400
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: that he could be the guy you're playing in free

1401
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: agency sort of needs to reflect a team that's gonna

1402
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: play a lot of twelve Yeah, so that's the one

1403
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: thing for me with Warren. And I know people get

1404
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: annoyed when you talk about fits with the first round pick,

1405
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: like just draft the best player available. You can't draft

1406
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: a guy that you're not gonna be able to use.

1407
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: So I just think that what makes me feel better

1408
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: about that because I hear what you're saying.

1409
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not anti that. Like Josh McDaniels has had a

1410
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: ton of success running offenses that are very heavy in

1411
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: twelve personnel. They chased that for years, yeah, and they

1412
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: can never quite get it. They went through like.

1413
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: That the turns out and nobody is what was his name, Chandler,

1414
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: Scott Chandler.

1415
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: They went through the Scott Chandler's of the world. Marty

1416
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: Bennett worked for a little bit of time. I wish

1417
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: he'd been here longer. One of my favorite Patriots. But

1418
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: like we know Josh daniels can do it. But that's

1419
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: something that like you kind of have to there's more

1420
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: to it than that, and you have to be ready

1421
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: to go in head first and say we're going to

1422
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: be a twelve personnel offense.

1423
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: So the thing that makes me feel a little bit

1424
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: better about it is that I do think Tyler Warren

1425
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: is so versatile that he kind of blurs the lines

1426
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: between eleven and twelve. Now I'm not saying that he's

1427
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: going to play outside receiver at a high volume, but like,

1428
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: you can play him in the slot, you can play

1429
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: him off the line of screamage, you can play him

1430
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. Like, there's different ways that you

1431
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: can move him around in the formation and get different

1432
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: looks out of him. So he's a really versatile, you know,

1433
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: chess piece type of player. So it's not like you

1434
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: have two y tight ends and you're running double y

1435
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: offense all the time. You do have that ability to

1436
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: move him around.

1437
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: So you've talked a lot in the past and in

1438
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: a different context, but you've talked about, well, they need

1439
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: to bring more of what the Bills are doing to

1440
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: help Drake mey. Yeah, could he be your Dalton Kincaid

1441
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: And then after Henry's Dawson.

1442
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: On Yeah, well we might get to Dalton Kincaid here

1443
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: in a second, but yeah, yeah that I could.

1444
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: There's a better com for Dalton. Yeah, Okay, I mean

1445
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: I think this.

1446
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: Guy's better than Dalton Kinkaid, but there's a better player

1447
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 2: that is.

1448
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: But like I'm with you, Like if they were to

1449
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: draft Tyler Warren, that's what I would be pointing at,

1450
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: Like what the Bills are doing right, Like, that's kind

1451
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: of what I would want them to try to do.

1452
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So the next player here on my list, I

1453
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: had to put him on because the guy's just a

1454
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: straight up ballers is Jalen Walker from Georgia linebacker. I

1455
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: don't think that the Patriots are gonna be in a

1456
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 2: position where Jalen Walker makes a whole lot of sense

1457
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: for them. I know a lot of people really love

1458
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: him as an edge rusher. I think that he's like

1459
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: a Jamie Collins Dante high Tower Girodmeo type where he's

1460
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: playing on and off the line of scrimmage. I think

1461
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to play a little bit of both,

1462
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 2: like a hybrid type of role. I don't know if

1463
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: the Patriots are necessarily in a spot where that's the

1464
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: player that you're gonna take. But Jalen Walker is a

1465
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: dude like that guy is definitely a really good football

1466
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 2: player and he fits sort of that pass Pats linebacker,

1467
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: a role of you can play from really all three

1468
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: spots right off ball, linebacker, in line rusher, edge rush, sure,

1469
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: and just use him in different ways and things like that.

1470
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: But I actually think he's a little bit more athletic

1471
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: than like a high tower in space. So the combat

1472
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: I used, Actually the guy would just talking about is

1473
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 2: Zach Bond, who can play on an off line of scrimmage,

1474
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: cover a lot of ground. Jalen Walker is a big

1475
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: time player. He's gonna be a great football player somewhere.

1476
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it necessarily makes sense for

1477
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots, but he has to be on the list

1478
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: if you're gonna talk about this list. The next guy

1479
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: that I'm really serious about, though, who I just absolutely

1480
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 2: was blown away by his Colston Lovelin with Michigan, who

1481
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 2: I feel like is now everybody is in love. Like

1482
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: Dame Bruger had him at eleven and his top one hundred,

1483
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: his latest top one hundred. Jeremiah I think had him

1484
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: at like seven, like really high, like top ten player.

1485
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: Here's the top tight end coming into the season. And

1486
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: then Warren had the year he had, But Loveland was

1487
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: the guy that was getting all the hype really until

1488
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: like November.

1489
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a couple of different combs for him. I

1490
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: settled on brock Bauer's light because I think that that's

1491
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 2: just the easiest one to for everybody to kind of understand.

1492
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: There's a little Sam Laport, There's a little Sam laporta

1493
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: there right, there's a little Dalton kink there. You know.

1494
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: He is a receiving tight end. He is not a

1495
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: necessarily a big time blocker, although I think he can

1496
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: hold his own in certain matchups if you're going to

1497
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: have him block on the perimeter and and block defensive backs,

1498
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: like he's not going to dig out defensive ends, Like

1499
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: that's just not going to be his game at two

1500
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: forty five. But he is explosive, Like he is an

1501
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: absolute explosive, big time playmaker at the receiver position, can

1502
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: play out of the slot, can run routes in line.

1503
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: You know, he gets into the scene in a hurry,

1504
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 2: He gets over the top of the second level in

1505
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: a hurry, really good at the top of the route.

1506
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: Explosive player all over the film. He was awesome, Like

1507
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: he was really fun to watch. A lot of the

1508
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: same traits I would say as like a Bowers or

1509
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: a Laporta or some of these tight ends that are

1510
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: coming up.

1511
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he got lost in the wash during

1512
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: the season because Michigan really only threw the ball like

1513
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: ten times a game. Yeah, so he didn't have a

1514
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: ton of any Like you said, he's not a plus blocker,

1515
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: so he didn't have a ton of opportunities to show

1516
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: what he can do. But now I think when go

1517
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: back and they look like they're rediscovering them, there is

1518
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: a projection because like you said, there's some really impressive

1519
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: stuff on that tape. It's not a lot of tape. Yeah, Like,

1520
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: how how long did it take you to watch him

1521
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: versus watching Tyler Warren? Right? One guy was the centerpiece

1522
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: of the offense.

1523
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: Yep.

1524
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: That like that, that entire Penn State offense. They had

1525
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren Adam lining up, a tight end, receiver, a

1526
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: running back, quarterback, He lined up at center and caught

1527
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: a touchdown on the same play, which was awesome. I

1528
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: know you hated that, but it was sick.

1529
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. It supports my argument now, so I'm

1530
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: with you.

1531
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: You hated it. Whereas Colston Loveland, they probably should have

1532
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: used him more, but they couldn't because they just didn't

1533
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: have the quarterback play to really have any semblance of

1534
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: a pass game. They had to run the ball a ton.

1535
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: That meant that, you know, they had to kind of

1536
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: hide him as a blocker and things like that. There's

1537
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: tremendous flashes, but you have to project some sort of

1538
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: consistency because he was never given and I'm honest saying

1539
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: he can't be consistent. He was never given an opportunity

1540
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: to play in a volume role. And if you're drafting

1541
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: a tight end as high as Coulston, Loveland is probably

1542
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna go, Yeah, it's gonna be in a volume rold

1543
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: brock Bauers had what one hundred something targets last year. Yeah,

1544
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: Colson Lovelin had nothing close to that in college. So

1545
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: again it doesn't mean he can't do it, but you

1546
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: have to be really confident in your evaluation because you

1547
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen him apples to apples in the role you're

1548
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: probably drafting him into.

1549
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: So the thing that you know in terms of role

1550
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: that really intrigues me about him is that I would

1551
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: say his best route is like the quick post or

1552
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: the skinny post right where he just runs right behind

1553
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 2: the linebackers or runs away from a defender and off coverage.

