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Speaker 4: All right, Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints.
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Speaker 4: It's fair enough.
Speaker 5: Because there's also just a ton of breaking news this morning.
Speaker 5: One of the weirdest days on Capitol Hill yesterday. We
Speaker 5: have tons of audio video.
Speaker 3: Three different fights.
Speaker 4: Right, it just says fight.
Speaker 5: There are many fights, and we will take you through them,
Speaker 5: from the tweets to the video clips. You will go
Speaker 5: on this journey alongside us, because it really is a journey. Also,
Speaker 5: China and the United States reached.
Speaker 4: A climate agreement last night.
Speaker 5: The State Department announced that are around ten pm last
Speaker 5: night because President Biden and Shi Jinping are meeting today.
Speaker 5: The climate agreement is on joint efforts to as the
Speaker 5: New York Times put it, ramp up renewable.
Speaker 4: Energy as we're heading forward.
Speaker 5: So that's a huge today. That was a big piece
Speaker 5: of breaking news last night.
Speaker 3: China has basically cornered the market on clean energy, and
Speaker 3: the US, through the Inflation Reduction Act, put hundreds of
Speaker 3: billions of dollars into it. So what they're selling, we're buying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no question about that also last night, Ryan,
Speaker 5: this is where we're starting today, the Israeli invasion of
Speaker 5: Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza began.
Speaker 3: It's just an incredible kind of phrase to use in
Speaker 3: a news show.
Speaker 5: So right in the Israeli side, we can put the
Speaker 5: first element up on the screen.
Speaker 4: This is from the IDF.
Speaker 5: They announced that, based on intelligence, information and operational necessity,
Speaker 5: IDEA forces are carrying out a precise and targeted operation
Speaker 5: against Tamas in a specified.
Speaker 4: Area in the Shifa Hospital.
Speaker 5: The IDEF is conducting a ground operation in Gaza to
Speaker 5: defeat Hamas and rescue our hostages. Israel is at war
Speaker 5: with Hamas, not with the civilians of Gaza.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: They went on to add there the IDEA forces include
Speaker 5: medical teams and Arabic speakers who have undergone specified training
Speaker 5: to prepare for this complex and sensitive environment. Ryan, Complex
Speaker 5: and sensitive environment is one way to put it. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's you know, that funny, but yeah, you're right, yeah,
Speaker 5: And I think that's why people were sort of as
Speaker 5: this became clear that it was happening yesterday afternoon and
Speaker 5: into the evening, people were sort of glued to the
Speaker 5: scenario because the humanitarian situation is we can actually even
Speaker 5: roll clips of what we're getting from Gaza. So far
Speaker 5: we have this, Yeah, look at this, this is from
Speaker 5: inside Schifa Hospital. Already incredible scenes. Now Israel I think
Speaker 5: a lot of people can probably predict. Beyond the IDF piece,
Speaker 5: there's senior administration officials talking senior Times from the US
Speaker 5: saying that there are Hamas tunnels underneath the chief of
Speaker 5: hospital and Tabot Magazine before we started, Ryan, you said, well, yes,
Speaker 5: Israel knows there are tunnels under the hospital because Israel
Speaker 5: built the tunnels in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Israel built the tunnels and they built a kind
Speaker 3: of bunker down there. So they're going to find a
Speaker 3: bunker and tunnels. We know that for sure. So Tablet
Speaker 3: Magazine wrote, I'll even read it while we're rolling this
Speaker 3: and people who are listening on the podcast, this is
Speaker 3: a scene. It looks like an airstrike debris kind of
Speaker 3: blasting through the hospital. Tablet Magazine wrote, the Israelis are
Speaker 3: so sure about the location of the Hamas bunker, not
Speaker 3: because they are trying to score propaganda points or because
Speaker 3: it has been repeatedly mentioned in passing by Western reporters.
Speaker 3: And we'll go back to that point about the Western
Speaker 3: reporters again, but because they built it back in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three, when Israel still ruled Gaza. They built a
Speaker 3: secure underground operating room and tunnel network beneath Shifa Hospital,
Speaker 3: which is one among several reasons why Israeli security sources
Speaker 3: are so sure that there is a main Hamas command
Speaker 3: bunker in or around the large cement basement beneath the
Speaker 3: area of Building two of the hospital, which reporters are
Speaker 3: obviously prohibited from entering. Back to that point about Western reporters,
Speaker 3: So a lot of reporters have talked about how if
Speaker 3: they're going to interview Hamas officials, oftentimes those interviews and
Speaker 3: at Alshifa Hospital, Hamas soldiers are treated at Al Shifa Hospital.
Speaker 3: There's no question that you know, the mystery of health
Speaker 3: is run by Hamas. Like the idea that you're going
Speaker 3: to find the bunkers and tunnels used by Hamas is
Speaker 3: as obvious right that if you are Hamas, you're you're
Speaker 3: the Quasi government. You know of the of the Gaza strip,
Speaker 3: and there are all of these tunnels, you're going to
Speaker 3: use them. So I've never been able to connect and
Speaker 3: maybe you can explain to me, how people on the
Speaker 3: right make this connection. I've never been able to connect
Speaker 3: the idea that there are tunnels underneath the hospital, and
Speaker 3: let's say there's even like a command and control center,
Speaker 3: and therefore we need to bomb the hospital. I would understand, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to kind of surround the hospital, We're going
Speaker 3: to ask everybody to who's involved with Hamas to come out.
Speaker 3: If not, we're going to raid the bunker. I understand that,
Speaker 3: But I don't understand the connection between there are tunnels
Speaker 3: underneath Gaza. Above those tunnels are hospitals and schools and
Speaker 3: et cetera. Therefore we need to bomb the hospitals and schools. Like,
Speaker 3: how do people in their mind make that link?
Speaker 5: Well, I think this is actually why this entire hospital
Speaker 5: question is in many ways representative of the fault lines
Speaker 5: in the larger conflict, which is that I find it
Speaker 5: believable that because of how dense Gaza is, how small
Speaker 5: of an area it is, how densely populated it is,
Speaker 5: it's it's almost impossible to quote eradicate Hamas without mass
Speaker 5: civilian casualties. I mean, I don't know how you accomplish
Speaker 5: the eradication.
Speaker 3: Right it's a social movement with a military wing, right
Speaker 3: right embedded in the population right exactly.
Speaker 5: And so at the same time though, that then requires
Speaker 5: you to place an enormous amount of trust in what
Speaker 5: the IDF is telling you and what the Israeli government
Speaker 5: is telling you.
Speaker 4: And for a lot of.
Speaker 5: People who want to be fully pro as rule and
Speaker 5: who understand that, you know, Hamas has put its own
Speaker 5: people in horrible danger, who understand.
Speaker 4: That Hamas has.
Speaker 5: Taken steps that led to the does of many people,
Speaker 5: because Israel can't just sit back and say we're going to,
Speaker 5: you know, allow our civilians to be massacred without a response.
Speaker 4: So even from that perspective, you have to.
Speaker 5: Then trust that the IDEAF and the Israeli government are
Speaker 5: saying that they are minimizing civilian casualties and that they
Speaker 5: are doing everything they can. You know, we put that
Speaker 5: first element up on the screen, which was the announcement
Speaker 5: from the IDF that said, we are putting health personnel
Speaker 5: doctors in the hospital, We're doing everything we can. At
Speaker 5: this point here in the United States, we just have
Speaker 5: to trust that. And I think that's really really difficult
Speaker 5: for a lot of people to do. I think there
Speaker 5: are some people who are far too trusting, reflexively sort
Speaker 5: of trusting of the Israeli government. Sometimes that's for cynical reasons.
Speaker 5: Sometimes that's because people really just have a reflexively positive
Speaker 5: impression of the Israeli government in the United States more
Speaker 5: than the people of Israel have a reflexibly positive view
Speaker 5: of their own government.
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes it's because people are hearing from
Speaker 3: the Israeli government what they want to hear and not
Speaker 3: what Israeli government is actually saying. IDF spokesperson said, quote,
Speaker 3: our focus is on damage, not on precision. A defense
Speaker 3: minister at Joev Gallant, we will eliminate everything. They will
Speaker 3: regret it. Agriculture minister'll be dictor we are now rolling
Speaker 3: out the Gaza knock. But I was pulling together some
Speaker 3: of these quotes to see what centaer Cruz thinks about these,
Speaker 3: since he has said that we need to give unconditional
Speaker 3: full support to Israel. But when Israel is so kind
Speaker 3: of openly saying that we will eliminate everything, our focus
Speaker 3: is on damage, not on precision, then when they actually
Speaker 3: get damage and not precision, it's easier for people to
Speaker 3: be like, well, that's you said that's what you were
Speaker 3: going to do. That's what you did, So we're going
Speaker 3: to go ahead and connect to them.
Speaker 5: Yet there No, that's a great point, and we talked
Speaker 5: last week about the Rafa crossing and some of the
Speaker 5: hits that people have taken as they're trying to get
Speaker 5: to southern Gazo.
Speaker 3: In the areas where told them we're safe, and it is.
Speaker 5: I'm highly unusual for a country that's attacked to then
Speaker 5: in any way facilitate a civilian evacuation in the course
Speaker 5: of human history. Now, that is the right thing to
Speaker 5: do in this case, but that also requires trusting the
Speaker 5: Israeli government. It also requires the people of Gaza trusting
Speaker 5: the Israeli government to have safe passage and to do
Speaker 5: everything they can to have safe passage. Nobody is saying
Speaker 5: that Hamas isn't going to interfere with that. I mean,
Speaker 5: maybe some people are saying that, and if they are,
Speaker 5: they're wrong. Obviously, the people of Hamas have put their
Speaker 5: own people in a very difficult situation, in a tragic situation.
Speaker 5: But that does require a lot of trust and saying
Speaker 5: that what the Israeli government is purporting to do is
Speaker 5: the whole truth. Even if there's even if there are
Speaker 5: legitimate obstacles, and that is very difficult. It's even very
Speaker 5: difficult for me, and as people can probably tell, it's
Speaker 5: very difficult for me. That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't
Speaker 5: mean any endorsement of Hamas, it doesn't mean anything like that.
Speaker 5: It just means that this hospital situation, I really think
Speaker 5: Ryan does reflect some of these broader fault lines really
Speaker 5: really well in a way that kind of makes it
Speaker 5: clear where the difficulties are here.
