1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: back together with you as we get ready for Thursday 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Night Football. We've got a great slate of NFL action 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: and Buck, I feel like November once that calendar turns 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: over and we get to November, I don't know why 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: it is, but it just feels like Halloween happens. And 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: then like the draft, the draft, the draft, like it 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: just starts. You start hearing that in your head a 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, better get started. You know, 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: you better get started because you know what you're you're 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: dealing with. DJ. Your body clock, your body knows. Like 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: typically in our old professor where we were scouting Novembers 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: when all the reports have to be in, we think 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: about Thanksgiving being that deadline when everything has to be submitted. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: The first week of Decembers when you may go back 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: to your respective teams have those meetings where you begin 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, the initial boards and kind 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: of putting things up there and getting it right, and 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: who do we need to see at all Star games 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: that and so some of what you're feeling is that 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: old pressure that you would feel, do I need to 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: make this second and third visit to see this guy 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: before I put this last grade in. And so that's 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: where we're at because for me, we always talk about 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: it robbery games, conference championship games. We're getting to the 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: mix where we want to see these big time prospects 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: in these big games, so we really can finalize the 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: great and how we feel about how these players are 30 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: going to play in the National Football League when they 31 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: get the opportunity. Yeah, there's that time where you kind 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: of go back through as a scout when you're doing 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: the job, you'll go back through all your list of schools, 34 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: and most scouts, the way teams do it, they have 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: anywhere from you know, forty to sixty five schools that 36 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: they're responsible for. So any player that comes out of 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: that program, you're responsible. If they're you know, a prospect, 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: a legitimate prospect, you're responsible for having a report in 39 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: the system. And what happens is, uh, this time of year, 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: you've got you you kind of leave these last couple 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: of weeks of your fall schedule open um, and as 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Bucky mentioned, you can kind of go back and clean 43 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: up some things. Okay, you know what, I just looked 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: up all the stats and I was that I was 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: at Florida State early in the season, and since then, 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: they've had this junior, you know, linebacker that all of 47 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: a sudden it started the last four games. He's playing 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: really well and there's some buzz that maybe he could 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: come out. I need to go back to Tallahasse to 50 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: get my eyes on him, body type him, watch the 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: updated tape, and get a report in the system. So 52 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: it's kind of a good time to finish up if 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: you're in the scouting business at working for a team. 54 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: For us on the media side, this is the kind 55 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: of the time where it's like, Okay, we've got plenty 56 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: of good games in the system, a lot of quality opponents. 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: We can really get cranking on these guys. So we're 58 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: gonna touch on some pass rushers that we're gonna be 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: evaluating in the spring and talking about as we head 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: towards the draft. We're gonna touch on a few of 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: those a little bit later on in the show. We're 62 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: also going to talk about some some running backs and 63 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: what we've seen before and after contact. When you dig 64 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: into those numbers, it's pretty fascinating, but Buck. Let's start 65 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: out here at the top and talk about kind of 66 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: really I guess the changing in the guarden. Look at 67 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and we look at last year to this year. 68 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: It feels like the older guys have fallen off significantly 69 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: and this is this leads kind of been handed over 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: to the younger quarterbacks, and we've seen it coming over 71 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: the last few years, but it's pretty pronounced this year. 72 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: It absolutely is pronounced this year. Dj the way that 73 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: we are able to evaluated, we're looking at passer rating 74 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: and we're looking at the number of guys who are 75 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: ditting the leaderboard. Last year we saw the old guys 76 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: at the top of the charts. You talked about Aaron 77 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: Rodgers being thirty seven years old, Kirk Cousin was thirty three, 78 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson thirty two, Matthew Stafford thirty three, Tom Brady. 