1554
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 2: And when you really think about Josh McDaniels' offense, like

1555
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 2: those bang play action plays where you're pulling guards and

1556
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: leading with the full back and you're getting those linebackers

1557
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: to fall step up the field, and then Colson Lovelin

1558
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: is just gonna burst right by that second level and

1559
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna be gone in a blur. He could really

1560
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: really eat on those types of schemes, you know, those

1561
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley, you know, pull the backside guard, make it

1562
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: look like power, and then have the linebacker come down

1563
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you have a four or

1564
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: five tight end at two forty five coming across the field. Like,

1565
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of guys that are gonna be

1566
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: able to recover and win that foot race. So I

1567
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: look at Closon Lovelin in a gap scheme and a

1568
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: downhill rush offense with a quarterback that's operating in the

1569
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: gun and running gun action and RPO and all these

1570
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: different type of things. I look at him as just

1571
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: a really great fit in that.

1572
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this with him and Warren right,

1573
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: you talked about with Mason Graham, and I agree with you,

1574
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: this is an unbelievable defensive tackle class, and part of

1575
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: the pause with Mason Graham is like, you're not worried

1576
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: about going to that next level because you're still going

1577
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: to get a playmaker at that next level. Would you

1578
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: feel the same about Warren or Lovelan because this is

1579
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: a really good tight end class too.

1580
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't because the need for that centerpiece playmaker

1581
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: for the Patriots is so high, it's so important, and

1582
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: I feel like those two guys can do that and

1583
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: the next guy, I do have the receiver on my

1584
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: listen next, Okay, so don't worry. Okay, But then I

1585
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: feel like these two guys, these two guys, to me,

1586
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 2: are the two best playmakers in the class on offense

1587
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 2: other side, outside of Travis Hunter, who is this own unicorn.

1588
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: There's one more agree with me.

1589
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: I that isn't a devalued position. Uh That that to

1590
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: me is they're the two best pass catchers in this

1591
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: draft and so that that that's important, especially if you

1592
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: can find a way to hit the trenches in different ways.

1593
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: I would agree with that these are the two best.

1594
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, we we kind of put this disclaimer out

1595
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: a couple months ago that we have. Travis Hunter is

1596
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: the number one Travis Hunter in draft when we rank

1597
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: the positions. He's kind of his own thing. I would

1598
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: agree with you the two best pass catchers in the

1599
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: TEW draft. I'm with you on that.

1600
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: Okay. So at number eight, finally, I know a lot

1601
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: of people, I'm sure, where's Ted McMillan. All right, here's

1602
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. And for the record, because I'm for the

1603
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 2: cause and because I'm trying to be open minded, I

1604
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: actually went back and watched Ted McMillan a second time

1605
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 2: because the first time I was kind of underwhelmed.

1606
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: As you know, well it depends which games you watch

1607
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: with him.

1608
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: The second time I watched him again. I watched them again,

1609
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: and I again, I tried, I try, and I see

1610
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: a vision for him. But what I keep coming back

1611
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: to is the cop which I just think is is

1612
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: just a one for one, maybe the perfect comp for

1613
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 2: any player in this draft. To me, he's just Drake London, right,

1614
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 2: He's Drake London two point zero. Now, Drake London is

1615
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: a thousand yard receiver with good quarterback play in Atlanta.

1616
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: So it's not like he's a terrible player, right, He's

1617
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: a very good player. But if Drake London is your

1618
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: number one receiver, then you kind of have like a

1619
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: low end wide receiver one as your top dog, right Robinson, Yeah, okay, fine,

1620
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: you need a complimentary piece at least you need either

1621
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: another one B or you need like the stud. And

1622
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: he became, you know, the Jamar Chase, and he becomes

1623
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: the T Higgins. If he's T Higgins to Jamar Chase

1624
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: for you, he has a really good T Higgins right,

1625
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 2: Like T Higgins, I don't think is a bad comp

1626
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: honestly from a player standpoint, but if he's your Jamar Chase,

1627
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: I still think that you are behind the eight ball

1628
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: a little bit. The other thing I would say with Ted,

1629
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: and I'll get to the positives. If you were to

1630
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: put him in last year's wide receiver class.

1631
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: Don't do it. You know how I hate this.

1632
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: If you were to put him into last year's wide

1633
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: receiver class, I think he's wide receiver five last year.

1634
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: It's unfair though, because like, yes, this year's a bad

1635
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver class. Last year was generational.

1636
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: So my point by bringing that up though, isn't so

1637
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: much like I hear what you're saying and I get

1638
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: what you're saying. My point of bringing that up, though,

1639
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: is that what you're getting at is that you're you're

1640
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 2: gonna be reaching on this player at four, Like you're

1641
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: just you are like this this player at four is

1642
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: a reach. You know, you are really talking about him

1643
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: probably comfortably in a regular draft class, being drafted someplace

1644
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: in the teams right or maybe early twenties, and now

1645
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 2: the Patriots because they have this glaring need at wide

1646
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: receiver and he does fill the suit, You're you're gonna

1647
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: just draft him at four because of the w R

1648
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: next to his name, And that's risky, Like, that's a

1649
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: huge risk. That's how teams bust on that position in

1650
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: particular throughout the course of history in the draft is

1651
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: by reaching on that position. The things I like about

1652
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: Tet McMillan, he's a little bit misunderstood. I don't think

1653
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 2: he's a contested catch artist. I think he's a very

1654
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: good number.

1655
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: People see the size and they project him as he's

1656
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: not bad at the catch point.

1657
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad.

1658
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: But his what makes him different than these other like

1659
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: six five, two hundred and fifteen pound receivers is he

1660
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: makes plays with bal in his hands. Yeah, he's he's

1661
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: a thread at all three levels because he can great

1662
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: after the catch. That's what makes him special. That he

1663
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: is as good at the contested catch point as you

1664
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: would expect a six to five receiver to be. He's

1665
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: not Rainy Moss. Yeah, but he's not completely inefty either.

1666
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: He's solid. He's fine that that alone. Yeah, he'd be

1667
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: like a Day two pick. It's what he does after

1668
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: the catch that makes them special. My biggest concern about

1669
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: Tet McMillan, though, is the consistency. Fifty percent of his

1670
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: receiving yards last year came in four games, including the

1671
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: what three hundred something against a really bad New Mexico.

1672
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: Team, which a tape I have not watched and will

1673
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: not watch.

1674
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: I understand that what you really got to do is

1675
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: go watch his best game in college I think is

1676
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: Colorado last year because he took it to Travis Hunter.

1677
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that the only guy that's had better

1678
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: the only guy that had better success against Hunter as

1679
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: a corner is Ao Manor from Stanford. And that was

1680
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: really all in one half. And I don't know if

1681
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: you've watched that one.

1682
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting to You're gonna have a lot.

1683
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: Of fun with that tape. But like McMillan's interviews are

1684
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: gonna be big because is that lack of that Arizona

1685
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: team is not good? They were not good. Fafita is

1686
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: a fine college quarterback. I don't think he's much an

1687
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: NFL prospect. He's a fine college quarterback. They really didn't

1688
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: have anything else there. So was it an issue of

1689
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: teams just completely blanking him and taking away he was

1690
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: getting the you know, the Calvin Johnson treatment. That picture

1691
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: with the two defenders right there, Like, how did he

1692
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: see it? I think that's gonna be very telling to

1693
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: hear his side of why were these games different than

1694
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: these games?

1695
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 4: So?

1696
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: I think he's a decent separator for his size. I

1697
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 2: think he's a decent route runner. He's a sudden movere.

1698
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: He can stop and start quickly and create separation. I

1699
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: think his best route is probably like a comeback or

1700
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,919
Speaker 2: a nine stop where he just you know, vertically releases

1701
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 2: and then stops down at the top of the route

1702
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 2: and creates that separation. He's got a good feel for

1703
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: zone over the middle of the field. Like, I think

1704
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: he's a good route runner for his size at six

1705
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: foot five, you know, he's a very good change of

1706
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: direction talent type of player. So don't get it twisted

1707
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: to think that this guy is like, you know, some

1708
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: jump ball artist and that's how he made all of

1709
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: his yards. I don't see him that way. My concern

1710
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: with him is that he's not He really isn't a burner,

1711
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: and he doesn't really change gears very well either. He's

1712
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 2: kind of a glider and more of like that sort

1713
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: of type of player.

