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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. Have an amazing show for
Speaker 1: everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?
Speaker 2: Indeed, we do, as you guys probably already know, Zoron
Speaker 2: Mondani has shocked the establishment in New York City and nationwide.
Speaker 2: So we have some updates for you there, including Andrew
Speaker 2: Cuomo is dropping his bid so what does this mean
Speaker 2: for the general election?
Speaker 4: And also the big freakout is on.
Speaker 2: We got the Republican freakout, we got the Business CNBC freakout,
Speaker 2: we got the Democratic establishment freakout, and I'm also really
Speaker 2: excited to get Sager's take on the whole thing and
Speaker 2: what it all means. Also, lots of news continuing to
Speaker 2: unfold with regard to Iron. The Great Scott Horton is
Speaker 2: going to join us to break the latest down. The
Speaker 2: Ayatola has emerged with a message. There's actually a press
Speaker 2: conference going on today with Pete Hegseth as the Trump
Speaker 2: administration continues to insist that those strikes were successful in
Speaker 2: obliterating Iran's nuclear program.
Speaker 4: So we will get all of those details.
Speaker 2: Also a couple of interesting media appearances, one from Joy
Speaker 2: Reid who drops some real truth bombs on CNN. I
Speaker 2: guess now that she's unshackled from MSNBC, it's interesting to
Speaker 2: watch her go so play that. And we also had
Speaker 2: a great Candice Owen's clip from Piers Morgan that we
Speaker 2: will break down as well. In addition, we want to
Speaker 2: keep our eye on the fact that the one big,
Speaker 2: beautiful bill is moving. President Trump is pushing for this
Speaker 2: to be passed rapidly, in spite of the fact that
Speaker 2: some Republican leaders are expressing deep concern about the political
Speaker 2: fallout of the Medicaid cuts. Also have a couple of
Speaker 2: additional interesting media segments. So Bernie Sanders joined Joe Rogan,
Speaker 2: got some clips from that, and another Joe Rogan linked
Speaker 2: segment we're going to do here. So disgraced men's lifestyle
Speaker 2: influencer Liver King was just arrested for making terroristic threats
Speaker 2: against Joe Rogan. So we'll break down all of that
Speaker 2: for you. It was just a wild story. He's clearly
Speaker 2: had a complete mental.
Speaker 4: Break at this time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And for those asking what the tie in is
Speaker 3: is because this show actually was featured in the Liver
Speaker 3: King Netflix documentary at the end, and so we have
Speaker 3: to bring things even more full circle continuing our coverage
Speaker 3: of the situation. Also, it's been a really very serious
Speaker 3: two weeks, so you know, let's let's do something that.
Speaker 3: Let's written it up a little bit. But I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's always fun to see an influencer fall from
Speaker 3: grace and in handcuffs. I'm sorry, I've I've been really
Speaker 3: waiting for it.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially this guy complete he's a total artist.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you guys haven't watched, I watched the
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary on Liver King last night with Kyle, and
Speaker 2: I knew your monologue was in it, yes, but it
Speaker 2: really was like the whole thing built. I have not
Speaker 2: watched though and heard this blog is like the you know,
Speaker 2: the conclusion that wraps the whole thing up is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Got you know that's that's where you guys watched the show.
Speaker 3: You're ahead of the curve. We were one of the
Speaker 3: only news channels that actually covered it at that time.
Speaker 3: And no, it wasn't for clicks. I had been fascinated
Speaker 3: by the story. It is quite a long time. All right,
Speaker 3: let's get to zoron. You guys did a great job
Speaker 3: of covering all the election results live. But a lot
Speaker 3: has happened since then.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, So to back up, we'll start with Zoramandani
Speaker 2: his victory speech, just to get a flavor of what
Speaker 2: he was talking about as he clinched the Democratic primary victory.
Speaker 4: Let's go and take a listen to a little bit
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 5: Tonight, we made history. In the words of Nelson Mandela,
Speaker 5: it always seems impossible until it is done. And I
Speaker 5: want to thank Brad Lander. Together we shown the power
Speaker 5: of the politics of the future.
Speaker 6: As FDR said, democracy has disappeared in several other great nations,
Speaker 6: not because the people disliked democracy, but because they had
Speaker 6: grown tired of unemployment and insecurity, of seeing their children
Speaker 6: hungry while they sat helpless in the face of government
Speaker 6: confusion and weakness. In desperation, they chose to sacrifice liberty
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 1: Hope of getting something to eat. New York.
Speaker 6: If we have made one thing clear over these past months,
Speaker 6: it is that we need not choose between the two.
Speaker 1: We can be free and we can be fed. We
Speaker 1: can demand what we.
Speaker 6: Desi earth, and together we have built a movement where
Speaker 6: everyday New Yorkers recognized themselves in our vision of democracy.
Speaker 2: So you get a little taste there of the talent
Speaker 2: and the rhetorica that helped to lead to this completely shocking,
Speaker 2: pretty overwhelming success here for zora On. Let's go and
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen in terms of the
Speaker 2: coalition that he built, because there are some really interesting
Speaker 2: numbers here and some really interesting things to glean. You know,
Speaker 2: you really have to kind of discard some of your
Speaker 2: The expectation was this would be, you know, heavily leaning
Speaker 2: on white college educated and Asian college educated voters. The
Speaker 2: way he was able to win with such stunning overwhelming
Speaker 2: force and in the first round, which people didn't really expect.
Speaker 2: I mean, technically it hasn't been called yet, has got
Speaker 2: to go to rank choice voting, but Coloma has already conceded.
Speaker 2: He did best in racially mixed precincts. Here, Cuomo did
Speaker 2: best in precincts which were either heavily white or heavily black.
Speaker 2: So in the more mixed area of the city, that
Speaker 2: is where mom Donnie did the best. Let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and put the next piece up on the screen here
Speaker 2: about the class coalition he.
Speaker 4: Was able to build and saber.
Speaker 2: This was to me some of the most fascinating breakdowns
Speaker 2: that we saw were in terms of the class demographics
Speaker 2: that made up Mam Donnie's base.
Speaker 4: So Cuomo did the best.
Speaker 2: Among the very poor and among the very rich so
Speaker 2: billionaire class. All in for Cuomo, Mam Donnie was strongest
Speaker 2: among the sort of broad middle, so the working class
Speaker 2: and middle class in New York City. And keep in mind,
Speaker 2: in New York City, because it is so expensive, the
Speaker 2: middle class is a little bit higher income than what
Speaker 2: it would be considered nationwide.
Speaker 4: But that's really where he had his strength.
Speaker 2: And then we don't have these numbers, but there was
Speaker 2: also obviously a massive generational divide, and that was perhaps
Speaker 2: the most significant divide in this entire race is Mam
Speaker 2: Donnie was so strong with young voters and did something
Speaker 2: that you know, the Bernie campaign promised to do that
Speaker 2: leftist campaigns off and promised to do, which is to
Speaker 2: shift the demographics of the people who actually turn out.
Speaker 2: It appears that Zorn, in addition to winning groups that
Speaker 2: he wasn't necessarily expected to and building in roads into
Speaker 2: groups he wasn't expected to, he also did change the
Speaker 2: composition of the electorate where it was much younger than
Speaker 2: you know, typical New York City mayoral elections ultimately are.
Speaker 4: And that's how he's able to secure.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Oh, he's the real candidate of
Speaker 3: the rich, and he's the candidate of the poor. Again,
Speaker 3: I would remind somebody that if you make a hunt
Speaker 3: this is going to sound crazy for people who are
Speaker 3: in Alabama. If you make one hundred grand in Manhattan,
Speaker 3: you're basically rent poor. You know, it's like you're effectively
Speaker 3: like paycheck to paye you're working class. Yeah no, look again,
Speaker 3: I know this sounds nuts to everybody else.
Speaker 1: Who lives.
Speaker 3: But if you've ever lived in New York, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm serious, like one hundred grand, and you have to
Speaker 3: think about state, local, and federal, what you're left home with,
Speaker 3: and then what the average rent is for even a
Speaker 3: one or a two bedroom apartment. Good luck to you
Speaker 3: being able to even go out to eat, like a
Speaker 3: couple of times.
Speaker 1: So that's my you know, first kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, at the same time, I do
Speaker 3: find the quibbling really annoying because you can kind of
Speaker 3: find a narrative wherever it is, like, you know, Cuomo
Speaker 3: won what is the majority of black voters, and there
Speaker 3: was a big like racial split, cook.
Speaker 1: Mom, Donnie did very well in a lot of these
Speaker 1: mixed districts.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I don't think it
Speaker 3: really matters all that much. All The only thing that
Speaker 3: means is winning the primary, and we will also find
Speaker 3: out during the general election what his general.
Speaker 1: Broad appeal is.
Speaker 3: But also, look, I mean all of this like working
Speaker 3: class now, it's like, guys, the only thing that matters
Speaker 3: is winning. And you know Donald Trump, Yes, he won
Speaker 3: many working class voters, Latino voters, et cetera.
Speaker 1: He won a lot of rich people too, like middle
Speaker 1: class as well.
Speaker 3: In fact, middle class suburbanites, if they hadn't voted for Trump,
Speaker 3: he would not have won the popular vote election, right,
Speaker 3: So just taking the coalition for what it is, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: it's not a surprise like the Democratic Party broadly appeals
Speaker 3: to people who are college educated. If you've been watching
Speaker 3: this show for the last five years, then you would
Speaker 3: know that, like having a four year bachelor college degree
Speaker 3: is one of the major signs of being liberal.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is.
Speaker 3: And so when you, you know, put that into a
Speaker 3: city like New York with what I mean, I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine, Like the median income I believe on the
Speaker 3: island of Manhattan is one hundred and two thousand dollars
Speaker 3: per year.
Speaker 1: That's a median income.
Speaker 3: And then actually, if you restrict it and you like
Speaker 3: leave out I think some parts of above a certain street,
Speaker 3: it's skyrockets. Even myral what do you think they all did?
Speaker 3: They're all like highly college educated. Of course they're Democratic voters.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we can make quite a bit
Speaker 3: of this whole like working class black or whatever. But like,
Speaker 3: to me, the only thing that matters is winning, and
Speaker 3: the guy won so it doesn't really matter like at
Speaker 3: the end of the day of how he will perform
Speaker 3: in the general election is of course an open question.
