1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: And with that eighteen years in the NFL. 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck joins us live, and I'm gonna ask him 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: anybody that in that bubble that you're just diametrically opposed 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: to or like I don't have Jacksonville close because I 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: don't trust him. 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: Who are you dying? 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Now? 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: You're already smiling? Who are you? 16 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: I enjoying that? It was super entertaining for me. 17 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 5: I was actually just sitting there listening, kind of disappointed 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 5: that I had to come on and talk. 19 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: I was enjoying it. 20 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 5: But no, you're incomplete, man, Like you're incomplete, Like what 21 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 5: are we doing? Where are the Pittsburgh Steelers? Where are 22 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 5: the Green Bay Packers? And yes, you're hating on Jacksonville 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 5: because who knows why? Because there's you just feel like 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 5: hating on them for that reason they're alive. 25 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 6: Listen. 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: I know I'm probably biased. 27 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 5: I lost a Super Bowl to a wild card team 28 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 5: that nobody gave a chance. Nobody gave a chance to them, 29 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 5: and then they just kept winning and winning and winning. 30 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 5: And it's what everybody says. It's the team that plays 31 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 5: the best football at the end of the year. It 32 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 5: doesn't matter what you did in September, it doesn't matter 33 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 5: what you did two years ago. It does not matter. 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 5: So the team that's playing the best. I love the fact. 35 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 4: That you gave Houston all that love. 36 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 5: Houston's exactly the kind of team that people are going 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 5: to overlook and that coaches and players are going to 38 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 5: turn on that film and it's going to be nameless 39 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 5: faces on. 40 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: That film and they're going to be like, dang, like we. 41 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 5: Got issues here, Like we got issues going. 42 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 4: Up against this team. 43 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 5: We don't want to play that team and that division 44 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 5: even I mean, Jacksonville is a similar thing. Carolina is 45 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 5: a team that people are going to sleep on. That's 46 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 5: what's so great about this tournament. Is there a favorite, Yeah, 47 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 5: there's a favorite. 48 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: It's the La Rams. 49 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 5: And I think that the Rams and the Seahawks Thursday 50 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 5: Night that could be the best game of the entire 51 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 5: You know, those could be the two best teams in 52 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: the NFL right there, Thursday night, and they might see 53 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 5: each other again, so you know, we'll see this. 54 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: This is exciting. I'm loving it. 55 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 5: That's why I was so entertained listening to you, you know, 56 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: kind of go through it. 57 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: So my gut feeling is I do think Caleb and Bow. 58 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean again, Caleb's got more torque, although I think 59 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: Bow is incredibly agile and athletic. He is so clever 60 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: and deceptive on the rollouts. My gut feeling is you 61 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: like Bow more than Caleb at this point though, right. 62 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's way more polished, refined game ready to me. 63 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: Okay, is there something about bo that does that you 64 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: do worry about? Is there a lower ceiling? 65 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: How do you view him? 66 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I'm a I'm a huge, huge fan of 67 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 5: bon Knicks. That doesn't mean that he's playing perfect right now. 68 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 5: I mean you're talking about his numbers in the fourth 69 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 5: quarter and how they're good. 70 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 4: Yeah they are good. 71 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 5: But against Kream Bay, he put the ball in Harm's 72 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 5: way four times, like it's tips and overthrows. Got to 73 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 5: get those, that's what they say in defense, the Packers 74 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 5: didn't do it. Those balls were up in the air. 75 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 5: He gave them opportunities to lose that game. And you know, 76 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 5: I just even go back to like what Philip Rivers 77 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 5: did this past week, and everyone wants to talk about, Hey, 78 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: what do you see out of Philip Rivers? He didn't 79 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 5: put his team in negative situations. 80 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: That's like the thing. 81 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 5: That's the thing Tom Brady did so well, sing Aaron 82 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 5: Rodgers did so well. And I think that's a compliment 83 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 5: that I would give to Caleb Williams is that Caleb 84 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: Williams does a really nice job of protecting the football. 