79 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: All of those guys each had over one hundred and 80 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: two point one passer rating respectively. This year, when you 81 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: look at the tops, it's two a tog about Lloyd, 82 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, Gino Smith, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow. 83 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Of those guys listed, only Gino Smith is over thirty 84 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: years of age, and so you talk about it being 85 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: a young person's game at that position. Uh, the way 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: the game is trending with more than collegiate concepts bleeding 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: into the game plan, the game is no longer what 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: NFL football used to be. Sunday Football looks a lot 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: more like Saturday that I think we ever could have anticipated. Yeah, 90 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: if you just take the number right, a hundred one 91 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: or a hundred two, whatever number you prefer. Last year 92 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: you had five guys over thirty in that in that 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: top group that were over a hundred and two. This 94 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: year you got one that you mentioned there and Gino Smith. 95 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: So um, it definitely has it definitely has a feel 96 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: of this old guard is kind of going out and 97 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: this new guard is coming in, which which begs the question, 98 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: as you've seen some tail off a little bit in 99 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers play. Don't understand again why they didn't do 100 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: anything to help him at the trade deadline. You look 101 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: at Kirk Cousins, a team that is in first place 102 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: in that division. He's still playing well, his his pass 103 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: ratings not quite as high as it was last year. 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: But they go out and they get some help for 105 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: him and go out and get t J. Hockenson, Matthew 106 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: Stafford and the Rams have phone off a Cliff Russell Wilson. 107 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, like, this is not happening for the Denver Broncos. 108 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: They were just sellers. Tom Brady, they didn't do anything there. 109 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: I think they can kind of see, you know, the 110 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: writing on the wall there that this this is not 111 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: gonna happen for them, and this is probably lying down 112 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: in his career. It's and then you flip it over 113 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: to the other side and you see to a young 114 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: player with the highest passer rating, they go out and 115 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: get Bradley Chubb. They go out and get some help 116 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: there for him. Jeff Wilson comes in. You look at 117 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Mahomes twenty six years old. Um, they go out and 118 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: get Cadarious Tony. Continuing to build around these younger guys, 119 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Nahem Hines. They're aggressive. He's on this list, 120 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. They were buyers at the deadline. These young 121 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks there, they're they're they're bringing guys in where some 122 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: of these older guys. I think that organizationally, maybe they're 123 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of looking at this and seeing, you know, we 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: look at these numbers and say, Okay, maybe we aren't 125 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: a championship caliber team right now, we don't want to 126 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: part with more resources. I don't agree with it when 127 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: it comes to Aaron Rodgers, um, but it is it's 128 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: a fascinating discussion. It is a fascinating discussing in a 129 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: couple of different ways to think about it. You and 130 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: I have talked about this multiple times on the podcast. 131 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Where the ordertive quarterback, the more support they need because 132 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily that the quarterback has has diminishing skills, 133 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: but it's now you're trying to preserve him from what 134 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: those guys to have at moments. I don't want to 135 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: ride Aaron Rodgers for all seventeen games and then he 136 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have anything enough for the postseason. In a perfect world, 137 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: I would like to lean on the supporting cast to 138 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: do all the dirty work. The running game. Uh, maybe 139 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: some of the playmakers were now three to four plays 140 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: a game. I theed Aaron Rodgers to be at his best, 141 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: but the rest of the time he's operating in managerial mode. Well, now, 142 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have that support, you're asking to be 143 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: more of a playmaker, and man, those shoulders get heavy. 144 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: They get tired from carrying the offense each and every week. 145 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: The best players have a supporting cast that alleviate some 146 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: of the burden on them, and we're seeing with all 147 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: of these young guys that were naming DJ just look 148 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: at the supporting cast at two a ton about Lower's 149 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: playing with. Look at some of the weapons that Pat 150 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: Mahomes now has around him, with Travis Kelsey, Geno Smiths. 