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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. Have an amazing show for

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Speaker 1: everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do, as you guys probably already know, Zoron

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Speaker 2: Mondani has shocked the establishment in New York City and nationwide.

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Speaker 2: So we have some updates for you there, including Andrew

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Speaker 2: Cuomo is dropping his bid so what does this mean

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Speaker 2: for the general election?

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Speaker 4: And also the big freakout is on.

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Speaker 2: We got the Republican freakout, we got the Business CNBC freakout,

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Speaker 2: we got the Democratic establishment freakout, and I'm also really

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Speaker 2: excited to get Sager's take on the whole thing and

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Speaker 2: what it all means. Also, lots of news continuing to

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Speaker 2: unfold with regard to Iron. The Great Scott Horton is

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Speaker 2: going to join us to break the latest down. The

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Speaker 2: Ayatola has emerged with a message. There's actually a press

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Speaker 2: conference going on today with Pete Hegseth as the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration continues to insist that those strikes were successful in

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Speaker 2: obliterating Iran's nuclear program.

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Speaker 4: So we will get all of those details.

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Speaker 2: Also a couple of interesting media appearances, one from Joy

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Speaker 2: Reid who drops some real truth bombs on CNN. I

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Speaker 2: guess now that she's unshackled from MSNBC, it's interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch her go so play that. And we also had

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Speaker 2: a great Candice Owen's clip from Piers Morgan that we

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Speaker 2: keep our eye on the fact that the one big,

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Speaker 2: beautiful bill is moving. President Trump is pushing for this

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Speaker 2: to be passed rapidly, in spite of the fact that

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Speaker 2: some Republican leaders are expressing deep concern about the political

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Speaker 2: fallout of the Medicaid cuts. Also have a couple of

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Speaker 2: additional interesting media segments. So Bernie Sanders joined Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 2: got some clips from that, and another Joe Rogan linked

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Speaker 2: segment we're going to do here. So disgraced men's lifestyle

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Speaker 2: influencer Liver King was just arrested for making terroristic threats

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Speaker 2: against Joe Rogan. So we'll break down all of that

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Speaker 2: for you. It was just a wild story. He's clearly

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Speaker 2: had a complete mental.

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Speaker 4: Break at this time.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And for those asking what the tie in is

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Speaker 3: is because this show actually was featured in the Liver

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Speaker 3: King Netflix documentary at the end, and so we have

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Speaker 3: to bring things even more full circle continuing our coverage

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Speaker 3: of the situation. Also, it's been a really very serious

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Speaker 3: two weeks, so you know, let's let's do something that.

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Speaker 3: Let's written it up a little bit. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it's always fun to see an influencer fall from

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Speaker 4: I mean, especially this guy complete he's a total artist.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, if you guys haven't watched, I watched the

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Speaker 2: Netflix documentary on Liver King last night with Kyle, and

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Speaker 2: I knew your monologue was in it, yes, but it

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Speaker 3: Got you know that's that's where you guys watched the show.

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Speaker 3: You're ahead of the curve. We were one of the

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Speaker 3: And no, it wasn't for clicks. I had been fascinated

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Speaker 3: by the story. It is quite a long time. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's get to zoron. You guys did a great job

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Speaker 3: of covering all the election results live. But a lot

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, So to back up, we'll start with Zoramandani

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Speaker 5: Tonight, we made history. In the words of Nelson Mandela,

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Speaker 5: it always seems impossible until it is done. And I

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Speaker 5: want to thank Brad Lander. Together we shown the power

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Speaker 6: As FDR said, democracy has disappeared in several other great nations,

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Speaker 6: not because the people disliked democracy, but because they had

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Speaker 6: confusion and weakness. In desperation, they chose to sacrifice liberty

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Speaker 1: Hope of getting something to eat. New York.

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Speaker 6: If we have made one thing clear over these past months,

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Speaker 2: So you get a little taste there of the talent

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Speaker 2: The expectation was this would be, you know, heavily leaning

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Speaker 2: I mean, technically it hasn't been called yet, has got

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Speaker 2: He did best in racially mixed precincts. Here, Cuomo did

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Speaker 2: This was to me some of the most fascinating breakdowns

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Speaker 2: Among the very poor and among the very rich so

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Speaker 4: But that's really where he had his strength.

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Speaker 2: And then we don't have these numbers, but there was

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Speaker 2: Donnie was so strong with young voters and did something

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Speaker 2: leftist campaigns off and promised to do, which is to

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Speaker 2: It appears that Zorn, in addition to winning groups that

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Speaker 2: you know, typical New York City mayoral elections ultimately are.

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Speaker 4: And that's how he's able to secure.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of Oh, he's the real candidate of

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Speaker 3: the rich, and he's the candidate of the poor. Again,

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Speaker 3: this is going to sound crazy for people who are

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Speaker 3: I know this sounds nuts to everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Who lives.

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Speaker 3: But if you've ever lived in New York, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So that's my you know, first kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: But also, you know, at the same time, I do

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Speaker 1: Mom, Donnie did very well in a lot of these

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I don't think it

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Speaker 3: But also, look, I mean all of this like working

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Speaker 3: In fact, middle class suburbanites, if they hadn't voted for Trump,

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Speaker 3: it's not a surprise like the Democratic Party broadly appeals

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Speaker 3: And so when you, you know, put that into a

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Speaker 3: to me, the only thing that matters is winning, and

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Speaker 3: in the general election is of course an open question.

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Speaker 3: We have the news about Andrew cuomo potential. Is he

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Speaker 2: So just to explain, in New York there are multiple

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Speaker 4: And Andrew Cuomo already.

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Speaker 2: Was going to be on one of the non Democratic

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Speaker 7: This was a political earthquake that should have the Democratic

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Speaker 7: This to me is very much like that, energizing young voters,

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Speaker 7: a historic night. You know, you think about democratic establishment,

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Speaker 7: the Democratic base is fed up, done with the Democratic establishment.

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Speaker 7: ninety four, twenty five percent. You go to two thousand

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Speaker 1: Well, take you to the bank. I think he is

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Speaker 3: This is we've been talking about Democratic tea Party like,

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Speaker 2: About Yeah, well just one two quick things. So, first

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Speaker 2: Apparently corn of those sources, if they're to believed, is

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Speaker 2: going to drop. Eric Adams, however, is still in, and

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Speaker 2: then you have Curtis Leewa, who's the sort of public

440
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Speaker 2: Republican nominee, is also in. So these people, you know

441
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Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about Bill Ackman and these

442
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Speaker 2: sorts who are desperate for anybody but Zoron are probably

443
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Speaker 2: going to have to rally around Eric Adams, who is

444
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Speaker 2: this hilarious idiot and cartoonishly corrupt by the way, and

445
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: you remember he appeared to have made some corrupt deal

446
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Speaker 2: with the Trump administration to have his charges against him dropped.

447
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Speaker 2: But that's kind of their last best hope. And Eric

448
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Speaker 2: Adams is pulling pathetically in the City of New York

449
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Speaker 2: because he was a terrible mayor and as I just mentioned,

450
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Speaker 2: cartoonishly corrupt, and the number of his aides who had

451
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Speaker 2: to resign or were indicted over you know, various scandals.

452
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Speaker 4: Is I lost count at some point.

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Speaker 2: So he's not exactly the you know, the strongest person

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Speaker 2: that you would would like to see if you're trying

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Speaker 2: to stop Zoran and especially with the amount of momentum

456
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Speaker 2: that he has at this time. So listen, they're gonna

457
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Speaker 2: throw everything they can at him between now and the fall.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what sort of dirty tricks they're

459
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Speaker 2: gonna pull, but I do think he's in a fairly

460
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Speaker 2: strong position here, especially with Cuomo now stepping aside, because Quoma,

461
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Speaker 2: in spite of also being scandal ridden and obviously people

462
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Speaker 2: not having a particularly favorable impression of him, Cuomo is

463
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Speaker 2: still a big name in New York. You know, Cuomo is,

464
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Speaker 2: It's still a dynasty. He, you know, had all this

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Speaker 2: establishment backing behind him, and so to have him out,

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Speaker 2: I think Eric Adams is an even weaker There's no

467
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Speaker 2: doubt about it. Eric Adams is an even weaker candidate

468
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Speaker 2: than Andrew Cuomo was at this point.