85 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: And he's done a nice job this year of protecting 86 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 5: his team in other ways. And so I think when 87 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: you get the play caller and the quarterback really on 88 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 5: the same page, really clicking, like you're my guy, through 89 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: thick and thin, no matter what, that's that's when you're 90 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 5: cooking with gas. 91 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: And that's what the Broncos have. 92 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure that that's what the 93 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 5: what the Chicago Bears have. Ben Johnson got hired to 94 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: fix Caleb, to do his magic with Caleb. He's off 95 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: to a great start. But to think that this is. 96 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 5: Those two guys are a forever pair. I think that 97 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 5: remains to be seen. I think they're off to a 98 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 5: great start, but you know the next three weeks are 99 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: going to tell a lot nationally televised games, and it's 100 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: a great team around him. 101 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: So I'm not all the ways sold. 102 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 5: I thought this last game was the best game I've 103 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 5: seen Caleb play, though. 104 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: So quarterback interceptions are not always on the quarterback. You 105 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: have young receivers, they don't run the right route, somebody 106 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: misses a block, you're rushed. Seven of the eleven interception 107 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: leaders in the NFL right now are like Pro Bowl 108 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: level quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Darnald, Dack, Mahomes, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. 109 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk Sam Darnold tomorrow against the Rams. Are his 110 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: interceptions when you watch him not seeing something reckless kind 111 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: of his DNA when you look at because I thought 112 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was a guy that wasn't reckless, but he 113 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: just he was an aggressive guy and he was going 114 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: to take big swings. Because Andrew Luck knew deep down 115 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: our roster's not very good. He can't go thirteen play drives. 116 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: We don't have that old line. Sam does have a 117 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: lot around him. Why is he throwing picks in his career? 118 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: What do they look like to you? 119 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 5: Well, let's just go back to the about a month 120 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 5: ago they played the Rams. He had four interceptions in 121 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 5: that game, and I you know, his protection wasn't great 122 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 5: and he was just trying too hard. You know, most 123 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 5: of the interceptions that I've seen him throw this year, 124 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 5: as you know, he's just wanting it so bad. He 125 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 5: wants it to work. And you know, go back to 126 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 5: the last game against the Rams. The Rams won the game. 127 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: Sam Donald throws four interceptions, but if he only throws 128 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 5: three interceptions, the Seahawks win the game. 129 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 4: And that's kind of the mindset. 130 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: That I think the coaches are going to have to 131 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 5: get into him this week for the Thursday night game. 132 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: And I've had coaches to do this to me as well. 133 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: And they literally say it like, hey, listen, if you 134 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 5: just go from three interceptions to two interceptions, we win. 135 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: And as a quarterback is like. 136 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 5: Oh man, like I can do that, Like I can 137 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 5: do that instead of the mindset of like, hey, if 138 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: ro line is getting you know, worked by their D line, 139 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 5: you got to do some and heroic, you know, and 140 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 5: just it's like a mind it's a shift in how 141 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 5: you're thinking about it. And I think they're talking to 142 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: him the way that they probably talked to me or 143 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 5: Andrew Lucker, all the guys you mentioned. Hey, listen, we 144 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 5: have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Our 145 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 5: special teams can go win us a game at the end. 146 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 5: We've got a great punter, Let him punt. You know, 147 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 5: those kinds of ways that you can talk to a 148 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 5: quarterback can kind of settle him down and make him 149 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 5: feel like, Hey, it's not all on me. This is 150 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: not me against the league MVP Matthew Stafford. 151 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: This is me and my guys. This is me and 152 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: my team. 153 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 5: This is me and my specialists, my defense, Leonard Williams, 154 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 5: those guys against the Rams, and that mindset can kind 155 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 5: of free you up as a quarterback. 156 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's what would help Sam the most. 157 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: You know, a few years ago, we watched Russell Wilson 158 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: go Seattle to Denver and almost inexplicably fell off a 159 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: cliff and I think for two years we're like, what happened? 160 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl of this? And then I watched Tua over. 161 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: The last year and a half fall off a cliff, 162 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: and they're both smaller quarterbacks who part of their gift 163 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: early was a little elusiveness could move the pocket. Kyler 164 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Murray feels like he has dropped off a cliff. I've 165 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 1: been in the same room with you. You're about six', 166 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: four maybe a little, taller And i've said this IS 167 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: i don't want to. HEAR i see This vanderbilt. Quarterback 168 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: people are, like, oh And i'm, Like i'm not touching. 169 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: THAT i saw him in a, Picture Dylan. GABRIEL i 170 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: saw him a picture with other. Quarterbacks i'm not drafting. 171 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: That you tell, me did your SIZE i don't know 172 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: what you weighed two. Twenty did your size help you 173 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: through the years with all those punitive? 