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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Office jokes can kind of

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Speaker 1: and that's what ultimately is the goal in real life.

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Speaker 1: How are Kevin and Brian different? Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I don't spoiler alert, I don't talk quite the same way.

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Speaker 1: When finally Dwight gets married and then Michael shows up,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I started crying

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Speaker 1: without saying anything about me. I promise you this. You

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Speaker 1: were not the only one who cried. Hey, what up? Everyone?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of cheek Ease and Chill. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host cheek Ease, and we have a very exciting

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Speaker 1: episode in store for you today. The person we're speaking

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Speaker 1: with is a cast member of one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is someone I'm really looking forward to talking to.

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Speaker 1: It's none other than Brian bomb Gartner. You may know

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Speaker 1: him as Kevin Malone from the Emmy Award winning TV

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Speaker 1: sitcom The Office, or you might know him as the

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Speaker 1: host of his podcast Off the Beat. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: Brian thank you. How are you. I'm good, How are

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Speaker 1: you good? I'm glad to be here. Thank you. I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited. I cannot believe that I'm talking to you

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Speaker 1: right now. Thank you so much. I'm a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: fan of the Office. Honestly, I'm one of the later fans,

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Speaker 1: Like I started watching it, I want to say, like

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Speaker 1: about a year ago, and I'm like so into it,

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Speaker 1: and everyone asked me, who's your favorite character? Like It's

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Speaker 1: so hard because I love you all for like different reasons.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of wanted to talk about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: being a part of the Office, And do you think

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Speaker 1: I guess, um, we get asked that question a lot now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's the thing. We haven't filmed anything

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Speaker 1: now in about eight years, right, And for most of

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Speaker 1: and then this started several years ago. We're currently the

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Speaker 1: ship people talking about squid Game or succession or or

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, more people are watching The Office now

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Speaker 1: is why what happened? Like, why are more people watching it?

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Speaker 1: Why do we have new fit with fans like you

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Speaker 1: Cheekey's why are you finding it now? Well after when

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we have one producer who just says, well,

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Speaker 1: because it's funny, that's that's it. I think that's true.

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Speaker 1: But I think that really it's about especially during the

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Speaker 1: And so I think that The Office became a show

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Speaker 1: You know, could it be made today? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think there are things that might change. One of

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Speaker 1: I don't know, could it be made today? People are

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Speaker 1: Everyone's so sensitive now I feel, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: Because it makes it feels so good? Are you surprised, though?

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Speaker 1: so in real life. How are Kevin and Brian different?

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Speaker 1: Are they very different? Do you guys have any similarities

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Speaker 1: Are you married, Brian? I am? Yes. So that's a

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Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I don't know if I have

427
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Speaker 1: time to do it, and they're like, um, it's like

428
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Speaker 1: one episode a year, and he's like, oh, you're not

429
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Speaker 1: even offering me the lead, like imred teacher, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Like yeah, anyway, So I'm having a

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Speaker 1: blast doing that. I love podcasting because I feel like

432
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Speaker 1: you just I don't know, it's I don't have to

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00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: get like already and stuff. You know. Eventually I want

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00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: to get into like the visual part of it, like

435
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: some video, but for now I'm really enjoying It's it's

436
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: a form again, a therapy for me. Yeah, I love

437
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: the form. I mean, you know the thing I tell

438
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: people is if you just say late night television, right,

439
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: you think, oh, well, they talked to John Hamm last week. Yeah,

440
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: they talked to him for eight minutes with a commercial

441
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: break in the middle, Like they didn't really talk about anything.

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00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: They talked about whatever, project he has coming on right now,

443
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe one Madman joke and then you know we're onto

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Speaker 1: the next person. I think this form allows you to

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00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: have substitutive conversations and begin to have and find a

446
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Speaker 1: relationship with a person that that you can't sort of

447
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: get in that other form. So I'm really enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: I have a Q and A. Are you down to

449
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: do that with me right now? I'm down. Let's go.

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00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite character on the Office, Kevin Malone? That's right, yes, um.

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Speaker 1: I do think, however, in terms of just character that

452
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: Michael Scott is amazing. The character of Dwight True is

453
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: just the character everything about him. The dichotomy is within

454
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: himself that he's an anime loving trans am driving heavy

455
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: metal listening like chess pla. Nothing makes sense to it,

456
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: but I think it's see that's the thing I loved.