Speaker 3: And Israel has alluded to this being an intelligence operation,
Speaker 3: as you quoted earlier, and so if the kind of
Speaker 3: tunnels and the punker underneath the hospital are being used
Speaker 3: for kind of command control, command and control, it's possible
Speaker 3: that Israel will be able to obtain some hard drives
Speaker 3: or something else, some other intel if AMAS hasn't been
Speaker 3: able to spirit away. And that's if they were still
Speaker 3: using it at this point. I mean, I think Israel
Speaker 3: probably has pretty solid intelligence that at one point they
Speaker 3: were using it, because if you have a concrete bunker
Speaker 3: and tunnel system that was built before you got there,
Speaker 3: you're probably going to use it. I think I thinks
Speaker 3: the people from left to right admit that that's a
Speaker 3: plausible scenario, be almost stranger, like you said, if they
Speaker 3: were not using it. And so we're going to see
Speaker 3: a kind of round of propaganda warfare, you know, after
Speaker 3: they have kind of taken over the basement and the
Speaker 3: tunnels in this bunker. We saw that kind of CNN
Speaker 3: face plant where they took a they took a kind
Speaker 3: of crew, not a crew. They it was weird. It
Speaker 3: was a robot. And at one point there was like
Speaker 3: an IDF English speaking IDF spokesperson doing like a Heraldo
Speaker 3: rivera thing where he's like, you're feeling vault vault and
Speaker 3: he gets there and he shows he looked here as
Speaker 3: a calendar with the names of the terrorists who were
Speaker 3: watching the hostages, and half a million Arabic speakers immediately
Speaker 3: were like that says Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Like do you
Speaker 3: think we're all stupid? Or are you stupid? Or do
Speaker 3: you just not care? And you know that your supporters
Speaker 3: are going to like reflexively kind of cling to whatever
Speaker 3: you give, so it doesn't matter. So we'll probably see
Speaker 3: some more of that type of and kind of back
Speaker 3: and forth. Meanwhile, it's gotten really cold and it's raining,
Speaker 3: and one point seven million people don't have homes. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of those people are staying with family and
Speaker 3: friends and others who are have taken them in, but
Speaker 3: a lot are not, and a lot are out in
Speaker 3: the cold in the rain. It's like absolutely miserable situation.
Speaker 3: And we talk so much about the death toll that
Speaker 3: I think we forget about the living and the wounded,
Speaker 3: and then the psychologically wounded, the traumatized. Just spending the
Speaker 3: night out in the rain and in the cold after
Speaker 3: losing your home, even if you haven't been killed, it's
Speaker 3: like a life changing experience.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that yesterday also from the other
Speaker 5: I think that's absolutely true.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about millions of people.
Speaker 5: Well, and then I was thinking about this hisestuy, when
Speaker 5: there are people who actually still have family members that
Speaker 5: are being held hostage, and they also then have to
Speaker 5: trust the Biden administration, they have to trust the Israeli government,
Speaker 5: and they have so little information. And that's so I mean,
Speaker 5: if you think about the network, this is actually how
Speaker 5: I was thinking about the network of how many people
Speaker 5: know you have two hundred hostages, the amount of like
Speaker 5: ripple effect that has into the population of people who
Speaker 5: are on pins and needles waiting to hear.
Speaker 4: If their loved one is okay. They have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 4: Is just unthinkable, and.
Speaker 3: That brings us actually to our next segment, which is
Speaker 3: that so many family members of the hostages have been
Speaker 3: calling on net Yahoo to stop the bombing and agree
Speaker 3: to a ceasefire with Hamas so that hostages can be released.
Speaker 3: There's been news over the last several days that Hamas
Speaker 3: is willing to release a significant number of hostages if
Speaker 3: Israel will stop the bombing for a while, and that
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. The families don't want bombing
Speaker 3: across the Gaza strip while their family members are being transferred,
Speaker 3: because a lot of the strikes are targeted at moving vehicles,
Speaker 3: and there was a case recently where the IDF said
Speaker 3: there was a car with suspected terrorists in it uh
Speaker 3: and then it turned out it was three children under
Speaker 3: the age of ten and a mother and a grandmother,
Speaker 3: and the only survivor was the mother out of those.
Speaker 3: What they mean by suspicious is that it's moving, and
Speaker 3: so is Israeli families very obviously do not want their
Speaker 3: loved ones being put into a moving vehicle on their
Speaker 3: way to safety to be reunited with their family and
Speaker 3: then hit at the very last moment Israeli strike. And
Speaker 3: so that brings us to a march held in Washington
Speaker 3: yesterday that Mac and I went to cover.
Speaker 4: The producer producer, Mac, this sound does not look like
Speaker 4: a young Mike Johnson.
Speaker 5: Not.
Speaker 4: We would never say that.
Speaker 3: We kind of messed up to sound. So sadly you're
Speaker 3: not going to get the same compilation.
Speaker 4: You were interviewing people and interviewed why.
Speaker 3: They were at the street, why are you here? Generally no,
Speaker 3: it was, you know, to support Israel. This is what
Speaker 3: the rally was for. You had some people that said,
Speaker 3: you know, they're standing up against anti Semitism, and you
Speaker 3: had a lot of people that we talked to say
Speaker 3: that they were sorry about the civilian casualty level, but
Speaker 3: it was just an unfortunate fact and this is you know,
Speaker 3: this is just how it's going to have to be.
Speaker 3: There was an very interesting moment very early on in
Speaker 3: the rally where they said next up Van Jones. Yes,
Speaker 3: Van Jones is a former Maoist revolutionary, Yes, who's been
Speaker 3: on quite the journey over the last forty thirty to
Speaker 3: forty years of his life, became an Obama official, and
Speaker 3: then was kind of fired.
Speaker 4: There's the green jobs are jobs are and he was.
Speaker 3: Fired when Glenn Beck and Steve Bannon onearthed the fact
Speaker 3: that he used to be a mauist revolutionary.
Speaker 4: It was lit. It was like two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: One of the first guys that was my one. I
Speaker 3: scooped that back at the Huffington Post when you're still
Speaker 3: in middle school or whatever. This was two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: I guess I actually said that it was a win
Speaker 3: for Glenn Beck. He got a furious email from two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine Steve Bannon saying, this was my win.
Speaker 3: How dare you give this to Glenn Beck. We did
Speaker 3: update also Steve Bannon's went fine, you guys can both
Speaker 3: have this. Since then, you guys all know him as
Speaker 3: CNN commentator Van Jones, but as as a person of
Speaker 3: the left who's long an anti war, who's long spoken
Speaker 3: out against the occupation in Israel, stood up for Palatinian rights.
Speaker 3: Surprising to see him there. He started out his talks
Speaker 3: saying he was there to stand up against anti Semitism,
Speaker 3: But then he did broach the subject of a very
Speaker 3: gentle let's stop bombing, and the reaction was quite profound.
Speaker 3: Let's roll his speech from yesterday.
Speaker 4: I'm a peace guy. I pray for peace.
Speaker 6: No more rockets from Gaza, and no more bombs falling
Speaker 6: down on the people of Gaza. God protected children, God
Speaker 6: protect your Let's end all the horror and all the
Speaker 6: heartbreak in the Holy Land.
Speaker 3: Let's end all of this.
Speaker 4: Let's end all of them.
Speaker 6: I don't feel powerful to do something about what's happening
Speaker 6: over there. What I do feel powerful is to maybe
Speaker 6: do something about what's happening here. Let's take a stand
Speaker 6: here against anti Jewish bigotry, Let's take a stand against
Speaker 6: Muslim Let's take a stand here against hatred.
Speaker 3: And you can see how uncomfortable he gets there. Initially,
Speaker 3: when he said that passive formulation of the there shouldn't
Speaker 3: be any more bombs falling from the sky. Are they're
Speaker 3: falling out of clouds? There was that initial cheer, and
Speaker 3: then it took a little while for the crowd to
Speaker 3: kind of build up the chant of no cease fire
Speaker 3: back at him, which he then hears, and then you
Speaker 3: see him kind of stumbling a little bit.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what did you think you signed up for here.
Speaker 4: He seemed surprised by the reaction, which is surprising.
Speaker 3: Which is surprising by the reaction, right, And then he
Speaker 3: finished with what frankly, I think we have to call islamophobic.
Speaker 3: He said. At the very end, he said he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to live in a world where people need to
Speaker 3: worry about letting their Uber driver know that they're Jewish.
Speaker 4: Is he referring to a specific thing that I think
Speaker 4: I think there was something.
Speaker 3: There were people I think on social media saying that
Speaker 3: they were nervous about telling their drivers O that there
Speaker 3: so the people are there are some people that are
Speaker 3: legitimately nervous about that, but that doesn't make it okay.
Speaker 3: Like if you are walking past a black person in
Speaker 3: a parking lot and you you know, clutch your purse
Speaker 3: or you like run the other way, like you're legitimately afraid,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't make your fear okay. You as a
Speaker 3: culture were so like, no, that's wrong, like stop right,
Speaker 3: that's racist to think of every single person as a
Speaker 3: threat to you. And so for people to say that,
Speaker 3: like every Uber driver is going to be a threat
Speaker 3: to you if you say that you're Jewish, I thought
Speaker 3: It's just kind of an ugly way to think about it.
Speaker 4: You were watching that live while you were there. I
Speaker 4: saw you as you were tweeting it. You were trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what Van Jones was, Yeah, Jones, what
Speaker 4: he was doing.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of actually video from this because
Speaker 5: it was a bipartisan affair. There were thousands and thousands
Speaker 5: of people. This was a big turnout. I don't think
Speaker 5: that's entirely surprising. They had some.
Speaker 3: Security probably at least it was big.
Speaker 5: So the mayor here, Muriel Bowser, she said that, you know,
Speaker 5: as as NBC News put it, took steps early on
Speaker 5: to make sure her police force in the National Guard
Speaker 5: were ready DHS so a Department of Homeland Security quote
Speaker 5: raised the security level to the highest designation and anticipation
Speaker 5: of an enormous crowd, and because members of Congress were
Speaker 5: expected to attend. So I mean, it was the Palasynian
Speaker 5: youth movement asset supporters on Instagram quote not to engage
Speaker 5: with participants at Tuesday's pro Israel event. Huge turnout was
Speaker 5: entirely peaceful. It seemed to like no skirmishes at all yesterday.
Speaker 5: So that's fantastic that nobody had to that these security
Speaker 5: concerns were perhaps unfounded, or perhaps the security deterred.
Speaker 4: Anything that would have happened.
Speaker 5: That said, those members of Congress were eager to take
Speaker 5: the stage, take the microphone. So let's roll some more
Speaker 5: clips from people who were talking.
Speaker 3: On the astronom lawn. Yeah, we have speaker Mike Johnston
Speaker 3: continues to confirm that he's a real person.
Speaker 5: He continues to exist, and he was sharing a stage
Speaker 5: with Chuck Schumer. Wait until you see the picture of
Speaker 5: John Fetterman we have, but let's start with these clips here.
Speaker 1: The calls for a ceasefire are outrageous, I'll see.
Speaker 7: So the minute I heard of what happened in January seventh,
Speaker 7: I knew I had to go to Israel as the
Speaker 7: first ranking Jewish Senate majority leader, in fact, the highest
Speaker 7: ranking Jewish elected official in American history. I not only
Speaker 7: had a desire to go to Israel, I felt a
Speaker 7: special obligation to go.