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Speaker 1: So let's get to the establishment freak out. It's been.

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Speaker 3: It's been hilarious to watch CNBC, first of all, giving

471
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Speaker 3: us some of the best talking about how the rich

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Speaker 3: are going to get shot in the streets of New York.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: If you've seen where what Batman is up against in

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Speaker 8: Gotham and what the guy running for mayor is up against,

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Speaker 8: that's what.

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Speaker 9: It reminds you of.

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Speaker 7: They're taking Wall streeters and make him walk out onto

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Speaker 7: the ice.

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Speaker 1: In the East River as and Hope and then they

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Speaker 1: fall through.

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Speaker 4: I mean there is a class warfare. That's so what's

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Speaker 4: happened here?

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Speaker 1: I think it is a rich type.

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Speaker 10: It is not the closing of a steakhouse that David's

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Speaker 10: house loft fights to and you like to go to.

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Speaker 9: You and I have had dinner there a few times. Yes,

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Speaker 9: and you and are going to recreate.

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Speaker 4: The rents too high?

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Speaker 9: You know what?

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Speaker 10: The new mayor potentially of New York is going to

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Speaker 10: freeze the rents and everybody eats for free so they

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Speaker 10: don't have to worry. Really, yeah, but about the rich No, no,

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Speaker 10: well not shot. Yes, they get taken a yated.

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Speaker 9: We have to go twenty three.

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Speaker 10: We have to leave now that somebody else there he is, mom,

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Speaker 10: Donnie name the Democratic primary for mayor and potentially the

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Speaker 10: successor of Eric Adams. That said, there's still a general

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Speaker 10: election to come here.

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Speaker 6: In New York.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you know, of course we're here.

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Speaker 10: We talked about it, but we are talking about a

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Speaker 10: two trillion dollars economy.

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Speaker 1: Is you know, he wants to get the rents down.

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Speaker 10: One good way to do it is without ball business

506
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Speaker 10: and drive everybody out.

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Speaker 1: That'll bring the reds down.

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Speaker 3: That's a very good put right a Jersey everybody. I mean, look,

509
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Speaker 3: I mean this, this gets again someone with my right

510
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Speaker 3: wing annoyance of it as if New York is functioning fine.

511
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Speaker 3: And I talked about this last time about all these

512
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Speaker 3: billionaire people who are going to leave the city has

513
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Speaker 3: become a playground for the rich. Anybody who has visited

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Speaker 3: Manhattan in particular can tell you this. It's not a

515
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Speaker 3: good way to live and sustain a multi million population.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason why people are turning against it.

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Speaker 3: As I just referenced, let's think about this. If you

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Speaker 3: grew up like I did in the nineties and someone

519
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Speaker 3: was gonna tell you're gonna make one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: grand a year and be like, man, I'm gonna be

521
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Speaker 3: a baller show up in New York. It's like, good luck, buddy,

522
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Speaker 3: You're gonna be waiting at number nineteen in the ResQue

523
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Speaker 3: trying to get into the fiftieth best restaurant in New York.

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Speaker 3: And look, I know this sounds preposterous, but a lot

525
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Speaker 3: of people who live there, they live for this stuff,

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Speaker 3: and it creates like a class anxiety kind of. So

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Speaker 3: what you really see is that basically in least you

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Speaker 3: make less than a quarter million dollars. I don't think

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Speaker 3: you're living a very easy life in the city of

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Speaker 3: New York. And that's part of the issue, is that

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Speaker 3: a lot of it is basically like rolled up to

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Speaker 3: the very top. I also think a huge problem with

533
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Speaker 3: America cities is that they have become playgrounds, not just

534
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Speaker 3: for the American rich, but for the global rich. Again,

535
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Speaker 3: same thing if you walk around, if you're walking around

536
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Speaker 3: Soho or any of these other people, half people are

537
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: not even from here. They're like rich people from Russia, Senegal, wherever.

538
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Speaker 3: The entire world's population converges on Manhattan to basically buy

539
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Speaker 3: shit and to stay at fancy hotels and so and

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Speaker 3: the money exactly.

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Speaker 1: So it just becomes this thing on.

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Speaker 3: Top of everything where you know, the guy who wants

543
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Speaker 3: to eat hal all and just like live and go

544
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Speaker 3: to work is just basically priced out of everything slowly

545
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Speaker 3: and slowly and being pushed further out. And of course

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Speaker 3: you have people who have lived in the city for

547
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Speaker 3: generations where the same thing is happening. So it's a

548
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Speaker 3: it's really an economic story, and it's one that Bloomberg

549
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: really doubled down on. I mean, before that, it was

550
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Speaker 3: not thought of as explicitly the playground for the rich

551
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Speaker 3: of the entire global elite. There were pockets of that,

552
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Speaker 3: but I don't think that was the actual identity and

553
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Speaker 3: story of the city.

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Speaker 1: But that's what it's become.

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Speaker 3: So it's not a surprise to me that you have

556
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Speaker 3: a rise up against it. I mean, there's a Peter

557
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Thiele email which has been going around and it's really funny,

558
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, guys, like if you have he's

559
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Speaker 3: like millennials turned towards socialism.

560
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Speaker 1: He's like, I haven't posted socialism, but.

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Speaker 3: When you live in a society with high levels student

562
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Speaker 3: debt and housing on affordability, it will not be shocking

563
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Speaker 3: that they will have less stake in the system and

564
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Speaker 3: choose something new.

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Speaker 9: There you go.

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Speaker 1: It's not complicated to me, right literally at all.

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Speaker 2: I think we also have to just like level set

568
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Speaker 2: about the radicalism of the policies that he's proposing. I mean,

569
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Speaker 2: you've got these CNBC guys. It reminds me so much

570
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Speaker 2: of Chris Matthews talked about how they're going to like

571
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Speaker 2: take him in Central Park and shoot him if Ergie

572
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Speaker 2: Sanders gets elected.

573
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Speaker 4: Very you know, same vibe.

574
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Speaker 2: We're talking about free buses, We're talking about five government

575
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Speaker 2: run grocery stores.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is not like wild stuff.

577
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Speaker 2: In fact, the bus thing pulls at like seventy or

578
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Speaker 2: eighty percent in the city.

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Speaker 4: Of New York.

580
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Speaker 2: That's what they consider to be so radical and that

581
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Speaker 2: they're completely panicking over. So, you know, I think it's

582
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Speaker 2: important too to keep in mind that if you floated

583
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Speaker 2: these policies in many cities worldwide, this would.

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Speaker 4: Be like just very normal, small ball kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about freeze the rent, this is just

586
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Speaker 2: on apartments that are already rent stabilized. This is a

587
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Speaker 2: policy that's put and put in place in the past,

588
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: for example under Bill de Blasio. So it's really nothing

589
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: that crazy Donald Trump has now weighed in. Not his

590
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: finest post, I have to say, and you know, we

591
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: all very much sure his posting abilities, but this was

592
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: not his best work. Let's put this up on the

593
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: screen from Trump, he says, it's finally happened. The Democrats

594
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: have crossed the line. Zorn Mandani, a one hundred percent

595
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: communist lunatic, has just won the Dumb primaries on his

596
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: way to becoming mayor We've had radical lefties before, but

597
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: this is getting a little ridiculous. He looks terrible, his

598
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: voice is grading, he's not very smart. He's got AOC

599
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: plus three, that's what he calls a squad dummies all

600
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: backing him, and even our great Palestinian Senator Cryan Chuck

601
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: Schumer is groveling over him. Yes, this is a big

602
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: moment in the history of our country. I mean, to me,

603
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: not only not his best work. Obviously, the consensus is

604
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Speaker 2: that Zorn does not in fact look terrible, But to me,

605
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: it just oozes with envy, Like I think for Trump

606
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: to see the guy who's capturing all this attention and

607
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: the city that Trump, you know, loves and made his

608
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: name in and where he always wanted to be accepted

609
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Speaker 2: by everyone and beloved by everyone, That's what I take

610
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Speaker 2: out of this.

