1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Do you think that the Office jokes can kind of 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: live in today's society. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. People are watching it, and that's what 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: ultimately is the goal in real life. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: How are Kevin and Brian different? 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't spoiler alert, I don't 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: talk in quite the same way. 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: When finally Dwight gets married and then Michael shows up, 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I started. 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Crying without saying anything about me. I promise you this 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: when you were not the only one who cried. 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Everyone? Welcome to another episode of Cheeky's 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: and Chill. I'm your host Cheeky's and we have a 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: very exciting episode in store for you today. The person 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: we're speaking with is a cast member of one of 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: my favorite shows ever. So let's not waste any more 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: time and let's jump right into it. This is Cheeky's 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: and Chill. Today's guest is someone I'm really looking forward 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: to talking to. It's none other than Brian Bombgartner. You 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: may know him as Kevin Malone from the Emmy Award 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: winning TV sitcom The Office, or you might know him 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: as the host of his podcast Off the Beat. Welcome 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: to the show. 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Brian, thank you, Cheeky's how are you? 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm good? 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: How are you good? I'm glad to be here. Thank you. 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I cannot believe that I'm talking to 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: you right now. Thank you so much. I'm a huge, 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: huge fan of the Office. Honestly, I'm one of the 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: later fans, Like I started watching it, I want to say, 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: like about a year ago, and I'm like so into it, 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: and everyone asked me, who's your favorite Charactermic? It's so 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: hard because I love you all for like different reasons. 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: But I kind of want to talk about that, you know, 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: being a part of the Office, And do you think 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: that the Office, like a lot of the jokes that 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: have been made, can kind of live in today's society. 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: I guess we get asked that question a lot now. 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean, look, here's the thing. We haven't filmed anything 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: now in about eight years, right, And for most of 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: the time we were on we were the number one 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: show on NBC, right, so we were good. But for us, 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: we never felt like we were like friends or something 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: like huge billboards and ads and the cover of Vogue 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: or whatever. That wasn't it. However, now seven eight years 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: and then this started several years ago. We're currently the 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: most watched show in television. So of all the new 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: show people talk about, squid Game or Succession or or whatever, 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: it is, more people are watching The Office now than 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: any other show in television. So part of what I 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: have been exploring over the last couple of years is 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: why what happened? 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Like? 54 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: Why are more people watching it? Why do we have 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: new fit fans like you Cheeky's why are you finding 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: it now? Well after when we ran? And I think 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: that the universality of the show. I mean, you know, 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: we have one producer who just says, well, because it's funny, 59 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 2: like that's it. I think that's true. But I think 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: that really it's about especially during the pandemic this time 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: when we were all sort of searching for a connection. 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: We couldn't go out the way that we used to 63 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: go out. We couldn't see our friends. If we had 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: family across the country, we couldn't see them. And so 65 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: I think that The Office became a show that people 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: started using to find a connection with people. You know, 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: could it be made today? I don't know. I think 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: there are things that might change. One of our producers, 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: Greg Daniels, who created the show says, you know, we 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: may make fun a little bit. We may have poked 71 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: more fun at the woke culture now than anything else. 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. Could it be made today? People are 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: watching it, and that's what ultimately is the goal, So 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. I tend to say yes, with maybe 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: some some joke exceptions. 76 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's hilarious, and like you said, I 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: just for me it was. Everyone's so sensitive now I feel, 78 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I get it to a certain extent, 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: but for me, it's like it's acting. It's supposed to 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: be fun. I don't know, it's just I want to 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: think that it could be made today, you know, and 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, maybe adjusting a few things. 83 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: But I think it's perfect the way it is, and 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: I really use it as a form of therapy. I 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: feel like when I'm watching The Office, I could watch 86 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 1: the same episode a thousand times and I don't get bored. 