Speaker 5: He's so used to saying January sixth when he talks
Speaker 5: about tragedy, Chuck Shimer, that is, he said January seventh,
Speaker 5: which is perfect in some ways and just so pathetic.
Speaker 5: We also have this picture of John Fetterman. We can
Speaker 5: put this next picture up on the screen so you
Speaker 5: can see him literally wrapped in the Israeli flag. That's
Speaker 5: actually saying a source pass along that photo of him from.
Speaker 4: The National Mall.
Speaker 5: Ryan the Mike Johnson and Chruck Schumer comments. I think
Speaker 5: they were almost like back to back in their presentations
Speaker 5: that were on the stage together. Right, Nothing surprising. I
Speaker 5: don't think anything was surprising. There was Isaac Hersog, obviously
Speaker 5: the President of Israel, zoomed in, beamed in over video
Speaker 5: and said, Jews all over the world are assaulted for
Speaker 5: being Jewish. The hatred, the lies of brutality, the disgraceful
Speaker 5: outbursts of ancient anti Semitism are an embarrassment to all
Speaker 5: civilized people and nations. Jews in America must be safe.
Speaker 5: Jews all over the world must be safe. Nothing really
Speaker 5: surprising in the speeches, though.
Speaker 3: The most surprising thing I thought was that they invited
Speaker 3: John Hagey and he agreed to. At ten, we can
Speaker 3: put up this next element for Willie Shahead. Hagy is
Speaker 3: kind of the pharakhn of this issue, like extremely.
Speaker 4: Farkon is the farakhan of this issue.
Speaker 3: Well, that too, well, fun for the right, like Hagey
Speaker 3: is just this out there, wild anti Semitic, Islamophobic guy
Speaker 3: who believes that he's one of the leaders of this
Speaker 3: idea that it's a good thing that Israel is a
Speaker 3: Jewish state because in the end days they'll be like
Speaker 3: cannon fodder or whatever for like the Second Coming. I
Speaker 3: don't I purposely don't know too much about the theory.
Speaker 3: I know it's out there, but to me, it'd be like,
Speaker 3: imagine if at the pro Palestinian rally a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago or a week ago, whatever it was, time
Speaker 3: is so compressed that Farah Cohn spoke every single person
Speaker 3: who had anything to do and wasn't even at the rally,
Speaker 3: everyone in the squad, everyone who supported sees Fire resolution,
Speaker 3: everybody who had been remotely critical of Israel would have
Speaker 3: been asked, do you condemn Lewis Farakhon? And do you
Speaker 3: condemn the organizers, you know, for inviting Lewis Parakhan? And
Speaker 3: you know what, maybe that's fine because he is beyond
Speaker 3: the pale. So what on earth would he be doing
Speaker 3: on that stage. This guy's beyond the pale, and the
Speaker 3: fact that he can share a stage with these politicians,
Speaker 3: and the politicians don't get pressed other than on this
Speaker 3: on this program. Cruise will be later about his about
Speaker 3: sharing the stage with this guy is a kind of
Speaker 3: mind blowing double standard to me.
Speaker 5: Although, like again I'm an evangelical Christian conservative, I've no
Speaker 5: idea who this guy is. I actually never heard of him.
Speaker 5: I am vaguely familiar.
Speaker 4: Like you, you're in.
Speaker 3: Luck keep it that way. He's uh, he's about he's
Speaker 3: so yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, after you pointed this out to me yesterday,
Speaker 5: I was kind of going somewhat deep on it.
Speaker 4: And again, this.
Speaker 3: Is some of the even his speech was crazy. He
Speaker 3: didn't even like tone it down.
Speaker 5: Some of what he says is familiar. You know, the
Speaker 5: language about Israel and d Times and how some Christians
Speaker 5: may see the political question of Israel through that lens.
Speaker 5: It's not something that I hear a lot. I don't
Speaker 5: think that there are people on the right that make
Speaker 5: that argument.
Speaker 3: I think it's basically when they put him on the stage,
Speaker 3: it just validates the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just gonna say, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 5: like it's one of those figments of it's easily made
Speaker 5: into a straw man to represent the whole right when
Speaker 5: I think it's something that represents a kind of faction
Speaker 5: of the maybe like Evangelical Christian right. But even then
Speaker 5: it's not representative of the whole movement by long shot.
Speaker 4: But you're right.
Speaker 5: You put the guy in stage, you're undoing any effort
Speaker 5: to say hell, no, no.
Speaker 4: No, this isn't us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how he keeps getting out there reflects the power
Speaker 3: that he has. In Walid's post, it quoted one of
Speaker 3: his old sermons where he basically says that Hitler was
Speaker 3: helping to usher in some biblical prophecy where he says
Speaker 3: God says in Jeremiah sixteen, behold I will bring them,
Speaker 3: the Jewish people again, onto their land that I give
Speaker 3: to their fathers, and they the hunters, shall hunt them,
Speaker 3: And then he says that would be the Jews. Then
Speaker 3: God sent a hunter. The hunter is someone who comes
Speaker 3: with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter.
Speaker 3: This is he like, this is the guy that literally
Speaker 3: was on stage yesterday.
Speaker 5: Absolute bananas. There's no excuse to put someone like that
Speaker 5: on stage.
Speaker 3: So the people that we it was a very peaceful
Speaker 3: affair like it was, and the fetterman kind of get
Speaker 3: up that you saw. There was kind of standard attire,
Speaker 3: like a lot of people draped in flags, a lot
Speaker 3: of flag waving. You did have some you had some
Speaker 3: offensive signs like finish them off and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but not many. It was most most people did not
Speaker 3: have signs. There seemed to be a lot of young people,
Speaker 3: high schoolers, college students.
Speaker 5: Bust in the cheers for Schumer actually was interesting to me.
Speaker 5: I assumed that there were a lot of probably left
Speaker 5: people there.
Speaker 3: Well, And I asked a lot of the people how
Speaker 3: they felt Biden was handling this situation. All of them
Speaker 3: said they were either they either were happy with how
Speaker 3: he was handling it, or they were pleasantly surprised interesting
Speaker 3: they were handling it. All the people who were pleasantly
Speaker 3: surprised with it, I asked them, did you vote for Biden?
Speaker 3: They said no. Would you ever vote for Biden? They
Speaker 3: said absolutely not. So it's not like he's winning people
Speaker 3: over with that, which it matters when it comes to
Speaker 3: the political calculations. But yes, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: there was a lot of support for Biden's handling of
Speaker 3: this so far at that rally.
Speaker 5: The question about Hagey also gets to something we wanted
Speaker 5: to discuss here, which is an inter nice scene squabble
Speaker 5: at the Daily Wire that has erupted just in the
Speaker 5: last twenty four hours, and this.
Speaker 3: Will be a good segue into the congressional fighting.
Speaker 5: There's just so much fighting today. But let's take a
Speaker 5: look actually at this clip of Ben Shapiro responding to
Speaker 5: question is about Candace Owens, who works for the Daily Wire.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 5: I think his title now is editor at large at
Speaker 5: the Daily Wire.
Speaker 4: Don't think he's super.
Speaker 5: Involved in you know, news curation and and you know
Speaker 5: the daily like line editing or anything like that. So
Speaker 5: someone asked him about Candace Owens, who's been a critical
Speaker 5: of the rights approach to the question of Israel in.
Speaker 4: The last month. Let's take a look at the video.
Speaker 8: Yes, then the backhand his own. Her behavior during this
Speaker 8: is be destrisful, that is it's my company, yea. And
Speaker 8: I think she's been absolutely disgraceful. I think that I
Speaker 8: think that her sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous.
Speaker 7: It's sophistication. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8: Everybody can see those that she's thinking, the things that
Speaker 8: she's saying, and I'm distractable.
Speaker 3: So the sound on that wasn't great. He's basically saying
Speaker 3: she's been absolutely disgraceful and her fo you see a
Speaker 3: woman in the background. Her jaw has just dropped mouth
Speaker 3: and Gate cannot believe that she's seeing this savage attack
Speaker 3: from benchmia on. Okay, someone, So what's what's the background here?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, I don't know like that.
Speaker 3: So what has she been saying that is absolutely disgraceful? Yes,
Speaker 3: what's got him so upset? So let's let's actually roll
Speaker 3: that all of their personal drama.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just roll that clip.
Speaker 5: Actually, here's Candace Owens a little a small flavor. You know,
Speaker 5: she has a show, so she's in a Twitter account,
Speaker 5: so she's talked a lot over the course of the
Speaker 5: last month and mostly has been asking questions.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 5: People take as oh, you're just you're just asking questions.
Speaker 3: Is this before or after? Okay? So this is before? Okay.
Speaker 4: So here's one clip.
Speaker 9: I am here today to endorse Nicky Haley for president
Speaker 9: of Israel.
Speaker 4: I think she's earned that.
Speaker 9: I think BB and Yahoo is going through a very
Speaker 9: bad time right now. Support for Israel has virtually collapsed socially.
Speaker 9: If you're paying attention to the trends, and you're paying
Speaker 9: attention to what people are watching, you're paying attention to protests.
Speaker 4: And the one person that.
Speaker 9: I think is capable of getting it back is Nicki
Speaker 9: Haley with a enough money from foreign interest lobbies. So
Speaker 9: there it is, guys, I'm endorsing Nicki Haley president of Israel.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it wouldn't be foreign money. It
Speaker 3: would be domestic money if she's running for president in Israel, right.
Speaker 4: Well, or it would be millionaires in the United States.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, very very Also, it's not president's prime minister.
Speaker 3: President is her dog. It's just a ceremonial role right
Speaker 3: where you come on, Candice, come on, yeah, if you're
Speaker 3: gonna endorse somebody.
Speaker 4: She had an embarrassing moment last week that I.
Speaker 3: Think that I think that was actually kind of incisive.
Speaker 3: Maybe even though she stumbled on all the details, the
Speaker 3: whole thing is supposed to be a joke.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't think Ben Shapiro would be particularly
Speaker 5: upset about Nicki hale joke about how Nikki Haley is
Speaker 5: you know, so pro is rule that it, you know,
Speaker 5: is problematic. But actually this is interesting as we're taping
Speaker 5: right now. Candace Owens announced that she is dropping their
Speaker 5: Tucker is dropping a Tucker on X with Candace Owens
Speaker 5: at six pm. So that was announced late last night
Speaker 5: that they were they were sitting down.