457
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Speaker 1: I love all of you guys. At different times, I

458
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: just I can't pinpoint one. I really really really can't

459
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: even like Todd Packer. Sometimes I was just like, oh

460
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Speaker 1: my god, I want to just choke him too, but

461
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: then he's freaking funny, so I'm like, I don't know,

462
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: I can't choose one. I mean, someone just came up

463
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: to me the other day on the street and was

464
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Speaker 1: talking about their favorite moment of the show, and I said,

465
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Speaker 1: what was it? And that's a crazy thing. I get

466
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Speaker 1: so many. But they were like, oh, when Todd Packer

467
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Speaker 1: makes the cupcakes and laced and you and Andy go

468
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: into that like trip scene. I'm like, oh, yeah, that

469
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: was so fun. Yeah, there are so many moments like that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, that's one of the times I

471
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I don't like this guy,

472
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: but I love him. It's you know, love and hate relationship. Um, okay,

473
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Speaker 1: So who's your favorite actor on the Oh I can't

474
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Speaker 1: answer that, but I will tell you this. I've said

475
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Speaker 1: it many times. The funniest person off screen is Oscar Nunias. Really,

476
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Speaker 1: Oscar nuns is the funniest. Oh my good news. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I love Oscar. I have a question. Actually, okay, So

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Speaker 1: Phillis I hear that she was was it she was

479
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Speaker 1: like she was trying to find castor what what's the

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Speaker 1: what's the deal with Phillis? She was a casting director. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she was the assistant casting director on the On the

482
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Speaker 1: Office and what happens oftentimes Alison Jones, who's a genius

483
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: and has cast basically every comedy that anyone who's listening

484
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Speaker 1: to has ever liked. Alison Jones the casting director, and

485
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Speaker 1: so a lot of times they're like, you know, talking

486
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Speaker 1: to the producers and doing stuff when people are reading.

487
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: And Phillis was the person who read with us, right, So, like,

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Speaker 1: imagine if I'm auditioning and I have a scene with

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Speaker 1: Angela or something, so She's reading Angela's lines off camera

490
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Speaker 1: while I'm auditioning for the role, and the director Ken

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Speaker 1: Kappas told stories they would have these long sessions and

492
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Speaker 1: so forth, and he found himself that he kept looking

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Speaker 1: over at Phillis and he's like, like, couldn't kind he

494
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: was like, to the detriment of like probably some of

495
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: the actors who auditioned, he just couldn't stop watching Phillis

496
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: and eventually went to Greg and was like, she has

497
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Speaker 1: to work here, And so that was how the character

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Speaker 1: of Phillis was created. That's crazy. Wow, Yeah, my boyfriend

499
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: was telling me that. I was like, I don't believe you.

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00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I swear as as Kevin. She was, and

501
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: not to like sell the podcast, but she and I

502
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: had a long conversation in which I learned all of

503
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: that is true, but more than that. When we started filming,

504
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: she felt self conscious because she wasn't an improviser, she

505
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: wasn't an actor, and she felt like she was behind him.

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Speaker 1: Was afraid she wasn't being good, and so she would

507
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: leave work and she went and picked up books on

508
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: improv and at night would read books on improv. As

509
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Speaker 1: we started shooting the show. Yeah, she told me that

510
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea, no idea, how cute is she?

511
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Speaker 1: And I thought she was so awesome. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I definitely thought she was an actor and she's freaking

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Speaker 1: like I wanted to always just hug her and have

514
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: her bake cookies for me, and I'm just like, she's

515
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that that's that's so great. So

516
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: she was like, I want to be great at this

517
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Speaker 1: and she was so The chili scene was a very

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Speaker 1: popular scene for Kevin. What's your favorite scene or episode?

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Speaker 1: I mean it really changes the series of episodes where

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Speaker 1: Kevin meets Holly in terms of of playing that. That

521
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: was really fun. That was really fun. Yeah, that was

522
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: a cool moment and how she thought you were special something. Yeah,

523
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Speaker 1: she would speak to me. I was like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: The one I loved was when you gave Michael was

525
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: looking for a girlfriend and you gave him Wendy's number

526
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: and it was Wendy's Wendy's the Fast. Oh my god, hilarious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love that. That. And also, oh, can you please

528
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Speaker 1: do it about the cats when you said, no, you're

529
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: not supposed to eat cats, Kevin, you can't eat cats.

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Speaker 1: You can't eat cats, Kevin. I loved it. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I have so many. Oh. And then the very last

532
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: one when finally Dwight gets married to Angela and then

533
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Michael shows up. I was like, oh my god. When

534
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Jim said, you know, I can't be your best man,

535
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: and like he comes and I was just like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god. I started crying. Beautiful, I promise you this,

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00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: without saying anything about me, I promise you this. You

538
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: were not the only one who cried. Oh oh my gosh,

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you did you cry. I'm not answering that. I'm just

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00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: letting you know for sure you aren't the only one. Dude.