87 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I find something new every single time, 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: and it's an outlet for me, and it's a form 89 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: of therapy. And I could just sometimes even put it 90 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: on as background noise when I'm doing something and I 91 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: can almost finish everyone's lines like it makes me forget 92 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: about everything going on in the world, because, as we know, 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: it's been pretty tough since twenty twenty. So it's like, 94 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: that's what it's done for my heart and my mind. 95 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: And this is why I'm like, I guess, yeah, I'm new, 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know, I feel like, what 97 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: the heck? Why did I jump on the damn Badwogen 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: so late? Because it makes me feel so good? Are 99 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: you surprised, though? Are you surprised that so many people 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: like still love it? 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean one of the things that we've talked 102 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: about is, you know, we've got a lot of younger people. 103 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like I get stop by twelve, thirteen, 104 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: fourteen year olds, and when we made the show, we 105 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: weren't making it for that. I mean, it really was 106 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: about a staple of television is like the office comedy, right, 107 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, so people in offices, well, hopefully 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: they'll respond to the humor and watch it. But I 109 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: think that the young people was really surprising to me. 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: And then I've come to a discovery through conversations with 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: multiple people about this, which is that there's a correlation 112 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: between an unreasonable boss who makes his employees do unreasonable 113 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: things while sitting next to people that you don't choose 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: to sit next to year after year after year. There's 115 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: a close correlation between that and an unreasonable teacher who 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: makes their students do unreasonable things while sitting in a 117 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: classroom next to these people that you don't necessarily choose 118 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: to sit next to. And so I think that while thirteen, fourteen, 119 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: sixteen year old people don't have the office experience, they 120 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 2: do have an experience of being in a confined area 121 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: right with a bunch of other people with different personalities 122 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: that ultimately you have to form some sort of bondwidth 123 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: to get through day after day after day. And I 124 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: think to your point, that's one of the things that's 125 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: been really surprising to me, that not to put words 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: in your mouth, but essentially like it brings you comfort, 127 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: You put it on even if you're not watching, because 128 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: it makes you feel good in a way. And I 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: think that's the thing that people miss. Michael Scott may 130 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: say inappropriate things, non PC things, things you quote unquote 131 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: can't say today. Yeah, but it's always been confusing to 132 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: me because the overall message is he says something and 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: you have thirteen people looking at the camera or responding 134 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: in a way which is you can't say that, you 135 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: can't say that thing. So this has always been confusing 136 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: to me. To me, it's actually very progressive in that way. 137 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: It is telling you, in some ways or other what 138 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: you can and can't say. We had mandatory sexual harassment 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: seminars from NBC Universal, right, this huge conglomerate. So just 140 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: like if you were working in an office, we had 141 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: to get sexual harassment training once a year. We had 142 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: to sit in a room and sign in for their 143 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: corporate whatever. And this is not a joke, this is true. 144 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: In that seminar, the HR people that they would bring 145 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: in to teach these seminars would show clips from the 146 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: office showing what you couldn't do stuff in the workplace. 147 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: So we're all sitting there watching ourselves on TV, so 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: doing what we are told we can't do. Very weird thing. 149 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that the message of the show 150 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: is yeah, these are things you can't do or can't say. 151 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, Like I would see Pam's face 152 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: all the time and she'd look at the camera. She's 153 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: like uh, Like she's nod her head like, I just 154 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: can't believe you just said that, but it would make 155 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: it so freaking funny. And I'm just like guys like 156 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: I see it as again acting. But AnyWho, Now, let's 157 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: talk about Kevin So in real life. How are Kevin 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: and Brian different? Are they very different? Do you guys 159 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: have any similarities at all? 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't spoiler alert, I don't talk. 161 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: I don't talk in quite the same way, so that 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: would be a difference. I guess I talk a little faster. 163 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: Let's say this. The basketball episode was not edited. That 164 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: was me, So I guess I can shoot the rock. 