1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdic with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: with you. It was a blowout center in the Hawkeye state. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump wins the Iowa caucuses and no unstated terms, 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: it was a landslide. It was an incredible victory for him, 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: and that brings us to something else. It also is 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: going to be a really big deal for vertical listeners. 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: You have something big to talk about right now. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right. So you and I are sitting here. 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: It is ten twenty six pm on Tuesday. This podcast 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: will come out early Wednesday morning, so we're a day 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: after Iowa listen. The results in Iowa were extraordinary. Iowa 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: was hotly contested. The candidates spent a lot of time there. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: They vigorously fought, and the results were dominating. Trump won everywhere. 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: He won over fifty one percent of the vote. He 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: beat his closest competitor, Ron De Santis by over thirty points. 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: He won ninety eight out of ninety nine Iowa counties. 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: The only county lost is the most liberal county in Iowa, 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: and he lost that vote that that county by a vote. 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: It was as dominating a result as that there has 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: ever been in the Iowa caucus in anything resembling an 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: open caucus. As a result tonight, earlier tonight, I went 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: on Seohan Hannity and on Hannity, I have endorsed Donald J. 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 2: Trump for President of the United States, and I did 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: so because the results of Iowa are overwhelming and I 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: believe in democracy. I deliberately stat out of this race 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: until after the people of Iowa voted, and the reason 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: is we had a contested race. I am friends with 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: multiple candidates in this race. I believe the voters out 29 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: to determine who our nominee is. 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: Well they have. 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: The results were compelling, and so as a result, I 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: have enthusiasmstically and endorse Donald Trump. I think it is 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: time for the party to come together. It is time 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: for us to unite because the stakes are so incredibly high. 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: I believe at this point it is clear who our 36 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: nominee is going to be. Donald Trump is going to 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: be the Republican nominee, and I think it's critical we 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: win in November. Listen, the forces that are a rayed 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: against Donald Trump have never been a raid against any 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: candidate in the history of our nation. It is extraordinary. 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: Foreign indictments, the media, the corruption. It is breathtaking now. Frankly, 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: the Democrats who indicted Donald Trump played a real role 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: in giving him this overwhelming victory in Iowa. And so 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: every one of them when we're sitting here on January 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: twentieth of next year at President Trump's second inauguration, they 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: ought to pause and reflect on the pivotal role they 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: played in making this happen. That being said, Joe Biden 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: and the Democrats have been a disaster for our nation. 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: The American people are hurting, the people of Texas are hurting, 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: and we need to change the path we're on. And 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: so I've endorsed Trump because I enthusiastically want President Trump 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: to win in November. I want us to change the 53 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: path we're on, and we need to work to make 54 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: that happen. 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: You look at how decisive this victory was, and I 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: want to just really get into the minutia this for 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: a second. Trump got more votes in Iowa than Rohnda 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: Santasniki Hale, and Vivek combined. That was such a strong message. 59 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: He also didn't do any of the televised debates, and 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: that's where I was looking at this and seeing it 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: and going this is a clear message, I think to 62 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and to the Democratic Party that you can 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: come after Donald Trump. You can come after him in 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: legal terms. You can get mug shots of him, you 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: can put things on him that are egregious and absurd. 66 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: You can have rogue and disgusting prosecutors like we've witnessed 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: in Georgia for example, And it's not scaring voters away 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump. How much of an important aspect of 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: this victory do you think dealt with that that they said, hey, 70 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: we're going to take him off the ballot Colorado and 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: all these other states, and the people said, not only 72 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: are we not going to let you do this, but 73 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: we're going to stand up and we're going to stand 74 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: behind him, and we're going to send a clear message, 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I think, to all of these people coming after him. 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: Trump got fifty one percent in Iowa. That means he 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: got more votes than everybody in the ballot. He got 78 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: more votes than Ron De Santis and Nikki Hayley and 79 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: vivek He got more votes than Chris Christie's dropped out. 