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Speaker 1: I was bawling. I was like, this is perfect. I

542
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: just felt like it all just came together. And he

543
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't even talk much. He just stayed like behind and

544
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: let everyone else do their thing, and it was just

545
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: so beautiful. I was bawling. I've watched it like three

546
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: times already. I think I probably watched I mean, I

547
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: cry again. So what's something you think the audience got

548
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: wrong about Kevin? Well? I can tell you this. There

549
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: became a very popular Reddit chain which that Kevin was

550
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: secretly a genius and he was embezzling money from dunder

551
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Mifflin and that's how he got the bar. And they

552
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: go through and they talk about a bunch of examples

553
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: about his gambling and how he gets some money and

554
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, blah blah. I don't think that's right. Okay,

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00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: So that's a fan theory with all of the evidence

556
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: they have, I don't I don't think they're right about that.

557
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Now that we're talking about that there was some type

558
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: of serial killer, right, I forgot his name and they

559
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: thought it was Creed. Yes, I thought that maybe it

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00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: was Creed or something like that. Did we We never

561
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: got to the bottom of that, did we. No? But

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00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. Everything it's and not only every

563
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: like Q in a show where people are allowed to

564
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: ask questions. Not only do people always ask about the

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00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: scrant and the Strangler, that's the name. It's almost always

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Speaker 1: one of the first questions, which is who is the

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Scranton Strangler? And I think they're saying they're doing it

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: now to kind of mess with me. Let me tell

569
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Speaker 1: you this, for those of you who would have that

570
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: same question right now, I don't care, and nobody cares.

571
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is that getting Toby on jury

572
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: duty was an excuse to bring in the character of

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Speaker 1: Holly for Michael to fall in love with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's really what happened, and people are so obsessed with

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: and they're talking about it. Was it. Toby is a creed.

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00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: To my knowledge, that was never discussed ever in the

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Speaker 1: writer's room. So I guess whatever anybody else thinks is

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00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: what it is, because I don't have any better answer. Yeah,

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00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: created I love his little comments here and there. They're

580
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: just they're great. So what do you miss? Do you

581
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: miss anything about being on the show? Oh? I mean

582
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: I love the show. I mean I was a huge

583
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: fan of the show. I love that we ended it

584
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: when we did, because we ended it with a full

585
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: story told, meaning we shot this documentary and then it

586
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: eventually aired and we got to see what happened after

587
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: it aired. And you know, I think if we'd gone

588
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: on any longer, we were going to start losing more

589
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: and more people and the show wouldn't have been the same.

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00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm feel really fortunate about that. But I think,

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of what I missed most, it's

592
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: just spending time with those people. Do you think you'd

593
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: ever do another sitcom? Oh, if it was the right thing,

594
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: it would have to be the right thing with the

595
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: right character. Okay, So what's next? What's next for Brian? Uh?

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00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great question. I had filmed sort

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00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: of beginning or before early pandemic. I had a couple

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Speaker 1: of movies that came out fairly recently and that was

599
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I wrote this book, and I'm

600
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: doing the podcast and doing work here and there when

601
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: it comes up. I did the a new animated show

602
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: on Netflix, have a voice of a bear in that

603
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: trash truck. So I'm keeping busy and I am really

604
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: really happy. Good. That makes me happy that you're happy.

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00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Thank you good. And I'm honestly so grateful that I

606
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: was able to talk to you and I'm going to

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00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: go watch the Office right after this again. Um, and

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Speaker 1: just thank you so much, Brian. And yes, you guys

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00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: check out his podcast Off the Beat. I usually end

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00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: all of my podcasts with a motivational quote. Okay, perfect,

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00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: I need you to motivate me cheek, Yes, I got

612
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: you here, you guys go. All endings are also beginnings,

613
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: we just don't know it at the time. I'm one

614
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: to think that, like, don't get sad when something ends,

615
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: because there's something and giving you the chance, an opportunity

616
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: for something else to start in your life. So there

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Speaker 1: you have you, guys. Thank you so much. We're listening in.

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Speaker 1: Please share your social media, Brian. My social media everything

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Speaker 1: is b b Bomb Gardner at Instagram, at Twitter. I

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Speaker 1: have one TikTok video. I was like, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: on TikTok now, and I don't do it anywhere. It's

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00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: it's very time consuming TikTok or something else. During the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I was killing it on TikTok and then after I

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Speaker 1: just started getting busy again and I'm just like, f it,

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: I just can't to a walk all right, awesome, Well,

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Speaker 1: there you guys have it. Thank you, so much for

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Speaker 1: listening and tuning into another episode of Cheek, Ease and Chill.

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Speaker 1: This is an amazing what you guys. I love you

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Speaker 1: guys so much and this is a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Mike podcast Network. Follow us on Instagram

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