1714
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: The way I've said it, he's not slow, yeah, but

1715
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't call him fast either, like he is functional speech.

1716
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: So I don't think he's pulling away from anybody, is

1717
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: my point. So when you talk about third level separation

1718
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: and vertical separation and all that kind of stuff, that

1719
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: stuff becomes important because you need the defensive back. I

1720
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: respect the fact that he can go by you. Yeah,

1721
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: And if you don't respect that, then all these comebacks

1722
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: and nine stops and in cuts and all that kind

1723
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: of stuff that's all over his tape, that's good. Like

1724
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: now you're just gonna get those suffocated, Like those are

1725
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: just gonna be the routes everybody covers.

1726
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: Well. He also didn't face press in college, so there's

1727
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: an adjustment.

1728
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I'm not like a hard no on

1729
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. It has to come in a trade down

1730
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 2: for me. And like I said, I think that he's

1731
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 2: best suited as a robin in an NFL offense to

1732
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: a true batman. And if they signed to Higgins and

1733
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: it really doesn't make any sense. You know, it has

1734
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 2: to be somebody that's gonna play the Z the slot,

1735
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, play inside off of him playing on the outside.

1736
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: You know. Last thing I would say maybe one of

1737
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: his better attributes in terms of if you want really

1738
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: to get that vertical field stretching ability, he can run

1739
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: routes from the slot and he does it pretty well.

1740
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: He can play all three positions, which is kind of

1741
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,440
Speaker 1: cool for a guy that side. You can't see that.

1742
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: That's where he's different than Drake Lindon. That is maybe

1743
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Yeah, that's pretty rare for guy

1744
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: that side.

1745
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: He's not a first level separator there, Like he's not

1746
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna run juke routs and things like that. But if

1747
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: you want him to run the seam, if you want

1748
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: him to split cover two, like, he can get up

1749
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: the field that way. And if you get him on

1750
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: some linebackers and safeties in the middle of the field.

1751
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: Then he can win those foot and this thing.

1752
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: Is like, you can put him even if you get

1753
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: him on a slower corner, yeah, just or a smaller

1754
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: corner because of the stride length. If you get him,

1755
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: you don't need him to run a dig to separate

1756
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: at the first level because he's so big and he

1757
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: has those long legs. If you get him on a drag,

1758
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: he'll pull away from the corner and boom. Now he

1759
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: used the ball with room and run.

1760
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah again, I fine player, wouldn't take him at

1761
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: four and would be eyes wide open to the fact

1762
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: that he's probably not the answer. He's he's an answer,

1763
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: but he's probably not the answer. All right, So let's

1764
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 2: fly through the rest of these because I don't want

1765
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: to take you one.

1766
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: More guy on the list. No no, no, no, no,

1767
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: no no. You had one more guy on that list.

1768
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah too, Oh you too, I remember one, oh at

1769
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 2: the very bottom. Yeah, well that's different. Those are my

1770
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: honorable mentions.

1771
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, honorable mentions.

1772
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: I'll get to all out of your moment with that.

1773
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: So my next guy on the list was Will Johnson

1774
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 2: out the cornerback from Michigan who I thought was was good.

1775
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: I think is his own corner. I think he plays

1776
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 2: best in cover two, where as a cloud corner on

1777
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: the flats and you know, ballhawking and off coverage where

1778
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: he can pedal and read and react and see things

1779
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 2: in front of him if he presses. I do worry

1780
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 2: about his long speed and his ability to stay connected

1781
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 2: down the field. But the corner that I compared him

1782
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: to his Christian ben for with Buffalo, who was one

1783
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: of the best zone corners in the league. Now i'd

1784
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: see a little bit of that, see a little bit

1785
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 2: of like prime Josh Norman to his game, you know,

1786
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: like I think those guys are good comps. His tape

1787
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: against Roma Dunsay and the National Championship game was it

1788
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: was a good film for him. Had a couple of penalties,

1789
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: but I thought overall was pretty solid against the Dunsa

1790
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: So I did go back and watch that one. Like

1791
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 2: Will Johnson, but not in love with him to the

1792
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: point where I'm taking him over positions that the Patriots

1793
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 2: need a little bit more than corner. But he's in

1794
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: this conversation, in this trade down scenario, I'm.

1795
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 1: Good Will Johnson. They have Christian Zalez. There's good cornerback.

1796
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: He's not a bad position. Free agency, Like you need

1797
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: a guy that can be a complimentary guy. I'm good.

1798
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't need them to take Will Johnson fair enough.

1799
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: Last one Kelvin Banks. He came in at number ten

1800
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: on this list again trade down scenario tier here with

1801
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: with Kelvin Banks. I think the biggest thing that I

1802
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: worry about with Kelvin Banks is when he has to redirect,

1803
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: when he has to change directions and he has to

1804
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: mirror guys, he tends to lose control and he gets

1805
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: a little bit wild with his technique when those things happen,

1806
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: and that leads to some really ugly quick losses, right,

1807
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: which is the ones that you don't want to see

1808
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 2: on film. But he's a really good run blocker. I

1809
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: think he's already really good in that way. And he's

1810
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: pretty good at protecting his edge, like I think he's

1811
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: gonna make you take the long way home to the quarterback.

1812
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: He's very good at, you know, playing inside out and

1813
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: protecting the inside and making the guy go around the edge,

1814
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: which is what you want and from an offensive lineman.

1815
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: So I actually look at him and I compared him

1816
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 2: to Darnell right with Chicago. You know, just a really

1817
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: good run blocker who can pass protect. And I actually

1818
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 2: wonder if he's best stuited to play right tackle in

1819
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 2: the league, especially in this type of system. If he's

1820
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: here with the Patriots with Josh McDaniels, if he plays

1821
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 2: on the right side, and their gap heavy again and

1822
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 2: they're doubling and they're pulling guards and all that good stuff,

1823
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, full backs and things. Him next to Mike Godwen,

1824
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: it would move some people like that would be a

1825
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: very very good right side. I don't know if he

1826
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: has the body control and the talent to play on

1827
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: an island at left tackle in the league. I don't

1828
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: know if I would put him there, but I do

1829
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 2: think that he's In this conversation.

1830
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: I think you're under selling him a little bit. I

1831
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: think his athleticism. People are underrating his athleticism and that

1832
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: makes up for some of the other stuff he's also.

1833
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Josh McDaniels. We know they're gonna be

1834
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: heavy with like screens and things like that. You get

1835
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: him out in front, leading on a toss or leading

1836
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: on a screen. Yeah, he's a menace. So I think

1837
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: he has franchise tackle upside. Now there's a way to

1838
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, Like Campbell is more ready plug and play.

1839
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: I think Banks is more of a project looking closer

1840
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: at him than maybe I thought during the season, But

1841
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: I think he can be a set it and forget

1842
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 1: it tackle in the NFL.

1843
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. I don't know if it will be

1844
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: on the on the left side, but I agree that

1845
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 2: he's a starting caliber tackle in the league. All right,

1846
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: So my honorable mentions here MIKEL Williams from Georgia. Another

1847
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: guy that if they were in a different position and

1848
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: they could take the ball of clay and work with

1849
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: him and refine his skill set and all that kind

1850
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: of stuff, Like he's gonna be a good player down

1851
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 2: the road. It just might take a year or two

1852
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: to get him there. He'd be fun. I really liked

1853
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: armand Mambu from Missouri, but he has a little bit

1854
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: too much Isaiah Winn vibes to me like short with

1855
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: short arms and like doesn't really have the measurables to

1856
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: play tackle in the NFL.

1857
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't play tackle, he's a right tackle.

1858
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: He's not like you're not considering him on the left.

1859
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great feet for Membo. Josh Simmons, just a

1860
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: little blurb on him that I wrote up in this

1861
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: just if he was healthy, we'd be having a very

1862
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 2: different conversation about Josh Simmons. But we'll never know. We'll

1863
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: never know if he would have performed well in the

1864
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: College Football Playoff. We never will never know what his

1865
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: numbers and what his film would have looked like if

1866
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 2: he had stayed healthy throughout the entire year. And that

1867
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: injury torn Butteler tendon is the same injury that Cole

1868
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Strange had that keep him kept him off the field

1869
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 2: for a calendar year. So he suffered that injury in

1870
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: November against Oregon. That means that you're looking at Thanksgiving

1871
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: of his rookie year best case scenario, So most likely

1872
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: you're looking at a red shirt rookie season for Josh Lichens.