151 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: You can argue DK Metcalf, Tyler Locket two of the 152 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: us in the business, and that Josh Allen what he has. 153 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Jalen hurts there is something to this theory because it's 154 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: not a coincidence that these young quarterbacks that we're mentioning 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: also have very talented playmakers around it. I want to 156 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: ask you on to We've talked a lot about him 157 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: throughout the fall. He's having an unbelievable season. We've you know, 158 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: you've been a great job of hammering home that point 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: of trying to rebuild Alabama in South Florida with all 160 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: the speed that they've put him around, that you love 161 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the system that they have Mike McDaniel creating a system 162 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: that suits him beautifully. Do you think what we're looking 163 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: at right now with him leading the league in QUB 164 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: rating and as high level as he's playing, is this 165 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: do you think this is sustainable all the way through 166 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: buck Well? I think so. DJ I think when he 167 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: was coming out of Alabama, I think the person that 168 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: we liked him to was Drew Brees. And so when 169 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: you think about Drew Brees, it was a very efficient 170 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: way that he ran the Saints offense for years. It 171 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: wasn't necessary about the spectacle or armed talent. He was talented, though, 172 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: but it was about the way that he was a 173 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: just ttributor. He was a past first point guard playing 174 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: on a fast break where he had a bunch of 175 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: wings that could make plays. When then when I look 176 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: at the Miami Dolphins, to a Ton has everything that 177 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: you need to operate efficiently. The way that he plays 178 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: the game. Tyreek killing Jen and Waddle outstanding catch and 179 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: run playmakers. Mike Gasicki is a red zone weapon. You 180 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: now go and look at the backs that they have 181 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: in the backfield. All of these guys can flourish in 182 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: this system that Mike McDaniel wants to run, and so 183 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: to just has to operate like a high end manager. 184 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: And I know game manager is a dirty word when 185 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: it comes to quarterback play. But if you're winning games 186 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: and you're distributing a ball to the level that he is, 187 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: he will get all the credit and accolades that he 188 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,239 Speaker 1: may desire just by being a good player who understands 189 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: how to play the game in a winning fashion. And 190 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting when you go back and look 191 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: him and it's been a minute. You go back from 192 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of the year to beat New England week 193 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: one and to his own New England. Since he's been there, 194 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: he's been great against the New England Patriots, Baltimore, who's 195 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: has the look of a play off team, they beat them. 196 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: Buffalo and the Division, the class of of the a 197 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: f C right now, they beat them. So they have 198 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: quality wins with him under center. In these last two 199 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: weeks since he's come back. Um, you look at Pittsburgh 200 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: and Detroit. Okay, they're not great teams, but they're they're 201 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: winning ballgames with two I think it's sustainable. I don't 202 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: really see this phone off. The only thing I would, 203 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, be a little bit hesitant about as if 204 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be aggressive as a runner and get 205 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: hit and and you worry about the durability. To me, 206 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to run um. He can scramble around 207 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'm fine if he hadn't never 208 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: cross the line of scrimmage. Buck Well, I think that's 209 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: not unders his game. Like he's not a duel three quarterback. 210 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: And I know when people kind of allude to him 211 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: being that, that's not how he's ever played the game. 212 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: Even when he was at his best at Alabama, he 213 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: was more of the Drew Brees type, sitting in the pocket, 214 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: get the ball out. He was an r FO master 215 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: because he has one of the quickest releases that we've seen. 216 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: And when you flash, bake and get it out and 217 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: allow those guys, particularly the guys that he had back 218 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: at Alabama, to kiss things on the move, the explosive 219 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: place happened. The Moamie Dolphins have just recreated that kind 220 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: of environment for him down to South Florida. They've given 221 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: him elite playmakers that are doing it. Man the best 222 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: wide receiver pass catch and tenem in football right now, 223 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Jen and Waddle and Tyrikio. Just look at the numbers 224 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: they are putting up ridiculous numbers on the perimeter. And 225 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: we can talk about the air yards and he's just 226 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: throwing Deacon dunk. But I'm looking up in Waddles averaging 227 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: over fifteen yards for a catch. That's a big play machine. 