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was more like a Fox News

612
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: boomer reaction. They're going or obsessed, absolutely.

613
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Speaker 1: Say it's not a good nickname. It's just like objectively untrue.

614
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Speaker 3: In fact, something I like about Zoron is that he

615
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: does wear a suit, and he is relatively clean cut.

616
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: And you know, if his entire campaign basically conducted either

617
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: in a shirt and shirts, leaves in a tie and

618
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: or a suit everywhere that he goes. Let that be

619
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Speaker 3: a lesson. Third bag democrats who look like shit all

620
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Speaker 3: the time. Look shout out to John Fetterman. The only

621
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Speaker 3: the most successful one now today is who is Zorn Mambani?

622
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Speaker 1: So you should take that away.

623
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Speaker 3: I will say, I do think that the reaction on

624
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Speaker 3: the right is very interesting because there's a low IQ

625
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: and a high IQ version.

626
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna show you some of the lower IQ stuff.

627
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Speaker 3: Let's put B three please up on the screen so

628
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Speaker 3: people can take a look. We've got Marjorie Taylor Green

629
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Speaker 3: tweeting out a photo of the Statue of Liberty in

630
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Speaker 3: a burke or actually, no, that is what's the word.

631
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Speaker 3: It's not a burke ni cop, I think that's what

632
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: it technically is. Let's go to the next one, so

633
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: just continue to show people.

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Speaker 1: We've got Laura Lumer. There will be another nine to

635
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Speaker 1: eleven in New York City's or on, Mom, Donnie will

636
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Speaker 1: be to blame. What else have we got here? Do

637
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Speaker 1: we have anything else?

638
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 9: You did it?

639
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: You finally did it, You maniacs, You blew it up.

640
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Speaker 3: Photo from the movie showing the statue of liberty there

641
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Speaker 3: crushed on the beach.

642
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Speaker 1: Let's continue, shall we? Shall we continue?

643
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: Bill Ackman says, I have a great idea on New

644
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Speaker 3: York City, and I will share it again soon.

645
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Speaker 1: His idea, by the way, is a writing campaign.

646
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Speaker 4: Genius Bill, you know Billy doing.

647
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Speaker 9: That's what he said.

648
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: So, hey, Bill, here's my idea. Spend as much of

649
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Speaker 3: your fortune as humanly possible. We could not wish you more.

650
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Speaker 3: So he hasn't even picked the person. That's the best part.

651
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Speaker 3: He just says he's going to fund a writing campaign.

652
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Speaker 3: Let's continue. There's one more here we've got for people. Yes,

653
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Speaker 3: as he says, we're looking into legal issues concerning potential

654
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Speaker 3: for another candidate.

655
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Speaker 1: That was his little idea.

656
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Speaker 3: But you know, the thing is about it, and I

657
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Speaker 3: guess you know this is the curse of like having

658
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: knowledge is like guys. Zora On Mumdani is a Shia

659
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Speaker 3: Indian Muslim. In his I found out his mother directed

660
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: Kama Sutra. So I would venture to say that the

661
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: majority of the Hindu population.

662
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Speaker 1: In the United States is about ten times more conservative

663
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: than zora on Mamdani. Sheia Muslim. His mom directed yea

664
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Speaker 1: Kama Sutra. Just so we're all clear. Yeah, there's a.

665
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: Hero invitation that he's like particularly religious in any way.

666
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: He seems like a shit limb to me, to be honest,

667
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: in terms of his own personal politics.

668
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Speaker 1: Whatever, Fine with me.

669
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Speaker 3: But my point is is that there's like this, the

670
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: way that we the way that they're talking about this

671
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: seems like it's two thousand and two all over again.

672
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Speaker 1: But I mean, look, I understand.

673
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Speaker 3: I guess it works, you know, if you live in

674
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: Alabama or whatever. But I think what really the takeaway

675
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: should be is about the effective combatants of the attacks

676
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: that have been launch and ultimately the stuff about socialism

677
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: and APAC just fell flat. I mean, I get it,

678
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: it's probably feels really nice if you live in Pennsylvania,

679
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: rural steel Town you don't know anything about New York

680
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: and on watching Fox News every day. But for the

681
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: people who actually live there, like this stuff just completely

682
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: fell flat, and I think that should be a real takeaway.

683
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: In fact, I mean, again, the smarter kind of right

684
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: wing critiques that I have seen about Zoron, I mean

685
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: mostly trace back to like his previous iteration as an

686
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: identitarian leftist. Now I would say that actually shows some

687
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: of his political strength. He probably ran one of the

688
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: most post woke campaigns in modern left history. I would say, like,

689
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: you know, I have not seen a lot of identitarianism

690
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: from him. A lot of his twenty twenty tweets, I

691
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: get it, it was cringe, but the man mostly talked

692
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: about affordability. Mostly was like focusing in on issues that

693
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: were important to like the democratic base, like capital d

694
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 3: and then also driving people out and hammering home the

695
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: message if we want to make this a city that

696
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: is easier to live in. That's a good campaign. I mean,

697
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that just is That is the takeaway from me.

698
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: And so you have to watch like the way that

699
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: they're trying to make him into a lightning rod. And

700
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: I think this will be interesting for Zorn because he

701
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: really guys like him, Like with aoc you know, you

702
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: get elected on a great promise. But now he's on

703
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: the phone with Chuck Schumer, he's on the phone with

704
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Kathy Hochel and listen, no matter what, New York is

705
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: one of the richest cities on the planet. Like you're

706
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: going to be dining with billionaires and having all these

707
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: people in your offices, and people are gonna be lightening

708
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: your phone up and you're going to be part of

709
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: the democratic establishment now, even if you are technically oppositionally

710
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: and you have a choice right, and so that actually

711
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: will be his biggest test. It's not just governance, but

712
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: in how he handles himself now is the official like

713
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: democratic nominee and how that works has a lightning rod

714
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: for what he'll turn himself into and what issues he

715
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: chooses to fight on. That'll be the most interesting for

716
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: me to watch.

717
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Could go the AOC route.

718
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: He demonstrated a lot of pragmatism and coalition building in

719
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: his campaign. I mean, the Bradlander cross endorsement was genuinely huge.

720
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Bradlanders the highest Jewish elected official in the city of

721
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 2: New York, so having him vouch for Zoron and then

722
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: cross endorsing like rank him first and me second massively impactful.

723
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: And Lander Ryan described him as like the Elizabeth Warren

724
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: of New York City. So you can imagine alternative universe

725
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: where Warren instead of like accusing Bernie of being secretly sexist,

726
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: where they're sort of been a coalition together. Now rank

727
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: choice voting encourages those sorts of partnerships. But not only

728
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: did he have that Cross endorsement. He also had Michael

729
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Blake Cross endorsement as well, and he reached out to

730
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: the like abundance people went on with Derek Thompson went

731
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: on with Tim Miller, who's, you know, more of a

732
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: like centrist y kind of a dem We had him

733
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: here on the show when soccer was out and really

734
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: won them over as well. So he has demonstrated the

735
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: ability both to obviously stayed rock solid in his commitment

736
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: to Palestine, rock solid in terms of his policy proposals

737
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: that he wanted to focus on, but was also able

738
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: to be pragmatic and reach out. Just to go back

739
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: to the Republican critique, first of all, I mean, so

740
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: many of these are just like brazenly islamophobic and racist.

741
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: That's number one.

742
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: Number two, the one that's really driving completely insane is

743
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: like Steven Miller and Charlie Kirk and others. But those

744
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: are the two that I've seen prominently are claiming that

745
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: the reason Zoron one is because of so many immigrants

746
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: in New York guys, if only white people had voted,

747
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: Zoron would have won by more so, like at least

748
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: be accurate. I mean, the truth of the matter is

749
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: it really is a coalition between He won white people

750
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: and Asians by them most, but some of the numbers

751
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: I saw also had him winning Hispanics and then closing

752
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: the gap with what the polling was showing with regard

753
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: to black voters and winning overwhelmingly among young black voters.