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro and Tucker has been really mad at Tucker too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's they don't get along. They don't get along
Speaker 5: and have been sharply critical. But actually, I think one
Speaker 5: of the broader takeaways here Candas owns we can put
Speaker 5: her response up on the screen. She had a very
Speaker 5: cryptic post that, Yeah, that's what actually what media called
Speaker 5: it a cryptic post. She was tweeting from the Bible
Speaker 5: right after this whole thing was blowing up. So she tweeted,
Speaker 5: busted or the peace makers, they should be called the
Speaker 5: children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for
Speaker 5: Righteouster's sake? For theirs is the Kingdom of heaven, and
Speaker 5: she went on in a thread. Her second tweet was
Speaker 5: Christ is king. So the kind of cryptic message there
Speaker 5: is you can interpret that in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: So you cannot serve both money and God. She's quoted
Speaker 3: that too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So she keeps going and says no one can
Speaker 5: serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and
Speaker 5: love the other, or you will be devoted to the
Speaker 5: one and despise the other. Again quoting from the Bible,
Speaker 5: she says, you cannot serve both God and money. And
Speaker 5: so I think if I were Ben Shapiro, I'd probably
Speaker 5: interpret that as an anti Semitic trope. And so this
Speaker 5: is again a company that he has some staken.
Speaker 4: And leadership of.
Speaker 5: He is easily one of the most visible political commentators
Speaker 5: in America, not just on the right, he is very
Speaker 5: very powerful in the right. The Daily Wire has a
Speaker 5: lot of clout on the On the right, kanz Owens
Speaker 5: has a huge audience as well. I think Ryan, what
Speaker 5: this speaks to is the sort of ironic because Donald
Speaker 5: Trump did, you know, a lot of very very pro
Speaker 5: Israel things, but I think he ushered in this era
Speaker 5: in the concerntive sphere where all of the prior I
Speaker 5: guess things that were held sacred, you know, total unconditional
Speaker 5: support for Israel, all of these other things that you
Speaker 5: used to not be able to say, for example, I
Speaker 5: won't touch entitlements.
Speaker 4: They're different things like I won't criticize.
Speaker 5: NATO, all of those prior things that were considered sacred
Speaker 5: and untouchable in the conservative movement. There is now a
Speaker 5: significant contingency of people, at least in conservative media spaces,
Speaker 5: who have a lot of fun poking at that stuff.
Speaker 5: And I don't just mean fun in like acute way.
Speaker 5: I mean there's obviously something ideological there, and there are also,
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the motivations of social media to
Speaker 5: kind of poke around at those issues. There's something that
Speaker 5: can be very gratifying to people about that. I don't
Speaker 5: personally love Candas is just asking questions approached the last
Speaker 5: couple of weeks, she's had again some embarrassing moments. Last week,
Speaker 5: she was asking about the Muslim Quarter and the Christian
Speaker 5: Quarter of Jerusalem, thinking that it was almost like Jim
Speaker 5: Crow and got corrected in the middle of an interview.
Speaker 5: And I think it's great that people are learning more
Speaker 5: about what's actually happening in Israel and what's actually happening
Speaker 5: in Jerusalem and not just taking what they're being told
Speaker 5: from the media as though it were gospel, so to speak.
Speaker 5: I think that's great, but I think you should probably
Speaker 5: save the like gotcha, just asking questions things until you
Speaker 5: feel really comfortable with what you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as for her comments, I don't think that
Speaker 3: there's a as far as I understand, there's no get
Speaker 3: out of Trope's free card by quoting the Bible, Like, no,
Speaker 3: it's still like that was that's dicey stuff. Yeah, she's pushing.
Speaker 3: And I think your point about how Trump unleashed some
Speaker 3: of this is interesting is the other thing that he
Speaker 3: unleashed was both anti semitism and extreme pro Israel politics.
Speaker 3: Like he has said some of the most antisemitic stuff
Speaker 3: any president has ever said. Or he'll be like, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, those Jews they control Washington, but that's great
Speaker 3: that they do because they love Israel and I love Israel.
Speaker 3: You're like, that is deeply anti semitic what you just said,
Speaker 3: and he's like, he would probably say, no, that's pro semitic,
Speaker 3: like or he would say something about how they're good
Speaker 3: with money, like just the grossest anti semitic tropes, but
Speaker 3: then he would follow it up by talking about how
Speaker 3: it moved I moved the embassy to Jerusalem and how
Speaker 3: much he supports Israel, and so it was. It ended
Speaker 3: up becoming a cover and then eventually a substitute for
Speaker 3: not being anti Semitic, and so I think when you
Speaker 3: unleash that, maybe this is kind of the discourse that
Speaker 3: you're going to get around it.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I think that's absolutely true.
Speaker 5: And I think we yeah, we see it in other
Speaker 5: areas of the conversation as well.
Speaker 4: Not just in Israel.
Speaker 5: But this is a real I do think it's really
Speaker 5: interesting because there's no cracks in Israel support in Congress.
Speaker 5: You know, even people who are jd Vance for example,
Speaker 5: when he was trying to divorce the funding of Ukraine
Speaker 5: from the funding of Israel.
Speaker 4: That was a very intentional specific thing.
Speaker 5: So even somebody who's questioning the extent of our military
Speaker 5: assistance Ukraine has zero interest in, you know, even starting
Speaker 5: to nibble around the edges or question the aid to Israel,
Speaker 5: or flirt with the idea of a ceasefire.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's virtually no one.
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe I haven't followed Thomas Massey closely enough
Speaker 5: on this.
Speaker 4: Actually last week on the.
Speaker 5: Show, Rand Paul went further than any other Republican I've
Speaker 5: heard talking about civilians in Gaza. But there's very little
Speaker 5: of this has translated into Congress, and I'm not sure
Speaker 5: that much of it has translated into the voter base,
Speaker 5: the sort of Republican body politic either. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: how much of it has actually sort of escaped the
Speaker 5: chambers of online right wing discourse, but it's definitely there.
Speaker 5: And people you know in media Canvass has a huge viewership,
Speaker 5: Ben has a huge viewership. So there's going to be
Speaker 5: more polarizing polarization on this issue in the right going forward,
Speaker 5: I think, especially the longer this lasts.
Speaker 3: And so back in Washington, we had some actual class
Speaker 3: war breakout in Congress and then also a couple of
Speaker 3: petty ridiculous fights. We'll get to the pet petty ridiculous
Speaker 3: fights at the back end of this. Let's start with
Speaker 3: the class war. We can put up this first element here.
Speaker 3: So there were union leaders came to the committee chaired
Speaker 3: by Bernie Sanders to talk about some of their recent victories.
Speaker 3: Sean O'Brien, the head of the Teamsters, had gotten into
Speaker 3: a tussle which we're going to talk about in a
Speaker 3: moment with Mark Wayne Mullin, who was also a real
Speaker 3: person senator from Oklahoma. I was elected to the House
Speaker 3: back in twenty twelve. Now over in the Senate, he's
Speaker 3: run ran a plumbing company, which and that's going to
Speaker 3: be relevant to this fight that we're going to see
Speaker 3: break out. I didn't want to spoil too much of it,
Speaker 3: so let's just roll this clip from the Bernie Sanders
Speaker 3: Help Committee yesterday.
Speaker 10: Boddy knows this here in the last time, him and
Speaker 10: I kind of had a back and forth. Appreciate your
Speaker 10: demeetor today it's quite different. But after you left here
Speaker 10: you got pretty excited about the keyboard. In fact, you
Speaker 10: tweeted at me one, two, three, four five times. So
Speaker 10: let me read what the last one said, said greedy
Speaker 10: CEO who pretends like he's self made. So I wish
Speaker 10: he was in the truck with me when I was
Speaker 10: building my plumbing company, myself and my wife was running
Speaker 10: the office, because I should remember working pretty hard in
Speaker 10: long hours. Hrtunds like he's self made. What a clown
Speaker 10: fraud always has been, always will be. Quit the tough
Speaker 10: guy act in the Senate hearings. You know where to
Speaker 10: find me any place, anytime, cowboy. Sorry, this is a time.
Speaker 10: This is a place. If you want to run your mouth,
Speaker 10: we can be too consenting adults. We can finish it here.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, perfect, you want to do it now,
Speaker 3: I'd love to do it right now.
Speaker 10: We'll stand your butt up then you stand your button.
Speaker 3: Hold stop it, no, sit down. You know you're United States.
Speaker 4: Okay, sut down please.
Speaker 11: All right, hold it.
Speaker 4: That's a grandfather move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean Bernie breaking up the fight before
Speaker 3: we get into the background on why they went to
Speaker 3: war like this, uh, anything you want to tell us
Speaker 3: about Mark when mullin or like why is it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: But also if you were listening, he stood up. So
Speaker 5: if you were listening to the audio version of that,
Speaker 5: Mark Waynemullen actually behind the desk stood up.
Speaker 3: The camera didn't know what to do because all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, Now it's just.
Speaker 4: Like what the hell, cameras don't move that high?
Speaker 3: Yeah, why did this guy just stand up.
Speaker 4: They're not on a swivel. They're just in the same spot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he physically stood up as though he was
Speaker 5: going to go down towards the witness stand.
Speaker 3: Yes. And so back in March there was another hearing
Speaker 3: of these same union leaders and the background is that
Speaker 3: so Mark Wayne Mullen inherited his father's plumbing company in Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: and it was a large company that was involved in
Speaker 3: a lot of large product projects. And so the Teamsters,
Speaker 3: the pipe fitters, which are part of the Teamsters, tried
Speaker 3: to unionize Mark Wayne Mullen's company. They protested outside his house,
Speaker 3: outside his business. Shame on Mark, Mark Wayne Mullen, you know,
Speaker 3: this is very standard like union stuff that they were doing.
Speaker 3: Drove him completely batty. So he confronted O'Brien last time.
Speaker 3: So let's roll this first clip here.
Speaker 10: I started with nothing, absolutely nothing. In fact, I started
Speaker 10: below nothing, and I started growing this little plumbing company
Speaker 10: with six employees to now we have over three hundred employees.
Speaker 10: And back in two thousand and nine, you guys try
Speaker 10: to unionize me. My guys were making money. They're getting
Speaker 10: paid more than the union halls were paying their plumbers.
Speaker 10: Our benefits were better. But because we started bidding jobs
Speaker 10: at reunion jobs and winning those union fighte fitters decided
Speaker 10: they were going to come after us. They would show
Speaker 10: up at my house, they'd be leaning up against my trucks.
Speaker 10: I'm not afraid of a physical confrontation. Fact sometimes I
Speaker 10: look forward to it. That's not my problem.
Speaker 5: So when most of the coverage of this was sort
Speaker 5: of an inch deep and didn't go to this context
Speaker 5: from earlier in the spring, which, whatever you think of
Speaker 5: Mark Wayne Mullen, that is a much more substantive line
Speaker 5: of questioning at a hearing then just going through someone's tweets.
Speaker 5: It's so ridiculous, I mean again, Yeah, anyway, I was
Speaker 5: glad that you dug up the context because it all
Speaker 5: makes so much more sense when you recognize that this
Speaker 5: goes back years between the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is real, this is a real class war.
