1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Uh. This week we 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: talked about William Perkin and the discovery of Mauve and 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: really all of his other contributions to side. Yeah. I'm 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: so glad you picked this one because I know it's 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: one that people have asked us to talk about before, 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: and also something that has sort of come up in 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: passing on other episodes. But such an interesting story, and 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: I did not realize how young he was when that 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: happened a baby. That was one of the things that 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention that I said we would talk 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: about at the end of that episode. That's very very 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: interesting to me because I feel like he is kind 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: of an outlier to the trope of the person who 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: becomes wildly successful when they're still very young. Because when 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: you're young and your sensibilities are not fully matured yet, 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: it's very easy for a lot of success to lead 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: to a lot of bad behavior. Um and like self 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: indulgence and just you know, kind of an overinflated sense 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: of self. But Perkin, in all of the writing that 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: people have done about him seems to have stayed surprisingly 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: idealistic throughout all of that, like setting up a business 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: will break a person, and yet he really seemed to 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: still be like, it's still about the science, which is 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: probably afforded him by the fact that his brother was 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: handling like the nuts and bolts of yucky business affairs, 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: while he was like, I'm gonna go to the lab 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: and make a new color goodbye. Um, which is not 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: to make him sound like he was like dippy or flippy, 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: but just like he could focus on the science and 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: not on the less pleasant parts of running a business. Um. 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: And it's interesting that part that we mentioned about them 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: making a magenta and then pulling that color stood out 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to me in one of the papers that I was 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: reading about them, because they seemed really upset by the 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: fact that their process could potentially have caused people to 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: get sick, and like that doesn't seem necessarily in line 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: with a lot of industrialism of the day. Um. However, 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: the source for that was a write up about it 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: that his brother did, so I don't know as much 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: about his brother, and perhaps his brother just wanted to 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: make them look at or perhaps his brother was legitimately 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: that troubled by it. I mean, they did stop producing 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. So it seems to uphold that idea 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: that maybe they were kind of idealists in general as 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: a family, um, which again probably comes from the fact 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: that they had a very privileged upbringing, you know what 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, there's a way in which you can 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: be very idealists when you have not had to struggle, 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: which they didn't. And thankfully, even though they took that 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: big risk financially with their dad, it all paid off 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: and then some That to me is just very very fascinating. 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: I also think, I mean, he, like I said, he 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: wasn't dealing with the business side of things, and he 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: got out at a young enough age that I think 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: he sits in this lucky space historically, where like we 58 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: can't ascribe all of the bad things that have come 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: out of manufacturing plants to him because he wasn't in 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: it anymore. And I think probably that would have been 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: very a very happy thing on his part. He seemed 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: like he really did would not have wanted any part 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: of that, um. But it's pretty cool. I think about 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: all of the things I use every single day that 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: are connected or rooted in something that he worked on 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: from like the sweetener I put in my coffee to 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the color on my head, and I'm like, thank you, 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: William Perkin. I will say this, I really want um 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: us to maybe have T shirts that say Cold Tar 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Color Jubilee on them, because I just think, what enough 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: phrase is good? What a name it's That's not a 72 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: thing that I would necessarily think I would have any 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: interest in. But if I knew that it was, you know, 74 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: all about fascinating colors and dyes being invented, that would 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: be a different thing. Also, would you ever think all 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: of those words would go together. I didn't think they 77 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: all went together when they were coming out of my 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: mouth on the show the Cold Tar Color Jubilee. Uh 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: yeah that one' We had a request from someone years 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: ago for this specific story and I don't remember who 81 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: that was, so my apologies on that one. But we 82 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: have gotten it, I think from a few other people 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: as well, and it's it's been on my list and 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: kind of jockeying around the positions at various times. And 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: I actually was working on another subject for this week 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: and then discovered there was a better source for that 87 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: than I had already had and I had to like 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: mail away for a book to come to me. So 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm jumping horses. I'm jumping horses. But 90 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: I had our aready done enough pre limb on this 91 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: one and had some papers kind of ready to go 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: to read. So that helps make it make it happen 93 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: this week instead and made him jump to the top 94 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: of the list. Yeah. And also, you know who doesn't 95 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: want to talk about purple all day every day? I do. Yeah. 96 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, my entire living room is purple and black, 97 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: like clearly, it's a color I enjoy. And again, as 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: you just said, you wear it on your head every day, 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: every day of your life, every day I haven't been. 100 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I like to tell people purple is my 101 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: natural color just because every once in a while, every 102 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: hundredth person gets really confused like they believe it. But 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: reminds me, I'm not going to say who this was, 104 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: but it reminds me of the time that we were 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: in a green room and a person far more famous 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: than you, and I asked if she could touch her hair. Yeah, 107 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: I think after you had said that the purple was 108 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: your natural color. Well, no, as I recall what had 109 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: happened was she asked we were dressed in historical clothing 110 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: for a strange event. She asked if that's how I 111 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: always dress and I jokingly said like, yeah, this is 112 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: just Tuesday outfit. And she said do you wear the 113 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: wig every time? And you said that's her real hair, 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: and then she said can I touch it? He's like, 115 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't generally advocate asking if you can 116 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: touch people's hair, but in this case was it was 117 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: charming and funny. Yeah, anybody can touch my my hair 118 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: if they want. I won't mind. I will also often 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: get into long discussions with people about how I achieved 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: my hair color. I think I have said it on 121 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: stage at live shows before, when people have as during 122 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: you and a yeah, happy to do it anytime. Brian 123 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: often comes around the corner at like the supermarket and 124 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: finds me talking to like a parent and a teenager 125 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: because their team agent wants it, but they're scared to 126 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: ask me, and the parent will just stomp up and go, 127 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: how do you get your hair so purple? My child 128 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: wants to know, and I'll be like, here's how I'll 129 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: write it all down. Purple hairnut for shy people is 130 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. No, No, alright, we have wandered far 131 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: afield at this point. This week on the show, we 132 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: talked about mother Goose rhymes again, and in particular, we 133 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: talked about who Killed cock Robin, a poem I have 134 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: had a morbid fascination with since my very early childhood 135 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: because I had a story book that, in my memory 136 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: had two stories in it. But I could that could 137 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: be totally wrong. I mean, this is a book that 138 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: my mom read to me when I was very small, 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: and I don't remember what else was in the book, 140 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: because what I do remember is we would get to 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the end of the story that my mom read to 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: me all the time, and then the next story in 143 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: it was who Killed cock Robin? And my mom would 144 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: be like, no, we're not reading that. Uh. And I'm 145 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: not sure whether it was because Mom did not want 146 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: to read the thing about the sparrow getting shot and 147 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: somebody catching its blood and all of that, or whether 148 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: she thought that I would have been traumatized by, which 149 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: I might have been. I was very sensitive about small animals, 150 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: But either way it became this like huge taboo source 151 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: of fascination and like my very small maybe three or 152 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: four year old nine, and I thought about like asking 153 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: my parents what book was that? And I did not 154 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: I did not do it, and also did not want 155 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: anybody to like go rummaging around boxes of old stuff 156 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: in their house trying to figure out the answer. Uh. 157 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, cock Robin, just let's have a murder poem 158 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: for very small children. You know you got you gotta learn. Um. 159 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I know you do not like the animal heads on 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: the human bodies that are illustrated in that by Henry 161 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Lewis Stevens. Yeah. See, that's what I have been fascinated 162 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: with since I was a kid. So some of them 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: are fine with me, Like owl with his spade and trowel. 164 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: That's pretty, that's fine. Uh. And some of the like 165 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: birds with human bodies are okay. But the very first 166 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: illustration in it is like sparrow with no shirt on 167 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: and weirdly ripped torso and a tiny bird head. I love, 168 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: I love I love all this stuff. I love it. 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: I love the bug people. Yeah, the fish with his 170 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: dish and he has like the a on also bothered me. Caaculate. 