754
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it really was.

755
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: A multiracial, cross ethnic coalition of both native born and

756
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: immigrants into the city. And so if you're grappling with that,

757
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: like you're just lying, you are not even you're not

758
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: depicting reality whatsoever. And so you know, with Stephen Miller,

759
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: like he's got his white nationalist project, and so he's

760
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: using this as propaganda for his campaign, I have a

761
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: feeling that he probably knows better. But if that's actually

762
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: the lesson you're laying from this, you're not taking away

763
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: the reality of what actually happened here, which to Soager's point,

764
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: like Zorn's position, was, this city has been run for billionaires,

765
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to run it for billionaires.

766
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to run it.

767
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: For your average New Yorker who is really struggling to

768
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: be able to stay in the city and survive. And

769
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: it should be no surprise to anyone that that is

770
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: a message that really resonated and resonated across the city.

771
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean he even won places in like Staten Island.

772
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: He was winning like Brighton Beach. I mean places that

773
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: people did not expect him to do well he was

774
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: able to succeed. So in any case, a lot of

775
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: the reaction has been unhinged. But you're right, Sager that

776
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: some people on the right, Matt Gates was the most

777
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: noteworthy one to me, actually engaged with the substance of

778
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: what he was saying and sought to understand what the

779
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: actual appeal was, not this like insane racist fear mongering

780
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: that others were engaged in.

781
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: I think Zoron's biggest difficulty is going to be running

782
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: headlong into the reality of New York.

783
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: Like I've talked about it here. On financing, it's like

784
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: good luck, man.

785
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean, your literal tax base relies on like fifteen

786
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: people who live in the city.

787
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: That's a huge problem, huge problem.

788
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: Like again, you know, the entrenched interest and the permitting

789
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I get that it's really bad,

790
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: But what you think You're the first guy to ever

791
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: notice that the taxicab union has too much power or

792
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: that the permitting stuff for Halal. It's like it's a

793
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: byzantine system free buses, right, It's like, yeah, we'll see.

794
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Last I checked, what is it? MTA is what half

795
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: funded by Albany. There's always these huge fights between the

796
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: governor and the actual mayor.

797
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a decade's long thing.

798
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I'm getting two in the weeds, but

799
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: like that's actually what I think would be the failure

800
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: of a mayoral campaign by him is to come in

801
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 3: with these promises free baskets or whatever, and it can listen.

802
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: I mean, these things are also you know, you can

803
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: over promise and then dramatically underliver. Remember did New York

804
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: pass like a right to housing or something like that

805
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 3: they have a right to house in their shelter. It's like, yeah,

806
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: and that turned out to be a fucking mess whenever

807
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: the migrant crisis broke out and basically nearly bankrupted the

808
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: city and turned a huge portion of working class New

809
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: Yorkers against immigration. And so you can see how these

810
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: things can actually really like will not work out in

811
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: the same in the way that you want it to,

812
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: or can be overstretched. And you know this is the reality, Like,

813
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: you're not the president of the United States, you're the

814
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: mayor of New York. You've got city council that you have,

815
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: and then you have the governor on top, so you're

816
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: both like a figurehead with some power but not a

817
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: whole lot of power. And then same on you know,

818
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: policing again, like his old tweets on defund the police.

819
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: I know he has recanted some of that stuff, but

820
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: all it's going to take is like a moderate increase

821
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: in crime and go, oh man, they will hang you

822
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: out to dry in a second. So I see his

823
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: I see the treachery for his path, even if he

824
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: does get elected to be much more like in the

825
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: nitty gritty of the reality.

826
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: Of how it all has to govern effectively.

827
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I think it's just really hard

828
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: in that city. I just don't I mean the way

829
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: that it works. I mean, you haven't really this the

830
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: political system in New York has just not worked for

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: like decades.

832
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, there's there's two different potentials.

833
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: You know, You've got Brandon Johnson in Chicago, who has

834
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: an extremely low approval rating, has governed very poorly, has

835
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: been unable to deliver on some significant promises he made

836
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: in his campaign. And then there's Michelle wou in Boston

837
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: who similarly, you know, elected quite young and has been

838
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: quite successful and has been able to govern quite effectively,

839
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: and also comes down of the left of the party

840
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: and is really popular in the city. You know, I

841
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: also I lived in New York City during the BUILDE.

842
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: Blasio time, and so soccer your point about like the

843
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: entrants that he'll be up against, it's extraordinary.

844
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: Now.

845
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: Luckily for Zoron, if he does, you know, win in

846
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: the fall, he's not gonna have Andrew Cuomo as governor.

847
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: Kathy Hochel is moderate, but Andrew Cuomo was actively in

848
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: league with the Republicans. He and Deblasio despised each other

849
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: openly open warfare, and he did everything he could to

850
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: try to block Build A Blasio's core campaign promise of

851
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: free pre k Now.

852
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: Deblasio, to his credit.

853
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Was able to actually get that through, and it's been

854
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: phenomenally successful and really important program in New York City,

855
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: one of the few ways the New York City has

856
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: really been able to expand services in a way that's

857
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, been quite impactful for for residents of the city,

858
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: for ordinary you know, working class residents.

859
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: Of the city.

860
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: But Deblasio, who I think, you know, much less effective

861
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: communicator than Zoron, doesn't have some of the star power

862
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: of Doorn. But his mayoralty was really dragged down by

863
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: a lot of those entrenched you know, the real estate

864
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: developers and the battles with Cloma and all those sorts

865
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: of things. So there is no doubt that Zoron gets

866
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: in in the fall, he's going to have, you know,

867
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: a lot that.

868
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 4: He's going to have to cope with.

869
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Another thing people are pointing to is Brad Lander is

870
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: currently the city controller and has I think is likely

871
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: to be or potentially to be involved in Zorn's administration,

872
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: and he is respected sort of broadly as being highly competent,

873
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: certainly understands the ins and outs of how the city works.

874
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: So assembling people like that on his team who do

875
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: have that experience and that nohow are also going to

876
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: be really critical.

877
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: Let's talk about a little bit.

878
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: Of the unhinged dem reaction, because while we showed you

879
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: some Democrats at least being willing to play ball, Bill

880
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Clinton actually saying okay, good luck in November, I've seen

881
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of the local county Democratic parties getting behind

882
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: Zoron as well.

883
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: There have been others.

884
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: Let's go and put B five up on the screen

885
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: and we can go through some of these.

886
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: So you've got Dean.

887
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: Phillips saying Democrats wishing to lose the twenty six mid

888
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: terms should promote a thirty three year old socialist devoid

889
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: of executive experience for mayor of America's largest city and

890
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: impeach a president who ended a tyrannical regime's nuclear threat

891
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: while achieving a ceasefire days later. So that is his

892
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Let's put the next one up on Sabrianna Wu of

893
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: course weighing in here. It's an excellent piece. How can

894
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: someone lead America's most important city if they want to

895
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: burn down the democracy that makes our way of life

896
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: in America possible?

897
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: Like?

898
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: What are you even talking about here? This is all

899
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: over Zorn's defense of the phrase globalized the into fodder,

900
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: which became you know, big fodder for the campaign, but

901
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: in fact attack.

902
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit? This stuff drives me.

903
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: Serious again, Like you know, I live here in this city.

904
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: I don't know Mayor Bowser's view of globalized the nor

905
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: do I care, right, correct, stop the bums from nodding

906
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: out and shooting up in the middle of the street

907
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: and knocking on my window.

908
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: That's it, That's all I actually care about.

909
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's one of those things where, uh,

910
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: you know, we get lost in the sauce where I'm

911
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: just so happy that this failed at the ballot box. Yes,

912
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: I truly am, and that people were like, yeah, this

913
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: is bullshit.