Speaker 3: We have the news about Andrew cuomo potential. Is he
Speaker 3: officially not running? That's it was a bit confused put
Speaker 3: it up there.
Speaker 2: So just to explain, in New York there are multiple
Speaker 2: ballot lines.
Speaker 4: And Andrew Cuomo already.
Speaker 2: Was going to be on one of the non Democratic
Speaker 2: party ballot lines for the fall. So the expectation very
Speaker 2: much was that if he lost in the Democratic primary,
Speaker 2: he would continue on to the fall. But that expectation
Speaker 2: was built at a time when it was expected either
Speaker 2: he would win or that it would be very close.
Speaker 4: It ends up not being close.
Speaker 2: In fact, the margin of victory in the first round
Speaker 2: ranked choice vote is going to only be you know,
Speaker 2: it's only going to grow when they actually factor in
Speaker 2: ranked choice vote because the third place candidate, Brad Lander
Speaker 2: cross indorsed Mam Donnie and his campaign told us that
Speaker 2: some eighty to ninety percent of Brad Lander votes are
Speaker 2: ultimately going to end up with Mom Donnie. So in
Speaker 2: the wake of that crushing defeat, humiliating, I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't even put words to it how humiliating this is
Speaker 2: for Andrew Cuomo. Then it goes, you know, maybe he's
Speaker 2: not going to be able to continue, And in fact,
Speaker 2: it looks like, according to sources within the Cuomo camp,
Speaker 2: he is going to drop his New York City mayoral
Speaker 2: bid in New York phrasing here after blistering primary defeat
Speaker 2: to zoron Mom Donnie, and I think probably one of
Speaker 2: the things that happened here put a four B up
Speaker 2: on the screen is that a lot of his donors
Speaker 2: started to pull the plug. They're like, you know what, dude,
Speaker 2: you got your ass kicked by a thirty three year
Speaker 2: old who came out democratic socialist Muslim who came out
Speaker 2: of nowhere from one percent of the vote, and he
Speaker 2: beats you. And we threw twenty six million dollars in
Speaker 2: super pac ads against this guy, and you got your
Speaker 2: butt kicked. So listen to this, though, this is remarkable.
Speaker 2: One of these big donors says, you know what, I
Speaker 2: was just back in Guomo, not because I like the guy,
Speaker 2: but because I thought he was gonna win and he's transactional,
Speaker 2: and so I needed to make my corrupt deal. Specifically,
Speaker 2: he says, this is Mark Gordon that he's now likely to.
Speaker 4: Back Mom Donnie.
Speaker 2: That's because of the support Mom Donnie got from Brad Lander,
Speaker 2: who Gordon said he ranked first.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 2: I feel like people misunderstood my two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: k for Cuomo for real enthusiasm. It was basically, oh,
Speaker 2: looks like Cuomo's coming back. We don't want to be
Speaker 2: shut out. Let's try and get on his good side.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how things work with Cuomo. It's sad
Speaker 2: political pragmatism. I wish we lived in a world where
Speaker 2: those sorts of things were not useful things to do.
Speaker 2: The other thing I noted Sager, is that Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: who had endorsed Andrew Cuomo and even recorded a robo
Speaker 2: call for him and was, I guess, his highest profile endorsement,
Speaker 2: he also came out and said, you know, and was
Speaker 2: wishing Zorn good luck in November, so that was an
Speaker 2: indication to be as well.
Speaker 4: But you know, this is the thing for Cuomo too.
Speaker 2: Like, not only did you get humiliatingly defeated, not only
Speaker 2: did you run one of the most piss poor campaigns
Speaker 2: that all the New York experts say they've basically ever
Speaker 2: seen anyone run but people hate him. Yeah, Like he
Speaker 2: is a terrible person, and anyone who has an opportunity
Speaker 2: to stick a knife in this guy is going to
Speaker 2: because he is a tremendous asshole. Like this is not
Speaker 2: breaking news. Everyone knows this about him, and so you
Speaker 2: hear the way this donor talks about him, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get punished for not contributing us
Speaker 2: to his campaign. I wanted to be able to like
Speaker 2: make whatever corrupt business deals and do my transactional politics thing.
Speaker 2: That's what my two hundred and fifty k investment here was.
Speaker 2: It's not because I like the guy. So that's the
Speaker 2: other piece, is because he's such an asshole when people
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to stick the knife and some of
Speaker 2: them are going to do it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: It's also just such a massive referendum here on the
Speaker 3: Democratic establishment. CNN's harrowyet and did a good job of
Speaker 3: breaking some of this down. Let's play a six Please
Speaker 3: just explain it.
Speaker 7: This was a political earthquake that should have the Democratic
Speaker 7: establishment running scared. What are we talking about here, Well,
Speaker 7: New York City primary upsets like Mondani's, this is truly
Speaker 7: one for the record books. They're really only two that
Speaker 7: I could think of that or anything like this. And
Speaker 7: that's back in eighty nine for mayor, when David Dickens
Speaker 7: won over third three term mayor Ed Koch. Koch was
Speaker 7: running for a fourth term. The voter said, uh uh,
Speaker 7: there was big turnout then, just like there was big
Speaker 7: turnout last night. And of course more recently, if you
Speaker 7: want to take a look at a name national picture,
Speaker 7: think back to twenty eighteen New York's fourteenth Democratic primer
Speaker 7: going for Congress, when AOC House Caucus chair Joe Crowley.
Speaker 7: This to me is very much like that, energizing young voters,
Speaker 7: energizing voters on the left, and providing what truly was
Speaker 7: a historic night. You know, you think about democratic establishment,
Speaker 7: you think about Democratic party leaders, pretty much all of
Speaker 7: them were behind Andrew Cuomo. But the bottom line is
Speaker 7: the Democratic base is fed up, done with the Democratic establishment.
Speaker 7: This is true in New York, it's true nationally Democrats
Speaker 7: who say their party leaders should be replaced. Look at this.
Speaker 7: This is a recent poll from Ruyters zip so sixty
Speaker 7: two percent of Democrats nationally say their party leaders should
Speaker 7: be replaced. Democrats who identify as liberal nationally in nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety four, twenty five percent. You go to two thousand
Speaker 7: and four to thirty three percent, twenty fourteen, forty three percent.
Speaker 7: Now the majority of Democrats nationally identify as liberal.
Speaker 1: Well, take you to the bank. I think he is
Speaker 1: obviously correct.
Speaker 3: This is we've been talking about Democratic tea Party like,
Speaker 3: this is what it is. This is the Eric Canter
Speaker 3: loss in twenty fourteen, people being like, oh shit, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean Eric Canter famously spent more at the Capitol Grill,
Speaker 3: which is the steakhouse here in Washington on stakes than
Speaker 3: his opponent Dave Bratt spent on the entire campaign very similar.
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't even there, he was here, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And this is all old Washington lore.
Speaker 3: But it's important because you can see that these stories
Speaker 3: are as old as time. And yeah, look, I mean
Speaker 3: we haven't even really talked about We talked a lot
Speaker 3: about the Zoron campaign. He ran a very effective campaign.
Speaker 3: It was preposterous to make this thing whole about Israel.
Speaker 3: In fact, that's probably my best takeaway from this is
Speaker 3: APAC taking the biggest l of all time, doing second
Speaker 3: best amongst Jewish voters, but more importantly that the psyops
Speaker 3: don't work anymore. A lot of people are also waking
Speaker 3: up to it, and we can talk a little bit
Speaker 3: here about the establishment reaction, but there's even a split now,
Speaker 3: like on the right of people who are like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's Muslim and others. Even Matt gets tweeting out Zoron's
Speaker 3: video about make hahalal eight bucks again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder why this one? You know, it's again.
Speaker 3: You know, if you've never lived in New York, if
Speaker 3: you've never been to New York City, like the cost
Speaker 3: of living and inflation of literally everything is insane, Like
Speaker 3: it's insane.
Speaker 1: Even I don't even know.
Speaker 3: In the last ten years, every time I go back,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what what now? I don't drink anymore. It
Speaker 3: was at a bar recently and they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: twenty one dollar. I heard some recorder twenty two dollars
Speaker 3: cocktail and I was like, oh, what is that? It
Speaker 3: must be like some fancy mart. They're like, dude, this
Speaker 3: is like well vodka.
Speaker 1: I was like what. I was like, what has happened here? Yeah?
Speaker 3: But that's reality, that's life, from food to halal, and
Speaker 3: just talking about that is very important.
Speaker 1: So if we want we can move on to that
Speaker 1: and talk.
Speaker 2: About Yeah, well just one two quick things. So, first
Speaker 2: of all, all the questions about Israel actually allowed Zoran
Speaker 2: to position himself as the America first or a New
Speaker 2: York first candidate, where everyone else, Oh, I'm going to Israel,
Speaker 2: go to Ukraine, whatever, Zoran will you pledged to go
Speaker 2: to Israel. And he's like, I'm gonna be here in
Speaker 2: New York delivering for New Yorkers.
Speaker 4: Oh lo and behold.
Speaker 2: That's actually pretty compelling message when you know they're trying
Speaker 2: to pin you down as some anti Semite. And you know,
Speaker 2: he also had a fantastic answer to does does Israel
Speaker 2: have a right to exist as a Jewish state? And
Speaker 2: he says, as a state with equal rights? What you're
Speaker 2: against equal rights? That sounds to me like you're the
Speaker 2: one who needs to be explaining your worldview if that's
Speaker 2: where you are. So he handled all of that beautifully
Speaker 2: and I think it actually turned into an asset form
Speaker 2: which in you know, the city of New York, the
Speaker 2: highest Jewish population in the entire country, you know, incredibly
Speaker 2: significant vote, and he did quite well among Jewish voters.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the official numbers of whether he won
Speaker 2: Jewish voters or quoma one Jewish voters, but he did
Speaker 2: very well among Jewish voters. So forget about your caricaturish
Speaker 2: idea that every Jewish person out there is hardcore committed
Speaker 2: to net Yahoo's genocide. I mean, it's preposterous. That's actually
Speaker 2: racist and anti Semitic. So that's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: the thing that I said on election night, and of
Speaker 2: course it remains to be seen, is this could actually
Speaker 2: be the moment that a lot of us thought the
Speaker 2: Aos moment was, And the reason for it is because
Speaker 2: of those numbers that Harry Enton put up, where the
Speaker 2: Democratic base no longer is in league and in love
Speaker 2: with the Democratic establishment. In fact, they are disgusted with them.