228 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Tyrikio does when he always has done. So. I love 229 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: where the Dolphins are at. I like how they're bringing 230 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: to along. The only thing that I would saying with 231 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: twa he man when the haters have fired all the shots, 232 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: is no need to address it. Continue to allow your 233 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: play to speak for yourself because the power of the 234 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: pin when you fire back. When you have that bad game, 235 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: the writers they're gonna get you. You You can't worry about 236 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: all the haters that didn't like the game. Just played 237 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: the game. Yeah he's feeling he's feeling a little bit 238 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: right now. Uh with the barking back a little that 239 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: side come out of him. Oh yeah, By the way, 240 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: circle this day, Uh, Sunday, December four, the Miami Dolphins 241 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: are gonna travel on the road and take on to 242 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners. That is one I'm looking forward 243 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: to seeing seeing how they do against that front. And 244 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: you have Mike McDaniel going back San Francisco. The connection 245 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: there with Kyle Shanahan. That's gonna be a that's gonna 246 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: be a big stage for them. In the meantime, I 247 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: think they hammer Chicago that I think they'll beat Cleveland, 248 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: they will beat Houston. So I think they're gonna roll 249 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: into San Francisco as an eight and three team and 250 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a heck of a showdown. So looking 251 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: forward to that one, I think we're both buying the Dolphins, 252 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: both buying to a where we stand at this point 253 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: in time. All we're gonna take a break, we're gonna 254 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna talk about some running backs. The 255 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: interesting numbers here when you look at yards before and 256 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: after contact. We'll see what we can learn from that. 257 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: Right after this, I'm looking at some running backs here, 258 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: Buck and some interesting numbers. I love it when you 259 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: can pull up the before and after contact numbers. This 260 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: is via next Gen Stats. So among thirty seven running 261 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: backs with six plus carries, here's the numbers and what 262 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: they look like. So if we're looking at yards after 263 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: contact per carry, number one in the league is the 264 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: Dallas running back and it's not Zeke Elliott, and I 265 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: don't think people will be surprised by this. Tony Pollard 266 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: at five point four yards after contact. You look at 267 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert from Chicago, uh, physical young back at four 268 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: point seven and another probably the most physical back in 269 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the league, not a surprise, Nick Chubb at four point five. 270 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: So this is yards after contact per carry. Again, you 271 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: gotta have sixty plus carries. Those are the top three guys. 272 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: E Do you buy into this stat? What does it 273 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: mean to you? Is it important and be what do 274 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: you think of the three names that showed up here 275 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: at the top of the leaderboard. Well, what I absolutely 276 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: buy into this stat because to me, when we're looking 277 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: at running backs and one of the things that we're 278 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: looking at on tape is your ability to run through 279 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: arm tackles. Can you run through tackles? Do you have 280 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: what DJ you always point out as contact ballance? What's 281 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: your balance and by the control like when you running 282 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: through the hole, did you get knocked off your pins 283 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: the first time that you get hit or do you 284 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: have the ability to kind of ship off that initial 285 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: blow and continue to get positive yards. The fact that 286 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is at the top of the list, Wow, 287 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: never would have thought he was the guy because for 288 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: so much of the time when you're looking at the 289 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. It's all about Ezekiel Elliott pounded between the tackles, 290 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: he softens them up, and then Tony Pollard goes through 291 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: there and really blows the doors off of the defense 292 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: because he's an explosive running the fact that he's running 293 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: through contact, maybe he is primed for a bigger role. 294 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he is problemed to be the RB one if 295 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Zeke is no longer the player that he wants was. 296 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: And then the other player, Khalil Herbert for the Chicago Bears. 297 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone is paying attention, but the 298 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: Bears a number one in rushing offense right now. Khalil 299 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: Herbert has become a big part of this backfield. He's 300 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: splitting time with Dave Montgomery, but they are wearing people 301 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: out running the football. Yeah, justin fields certainly enhances the 302 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: running game with his ability to run design quarterback runs 303 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: in option routs, but option plays. But Kalil Herbert has 304 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: been a guy. He is really pushing David Montgomery to 305 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: be the number one back in that back roup. Yeah, 306 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: I I believe in this. This statu Buck and uh, 307 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, great call talking about Khalil Herbert and what 308 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: he's developed into here in his young career. It's impressive 309 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: what he's done for the pairs. I want to give 310 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: you three scouting terms because we always look at things 311 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: from a scouting standpoint. Here, I'll move the sticks and 312 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: that goes back to our scouting background. But here's three 313 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: terms you can use when you're talking about breaking tackles. 314 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: And this would fall under yards after contact. It's very simple. 