1873
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: They can't afford to have their first round pick.

1874
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: Not play no, And he's a great candidate for like

1875
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: the Niners, the Chiefs, like teams like that that are

1876
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: are looking for the upside and can have and take

1877
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 2: those chances. You know at the back end of the.

1878
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Page, and look, it didn't work out. I've compared him

1879
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: to Dominique Easley. The Patriots tried that, however, many years ago,

1880
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: because they were in the position to do it. It didn't

1881
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: work out like that. You want a guy with that

1882
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: talent later in the draft. That's how you get them.

1883
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: Malcolm Mitch would be another one.

1884
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Last one.

1885
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Do it? Say it?

1886
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: Ashton Denty from Boise State my comp for Ashton Dent.

1887
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: I saw this. This was interesting.

1888
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Maurice Jones Drew.

1889
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a little more powerful than that, but

1890
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: it's not a bad comp.

1891
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: Low center of gravity, explosive, big playmaker from everywhere. He's

1892
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: got that trunk right, He's got that that thick lower

1893
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 2: body to run through on tackles.

1894
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: The Tampa running backer we call the muscle Hamster, Doug Martin.

1895
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: Doug Martin's much better.

1896
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: He's much better, but he's got that. He's the build.

1897
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: I love mj D. Shout out mj D. I think

1898
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: I think he's got a little bit of MGD in

1899
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: his game. I wish he was better as a receiver,

1900
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: Like if he was if he was a true pass

1901
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: catching back also, then like you could kind of get

1902
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: that Alvin Kamara vibe did you watch.

1903
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: And he didn't watch any of twenty twenty three, did

1904
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you No? They used him a lot more in the

1905
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: pass game last year.

1906
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: I wish I was a better receiver.

1907
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: You think he's not Kamara, He's not CMC, but he's

1908
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: a better receiver.

1909
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Right if he was with his contact balance and explosiveness

1910
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: He's got like he's like the ball carrying running version

1911
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 2: of Alvin Kamara, right, but he's not the receiver that

1912
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara was. If he was both of those things together,

1913
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: then like he would be in Matt McCaffrey. Like take

1914
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: him in the top ten, and he's.

1915
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: Not a liability as a receiver though, Like he can

1916
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: be a factor. You're not gonna build your pass game

1917
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: around him, but he can. I'm trying to think of,

1918
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: like who the comp would be for that, who like

1919
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: wasn't a primary receiving back, but like factored in to

1920
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the pass get factors in the pass catching game. I'll

1921
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: think about it.

1922
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: So by the last line of this entire post, if

1923
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 2: they take out Ashton Gentry in the first round with

1924
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: their first pick, I will be on the side of

1925
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: the Tobin Bridge and you will have to talk me

1926
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: off the ledge so I'm not for it. I'm but

1927
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 2: I had to mention his name.

1928
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: What I always say, Yeah, I have to talk about it.

1929
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: You talked about it. I'm happy.

1930
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Did you like my tears?

1931
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I did? Those are good. I'm trying to think of

1932
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: a running back now that's like that kind of Joe

1933
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: Mixon would be a good one. We're like they would

1934
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: throw the ball at Joe Mixon a couple times again,

1935
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: like didn't build anything around it, both in Houston and

1936
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. But like you weren't taking Joe Mixon out

1937
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 1: of the game to throw the football.

1938
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: That's fair.

1939
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: Fair.

1940
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: That's where I think is. So he's not as big.

1941
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: He's not as big, but like that kind of role

1942
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: in the passing game.

1943
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 2: He's not as big as this guy either, But like,

1944
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: is he like a souped up Ormandra Stevenson.

1945
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, he's a better blocker, and Steevens is a

1946
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: good block That's the other thing. He's a really good

1947
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: pass blocker.

1948
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: You're trying to sell it. It's not working.

1949
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's a good player. He's gonna be

1950
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: a Cowboy. That's like the most obvious pick Ever's.

1951
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,720
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1952
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1953
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1955
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1956
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1957
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1960
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1961
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1965
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1966
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1967
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1968
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: England Patriots. All Right, I'm very sorry that we've been

1969
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 2: keeping all these people on hold and all the emails.

1970
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 2: So the last thirty minutes is all going to be

1971
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: about you, guys. We got emails, we got calls. We're

1972
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: going to start with Patty and Agoam. If he's still there,

1973
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: what's up, Patty?

1974
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:42,520
Speaker 5: I'm still here, guys going on not much. A few questions.

1975
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 5: I'll run through them quickly because you know, I don't

1976
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 5: want to keep the other calls on the line. But

1977
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 5: question one top the draft, do the Titans really run

1978
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 5: it back with Billy Jeans and take Abdul Carter Travis Hunter.

1979
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think those two things are mutually exclude. I

1980
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 1: think they could go get another quarterback in the veteran

1981
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 1: market or draft, you know, Jalen Milroe or Will Howard

1982
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: on day two Kyle McCord uh to compete with Levis. Basically,

1983
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: do I always go back to what the Panthers didn't

1984
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: in I think it's two thousand and nine where they

1985
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: drafted Jimmy Clausen in the second round. It might have

1986
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: been twenty ten or on day two, and it was

1987
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of like a well, if he works, great and

1988
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: if not, we'll have a high pick next you and

1989
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: we'll actually get the guy and they get cammed, So

1990
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,919
Speaker 1: I there's a chance that they have a new quarterback

1991
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: and don't take a quarterback first.

1992
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 5: Overall, all right, Question two to deez, do you guys

1993
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 5: get to seed? I don't know if it's ruder or boiter,

1994
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 5: but Chad Ruter's three round mac on NFL dot Com.

1995
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: I didn't see enough. But Chad's a good good I read.

1996
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 2: What did he say?

1997
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: Oh? Did he have gent six?

1998
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 5: I don't know if he HADDENTI six. I just paid attention,

1999
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 5: paid attention to the Patriots picks. So he had Carter

2000
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 5: going four, He had Arianta Ers going with their second

2001
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 5: round pick, and then Isaiah Bond and Henderson running back

2002
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 5: from Ohio State, which I wouldn't be.

2003
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 2: That would be awesome, decent draft.

2004
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: I would take that. I mean, I don't love Bond,

2005
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: he wouldn't love Henderson. So we get some good debate,

2006
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: but like overall, that'd be a pretty solid draft.

2007
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that one. Why don't you you're a

2008
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 2: hater on Bond?

2009
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Last question.

2010
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 5: Before I get to the last question that I'll take

2011
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 5: off there, I wanted to know what you guys thought

2012
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 5: of this comparison too, because I see a lot of

2013
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 5: like Mike Parsons comparisons with Abdul Carter, and he's been

2014
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 5: my draft crush since, like I think the Wisconsin and

2015
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 5: Ohio State back to back games, I was like, who

2016
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 5: the hell is this guy? This guy is a freaking animal.

2017
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 5: I think the more apt comparison with him that I see,

2018
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 5: he's the same size, Dame build and everything is von

2019
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 5: Miller because von Miller wasn't great against the run coming

2020
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 5: out of college, but he was an absolute freaking animal

2021
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 5: coming off the edge. And the last thing, I'll take

2022
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 5: it off there, guys, what would you What do you

2023
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 5: guys think or how do you feel if you watched

2024
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 5: anything on him? About Malachi Carter? I think the safety

2025
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 5: out of Alabama, who who's kind of like a proof

2026
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 5: free safety. And if I got his name wrong, I'm sorry,

2027
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 5: but I'll take that off there.

2028
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks bag, thanks for the call. Appreciate you waiting.

2029
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't mind the von Miller comp I hold von

2030
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: Miller in really high regard, so I try not to

2031
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,759
Speaker 2: throw that that comp around for a lot of people.

2032
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: But I guess Michael Parsons is also a pretty dark,

2033
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 2: good player.

2034
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:38,440
Speaker 1: I would say von Miller was much more technically advanced.

