WEBVTT - Deep Cover Presents: Snowball

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's Jake here. We're hard at work on the

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<v Speaker 2>next season of deep Cover, and trust me, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>story you won't want to miss. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to bring you another show, this time by

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<v Speaker 2>the Unravel podcast team at ABC Australia, that explores a

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<v Speaker 2>story of outrageous deception. It's called Snowball, and for the

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<v Speaker 2>next few weeks we'll be sharing that podcast right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Snowball follows journalist Ali Wards as he unravels the wild

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<v Speaker 2>story of his own family was taken in and taken

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<v Speaker 2>down by a charming con woman from California, and he

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<v Speaker 2>tries to find out where she is. Now we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>financial ruin, shattered trust, and a mystery that stretches out

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<v Speaker 2>across continents and decades. It's got all the twists and

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<v Speaker 2>turns you'd expect from a high stakes crime thriller, only

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<v Speaker 2>it's all true. If you love deep Cover for the

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<v Speaker 2>detailed reporting, the unexpected characters, and the way that the

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<v Speaker 2>truth slowly unspools, Snowball will absolutely pull you in. Starting

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<v Speaker 2>November three, you can hear episodes of Snowball right here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a preview.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother married an American corn artist.

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<v Speaker 4>I find myself in a murky world of corn artists

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<v Speaker 4>and swindlers. This isn't the kind of story you would

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<v Speaker 4>expect to happen to a pretty average Kiwi family like mine. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I was just gobsmaked as too, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember it being like, whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>She had the dark, vivacious.

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<v Speaker 1>And then whoa a surface skin and look to here,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's like two or three woes. She's a sociopath.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't really a surprise. You're like, I wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>the next one is going to be?

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<v Speaker 3>What happened cost us everything?

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<v Speaker 4>I held it up to the light and everything merged.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end, my parents lost more than a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>We had been done.

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<v Speaker 3>Mum and Dad ended up homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>We just were destroyed.

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<v Speaker 4>It all started when my bro Greg was a backpacker

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<v Speaker 4>in London.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's very bubbly, affavescent personality. He met Leslie Minuchian.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a laugh that.

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<v Speaker 4>Could you know you hear it across the room.

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<v Speaker 3>A confident, charismatic Californian.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's throw in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Kim Kardashian look alike, sophisticated female.

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<v Speaker 3>Operative she knew as at the work people ready to

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<v Speaker 3>woo me as well. Greg was wooed. I was an

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<v Speaker 3>American a file, so he brought his American dream girl

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<v Speaker 3>home to New Zealand. When you married someone, you feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you really know them.

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<v Speaker 4>Within a few months, Leslie had taken off to the

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<v Speaker 4>US and none of us ever saw her again. I

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<v Speaker 4>was living overseas when all of this went down. I

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<v Speaker 4>normally work at an Australian radio station helping other people

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<v Speaker 4>tell stories. Now I'm going to investigate the story of

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<v Speaker 4>my own.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was so weird, smuggled out of Armenia.

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<v Speaker 3>What well explain? That's weird?

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<v Speaker 4>It is weird. And as I start digging through what happened,

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<v Speaker 4>weird doesn't even really cover it.

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<v Speaker 3>You got on the wrong side of the local mafia,

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<v Speaker 3>she witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>She might have got beaten murder, or she got home

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<v Speaker 1>invaded at a house or something like that. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to kill me tonight, Dad and the CRIMINALSS got on

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<v Speaker 1>this chartered airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents had to pay for a private jet to come

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<v Speaker 2>get her before the mafia killed her.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, there's just so many questions. How did this happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Why did this American woman con my family.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you do this?

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<v Speaker 3>How did she just get away? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, she's done it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Who else does this happen to? Does the name Lislie

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<v Speaker 3>Minuchian mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>You bet.

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<v Speaker 3>Never forget her.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman's a bit kind of like, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>what she claims to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be, and that was her allure. You just followed her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she ever thought she would actually get caught.

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<v Speaker 3>It just started getting shadier and shadier. I got home.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a bong load, a martini and a blow job,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just didn't think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I f a ask you, this is your karma?

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<v Speaker 3>And who really is Lislei Minuchian? Like a part of

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<v Speaker 3>me believes that she's just like, oh, the scammer of

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<v Speaker 3>really broken person. You'll never really know what was real

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<v Speaker 3>or not.

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<v Speaker 4>To find answers, I'll have to get past her big

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<v Speaker 4>shot lawyer to the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you believe this jerk?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? My fucking god, as your lawyer, I am starting

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<v Speaker 1>to make threats.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, are you serious?

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to travel across the world to track

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<v Speaker 4>Leslie down?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we getting ourselves into?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm running stand by.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm only wards and I want you to come with

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<v Speaker 4>me for the new season of Unravel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about to hit you.

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<v Speaker 4>This time things really do get personal.

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<v Speaker 3>Join me for Snowball.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I see a subscribe to Unravel, the ABC's award

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<v Speaker 4>winning true crime podcast. She's getting in a car wherever

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<v Speaker 4>you're hearing this now getting or on the ABC listener.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't wait to find out what happens Binge

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