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Added to Asa Hutchinson, added to Ben Ferguson and mother 81 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: Teresa add all of them. Now Trump got more. And 82 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: by the way, Ben, I apologize, I'm sorry you suffered 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: such a crushing defeat. 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I did see to the endorsement, Sarah. I needed that endorsement. 85 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: But there's always four years from now, right. 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: You know, the future is always there for you. But 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: look at the end of the day, as I said, 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: when we're here on January twentieth, Alvin Bragg and Fanny 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: Willis and Jack Smith, they ought to remember this moment 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: because they played a pivotal role in it happening. And look, 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: Americans across this country were horrified at the persecution. The 92 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: Democrats are afraid. Joe Biden is afraid that if the 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: voters get a free choice, they'll choose to elect President Trump, 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: and as a result, they are abusing the legal process. 95 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: They're going after him. They're trying to destroy him, and 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: millions of people said enough is enough, this is grotesque. 97 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm with him. That's powerful, and I understand every bit 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: of it. 99 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: When you will get where we go next, and you've 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: obviously done this as a candidate, explain what's going to 101 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: happen next, moving from Iowa to New Hampshire to South 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: Carolina and how quickly you think this could People will 103 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: coalesce behind former President Donald Trump the same way that 104 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: you're saying, Now there's a queer message. 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: He's going to be the nominee. 106 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: But explain the politics of this and now what will 107 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: happen in this next phase. 108 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: Look, I think this race is functionally over. Where we are. 109 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: Ron de Santis's campaign depended upon his winning Iowa. He 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: didn't and he not only didn't win, it wasn't close. 111 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: He lost by over thirty points. That is a crushing 112 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: blow to that campaign. We moved to New Hampshire. New 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: Hampshire is historically a more moderate state, is a flinty 114 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: independent state. In New Hampshire, DeSantis's numbers are incredibly low. 115 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: They're single digits. Chris Christy, who had been polling in 116 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: the low double digits, is out of the race. Vivek, 117 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: who had a little bit of support, is out of 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: the race. In New Hampshire, it's basically a two person 119 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: race between Trump and Nicki Haley. The current polling shows 120 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: them pretty close. Nicky Haley is running as an establishment moderate. 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: That's the lane she's in. That has always been a 122 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: lane in the Republican primary and she's consolidated the establishment 123 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: moderate vote. At the end of the day, I don't 124 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: know how she'd do in New Hampshire. She may do 125 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: well in New Hampshire because the establishment moderate lane historically 126 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: has been a sizeable lane in New Hampshire. Nationally, establishment 127 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: moderates are about thirty percent of the Republican Party, and 128 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: I got to say, is just a simple question of math. 129 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: There is no way thirty percent beats seventy percent. And 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: so New Hampshire we'll see where it is. Nicki Haley 131 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: will probably do pretty well. I think Trump likely wins 132 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: New Hampshire, but it may be relatively close. But after 133 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: that we're going to go to Nevada. Nevada is a 134 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: strange state this year because there's a fight between a 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: caucus and a primary, and it's I think the results 136 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: in Nevada are going to be a mess this year. 137 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: So then you will move to South Carolina, where the 138 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: primary is now. Nikki Haley is obviously the former governor 139 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: of South Carolina, but South Carolina is a pretty conservative state, 140 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: is significantly more conservative than New Hampton. Sure Historically, Iowa 141 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: and South Carolina often vote together, and frequently New Hampshire 142 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: is an outlier in that I think it is likely 143 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: that when we get to South Carolina, Trump will win 144 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: a dominating victory that I think he's likely to beat 145 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: Nicki Haley by double digits and it could be by 146 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: thirty forty points. I think it will be a big 147 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: victory in South Carolina. And at that point I think 148 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: the race is over. We will move on to Super Tuesday. 149 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: You get a whole bunch of states. It's Super Tuesday 150 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: has sometimes been referred to as the SEC Primary. You 151 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: get a lot of Southern states. I think Trump is 152 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: likely to win across the board on Super Tuesday, and 153 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: so I think at the latest this race is over 154 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: by Super Tuesday. 