914
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I think we might have a least

915
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: staphonic reaction here. We can go to next where she's

916
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: apparently already fund raising off of mom. Donnie was the

917
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: next one, and then I think we had one last

918
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: one that we could go to as well of uh oh,

919
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: this is no surprise reverberation for mum Donnie winning ours.

920
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: Now have a real life socialist to run against yell

921
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: were warned this would happen. This was a response to

922
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: stephonic fundraising off him. And then put the next one

923
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: up on the screen. Andrew Cuomo should literally be sentenced

924
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: to effing death for running the worst campaign in our

925
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: history and letting a communist win.

926
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: Literal death penalty. I am serious. So now who wants

927
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: to eat for it?

928
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: Now?

929
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Who's doing the exp I would not Central Park, I

930
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: guess the center.

931
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: I would say maybe for letting people die in a

932
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 3: nursing how about that?

933
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: That's just me, you know, maybe that was a slightly

934
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: more important and more important thing for you to be

935
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: mad at Andrew Cuomo for is the fact that he,

936
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, put elderly people with COVID back in nursing

937
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: homes where they infected other people and led to an

938
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: increase in the death rate, and then let a cover

939
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: up of it and lied about it to Congress and

940
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: to Congress and yeah, we're hanging out with your brother

941
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: and joking about your Yes.

942
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Look, years since we litigated this, but of course, yeah,

943
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: we will never forget. Probably.

944
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: Look, I think Zorn was a very effective candidate. I

945
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: think he did well. It's obviously a shock to the

946
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: democratic establishment. They would do well to listen for him personally. Really,

947
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: it's going to be a great battle test. I think

948
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: AOC dramatically failed that test and basically became like a

949
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: woke stooge and was, you know, a hilarity. Also let

950
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: down a lot of the progressive movement, and now she's

951
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: trying to slowly come back after Trump won the election.

952
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure she'll ever regain that type of credibility.

953
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: If he continues in this post woke campaign and tries

954
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: to deliver, he has a shot, but I think he's

955
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: up against absolutely insane odds, just considering the way that

956
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: that system works. I'd read it a little bit about

957
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: LaGuardia and how effective he was. Yeah, it just seems

958
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: to me that those institutions are so decayed, and especially

959
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: because at that time period it was just less captured

960
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: by money.

961
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he had to go up against

962
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: the Tammany Hall in Trench, you know, political democratic, political

963
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: astablishment of the parallels.

964
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: It's not genuinely insurmountable, like it's like it's such an

965
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: unlivable place in a way like affordability wise, and it's

966
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: so captured by these titans, you know those what's that

967
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: it starts with.

968
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: A V like the Vornado realists.

969
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: They own like all of Times Square, you know, and

970
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: they can just shut you down. It's effectively like a

971
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: private government of all of these landlords and all these

972
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: other people who if they come and pool together, they

973
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: can leverage their resources to basically buckle you. And not

974
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: to mention they still own you know, City Hall, and

975
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: then they always have Albany in their back pocket.

976
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: It's such an insane state, and I would I would never.

977
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 9: Want that job.

978
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: I this, to be honest with you, this is making

979
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: me miss New York City. So I love New York City, Yeah,

980
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: I miss I miss living there.

981
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: I mean it's a difficult.

982
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: Place to live in a lot of ways, but it's

983
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: also there's such there's just so such vibrancy, you know,

984
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: the truly like the melting pot, all the different ethnicities

985
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: and all the different neighborhoods and character like you could

986
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: explore or that city for your whole life and still

987
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: be surprised.

988
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: By the things that you find.

989
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Zorin has rekindled my sort of

990
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: love affair with that city. But you're not wrong about

991
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: the odds that he's up against, you know. I will

992
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: say he ran a very effective campaign, demonstrate a lot

993
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: of sort of like managerial competence, didn't have any like

994
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: weird woke left wing meltdowns within the campaign. Staff was

995
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: highly competent. They executed full lawlessly and he's got a

996
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: lot of important allies who do have experience in the city.

997
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't think the residents of New

998
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: York are looking for him to be able to effectuate

999
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: the socialist revolution and have you know, make their lives

1000
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: like I don't think they. I think they understand he's

1001
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: not going to have a magic wand is what I'm

1002
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: trying to say.

1003
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: So it's going to be crucial that he.

1004
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Deliver on some of these key promises that people can

1005
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: notice that they can sink their teeth into that make

1006
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: them feel like, Okay, he did what he's at least

1007
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: trying in fighting to do the things that he said

1008
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: that he was going to do, and critically that he's

1009
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: you know, an effective, competent manager. The trash is getting

1010
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: picked up, the snow is getting removed, all the sorts.

1011
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Of crime services.

1012
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: And then make sure that you at least can tangibly

1013
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: show people on cost, because that's what screws every you know,

1014
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: sometimes they'll tangibly deliver on services, but then the crime

1015
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: goes up. And it's like again, if you look at

1016
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: all of the history, it's so so difficult just because

1017
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: again you don't really have like total power over it,

1018
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: and there's so many intersecting interest groups. But it'll be interesting,

1019
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: it'll definitely be interesting to watch. Elly, all right, let's

1020
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: get to Scott Horton.

1021
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: He's standing by joining us now. Is Scott Horton.

1022
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: He is the director of the Libertarian Institute and the

1023
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: author of Provoked and great friend of the show.

1024
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: It's good to see you man, Thanks for coming back.

1025
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 9: Thank you both very much for having me this morning.

1026
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got a lot of Iran stuff to get

1027
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: to with you. Scott.

1028
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: First and foremost is a new statement from the Iyatola Comane.

1029
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: Let's go and put it up there on the screen.

1030
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: He's spoken out for the very first time. There was

1031
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: some speculation as to whether he'd been disappeared. Basically this

1032
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: entire time, nobody really knows where he is, striking a

1033
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: defiant tone there, basically declaring victory over the US regime

1034
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: in his so it is interesting at least.

1035
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: For what some of the posturing is. We also have bosting.

1036
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 3: From the Iranians with this idea that their nuclear program

1037
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: has not actually been all that severely degraded. This is

1038
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: now a massive fight here in Washington. As you and

1039
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: I are speaking right now, the Defense Secretary Pete Heggsath

1040
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: is berating the media for reporting the previous intelligence estimate,

1041
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: and we also have the Director of National Intelligence, Telsea

1042
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: Gabbard coming out backing up Donald Trump.

1043
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: We can put that up.

1044
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: There on the screen, says new Intelligence confirms that the

1045
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: POTUS has stated numerous times Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

1046
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: If they choose to rebuild, they would have to rebuild

1047
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: all facilities entirely, which would take years to do so.

1048
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: She then goes after the propaganda media.

1049
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: So, first your reaction to that, and I understand you

1050
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: also wanted to expand a little bit on some comments

1051
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: you've made previously here on the show.

1052
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I really, well, I'm ultimately still right anyway in

1053
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 8: the end, but I oversimplified a point when I was

1054
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 8: talking about uranium versus plutonium nukes and Iran's various potential

1055
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 8: roots to the bomb, and you guys comments section called

1056
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 8: me out immediately and correctly. So the first thing was

1057
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 8: just a complete scrip where I just mixed up Batman

1058
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 8: and little Boy.

1059
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 9: Little Boy was the Hiroshima bomb.

1060
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 8: Batman was the Nagasaki bomb, which wasn't I did get

1061
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 8: this part right. Was the plutonium implosion bomb, and that

1062
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 8: is almost universally the type of bomb that is miniaturized

1063
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 8: and married to missiles. What I overstated was I think

1064
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 8: I said that it was virtually impossible to make a

1065
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 8: uranium implosion bomb, which is not really right.

1066
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 9: That was oversimplified. The real point is.

1067
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 8: If because Iran has no plutonium root to the bomb,

1068
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 8: because they don't have they didn't never mind what's been

1069
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 8: bombed now, but they never had a reprocessing facility necessary

1070
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 8: to clean the impurities out of plutonium to use it

1071
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 8: for weapons fuel, so they didn't have that root to

1072
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 8: the bomb at all, and then their uranium root to

1073
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 8: the bomb. The presumption was that if they made a bomb,

1074
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 8: it would be a gun type nuke.