174 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: Hits uh, yeah probably more like two forty even. 175 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 5: Today but, no, Listen i'm not a guy that's gonna 176 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 5: hate on somebody because of their. Height if you're a, 177 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: player you're a, player you're a, baller you're a. 178 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: Leader you're a guy that can protect the, ball you 179 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: can do it. 180 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: DOWNFIELD i think two Is ACTUALLY i don't think too 181 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 5: have played his worst game this last. GAME i think 182 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 5: he played always played all. YEAR i think what got 183 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: to a bench was a lack of, grittiness like a 184 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 5: lack of, tough lack Of he. 185 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: Has no ability to do anything with his. 186 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: Legs he takes sacks that don't need to be taken 187 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 5: in they're double digits minus twelve minus, eleven third and. 188 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: One you go to scramble year third and, two you 189 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 5: slide too. Early LIKE i think it's that that that 190 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: kind of like like frustration from the head coach where 191 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: it's like we need someone to like put this team 192 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: on their back and like send. Message and that's what 193 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: you get so excited. About when like a non running 194 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 5: quarterback runs for a first, down it's, like all, right 195 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: we got. 196 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: Them here we. 197 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 5: Go that's WHERE i Think tua needs says like step 198 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: up his. Game he had one interception that wasn't what 199 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 5: it was because they're not turning the page to somebody. 200 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 4: Who's going to all of a sudden do, better like you're. 201 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: Not i'm not expecting either one of those, quarterbacks based 202 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 5: on what they've shown this, year to do any better Than. 203 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 5: Tua this is this is a financial decision and them, 204 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: saying you know, what we would rather pay you fifty 205 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 5: four million dollars to not be our. 206 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: Quarterback next year because we are frustrated. 207 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 5: That you don't have what we see out of guys 208 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: Like Justin herbert and other guys that we. Admire Josh, 209 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: allen that's the, frustration and it's. Unfortunate maybe two pulls 210 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 5: himself out of, It maybe he gets another, opportunity but 211 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 5: it certainly doesn't look like it's going to happen In. 212 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: Miami So i'm Watching Josh allen right. Now he's four 213 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: and oh this year when his defense has given up 214 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: thirty one or more, points the rest of the league 215 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: is like six and. Eighty and SOMETIMES i wonder If 216 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: josh would have Inherited Andy reid And Travis, kelcey AND 217 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: i think to myself And mahomes went To buffalo with 218 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: a defensive, coach would their careers be. DIFFERENT i Think John, 219 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: elway WHEN i was a kid or, younger was the 220 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: best most talented Quarterback i've ever, seen arm, Movement stanford, 221 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: guy just toughness. EVERYTHING i look At josh And i'm, like, 222 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: well he's more talented Than. Mahomes he's bigger and. Stronger 223 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: do you see that or do you still Think mahomes 224 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: has a Magic that's why he's got the trophies that 225 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: Maybe josh doesn't. 226 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 5: HAVE i Think Josh allen ended up exactly where he 227 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 5: needed to end. Up you, know if you remember he 228 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 5: came into the, draft there was a little bit of you, 229 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 5: know it wasn't super, smooth and he went To buffalo 230 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 5: and he kind of hit a little bit from the 231 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: from the spotlight a little, bit and he. 232 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: Developed and of all the. 233 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 5: Quarterbacks That i've sort of evaluated or watched or even 234 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 5: just been a fan, OF i thought That Josh allen 235 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: made the biggest improvement from college to THE nfl in 236 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 5: a two year. SPAN i, mean he was absolutely amazing 237 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 5: once he once it clicked for him in THE nfl 238 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 5: and he has never looked. 239 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: Back and to, me you, know the defense is a. 240 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 5: Problem the defense is a problem if you're trying to 241 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 5: hoist The. Lombardi but this is a guy that can 242 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 5: literally put his team on his. Back he can go 243 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 5: above the x's and o's if THE mvp is truly 244 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 5: just THE mvp and not necessarily how your team is 245 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 5: doing and all that kind of. Stuff Josh allen would 246 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: be that. Guy he's he's. Otherworldly oh my team's down 247 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 5: twenty one to nothing to the team that's going to 248 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 5: be the one, seed The New England. Patriots no big. 249 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 5: Deal let's, go let's go win it on the, Road 250 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 5: no big. Deal that's kind of who he. Is and 251 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 5: when you have that kind of, grittiness, competitiveness, belief not 252 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: only your teammates believe in you that, way but the, 253 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: opponent the opposing, coaches they're, like, ah, shoot you know 254 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 5: It's Josh. 255 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 4: Allen's on the other. 