315 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: You got pulled through, you've got stepped through, and you've 316 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: got run through. Okay, does all sound kind of similar? 317 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: Let me explain the difference here. Pull through? Uh, that 318 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: is the ability. You think about Tony Pollard. You think 319 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: about arm tackle. He's able to pull through those arm tackles, right, 320 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: guys are reaching and grabbing. You can pull through that. 321 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: How about step through? Okay, you run into the hole, 322 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: a guy is gonna go on you low, You're able 323 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to pick your feet up, You're able to step through 324 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: that tackle. Um. Again, that's gonna classify his yards after contact. 325 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And then lastly is the run through. That's where you 326 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: think of kind of the old school dropped your shoulder, 327 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, Bo Jackson, run guys over, run through guys. Um. 328 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: So those are three terms that are similar but very different. 329 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: And I think what you see is different styles of 330 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: these guys. So Nick Chubb to me, Nick Chubb is 331 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: a run through back. He can lower his shoulder and 332 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: he's going to run right through you. Tony Pollard to me, 333 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: is more they pull through. He's gonna pull through arm tackles. 334 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna step through low tackles, not really going to 335 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: drop his shoulder on guys. And I think Khalil Herbert's 336 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: maybe a combination of the of the two backs. I 337 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: think he can do a little bit of both those things. Yeah, look, 338 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: I think those are great terms, and I love the 339 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: way that you were able to break that down because 340 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that that you're looking for when 341 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: you're evaluating running backs. And I'll say this, I believe 342 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: when a bit of a renaissance when it comes to 343 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the running back position. For so years, so many years, 344 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: we kind of cast them to the side, say they 345 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: were not important. When now you look up the Russian leaders, 346 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: these guys are important to being used like workhorse back 347 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: because teams are admitted to running opponents defenses out of 348 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: two high shields, out of all these little sub packages 349 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: that they've been able to utilize to get after the quarterback. Well, 350 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: now the counter has been, oh, we're gonna run right 351 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: at them. And the success that we're seeing from the 352 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Bears and the Eagles and some of these other teams 353 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: are against these teams trying to play past centric fronts 354 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: and coverage against run heavy teams, we're seeing the success. 355 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: So it's flipping. But it takes having a really good 356 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: running back or running back who can get you more 357 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: than what the play is blocked. Those are the ones 358 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: that go to the front of the line because that 359 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: allows your offense to generate some explosive players because they 360 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: have enough creativity to be able to get it on 361 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: their own. And I also think there's there's uh, you know, 362 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: there's an importance and we've talked about this a bunch 363 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: about secondary players. Think about corners, safeties, their ability to tackle. 364 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: These run schemes are bringing those players into the run game. 365 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: They're bringing them into the run fit and so they're 366 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: gonna identify you've got a nickel, you've got a corner, 367 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: you've got a safety that doesn't tackle. Well, well, guess 368 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: what when you're playing against the Cowboys, the Bears and 369 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: the Browns. They're gonna find a way to get these 370 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: tackle breakers in space against those defenders that are maybe 371 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: a little bit weak against the run, and they're gonna 372 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna expose you. If you can't tackle as a corner, 373 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: nicola or safety, you're gonna get exposed. So I think 374 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: this tells us a lot about some of those defensive 375 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: players as well as as the offensive guys. When you 376 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: look at the mis tackles that lead to these yards 377 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: after contact per carry um the next number here, we'll 378 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: go yards before contact and carry. It's interesting to see 379 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: the young guys on here. Kenneth Walker, uh two point 380 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: five yards before contact. He's the best in the league. 381 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Breece Hall has done for the year, but he was 382 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: next at two point two, and then Travis e t 383 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: n really his first time getting a chance to play 384 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: after being injured during his rookie year, he's next at 385 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: two point one. I think that almost speaks to you know. 386 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: I think you can look at the offensive lines for 387 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: those teams and say, Okay, maybe yard before contact they're 388 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: giving them a little bit of a runway. I also 389 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: just think you're talking about three guys with tremendous burst bucks, 390 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: so they're able to on some of those outside runs, especially, 391 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: they're able to get some yards before they even see anybody. Yeah, 392 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of both. I think it's 393 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: a combination of the offensive line winning at the point 394 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: of a tag, moving people off the ball so there's 395 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: more space between the running back and the first initiative defender. 