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: When you look at these other candidates and they're now 156 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: sitting there, there's one big problem, and that is raising 157 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: funds and inspiring people. When you lose, and you lose badly, 158 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: you got to try to go back and rally the troops. 159 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: You got to move on. 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: You got a staff that's been you know, the air 161 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: has been let out of the balloon. You've been doing 162 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: this now for months on end, and you have these 163 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: types of showings as you mentioned with DeSantis and Haley. 164 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: Vivick obviously dropping out, what's going through their minds tonight 165 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: moving forward as well? And how much I guess leeway 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: should people give Because you see this online, people are like, 167 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, drop out now, it's Trump's you know, get 168 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: out of the way. You need to call left behind 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: right now. And if you don't, we'll never forgive you. 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we see a ton of that in politics. 171 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: But what perspective and how long should it take them 172 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: to kind of get their head around the reality of this. 173 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: Look that'll play out in time. I'm not pressing anyone 174 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: to drop out that they're going to decide. By the way, 175 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: everyone in presidential campaigns drops out for the same reason 176 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: they go broke. That ultimately, if you look throughout history, 177 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: decade after decade, that's when people drop out. When they 178 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: can't pay their salary anymore, when they can't fly anymore, 179 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: when they can't put it on an event anymore, when 180 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: they can't run a anymore. When they go broke, they 181 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: drop out. DeSantis has an enormous problem. He is going 182 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: to have a massive problem raising money at this point. 183 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: He will probably raise some money in Florida. So there 184 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: are a handful of people in Florida he's still the 185 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: governor of Florida. So if you're a lobbyist in Florida, 186 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: if you're a big business in Florida, you'll probably still 187 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: write him a check because when he loses, he's still 188 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: going to be the governor of Florida, so you don't 189 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: want to piss him off. So he'll raise a little 190 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: bit of money from Florida. But if you're not in Florida, 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't know anyone that's going to write him a 192 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: check right now, So that's going to be a huge problem. 193 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: Haley. 194 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: Haley has had a surge of cash, and she'll get 195 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: a bigger surge of cash. The never Trumpers Wall Street 196 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: will be enthusiastically behind Hailey. The people who hate Donald 197 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: Trump with a burning passion will be enthusiastically behind Hailey. 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: So she's going to get a rush of cash. But 199 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a rush of cash 200 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: can't buy vote. Jeb Bush in twenty sixteen had a 201 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: mountain of cash and at the end of the day 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: he won zero states. Nicky Hayley has a path I 203 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: believe at best to win one state. It is conceivable 204 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: she wins New Hampshire. I think she probably doesn't. I 205 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: think Trump is likely to win New Hampshire, but you 206 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: can imagine Haley winning New Hampshire. But at that point 207 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: the path is over. So I think there'll be a 208 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: ton of money and once you get the race could 209 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: be over before Super Tuesday. Listen, if Trump wins, He's 210 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: won Iowa, if he wins New Hampshire, if he wins 211 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 2: South Carolina. It's difficult to see how anyone stays in the. 212 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: Race go backfire. 213 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this about nick You do you 214 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: think it'll backfire that the New Hampshire GOP primary debate 215 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: has now been canceled, that after Nicky Haley has pulled 216 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: out of those debates. It's being reported by ABC News 217 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: if they have canceled their New Hampshire primary debate after 218 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: he said she won't she would. 219 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 3: Only appear if Trump did. 220 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: The former President Trump has not been part of any 221 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: of the previous five debates. I can't imagine why he 222 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: would change his strategy now. But her dropping out, I 223 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: actually think that could turn off a lot of voters 224 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: to her in New Hampshire. What are your thoughts? 225 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's a hard dynamic because without Trump there 226 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: at this point Haley debating De Santis would just be 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: weird because DeSantis. I like Ron, He's a friend of mine. 228 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: He was a great governor of Florida. He still is 229 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: a great governor of Florida. He doesn't have a path anymore. 