256 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 5: Side that's what everyone's looking for when they say franchise, 257 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 5: quarterback and The Buffalo bills have, it AND i mean 258 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 5: they are so lucky and fortunate to have. 259 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: Them Matt hasselbeck is always appreciate you stopping, by and 260 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,479 Speaker 1: we'll see you after a great weekend On, Monday. 261 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: Buddy sounds. 262 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: Good See colin all, Right Matt hasselbeck love having him 263 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 6: on the. 264 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: Show be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 265 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: weekdays and neon eastern nine Am pacific On Fox Sports 266 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,479 Speaker 2: RADIO fs one and The iHeartRadio. 267 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 7: App Hey Is cavino And rich From Fox Sports Radio, 268 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 7: now in addition to hearing us live weekdays from five 269 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 7: to seven Pm eastern two to Four pacific On Fox Sports. 270 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 7: Radio we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel 271 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 7: for the. 272 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 6: Show, yep that's. 273 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 7: Right you can now Watch covino And rich live on 274 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 7: YouTube every. 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Good 283 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 6: SO i bet them to win THE Nba cup at long. 284 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 6: ODDS i was rooting for The spurs last night Against 285 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 6: knicks of two stuff and The spurs led by eleven 286 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 6: in the third. QUARTER i, mean did you watch that? 287 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 6: GAME i texted YOU i figured you ghosted. Me. 288 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: No thirteen to one run by The. Knicks they were 289 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: getting out, played. Trailed og played, Great bronson didn't shoot particularly. 290 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Well wemby didn't play particularly. Well, listen they got rid Of. 291 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: TIBs they bring In Mike, brown a well, traveled well like, 292 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: guy and we were all, Like. 293 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's gonna. 294 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Work there COULD i, ARGUE i don't think they have 295 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: a very good, bench not a hushable, bench and they 296 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: don't defend the three particularly. Well but CAN i argue 297 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: they're better. Offensively not quite as good defensively this, year 298 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: but they're a little better. Offensively would you agree with? 299 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 6: That totally? AGREE i was proud Of Mike. Brown he 300 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 6: Benched McHale bridges for the entire. Quarter, Yeah bridges wasn't playing. 301 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 6: Good kat got bench for about seven minutes in the. 302 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 6: Fourth they were riding With Jordan, Clarkson tyler Kolek, okay 303 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 6: the kid From. MARQUETTE i love his, game but Like, 304 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 6: tims wouldn't play those Guys colin a year. Ago so 305 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 6: Now Mike brown's here and he's, like, yo, listen we're 306 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 6: gonna play our bench guys if my starters aren't. Performing. 307 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah you. 308 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Know it's like When Mark jackson coached The warriors Than Steve. 309 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Kerr Mark jackson did define, job But steve was better. 310 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: Offensively The knicks are now number two, offensively and when 311 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: you watch, him it's LIKE i said ABOUT Jj reddick 312 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: Over Darvin. Ham darvin was great, defensively but you almost 313 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: felt the offense got jammed. Up when you WATCH Jj, 314 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: reddick it's like in THE nfl offensive coaches they just 315 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: get that side. 316 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: Better WHEN i watch The, KNICKS i think. 317 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: They feel more freed, up a little more creative. Offensively 318 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: not quite as good. Defensively but you're winning in this. 319 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: League if you can get, buckets. 320 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 6: They're the best team in The. East you would, agree, 321 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 6: RIGHT i MEAN i don't know that right. Now right, 322 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 6: Now cats have fallen Off. Celtics we don't know If 323 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 6: tatum's coming. BACK i know The pistons are, hot but it's, like. 324 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Come, on this is a Cade cunningham the last two 325 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: years has he is a top five or six, Player 326 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: but how about? This he's one of our he maybe 327 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: is he our best domestic player right? 328 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 6: Now, Yes i'll give him, that not Over cooper flag 329 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 6: In Austin. Reeves BUT i just had to, go oh, 330 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 6: GOD i just had to get him in. There come, 331 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 6: ON U. 332 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: J mack with the. 333 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: News, no, no this is The herdline news all. 334 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 6: Right it's weird. CALLED i think the media is getting 335 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 6: This tua situation, wrong AND i think you nailed it. 336 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 6: Earlier how this is a soft. Tank they're Benching toua 337 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 6: to lose. Games see what they've got in quinn, yours, 338 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 6: right McDaniel said, yesterday everything's on the table and now 339 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 6: yours is going to give them a chance to win. 340 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 6: Here but it's weird there's all this, like, oh, well 341 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 6: were we Trading tua? Two and then our guys are 342 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 6: looking at the cap hits and the contract is. Terrible, 343 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 6: colin nobody's taking on this, contract that's. 344 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Right so there's no market For, jua, Okay so if 345 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: there is a, market you don't want him. Hurt so 346 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: it's not like The dolphins will try to. Lose but 347 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: when you go to Quinn ewers Against Joe, burrow you're 348 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: going to. 349 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: Lose or Quinn. 