Speaker 2: And so that is what has changed the possibilities and
Speaker 2: created this particular landscape. So we'll see how all this
Speaker 2: plays out, but I guarantee they're going to be more
Speaker 2: primary challenges. People are going to see this, they're going
Speaker 2: to be inspired. Twenty twenty eight is going to be
Speaker 2: very interesting, you know, because you no longer have the
Speaker 2: Democratic base just willing to go wherever the elite Democratic
Speaker 2: establishment tells them to go. That represents an extraordinary break
Speaker 2: of a sort that we have not seen in the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party in my lifetime. So that's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: it can put go ahead and just roll through these
Speaker 2: eric We've got, you know, Bill Clinton and Chuck Schumer
Speaker 2: and Keem Jefferies weighing in. Keem Jefferies and Schumer say
Speaker 2: congratulations effectively, and they're going to meet with him. But
Speaker 2: they still have and said they're endorsing him for the fall.
Speaker 2: This is your Democratic nominee in the city that you know.
Speaker 2: Schumer's obviously state wide, but Kim Jeffries, you know, represents
Speaker 2: a district inside of New York City, and you can't
Speaker 2: even say, like good luck in the fall, were behind you.
Speaker 2: This is your Democratic nominee. So to me, that's pathetic.
Speaker 2: But the fact that they even put on anything that
Speaker 2: was positive, I guess is noteworthy. And then here's Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: This was the one I found most noteworthy because he
Speaker 2: actually says I'm wishing you success in November. And as
Speaker 2: I said before, he had previously been behind Cuomo. So
Speaker 2: Clinton seems to be saying, all right, I'm with you
Speaker 2: now for the fall, for whatever that's worth. I mean,
Speaker 2: as a sort of leader in the Democratic Party. Jerry
Speaker 2: Nadler also very significant in terms of the New York
Speaker 2: Congressional delegation. Jerry Nadler also happens to be Jewish, so
Speaker 2: this is important too. And he says that Zorn's victory
Speaker 2: is a seismic election that I can only compare to
Speaker 2: Barack Obama's in two thousand and eight. He also concludes
Speaker 2: by saying, I've spoken to him today about his commitment
Speaker 2: to fight anti Semitism. We will work with all New
Speaker 2: Yorkers to fight against all bigotry and hate. So having
Speaker 2: the direct support of Jerry Nadler is considered the dean
Speaker 2: of the New York Congressional delegation also significant. So just quickly,
Speaker 2: before we move on to the CNBC meltdown and the
Speaker 2: Republican meltdown and all of that sort of stuff, which
Speaker 2: would be fun to get into. What's going to happen
Speaker 2: now is they'll wrap up the rank choice voting allocations.
Speaker 4: Orn's gonna win.
Speaker 2: He'll win by a wider margin than you know the
Speaker 2: numbers even show right now, and then it's on to
Speaker 2: the general election.
Speaker 1: Cuomo.
Speaker 2: Apparently corn of those sources, if they're to believed, is
Speaker 2: going to drop. Eric Adams, however, is still in, and
Speaker 2: then you have Curtis Leewa, who's the sort of public
Speaker 2: Republican nominee, is also in. So these people, you know
Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about Bill Ackman and these
Speaker 2: sorts who are desperate for anybody but Zoron are probably
Speaker 2: going to have to rally around Eric Adams, who is
Speaker 2: this hilarious idiot and cartoonishly corrupt by the way, and
Speaker 2: you remember he appeared to have made some corrupt deal
Speaker 2: with the Trump administration to have his charges against him dropped.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of their last best hope. And Eric
Speaker 2: Adams is pulling pathetically in the City of New York
Speaker 2: because he was a terrible mayor and as I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: cartoonishly corrupt, and the number of his aides who had
Speaker 2: to resign or were indicted over you know, various scandals.
Speaker 4: Is I lost count at some point.
Speaker 2: So he's not exactly the you know, the strongest person
Speaker 2: that you would would like to see if you're trying
Speaker 2: to stop Zoran and especially with the amount of momentum
Speaker 2: that he has at this time. So listen, they're gonna
Speaker 2: throw everything they can at him between now and the fall.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what sort of dirty tricks they're
Speaker 2: gonna pull, but I do think he's in a fairly
Speaker 2: strong position here, especially with Cuomo now stepping aside, because Quoma,
Speaker 2: in spite of also being scandal ridden and obviously people
Speaker 2: not having a particularly favorable impression of him, Cuomo is
Speaker 2: still a big name in New York. You know, Cuomo is,
Speaker 2: It's still a dynasty. He, you know, had all this
Speaker 2: establishment backing behind him, and so to have him out,
Speaker 2: I think Eric Adams is an even weaker There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about it. Eric Adams is an even weaker candidate
Speaker 2: than Andrew Cuomo was at this point.
Speaker 1: So let's get to the establishment freak out. It's been.
Speaker 3: It's been hilarious to watch CNBC, first of all, giving
Speaker 3: us some of the best talking about how the rich
Speaker 3: are going to get shot in the streets of New York.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8: If you've seen where what Batman is up against in
Speaker 8: Gotham and what the guy running for mayor is up against,
Speaker 8: that's what.
Speaker 9: It reminds you of.
Speaker 7: They're taking Wall streeters and make him walk out onto
Speaker 7: the ice.
Speaker 1: In the East River as and Hope and then they
Speaker 1: fall through.
Speaker 4: I mean there is a class warfare. That's so what's
Speaker 4: happened here?
Speaker 1: I think it is a rich type.
Speaker 10: It is not the closing of a steakhouse that David's
Speaker 10: house loft fights to and you like to go to.
Speaker 9: You and I have had dinner there a few times. Yes,
Speaker 9: and you and are going to recreate.
Speaker 4: The rents too high?
Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 10: The new mayor potentially of New York is going to
Speaker 10: freeze the rents and everybody eats for free so they
Speaker 10: don't have to worry. Really, yeah, but about the rich No, no,
Speaker 10: well not shot. Yes, they get taken a yated.
Speaker 9: We have to go twenty three.
Speaker 10: We have to leave now that somebody else there he is, mom,
Speaker 10: Donnie name the Democratic primary for mayor and potentially the
Speaker 10: successor of Eric Adams. That said, there's still a general
Speaker 10: election to come here.
Speaker 6: In New York.
Speaker 4: By the way, you know, of course we're here.
Speaker 10: We talked about it, but we are talking about a
Speaker 10: two trillion dollars economy.
Speaker 1: Is you know, he wants to get the rents down.
Speaker 10: One good way to do it is without ball business
Speaker 10: and drive everybody out.
Speaker 1: That'll bring the reds down.
Speaker 3: That's a very good put right a Jersey everybody. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I mean this, this gets again someone with my right
Speaker 3: wing annoyance of it as if New York is functioning fine.
Speaker 3: And I talked about this last time about all these
Speaker 3: billionaire people who are going to leave the city has
Speaker 3: become a playground for the rich. Anybody who has visited
Speaker 3: Manhattan in particular can tell you this. It's not a
Speaker 3: good way to live and sustain a multi million population.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason why people are turning against it.
Speaker 3: As I just referenced, let's think about this. If you
Speaker 3: grew up like I did in the nineties and someone
Speaker 3: was gonna tell you're gonna make one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: grand a year and be like, man, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: a baller show up in New York. It's like, good luck, buddy,
Speaker 3: You're gonna be waiting at number nineteen in the ResQue
Speaker 3: trying to get into the fiftieth best restaurant in New York.
Speaker 3: And look, I know this sounds preposterous, but a lot
Speaker 3: of people who live there, they live for this stuff,
Speaker 3: and it creates like a class anxiety kind of. So
Speaker 3: what you really see is that basically in least you
Speaker 3: make less than a quarter million dollars. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're living a very easy life in the city of
Speaker 3: New York. And that's part of the issue, is that
Speaker 3: a lot of it is basically like rolled up to
Speaker 3: the very top. I also think a huge problem with
Speaker 3: America cities is that they have become playgrounds, not just
Speaker 3: for the American rich, but for the global rich. Again,
Speaker 3: same thing if you walk around, if you're walking around
Speaker 3: Soho or any of these other people, half people are
Speaker 3: not even from here. They're like rich people from Russia, Senegal, wherever.
Speaker 3: The entire world's population converges on Manhattan to basically buy
Speaker 3: shit and to stay at fancy hotels and so and
Speaker 3: the money exactly.
Speaker 1: So it just becomes this thing on.
Speaker 3: Top of everything where you know, the guy who wants
Speaker 3: to eat hal all and just like live and go
Speaker 3: to work is just basically priced out of everything slowly
Speaker 3: and slowly and being pushed further out. And of course
Speaker 3: you have people who have lived in the city for
Speaker 3: generations where the same thing is happening. So it's a
Speaker 3: it's really an economic story, and it's one that Bloomberg
Speaker 3: really doubled down on. I mean, before that, it was
Speaker 3: not thought of as explicitly the playground for the rich
Speaker 3: of the entire global elite. There were pockets of that,
Speaker 3: but I don't think that was the actual identity and
Speaker 3: story of the city.
Speaker 1: But that's what it's become.
Speaker 3: So it's not a surprise to me that you have
Speaker 3: a rise up against it. I mean, there's a Peter
Speaker 3: Thiele email which has been going around and it's really funny,
Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, guys, like if you have he's
Speaker 3: like millennials turned towards socialism.
Speaker 1: He's like, I haven't posted socialism, but.
Speaker 3: When you live in a society with high levels student
Speaker 3: debt and housing on affordability, it will not be shocking
Speaker 3: that they will have less stake in the system and
Speaker 3: choose something new.
Speaker 9: There you go.
Speaker 1: It's not complicated to me, right literally at all.