230 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: And so I get Haley saying, well, why would I 231 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: debate Ron de Santis when he doesn't have a path 232 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: her opponent? Hailey's only opponent is Donald Trump, and so 233 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: a debate against anyone not named Donald J. Trump doesn't 234 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: make a whole lot of sense. That being said. From 235 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: Trump's perspective, why on earth would he debate Haley. I mean, 236 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: he's I think he's won this race. That's why I've 237 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: endorsed him. I think it is functionally over and I 238 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: want us to win in November. And I got to 239 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: say I'm comfortable, very comfortable with that endorsement. Look, there 240 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: are things Trump says and does that I don't like, 241 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: that I disagree with. That's been true forever. But if 242 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: I compare the record of Donald Trump as president to 243 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: the record of Joe Biden as president, it's not even close. 244 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: Under the former, the benefits for the people of Texas 245 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: and the American people were massive, we had prosperity, we 246 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: had a secure border, we had peace worldwide. Compared to 247 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 2: under Biden. We have skyrocketing inflation. We have crime out 248 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: of control. We have the worst illegal immigration in the 249 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: history of our country. We have the biggest war in 250 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: Europe since World War II. We have the worst war 251 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: in the Middle East in fifty years. On any measure, 252 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: Trump's record is massively, massively, massively better than Joe Biden's, 253 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: and so that for me makes me very comfortable. I 254 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: want us to win in November. 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Make the switch today, Patriotmobile dot com slash verdict. 299 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: That's Patriot Mobile dot com slash verdict or nine to 300 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: seven to two Patriot. 301 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: Senator. 302 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: I also want to ask you about the issues every 303 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: election cycle, presidential specifically, you have certain themes and you 304 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: have certain issues that get and drive voters to the polls. 305 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: As a candidate, you've got to make sure you're hitting 306 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: those issues. And when you look at what this overwhelming 307 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: victory in Iowa means for Donald Trump, it means he's 308 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: talking the right issues. When you look forward, I think 309 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: it's clear it's the economy stupid, it's the worries about inflation, 310 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: it is the worries about high interest rates. 311 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: It's the worries about national security. 312 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: And it's still going back to what actually made his 313 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: campaign explode in sixteen, build the Wall. 314 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: I mean, there is. 315 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: A national security aspect to the open borders and the 316 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: chaos down there. If he goes back and stays on 317 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: these issues, yes, which he's been doing so far pretty well. 318 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: This seems to be what this election is going to 319 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: be about. Is were you better off then than you 320 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: are now under Joe Biden's America. 321 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are two massive issues in this election. Number 322 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: one is jobs in the economy. And jobs in the 323 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: economy are always front and center in any election. As 324 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: you noted, James Carville famously put it in Bill Clinton's election, 325 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: it's the economy stupid. Like people care about jobs. They 326 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 2: care about their family, they care about their income, they 327 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: care about paying the bills, they care about their children, 328 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: they care about their future. And the economy Joe Biden 329 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: is driven into the ground. The inflation is hurting everyone. 330 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: Whether you're buying food, whether you're paying for electricity, where 331 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: you're paying for the health care, whether you're paying for gasoline. 332 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: Everything the cost has gone up and people are hurting 333 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: people are really unhappy. They're feeling the pain. The second 334 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: issue that resonates powerfully is safety and security. And people 335 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: want to be safe. They want their families to be safe, 336 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: they want their wives, their children to be safe. And 337 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: under Joe Biden, people's safety and security has been seriously compromised. 338 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: And that's a combination of multiple issues. That's a combination 339 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: of crime, crime skyrocketing everywhere as Democrats have assaulted the police, 340 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: attacked the police, and stood with violent criminals against law enforcement. 341 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: That has made all of us less safe. You combine 342 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: that with illegal immigration, and people don't like the chaos, 343 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: they don't like all of the horrors that are unplaying. 344 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: But they also don't like the threat to their families 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: and their children that illegal immigration, that bringing in criminals 346 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: and murders and gang bangers and MS thirteen and terrorists 347 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: to this country, the danger that provides. And you put 348 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: on top of that the wars that we have, the 349 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: war in Ukraine, the war in Israel, the exposure we 350 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: have to a major terrorist attack in the next year, 351 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: which I think is massive. And people feel that they 352 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: feel afraid, They feel afraid for their safety and security, 353 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: and I think those two issues jobs in the economy 354 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: and safety and security are going to dominate this election, 355 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: and on both of those the Democrats are a train 356 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: wreck and Trump's record objectively is massively better. 