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: Oh that we're similar at that? 166 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: Nice. 167 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: We shot a golf episode. I play a lot of golf, 168 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: so that's true. And I do like to bet on golf. 169 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: That is true as well. I like to play cards, 170 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: so maybe that's true as well. I know you you 171 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: know music, so don't don't be alarmed here. I do 172 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: not play the drums. Oh really, I do not play 173 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: the drums. But I'll tell you a funny story. I 174 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: fooled Alice Cooper, which might be my greatest claim to fame. 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: I showed up at a charity event for Alice Cooper, 176 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: we're on our way. There's like a big benefit concert 177 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: and they've got I mean, they've got tons of musicians 178 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: singing and playing instruments. And the guy goes, okay, so 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: just so you know, you know, it's concert and different 180 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: people will sing. But Alice thought it would be really fun. 181 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: The last song that he's going to play is Schools 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: Out for Summer, right, schools Out for So he's like, 183 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: all right, so when when we play that, we're gonna 184 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: invite you on stage to play the drums. Oh my gosh. 185 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, I don't want 186 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: to make mister Cooper mad, but that's a hard no, 187 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: Like I know, I know enough that I could not 188 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: uh fool my way through with a bunch of legendary 189 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: musicians playing the drums on that song. So yeah, I 190 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: turned into a little bad background singer. I did come 191 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: up and do some background singing, but yeah, no, I 192 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: do not play the drums. 193 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Okay, nice, Are you married, Brian? 194 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: I am, yes. So that's a difference because. 195 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: I know Kevin didn't have or he had girlfriends, right 196 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: he did. 197 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: We started with a fiance, yes, we started who left, 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: and then there was periodically a couple of other relationships. 199 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: But Brian's very much married and you've been married for 200 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: how long? Brian? Uh? 201 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: Eight years? 202 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Nice? Okay, So right after, like you finished with The Office. 203 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: No, I guess we were. I guess no we were. Oh, yes, 204 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: that's right, Yes, that's right, that's right. Together. No, no, 205 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: together together longer. That's why the math. I was like, no, 206 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: that didn't happen. Yes, but anyway, so what made. 207 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: You want to be on the show? Like, did you 208 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: want to audition for Kevin's role specifically or did you 209 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: just audition? How did that work? 210 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: No? I was aware there was a British version of 211 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: the show first, and there was a character in the 212 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: British version, his name was Keith that they kind of, 213 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, they kind of took that character. So most 214 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: of the characters in the Office were not taken. So 215 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: really Michael and Dwight and Jim and Pam and Ryan 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: and Kevin were really the only characters that had a 217 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: British counterpart that came over. So that's sort of where 218 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: it started. And I knew that they were looking for 219 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: unknown people. And at the time I had just moved 220 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: to Los Angeles, I had been doing theater around the country, 221 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: so I was I was not known, and so I 222 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: knew I knew that was a part I could play, 223 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: and I knew they were looking for unknown people, and 224 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: so no, I sought it out. I worked to get 225 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: an audition in a meeting, but ultimately, yeah, I just 226 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: I just auditioned. 227 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: Okay, And how did you prepare for the role of Kevin? 228 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: I mean I had been working, like I said, in 229 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: the theater and for me, voice, physicality, those were all 230 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: part of creating a character. I mean I had I 231 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: had gone to school, I had studied acting, and I 232 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: wasn't really a comedy guy per se. I mean I 233 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: did a lot of dramas and usually really bad bad guys. 234 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I can't see he was a bad guy. 235 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know that's what people say now 236 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: it's crazy, but yeah, I mean I certainly I had 237 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: done some comedy, but it wasn't like I was a 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: stand up guy or an improv guy working really just 239 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: in comedy. So for me, in terms of creating the role, yeah, 240 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: that was just what I saw. And then in working 241 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: with the writers, we kind of fine tuned him a 242 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: little bit. But yeah, the physicality and the voice, and 243 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: all of that was was for me about creating a character. 