Speaker 3: And so they he then so then Mark way Mullin
Speaker 3: then presses O'Brien how much money do you make? They
Speaker 3: then fight about, you know, how much the truckers who
Speaker 3: work for the teamsers make, and then it finishes with
Speaker 3: with this again, this is from last March, which predated
Speaker 3: this near fight. So let's roll the last little bit
Speaker 3: of this, sir, you what artworks schedule?
Speaker 12: Secondly, ups feeder drivers and you can quote Carol Tomey
Speaker 12: who quoted this, they make ninety three thousand on the
Speaker 12: lower ends, some of them making.
Speaker 3: Fifty thousand, I said, feeder drivers feeder drift. Try to
Speaker 3: trailer drivers, some of them making a one hundred fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per year.
Speaker 10: Tell them, dude that over you've been there four years.
Speaker 3: Most of them make over a thousand. Okay, most of
Speaker 3: them make over a hundred thousands.
Speaker 10: Reclaim my time. I go back to the whole fact that, sir,
Speaker 10: you haven't created a job.
Speaker 3: We haven't.
Speaker 10: You haven't been there, You haven't. Sure we have, you haven't.
Speaker 3: Sure we have.
Speaker 10: Tell me one job that you created.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 13: Specific you're in a four nomp No, but you know
Speaker 13: it's funny.
Speaker 4: We create opportunity.
Speaker 14: Job.
Speaker 4: We create opportunity because we old.
Speaker 10: We hold greedy CEOs like yourself accountable. You call me
Speaker 10: a greedy seat.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, you are.
Speaker 3: You want to attack my salary, I'll attack y'all.
Speaker 4: What do you make?
Speaker 3: What did you make when you own your company?
Speaker 10: I made my company. I kept my salary down at
Speaker 10: about fifty thousand a year because I invested every pinny
Speaker 10: into it.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you mean you hid money? No I didn't. I.
Speaker 10: Oh, hold on a second, Okay, he said, that's out
Speaker 10: of line. Even we're not even, we're not close to me,
Speaker 10: and even you think he's smart. You think you're funny.
Speaker 4: No, you're not. You think you're funny.
Speaker 10: No, I never said, did you open?
Speaker 4: That's the you framed your statement.
Speaker 13: Continue continue, But sir, this is I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's so not not hard to see how
Speaker 3: it rolled from that eight months later, Mark Waynemullen demanding satisfaction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, listen, Mark waynemullen was right that
Speaker 5: they were not even close to even because Sean O'Brien
Speaker 5: got the best of him in that exchange, because again
Speaker 5: he's the one testifying. He's not the United States senator
Speaker 5: who's going through mean tweets from the podium. And also
Speaker 5: another thing I'd like to say is I enjoyed that
Speaker 5: both of the union leaders were named Sean, so Sean
Speaker 5: Faine was also there, obviously the head of the U
Speaker 5: a W. Sean O'Brien, as as Ryan mentioned as head
Speaker 5: of the Teamsters. And they did have an actual exchange
Speaker 5: about electric cars. And I'm not talking about Mark waynemullen,
Speaker 5: but they were actually changes between the senators about electric cars.
Speaker 5: The title of the committee's hearing was standing up against
Speaker 5: Corporate Greed, How unions are improving the lives of working families.
Speaker 5: And Bill Cassidy, a Republican from Louisianas said that this
Speaker 5: was quote a taxpayer funded PEP rally for big labor unions.
Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders says, quote, how do we create an economy
Speaker 5: that works for all of our people and not just
Speaker 5: the few? We have more wealth inequality than the Gilded Age.
Speaker 5: Sarah Nelson was also there. Fain spoke about some of
Speaker 5: his history that you've covered really in great detail for years.
Speaker 5: He talked about the deals that were just made, and
Speaker 5: it was there's so much substance right now when you
Speaker 5: have all of these union leaders in front of you.
Speaker 5: To ask him about mean tweets. I mean, do I
Speaker 5: think that the head of the Teamsters should be tweeting
Speaker 5: like that about us sentators?
Speaker 4: Probably not, But my god, you're a senator.
Speaker 5: Whose constituents are being affected by these deals every single day,
Speaker 5: affected by these deals, and that you would waste the
Speaker 5: people's time reading mean tweets because your ego is more
Speaker 5: important than actual questions, because you want to push this
Speaker 5: guy on personal beefs.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just thought was pathetic.
Speaker 3: And also, if you actually wanted to get into a fistfight,
Speaker 3: that's not the place to do it, because you know
Speaker 3: you're gonna get broken up before the punches ever start
Speaker 3: getting thrown. Yeah, you got to go actually to the
Speaker 3: Teamsters Hall. It's actually right on Capitol Hill at the building. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could call him and say, hey, let's meet me
Speaker 3: down the sidewalk.
Speaker 4: It's a nice building.
Speaker 3: It's the nice thing they got.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Gilded Age, it's like literally a gilded building.
Speaker 4: Incredible buildings. I just walked down there.
Speaker 3: If he really wants to fight, so he just wanted
Speaker 3: to clip, Yeah, and he knew Bernie wou wouldn't let
Speaker 3: that happen.
Speaker 5: One of the better exchanges Diana firsch get Ross. She's
Speaker 5: at the Heritage Foundation and takes very predictable conservative positions
Speaker 5: on energy policies, but she actually raised this really interesting
Speaker 5: point about union jobs and electric cars. And this is
Speaker 5: again one of the least discussed but most serious fault
Speaker 5: lines happening right now. And any person who's cares seriously about,
Speaker 5: like Sean Fain who does, has put a lot of
Speaker 5: thought into where the Democratic Party wants to go. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Biden administration struck a deal on renewable energy with
Speaker 5: China yesterday. That announcement happened yesterday, and they were talking
Speaker 5: about mean tweets. In this hearing, Dana furtchgitt Roth raised
Speaker 5: this point, but that should have been I mean, if anything,
Speaker 5: if Republicans in the Senate wanted to have a conversation
Speaker 5: when you have all these union leaders in front of you,
Speaker 5: it should be about that.
Speaker 4: It should be about actually where the party.
Speaker 5: That these in many cases unions are giving the political
Speaker 5: on the political side that they're giving donations to. How
Speaker 5: is that affecting the existence of the jobs that their
Speaker 5: workers might be able to have in the next five
Speaker 5: to ten years. Obviously a much more immediate and serious
Speaker 5: question than why did you tweet that I'm a greedy CEO.
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
Speaker 3: So that was pettiness that kind of picked was over
Speaker 3: top of an actually substantive difference. We have for next week.
Speaker 3: Move the pettiness over a vote around round speaker. It's like,
Speaker 3: looks like Kevin McCarthy gave somebody a kidney shot in
Speaker 3: the hallway. Who voted against who voted to Alison from speaker,
Speaker 3: let's roll this.
Speaker 4: Explain to us what happened with you and Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 14: Well, I was doing an interview with Claudia from NPR
Speaker 14: A lovely lady, and she was asking me a question,
Speaker 14: and at that time, I uh got elbowed in the back,
Speaker 14: and it kind of caught me off guard because it
Speaker 14: was a clean shot to the kidneys. And I turned
Speaker 14: back and there was there was Kevin and and I.
Speaker 14: For a minute, I was kind of what the heck
Speaker 14: just happened? And then I, you know, I chased after him.
Speaker 14: Of course, he's a as I've stated many times, he's
Speaker 14: a he's a bully with seventeen million dollars in a
Speaker 14: security detail. You know, he's the type of guy that,
Speaker 14: when you're a kid would throw a rock over the
Speaker 14: fence and run home and hide behind his mama's skirt
Speaker 14: and he just you know, he he uh from behind
Speaker 14: that kind of stuff. You know, that's not the way
Speaker 14: we handle things in East Tennessee. We we have a problem.
Speaker 14: So might I'm gonna look him in.
Speaker 7: The eye and okay, so he walked down the hallway
Speaker 7: hit you in his album with his elbow.
Speaker 14: You can you can go on Claudia's Twitter account. It
Speaker 14: pretty much ex account. It's very accurate. Okay, So then
Speaker 14: just explain, So he chased him?
Speaker 11: What do you mean you chase?
Speaker 14: I just ran after him. I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 14: You know, why'd you do that? You know, because it was,
Speaker 14: like I said, if you ever been hitting the kidneys,
Speaker 14: it's a little little different. You don't have to hit
Speaker 14: very hard.
Speaker 5: Well, So at least he's giving McCarthy credit for being
Speaker 5: precise that he really got him in the kidneys. I
Speaker 5: think this whole thing might be giving Kevin McCarthy too
Speaker 5: much credit for uh, you know, taking any type of
Speaker 5: what aggression into his own hands. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 5: something Kevin McCarthy would do, to be honest, but he
Speaker 5: is right.
Speaker 4: The NPR reporter has said that she witnessed this.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 5: That's Tim Burchett, by the way, who voted against McCarthy,
Speaker 5: is one of the what McCarthy caused the quote hateful
Speaker 5: eight voted against him.
Speaker 3: So Matt Gates, the leader of the hateful age, the
Speaker 3: crazy I also called him the crazy eights, Crazy eight Gates,
Speaker 3: greats Gates, Crazy eights. Is that like it. He filed
Speaker 3: a an ethics complaint, and so McCarthy has said the
Speaker 3: entire thing organized against him was about Gates his own
Speaker 3: ethics complaint, that McCarthy would refuse to halt. So now
Speaker 3: Gates has filed an ethics complaint saying that it was
Speaker 3: unethical to give a kidney shot in the back to
Speaker 3: a member of Congress. McCarthy himself responded by saying he
Speaker 3: didn't do it. He just kind of tapped him a
Speaker 3: little bit. And if he hit somebody the kidney that
Speaker 3: they would be on the ground. So this is the
Speaker 3: kind of this is. So this is not the complete
Speaker 3: state of Congress. We have one more even well, so.
Speaker 5: We even have McCarthy's response, which is great. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: here's what he said. If I hit somebody, they would
Speaker 5: know it. If I kidney punched someone, they would be.
Speaker 4: On the ground.
Speaker 5: And to the point about they would know it, well,
Speaker 5: I mean they're they're saying they do.
Speaker 3: It's not on the ground. But he said it hurt
Speaker 3: a lot. It's still hurt.
Speaker 5: And I shouldn't say that it's giving McCarthy too much
Speaker 5: credit for taking any aggression into his own hands, because
Speaker 5: popping a guy in the back when he's not looking,
Speaker 5: come on, not an honorable way to settle your dispute
Speaker 5: with a hateful eight leader. McCarthy. If a former leader McCarthy,
Speaker 5: if that's what happened. But what a ridiculous state of
Speaker 5: affairs That only got more ridiculous.
Speaker 3: In another hearing, Ryan, So there's an Oversight committee hearing.