357 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: I got to ask you one other thing about this 358 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: real quick, and it's going to make you laugh. I 359 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: have a feeling I'm going to know something, and this 360 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: rarely happens that you don't know. In the odds in Vegas, 361 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: the odds Makers today center added a name to the 362 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: list of prospects who you can bet on to become 363 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: president of the United States of America. 364 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: You know who they added. 365 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: Today, Benjamin Ferguson, right, and now President Ferguson. I look 366 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: forward to visiting your giant block of cheese in. 367 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: The Western close. 368 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: But my name is still not where the odds makers 369 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: it is none other than Michelle Obama. They are taking 370 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: official bets now, the odds makers that Michelle Obama could 371 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: become president of the United States of America this after 372 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: the Iowa Caucuses they update their list. Her name has 373 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: now officially been added. It is a head by the 374 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: way of people like Kennedy Junior, for example, and it's 375 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: ahead of I'm trying to remember they had somebody else 376 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: on there, Oh it was. It's ahead of the governor 377 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: of California, Gavin Newsom. The odds makers are saying Michelle 378 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: Obama out of nowhere. She's not running, right, But we've 379 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: been We've been saying this on Verdict. Are you a 380 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: little surprised by this? 381 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. And listen, remember this podcast predicted it first. Now. 382 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: I still don't think it's greater than fifty percent that 383 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: Michelle is the Democrat nominee. But as I said recently, 384 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: I think on last week of the week before's podcast, 385 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: I think it's probably fifty five forty five that it 386 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: is Joe Biden versus Michelle Obama. I think it is 387 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: almost a coin flip. And I think Gavin Newsom has 388 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: a zero percent chance. I think there's no other Democrat 389 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: that has a chance. It will be one of the two. 390 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: We said this early, Franklin, we said this early. You 391 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: saw folks in the media kind of say, Okay, this 392 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: is an outlandish theory. Who are these crazy loons Cruz 393 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: and Ferguson that are pitching this. And to be clear, 394 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: I want to be unambiguous. I do not want to 395 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: see a nation when Michelle Obama is our president. I 396 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: think she is extreme left. I think her policies would 397 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: be worse than Joe Biden. But I think Democrats are scared. 398 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: They're scared that Donald Trump will win. They recognize Joe 399 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: Biden is a liability they're looking to get out, and 400 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: I think the only parachute they see is Michelle Obama 401 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: And so that that concern is real, and I think 402 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: it's growing every day. 403 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: The odds, just so you know, Donald Trump is eleven 404 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: to eight now and the best odds you can get 405 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is nine to four, Nikki Haley fourteen to one, 406 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama twenty to one, and Gavin News from twenty 407 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: five to one. So for all of those that thought 408 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: that that was a crazy idea, they're now taking that 409 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: in Vegas. 410 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: Is it is? 411 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: It is very interesting to see how quickly her name 412 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: after that interview which we talked about a week ago 413 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: here where she did that sit down interview and said 414 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: it keeps her up at night wondering who's going to 415 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: be leading this country and we need a strong and 416 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: powerful leader. 417 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: She was talking like a candidate. 418 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: They obviously have noticed it as well, And now you 419 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: can officially take that bets with the odds makers. 420 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: There. 421 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty four and a lot of us are 422 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: trying to get our finances in order. 423 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: There is some great news for homeowners. 424 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: Interest rates have dropped and are now in the fives, 425 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: a lot lower than they were last year. 