350 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Ewers Against Baker mayfield Or drake May so they're gonna 351 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: go zero for three in these. Games they're still preparing to. 352 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: Win but they're Keeping tua upright and healthy if somebody does, 353 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: come because Remember jade And, Mayava i'm staying in, College 354 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Dante moore may stay in. College you say there's no 355 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: market For, tua wait around. 356 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: At march when you got one quarterback. 357 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: And teams like The raiders are, like, Okay i'm just 358 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: saw at The. Raiders so everybody says there's no market For. 359 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Tua be very. Careful If Dante moore Says i'm staying At, 360 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: oregon you're And Ty simpson Says i'm staying At. 361 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: Bama you don't. 362 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 6: Have a choice idea that they're gonna cut two and 363 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: take the dead cap. Hit look At denver With Russell. 364 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 6: WILSON i would just Argue denver had a. Plan there 365 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: was like five quarterbacks that we're gonna go in the top. Twelve, 366 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 6: okay Bo nicks had four years experience starting in college. 367 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 6: FOOTBALL i understood that where's the? Quarterback what's the? Plan 368 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 6: the secession plan For? Tua, now if Quinn ewers likes 369 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 6: the world on fire, here, okay maybe he's your starter 370 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 6: and two was the expensive. Backup BUT i think he'll 371 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 6: be on The dolphins roster in twenty twenty. Six would you? Agree? No, okay? 372 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 6: Five what roster is TO i don't know the, answer but, 373 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 6: no ooh bold, Wow i'm seeing This Kyler murray For tua. 374 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 6: Swap that's. Comical. Guys just, stop all, right let's move 375 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 6: on to uh. Again Josh allen and THE Mvp colin, listen, 376 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 6: man but you AND i agree at least on. This 377 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 6: Josh allen is the best quarterback in the league right now. 378 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 6: Period i'm sorry to The mahomes fan. Boys he didn't 379 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: bring it this, year And alan's been. Amazing that come 380 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 6: back against The patriots vaulted him back into THE mvp. 381 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 6: Discussion we got a little graphic, here so THE mvp Leader. Stafford, 382 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 6: guys do not lay it minus three hundred With stafford right, 383 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 6: now followed By Drake May Josh. Allen, oh look at 384 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 6: Bo nicks, said plus seventy five. Hundred the problem Is. 385 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 6: Stafford if they Don't if he doesn't deliver In, seattle 386 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 6: the next two games ARE i Think atlanta And. Arizona 387 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 6: they're not high profile. Games guess Who Josh allen has 388 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 6: after this The Philadelphia. Eagles, okay so If stafford, Stumbles 389 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 6: Josh allen next week goes and beats The. Eagles see 390 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 6: that game there week. Seventeen, oh it just happens to 391 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 6: be On fox and thirty million people will Watch Josh 392 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 6: allen take down The Super Bowl champces and he wins THE. 393 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 6: Mvp SO i, mean, LISTEN i Think stafford's been, great 394 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 6: but he doesn't Have Davante. 395 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Thursday does he get well again it's called most valuable. 396 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Player if you Took stafford off The rams and let's 397 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: say you Played Jimmy garoppolo's, BACKUP i think you could 398 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: be a five hundred team if you Take Josh allen 399 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: out of The bulls or out of The. BILLS i, 400 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: mean they're The dolphins like they're just they're not enough elite. 401 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: PLAYERS i don't. 402 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: Know so, again most VALUABLE i always said When lebron 403 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: was In, cleveland just give him the. Award it's not 404 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: he's the most. Value he was worth five hundred million 405 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: equity to the. Ownership Josh allen's the most valuable player 406 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: in this, league whether he wins the. Award, again The 407 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: rams are, defense are coaching our run. Game i'm not 408 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Saying stafford's not, great but he doesn't do anything out of. 409 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: Structure he's not a scramble. Guy he is a perfect. 410 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: Ace he is a great pitcher for this batting. Order Josh, 411 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: allen you take him out Of, buffalo the franchise is 412 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: worth a billion less like everything they. CAN'T i, mean 413 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: they're the number one run team in the. League, well 414 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: part of That's, josh not Just James. 415 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 6: Cook we Love. STAFFORDKHAN i know you love like a 416 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 6: top ten. Player if you Did rams And bills in 417 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 6: a Hypothetical Super bowl and you did your top ten players, 418 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 6: list how Many Buffalo bills on that? List Josh, Allen 419 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 6: James cook AND i, MEAN i Mean Dean dawkins is 420 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 6: really good to see crack the top. 421 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: Ten it's it's. Price it's probably eight. 