Speaker 3: James Comer starts out attacking Dan Goldman as a trust
Speaker 3: fund baby, which no lives detected.
Speaker 4: There sounds like he's been reading your Twitter.
Speaker 3: There you go, and then he goes on, let's just
Speaker 3: roll this one.
Speaker 11: You and Goldman, who is mister trust fund, continue to try. No,
Speaker 11: I'm not gonna give you your time back. We can
Speaker 11: stop the clock. You all continue to You look like
Speaker 11: a smurf here, just going around and all this stuff.
Speaker 11: Mister chairman, you have and.
Speaker 3: So we fact checked this claim of him looking like
Speaker 3: a smurf. We can roll this. U're if you're watching,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not watching and you're listening, he's
Speaker 3: got a smurf outfit on the kind of bright blue
Speaker 3: This is Jared Moskowitz.
Speaker 4: Bright had to toe fact check.
Speaker 3: True, fact check true, I feel confidence, back check rude
Speaker 3: and true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the counterpoints is able to verify the claims of
Speaker 5: Truman Comber Muskwitz looks like a smurf.
Speaker 3: He was probably also right in whatever that dispute was over. Oh,
Speaker 3: they were fighting about Comber's allegations.
Speaker 5: About some hunter Biden, right, yes, and they're going back
Speaker 5: to Holm.
Speaker 3: We're getting on over his skis on again on they
Speaker 3: were making me saying that he can prove more than
Speaker 3: you can actually prove.
Speaker 5: Well, they're making allegations about Comer's own family deals, and
Speaker 5: Comer sort of went off after that.
Speaker 3: That's right, because he thought he had a smoking gun
Speaker 3: because there was a check from James Biden to Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and they're like, look, two hundred thousand dollars moving,
Speaker 3: and the Bidens are like, look, he lent him money
Speaker 3: and he paid him back. What families do, And oh
Speaker 3: it turns out that Comer's family has done the exact.
Speaker 4: Same thing in this case.
Speaker 5: Agree with Comer that there's like the pattern of how
Speaker 5: that money moved is really specific. It's not definitive or conclusive,
Speaker 5: because you know, short of having a confession nothing would be.
Speaker 5: But actually like when the money was transferred, that when.
Speaker 3: The timing lines up, the timing with the Republican theory
Speaker 3: of the case here.
Speaker 4: And the amount of money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so if Democrats want to deflect to James
Speaker 5: Comer instead of dealing with the question of hunter bid
Speaker 5: and by all means go for it. We'll talk about
Speaker 5: you know who looks more like a smurf. We'll talk
Speaker 5: about if someone did pop someone in the kidney.
Speaker 4: We'll continue to get to.
Speaker 5: The bottom of these important questions if these are the
Speaker 5: important questions they choose to focus on.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, they did do actual legislative business. And whenever we
Speaker 3: move on to the actual legislative business of Congress, viewers
Speaker 3: also tend to move on elsewhere. So this time, let's
Speaker 3: try to keep people in suspense. Did they actually end
Speaker 3: the shut down yesterday but or not?
Speaker 5: And I would say also, they didn't actually do the business.
Speaker 5: And this is going to be the line that you
Speaker 5: have of legislation. This is the line you're going to
Speaker 5: hear from Freedom Caucus people, I think rightfully, so because
Speaker 5: they're punting on the question of whether how they should
Speaker 5: be funding the government. And so yes, right, and we
Speaker 5: can leave people in some suspense. We can put the
Speaker 5: first element up on the screen here because this happened.
Speaker 4: Before the decision Tuesday morning day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Dems prepared to save another GOP speaker from
Speaker 5: a shutdown. So did DEM save another GOP speaker from
Speaker 5: a shutdown. Let's take you along for the ride. Here's
Speaker 5: a SoundBite from Chip Roy yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 13: I oppose the Continual Resolution, the so called extension of funding,
Speaker 13: which will continue the Nancy Pelosi spending levels, the Nancy
Speaker 13: Pelosi policy priorities, which you saw Congresswoman Gipaul the head
Speaker 13: of the Progressive Caucus, out applauding the fact that we're
Speaker 13: going to continue to spend twenty twenty three levels, that
Speaker 13: is the one point seven trillion dollars omnibus bill that
Speaker 13: Republicans roundly opposed last year. And now we have all
Speaker 13: of the credible evidence with move last week threatening the
Speaker 13: downgrade with respect to the outlook where we're seeing in
Speaker 13: terms of the Treasury auction last week, which was absolutely abysmal,
Speaker 13: because we know that under this administration we've raised interest
Speaker 13: rates some five hundred basis points, and for every hundred
Speaker 13: basis points, every one percentage, you get about one hundred
Speaker 13: and eighty billion dollars of additional interest expense. We are
Speaker 13: creating our economy by spending ourselves into oblivion, and we
Speaker 13: should stop that. Republicans ran on cutting spending, and we're
Speaker 13: going to continue to kick the can down the road. Now, look,
Speaker 13: I applaud not having the Speaker's position of not having
Speaker 13: an omnibus bill before Christmas. But you know the best
Speaker 13: way to do that is just tell Schumer. No, you
Speaker 13: don't have to have some magic tricks to do that.
Speaker 13: Just tell the Schumer, no, you're not going to have
Speaker 13: an omnibus before Christmas. Instead of doing this bill where
Speaker 13: we kick it down to January and we pile the
Speaker 13: farm bill on top of it and spend five hundred
Speaker 13: billion dollars about four hundred million dollars sorry by January,
Speaker 13: to continue to wreck up debt, I think it's a mistake.
Speaker 5: And so let's follow up with that actual clip of
Speaker 5: Primilajia Paul applauding the deal that Mike Johnson was pushing yesterday.
Speaker 3: And the deal basically is Mike Johnson split the split
Speaker 3: government funding in two. One of the spending bills would
Speaker 3: expire at the end of January, around mid the end
Speaker 3: of January. The other expires in February. So with that gimmick,
Speaker 3: you kind of say, hey, I'm doing something as the
Speaker 3: new speaker. What do you guys think of this? Keeping
Speaker 3: spending levels where they are. Here's what Jayapaul, Congressional Progressive
Speaker 3: Caucus Chair, said about this.
Speaker 12: Look, I think two of the big things that we
Speaker 12: wanted are in this bill. I mean it is a
Speaker 12: big win that it is twenty twenty three levels, that
Speaker 12: is what we've said from the very beginning, and that
Speaker 12: it doesn't contain any poison pills. And so I think
Speaker 12: those are very significant.
Speaker 4: Wins for us.
Speaker 12: I have had concerns about dividing up the you know,
Speaker 12: the Continuing Resolution into two and separating it. To me,
Speaker 12: that makes no sense. I think the reason Speaker Johnson
Speaker 12: is doing this is because he needs to give a
Speaker 12: bone to the Freedom Caucus. I worry that it's two
Speaker 12: fiscal cliffs, but I think we're going to have to
Speaker 12: weigh the fact that the Senate seems to have not acted,
Speaker 12: and so I think it's a very big win that
Speaker 12: it's twenty twenty three levels and nothing else.
Speaker 5: So I was easy to pick up on Ryan's point.
Speaker 5: So this is from Reuters. The legislation would extend funding
Speaker 5: for military construction, veterans, benefit, transportation, housing, urban development, agriculture,
Speaker 5: the FDA, and energy and water programs through January nineteenth.
Speaker 5: Funding for all other federal operations, and that includes defense
Speaker 5: then expires in February second, and so this is Mike
Speaker 5: Johnson's as some people were saying, innovation is that he
Speaker 5: laddered the CERs or tiered them. And Giapaul said there
Speaker 5: she thinks that was the bone to the Freedom Caucus.
Speaker 5: And the Freedom Caucus loved that clip of Giapaul guarantee
Speaker 5: you because it says enhanced to them their argument on
Speaker 5: a silver platter that Mike Johnson just made a deal
Speaker 5: with Democrats essentially, and the vote yesterday, Ryan, here comes
Speaker 5: the spoiler. We can put the next element up on
Speaker 5: the screen. They passed it, and in fact the vote
Speaker 5: reflected the Freedom coccuss argument that this was a deal
Speaker 5: with Democrats. More Democrats ended up voting for it than
Speaker 5: Republicans did. And it's now headed to the Senate where
Speaker 5: it has to be passed by believe Saturday. The Senate
Speaker 5: has to pass this bill by Saturday. It is going
Speaker 5: to be tough with certain senators. How this ends up happening,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think probably they'll get to the votes.
Speaker 5: But to the point about poison pills, Republicans wanted to
Speaker 5: tie this to a lot of different things.
Speaker 4: The border they wanted to tie it to.
Speaker 5: They figured they could tie it to different things. Basically,
Speaker 5: the Farm Bill got rubber stamped yesterday. I mean, a
Speaker 5: huge piece of federal spending got rubber stamped yesterday for
Speaker 5: another year because they couldn't get to a deal on that.
Speaker 5: In and of itself is a huge piece of news.
Speaker 5: Because Washington fusses over the Farm Bill for a year
Speaker 5: basically before it's set to be reauthorized, the think tanks
Speaker 5: have a field day. Everyone's trying to figure out where
Speaker 5: they can get their little goodies because it's so much money.
Speaker 4: Is rubber stamp for the next year yesterday.
Speaker 3: And so ninety three Republicans voted no on Speaker Mike
Speaker 3: Johnson's plan here and only two Democrats voted against it,
Speaker 3: so he kind of the Republican Party split basically, you know,
Speaker 3: roughly down the middle. Democrats overwhelmingly supported this or like whatever.
Speaker 3: Now it doesn't have funding for Israel, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: funding for Ukraine, and so the Democrats and McConnell had
Speaker 3: been hoping that they would use you know, the specter
Speaker 3: of a government shutdown to get both Ukraine and Israel
Speaker 3: funding through. Now it seems like they're going to have
Speaker 3: to use the specter of there not being enough Israel
Speaker 3: funding in order to get the Ukraine funding through as well,
Speaker 3: or wait until January February to lavish money on these clients.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that's exactly where we stand right now. And
Speaker 5: the point is a good one. That Okay, So to
Speaker 5: avoid the Christmas shutdown, which Congress hates for personal reasons.
Speaker 4: Let's be real, nobody likes it because it doesn't make
Speaker 4: anybody feel good.
Speaker 5: About their country going into the holidays. It's not fun
Speaker 5: for staff, it's not fun for Congress people, and it's
Speaker 5: it's definitely not fun for the public either to watch
Speaker 5: the country, you know, seem to be in shambles. But
Speaker 5: that's you know again, the Republicans just are boxed in.
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is boxed in the Freedom Caucus. What they
Speaker 5: would have wanted is some as Jiapaul would put it,
Speaker 5: poison pill. There's nothing in here about the irs. There's
Speaker 5: nothing in here about the border.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And that to them is there's nothing even though there's
Speaker 5: no Ukraine or Israel in it. That this has been
Speaker 5: sort of disentangled for now. We'll see what the Senate
Speaker 5: has to say about that. It's saying we control the House.