244 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: Nice. Were you one of the writers on the show? 245 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: No, I directed, but I wasn't a writer. The thing 246 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: I tell people, because there were a lot of If 247 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: you don't know, there were a lot of actors who 248 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: were writers on the Office. The way that you know 249 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: is if you were in the main room. The people 250 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: in the main room weren't writers because they mostly filmed 251 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 2: in the in the main room. So the people who 252 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: sat back by the breakroom and the annex, those were 253 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: the writers. So Mindy Kayling who played Kelly, and Paul 254 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Lieberstein who played Toby, and bj No Macerck played Ryan. Yeah, 255 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: they were all back there so they could be writing 256 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: and not filming as much. And that was because they 257 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: needed to write. 258 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: Yes, So there were times when I wanted to just 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: choke Ryan that I'm just like, he was hilarious. So 260 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: then Michael Scott leaves. I'm gonna be honest, Okay, when 261 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Michael Scott left, I was like, I don't know if 262 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: I want to watch anymore because it's like he was 263 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: so huge it co's not never going to be the same. 264 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: And I got into the show because of my boyfriend. 265 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: He's a huge office fan. I'm like huge, and I 266 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I was like I don't know. He's like, no, 267 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: you have to watch it. You have to watch. So 268 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: I watched it, and I fell in love all over again. 269 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: I felt like, oh my god, like everyone came together 270 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: and did such a wonderful job. Like it got to 271 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: a point where I didn't even miss Michael. But then 272 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: you watch it again, and we started it over again, 273 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is why I love it. 274 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, But how did you guys feel when Michael 275 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: said okay he had to go. 276 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was devastatingly hard. Yeah, it 277 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: was really hard. I mean because again, we were all 278 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: including Steve, the people who watched the show more recently. 279 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: Steve Carrell is big star, right, Like, I mean, you 280 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: watched the show. It's a Steve Carrell show. But you know, 281 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: at the time, nobody was famous, nobody was known. Forty 282 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: year old Virgin didn't come out until our second season, 283 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: and that's really when he went bonkers. So we all 284 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: kind of grew up together. And the show struggled in 285 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: the beginning in terms of getting fans, and so you know, 286 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: we all just sort of bonded together, so when he left, 287 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: it really was like one of the game is gone 288 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: and kind of the Papa is gone. And the thing 289 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: you have to know also is is that as much 290 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: of an amazing creation that Michael Scott is, Steve Carell 291 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: is a is a better guy than even that that creation. 292 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: So we were losing kind of an amazing character, not 293 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: just in our show, but in my opinion, in the 294 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: history of television. But we're also missing like our leader, 295 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: our friend who we had all kind of grown up 296 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: with in the industry. So it was really tough, I 297 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: think in terms of for us moving forward. He's talked 298 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: very publicly about why he left. I mean, he was 299 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: the central story for seven years, and he felt like 300 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: he wanted the character to have a journey from having 301 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: his family be the office to maturing and growing enough 302 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: as a human being to be able to have his 303 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: own family and someone that he fell in love with. 304 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: So that journey had happened, and after that he felt 305 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: like it was it was just time. It was time 306 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: for him to go. So we all felt like there 307 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: were parts of the other characters that now we just 308 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: had more time to tell. Once he was gone, and 309 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: so that was really what our focus became, was just 310 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: further exploring the other characters that were left. 311 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did amazing with it, because I really 312 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: thought it's going to be just way too different, you know. 313 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: And when I got around to watching it and I'm like, no, 314 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: everyone came together and did an amazing effing job, I 315 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: was like this, I loved it. I was like, Okay, 316 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: well Michael's not here, and I kind of just forgot 317 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: But I mean, I love him, and I think that 318 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Steve Carrell is just an amazing human being an actor. 319 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: But I was wondering about that because I was like, 320 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: I felt it. I cried. I was like when he left, 321 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what the heck is going on? But 322 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: I think that that's big of him too, of saying, 323 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes we do have to accept, like 324 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: this is good for this season of my life and 325 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: now I'm moving on to the next phase. And he 326 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: did it both for himself and the character, you know, 327 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: So I think it worked out fairly nicely. 328 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure it was difficult, but yeah, I mean, look, 329 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm not trying to undercut any of 330 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: that because that is the truth. But by the same token. 