422 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 6: Rams that's insane and to me that would Lead Josh 423 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 6: allen to be THE. Mvp but we'll see what the 424 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 6: what the voters have to. Say final storycl on to THE. 425 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: Nba Adam silver was holding court with the media before 426 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 6: THE Nba Cup championship, yesterday and, interestingly he talked about, 427 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 6: expansion buzzy word in the. League it's been out there 428 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 6: for a. While Adam silver basically saying expansion is coming next. 429 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 6: Year here's what he had to. 430 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 8: Say in terms of the domestic. Expansion that is something 431 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 8: we're continuing to look, at not a. Secret we're looking, 432 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 8: at you, know this market In Las vegas we've looked. 433 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 4: At we are looking At. 434 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: Seattle we've looked at other markets as. 435 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 8: Well i'd Say I'M i want to be sensitive there 436 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 8: about this notion that we're somehow teasing these markets BECAUSE 437 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 8: i know we've been talking about it for a, while 438 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 8: or in the process of you, know working with our 439 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 8: teams and gauging the level of interest and having a 440 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 8: better understanding of what the economics would be on the 441 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 8: ground for those particular. 442 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 4: Teams. 443 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: YEAH i, MEAN i don't think most sports In america need, 444 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: expansion BUT i do think there is a ton of 445 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: really good basketball talent. GLOBALLY i Think vegas is WHO 446 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: i would. Pick seattle And, vancouver they are a long 447 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: flight in a long winter, SEASON i would, say now 448 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: that hockey's In, SEATTLE i would put it In. VEGAS 449 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: i think in a winter, league everybody loves to go To. 450 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: Vegas, well you. 451 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 6: Got to do. Too you got to have even you, 452 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 6: know sixteen in each. Conference which leads me to. This 453 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 6: seattle And vegas Are West coast. Teams they will go 454 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 6: both in The Western, Conference so that means you've got 455 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 6: to move somebody to The east In. Milwaukee, Milwaukee milwaukee's 456 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: already in The. East but here's the. Thing minnesota And, 457 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: MEMPHIS i think we'll have a, knockdown drag out. Fight 458 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 6: get me away from the fur. Right luca And. WENDY 459 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 6: i don't want any part of that winning in The. 460 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: East you, KNOW i was confused Because i've said this for. 461 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: Years If chicago Wasn't chicago and hockey in The, west 462 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: If Michael jordan and The bulls would have been in The, 463 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: west he wouldn't have gone six for six because he 464 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: would have arguably made the finals and lost to The 465 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: pistons and The. 466 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: Celtics so sometimes. 467 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: Where you are, GEOGRAPHICALLY i Mean, lebron it was a 468 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: big advantage being in The, EAST i mean. Huge in The, 469 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: west it's just more intense games Like lebron in The 470 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: west has been very. Good they don't EVEN i Mean 471 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma city now is beating teams by sixteen a. Game 472 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: it's like it's over Like denver because A jokich's greatness 473 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: is always going to be. Viable and they Gave Okay 474 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: see some problems last. Year he's a hard. Matchup but 475 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: you know the league would, love you, know with The. 476 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: Pelicans The pelicans are in The. 477 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 6: West, yeah that's a. Goofy but here here's my. Thing 478 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: Anthony edwards has been talked about his potential face of the. 479 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 6: League he ain't breaking through The. West colin it's just 480 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 6: not there's too many good, teams too many stack. Rosters 481 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: you Put Anthony edwards in The, east he might be 482 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 6: in the finals in three. Years he's that. Good in 483 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 6: The east is really down. Man it's like there's a 484 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 6: couple of good. Players but If giannis gets, traded what 485 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 6: are they talking? About Houston? Rockets, MAYBE. Okc like everybody's 486 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 6: in The. WEST i would love If I'm Anthony edwards 487 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 6: to be in The Eastern. Conference he is A i 488 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 6: mean you Love Anthony. EDWARDS i, know, yeah, no. 489 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: NO i, mean, YEAH i Guess. 490 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: Minnesota, YEAH i mean it's, Yeah minnesota and The pelicans 491 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: go to The. East, NOW i mean The pelicans don't 492 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: make any sense in The west. 493 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 3: Flying To New. Orleans, yeah that doesn't make any. Sense 494 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: but it's. 495 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: Hard would you Take Anthony edwards moving him out of 496 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: The west to The. East he's been in the hasn't he? 497 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: Been the last Two Western conference? Finals he made one or. 498 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 6: Two but yeah, again looking, forward you know he's getting 499 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 6: his big contract coming. Up LIKE i JUST i Like 500 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 6: aunt a, lot one of my Favorite by the, way 501 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 6: he's a big ping pong. PLAYER i know you like 502 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 6: to table. Tennis it Up. Anthony he's just got that 503 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 6: magnetic personality That willy wins fans. 504 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: Over, Remember Halla burton And Jason tatum are coming back next, 505 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: Year so The east is sort of it's better than 506 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: we're giving it credit. For, ALSO i think The, sixers 507 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: Rookie sixers will get. Better, Oh halliburton comes, Back tatum comes. 