Speaker 2: I think we also have to just like level set
Speaker 2: about the radicalism of the policies that he's proposing. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got these CNBC guys. It reminds me so much
Speaker 2: of Chris Matthews talked about how they're going to like
Speaker 2: take him in Central Park and shoot him if Ergie
Speaker 2: Sanders gets elected.
Speaker 4: Very you know, same vibe.
Speaker 2: We're talking about free buses, We're talking about five government
Speaker 2: run grocery stores.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is not like wild stuff.
Speaker 2: In fact, the bus thing pulls at like seventy or
Speaker 2: eighty percent in the city.
Speaker 4: Of New York.
Speaker 2: That's what they consider to be so radical and that
Speaker 2: they're completely panicking over. So, you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: important too to keep in mind that if you floated
Speaker 2: these policies in many cities worldwide, this would.
Speaker 4: Be like just very normal, small ball kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: When we talk about freeze the rent, this is just
Speaker 2: on apartments that are already rent stabilized. This is a
Speaker 2: policy that's put and put in place in the past,
Speaker 2: for example under Bill de Blasio. So it's really nothing
Speaker 2: that crazy Donald Trump has now weighed in. Not his
Speaker 2: finest post, I have to say, and you know, we
Speaker 2: all very much sure his posting abilities, but this was
Speaker 2: not his best work. Let's put this up on the
Speaker 2: screen from Trump, he says, it's finally happened. The Democrats
Speaker 2: have crossed the line. Zorn Mandani, a one hundred percent
Speaker 2: communist lunatic, has just won the Dumb primaries on his
Speaker 2: way to becoming mayor We've had radical lefties before, but
Speaker 2: this is getting a little ridiculous. He looks terrible, his
Speaker 2: voice is grading, he's not very smart. He's got AOC
Speaker 2: plus three, that's what he calls a squad dummies all
Speaker 2: backing him, and even our great Palestinian Senator Cryan Chuck
Speaker 2: Schumer is groveling over him. Yes, this is a big
Speaker 2: moment in the history of our country. I mean, to me,
Speaker 2: not only not his best work. Obviously, the consensus is
Speaker 2: that Zorn does not in fact look terrible, But to me,
Speaker 2: it just oozes with envy, Like I think for Trump
Speaker 2: to see the guy who's capturing all this attention and
Speaker 2: the city that Trump, you know, loves and made his
Speaker 2: name in and where he always wanted to be accepted
Speaker 2: by everyone and beloved by everyone, That's what I take
Speaker 2: out of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was more like a Fox News
Speaker 3: boomer reaction. They're going or obsessed, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Say it's not a good nickname. It's just like objectively untrue.
Speaker 3: In fact, something I like about Zoron is that he
Speaker 3: does wear a suit, and he is relatively clean cut.
Speaker 3: And you know, if his entire campaign basically conducted either
Speaker 3: in a shirt and shirts, leaves in a tie and
Speaker 3: or a suit everywhere that he goes. Let that be
Speaker 3: a lesson. Third bag democrats who look like shit all
Speaker 3: the time. Look shout out to John Fetterman. The only
Speaker 3: the most successful one now today is who is Zorn Mambani?
Speaker 1: So you should take that away.
Speaker 3: I will say, I do think that the reaction on
Speaker 3: the right is very interesting because there's a low IQ
Speaker 3: and a high IQ version.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna show you some of the lower IQ stuff.
Speaker 3: Let's put B three please up on the screen so
Speaker 3: people can take a look. We've got Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 3: tweeting out a photo of the Statue of Liberty in
Speaker 3: a burke or actually, no, that is what's the word.
Speaker 3: It's not a burke ni cop, I think that's what
Speaker 3: it technically is. Let's go to the next one, so
Speaker 3: just continue to show people.
Speaker 1: We've got Laura Lumer. There will be another nine to
Speaker 1: eleven in New York City's or on, Mom, Donnie will
Speaker 1: be to blame. What else have we got here? Do
Speaker 1: we have anything else?
Speaker 9: You did it?
Speaker 1: You finally did it, You maniacs, You blew it up.
Speaker 3: Photo from the movie showing the statue of liberty there
Speaker 3: crushed on the beach.
Speaker 1: Let's continue, shall we? Shall we continue?
Speaker 3: Bill Ackman says, I have a great idea on New
Speaker 3: York City, and I will share it again soon.
Speaker 1: His idea, by the way, is a writing campaign.
Speaker 4: Genius Bill, you know Billy doing.
Speaker 9: That's what he said.
Speaker 3: So, hey, Bill, here's my idea. Spend as much of
Speaker 3: your fortune as humanly possible. We could not wish you more.
Speaker 3: So he hasn't even picked the person. That's the best part.
Speaker 3: He just says he's going to fund a writing campaign.
Speaker 3: Let's continue. There's one more here we've got for people. Yes,
Speaker 3: as he says, we're looking into legal issues concerning potential
Speaker 3: for another candidate.
Speaker 1: That was his little idea.
Speaker 3: But you know, the thing is about it, and I
Speaker 3: guess you know this is the curse of like having
Speaker 3: knowledge is like guys. Zora On Mumdani is a Shia
Speaker 3: Indian Muslim. In his I found out his mother directed
Speaker 3: Kama Sutra. So I would venture to say that the
Speaker 3: majority of the Hindu population.
Speaker 1: In the United States is about ten times more conservative
Speaker 1: than zora on Mamdani. Sheia Muslim. His mom directed yea
Speaker 1: Kama Sutra. Just so we're all clear. Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 2: Hero invitation that he's like particularly religious in any way.
Speaker 3: He seems like a shit limb to me, to be honest,
Speaker 3: in terms of his own personal politics.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Fine with me.
Speaker 3: But my point is is that there's like this, the
Speaker 3: way that we the way that they're talking about this
Speaker 3: seems like it's two thousand and two all over again.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look, I understand.
Speaker 3: I guess it works, you know, if you live in
Speaker 3: Alabama or whatever. But I think what really the takeaway
Speaker 3: should be is about the effective combatants of the attacks
Speaker 3: that have been launch and ultimately the stuff about socialism
Speaker 3: and APAC just fell flat. I mean, I get it,
Speaker 3: it's probably feels really nice if you live in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: rural steel Town you don't know anything about New York
Speaker 3: and on watching Fox News every day. But for the
Speaker 3: people who actually live there, like this stuff just completely
Speaker 3: fell flat, and I think that should be a real takeaway.
Speaker 3: In fact, I mean, again, the smarter kind of right
Speaker 3: wing critiques that I have seen about Zoron, I mean
Speaker 3: mostly trace back to like his previous iteration as an
Speaker 3: identitarian leftist. Now I would say that actually shows some
Speaker 3: of his political strength. He probably ran one of the
Speaker 3: most post woke campaigns in modern left history. I would say, like,
Speaker 3: you know, I have not seen a lot of identitarianism
Speaker 3: from him. A lot of his twenty twenty tweets, I
Speaker 3: get it, it was cringe, but the man mostly talked
Speaker 3: about affordability. Mostly was like focusing in on issues that
Speaker 3: were important to like the democratic base, like capital d
Speaker 3: and then also driving people out and hammering home the
Speaker 3: message if we want to make this a city that
Speaker 3: is easier to live in. That's a good campaign. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that just is That is the takeaway from me.
Speaker 3: And so you have to watch like the way that
Speaker 3: they're trying to make him into a lightning rod. And
Speaker 3: I think this will be interesting for Zorn because he
Speaker 3: really guys like him, Like with aoc you know, you
Speaker 3: get elected on a great promise. But now he's on
Speaker 3: the phone with Chuck Schumer, he's on the phone with
Speaker 3: Kathy Hochel and listen, no matter what, New York is
Speaker 3: one of the richest cities on the planet. Like you're
Speaker 3: going to be dining with billionaires and having all these
Speaker 3: people in your offices, and people are gonna be lightening
Speaker 3: your phone up and you're going to be part of
Speaker 3: the democratic establishment now, even if you are technically oppositionally
Speaker 3: and you have a choice right, and so that actually
Speaker 3: will be his biggest test. It's not just governance, but
Speaker 3: in how he handles himself now is the official like
Speaker 3: democratic nominee and how that works has a lightning rod
Speaker 3: for what he'll turn himself into and what issues he
Speaker 3: chooses to fight on. That'll be the most interesting for
Speaker 3: me to watch.
Speaker 1: Could go the AOC route.
Speaker 2: He demonstrated a lot of pragmatism and coalition building in
Speaker 2: his campaign. I mean, the Bradlander cross endorsement was genuinely huge.
Speaker 2: Bradlanders the highest Jewish elected official in the city of
Speaker 2: New York, so having him vouch for Zoron and then
Speaker 2: cross endorsing like rank him first and me second massively impactful.
Speaker 2: And Lander Ryan described him as like the Elizabeth Warren
Speaker 2: of New York City. So you can imagine alternative universe
Speaker 2: where Warren instead of like accusing Bernie of being secretly sexist,
Speaker 2: where they're sort of been a coalition together. Now rank
Speaker 2: choice voting encourages those sorts of partnerships. But not only
Speaker 2: did he have that Cross endorsement. He also had Michael
Speaker 2: Blake Cross endorsement as well, and he reached out to
Speaker 2: the like abundance people went on with Derek Thompson went
Speaker 2: on with Tim Miller, who's, you know, more of a
Speaker 2: like centrist y kind of a dem We had him
Speaker 2: here on the show when soccer was out and really
Speaker 2: won them over as well. So he has demonstrated the
Speaker 2: ability both to obviously stayed rock solid in his commitment
Speaker 2: to Palestine, rock solid in terms of his policy proposals
Speaker 2: that he wanted to focus on, but was also able
Speaker 2: to be pragmatic and reach out. Just to go back
Speaker 2: to the Republican critique, first of all, I mean, so
Speaker 2: many of these are just like brazenly islamophobic and racist.
Speaker 4: That's number one.
