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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Jake here. We're hard at work on the

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Speaker 2: next season of deep Cover, and trust me, it's a

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Speaker 2: story you won't want to miss. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: we wanted to bring you another show, this time by

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Speaker 2: the Unravel podcast team at ABC Australia, that explores a

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Speaker 2: story of outrageous deception. It's called Snowball, and for the

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Speaker 2: next few weeks we'll be sharing that podcast right here.

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Speaker 2: Snowball follows journalist Ali Wards as he unravels the wild

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Speaker 2: story of his own family was taken in and taken

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Speaker 2: down by a charming con woman from California, and he

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Speaker 2: tries to find out where she is. Now we're talking

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Speaker 2: financial ruin, shattered trust, and a mystery that stretches out

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Speaker 2: across continents and decades. It's got all the twists and

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Speaker 2: turns you'd expect from a high stakes crime thriller, only

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Speaker 2: it's all true. If you love deep Cover for the

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Speaker 2: detailed reporting, the unexpected characters, and the way that the

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Speaker 2: truth slowly unspools, Snowball will absolutely pull you in. Starting

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Speaker 2: November three, you can hear episodes of Snowball right here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's a preview.

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Speaker 3: My brother married an American corn artist.

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Speaker 4: I find myself in a murky world of corn artists

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Speaker 4: and swindlers. This isn't the kind of story you would

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Speaker 4: expect to happen to a pretty average Kiwi family like mine. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I was just gobsmaked as too, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: I just remember it being like, whoa.

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Speaker 3: She had the dark, vivacious.

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Speaker 1: And then whoa a surface skin and look to here,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like two or three woes. She's a sociopath.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really a surprise. You're like, I wonder what

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Speaker 1: the next one is going to be?

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Speaker 3: What happened cost us everything?

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Speaker 4: I held it up to the light and everything merged.

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Speaker 3: In the end, my parents lost more than a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: We had been done.

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Speaker 3: Mum and Dad ended up homeless.

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Speaker 1: We just were destroyed.

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Speaker 4: It all started when my bro Greg was a backpacker

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Speaker 4: in London.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very bubbly, affavescent personality. He met Leslie Minuchian.

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Speaker 3: She has a laugh that.

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Speaker 4: Could you know you hear it across the room.

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Speaker 3: A confident, charismatic Californian.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's throw in there.

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Speaker 4: Kim Kardashian look alike, sophisticated female.

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Speaker 3: Operative she knew as at the work people ready to

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Speaker 3: woo me as well. Greg was wooed. I was an

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Speaker 3: American a file, so he brought his American dream girl

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Speaker 3: home to New Zealand. When you married someone, you feel

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Speaker 3: like you really know them.

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Speaker 4: Within a few months, Leslie had taken off to the

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Speaker 4: US and none of us ever saw her again. I

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Speaker 4: was living overseas when all of this went down. I

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Speaker 4: normally work at an Australian radio station helping other people

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Speaker 4: tell stories. Now I'm going to investigate the story of

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Speaker 4: my own.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was so weird, smuggled out of Armenia.

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Speaker 3: What well explain? That's weird?

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Speaker 4: It is weird. And as I start digging through what happened,

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Speaker 4: weird doesn't even really cover it.

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Speaker 3: You got on the wrong side of the local mafia,

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Speaker 3: she witnessed.

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Speaker 1: She might have got beaten murder, or she got home

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Speaker 1: invaded at a house or something like that. They're going

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Speaker 1: to kill me tonight, Dad and the CRIMINALSS got on

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Speaker 1: this chartered airplane.

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Speaker 2: Parents had to pay for a private jet to come

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Speaker 2: get her before the mafia killed her.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, there's just so many questions. How did this happen?

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Speaker 3: Why did this American woman con my family.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do this?

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Speaker 3: How did she just get away? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Shit, she's done it again.

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Speaker 3: Who else does this happen to? Does the name Lislie

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Speaker 3: Minuchian mean.

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Speaker 1: Anything to you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You bet.

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Speaker 3: Never forget her.

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Speaker 1: This woman's a bit kind of like, you know, not

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Speaker 1: what she claims to.

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Speaker 3: Be, and that was her allure. You just followed her.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she ever thought she would actually get caught.

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Speaker 3: It just started getting shadier and shadier. I got home.

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Speaker 4: There was a bong load, a martini and a blow job,

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Speaker 4: and I just didn't think about it.

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Speaker 2: I f a ask you, this is your karma?

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Speaker 3: And who really is Lislei Minuchian? Like a part of

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Speaker 3: me believes that she's just like, oh, the scammer of

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Speaker 3: really broken person. You'll never really know what was real

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Speaker 3: or not.

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Speaker 4: To find answers, I'll have to get past her big

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Speaker 4: shot lawyer to the stars.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe this jerk?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My fucking god, as your lawyer, I am starting

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Speaker 1: to make threats.

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Speaker 3: Also, are you serious?

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to travel across the world to track

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Speaker 4: Leslie down?

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Speaker 1: What are we getting ourselves into?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm running stand by.

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Speaker 4: I'm only wards and I want you to come with

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Speaker 4: me for the new season of Unravel.

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Speaker 1: It's about to hit you.

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Speaker 4: This time things really do get personal.

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Speaker 3: Join me for Snowball.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I see a subscribe to Unravel, the ABC's award

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Speaker 4: winning true crime podcast. She's getting in a car wherever

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