508 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: Back it's a little artificial at this. Point The east is, 509 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: bad but it's got two of its top five players 510 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: and like real, playmakers real leaders of a franchise that are. 511 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: Out J mack with a. 512 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: News, well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by 513 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: The Herd Line news In. 514 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: Chicago it's the. 515 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: Third be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 516 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: weekdays and Noon easter not A Empacific. 517 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 6: Tonight it's a college hoops tripleheader ON fs, one starting 518 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: with a pair of biggie showdowns As creighton Battle, xavier 519 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 6: followed By Georgetown. Marquette then we head out to The 520 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 6: West coast Where Arizona state takes ON. Ucla it all 521 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 6: tips off at six Pm eastern here ON fs. 522 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: One you, know it's so funny to listen to everybody 523 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: to say college football is broke and it's falling. Apart 524 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: you could do yourself a favor and get rid of 525 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: twenty of your athletic. Programs why do you have fencing 526 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: and rowing and all these sports that don't make any. 527 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: MONEY i watch college. Football the ratings are, great the 528 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: stadiums are, packed the revenue is, unbelievable the boosters are all. 529 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: Engaged college football didn't have a. Problem college athletics is 530 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: a house of. Cards because you have thirty four athletic 531 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: teams in thirty two hemorrhage. 532 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: Money cut. 533 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: THEM i mean to, ME i would have, football men's and, women's, 534 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: basketball men's and, women's, whatever the stuff that you, know 535 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: baseball or, softball whatever makes money in, revenue and if 536 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: anything that supports Our olympic or Our World cup. MOVEMENT 537 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: i would keep soccer men's and. WOMEN'S i would keep 538 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: track and field men's and. Women's those support Our World 539 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: cup aspirations are Our olympic. Aspirations BUT i mean all 540 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: these athletic. Departments ALL i KNOW i watch. Football stadium's, packed, revenues, 541 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: flowing ratings are. Great college football is not the. Problem 542 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: the problem is you have all these. Programs they're all 543 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: hemorrhage and. Money SO i you, KNOW i look at college. Football, 544 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Now indiana And Texas tech are two of the top six, 545 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: teams seven teams in the. 546 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: Country it's. 547 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: Broken the little, Guy James madison two lanes in the 548 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: playoff and it's. BROKEN i, Mean Notre dame didn't get. 549 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: In James madison. Did you're telling me it's. Broken the 550 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: rich are only getting. Richer Notre dame did not get, 551 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: in but Two lane. Did that doesn't feel broken to. 552 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Me the little guys getting a little. Life the big 553 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: guys get in. Life you, Know you've always got some 554 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: big programs Like michigan and right now is sort, of you, 555 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: know a little bit of a mess. Obviously so you've 556 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: always got one of those programs out there that's a 557 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: big dog looking for a. 558 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: Coach BUT i don't. 559 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: KNOW i keep hearing about college football AND i, remember you, 560 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: KNOW i grew up on The West coast with The 561 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: pac twelve and when it, disbanded everybody freaked. Out and 562 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: my takeaway, Is i'm watching the games outside Of washington And. 563 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: Oregon there's a bunch of empty. 564 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: Seats nobody's going TO, ucla nobody's going to cal nobody's 565 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: going To. Stanford what's the point take the four best 566 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: teams and put them in The big, ten just like 567 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: The big. Twelve texas And oklahoma were, great but it 568 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: was a bunch of you, know, nonsense a bunch of you, 569 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: know small towns and can't drive. Revenue and Yet texas 570 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: And oklahoma have to share all their. REVENUE i don't. 571 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: KNOW i feel like The big ten in THE sec are. 572 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Money we still Have Notre dame And miami out there 573 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: that feel. 574 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: Big in THE. 575 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: Acc Texas tech has, emerged you, Know Utah zoha is. 576 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: VIABLE I Arizona state's kind of. Fascinating With dillingham coaching, 577 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: him he may. LEAVE i don't feel like it's. Broken 578 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: revenue is, Unbelievable ratings are through the. Roof The Big 579 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: ten's never been, stronger THE sec has never been. Stronger 580 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: there never been more GAMES i want to. WATCH i 581 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: was A pac twelve. GUY i was done Watching cal Against. 