Speaker 5: Voters elected us to control the House, and you're going
Speaker 5: to pass a spending bill with Democrats. Well, from Mike
Speaker 5: Johnson's vantage point, there's one person motion to vacate that
Speaker 5: Matt Gates used and the quote hatefully used, spent weeks
Speaker 5: tied up just trying to figure out who the speaker
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 4: That's why they're on the crunch time.
Speaker 5: That's why they don't have time to talk about the
Speaker 5: farm bill. So why they don't have time to or
Speaker 5: find a deal on the farm bill, it's why they
Speaker 5: didn't have any time to find consensus. Even if they
Speaker 5: had more time, they would it would almost be impossible
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 4: To any consensus on.
Speaker 5: This anyway because of you know, the one person motion
Speaker 5: of vacate being used, and just really it's the numbers.
Speaker 5: There's just Mike Johnson's numbers game that he has to
Speaker 5: play unless he wants a government shutdown, which people in
Speaker 5: the Freedom Cocass say is fine that you know, Republicans
Speaker 5: would be fine you let Chuck Schumer shut down the government,
Speaker 5: Let Joe Biden shut down the government.
Speaker 4: Even though of.
Speaker 5: Course the media is never going to take that argument
Speaker 5: and give it to the American people.
Speaker 4: You're stuck. You're stuck.
Speaker 3: So it brings us to our next segment. So while
Speaker 3: it looks like we're not going to have a government
Speaker 3: shut down at least until January or February, or maybe
Speaker 3: a half government shut down January, the other half in February. Sorry,
Speaker 3: we put this element up here. The goldilocks soft landing
Speaker 3: that the FED has been talking about appears to be
Speaker 3: actually getting closer to reality. Yesterday, the market boomed on
Speaker 3: inflation data that showed no change in prices from month
Speaker 3: to month, which is the first time that that has
Speaker 3: happened in the last you know, basically since we started
Speaker 3: getting inflation went eighteen nineteen months ago. And so for
Speaker 3: the regular consumer, they don't want to see prices there
Speaker 3: where they are. They want to see prices come down. Now,
Speaker 3: careful what you wish for. Deflation can have some far
Speaker 3: more corrosive effects sometimes than inflation, because you start to
Speaker 3: see because the system, the system is not built to
Speaker 3: work in reverse, and you will start to see job
Speaker 3: losses like you haven't seen since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: You could have maybe some very gentle inflation for a
Speaker 3: little while, but not not for long. It just throws
Speaker 3: everything for a loop in a system that is premised
Speaker 3: on infinite growth, not not de growth. However, this news
Speaker 3: added to people's optimism. And when I say people, i'm
Speaker 3: talking about like bond traders and like money people, their optimism.
Speaker 4: Bonders are people to bond traders are people too.
Speaker 3: They're optimism that there wouldn't be further interest rate hikes
Speaker 3: by by the federal by the Federal Reserve. Do you
Speaker 3: think there are any political implications of this or do
Speaker 3: you think that the the idea that the economy is
Speaker 3: worse for many people is so baked in that that's
Speaker 3: that that's just is what it is at this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the Biden administration and actually
Speaker 5: we have a clip of Koreem John Pierre kind of
Speaker 5: getting pressed on so called Bidenomics that we might as
Speaker 5: well actually just roll right now as we're talking about this,
Speaker 5: let's let's roll the next clip here.
Speaker 12: And I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep go to keep I'm gonnakeep.
Speaker 9: Going ahead working, but I'm just gonna want they just
Speaker 9: keep ahead.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 9: Stream Meta Platform said that it's going to require advertisers cringe.
Speaker 5: Jean Pierre not really wanting to get into the question
Speaker 5: of of is Bidenomics working, because they rolled out that
Speaker 5: term Bidenomics ahead of twenty twenty four, and I've noticed
Speaker 5: it's kind of falling flat, falls flat with people who
Speaker 5: are on the left, falls flat with independence, falls flat
Speaker 5: with people on the right, does really well with the
Speaker 5: key Krugman demographic. Paul Krugman loves it.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: He's said it makes no sense, like consumers are crazy
Speaker 5: to say the economy isn't working for them. Bidenomics is
Speaker 5: doing just fine. I'm paraphrasing him there. I don't even
Speaker 5: know if he's used the word bidenomics, but basically, the
Speaker 5: economy is doing all right. The other political question here
Speaker 5: is obviously the FED, and that one I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what even Biden wants the
Speaker 5: FED to do at this point.
Speaker 3: And there was a poll recently that said that the
Speaker 3: public wanted Biden to focus more on inflation and they
Speaker 3: felt like Biden was focused more on jobs and unemployment.
Speaker 3: And I think for what people need to remember is
Speaker 3: that if you're under the age of between thirty and
Speaker 3: thirty five, you didn't let's just say under third, if
Speaker 3: you graduated in twenty fifteen, graduated college, say twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, you have experienced economic growth and shrinking unemployment
Speaker 3: every year basically except for that weird pandemic year, but
Speaker 3: then you had so much kind of federal stimulus pumped
Speaker 3: in that for the last ten years. So yeah, if
Speaker 3: your early thirties, you don't know what it's like to
Speaker 3: be in an economy that has a ten percent unemployment
Speaker 3: rate and the way that that can crush the soul
Speaker 3: of not just every individual who experiences that unemployment, crush
Speaker 3: the soul of the entire country, which turns in on
Speaker 3: itself and completely drains the labor force of its strength
Speaker 3: and of its militancy. Like this, all of the all
Speaker 3: the gains that we're seeing from unions are undergirded and
Speaker 3: would not be happening without the unemployment rate being what
Speaker 3: it is now three point nine percent. Is if you
Speaker 3: push back against your boss and you try and you say, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what, I am interested in forming union, and
Speaker 3: you get fired, you can go get another job, and
Speaker 3: so I get it. People like things are more expensive,
Speaker 3: like it sucks that that part of it sucks. The housing,
Speaker 3: housing and rent situation is a complete catastrophe. But I
Speaker 3: think people have forgotten. I'm glad they've forgotten, but it's
Speaker 3: it's leading to I think, taking for granted the idea
Speaker 3: of being in a tight economy where you can get
Speaker 3: a job if you need one.
Speaker 5: Have you watched Dumb Money yet? The Hollywood take on
Speaker 5: the Game Stop situation. No, it's very, very good and
Speaker 5: one of the characters and it explains actually how the
Speaker 5: recession in eight affected her family.
Speaker 4: She's in college at the time of the Game Stop.
Speaker 5: Situation and actually ends up gambling on the stock to
Speaker 5: pay for her student loan debt. And so I think
Speaker 5: for people who are you know, in frankly my age,
Speaker 5: that are in their their early thirties and maybe graduated
Speaker 5: college round the time period you said, or have graduated
Speaker 5: college recently, they have in the last couple of years
Speaker 5: been yanked around on the student debt question to a
Speaker 5: point that is just untenable. I think part of that
Speaker 5: is why credit card delinquencies are going up, because people
Speaker 5: don't know where their money is going to go. And
Speaker 5: so I think the kind of Kraugman take on the
Speaker 5: economy that we've seen not just from him, but from
Speaker 5: other sort of professional economists misses that for example, if
Speaker 5: you're in California, what you're paying for gas is insane,
Speaker 5: And if you happen to be in your early thirties,
Speaker 5: what you've been dealing with in student loans in the
Speaker 5: last couple of years is also crazy. They're just it's
Speaker 5: so uneven. Things feel really uneven to people. You're experiencing
Speaker 5: it in different ways at different times for different reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's great that people are employed at the
Speaker 3: same time, Like you said, if your money has run
Speaker 3: out by like the twentieth of every month, and you're
Speaker 3: spending every month the last week and a half of
Speaker 3: that moving things around and just holding your breath, you know,
Speaker 3: waiting to get to the next next month, and then
Speaker 3: as soon as the next month comes, your rent or
Speaker 3: your mortgagees do, so you're pushing that back. Like if
Speaker 3: that's how you're constantly living, and that describes tens of
Speaker 3: millions of people, if not even more, then I understand
Speaker 3: why you know, there's so much hostility around it. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, unemployment under four percent was previously
Speaker 3: thought impossible, Like they economists came up with the term
Speaker 3: called natural rate of unemployment narrow, which they were guessing
Speaker 3: was five or six percent. They completely made this phenomenon up.
Speaker 3: There's nothing natural about an economy. Is a construction of
Speaker 3: a society, doesn't come from the earth or something.
Speaker 5: Well, we also have the highest level of working age
Speaker 5: men out of the workforce that we've had since like
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties. Like that is another part of the
Speaker 5: economy that I think feels pretty awful to people too,
Speaker 5: That there are some people who don't even feel like
Speaker 5: it's worth it to look for work anymore.
Speaker 4: And so when we have low unemployment that high level.
Speaker 5: Nick Ebersat has done an economist, he's done work on
Speaker 5: that question of working age men outside of the workforce.
Speaker 4: That question of just abject.
Speaker 5: Misery is another good one that I think, you know,
Speaker 5: when you're trying to figure out this picture of how
Speaker 5: low levels of unemployment are translating into these you know,
Speaker 5: questions of is the economy working for us? As the
Speaker 5: president doing enough for us, I feel like that's another
Speaker 5: important part of it.
Speaker 4: It just does not get talked about enough at all.
Speaker 3: Although even the labor force participation right rate is doing
Speaker 3: better than.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of women back in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yes, there's a lot of bleakness out there.
Speaker 3: There's also a lot of things that are going much
Speaker 3: better than they used to be. And what's interesting is
Speaker 3: that if you take any particular economic indicator and say
Speaker 3: this is why people are feeling hurt, and then you
Speaker 3: roll it back ten fifteen years, you find that the
Speaker 3: economic indicators worse back then, yet people felt better about it.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that has to do
Speaker 3: with the debt people have around student debt, the cumulative
Speaker 3: price increase, and also the inability to find sustainable housing.
Speaker 3: It plus fears about the future, I think fit into
Speaker 3: a lot of this. So it's an interesting moment where
Speaker 3: we have people in misery, feeling miserable, yet also some
Speaker 3: of the many of the economic indicators better than they've
Speaker 3: been in a lot of people's lifetimes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just think to close the loop on this,
Speaker 5: especially since this is our last show before Thanksgiving and
Speaker 5: it's thanks were preparing for.
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving meals next week.
Speaker 5: There was an American Farm Bureau Federation analysis of Thanksgiving
Speaker 5: dinner prices that I saw on Axeos this morning.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it now. This is what's really interesting
Speaker 4: it is down in total.