Speaker 2: Number two, the one that's really driving completely insane is
Speaker 2: like Steven Miller and Charlie Kirk and others. But those
Speaker 2: are the two that I've seen prominently are claiming that
Speaker 2: the reason Zoron one is because of so many immigrants
Speaker 2: in New York guys, if only white people had voted,
Speaker 2: Zoron would have won by more so, like at least
Speaker 2: be accurate. I mean, the truth of the matter is
Speaker 2: it really is a coalition between He won white people
Speaker 2: and Asians by them most, but some of the numbers
Speaker 2: I saw also had him winning Hispanics and then closing
Speaker 2: the gap with what the polling was showing with regard
Speaker 2: to black voters and winning overwhelmingly among young black voters.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really was.
Speaker 2: A multiracial, cross ethnic coalition of both native born and
Speaker 2: immigrants into the city. And so if you're grappling with that,
Speaker 2: like you're just lying, you are not even you're not
Speaker 2: depicting reality whatsoever. And so you know, with Stephen Miller,
Speaker 2: like he's got his white nationalist project, and so he's
Speaker 2: using this as propaganda for his campaign, I have a
Speaker 2: feeling that he probably knows better. But if that's actually
Speaker 2: the lesson you're laying from this, you're not taking away
Speaker 2: the reality of what actually happened here, which to Soager's point,
Speaker 2: like Zorn's position, was, this city has been run for billionaires,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to run it for billionaires.
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to run it.
Speaker 2: For your average New Yorker who is really struggling to
Speaker 2: be able to stay in the city and survive. And
Speaker 2: it should be no surprise to anyone that that is
Speaker 2: a message that really resonated and resonated across the city.
Speaker 2: I mean he even won places in like Staten Island.
Speaker 2: He was winning like Brighton Beach. I mean places that
Speaker 2: people did not expect him to do well he was
Speaker 2: able to succeed. So in any case, a lot of
Speaker 2: the reaction has been unhinged. But you're right, Sager that
Speaker 2: some people on the right, Matt Gates was the most
Speaker 2: noteworthy one to me, actually engaged with the substance of
Speaker 2: what he was saying and sought to understand what the
Speaker 2: actual appeal was, not this like insane racist fear mongering
Speaker 2: that others were engaged in.
Speaker 3: I think Zoron's biggest difficulty is going to be running
Speaker 3: headlong into the reality of New York.
Speaker 1: Like I've talked about it here. On financing, it's like
Speaker 1: good luck, man.
Speaker 3: I mean, your literal tax base relies on like fifteen
Speaker 3: people who live in the city.
Speaker 1: That's a huge problem, huge problem.
Speaker 3: Like again, you know, the entrenched interest and the permitting
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I get that it's really bad,
Speaker 3: But what you think You're the first guy to ever
Speaker 3: notice that the taxicab union has too much power or
Speaker 3: that the permitting stuff for Halal. It's like it's a
Speaker 3: byzantine system free buses, right, It's like, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Last I checked, what is it? MTA is what half
Speaker 3: funded by Albany. There's always these huge fights between the
Speaker 3: governor and the actual mayor.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a decade's long thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I'm getting two in the weeds, but
Speaker 3: like that's actually what I think would be the failure
Speaker 3: of a mayoral campaign by him is to come in
Speaker 3: with these promises free baskets or whatever, and it can listen.
Speaker 3: I mean, these things are also you know, you can
Speaker 3: over promise and then dramatically underliver. Remember did New York
Speaker 3: pass like a right to housing or something like that
Speaker 3: they have a right to house in their shelter. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and that turned out to be a fucking mess whenever
Speaker 3: the migrant crisis broke out and basically nearly bankrupted the
Speaker 3: city and turned a huge portion of working class New
Speaker 3: Yorkers against immigration. And so you can see how these
Speaker 3: things can actually really like will not work out in
Speaker 3: the same in the way that you want it to,
Speaker 3: or can be overstretched. And you know this is the reality, Like,
Speaker 3: you're not the president of the United States, you're the
Speaker 3: mayor of New York. You've got city council that you have,
Speaker 3: and then you have the governor on top, so you're
Speaker 3: both like a figurehead with some power but not a
Speaker 3: whole lot of power. And then same on you know,
Speaker 3: policing again, like his old tweets on defund the police.
Speaker 3: I know he has recanted some of that stuff, but
Speaker 3: all it's going to take is like a moderate increase
Speaker 3: in crime and go, oh man, they will hang you
Speaker 3: out to dry in a second. So I see his
Speaker 3: I see the treachery for his path, even if he
Speaker 3: does get elected to be much more like in the
Speaker 3: nitty gritty of the reality.
Speaker 4: Of how it all has to govern effectively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I think it's just really hard
Speaker 3: in that city. I just don't I mean the way
Speaker 3: that it works. I mean, you haven't really this the
Speaker 3: political system in New York has just not worked for
Speaker 3: like decades.
Speaker 4: Well, there's there's two different potentials.
Speaker 2: You know, You've got Brandon Johnson in Chicago, who has
Speaker 2: an extremely low approval rating, has governed very poorly, has
Speaker 2: been unable to deliver on some significant promises he made
Speaker 2: in his campaign. And then there's Michelle wou in Boston
Speaker 2: who similarly, you know, elected quite young and has been
Speaker 2: quite successful and has been able to govern quite effectively,
Speaker 2: and also comes down of the left of the party
Speaker 2: and is really popular in the city. You know, I
Speaker 2: also I lived in New York City during the BUILDE.
Speaker 2: Blasio time, and so soccer your point about like the
Speaker 2: entrants that he'll be up against, it's extraordinary.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Luckily for Zoron, if he does, you know, win in
Speaker 2: the fall, he's not gonna have Andrew Cuomo as governor.
Speaker 2: Kathy Hochel is moderate, but Andrew Cuomo was actively in
Speaker 2: league with the Republicans. He and Deblasio despised each other
Speaker 2: openly open warfare, and he did everything he could to
Speaker 2: try to block Build A Blasio's core campaign promise of
Speaker 2: free pre k Now.
Speaker 4: Deblasio, to his credit.
Speaker 2: Was able to actually get that through, and it's been
Speaker 2: phenomenally successful and really important program in New York City,
Speaker 2: one of the few ways the New York City has
Speaker 2: really been able to expand services in a way that's
Speaker 2: you know, been quite impactful for for residents of the city,
Speaker 2: for ordinary you know, working class residents.
Speaker 4: Of the city.
Speaker 2: But Deblasio, who I think, you know, much less effective
Speaker 2: communicator than Zoron, doesn't have some of the star power
Speaker 2: of Doorn. But his mayoralty was really dragged down by
Speaker 2: a lot of those entrenched you know, the real estate
Speaker 2: developers and the battles with Cloma and all those sorts
Speaker 2: of things. So there is no doubt that Zoron gets
Speaker 2: in in the fall, he's going to have, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot that.
Speaker 4: He's going to have to cope with.
Speaker 2: Another thing people are pointing to is Brad Lander is
Speaker 2: currently the city controller and has I think is likely
Speaker 2: to be or potentially to be involved in Zorn's administration,
Speaker 2: and he is respected sort of broadly as being highly competent,
Speaker 2: certainly understands the ins and outs of how the city works.
Speaker 2: So assembling people like that on his team who do
Speaker 2: have that experience and that nohow are also going to
Speaker 2: be really critical.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of the unhinged dem reaction, because while we showed you
Speaker 2: some Democrats at least being willing to play ball, Bill
Speaker 2: Clinton actually saying okay, good luck in November, I've seen
Speaker 2: a bunch of the local county Democratic parties getting behind
Speaker 2: Zoron as well.
Speaker 4: There have been others.
Speaker 2: Let's go and put B five up on the screen
Speaker 2: and we can go through some of these.
Speaker 4: So you've got Dean.
Speaker 2: Phillips saying Democrats wishing to lose the twenty six mid
Speaker 2: terms should promote a thirty three year old socialist devoid
Speaker 2: of executive experience for mayor of America's largest city and
Speaker 2: impeach a president who ended a tyrannical regime's nuclear threat
Speaker 2: while achieving a ceasefire days later. So that is his
Speaker 2: Let's put the next one up on Sabrianna Wu of
Speaker 2: course weighing in here. It's an excellent piece. How can
Speaker 2: someone lead America's most important city if they want to
Speaker 2: burn down the democracy that makes our way of life
Speaker 2: in America possible?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What are you even talking about here? This is all
Speaker 2: over Zorn's defense of the phrase globalized the into fodder,
Speaker 2: which became you know, big fodder for the campaign, but
Speaker 2: in fact attack.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit? This stuff drives me.
Speaker 3: Serious again, Like you know, I live here in this city.
Speaker 3: I don't know Mayor Bowser's view of globalized the nor
Speaker 3: do I care, right, correct, stop the bums from nodding
Speaker 3: out and shooting up in the middle of the street
Speaker 3: and knocking on my window.
Speaker 1: That's it, That's all I actually care about.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's one of those things where, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we get lost in the sauce where I'm
Speaker 3: just so happy that this failed at the ballot box. Yes,
Speaker 3: I truly am, and that people were like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I think we might have a least
Speaker 2: staphonic reaction here. We can go to next where she's
Speaker 2: apparently already fund raising off of mom. Donnie was the
Speaker 2: next one, and then I think we had one last
Speaker 2: one that we could go to as well of uh oh,
Speaker 2: this is no surprise reverberation for mum Donnie winning ours.
Speaker 2: Now have a real life socialist to run against yell
Speaker 2: were warned this would happen. This was a response to
Speaker 2: stephonic fundraising off him. And then put the next one
Speaker 2: up on the screen. Andrew Cuomo should literally be sentenced
Speaker 2: to effing death for running the worst campaign in our
Speaker 2: history and letting a communist win.
Speaker 4: Literal death penalty. I am serious. So now who wants
Speaker 4: to eat for it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Who's doing the exp I would not Central Park, I
Speaker 2: guess the center.
Speaker 3: I would say maybe for letting people die in a
Speaker 3: nursing how about that?
Speaker 2: That's just me, you know, maybe that was a slightly
Speaker 2: more important and more important thing for you to be
Speaker 2: mad at Andrew Cuomo for is the fact that he,
Speaker 2: you know, put elderly people with COVID back in nursing
Speaker 2: homes where they infected other people and led to an
Speaker 2: increase in the death rate, and then let a cover
Speaker 2: up of it and lied about it to Congress and
Speaker 2: to Congress and yeah, we're hanging out with your brother
Speaker 2: and joking about your Yes.