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And it's another issue that 443 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to hear about probably anywhere but here, 444 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: and you might see it on Fox. Hunter Biden is 445 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: back in the news barely keyword barely, and The Washington 446 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: Post Matt Weiser tweeted this out, saying, in a new 447 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: court filing, the Department of Justice said they pulled Hunter 448 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: Biden's gun from evidence in twenty twenty three and found 449 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: a white substance on the leather gun pouch. An FBI 450 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: chemist determined it was cocaine. To be clear, quote, investigators 451 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: literally found drugs on the pouch where the defendant has 452 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: kept his gun. And yet no one's talking about cocaine 453 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: found on the leather pouch. 454 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: Of the president's sons firearm. 455 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: Really, so look, Hunter Biden is a world of trouble. 456 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: Anyone who pays attention knows that this filing this week 457 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: from the Department of Justice was really stunning. It is 458 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: a felony for someone who has a substance abuse problems, 459 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: for someone who's using illegal drugs to have a firearm. 460 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: Here's what the Biden Department of Justice said in their 461 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: written brief filed in court. I just want to read this. 462 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: It is the following paragraph title, Cocaine was found on 463 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: the defendant's brown leather gun pouch. 464 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: Here's what the paragraph says. 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, FBI investigators pulled sealed evidence from 466 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: the state police vault to take photographs of the defendant's 467 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: firearmant being Hunter Biden. After opening the evidence, FBI investigators 468 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: observed a white pottery substance on the defendant's brown leather 469 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: pouch that had held the defendants firearm in October twenty eighteen. 470 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: Based on their training and expertise, investigators believed that this 471 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: substance was likely cocaine and that this evidence would corroborate 472 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: the messages that investigators had obtained which showed the defendant 473 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: buying and using drugs in October twenty eighteen. An FBI 474 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: chemist subsequently analyzed the residue and determined that it was cocaine. 475 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: To be clear, investigators literally found drugs on the pouch 476 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: where the defendant had kept his gun. Now, look, this 477 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: is reminiscent of Bob Menendez having evidence in his closet 478 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: of a jacket with the US Senate seal on it 479 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: with the name Senator Menendez typed on it with a 480 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 2: packet of ten thousand dollars in its pocket, with the 481 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: fingerprints of the Egyptians who allegedly bribed him. 482 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: In his post. 483 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: Like I gotta tell you, I practiced law a lot 484 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: of years. You don't get evidence like this. You don't 485 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: get evidence that ties every piece of it together. The 486 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: fact that Hunter his gun case had cocaine on it, 487 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 2: and the FBI is determined yep, that's cocaine on his 488 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: gun case. The felony is possessing a firearm while using 489 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: illegal drugs. Your gun case has cocaine on it. I 490 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: don't care how bad a lawyer you are, that ain't 491 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: hard to prove. And and and let's be clear, the 492 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: Biden DOJ was prepared to give a sweetheart deal to Hunter. 493 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: Biden give him a slap on the wrist and have 494 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: him serve zero, not a moment of jail time until 495 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: they got caught at it. And so this evidence, by 496 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: the way, while they knew that the crime he committed, 497 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: which is a felony, lying on this form to buy 498 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: a gun. I mean, you can't make notice center cocaine 499 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: on the pouch of the gun. 500 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: How much what it be for you to have a 501 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: cage than this? 502 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: Look, I want to say something original that's never been 503 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: said before. 504 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: Cocaine. She don't lie, She don't lie. Cocaine. 505 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, welcome to your DOJ right now. If you're 506 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: the President's signed, you can have cocaine on your gun 507 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: and they still will try to give you a sweetheart 508 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: deal to cover it up. 509 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: By the way, but Ben, don't forget the mystery of 510 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: the century. The Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, 511 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: the entire amassed forces of the federal government cannot figure 512 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: out who left a packet of cocaine in the White House. 513 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: With cameras everywhere, in security guards everywhere, it's a mystery. 514 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: Who the hell can figure it out? And his name 515 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: might rhyme with Bunter Heyden. 516 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: All right, I can, I can. 517 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: I can ask this because it's a podcast, I can 518 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: use this word, So I'm going to use it. Which 519 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: one and we'll end with this center pisses you off 520 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: more that they can't figure out whose cocaine it was 521 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: in the White House, or that they can't figure out 522 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: who leaked the decision coming out of the Supreme court 523 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: on Roe v. 524 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 3: Wade. 525 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: So let me break those down. And I actually I'm 526 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: joking with the Bunter Hyden thing. But as we said 527 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: or a previous podcast and go back, I actually don't 528 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: think it's Hunter Biden's cocaine, really, okay, because and we 529 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: talked about this, right. 