Speaker 5: They sort of put together their standard package of a
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving meal. Down in total compared to last year. That
Speaker 5: is still up twenty five percent compared to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 5: which is really interesting because it gets to the Reagan
Speaker 5: reelection line, ask yourself, are you better than you were?
Speaker 5: Better off than you were four years ago? And politicians,
Speaker 5: whether they're Democrats or Republicans always want to be able
Speaker 5: to ask some version of that question. And you know,
Speaker 5: for the suburban moms that the Biden campaign really wants
Speaker 5: to win back, we're the ones that do a lot
Speaker 5: of grocery shopping and you know, cooking and are looking
Speaker 5: at some food prices. Where As Matt Stoller would accurately
Speaker 5: argue there's a lot of consolidation and supply chain issues
Speaker 5: post COVID, they're still real and that weren't the fault
Speaker 5: of Joe Biden. They were the fault of of the
Speaker 5: COVID economy. They're the fault of a worldwide pandemic. Some
Speaker 5: of that is still trickling into prices, and that twenty
Speaker 5: nineteen comparison on food stuffs, things like milk still that's
Speaker 5: I think when you're it's hitting people's pocketbook in one
Speaker 5: of the more visible ways, just the ways that they
Speaker 5: feed their family, and that is unfortunate for the Biden
Speaker 5: administration and something they were going to have to, i think,
Speaker 5: answer for in the next year.
Speaker 3: Let's turn to our regular update on the effort to
Speaker 3: impeach Alejandro Majorcas.
Speaker 5: This is another we covered the If you look on
Speaker 5: the screen, you see just the fight block. We covered
Speaker 5: a lot of fights in that block, but not all
Speaker 5: of them. It gets but wait.
Speaker 4: There's more.
Speaker 3: So what are they upset with Mayorcus for now?
Speaker 5: So Marjorie Taylor Green and we can put the first
Speaker 5: element up on the screen for this one. Marjorie Tayler
Speaker 5: Green tried to send a vote to impeach Mayorcus to
Speaker 5: the floor yesterday. So I'm reading here from the Associated
Speaker 5: Press the House voted Monday to push off or This
Speaker 5: was this happened on Monday, to push off a Republican
Speaker 5: effort to impeach my Orcus, ending for now a threat
Speaker 5: against the Cabinet secretary that has been brewing ever since
Speaker 5: Republicans took the House majority in January. Marjorie Tayler Green
Speaker 5: forced to vote. She forced the vote Ryan on impeaching
Speaker 5: mayericas to the floor through a rule that allows right.
Speaker 5: It allows any single member to force a snap vote
Speaker 5: on resolutions, including constitutional matters such as impeachment. Eight Republicans
Speaker 5: joined with Democrats to vote two oh nine to two
Speaker 5: OHO one to send her resolution to committees for possible consideration.
Speaker 5: Like any other bill, they are under no obligation to
Speaker 5: do anything. Green then takes to the floor and accuses
Speaker 5: me Orcus of quote a pattern of conduct that is
Speaker 5: incompatible with the laws of the US, and she cited
Speaker 5: as the AP says record numbers of illegal border crossings
Speaker 5: and influx of drugs, and quote his open border policies.
Speaker 5: She then went off on Republicans yesterday, we can put
Speaker 5: the next element up all on the screen. This is
Speaker 5: a tweet not at darryl Isa, but about darryl Isa
Speaker 5: from Marjorie's Taylor Green.
Speaker 4: Daryl Isa is right.
Speaker 5: I am a hard working member of Congress who puts
Speaker 5: the American people first. Green tweeted, but we all know
Speaker 5: what darryl Isa lacks.
Speaker 4: Dot dot dot.
Speaker 5: And then there's an emoji of a football, an emoji
Speaker 5: of a basketball, an emoji of a baseball, an emoji
Speaker 5: of a tennis ball, and even Ryan an emoji of
Speaker 5: an eight ball, which you initially took a second to get.
Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on? I wasn't In my defense,
Speaker 3: I was, I guess I wasn't entirely focused on her posts,
Speaker 3: so I didn't absorb it, and like, what's going.
Speaker 4: On at the bottom there you had in your coffee either?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why is a tennis ball green?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? So why is a tennis ball? You think
Speaker 4: it should be yellow?
Speaker 3: I guess yellow doesn't show up very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah the emoji isn't the emoji always green?
Speaker 3: I guess, But I just I guess I've never used
Speaker 3: a tennis ball emoji before.
Speaker 4: Surprising for a middle aged white man.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How about that? Didn't even know there was? When?
Speaker 3: Of course there is?
Speaker 5: Though, But actually, in all serious sness, we do have
Speaker 5: border numbers and it makes sense. So the reason that
Speaker 5: I think this is fairly important news is that CBP
Speaker 5: released data yesterday saying that it apprehended nearly a quarter
Speaker 5: of a million people at the US Mexico border in October.
Speaker 4: So a quarter of a million people.
Speaker 5: That's actually a decrease from September's numbers, and that's how
Speaker 5: a lot of the media ran with the story. So
Speaker 5: illegal border crossings into the US drop in October after
Speaker 5: a three month streak of increases. Again from the Associated Press,
Speaker 5: still it's actually a record high for all Octobers in history.
Speaker 5: That's a you know, that might be the headline rather
Speaker 5: than they decrease a record high for October. So last
Speaker 5: month it did have the all time record high of
Speaker 5: two hundred sixty nine thousand, seven hundred and thirty five apprehensions.
Speaker 5: That means more than two point four to seven million
Speaker 5: on the year, So now that's about two and a
Speaker 5: half million for the year. That also broke the number
Speaker 5: for the record of migrants attempting who are on the
Speaker 5: government's to watch list in September, which is in the
Speaker 5: entire context of what's happening in the Middle East as
Speaker 5: well Indian migrants. There was a story, and I think
Speaker 5: it was The New York Times about how there's surging
Speaker 5: numbers of people coming from all over the world, desperate
Speaker 5: people who may not qualify technically under our asylum laws,
Speaker 5: and maybe we should change those asylum laws. But people
Speaker 5: who are going to be in limbo for the next
Speaker 5: couple of years waiting for those asylum laws and may
Speaker 5: end up having to go home after their case, you know,
Speaker 5: actually makes its way through the court system, or maybe
Speaker 5: their case never will make its way through the court system,
Speaker 5: and they will have these sort of shadow existences that
Speaker 5: are very sad and difficult in sanctuary cities actually, like
Speaker 5: the one that Chi Jinping is visiting today, Ryan, So
Speaker 5: Republicans really did want to go after mayorcus.
Speaker 4: They thought that.
Speaker 5: Maybe still people, if you talk to people in freedom
Speaker 5: coucass circles, still wish that instead of abiden impeachment, the
Speaker 5: House had focused all of its political might on a
Speaker 5: Mayorcis impeachment, because what's happening at the border is something
Speaker 5: that you can really persuade independence with, and something that
Speaker 5: you can really persuade you know, republic the Republican base
Speaker 5: and centrist Democrats with in a way that you can't
Speaker 5: with Hunter Biden in a way that you can't with
Speaker 5: sort of that back and forth and law fare over
Speaker 5: subpoenas and whatever else. And I mean, I think the
Speaker 5: bottom line is that you have a quarter of a
Speaker 5: million people every month now being caught in our political crisis.
Speaker 3: I just don't quite get why impeaching majorcis is the
Speaker 3: thing that they're focused on rather than putting well, I'm
Speaker 3: about to answer my own question, rather than putting forward
Speaker 3: their own solution legislatively and then kind of forcing the
Speaker 3: question there because.
Speaker 5: Like they did pass it, I mean they passed I
Speaker 5: think it's HR two and then put it into that
Speaker 5: was one of the poisons, right, the primila Jiapaul was
Speaker 5: talking about, but it is then it goes to Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 5: and Chuck Schumer says, the House knows that this is
Speaker 5: not starter, and it was a non starter from his
Speaker 5: perspective because you know, basically Democrats have a really hard
Speaker 5: time getting around any changes to.
Speaker 4: Asylum law, right, and that is like really the.
Speaker 5: One thing that has to be confronted, and obviously I
Speaker 5: have we may disagree on what that is, but Democrats,
Speaker 5: that is their non starters.
Speaker 4: Is starting to have this conversation about asylum law.
Speaker 3: And impeaching a cabinet official just seems kind of like
Speaker 3: a funny concept to me, because what do you think
Speaker 3: that he's rogue and like Biden is telling him to
Speaker 3: do one thing and he's out doing something different. So
Speaker 3: you get may orcus out. There's still going to be
Speaker 3: a Biden Cabinet secretary who's running the Department of Homeland Security,
Speaker 3: So what do you You impeach him the first day.
Speaker 3: But also you need two thirds in the Senate, which
Speaker 3: obviously it won't even get up floor boat in the Senate,
Speaker 3: let alone get anywhere near the two thirds that would
Speaker 3: be needed. So it's a way to highlight the question,
Speaker 3: you know, elevate the issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: And Daryl all Issa said, quote the history. He said
Speaker 5: that Marjorie Taylor Green lacked the maturity and the experience
Speaker 5: to understand what she was asking for. And the reason
Speaker 5: for that, I think is this question of privileged resolutions,
Speaker 5: the force the vote type of resolution, which he says,
Speaker 5: they're brought to the majority by the majority leader or
Speaker 5: the minority leader. Privilege resolutions are not have not historically
Speaker 5: been brought by one member. When they do come from
Speaker 5: one member, they're most often referred to committee, as it
Speaker 5: was yesterday. So Margeri Taylor Green didn't it did not
Speaker 5: have a support of her own party to do this,
Speaker 5: not even from people, I think who are substantively on
Speaker 5: her side of the question. And that's interesting because dere Issa,
Speaker 5: you've covered this longing that I have is right about
Speaker 5: the history of the privileged resolution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about forcing the.
Speaker 3: Vote, Yeah, you're not Yes, he's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's Keim McCarthy back in there who could tell her,
Speaker 3: like how this works culture?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, and you know she's not wrong that
Speaker 5: her base doesn't give a damn about dryl on the
Speaker 5: history of privileged resolutions. The average Publican voter, let alone
Speaker 5: the average Republican voter in her district, darryl Issa would
Speaker 5: tell them that.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, yeah, so what dream swamp.
Speaker 5: Like, we have a quarter of a million people coming
Speaker 5: over every month and you're talking to me about the
Speaker 5: history of quit privileged resolutions and parliamentary procedure wouldn't really
Speaker 5: make a difference, but it does make a difference in Congress,
Speaker 5: you know, when you're trying to make actual law. It
Speaker 5: does make a difference how you relate to your colleagues
Speaker 5: and how you're able to use the various parliamentary mechanisms.
Speaker 4: And this was an alp Marjorie.
Speaker 5: Tiller Green, although I think probably a w in the
Speaker 5: public relations from her goals.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the that's a mo right, All right,
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