Speaker 1: Look, years since we litigated this, but of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: we will never forget. Probably.
Speaker 3: Look, I think Zorn was a very effective candidate. I
Speaker 3: think he did well. It's obviously a shock to the
Speaker 3: democratic establishment. They would do well to listen for him personally. Really,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a great battle test. I think
Speaker 3: AOC dramatically failed that test and basically became like a
Speaker 3: woke stooge and was, you know, a hilarity. Also let
Speaker 3: down a lot of the progressive movement, and now she's
Speaker 3: trying to slowly come back after Trump won the election.
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure she'll ever regain that type of credibility.
Speaker 3: If he continues in this post woke campaign and tries
Speaker 3: to deliver, he has a shot, but I think he's
Speaker 3: up against absolutely insane odds, just considering the way that
Speaker 3: that system works. I'd read it a little bit about
Speaker 3: LaGuardia and how effective he was. Yeah, it just seems
Speaker 3: to me that those institutions are so decayed, and especially
Speaker 3: because at that time period it was just less captured
Speaker 3: by money.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he had to go up against
Speaker 2: the Tammany Hall in Trench, you know, political democratic, political
Speaker 2: astablishment of the parallels.
Speaker 3: It's not genuinely insurmountable, like it's like it's such an
Speaker 3: unlivable place in a way like affordability wise, and it's
Speaker 3: so captured by these titans, you know those what's that
Speaker 3: it starts with.
Speaker 1: A V like the Vornado realists.
Speaker 3: They own like all of Times Square, you know, and
Speaker 3: they can just shut you down. It's effectively like a
Speaker 3: private government of all of these landlords and all these
Speaker 3: other people who if they come and pool together, they
Speaker 3: can leverage their resources to basically buckle you. And not
Speaker 3: to mention they still own you know, City Hall, and
Speaker 3: then they always have Albany in their back pocket.
Speaker 1: It's such an insane state, and I would I would never.
Speaker 9: Want that job.
Speaker 2: I this, to be honest with you, this is making
Speaker 2: me miss New York City. So I love New York City, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I miss I miss living there.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a difficult.
Speaker 2: Place to live in a lot of ways, but it's
Speaker 2: also there's such there's just so such vibrancy, you know,
Speaker 2: the truly like the melting pot, all the different ethnicities
Speaker 2: and all the different neighborhoods and character like you could
Speaker 2: explore or that city for your whole life and still
Speaker 2: be surprised.
Speaker 4: By the things that you find.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Zorin has rekindled my sort of
Speaker 2: love affair with that city. But you're not wrong about
Speaker 2: the odds that he's up against, you know. I will
Speaker 2: say he ran a very effective campaign, demonstrate a lot
Speaker 2: of sort of like managerial competence, didn't have any like
Speaker 2: weird woke left wing meltdowns within the campaign. Staff was
Speaker 2: highly competent. They executed full lawlessly and he's got a
Speaker 2: lot of important allies who do have experience in the city.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't think the residents of New
Speaker 2: York are looking for him to be able to effectuate
Speaker 2: the socialist revolution and have you know, make their lives
Speaker 2: like I don't think they. I think they understand he's
Speaker 2: not going to have a magic wand is what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say.
Speaker 4: So it's going to be crucial that he.
Speaker 2: Deliver on some of these key promises that people can
Speaker 2: notice that they can sink their teeth into that make
Speaker 2: them feel like, Okay, he did what he's at least
Speaker 2: trying in fighting to do the things that he said
Speaker 2: that he was going to do, and critically that he's
Speaker 2: you know, an effective, competent manager. The trash is getting
Speaker 2: picked up, the snow is getting removed, all the sorts.
Speaker 1: Of crime services.
Speaker 3: And then make sure that you at least can tangibly
Speaker 3: show people on cost, because that's what screws every you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes they'll tangibly deliver on services, but then the crime
Speaker 3: goes up. And it's like again, if you look at
Speaker 3: all of the history, it's so so difficult just because
Speaker 3: again you don't really have like total power over it,
Speaker 3: and there's so many intersecting interest groups. But it'll be interesting,
Speaker 3: it'll definitely be interesting to watch. Elly, all right, let's
Speaker 3: get to Scott Horton.
Speaker 1: He's standing by joining us now. Is Scott Horton.
Speaker 3: He is the director of the Libertarian Institute and the
Speaker 3: author of Provoked and great friend of the show.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you man, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 9: Thank you both very much for having me this morning.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got a lot of Iran stuff to get
Speaker 1: to with you. Scott.
Speaker 3: First and foremost is a new statement from the Iyatola Comane.
Speaker 3: Let's go and put it up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: He's spoken out for the very first time. There was
Speaker 3: some speculation as to whether he'd been disappeared. Basically this
Speaker 3: entire time, nobody really knows where he is, striking a
Speaker 3: defiant tone there, basically declaring victory over the US regime
Speaker 3: in his so it is interesting at least.
Speaker 1: For what some of the posturing is. We also have bosting.
Speaker 3: From the Iranians with this idea that their nuclear program
Speaker 3: has not actually been all that severely degraded. This is
Speaker 3: now a massive fight here in Washington. As you and
Speaker 3: I are speaking right now, the Defense Secretary Pete Heggsath
Speaker 3: is berating the media for reporting the previous intelligence estimate,
Speaker 3: and we also have the Director of National Intelligence, Telsea
Speaker 3: Gabbard coming out backing up Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We can put that up.
Speaker 3: There on the screen, says new Intelligence confirms that the
Speaker 3: POTUS has stated numerous times Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed.
Speaker 3: If they choose to rebuild, they would have to rebuild
Speaker 3: all facilities entirely, which would take years to do so.
Speaker 1: She then goes after the propaganda media.
Speaker 3: So, first your reaction to that, and I understand you
Speaker 3: also wanted to expand a little bit on some comments
Speaker 3: you've made previously here on the show.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I really, well, I'm ultimately still right anyway in
Speaker 8: the end, but I oversimplified a point when I was
Speaker 8: talking about uranium versus plutonium nukes and Iran's various potential
Speaker 8: roots to the bomb, and you guys comments section called
Speaker 8: me out immediately and correctly. So the first thing was
Speaker 8: just a complete scrip where I just mixed up Batman
Speaker 8: and little Boy.
Speaker 9: Little Boy was the Hiroshima bomb.
Speaker 8: Batman was the Nagasaki bomb, which wasn't I did get
Speaker 8: this part right. Was the plutonium implosion bomb, and that
Speaker 8: is almost universally the type of bomb that is miniaturized
Speaker 8: and married to missiles. What I overstated was I think
Speaker 8: I said that it was virtually impossible to make a
Speaker 8: uranium implosion bomb, which is not really right.
Speaker 9: That was oversimplified. The real point is.
Speaker 8: If because Iran has no plutonium root to the bomb,
Speaker 8: because they don't have they didn't never mind what's been
Speaker 8: bombed now, but they never had a reprocessing facility necessary
Speaker 8: to clean the impurities out of plutonium to use it
Speaker 8: for weapons fuel, so they didn't have that root to
Speaker 8: the bomb at all, and then their uranium root to
Speaker 8: the bomb. The presumption was that if they made a bomb,
Speaker 8: it would be a gun type nuke.
Speaker 9: Because that would be the easiest and cheapest to make.
Speaker 8: That if they raced to a bomb, they could do
Speaker 8: that quickly, whereas if they were It is possible to
Speaker 8: make an implosion bomb out of uranium, but it's much
Speaker 8: more complicated and would require a lot more testing. And
Speaker 8: there have been a bunch of false accusations about them
Speaker 8: working on those implosion systems at parch In, for example,
Speaker 8: which turned out to be a bunch of propaganda that
Speaker 8: was later debunked. But so my point still stands in
Speaker 8: that if they had broken out from the treaty and
Speaker 8: said we're going to make nukes.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: They could either race toward a gun type nuke, which
Speaker 8: is essentially undeliverable, or they could plow it along and
Speaker 8: try to get an implosion type bomb and figure out
Speaker 8: how to make one and marry that to a missile.
Speaker 8: And I believe that must have been what the intelligence
Speaker 8: assessment had been referring to a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 8: saying that it would take them up to three years
Speaker 8: to have that done if they had were openly seeking.
Speaker 8: So the point essentially still remained. It was just that
Speaker 8: I had screwed up, first of all, the names of
Speaker 8: the bombs we dropped on Truman dropped on Japan, which
Speaker 8: is a stupid error. And then secondly, I had essentially
Speaker 8: just overstated the limitations of a uranium bomb, and that
Speaker 8: essentially they would be forced to make a gun type
Speaker 8: nuke and would not have an implosion option available, which
Speaker 8: is not correct. It just it would take a lot
Speaker 8: more effort for them to do so, and it would
Speaker 8: give America is there, a lot more time to launch
Speaker 8: an aggressive war against them in order to prevent them
Speaker 8: from getting that far.
Speaker 9: So that point essentially still stands.
Speaker 8: And I believe I made that same screw up on
Speaker 8: Pierce Morgan and on the Jimmy Door Show. So this counts,
Speaker 8: I hope as corrections for those two. Actually try to
Speaker 8: invite myself back onto both to correct the same error,
Speaker 8: because I really hate being wrong about anything. People in
Speaker 8: my position are positioned trying to oppose these wars.
Speaker 9: We can't afford to be wrong.
Speaker 8: And I certainly was not trying to, you know, oversimplify,
Speaker 8: to deceive anyone or anything.
Speaker 9: But physicial did so. So I want to make sure
Speaker 9: that we get that straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we appreciate your commitment to that kind of precision. Scott,
Speaker 2: It's part of what gives you so much credibility here.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of the battle over the
Speaker 2: intelligence assessment of how badly damaged these nuclear nuclear facilities
Speaker 2: ultimately were?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know what, not in the real benefit
Speaker 8: of the doubt sense, But just my feeling is I
Speaker 8: think Trump is probably right that the dam which was
Speaker 8: you know, what they were hoping to get. And part
Speaker 8: of that is just because I know of the precision,
Speaker 8: their ability that they've had for many years to be
Speaker 8: able to drop a missile right down a chimney flight
Speaker 8: in a window. It's been this way since the Rock
Speaker 8: War one. And for them to drop a dozen or
Speaker 8: more fourteen I guess it was. They said, thirty thousand
Speaker 8: pounds shape charge. You know, these these these charges are
Speaker 8: meant to blast right down and they're thirty thousand pounds,
Speaker 8: and then they drop them over and over and over
Speaker 8: down the same few holes. I imagine they can get
Speaker 8: quite a bit of damage done down there.