171 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: See here's the thing these I have long looked at 172 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: this book and been like, which one of these will 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: I eventually get tattooed on my body. Okay, it was 174 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: very funny when you were like, yeah, I love all 175 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: the Beatles, yum. Near the end, there's a picture that 176 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I actually think is quite beautiful. That's Who's sing Who'll 177 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: sing a song? And it's the Thrush and the Thrush 178 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: is singing that I think is really genuinely beautiful and 179 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't freak me out at all. But then right 180 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: after that is the lark being the clerk, and it's 181 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: like if somebody put a lark's head John Ebony's or 182 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: Scrooge body. I love his crooked, little bad posture and 183 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: his skinny legs. I love the feathers that mimic the 184 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: shape of his legs. But going in a different direction, 185 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: I love the background of the ladybird with her children 186 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: pulling on her dress. I love at illustrations so much. Yeah, 187 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: the bul just looks kind of like a menatur, Yes, 188 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: very much. So. This is a ridiculous conversation to be 189 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: having in our audio medium of a podcast. But this 190 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: whole book is online at Project Gutenberg, and you can 191 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: see the whole thing for yourself if you go to 192 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: Guttenberg dot org and just put the words cock Robin 193 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: in the search bar, and you can also treat yourself 194 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: to this either wonderful land of animal whimsy or horror. 195 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: For my part of it, here's the thing I learned 196 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: when you sent your outline over and I looked at 197 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: it because there's a phrase that I use all the 198 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: time but never knew its origin, and that is namby pamby. Okay, yeah, yeah, 199 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I use it all the time. I don't want to 200 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: hear your namby pamby excuses for blobby bluop, like I 201 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: always associate it with um unnecessary fluff namby pam Yeah. 202 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know offhand if like that term comes 203 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: from the name of that satire or if that satire 204 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: was named for the term, but either way, that term 205 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: has been around for a while. Yeah, I had no idea. 206 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: I just thought that was more of a modern sort 207 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: of silly nonsensical expression used for the needs which I 208 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: just mentioned. Yeah, it's the whole thing. Yeah. Maybe I'm 209 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: planning to hopefully go see my parents for Thanksgiving and 210 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: in everybody vaccinated taking lots of precautions kind of way, 211 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: and maybe if that happens, as I hope it will 212 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: which will know by the time this episode comes out, 213 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: I think, because I think this is coming out after 214 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving, you'll go digging. Maybe I will. I will 215 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: dig through boxes of old stuff and see if I 216 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: can find the book and remember what it was that 217 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: I love to be read by my mom so much 218 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: that I always was disappointed when we got to the 219 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: end and she would not continue to have this, you know, 220 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: heart pierced elected blood murder story. Love it. I still 221 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: like my theory that it's about animal vamporism. Yeah, that's 222 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. Um. Yeah, I love I love 223 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: those Stephen's illustrations so much. It did not come up, 224 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you found it in any 225 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: of your research. When we're talking about Ladybird, Ladybird, about ladybugs, 226 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: which is what I grew up calling them being good luck, 227 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and if that ties into any of the interpretations they're 228 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: viewed as being lucky in a lot of Europe and 229 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: North America. Um. And I did read a thing that 230 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: suggested that this idea of luck was tied to the 231 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: association with the Virgin Mary and being sort of blessed. 232 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: But then I couldn't I couldn't find a connection with 233 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: that in the poem. I mean not necessarily that the 234 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: people that came up with interpretations for that poem and 235 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: found an actual connection either. Uh. That thing from the 236 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: BBC article, just as it comes across to me is like, well, 237 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: there's fire and people got burned at the stake, So 238 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: clearly that's what that's about. Like, that's the most I mean, 239 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: it's obvious there's a kid. It's the most tenuous of 240 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: all of them, unless there is some kind of like 241 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: progression that somebody did figure out that was not documented 242 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: anywhere that I found. So yeah, I'm sure at some 243 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: point we will do some more mother Goose rhymes. I 244 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: don't know if it will be the very next six 245 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Impossible episodes, because while we did get a lot of 246 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: people who were like, these are so fun, please do more, 247 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure there were other people who were like, but 248 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: what if you didn't though? But what if you did 249 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: something else? You know, maybe we'll have some other six 250 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: Impossible episodes next time around. But either way, since it's Friday, everybody, 251 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Whatever is on your plates. 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