396 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: And also think is this class these running backs that 397 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about being able to slow to the line 398 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: of scrimmage exploding through the line of scrimmage once they 399 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: find increase. Kenneth Walker has been terrific. He's been terrific 400 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: and stepping in full time for Shock Penny. Think about 401 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: a success that he has. Reese Hall looked like one 402 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: of the best young running backs in football doing his 403 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: brief opportunity to play for the New York Chess, and 404 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: then Travis at the end has really come on like 405 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: gangbusters for the Jacksonville Jaguars. You're talking about the speed, 406 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: the pop, the explosive nous. He's displaying all of those things. 407 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: But a lot of his success has been tied to 408 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: I would say maybe the run ray runway that the 409 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Jaguars offensive line has given them. We talked about the 410 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: explosive nous of all of these backs. They all have 411 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: that big playability, but it's the ability to get to 412 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage clean that has enabled them to 413 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: go from good to great at their perspective position. Yeah, 414 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: I think with ETN give give Doug Peterson little credit 415 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: there as well with some of the design some of 416 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: those natural cutback runs to get him big creases. Interesting thing, 417 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: and we'll kind of wrap it up with this on 418 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the running backs. Fascinating to me at least. You know, 419 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: Bruce Hall is number two on this list. He gets hurt, 420 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: so you gotta go get it back. Well. Number three 421 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: on this list is Travis E. T N. Travis E. 422 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: T n s presence allowed the Jags to say, okay, 423 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: we can move on from James Robinson um and so 424 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: you have that trade between those two teams. So kind 425 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: of ties it all together in a nice bow. Uh 426 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: there with the running backs and an interesting discussion. I 427 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: thought that was kind of fascinating. I do think those 428 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: numbers mean a little something, so fund discussion. There anything 429 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: else you want to add before we, uh we wrap 430 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: that discussion up? Buck No, No, I think it is 431 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: a fascinating discussion. I think as we get closer to 432 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: the end of the season, you're seeing the running backs 433 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: come back the prominence. Look at the amount of teams 434 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: that I had his success running the football because of 435 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: Brandon's daily and Vic Fangio and the success that does 436 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: defensives had. People are parking those staties in the parking 437 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: lot and willing to die what we call the slow 438 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: death and ball. Oh, you can run for as much 439 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: as you you want. Well, now these offensive coordinates are like, 440 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: thank you very much, we will keep running. And what 441 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: it does is is allowing these running backs to re asmore, 442 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: to re emerge as key contributors on these offensive units 443 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: that are beginning to have success using the running game 444 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: as a primary move means of moving to football. I 445 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: think it's fascinating to you can say, oh, it's a 446 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: passing league gets a passing to look at the trade deadline, 447 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey gets traded. We talked about James Robinson, Jeff Wilson, 448 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: nhem Hines. Like for for a league that's passed obsessed, 449 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot of running backs that contending teams wanted to 450 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: go out and get and bring in. So that kind 451 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: of flies in the face of that theory. So fascinating 452 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: stuff there on the RBS. We're gonna we're gonna switch gears. 453 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the college pass rushers that we've 454 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: watched lately. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll come 455 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: back and give you a few names to keep an 456 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: eye on, and you should know as we head towards 457 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: the spring. NFL Plus is the league's new exclusive video 458 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: streaming subscription service. NFL Plus has your game day come 459 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: with live local and primetime regular season and post season 460 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: games right on your phone or tablet. NFL Plus is 461 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: available in the NFL app and at NFL dot Com. 462 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Subscription plans started just four ninety nine per month. Fans 463 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: can visit Plus dot NFL dot com and sign up 464 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: for a free trial of NFL Plus today. So there 465 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: is nothing like college football. We have a great football weekend. 