Speaker 9: And now their question was.
Speaker 8: Whether they had destroyed, you know, all the urious centrifuge
Speaker 8: facilities and so forth. I'm really not sure about that obviously,
Speaker 8: but you know, Seymour Hirsch had a thing where his
Speaker 8: sources are telling him that they actually didn't think that
Speaker 8: they could reach all the centrifuge facilities down there, and
Speaker 8: that wasn't what they were trying to do. Instead, they
Speaker 8: decided that they would just essentially hit every entrance and
Speaker 8: every air shaft and every tunnel available and to just
Speaker 8: seal the place off. Anybody down there be buried alive
Speaker 8: and no one on the surface that would be able
Speaker 8: to get down there again. And the one option would
Speaker 8: be that they would be able to do you know,
Speaker 8: a major mine shaft type operation like they did this
Speaker 8: rescue mission that he refers to years ago I think
Speaker 8: in Peru or South Africa or something with these guys
Speaker 8: were buried very deep down for a very long time,
Speaker 8: and they did get down there. But then we can
Speaker 8: bomb him when they're in the middle of trying that
Speaker 8: would essentially be the threat, right, So that sounds the
Speaker 8: least credible to me that they know what they're doing.
Speaker 8: We're talking about the US Air Force. Can they put
Speaker 8: firepower on a target and collapse the tunnel?
Speaker 9: Sure they can so.
Speaker 8: And then they did, virtually, I believe, you know, destroy
Speaker 8: everything of real value at Isfahan, which is where they
Speaker 8: had the conversion facilities where you take the uranium ore
Speaker 8: turn it to yellow cake and then refine that or
Speaker 8: convert that as they call it, to uranium hexafluoride gas,
Speaker 8: which you need to enrich up to higher and higher
Speaker 8: percentages of you two, three to five. Then you have
Speaker 8: to convert it back into metal again. And they apparently destroyed.
Speaker 9: All of that.
Speaker 8: And then, by the way, so there's this guy David
Speaker 8: Albright as a group called Isis which he called it
Speaker 8: that before the Islamic State guys.
Speaker 9: And he's kind of a very pro israel simp.
Speaker 8: You know, I don't really like him, but I do
Speaker 8: respect his technical expertise.
Speaker 9: And his group has put out a pretty.
Speaker 8: Thorough report from commercial satellite pictures that they got where
Speaker 8: they run through fod Oh, Isfahan, Natance, and a couple others.
Speaker 8: Apparently there's been severe damage done at Natans as well.
Speaker 8: And I think Trump's crowing because the Air Force is
Speaker 8: telling him we did it, and he and by the way,
Speaker 8: this is announced yesterday that they're going to have talks
Speaker 8: next week, and it seems like Trump's position is going
Speaker 8: to be, look, man, I destroyed virtually your entire program.
Speaker 8: No point in rebuilding it because I'll just bomb it again.
Speaker 8: So just don't. And then, as he put it yesterday,
Speaker 8: I don't even think we need a new nuclear deal.
Speaker 8: We're just going to go on. They're just going to
Speaker 8: not have a nuclear program anymore. And I'm not really
Speaker 8: sure about that. The AA to Hole obviously has a
Speaker 8: huge incentive to be defiant, as he was in that speech.
Speaker 8: There's probably a likelihood that it's true, as they bragged
Speaker 8: that they already have another secret facility up and running,
Speaker 8: or at least they're working on getting it.
Speaker 9: And I've been warning all along.
Speaker 8: I'd be happy to be about this, I don't care,
Speaker 8: but the anti war forces in America have warned all
Speaker 8: along that the threat, of course is that if we
Speaker 8: attack them, then they'll make a nuke, Whereas this whole
Speaker 8: time they had acquired essentially a latent deterrent instead of
Speaker 8: going as far as having an actual nuclear weapons.
Speaker 9: So flip a coin, I guess we'll see how it
Speaker 9: works out right.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Scott.
Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to parse this language, and if you really
Speaker 3: do look at it precisely, like for example, we can
Speaker 3: put the next one up there.
Speaker 1: This from the CIA director.
Speaker 3: The CIA Director John Ratcliffe released his statement, CIA can
Speaker 3: confirm a body of credible intelligence indicates Eron's nuclear program
Speaker 3: has quote been severely damaged by the recent targeted strikes.
Speaker 3: This includes new intelligence, et cetera. But the word severely
Speaker 3: damaged is what really struck to me, because I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I know that Trump and the politicians are rhetorically, but
Speaker 3: obliteration to me means basically non existent, whereas severely damaged
Speaker 3: is more in the realm of well, it's technically repairable.
Speaker 3: Especially when you pile on top the secret facilities. Like
Speaker 3: you said, I also do believe that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of intra governmental leaking going on, because what's the incentive
Speaker 3: of somebody leaking saying that the strike wasn't all that credible. Well,
Speaker 3: we got to go back and we got to go
Speaker 3: to do it again, right, And so then there's a
Speaker 3: lot of politicization here of the intelligence as well. So
Speaker 3: parsing those two things, you still think, like you said,
Speaker 3: that secret facility is technically a possibility, but it may
Speaker 3: not necessarily be months as that initial initial assessment said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's so much that we just don't know yet.
Speaker 8: But and I think the most important variable in it
Speaker 8: all is the Iyatolus reaction. Either we just made him
Speaker 8: mad and now and and plus all the guys around
Speaker 8: him too, they're all just going to be demanding, you know.
Speaker 9: Further, you know, nuclear development.
Speaker 8: We'll just build a new isfahan, We'll just build a
Speaker 8: new nutence, We'll just do whatever we have to do
Speaker 8: to keep going. Or is it the case that, hey,
Speaker 8: the United States of America called his bluff and ultimately
Speaker 8: their latent nuclear deterrent wasn't enough to stop US and
Speaker 8: their mid range missile deterrent wasn't enough, and they didn't
Speaker 8: dare right.
Speaker 9: They shot. And this is such an important point too.
Speaker 8: This is the madman i Atola who only wants to
Speaker 8: bring on the apocalypse. He's willing to lose his whole
Speaker 8: nation in a first strike against Israel. They've told us
Speaker 8: for twenty five years here or some point there. But
Speaker 8: now he did the same thing that Trump did after
Speaker 8: he killed Solomani, and previous to that, in the summer
Speaker 8: of nineteen when they had their back and forth over
Speaker 8: Katibal Hesblah in Iraq, which is a Shite militia backed
Speaker 8: by Iran there and back and forth between them and Americans,
Speaker 8: they shot down the drone.
Speaker 9: I believe it was in the summer of nineteen, and
Speaker 9: then it.
Speaker 8: Was after Solimani in the beginning of twenty they bombed
Speaker 8: the empty corner of an American base in Iraqi, Curdistan,
Speaker 8: which did give guys some concussions and things. It wasn't
Speaker 8: completely harmless, but it was obviously meant to be essentially
Speaker 8: a symbolic response, the same thing that they did when
Speaker 8: the Israelis killed the Hamas leader in Tehran in a bombing,
Speaker 8: and then they also had struck the Iranian consulate in
Speaker 8: Syria and killed important Iranian officials there. They launched that
Speaker 8: missile salvo at Israel, but they announced it beforehand and said,
Speaker 8: you know, especially get all of your defenses ready. This
Speaker 8: is because the Ayatola, I'm sure be terrible to live there.
Speaker 8: But he is essentially cautious in foreign policy because and
Speaker 8: I'm sorry I'm repeating myself, but I've been saying this
Speaker 8: for a very long time. If you're the Ayatola, what
Speaker 8: are you gonna do with a problem like the USA?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 8: America has an incredibly powerful air force. Even with conventional weapons,
Speaker 8: we could obliterate Iran cities and they couldn't do nothing
Speaker 8: to us. They couldn't sail a boat within a thousand
Speaker 8: miles of our shores ever.
Speaker 9: Right, So what's he gonna do?
Speaker 8: Just get into a brawl with Donald Trump and lose
Speaker 8: so badly when he could try to calm it down.
Speaker 9: And so what do you do?
Speaker 8: He launched an attack at an American base in Iraq,
Speaker 8: and an American base are most important based at Cutter,
Speaker 8: Sentcom headquarters at al You did air base in Cutter
Speaker 8: and as Trump said in a tweet, thank you very
Speaker 8: much for the prior warning that you're going to launch
Speaker 8: this symbolic attack and let us, you know, shoot it
Speaker 8: down and this kind of thing. So the Iatola there
Speaker 8: was telegraphing very obviously, I do not want to fight you.
Speaker 9: Please, let's call this off.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's almost like we're here to do now.
Speaker 9: He's too he could drop ted tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like they're rational actors and not the
Speaker 2: like you know, end time psychopaths that we've been sold
Speaker 2: on who are ready to nuke Kansas at the moment
Speaker 2: that they have the opportunity, or Tel Aviv for that matter.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the other nation state
Speaker 2: involved in this conflict.
Speaker 4: That would be Israel.
Speaker 2: Guys, if you could put see five up on the screen,
Speaker 2: this is, you know, the axis between the American neo
Speaker 2: cons and also the Israelis. You've got ark Levin here
Speaker 2: praising net Nyaho for his new speech thing. Israelies have
Speaker 2: never been more united, the air world has never been
Speaker 2: more appreciative. Net Nyaho is a truly remarkable leader. And
Speaker 2: this is with regards to speech where Nat Yahoo says
Speaker 2: we must complete the campaign against the Iranian Axis, defeat MS,
Speaker 2: bring about the release of all of our hostages, and
Speaker 2: he says in there as well, we have.
Speaker 4: No intention of taking our foot off the gas.