331 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 2: The fact that he was there producing or you know, 332 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: acting in almost thirty episodes a year after he became 333 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: kind of the largest comedy star on the planet after 334 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: forty year old Virgin in the movies that he did, 335 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: and the opportunities that he had, the fact that he 336 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: stayed around. You know, his contract was for seven years. 337 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: Everybody else over time extended their contracts. He lived out 338 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: his contract. He didn't leave. You know. That was the 339 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: thing is, he didn't really leave. He did his job. 340 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 2: He did it the whole time he was there. He 341 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: loved it. He's talked a lot about it. He and 342 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: I talked for my podcast about that transition for him. 343 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: But the fact that he stayed that long after what 344 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: he had become really like at the beginning of our 345 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: second season is also really just like a credit to 346 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: him as a human being that he didn't just say like, okay, guys, 347 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: I'm good now, thank you so much to go, you know, 348 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: do the next Ghostbusters or whatever. 349 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: No, he was a man of his word. He said, 350 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: this is my contract. I'm going to live it through. 351 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: And you know, he gave his best. I mean, I'm 352 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: sure it was a lot of work because he was 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: doing everything all at once. Are you guys still friends? 354 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, we just like everybody, right, 355 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean there's been time a lot of people don't 356 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: live in the same city anymore. People have kind of 357 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: moved around the country, and obviously the pandemic seeing but 358 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, I tell people, we have a group text 359 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: that we use fairly often, and then you know, some 360 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: of us get together. Oscar and I tomorrow morning are 361 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: going to Oklahoma City to do something together. So you know, 362 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: there's different things that happened, and. 363 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome till Oscar I said, Hi. 364 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: I will, I will. 365 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: He's like, who is that chick? But anyways, I love Oscar. 366 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: He's freaking awesome. Okay, so tell me life after the 367 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: office finish what three team? Correct? 368 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about right. 369 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you take some time off? 370 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I'll be honest, like, no one should 371 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: cry for any of us. But you know, most tell 372 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: well and especially now right, I mean most of the 373 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: shows you start watching are nine episodes or ten or 374 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: even the network television shows were twenty twenty two and 375 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: we were doing thirty. So I mean we were working 376 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: almost year round. 377 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: You know. 378 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: The other thing people don't realize is that it's twelve 379 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: to fourteen hours a day on set. I mean just 380 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of time, so that's sixty 381 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: seventy hours a week. There was just very little time 382 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: for anything else in addition to the other kind of 383 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: requirements that go along with doing the show, press and 384 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: so forth. So yeah, I think I took some time 385 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: and also became very strategic in terms of the types 386 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: of roles that I wanted to play. You know, I 387 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: wanted to be sure to make decisions to do different things, 388 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: and I started doing more in the film space, in 389 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: the drama television space, as I talked about before. So 390 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: and then, you know, really the last couple of years, 391 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: I've almost returned in a way because of the phenomenon 392 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: that the office became. I kind of became the historian 393 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: in a way. Myself and Ben Silverman, we wrote a 394 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: book you're now speaking to a New York Times bestselling author, 395 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to dunder Mifflin. If you haven't checked that out. 396 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: We put a bunch of never before seen photos in 397 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: there and kind of went back and retold the story 398 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: of the show and how it came to be, and 399 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: really quite Frankly, I think for fans like you that 400 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: found the show later to really try to go back 401 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: and say, like, yes, Steve Correll, he was not nobody 402 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: knew who Rain Wilson was, or Jenni Fisher or John Krasinski. 403 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, Jennif Fisher was about to quit the business 404 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: and move on to do something else when this happened. 405 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: So it was a lot about that. So I've really 406 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: enjoyed now after some time going back and and re 407 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: exploring it again, and I'm having a lot of fun. 408 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: So did your book come first and then your podcast? 