1075
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 9: Because that would be the easiest and cheapest to make.

1076
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 8: That if they raced to a bomb, they could do

1077
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 8: that quickly, whereas if they were It is possible to

1078
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 8: make an implosion bomb out of uranium, but it's much

1079
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 8: more complicated and would require a lot more testing. And

1080
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 8: there have been a bunch of false accusations about them

1081
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 8: working on those implosion systems at parch In, for example,

1082
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 8: which turned out to be a bunch of propaganda that

1083
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 8: was later debunked. But so my point still stands in

1084
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 8: that if they had broken out from the treaty and

1085
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 8: said we're going to make nukes.

1086
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 9: Now.

1087
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 8: They could either race toward a gun type nuke, which

1088
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 8: is essentially undeliverable, or they could plow it along and

1089
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 8: try to get an implosion type bomb and figure out

1090
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 8: how to make one and marry that to a missile.

1091
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 8: And I believe that must have been what the intelligence

1092
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 8: assessment had been referring to a couple of weeks ago,

1093
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 8: saying that it would take them up to three years

1094
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 8: to have that done if they had were openly seeking.

1095
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 8: So the point essentially still remained. It was just that

1096
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 8: I had screwed up, first of all, the names of

1097
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 8: the bombs we dropped on Truman dropped on Japan, which

1098
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 8: is a stupid error. And then secondly, I had essentially

1099
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 8: just overstated the limitations of a uranium bomb, and that

1100
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 8: essentially they would be forced to make a gun type

1101
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 8: nuke and would not have an implosion option available, which

1102
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 8: is not correct. It just it would take a lot

1103
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 8: more effort for them to do so, and it would

1104
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 8: give America is there, a lot more time to launch

1105
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 8: an aggressive war against them in order to prevent them

1106
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 8: from getting that far.

1107
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 9: So that point essentially still stands.

1108
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 8: And I believe I made that same screw up on

1109
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 8: Pierce Morgan and on the Jimmy Door Show. So this counts,

1110
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 8: I hope as corrections for those two. Actually try to

1111
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 8: invite myself back onto both to correct the same error,

1112
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 8: because I really hate being wrong about anything. People in

1113
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 8: my position are positioned trying to oppose these wars.

1114
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 9: We can't afford to be wrong.

1115
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 8: And I certainly was not trying to, you know, oversimplify,

1116
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 8: to deceive anyone or anything.

1117
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 9: But physicial did so. So I want to make sure

1118
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 9: that we get that straight.

1119
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we appreciate your commitment to that kind of precision. Scott,

1120
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: It's part of what gives you so much credibility here.

1121
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: So what do you make of the battle over the

1122
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: intelligence assessment of how badly damaged these nuclear nuclear facilities

1123
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: ultimately were?

1124
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know what, not in the real benefit

1125
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 8: of the doubt sense, But just my feeling is I

1126
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 8: think Trump is probably right that the dam which was

1127
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 8: you know, what they were hoping to get. And part

1128
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 8: of that is just because I know of the precision,

1129
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 8: their ability that they've had for many years to be

1130
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 8: able to drop a missile right down a chimney flight

1131
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 8: in a window. It's been this way since the Rock

1132
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 8: War one. And for them to drop a dozen or

1133
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 8: more fourteen I guess it was. They said, thirty thousand

1134
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 8: pounds shape charge. You know, these these these charges are

1135
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 8: meant to blast right down and they're thirty thousand pounds,

1136
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 8: and then they drop them over and over and over

1137
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 8: down the same few holes. I imagine they can get

1138
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 8: quite a bit of damage done down there.

1139
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 9: And now their question was.

1140
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 8: Whether they had destroyed, you know, all the urious centrifuge

1141
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 8: facilities and so forth. I'm really not sure about that obviously,

1142
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 8: but you know, Seymour Hirsch had a thing where his

1143
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 8: sources are telling him that they actually didn't think that

1144
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 8: they could reach all the centrifuge facilities down there, and

1145
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 8: that wasn't what they were trying to do. Instead, they

1146
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 8: decided that they would just essentially hit every entrance and

1147
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 8: every air shaft and every tunnel available and to just

1148
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 8: seal the place off. Anybody down there be buried alive

1149
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 8: and no one on the surface that would be able

1150
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 8: to get down there again. And the one option would

1151
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 8: be that they would be able to do you know,

1152
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 8: a major mine shaft type operation like they did this

1153
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 8: rescue mission that he refers to years ago I think

1154
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 8: in Peru or South Africa or something with these guys

1155
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 8: were buried very deep down for a very long time,

1156
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 8: and they did get down there. But then we can

1157
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 8: bomb him when they're in the middle of trying that

1158
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 8: would essentially be the threat, right, So that sounds the

1159
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 8: least credible to me that they know what they're doing.

1160
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 8: We're talking about the US Air Force. Can they put

1161
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 8: firepower on a target and collapse the tunnel?

1162
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 9: Sure they can so.

1163
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 8: And then they did, virtually, I believe, you know, destroy

1164
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 8: everything of real value at Isfahan, which is where they

1165
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 8: had the conversion facilities where you take the uranium ore

1166
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 8: turn it to yellow cake and then refine that or

1167
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 8: convert that as they call it, to uranium hexafluoride gas,

1168
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 8: which you need to enrich up to higher and higher

1169
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 8: percentages of you two, three to five. Then you have

1170
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 8: to convert it back into metal again. And they apparently destroyed.

1171
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 9: All of that.

1172
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 8: And then, by the way, so there's this guy David

1173
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 8: Albright as a group called Isis which he called it

1174
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 8: that before the Islamic State guys.

1175
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 9: And he's kind of a very pro israel simp.

1176
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 8: You know, I don't really like him, but I do

1177
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 8: respect his technical expertise.

1178
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 9: And his group has put out a pretty.

1179
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 8: Thorough report from commercial satellite pictures that they got where

1180
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 8: they run through fod Oh, Isfahan, Natance, and a couple others.

1181
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 8: Apparently there's been severe damage done at Natans as well.

1182
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 8: And I think Trump's crowing because the Air Force is

1183
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 8: telling him we did it, and he and by the way,

1184
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 8: this is announced yesterday that they're going to have talks

1185
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: next week, and it seems like Trump's position is going

1186
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 8: to be, look, man, I destroyed virtually your entire program.

1187
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 8: No point in rebuilding it because I'll just bomb it again.

1188
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 8: So just don't. And then, as he put it yesterday,

1189
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 8: I don't even think we need a new nuclear deal.

1190
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 8: We're just going to go on. They're just going to

1191
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 8: not have a nuclear program anymore. And I'm not really

1192
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 8: sure about that. The AA to Hole obviously has a

1193
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 8: huge incentive to be defiant, as he was in that speech.

1194
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 8: There's probably a likelihood that it's true, as they bragged

1195
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 8: that they already have another secret facility up and running,

1196
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 8: or at least they're working on getting it.

1197
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 9: And I've been warning all along.

1198
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 8: I'd be happy to be about this, I don't care,

1199
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 8: but the anti war forces in America have warned all

1200
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 8: along that the threat, of course is that if we

1201
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 8: attack them, then they'll make a nuke, Whereas this whole

1202
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 8: time they had acquired essentially a latent deterrent instead of

1203
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 8: going as far as having an actual nuclear weapons.

1204
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 9: So flip a coin, I guess we'll see how it

1205
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 9: works out right.

1206
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Scott.

1207
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to parse this language, and if you really

1208
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 3: do look at it precisely, like for example, we can

1209
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: put the next one up there.

1210
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: This from the CIA director.

1211
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: The CIA Director John Ratcliffe released his statement, CIA can

1212
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: confirm a body of credible intelligence indicates Eron's nuclear program

1213
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: has quote been severely damaged by the recent targeted strikes.