466 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: But one of the things I like about this football 467 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: weekend there are some pass rushers that are going to 468 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: be available for us to watch. And so when you 469 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: think about the college pass rushers DJ we had a 470 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: discussion early in the week about how you can't necessarily 471 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: judge the production based on sacks you gotta look beyond that. 472 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these notable pass rushers that 473 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: teams that people should keep an eye on. Yeah, and look, 474 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them. And I'm just getting started 475 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: on this as well. So these are just a few 476 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: that I've watched over the last week. I thought we 477 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: could just jump in on real quick. Here Will Anderson 478 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the first one. You know, I thought he was the best, um, 479 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, the best in the business when I watched 480 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: him over the summer. I thought he would have been 481 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the first pick in last year's draft class. I know 482 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: the sack numbers are down a little bit, he's still productive, 483 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: but man, you go and watch the tape, and I 484 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: guess he's been getting some criticism. I haven't seen this, 485 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: but I guess, according to uh some of the stuff 486 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: I saw on social media looks like some of the 487 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: fans have been on him about, you know, not being 488 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: as dominant as he's been in the past. All I 489 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: know is games I watched. I watched a few games. Buck. 490 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: They he's getting doubled on darn near every single rep 491 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and he's still finding a way to get pressure. Um, 492 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: He's he's accounted for on every single play. He's the 493 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: balls coming out. As we talked about the other day, 494 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't really have any reservations. You're concerned on Will Anderson. 495 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: He's who we thought he was. Yeah, he absolutely To me, 496 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: he looks like a number one pick all day long. Uh, 497 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: prototypical size and dimension is great get off and I 498 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: think when we're looking at pass for it's just the 499 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: number one thing that you look at right out the gate. 500 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: How quickly do they get off? Snap count, anticipation, first 501 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: step quickness, He has all of this stuff. He finishes 502 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: last year. His ability to take the quarterbacks down after 503 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: down after down when he had those pass first opportunities, 504 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: to me, I think he's going to be special in 505 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: the league. We've talked about it. Somewhat at the top 506 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: of the board. Is going to be really excited to 507 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: get the dominant pass rush and that we're gonna talk 508 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: about for the next decade in the National Football League. 509 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: No doubt. Another one here. Clemson's Miles Murphy has gotten 510 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: a lot of love. His name has come has come 511 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: back to me from a bunch of dudes that are 512 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: rolling through there saying this dude is big time, big 513 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: time impressive guy. He's tall, he's long, he's got a 514 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: really really quick first step, explosive buck. Everything he does 515 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: is kind of based off that long arm, that inside 516 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: arm able to kind of widen and then walk guys 517 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: back with that big time and get off, and that's 518 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: his move. He's gotta he's gotta come up with something 519 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: else once he gets engaged. He's got to be a 520 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: little bit better at escaping and using that kind of 521 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: second move, that second pass rush move that we always 522 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: talk about, but in terms of just pure you know, 523 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: the size, the ability to get off the ball, and uh, 524 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: and effort as well. It plays with phenomenal effort to 525 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: run and chase is uh. You know, I don't want 526 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: to say he's top five, top ten, but he's I'm 527 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: saying it without saying, let's just it that way. Look, man, 528 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: you're saying a lot. And what I'm saying is he 529 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: reminds me of the sand Man, meaning he reminds me 530 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: of Mario Hunter Rivera in terms of you know what 531 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: the move is, you know it's coming, but you still 532 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: have a tough time dealing with the move. And so 533 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: we can talk about that long arment, how he uses 534 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: the long arm to set everything up. But it's a 535 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: great move and his challenge will be yes, he needs 536 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: to develop a compliment in the National Football League. But sometimes, man, 537 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: we've seen these pass rushers. You don't need a whole 538 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: host of moves three at the mats. If you get 539 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: at three moves, you have an opportunity to be a 540 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: dominant rusher. But that long arm that he uses to 541 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: set everything up gives him a chance to eventually become 542 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher. There are a few pass rushing 543 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: prospects that have that move down like he has it, 544 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, he's a fun player to study a 545 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: couple more here we can get too quickly. I know 546 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: Andre Carter at at Army somewhere you got a chance 547 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: to see up close over the off season. Yeah, absolutely 548 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: had a chance to go to Army in the spring, 549 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: did a little research, was doing a little stuff from 550 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: a high school team. But while I is there, you 551 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: just notice this guy that just doesn't look like everybody 552 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: else on campus. Andre Carter, who has really been a 553 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: fantastic prospector guy who has really come on over the 554 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: last two years and been one of the more disruptive 555 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: players at the point of attack. And when you look 556 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: at him, he just kind of like the same stuff 557 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: you're talking about with the other guys. To me is 558 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: motor first, hip, quickness, finished. He has all those things. 