409 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: The podcast came first. So I went back and talked 410 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: to my old friends and did a bunch of interviews 411 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: and ended up with over one hundred hours of interviews, wow, 412 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: from just office folks, and sort of took that and 413 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: photos and turned that into a book. And now I 414 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: enjoyed doing the podcast stuff so much. The sort of 415 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: new iteration it's called off the beat. 416 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about it. 417 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: So I'm going back and talking to other entertainers, people 418 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: in television, people in movies. We're going to talk to 419 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: people in music and people in sports eventually, but you know, 420 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: just wanting to tell the stories that have never been 421 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: heard before. So today's episode, John Hamm from mad Men 422 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: came out, talked to Eric stone Street from Modern Family 423 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: and Jimmie Lynn Siegler from The Sopranos, and you know 424 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: these stars from certain shows or entertainment. But I'm really 425 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: wanting to hear the story that we don't know. That's 426 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: the story. And I'm calling him those off the beat moments. 427 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: We all know those, you know, winning Emmy's or mad Men? 428 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: But how did John Hamm get the role of Don 429 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: Draper and mad Men? And I mean, here's a crazy story. 430 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. He was Ellie Kemper, Right, So Ellie Kemper, 431 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: who played Aaron Hannon in the Office and Unbreakable Keimy Schmidt. 432 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: John Hamm was her high school drama teacher. 433 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: No way, what the heck? 434 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: How crazy is that? How crazy is that? Yeah? 435 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: And so we discovered this on your podcast Off the Beat. 436 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then years later I say, well, do you 437 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: keep in touch with her? Like she's a high school student, 438 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: like do you you know? And he said, yeah, you know, 439 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: Off and on I remembered her. She you know, obviously 440 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: she was good and talented. And then years later when 441 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: she started Unbreakable Keimy Schmidt. They called John and said, 442 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: I want to play this role in this movie. So 443 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: it's like this weird the high school drama teacher. Yeah, 444 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: becomes the guest star. And he was making jokes like 445 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: he was like talking to me about coming and playing 446 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: this part, and he's like, well, I don't know if 447 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: I have time to do it, and they're like it's 448 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: like one episode a year, and he's like, oh, you're 449 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: not even offering me the lead, Like I'm a teacher 450 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: and now I'm gonna play Like what Yeah, anyway, So 451 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm having a blast doing that. 452 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: I love podcasting because I feel like you just I 453 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: don't know. It's I don't have to get like already 454 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: and stuff. 455 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: You know. 456 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: Eventually I want to get into like the visual part 457 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: of it, like some video, But for now, I'm really 458 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: enjoying it. It's a form of again, a therapy for me. 459 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the form. I mean, you know, the 460 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: thing I tell people is if you just say late 461 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: night television, right, you think, oh, well, they talked to 462 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: John Hamm last week. Yeah, they talked to him for 463 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: eight minutes with a commercial break in the middle, like 464 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: they didn't really talk about anything. They talked about whatever 465 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: project he has coming on right now, maybe one Madman joke, 466 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: and then you know, we're on to the next person. 467 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: I think this form allows you to have substantive conversations 468 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: and begin to have and find a relationship with a 469 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: person that you can't sort of get in that other form. 470 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: So I'm really enjoying it. 471 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: Have a Q and A. Are you down to do 472 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: that with me right now? 473 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm down. Let's go. 474 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite character on the Office, Kevin Malone, that's right, yes. 475 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: I do think, however, in terms of just character that 476 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: Michael Scott is amazing. The character of Dwight Truth is 477 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: just the character, everything about him, the dichotomies within himself, 478 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: that he's an anime loving transam driving heavy metal, listening 479 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: like chess playing, nothing makes sense to it. But I 480 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 2: think it's Genie. 481 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: See, that's the thing I loved. I love all of 482 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: you guys. At different times, I just I can't pinpoint one. 483 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: I really, really really can't even like Todd Packer. Sometimes 484 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I want to 485 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: just choke him too, But then he's freaking funny, so 486 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I can't choose one. 487 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: I mean, someone just came up to me the other 488 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: day on the street and was talking about their favorite 489 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: moment of the show, and I said, what was it? 490 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: And that's a crazy thing. I get so many, but 491 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, when Todd Packer makes the cupcakes 492 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, LAist and you and Andy go 493 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: into that like trip scene. I'm like, oh, yeah, that 494 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: was so much fun to so much. It was so fun. 495 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many moments like that. I love it. Yeah, 496 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: that's one of the times I was like, oh my god, 497 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't like this guy, but I love them. It's 498 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, I love and hate relationship. Okay, So who's 499 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: your favorite actor on the show. 500 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: Oh I can't answer that, but I will tell you this. 501 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: I've said it many times. The funniest person off screen 502 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: is Oscar Nunius. Really, Oscar Nunias is the funniest. 