1214
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: This includes new intelligence, et cetera. But the word severely

1215
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: damaged is what really struck to me, because I mean, look,

1216
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: I know that Trump and the politicians are rhetorically, but

1217
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: obliteration to me means basically non existent, whereas severely damaged

1218
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: is more in the realm of well, it's technically repairable.

1219
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: Especially when you pile on top the secret facilities. Like

1220
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 3: you said, I also do believe that there's a lot

1221
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: of intra governmental leaking going on, because what's the incentive

1222
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: of somebody leaking saying that the strike wasn't all that credible. Well,

1223
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: we got to go back and we got to go

1224
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: to do it again, right, And so then there's a

1225
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: lot of politicization here of the intelligence as well. So

1226
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 3: parsing those two things, you still think, like you said,

1227
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: that secret facility is technically a possibility, but it may

1228
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: not necessarily be months as that initial initial assessment said.

1229
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's so much that we just don't know yet.

1230
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 8: But and I think the most important variable in it

1231
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 8: all is the Iyatolus reaction. Either we just made him

1232
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 8: mad and now and and plus all the guys around

1233
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 8: him too, they're all just going to be demanding, you know.

1234
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 9: Further, you know, nuclear development.

1235
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 8: We'll just build a new isfahan, We'll just build a

1236
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 8: new nutence, We'll just do whatever we have to do

1237
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 8: to keep going. Or is it the case that, hey,

1238
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 8: the United States of America called his bluff and ultimately

1239
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 8: their latent nuclear deterrent wasn't enough to stop US and

1240
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 8: their mid range missile deterrent wasn't enough, and they didn't

1241
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 8: dare right.

1242
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 9: They shot. And this is such an important point too.

1243
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 8: This is the madman i Atola who only wants to

1244
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 8: bring on the apocalypse. He's willing to lose his whole

1245
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 8: nation in a first strike against Israel. They've told us

1246
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 8: for twenty five years here or some point there. But

1247
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 8: now he did the same thing that Trump did after

1248
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 8: he killed Solomani, and previous to that, in the summer

1249
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 8: of nineteen when they had their back and forth over

1250
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 8: Katibal Hesblah in Iraq, which is a Shite militia backed

1251
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 8: by Iran there and back and forth between them and Americans,

1252
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 8: they shot down the drone.

1253
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 9: I believe it was in the summer of nineteen, and

1254
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 9: then it.

1255
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 8: Was after Solimani in the beginning of twenty they bombed

1256
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 8: the empty corner of an American base in Iraqi, Curdistan,

1257
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 8: which did give guys some concussions and things. It wasn't

1258
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 8: completely harmless, but it was obviously meant to be essentially

1259
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 8: a symbolic response, the same thing that they did when

1260
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 8: the Israelis killed the Hamas leader in Tehran in a bombing,

1261
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 8: and then they also had struck the Iranian consulate in

1262
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 8: Syria and killed important Iranian officials there. They launched that

1263
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 8: missile salvo at Israel, but they announced it beforehand and said,

1264
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 8: you know, especially get all of your defenses ready. This

1265
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 8: is because the Ayatola, I'm sure be terrible to live there.

1266
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 8: But he is essentially cautious in foreign policy because and

1267
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 8: I'm sorry I'm repeating myself, but I've been saying this

1268
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 8: for a very long time. If you're the Ayatola, what

1269
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 8: are you gonna do with a problem like the USA?

1270
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 9: Right?

1271
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 8: America has an incredibly powerful air force. Even with conventional weapons,

1272
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 8: we could obliterate Iran cities and they couldn't do nothing

1273
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 8: to us. They couldn't sail a boat within a thousand

1274
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 8: miles of our shores ever.

1275
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 9: Right, So what's he gonna do?

1276
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 8: Just get into a brawl with Donald Trump and lose

1277
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 8: so badly when he could try to calm it down.

1278
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 9: And so what do you do?

1279
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 8: He launched an attack at an American base in Iraq,

1280
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 8: and an American base are most important based at Cutter,

1281
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 8: Sentcom headquarters at al You did air base in Cutter

1282
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 8: and as Trump said in a tweet, thank you very

1283
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 8: much for the prior warning that you're going to launch

1284
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 8: this symbolic attack and let us, you know, shoot it

1285
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 8: down and this kind of thing. So the Iatola there

1286
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 8: was telegraphing very obviously, I do not want to fight you.

1287
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 9: Please, let's call this off.

1288
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's almost like we're here to do now.

1289
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 9: He's too he could drop ted tomorrow.

1290
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like they're rational actors and not the

1291
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: like you know, end time psychopaths that we've been sold

1292
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: on who are ready to nuke Kansas at the moment

1293
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: that they have the opportunity, or Tel Aviv for that matter.

1294
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the other nation state

1295
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: involved in this conflict.

1296
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 4: That would be Israel.

1297
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: Guys, if you could put see five up on the screen,

1298
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: this is, you know, the axis between the American neo

1299
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: cons and also the Israelis. You've got ark Levin here

1300
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: praising net Nyaho for his new speech thing. Israelies have

1301
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: never been more united, the air world has never been

1302
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: more appreciative. Net Nyaho is a truly remarkable leader. And

1303
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Speaker 2: this is with regards to speech where Nat Yahoo says

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Speaker 2: we must complete the campaign against the Iranian Axis, defeat MS,

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Speaker 2: bring about the release of all of our hostages, and

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Speaker 2: he says in there as well, we have.

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Speaker 4: No intention of taking our foot off the gas.

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Speaker 2: We must complete the campaign against the Iranian Axis. At

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Speaker 2: the same time, guys, if you could put C three

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Speaker 2: B up on the screen, this was a truth from Trump,

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Speaker 2: which I will spare you reading all of this way

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Speaker 2: too long thing, but in essence, here he is praising

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Speaker 2: bb net Nyahoo lavishly and calling for the corruption charges

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Speaker 2: which he has been facing inside of Israel to be dropped.

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Speaker 2: He says he's been going through this horror show with

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Speaker 2: regard to these corruption charges since May have twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: unheard of.

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Speaker 4: This is the first time a.

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Speaker 2: Sitting Israeli prime minister has ever been on trial, and

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Speaker 2: calls them politically motivated. So, in any case, what do

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Speaker 2: you make of how the Israelis are assessing this moment?

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Speaker 2: And you know, what do you think is going on

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Speaker 2: here with this Trump truth in praise of Netanyahu.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think everything's coming up lakud, right.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they have been, you know, largely successful in

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Speaker 8: the annihilation of the society that Palestinians and the Gaza

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Speaker 8: strip the settlers are on the move, expanding in the

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Speaker 8: West Bank. They've taken all the territory up to the

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Speaker 8: Latani River in southern Lebanon and taken a major chunk

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Speaker 8: out of Syria. They've completed, with the help of the Turks,

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Speaker 8: the al Qaeda revolution and takeover of Syria and the

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Speaker 8: end of the Bathist regime there, which was led by

1333
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Speaker 8: Ola Whites who were close to the sites.

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Speaker 9: And close to Iran.

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Speaker 8: They, you know, through the pager attack and aerial attacks,

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Speaker 8: they have severely crippled Hesbala as well as has killed

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Speaker 8: their leader, Nocerala. They got America to come in and

1338
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Speaker 8: help them to severely cripple at the very least Iran's

1339
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Speaker 8: nuclear program.

1340
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Speaker 9: We don't know exactly, you know, as we've been.

1341
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 8: Talking about what the how that's going to play out

1342
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Speaker 8: with the consequences of that will be. They still have

1343
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 8: the hooth thees and the hooth These are hard to kill.

1344
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 8: Barack Obama and Donald Trump already tried to kill them,

1345
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 8: and Joe Biden a little bit for about eight years

1346
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 8: there and didn't win anything. All they did was, you know,

1347
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 8: wars the health of the state unless you lose, and

1348
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 8: in this case, they didn't lose, and so the people

1349
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Speaker 8: of Yemen are more united around their government now than

1350
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Speaker 8: probably ever before under you know what the academics call

1351
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 8: the rally around the flag effect. I know a reporter

1352
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Speaker 8: that I interviewed years ago, or I've interviewed them a

1353
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 8: ton of times. I'm Nasser Arabi from Sannah, said, oh,

1354
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 8: we're all hooth these now, not that they are, but

1355
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Speaker 8: the same way Americans supported George W.