2035
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: He had a deeper bag, he was more refined. If

2036
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a ceiling, like where does

2037
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: Carter get to? Yeah, that's probably like if he maxes out. Yeah,

2038
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: I think he's probably more Von Miller than Michael Parsons.

2039
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: But it's not about him as a prospect. Like again,

2040
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: Carter just really started playing this position full time last year.

2041
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: You can see that there is still learning, active learning

2042
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: going on. Anything on your Malachi Starks is gonna be

2043
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick. I don't think they need to

2044
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: take a safety that high. I think that's who he

2045
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: asked me.

2046
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, he has Malachi Moore more from my.

2047
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not bad. I really like I'm kind of

2048
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: familiar with him, Like he's fine. I don't know that

2049
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be If they draft a free safety, I

2050
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: want them to get a guy that's going to be

2051
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: able to be on the field sixty seventy percent of

2052
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: the time. I really like Andrew mccooba from Texas. Yeah,

2053
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: he he his range is rare, he can cover so

2054
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: much ground and the ball skills need work, but I

2055
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: think that's coachable but right now he can get to

2056
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: the spot, which I think is the harder ask. So

2057
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: he's a you know, late day two pick. I like him.

2058
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I liked Billy Bowman at the Senior ball. Moore is

2059
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of in that same group. He wouldn't be a

2060
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: bad pick, but there's other players I like better for

2061
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: that role.

2062
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, all right.

2063
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Also just that that maculate it. That would be so

2064
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: perfect for this show. It's not gonna happen because Carter's.

2065
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: That's a decent lock, but I'm cool with it.

2066
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: We get two players that we both love and Phil

2067
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: needs and all that, and then we get Isaiah Bond

2068
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: versus Travion Henderson. The debates we're going to have on

2069
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: those two would be outstanding because I get my bully

2070
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: ball running back and you get your fast and nothing

2071
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: else receiver.

2072
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you're under selling one thing about Isaiah

2073
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: Bond fast and answer the question even fast, And you

2074
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 2: were right that he's just a speedster. You're right about that,

2075
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: but he has built a lot different than like a

2076
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 2: taekwondo okay, but like he's not he's not a string bean,

2077
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: like he fast and fast?

2078
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: That okay, So you still can't answer that question that

2079
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: I have a need for. When's the next Olympics. That's

2080
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: where you go.

2081
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: If you're just listening and you played, if you played

2082
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 2: receiver and he started at Alabama and Texas and like

2083
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 2: you're doing something.

2084
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: We want Matthew Golden. If we're getting Texas receiver.

2085
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: All right, we might talk about Matthew Golden here soon.

2086
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 2: All right, Brad is in Ohio? What's up? Brad?

2087
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Hey?

2088
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 2: How you guys doing good?

2089
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 6: Good?

2090
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to agree with Patty about the the

2091
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 3: running back from Ohio State, the Henderson guy. Yep, yeah,

2092
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 3: I'm you know. I'm a Michigan fan, so I do

2093
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 3: agree he would be a great fit.

2094
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, who would you rather have

2095
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Henderson or quin Shawn Jenkins.

2096
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,799
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Dave Donovan Edwards.

2097
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: That's a true Michigan fan right there. There you go.

2098
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, no, I'm just saying I'm him and

2099
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 3: a Patriots Josh McDaniel of all fans. I just think

2100
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 3: that would really fit, guys, I don't, I really did.

2101
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 3: I think Donovan will fit. There's a running back from

2102
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 3: Iowa too, I think coming out Johnson and then I'm

2103
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 3: just gonna spit out of a couple of names real quick,

2104
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 3: because I know there's other callers. That way we can

2105
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 3: get through these, because you guys can give me an idea.

2106
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 3: Is this safety from Ohio State coming out Caleb Downs?

2107
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: No, No, he is at the top of my board

2108
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six. He's so freaking.

2109
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 3: Good, outstanding. Yeah, the guy's gonna be a breath. Coach

2110
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 3: to Loveland is gonna him and Drake May together would

2111
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 3: be a problem for any defense. I agree, you know,

2112
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 3: Coach to Loveland against with J. J. McCarthy, that's when

2113
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 3: he was actually ever ever able to thrive. And even

2114
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 3: then they held him back. They didn't really let, like

2115
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: you said, allow him to, you know, to kind of

2116
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 3: transcend into what he should be. And then uh, Josiah

2117
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 3: Stewart in the fourth rounds of that possible.

2118
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah. I thinks for the call, Brad, we

2119
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: just want to get to everybody. I Jasiah Stewart. I

2120
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a top one hundred packs.

2121
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I think so.

2122
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 2: But he's he's a lot of fun. Uh, He's that

2123
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 2: type of guy you're gonna get a lot because he

2124
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: went to Michigan and He's kind of a situational pass rusher,

2125
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 2: like you're gonna hear a lot of But I think

2126
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 2: he's his first step is better than was. I think

2127
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 2: he's a little bit more explosive off the ball, uh

2128
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 2: than Josh was. But he he's a lot of fun

2129
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: and he was kind of that guy that got a

2130
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 2: lot of those cleanup sacks and stuff with you know

2131
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 2: Graham and the other guys who's the was it Grant

2132
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 2: right the DT in the middle and there from Michigan.

2133
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I really liked him at the Senior Bowl.

2134
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: Watched his tape and saw a lot of the same things.

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01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 2: Go watch Josiah Stewart against USC last year. Just took

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01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 2: those tackles to freaking lunch, like eight quarterback pressures, two sacks, stripsack.

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01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 2: He was all over the quarterback in that game. So

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01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 2: he's a lot of fun. He's not going to set

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01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 2: the edge, like he's not Afroony Jennings. He's not going

2140
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: to set the edge. But if you want somebody to

2141
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 2: rush the quarterback and sack the quarterback on third down,

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01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 2: then Josiah Stewart can definitely do that. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: one of our favorites, Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

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01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I had a good one for you.

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Speaker 6: So I am of the thing of moving down between

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01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 6: seven to ten because I think you can add a

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01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 6: second round pick, and by doing that, you can pick

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01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 6: up Kyler Warren. Because we've seen what Drake May. He

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01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 6: likes to throw at a big tight end and it's

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01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 6: just what Josh McDaniels. It's gonna be a great fit,

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01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 6: I really believe. And then with that additional second round pick,

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01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 6: you compare that with your third round pick and move

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01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 6: back up at the U into the back of the

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01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 6: first round and maybe get another tackle. If you don't

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01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 6: do that free agency, it's just want to get you

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01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 6: guys to take on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate the idea. Then I don't hate the

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01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: idea of moving down to moving back up, whether it's

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01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: for Warren, whether it's for somebody else. I like Warren,

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01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: and he laid out that's the argument Tyler Warren, Drake

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01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: May likes throwing a tight ends. Josh McDaniels is very

2162
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: experienced with two tight end sets, with maximizing guys like that,

2163
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: Like you want to talk about, I've shot down a

2164
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: lot of guys because well, least he's gonna work here.

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01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: He's a good player, But is he gonna work here? Yeah,

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01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren's the opposite. I think I feel better about

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01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,879
Speaker 1: him than I would on a neutral you know, discussing

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01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: this neutrally league wide because there is such a clear

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01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: path for Tyler Warren in New England. I know it

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01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: sounded before like I was shooting it down saying, well,

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna run a lot of at twelve. No,

2172
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: like you're gonna run a lot at twelve with Josh McDaniels.