582 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: ARIZONA i did not need to see that another time 583 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: in my. Life you, know the bigger issue with college 584 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: sports is this unwillingness to look in the mirror and 585 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: look at your books and get rid of all these. 586 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: Apps you, know they, say what about title. Nine i'm 587 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: not saying get rid of women's. Programs i'm saying get 588 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: rid of, both get rid of a lot of this 589 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't make any. Money do you really need, fencing, rowing? 590 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: WRESTLING i don't. Know IT'S i just WHEN i see 591 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: an athletic department has thirty four, Teams how in the 592 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: world does some of these sports make. Money it's a 593 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: friends and family. Crowd it's like relatives or nobody goes 594 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: to the. Sport why do you have? 595 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: Them is there An is there a minimum number you 596 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: have to? HAVE i, MEAN i don't. 597 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: KNOW I i know football drives the. Bus you know there's, 598 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: another there's. Another you notice these. Highlights look at the. 599 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Crowd there's not a seat, available and those people aren't 600 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: getting in for five. BUCKS i, mean, look here's another 601 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: Game oregon. Game crowd pack looks like A nfl. GAME 602 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: i don't think college football has got a. Problem if 603 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: if your ratings and your revenue are, up you don't 604 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: have a problem with that. Sport you have the problem 605 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: with all the gravy trainers and college athletics that are 606 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: living off. Football got a lot of gravy trainers in 607 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: that athletic department with egos that think they're tennis programs. 608 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: Viable their water polo is a big. Deal can't give 609 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: me a. Break that's just you're just writing checks and 610 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: getting nothing. Back college football to, me never any any. 611 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: Business it doesn't matter what business it. 612 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: IS i don't. 613 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Care if you're a streaming, company you could be you 614 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: could Be. NETFLIX i go To. NETFLIX i watch a 615 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: lot On. Netflix if you, say, well they're not making, money, 616 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: well then fire the directors that can't create hit, shows 617 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: not the Ones i'm. Watching i'm watching streaming. Companies if 618 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: streaming companies aren't making, money it's not because of the top, 619 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: directors top, writers and top. Actors get rid of the middle. 620 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Down they're the one losing money Because i'm going to 621 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: those streaming services That i'm paying. For there's my ted 622 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: talk J. Mac you're watching as much college, football. 623 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 6: You, know there's this thing Called title nine that's Still. 624 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: OH i. 625 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: Know i'm not saying. 626 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: That i'm not saying to cut, No i'm. Not i'm 627 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: saying cut both men's and women's. Rowing i'm not saying 628 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: to cut one or the. Other i'm saying. Football and 629 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: THEN i would have five or six sports with. Both 630 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: but the idea you need thirty four programs in an 631 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: athletic department and thirty two lose, money twenty hemorrhage. 632 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: Money, me you're flying. Kids all cal right now is 633 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: flying people to The east. Coast there's nine people at the. 634 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 6: EVENT i didn't have this ranch on My bingo card this, 635 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 6: week So i'm not fully equipped to agree or disagree with. 636 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 6: You i'll just say. THIS i got two young, KIDS 637 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 6: i know their. FRIENDS a lot of people have gravitated 638 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: toward a sport like fencing because you know, what it's 639 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 6: an easier way to get into really good colleges if 640 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 6: you're an expert, fencer because there's not a lot of those. 641 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 6: Everybody football gives out a, ton, soccer all the major, 642 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 6: sports but it's these smaller sports how kids are able 643 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 6: to get into. 644 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: College by the, way those sports don't give out full. 645 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: SCHOLIES Ivy league doesn't give out. 646 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 6: Scholarships, No, no you can get like a partial or 647 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 6: they'll give you money that makes up for what would 648 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 6: be a scholarship because they can't do an. 649 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: Athletics i'm for men's and women's, soccer men's and women's, 650 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: basketball men's and women, track and. Field there's a lot of. 651 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: Stuff we have volleyball in. There come on volleyball. THERE 652 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: i like, volleyball but thirty Four athletic. 653 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: Program. 654 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 6: Listen you know. Rowing i'll tell you a rowing story off. Air. 655 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 6: Listen there's a it's an interesting. Discussion i'll just leave 656 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 6: it at. 657 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: That, well you get what if there's a rowing story that's. 658 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: LISTEN i got a rowing. Story it's highly. 659 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: CONTROVERSIAL i can't tell you on air this rowing. 660 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: Story