Speaker 2: We must complete the campaign against the Iranian Axis. At
Speaker 2: the same time, guys, if you could put C three
Speaker 2: B up on the screen, this was a truth from Trump,
Speaker 2: which I will spare you reading all of this way
Speaker 2: too long thing, but in essence, here he is praising
Speaker 2: bb net Nyahoo lavishly and calling for the corruption charges
Speaker 2: which he has been facing inside of Israel to be dropped.
Speaker 2: He says he's been going through this horror show with
Speaker 2: regard to these corruption charges since May have twenty twenty
Speaker 2: unheard of.
Speaker 4: This is the first time a.
Speaker 2: Sitting Israeli prime minister has ever been on trial, and
Speaker 2: calls them politically motivated. So, in any case, what do
Speaker 2: you make of how the Israelis are assessing this moment?
Speaker 2: And you know, what do you think is going on
Speaker 2: here with this Trump truth in praise of Netanyahu.
Speaker 9: Well, I think everything's coming up lakud, right.
Speaker 8: I mean, they have been, you know, largely successful in
Speaker 8: the annihilation of the society that Palestinians and the Gaza
Speaker 8: strip the settlers are on the move, expanding in the
Speaker 8: West Bank. They've taken all the territory up to the
Speaker 8: Latani River in southern Lebanon and taken a major chunk
Speaker 8: out of Syria. They've completed, with the help of the Turks,
Speaker 8: the al Qaeda revolution and takeover of Syria and the
Speaker 8: end of the Bathist regime there, which was led by
Speaker 8: Ola Whites who were close to the sites.
Speaker 9: And close to Iran.
Speaker 8: They, you know, through the pager attack and aerial attacks,
Speaker 8: they have severely crippled Hesbala as well as has killed
Speaker 8: their leader, Nocerala. They got America to come in and
Speaker 8: help them to severely cripple at the very least Iran's
Speaker 8: nuclear program.
Speaker 9: We don't know exactly, you know, as we've been.
Speaker 8: Talking about what the how that's going to play out
Speaker 8: with the consequences of that will be. They still have
Speaker 8: the hooth thees and the hooth These are hard to kill.
Speaker 8: Barack Obama and Donald Trump already tried to kill them,
Speaker 8: and Joe Biden a little bit for about eight years
Speaker 8: there and didn't win anything. All they did was, you know,
Speaker 8: wars the health of the state unless you lose, and
Speaker 8: in this case, they didn't lose, and so the people
Speaker 8: of Yemen are more united around their government now than
Speaker 8: probably ever before under you know what the academics call
Speaker 8: the rally around the flag effect. I know a reporter
Speaker 8: that I interviewed years ago, or I've interviewed them a
Speaker 8: ton of times. I'm Nasser Arabi from Sannah, said, oh,
Speaker 8: we're all hooth these now, not that they are, but
Speaker 8: the same way Americans supported George W.
Speaker 9: Bush.
Speaker 8: Somebody attacks us, then it's us versus you, if that's
Speaker 8: how it is. And as he put it to me,
Speaker 8: he said, well, George Bush is from Texas, right, but
Speaker 8: when he's the president of the country, he's not just
Speaker 8: a Texan. He's the president of the country and he's
Speaker 8: respected as such by the people of the whole country,
Speaker 8: not just the Texans of course. So it's the same
Speaker 8: thing when the sites from the Sada province are in charge.
Speaker 8: You attack the country, you attack the country. And now
Speaker 8: there are splits, and you know in the south they
Speaker 8: have the STC and all that, but overall, the who
Speaker 8: the these have proven to be a very difficult target to
Speaker 8: take out from the air, and who's going to send
Speaker 8: in ground troops there? And This goes back to are
Speaker 8: hypothetical about Iran, which I sort of trailed off instead
Speaker 8: of wrapping up that. If they decide to double down
Speaker 8: on their nuclear program, then we go back to what
Speaker 8: Netnyahu said the other day, which is, you know what
Speaker 8: would solve this problem permanently killing the Ayatola and having
Speaker 8: a regime change there one way or the other, which
Speaker 8: they may even be able to accomplish by air if
Speaker 8: they have real intelligence. Trump threatened, I know exactly where
Speaker 8: you are. I could kill you right now if I
Speaker 8: wanted to the other day, you know, if a week ago,
Speaker 8: and so.
Speaker 9: By the by their logic, if if.
Speaker 8: They're right, if even uh the guys uh you know
Speaker 8: Mark Dubois from the Foundation for Defensive Democracies saying, well,
Speaker 8: now that Israel started this war, America better go in
Speaker 8: there with their big bunker busters efficient or else now
Speaker 8: they're going to break out toardon nuke. Well, they still
Speaker 8: might now try to break out toward nuke, in which
Speaker 8: case the logic is that the problem isn't solved yet.
Speaker 8: We got to keep killing Mola's until the problem is solved,
Speaker 8: until we comparachute in a monarch, or we can have
Speaker 8: maybe we'll have Alkeada interact takeover in Iran too, since
Speaker 8: they've done such a great job in Syria for US.
Speaker 3: You know, listen, you know that Donald Trumpler is shaking
Speaker 3: the guy's hand and uh uh shaking the guy's had.
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 8: He has a very strong past. Trump said, look it up.
Speaker 8: He told Frontline. He's like, yeah, I killed American soldiers
Speaker 8: in Mosul and Ramadi.
Speaker 9: That's the strong pass that Trump's referring to.
Speaker 8: It.
Speaker 3: Well, we got to take out the Eyetola because American soldiers.
Speaker 8: And this goes the whole thing. Israel's en the means
Speaker 8: are the she Heites. But it was not Hasbala that
Speaker 8: knocked our towers down. I'm sorry, I'm such a broken
Speaker 8: record on this, but this is all treason because the
Speaker 8: Likude hates Iran. Right, But America could have normalize relations
Speaker 8: with Iran back in the nineteen nineties. Hell Ron Reagan
Speaker 8: was selling the missiles in the mid nineteen eighties after Beirut.
Speaker 8: Within a couple of years, he's selling the missiles so
Speaker 8: big in Brazilski and Alexander Haigh wanted to normalize relations
Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety three, the Iyatola came begging George W.
Speaker 8: Bush to get along with the Golden Offer in two
Speaker 8: thousand and two. So, you guys hate the Taliban, you
Speaker 8: guys hate Saddam Hussein, you guys hate al Qaeda, let's
Speaker 8: work together. Yeah, And the neo conservatives said no, because
Speaker 8: Israel hates the shea Hites more. Now, somehow that matters
Speaker 8: more than who hit the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you one last question here, which is
Speaker 2: the Iranians are trying to claim and assert some sort
Speaker 2: of victory and project that they effectively, like were able
Speaker 2: to effect enough damage inside of Israel that Israel felt
Speaker 2: the need to accept this ceasefire. And there was reporting
Speaker 2: about Israel running low on interceptors. And I think the
Speaker 2: other way they're claiming victory is basically like you all
Speaker 2: wanted to destroy us and collapse the government, and the
Speaker 2: government is still here and our nation is still here.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of, you know, their sort
Speaker 2: of celebration and their claiming of a victory in these circumstances.
Speaker 8: Well, in the first case, there there may be some
Speaker 8: truth to that that they still have missiles in reserve
Speaker 8: and Israel's running out of sparrows and iron domes and
Speaker 8: patriots and whatever that they had to shoot them down with.
Speaker 9: There may be some truth to them.
Speaker 8: I'm sure there was some pressure on the Israelis on
Speaker 8: their side of it, because a lot more missiles did
Speaker 8: get through than they thought. As far as the second part,
Speaker 8: I think that's sort of propaganda, you know, trying to
Speaker 8: portray a little bit of a position of strength there,
Speaker 8: you know, domestically, trying to save a little bit of
Speaker 8: face there. But it was I think it was Donald
Speaker 8: Trump that that said we're calling a halt here short
Speaker 8: of regime change. I think if he had given met
Speaker 8: Yahoo permission to keep going where it'd shared the intelligence
Speaker 8: is where we think the Ayah Toola is go ahead
Speaker 8: and get him, then they absolutely could go that far.
Speaker 8: You know, anybody could probably just picture, you know, just
Speaker 8: from memory, B fifty two's over North Vietnam, just what
Speaker 8: they call carpet bombing, just pouring dumb bombs out of
Speaker 8: the belly of those gigantic heavy bomber planes that we have.
Speaker 8: And there's pictures people seeing profile pictures of B two's
Speaker 8: doing the same. But the B fifty twos, especially America,
Speaker 8: could really devastate. He it was credible when he ordered
Speaker 8: Donald Trump, don't forget, ordered the evacuation of Tehran. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and the implication, you know, it was like, geez, I
Speaker 8: don't think he's going to nuke him, but what is
Speaker 8: he going to do?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 9: What is even the.
Speaker 8: Implication there are now in the implication, which was the
Speaker 8: most minimal one was just, oh, he was going to
Speaker 8: encourage the Israelis to keep hitting government targets in that city.
Speaker 9: He was.
Speaker 8: They weren't going for terror bombing of the neighborhoods on
Speaker 8: the vast scale that they could. But boy, even that
Speaker 8: threat sure sounded like it and was going very far here.
Speaker 8: So I would expect for the population and the political
Speaker 8: establishment inside Iran to be more radicalized and more defiant
Speaker 8: than ever. It's only natural, really, unless the ayah Toola
Speaker 8: just slams his fist down, says no, I'm in charge here,
Speaker 8: and I say, boy, we better be conciliatory now because
Speaker 8: of our position of weakness, which.
Speaker 9: I think is doubtful, right, But that's what it would take.
Speaker 8: It would take him telling, you know, shouting at everybody
Speaker 8: else to shut up. I'm the one deciding, and I've
Speaker 8: decided that we're going to have to play a little
Speaker 8: bit meek in the face of this madman or whatever.
Speaker 8: But I don't know how anyone could fairly expect that
Speaker 8: to be the result of this.
Speaker 3: Frankly, we'll see Scott. Thank you so much for joining us, man,
Speaker 3: We appreciate your analysis.
Speaker 4: Great to see us guy.
Speaker 9: Thank you both so much. Yeah, I really appreciates you.
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