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01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: It makes sense. I just want to go back to

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01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: last caller too, because he asked about a couple other players. Yeah,

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01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson is basically your day two Ashon genty, bigger, back, physical,

2176
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 1: but has some bursts. He's a good player, Probably gonna

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01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: go higher in the patch to take a back. And

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01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: then he mentioned Donovan Edwards, who I took in my

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01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: last mock draft for the Patriots on ninety five at

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01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 1: sports sub dot com. He's exactly right, Donovan Edwards in

2181
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: a Josh McDaniels offense, if they're gonna go back to

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01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: early down and passing down right, and they don't want

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01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: to spend big on a running back. I think I

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01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: said this to you last week. He's Rex Burkhead. He's

2185
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play both roles, and he gives

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01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you backup for Andre Stephenson. He gives you back up

2187
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: for Antonio Gibson. He's a guy that can be a

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01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: factor week in and week out and do a variety

2189
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: of things. So he is a fantastic Patriots fit. He's

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01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: currently being projected in the seventh round. I think that's

2191
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: low but about right. But like grabbing him later on

2192
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: day three, he fits tremendously into what I think they're

2193
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 1: gonna try to do with their running backs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My one question with the tight ends with Warren

2195
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 2: and Loveland, and I kind of went back and forth

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01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: and had a tough time with this as well. There's

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01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 2: no doubt that Warren is the more well rounded and

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01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 2: more polished, just like you were saying earlier, Like there's

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01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: tape of him at a high volume carrying an offense

2200
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. There's no doubt about

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01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 2: that with Warren. But even though he's more well rounded,

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01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 2: Loveland is definitely the more dynamic player, right, So, like,

2203
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 2: which one do you gravitate towards as an offense is

2204
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting conversation that I think is gonna

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01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,639
Speaker 2: become closer and closer as the draft gets closer, because

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01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be two schools of thought, like

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01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 2: one one school is gonna be you know, this guy

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01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 2: is gonna you know, Loveland is is a true chunk artist,

2209
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 2: like he is a big play, explosive athlete at his size,

2210
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:55,480
Speaker 2: especially whereas Warren is is just a well rounded, polished

2211
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: tight end prospect. And which one do you gravitate towards? Like,

2212
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 2: I think it's a good conversation for.

2213
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: What they are right now, I'd probably go with Warren.

2214
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Warren a little bit ahead of Loveland too.

2215
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: I think there are teams where Loveland might make more sense.

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01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a lot of those, you know,

2217
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 2: those teams you look at guys, you know, Brat Bauers

2218
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: is kind of like a unicorn, but like you look

2219
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 2: at like a Sam Laporta for example, Like if you

2220
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 2: put him in that kind of exotic run, smash mouth

2221
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: type of team that likes to play action and likes

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01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 2: to sneak tight ends out and all that kind of stuff,

2223
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 2: then like having someone as explosive as Loveland. I think

2224
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 2: it translates a lot like Sam Laporta in De Troit.

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01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,839
Speaker 1: You know, I could totally see Loveland Kansas City. Okay,

2226
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 1: I can see that like as Travis Kelsey's replacement.

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01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Andy is in Subbury. What's

2228
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 2: up Andy? Hey?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

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Speaker 4: How are we doing today?

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01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 2: Good?

2232
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Good?

2233
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 4: So I'm completely in agreement with you. If either Hunter

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01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 4: or if either if either Hunter or Carter is THEREK

2235
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 4: for you take him. Other than that, I would trade

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01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 4: down to about the six or seventh spot. And I'm

2237
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 4: still a Teed McMillan guy. But I really was interested

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01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 4: in hearing you guys out on Tyler Warren because I

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01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 4: love him and like you said, Jess McDaniels is a

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Speaker 4: master with poo tight insects. I could see him with

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01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 4: Paul and with Hunter, Henry and Drake me.

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01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks for the calling. He appreciate it. We

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01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 2: talked a lot about Tyler Warren earlier, but we're both there.

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01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 2: I think Tyler Warren is a guy that's on both

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01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 2: of our radars, probably in the trade down, but really

2246
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: intriguing player. Do you want to get to some of

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01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 2: these emails. We got a bunch of emails. Can we

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01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 2: do rapid fire?

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01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: We can because I want to give.

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Speaker 2: These guys. So Floyd email is in from Michigan. Floyd's

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01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 2: a regular listener, so I appreciate that, and he kind

2252
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 2: of gets me here a little bit. This is a

2253
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 2: good rebuttal to my Will Campbell over Mason Graham. He

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01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 2: said that I have said in the past that you

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01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 2: don't reach on need in the draft, that you take

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01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 2: the best player available. You don't reach on need. And

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01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people have Mason Graham over Will Campbell.

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01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 2: So wouldn't taking Will Campbell over Mason Graham be reaching

2259
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 2: because of the tackle position. I think my just one

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01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 2: kind of rebuttal. It's a good point. He kind of

2261
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 2: got me there a little bit. Is just that I

2262
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 2: have I look at Will Campbell Mason Graham as closer

2263
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 2: as prospects than other people.

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01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't that's I understand not reaching for talent people.

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01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: Why are you reaching for Will Campbell? I don't think

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01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm reaching. Now, let's see again city our measurement. But

2267
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: in this interesting he's still training as a tackle. Yep,

2268
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Jeremy or as of like two three weeks ago. Yeah,

2269
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 1: so he knows something maybe there, Like, I don't think

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01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: it's a reach for Will Campbell at four. I don't

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01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't reach for a player at four. I don't

2272
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: think Will Campbell's all reach it for.

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01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. This is from Brian who

2274
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 2: says that he's a listener since the Sealing s days,

2275
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 2: so shut out there to clintis the Travis Hunter question

2276
01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 2: that I think we get a lot here?

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01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2278
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 2: Is is it like having two bites of the apple with

2279
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 2: one player because if you try him out at receiver

2280
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 2: and he fails, then you can move him to corner

2281
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 2: or vice versa. Like, do you feel like that adds

2282
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 2: value to that Travis.

2283
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: Underdill, because that's not really what it is, because he's

2284
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: still getting older as you're going, and what at twenty six,

2285
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you're gonna have him start learning a new

2286
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 1: position that he probably hasn't spent a lot of time

2287
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: at the last few years. It honestly kind of reminds

2288
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: me when I worked in minor league baseball and these

2289
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: guys would come through after you know, four or five

2290
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: years trying to be a catcher, trying to be a

2291
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: shortstop couldn't get up to the system and that you know,

2292
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 1: they go back to a ball and start trying to pitch.

2293
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2294
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: So, and it's not a perfect comparison, but like, no,

2295
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: your your development plan is what it is. If it

2296
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work, somebody else is probably going to try to

2297
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 1: do that.

2298
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 2: Yep. So a couple of Josh Simmons questions. One person

2299
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 2: pointed out that in the past Vrabel is taking some

2300
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 2: risks on some injury guys, you know, Caleb Farreley like that,

2301
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 2: those types of players back, and another one just asking it.

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01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: You know, didn't hear us talk about Josh Simmons. I

2303
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: did mention him in my Honorable Mentions in my post

2304
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 2: this morning on Patriots dot com. But I think the

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01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 2: biggest thing to me with a guy like Simmons is

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01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: just that we'd be having a different conversation. If he

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01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 2: was healthy and he played the same way throughout the

2308
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 2: entire college football season that he did in the first

2309
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 2: five games, then he would be left tackle ot one,

2310
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 2: Like he'd be the top tackle in the draft.

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01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 1: That's what I don't want to hear. Well, you know,

2312
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 1: if he was healthy, but he's not. Yeah, we're not

2313
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: drafting in a world where he's healthy, So you just

2314
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,679
Speaker 1: you can't make that argument because it's not the reality.

2315
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 2: YEP. Question from David, another regular listener from Madrid. He

2316
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 2: mentioned that he read the breakdown I did on the

2317
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Rabel and Terrell Williams defense and talking a lot about

2318
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 2: four to five defenses and even fronts and four to

2319
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 2: three and that kind of stuff, And does that change,

2320
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, the way that they approach the draft, And

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01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 2: I definitely think it does. But I do wonder if

2322
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 2: Rabel's a good coach, and good coaches are able to adapt, right,

2323
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 2: and if he looks at it and he says, okay, well,

2324
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 2: we could try to run the four down mechanics that

2325
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 2: we ran in Tennessee. But that's a complete overhaul, like

2326
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 2: defensive line linebacker room, like Jawan Bentley can't be here,

2327
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 2: Jelani Tavai can't be here, you know, Devon Godshaw can't

2328
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 2: be here, like these guys that have played a lot

2329
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 2: of snaps for you and are important players over the

2330
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I'm not saying that they could.