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Speaker 9: Bush.

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Speaker 8: Somebody attacks us, then it's us versus you, if that's

1358
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Speaker 8: how it is. And as he put it to me,

1359
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 8: he said, well, George Bush is from Texas, right, but

1360
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Speaker 8: when he's the president of the country, he's not just

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 8: a Texan. He's the president of the country and he's

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Speaker 8: respected as such by the people of the whole country,

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Speaker 8: not just the Texans of course. So it's the same

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Speaker 8: thing when the sites from the Sada province are in charge.

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Speaker 8: You attack the country, you attack the country. And now

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Speaker 8: there are splits, and you know in the south they

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Speaker 8: have the STC and all that, but overall, the who

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 8: the these have proven to be a very difficult target to

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Speaker 8: take out from the air, and who's going to send

1370
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Speaker 8: in ground troops there? And This goes back to are

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Speaker 8: hypothetical about Iran, which I sort of trailed off instead

1372
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Speaker 8: of wrapping up that. If they decide to double down

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Speaker 8: on their nuclear program, then we go back to what

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Speaker 8: Netnyahu said the other day, which is, you know what

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Speaker 8: would solve this problem permanently killing the Ayatola and having

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Speaker 8: a regime change there one way or the other, which

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Speaker 8: they may even be able to accomplish by air if

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Speaker 8: they have real intelligence. Trump threatened, I know exactly where

1379
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Speaker 8: you are. I could kill you right now if I

1380
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 8: wanted to the other day, you know, if a week ago,

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Speaker 8: and so.

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Speaker 9: By the by their logic, if if.

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Speaker 8: They're right, if even uh the guys uh you know

1384
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Speaker 8: Mark Dubois from the Foundation for Defensive Democracies saying, well,

1385
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Speaker 8: now that Israel started this war, America better go in

1386
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 8: there with their big bunker busters efficient or else now

1387
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 8: they're going to break out toardon nuke. Well, they still

1388
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 8: might now try to break out toward nuke, in which

1389
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Speaker 8: case the logic is that the problem isn't solved yet.

1390
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Speaker 8: We got to keep killing Mola's until the problem is solved,

1391
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 8: until we comparachute in a monarch, or we can have

1392
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Speaker 8: maybe we'll have Alkeada interact takeover in Iran too, since

1393
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Speaker 8: they've done such a great job in Syria for US.

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Speaker 3: You know, listen, you know that Donald Trumpler is shaking

1395
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: the guy's hand and uh uh shaking the guy's had.

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Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: He has a very strong past. Trump said, look it up.

1398
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Speaker 8: He told Frontline. He's like, yeah, I killed American soldiers

1399
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 8: in Mosul and Ramadi.

1400
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Speaker 9: That's the strong pass that Trump's referring to.

1401
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 8: It.

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01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: Well, we got to take out the Eyetola because American soldiers.

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Speaker 8: And this goes the whole thing. Israel's en the means

1404
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 8: are the she Heites. But it was not Hasbala that

1405
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 8: knocked our towers down. I'm sorry, I'm such a broken

1406
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 8: record on this, but this is all treason because the

1407
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 8: Likude hates Iran. Right, But America could have normalize relations

1408
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 8: with Iran back in the nineteen nineties. Hell Ron Reagan

1409
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 8: was selling the missiles in the mid nineteen eighties after Beirut.

1410
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 8: Within a couple of years, he's selling the missiles so

1411
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 8: big in Brazilski and Alexander Haigh wanted to normalize relations

1412
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety three, the Iyatola came begging George W.

1413
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Speaker 8: Bush to get along with the Golden Offer in two

1414
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Speaker 8: thousand and two. So, you guys hate the Taliban, you

1415
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 8: guys hate Saddam Hussein, you guys hate al Qaeda, let's

1416
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 8: work together. Yeah, And the neo conservatives said no, because

1417
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 8: Israel hates the shea Hites more. Now, somehow that matters

1418
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 8: more than who hit the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you one last question here, which is

1420
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: the Iranians are trying to claim and assert some sort

1421
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: of victory and project that they effectively, like were able

1422
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: to effect enough damage inside of Israel that Israel felt

1423
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: the need to accept this ceasefire. And there was reporting

1424
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: about Israel running low on interceptors. And I think the

1425
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: other way they're claiming victory is basically like you all

1426
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: wanted to destroy us and collapse the government, and the

1427
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Speaker 2: government is still here and our nation is still here.

1428
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Speaker 2: So what do you make of, you know, their sort

1429
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: of celebration and their claiming of a victory in these circumstances.

1430
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Speaker 8: Well, in the first case, there there may be some

1431
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 8: truth to that that they still have missiles in reserve

1432
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 8: and Israel's running out of sparrows and iron domes and

1433
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 8: patriots and whatever that they had to shoot them down with.

1434
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 9: There may be some truth to them.

1435
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Speaker 8: I'm sure there was some pressure on the Israelis on

1436
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 8: their side of it, because a lot more missiles did

1437
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 8: get through than they thought. As far as the second part,

1438
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 8: I think that's sort of propaganda, you know, trying to

1439
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 8: portray a little bit of a position of strength there,

1440
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 8: you know, domestically, trying to save a little bit of

1441
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 8: face there. But it was I think it was Donald

1442
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 8: Trump that that said we're calling a halt here short

1443
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 8: of regime change. I think if he had given met

1444
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 8: Yahoo permission to keep going where it'd shared the intelligence

1445
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 8: is where we think the Ayah Toola is go ahead

1446
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 8: and get him, then they absolutely could go that far.

1447
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 8: You know, anybody could probably just picture, you know, just

1448
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 8: from memory, B fifty two's over North Vietnam, just what

1449
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 8: they call carpet bombing, just pouring dumb bombs out of

1450
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 8: the belly of those gigantic heavy bomber planes that we have.

1451
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 8: And there's pictures people seeing profile pictures of B two's

1452
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 8: doing the same. But the B fifty twos, especially America,

1453
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 8: could really devastate. He it was credible when he ordered

1454
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 8: Donald Trump, don't forget, ordered the evacuation of Tehran. Yeah,

1455
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 8: and the implication, you know, it was like, geez, I

1456
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 8: don't think he's going to nuke him, but what is

1457
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 8: he going to do?

1458
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 10: Like?

1459
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 9: What is even the.

1460
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 8: Implication there are now in the implication, which was the

1461
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 8: most minimal one was just, oh, he was going to

1462
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 8: encourage the Israelis to keep hitting government targets in that city.

1463
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Speaker 9: He was.

1464
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 8: They weren't going for terror bombing of the neighborhoods on

1465
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 8: the vast scale that they could. But boy, even that

1466
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 8: threat sure sounded like it and was going very far here.

1467
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 8: So I would expect for the population and the political

1468
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 8: establishment inside Iran to be more radicalized and more defiant

1469
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 8: than ever. It's only natural, really, unless the ayah Toola

1470
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 8: just slams his fist down, says no, I'm in charge here,

1471
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 8: and I say, boy, we better be conciliatory now because

1472
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 8: of our position of weakness, which.

1473
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 9: I think is doubtful, right, But that's what it would take.

1474
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 8: It would take him telling, you know, shouting at everybody

1475
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 8: else to shut up. I'm the one deciding, and I've

1476
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 8: decided that we're going to have to play a little

1477
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 8: bit meek in the face of this madman or whatever.

1478
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 8: But I don't know how anyone could fairly expect that

1479
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 8: to be the result of this.

1480
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Speaker 3: Frankly, we'll see Scott. Thank you so much for joining us, man,

1481
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: We appreciate your analysis.

1482
01:08:59,080 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 4: Great to see us guy.

1483
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 9: Thank you both so much. Yeah, I really appreciates you.

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Speaker 6: M