559 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: And so when you think about someone who plays hard 560 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: but who all says outstanding burst uh and quickness, he 561 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: has that and he's developed the ability to finish. He 562 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: is an all day sucker off the edge man. You 563 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: just don't see those kinds of guys playing against service academies. 564 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: But he's one of the reasons why you might have 565 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: to break the mover when we talked about those guys, 566 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: because to me, first round pick, he has a lot 567 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: of intriguing tools and talent to build around like six 568 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: six two or sixty plus pounds. Um, they stand him up, 569 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: he looks. He looks enormous when when they stand up 570 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: upon the edge when you're watching their tape. Now you 571 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: mentioned it, Buck, I think he's got some burst. He 572 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: played is really hard. There's some there's some stiffness and 573 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: some of the change of direction you know that shows up. 574 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't think he's an elite bender once he gets 575 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: to the top of the rush, but he plays really hard. 576 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: He's got some juice. Um, and there's a lot to 577 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: work with there. So he's a he's a phone one 578 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: to watch. I actually watched him, and then the last 579 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: one we'll talk about here and Will McDonald back to back. 580 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: Will McDonald's at Iowa State. He's lean. He's like six 581 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: four two d and thirty five, two hundred forty pounds 582 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: um again, long, big time athlete, but much like we 583 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: said with some of the Georgia guys last year, tight alignments. 584 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: I wish that you could see him play more like 585 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: we see Andre Carter. Get a chance, stand up, get 586 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: out there, get some space, get some runaway, as we'd 587 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: like to call it. I think some of those tight 588 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: alignments kind of negate what he does best, which is 589 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: just uses your speed and athleticism to get off the bowl. Yeah, 590 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: it's funny because when you do research on the Iowa 591 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: State program, you know this is a developmental program. They 592 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: do a really good job of taking unhoarded prospects and 593 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: developing them. And so when you talk about him being 594 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: two undred and thirty five pounds, you just wonder how 595 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: much better can he be? You think about the upside, 596 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: you thinking about the potential, you think about the frame, 597 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you think about having a couple of offseason in the 598 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: National Football League to fully put the body together to 599 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: go with the skill set. You like the skill set, 600 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: it certainly is intriguing. Now it's about slotting where he 601 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: fits and how soon do you need him to be 602 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: one of those A level pass rushers might take a minute, 603 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: but he certainly has the foundation to be a really 604 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: good play in the National Football League. He's one definitely 605 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: earmarked for myself here. I want to do a lot 606 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: more work on him. I did him a little bit, 607 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: watch a little bit last year, watch a few games 608 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: this year. But you know, I want to get more 609 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: comfortable with me because I think there's more there than 610 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: what we're seeing. I think there's a lot to work with. 611 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: And again, there's a whole host of other d lineman. 612 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: We'll get to all of them as we get towards 613 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: the spring. Just want to sprinkle a couple of them 614 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: in there for you. Um. As we're kind of wrapping 615 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: this episode up, I do want to let everybody know. 616 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably know by the time you're listening 617 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: to this, Bradley Chub just got his extension with the Dolphins. 618 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: You're gonna make those trades trade a future first round pick. 619 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: The contract needs to happen, needs to take place. They 620 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: knocked that out, so our buddy Chris Greer, nice job 621 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: getting that one done. So, uh, there you have. But 622 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed this one. It's been 623 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: a fun episode. Want to remind you the Move the 624 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: six content is everywhere. 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