2331
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: They might, they won't take that approach, but I do

2332
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 2: wonder if they kind of pivot or tweak, so they

2333
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: don't have to completely throw everybody out at the bathwater, right,

2334
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 2: because then you're getting into a position now where you're

2335
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 2: talking about like a two or three year rebuild on

2336
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, and you're in this

2337
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 2: canoe and you have all these holes and you're taking

2338
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 2: on water, and now you're just creating more holes in

2339
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 2: the canoe by doing that. So I do think that

2340
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 2: there's a happy medium there, like a balance that they

2341
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 2: could strike. What that sort of thing? Yeah, all right,

2342
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 2: do we have a lot of lengthy questions here, but

2343
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 2: so this one of rumors, you know, free agency rumors,

2344
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 2: AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, T Higgins, you know all the

2345
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 2: name wide receivers you hear a lot about. I don't

2346
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 2: think that the AJ Brown rumors are very realistic, do you.

2347
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 1: I wish I'd like them to be. I don't know

2348
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:20,720
Speaker 1: that they are, but I'm gonna keep my hopes up.

2349
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 2: We do have some people outside of this show and

2350
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 2: outside of you that are starting to talk a little

2351
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 2: bit about DK Metcalf coming available. So maybe so.

2352
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Let me address this. Let me address this one thing

2353
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 1: on DK Metcalf. I know there was that clip he

2354
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,680
Speaker 1: was on with was it? Uh who was he on

2355
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: with like a couple of weeks ago, Katie Nolan, Yeah,

2356
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: I think and was asked, you know, oh, and he

2357
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: said like, oh, I'd never live in Massachusetts. One, it's

2358
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: always Rhode Island. That's not a bad commute. Two And

2359
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: more realistically, like guys say that if you're gonna if

2360
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: you know you might be negotiating a contract with the

2361
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Patriots down the road, Yeah, you're not gonna say yeah,

2362
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to play there, right, So you know he's

2363
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 1: not gonna live here. There's a dollar amount that he'll

2364
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 1: live here. And I think it's very important for the

2365
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Patriots to let it be known. For Metcalf, for Brown,

2366
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: for any other wide receiver that's thinking that they need

2367
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,799
Speaker 1: their next deal, there is a big fat contract waiting

2368
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: for them if they can make their way here. I

2369
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: think that's important to be known. I'm not ruling Dk

2370
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: Metcalf out because that comment he made with Katie Nolan,

2371
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 1: not saying that it's not relevant. But everybody has their price,

2372
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, for for thirty million a year, come live

2373
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 1: here for three four years. Yeah, Suddenly that conversation looks

2374
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: a little different.

2375
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 2: So I feel as similarly with T Higgins, because I

2376
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people are they're not They're

2377
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 2: not gonna get T Higgins. There's no way he'd pick

2378
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 2: to come here if he's an unrestricted free agent. I

2379
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 2: feel the same way a little bit with T Higgins.

2380
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 2: Where is T Higgins? Is he Jamar Chase? No, he's

2381
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 2: not Jamar Chase. But the Patriots are kind of in

2382
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 2: a spot where they just have to overpay for talent

2383
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 2: at this point. So I'm rolling out the red carpet

2384
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 2: for T Higgins too if he's a free agent, and

2385
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm winning the bidding war, and a lot of these

2386
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 2: players like they'll just take the highest. He will take

2387
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: the money, They'll take the money. And I also think

2388
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 2: you're in a little bit of a positioning. You have

2389
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 2: an NFL caliber head coach. Now, you have a respected,

2390
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, high end coach and Mike Rabel, and you

2391
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 2: have a quarterback, a young quarterback, but a quarterback that

2392
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 2: I think a lot of receivers will look at and say,

2393
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna win right out of

2394
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: the shoot. I don't know if we're gonna be you know,

2395
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 2: if we're gonna where exactly how long it's gonna take.

2396
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: But he can get me the ball, Like, there's no

2397
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 2: question about that. So if you're a receiver and you

2398
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 2: get the money, you got a quarterback that can play,

2399
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 2: you have a coach that knows what he's doing. It's

2400
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,839
Speaker 2: not the greatest situation, but it's not the worst situation

2401
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 2: either anymore. I think there is right worse situations. So

2402
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 2: I think that that that hasn't going for has they

2403
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 2: have that going for them? And like I said, you

2404
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 2: just just throw money at them. Just just you gotta try.

2405
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 2: You gotta try. You gotta try to pitch te Higgins

2406
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 2: on coming here. All right, we'll take this last call

2407
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 2: and then we'll do some recency bias worry how about that?

2408
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 2: All Right? William is in Philly? What's up, Willie?

2409
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Hey?

2410
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 7: What's going on? How you doing? He could all right, Hey,

2411
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 7: all right, I got I guess I gotta make this

2412
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 7: showing brief because I don't call like that like I

2413
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 7: used to when a So is this this a third

2414
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 7: rebuild basically or is this.

2415
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Going to be the fourth? Uh?

2416
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 7: Second, it's the second? Okay?

2417
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: Well, because so like the Cam Newton year was a reset,

2418
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: they tried the mac Jones rebuild. And now that like

2419
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 1: I I market by quarterbacks. I guess if you want

2420
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 1: to say it's by coaches, then he adds third, but

2421
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: I go by quarterbacks, so it's second.

2422
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 7: Okay. The gentlemen, they gotta get they gotta get this right, seriously,

2423
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 7: like Elliot wolfs got to get this right. I mean,

2424
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 7: it's you had the due threat, the dual threat quarterback.

2425
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 7: You have the coach, all right, you you let's go.

2426
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, like, let's go. Let's don't

2427
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 7: play a round. Know who you want going for the

2428
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 7: AC going to Drake, get your players that you're supposed

2429
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,640
Speaker 7: to have this build this put players around Trake. Make

2430
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 7: you didn't do around Meg Jones, you really did. You

2431
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,599
Speaker 7: played around and s going on his rookie deal.

2432
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 2: This.

2433
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 7: Don't do that to Drake. Okay, And that's what I

2434
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 7: have to say.

2435
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks, William appreciated. Good to hear from you. Uh yeah,

2436
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 2: look at I don't hold what Bill Belichick did against

2437
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 2: this regime. I don't even really hold what happened last

2438
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 2: year against his dream. I know Elliot Wolf's still here.

2439
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 2: I know he has a prominent title, but they're they're

2440
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 2: the Big Three, Mike Rabel, Ryan Cowden, Elliott Wolf. Two

2441
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 2: of them have the same brain, and that's Mike Rabel

2442
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 2: and Ryan Cowden. And when you get to that vote

2443
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,640
Speaker 2: and there's two against one on everything, like, who do

2444
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 2: you think is going to win the battle? Right, It's

2445
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 2: gonna be Mike Rabel. Mike Rabel is gonna have the

2446
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 2: final say. So, I don't necessarily look at it like

2447
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 2: it's the same front office, is the same setup. I

2448
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 2: think it's pretty significantly different. So there's a new rebuild.

2449
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 2: It's it's thanks they're basically on try number three. I

2450
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 2: guess try number two. I would say, really, yeah, of

2451
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 2: trying to do this whole thing all right, uh, recent bias,

2452
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 2: what do you got?

2453
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 1: I got two for you there. These are depth players

2454
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting really in the research now, Okay. Number one, Yeah,

2455
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 1: Joseph Evans utsa geez so for all he was the

2456
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl.

2457
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, for all.

2458
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,719
Speaker 1: We talk about, you know, Mason Graham and Dion Walker

2459
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: and like these interior pressure guys, they also need to

2460
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: get a true run stopping nose tackle. Doesn't need to

2461
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: be in the top one hundred, but they need to

2462
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,919
Speaker 1: get a guy who can stop the run. Joseph Evans,

2463
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: big physical think he's like six five three forty from Utsa.

2464
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Had an injury last year that cost the most of

2465
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: the season. That's kind of knocked him down boards. He's

2466
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 1: a late day three guy now. But we're gonna do that.

2467
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 1: We do this every year. We find like a handful

2468
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: of nose tackles we like late in the draft and

2469
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: just try to throw them in mock drafts to be like,

2470
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna help address the run. So I just

2471
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 1: did my first mock draft. I needed one of those guys.

2472
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Joseph Evans UTSA.

2473
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay, roadrunner.

2474
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: Road Runner, that's right, next one, meet me my other one.

2475
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 1: And I saw some people talking about this in the

2476
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: chat earlier. Kicker is indeed, so I I finally went,

2477
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: you like, looked at all.

2478
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 2: The cower in fifty five minutes into the show, Allow

2479
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 2: a kicker minute.