530 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: That's right, because I believe it totally is. 531 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: No, it's not because the place it's at is where 532 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: the staff goes in and out. I think it's a staffer. 533 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the chief of staff or 534 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: the deputy chief of staff or a senior official, but 535 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: it's an employee and probably a senior employee. But I 536 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: don't know that of the Biden White House because Hunter Biden, 537 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: as the presidential son, doesn't go through the staff entrance 538 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: to the West Wing. I go through all there all 539 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: I used to. I haven't been there in years, but 540 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: when Trump was president, I went through there all the time. 541 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: That's where staff goes in and out. It's not where 542 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 2: the first family goes in and out. And so I 543 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: actually think the cover up there is they are hiding 544 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: for a staffer who was dumb enough to bring his 545 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: or her cocaine into the White House. So I was 546 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: being a smart ass saying saying it was Hunter Biden's, 547 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: but I actually don't think that's Hunters. I do think 548 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: the cocaine on his gun pouch was Hunters, but that's 549 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: that's a different thing between the two. It's not even 550 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: close in terms of what the public consequence is, which 551 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: is the leaking of the draft opinion from the Supreme 552 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: Court was consequential at historic levels. It undermined the rule 553 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: of law, It undermined the Supreme Court, and I think 554 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: it is an absolute outrage that they have not tracked 555 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: down and prosecuted the person who did so. So between 556 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: the two, it's not even close. But I got to say, 557 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: more broadly on the cocaine issue, Look, this DOJ filing 558 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: illustrates that the evidence against Hunter is compelling. It's overwhelming. 559 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: And mind you that the Biden DOJ has let the 560 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: most serious offenses, has let the statute limitations expire. They're 561 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: trying to let them off. Remember remember, remember we said 562 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: this in our last podcast. The target of this investigation, 563 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: if you're looking looking at the public interest, is not 564 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: and should not be Hunter Biden. The guy is a poor, 565 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: sad sack who's got enormous problems. But the reason this 566 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: is a matter of public import is because Joe Biden, 567 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: Daddy Biden, who's the President of the United States, has 568 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: now years and even decades of history of corruption of 569 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: selling official favors for millions of dollars going to his family, 570 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: and so this filing from the Biden DOJ just shows 571 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: they've got the evidence like crazy, and yet they're bending over. 572 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Ben, do you think all right? 573 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: You own a gun store. Yeah, I want to ask 574 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: you a question. At your gun store, if the FBI 575 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: came in and found cocaine on a brown leather package 576 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: that was holding guns, what do you think how do 577 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: you think they would treat Ben Ferguson. 578 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: I would be in jail and it would be bad. Yeah, 579 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: it wouldn't even be. 580 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: Up for debate, like not close, like sing sing, don't 581 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: bend over for the soap. Ben, nice to know you. 582 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: I'll write your letter, I'll bake you a cake and 583 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: put a file in it. 584 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that would be how they would treat I 585 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: think pretty much anybody that doesn't have the connections that 586 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: he has. 587 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: Now, if your name were Benjamin Biden, by the way, 588 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: you would be driving a sweet car. You might have 589 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: a private plane. You would be living life well because 590 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: you'd be able to sell favorsome daddy. 591 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to be the last name. I have 592 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: the last name Biden. That's all they can say. It'll 593 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what they do now with this 594 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: coming out. 595 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: As mel Brooks said, it's good to be the king. 596 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: It's good to be the king. Don't forget. We did 597 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: a show Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Please make sure you hit 598 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: that follow or subscribe button, especially if you're on Apple 599 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: Listing right now. You got to check and make sure 600 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: that you hit it regularly for your favorite podcasts because 601 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: they've changed those algorithms there. It's frustrated. I know a 602 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: lot of vertical listeners. Make sure you do that. 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