2480
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, under Bill, the kind of role thumb

2481
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 1: was they wanted kickers with experience kicking in inclement weather,

2482
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:23,639
Speaker 1: which I think is a good idea. I would hope

2483
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: they continue that. But I'm looking at this class. These

2484
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:28,759
Speaker 1: are all guys that kicked in the South. There's really

2485
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys with the experience kickers. One

2486
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: is Joonahdalmas who was not good in the playoffs Softom

2487
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 1: Boys and State. If there's one guy that fits better,

2488
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: call Sauls. Ben Sauls from pitt He was what is it?

2489
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I think five of six from fifty plus last year

2490
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of that.

2491
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: That's it.

2492
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: He's used to kicking the afterture at Heinz Field.

2493
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 2: Which is it's one of the toughest, if not the

2494
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 2: toughest stadium for NFL kickers.

2495
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to draft a kicker

2496
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: this year. I think there's a chance that they bring

2497
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 1: back Sly or another VAD and that guy competes with

2498
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Romo and maybe UDFA. Maybe Sauls is a u DFA.

2499
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's I'm okay not using a draft

2500
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 1: pick or high draft pick on a kicker this year.

2501
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: They it's not the class to do it. But if

2502
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 1: they want a rookie kicker, to me, Ben Sauls is

2503
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the guy.

2504
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 2: Ben Salts the kicker, there's your kicker. I am definitely

2505
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 2: in a much different spot in my research than you, clearly,

2506
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 2: so I'm still in the top one hundred and.

2507
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: Hang out real quick, because I have his numbers six

2508
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 1: of seven from fifty plus last year, twenty one of

2509
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 1: twenty four total.

2510
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 2: Okay, there's your kicker minute Ben Saws. So a couple

2511
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 2: of guys that I think, uh, you know, stood out

2512
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 2: to me. One of them I think is gonna it.

2513
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 2: Surprised you. I texted you about it this morning. I

2514
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 2: was pleasantly surprised by Trey Harris from ole Mis. He

2515
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 2: not a burner, definitely not a burner. Not your guy,

2516
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 2: that's not your turn receiver. He can't run. He's probably

2517
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 2: gonna run like a four five five like honestly, he's

2518
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 2: He's definitely not fast.

2519
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: So he has an ad isaya bond. Doesn't have an

2520
01:55:57,960 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: hand so he has quite.

2521
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 2: The end, but his is He's a very very good

2522
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 2: route runner, very good route runner, like deceptive good salesman,

2523
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: changes tempo, changes, speeds within the route, can separate at

2524
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 2: the top break down at six foot three like to

2525
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 2: be able to get in and out of a break

2526
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 2: in the three steps and gain ground out of breaks

2527
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 2: and create separation at the top of routes like that's

2528
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 2: hard to do with that size. He has some catch radius,

2529
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 2: he has some gantastic catchability as well. What I what

2530
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 2: I was intrigued by is that, Okay, if we're talking

2531
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 2: about third round, you know, the Atlanta pick or their

2532
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 2: original third round pick, once he runs the forty fair

2533
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 2: when we talk about those that range of the draft.

2534
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:44,920
Speaker 2: Like his skill set, he is a typical perimeter receiver,

2535
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 2: Like he is an outside X receiver. Is he the

2536
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 2: X receiver? No, but he is a X receiver. And

2537
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 2: if they are going to you know, get some other options,

2538
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, fill some other holes elsewhere on this offense

2539
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 2: to be bringing dine guys like, I think he fills

2540
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,839
Speaker 2: a role on the outside. So the comp that I

2541
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 2: came up with was Brandon lafel Right, who also ran

2542
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 2: like a mid four five. Wasn't a burner, but was

2543
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 2: a good route runner, was good at the catch point.

2544
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 2: I had some size to him, had some girth to

2545
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 2: his body type, and that was just kind of heady, right, Like,

2546
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 2: he's just kind of witty with his route running. And

2547
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 2: I look at I look at Trey Harris's similar type

2548
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 2: of player. I thought that I was going to get

2549
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 2: into Trey Harris's film and see a slow, contested catch,

2550
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 2: jump ball kind of guy and I thought that he

2551
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 2: ran routes a lot better than what I was expecting.

2552
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 2: So if we're talking about him in the third or

2553
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 2: fourth round after he runs a four to six, then like, sure,

2554
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm in. I think I could be persuaded with that.

2555
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 1: I think realistically, and this is gonna sound counterdudive. That's

2556
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: the highest they should be taking a receiver is like

2557
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 1: late in the third because they need to go get

2558
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 1: a veteran. They need to go get a proven guy,

2559
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 1: and they're you can only have so many bodies at

2560
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: the position, and these guys need to play. So you know,

2561
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,839
Speaker 1: let's say they add t Higgins. Yeah, him and McMillan

2562
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be on the field together. Now him and

2563
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Buka Mike might make sense, but yeah, you don't. There's

2564
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: other positions where they need premium asslets. They have Pop

2565
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 1: Douglas coming back, they have Kendrick Bord coming back like Kaishawn.

2566
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 1: But you have depth guys, yeah right, you have depth receivers.

2567
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 1: It's not like you have nothing in that room. You

2568
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 1: need somebody at the top of the depth chart. And

2569
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: that guy, unless you know it's Ted McMillan, who you're

2570
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,200
Speaker 1: you don't even sound convinced about would be that that

2571
01:58:27,200 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 1: guy's probably not in this draft. So like a guy

2572
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: in that range, like I really like Kay Williams from

2573
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 1: Washington State who's probably gonna go around there maybe a

2574
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: little later. That's about where they should probably be taking

2575
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 1: a receiver. And in the Josh McDaniels offense, the X

2576
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 1: is not as much of a factor, so just having

2577
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 1: you don't need that, maybe you don't need that dominant X.

2578
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: If they get one, great and McDaniels will adjust, but

2579
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: it's not necessary like it is in some other offense.

2580
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 2: So I look at it like in the top one

2581
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 2: hundred the tiers of that X prototype. So obviously Ted

2582
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 2: is the is the top tier in this draft, right,

2583
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 2: He's the top tier X. I think Jayden Higgins is

2584
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 2: tier two. I think he's the second best X receiver

2585
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 2: in this class. And that body type, you know, six '

2586
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 2: three plus, good size, good catch radious, good ability to

2587
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 2: win on the outside. And then I would put Trey

2588
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 2: Harris as the third tier, right, So we're doing those

2589
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 2: like rungs the tiers of player. I liked him a

2590
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 2: lot more than I thought I was going to, so

2591
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm kind of in on Trey Harris. Now, last thing

2592
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,240
Speaker 2: I just look at, you know, a lot of those

2593
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 2: Day two guys for Strepo, Jalen Noel, the kid from

2594
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:33,840
Speaker 2: Utahs Day. What's his name, Yeah, Jalen Royals. Those guys

2595
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 2: are slots. Like those guys are kind of pure slot

2596
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 2: maybe Z type of receivers and Royal's case. So there's

2597
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 2: not a ton I would say true ex body types

2598
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:47,680
Speaker 2: on Day two other than Higgins and and other than Harris, Like,

2599
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 2: those are the two guys that are kind of in

2600
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 2: that mold. So I liked them. I thought he was

2601
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:55,160
Speaker 2: a good player. That's it. That's all I got, all right,

2602
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 2: So that does it for today's show as a beefy show,

2603
01:59:58,600 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 2: that's it. That was a catch twenty eight.

2604
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you wanted the draft, you gave me the.

2605
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:04,280
Speaker 2: We were in the weeds on that one, and we

2606
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,360
Speaker 2: came out of the gate hot with some of your

2607
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 2: super Bowl takes, your yours.

2608
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: I heard too much the last few weeks and not

2609
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:11,200
Speaker 1: take that victory.

2610
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 2: Listen. So we'll be back next week, do a little

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02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:17,120
Speaker 2: combine preview combines right around the corner a week from

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02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 2: Mondays almost mark sec and maybe I won't be alone

2613
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 2: maybe we'll see, we'll see. We're working on it, so

2614
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,040
Speaker 2: we'll be back next week, same time, same place to

2615
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 2: break down the Combine, preview the Combine, talk about arm

2616
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 2: length and all that good stuff, so I can't wait

2617
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,280
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