503 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my goodness, Okay, I love Oscar. I have 504 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: a question actually, Okay, So Phillis I hear that she 505 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: was was it she was a like she was trying 506 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: to find caster or what's the what's the deal with Phillis? 507 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: She was a casting director? Yeah, she was the assistant 508 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: casting director on the On the Office, and what happens 509 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: oftentimes Allison Jones, who's a genius and has cast basically 510 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: every comedy that anyone who's listening to has ever liked. 511 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: Alison Jones is the casting director and so a lot 512 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: of times they're like, you know, talking to the producers 513 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: and doing stuff when people are reading. And Phyllis was 514 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: the person who read with us, right, So like, imagine 515 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: if I'm auditioning, I have a scene with Angela or something, 516 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: so she's reading Angela's lines off camera while I'm auditioning 517 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: for the role, and the director Ken Kwappis told stories 518 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: they would have these long sessions and so forth, and 519 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: he found himself that he kept looking over at Phyllis 520 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: and he's like like, couldn't kind and he was like, 521 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: to the detriment of like probably some of the actors 522 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: who auditioned, he just couldn't stop watching Phyllis and eventually 523 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: went to Greg and was like, she has to work here, 524 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: And so that was how the character of Phyllis was created. 525 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. Wow. Yeah, my boyfriend was telling me that. 526 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't believe you. He's like, I swear, 527 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: ask Kevin. 528 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not to like sell the podcast. But she 529 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: and I had a long conversation in which I learned 530 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: all of that is true. But more than that, when 531 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: we started filming, she felt self conscious because she wasn't 532 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: an improviser, she wasn't an actor, and she felt like 533 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: she was behind and was afraid she wasn't being good, 534 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: and so she would leave work and she went and 535 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: picked up books on improv and at night would read 536 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: books on improv. As we started shooting the show, Yeah, 537 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: she told me that I had no idea, no idea. 538 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: How cute is she? And I thought she was so awesome. 539 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I genitally thought she was an actor 540 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: and she's freaking like I wanted to always just hug 541 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: her and have her bake cookies for me, and I'm 542 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: just like, she's I didn't even know that that's that's 543 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: so great. So she was like, I want to be 544 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: great at this, and she was. So the chili scene 545 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: was a very popular scene for Kevin. What's your favorite 546 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: scene or episode? 547 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it really changes the series of episodes where 548 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 2: Kevin meets Holly in terms of playing that. That was 549 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: really fun. That was really fun. 550 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a cool moment. And how she thought 551 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: you were special for something. Yeah, she would speak to me. 552 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. The one I loved 553 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: was when you gave Michael was looking for a girlfriend 554 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: and you gave him Wendy's number and it was Wendy's 555 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: Wendy's the fast. Oh my god, hilarious. 556 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. 557 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: That. And also, oh, can you please do it about 558 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: the cats when you said, no, you're not supposed to 559 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: eat cats, Kevin. 560 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: You can't eat cats. You can't eat cats, eat Kevin. 561 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: I loved it. Oh my god, I have so many. Oh. 562 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: And then the very last one when finally Dwight gets 563 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: married to Angela and then Michael shows up. I was like, 564 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: oh my god. When Jim said, you know, I can't 565 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: be your best man, and like he comes and I 566 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, I started crying. Beautiful. 567 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I promise you this, without saying anything about me, 568 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 2: I promise you this. You were not the only one 569 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: who cried. 570 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: Oh, oh my gosh, did you cry. 571 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: I'm not answering that. I'm just letting you know for sure. 572 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: You weren't the only one. 573 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: Dude. I was bawling. I was like, this is perfect. 574 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: I just felt like it all just came together and 575 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: he didn't even talk much. He just stayed like behind 576 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: and let everyone else do their thing, and it was 577 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: just so beautiful. I was bawling. I've watched it like 578 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: three times already. I think I probably watched I mean, 579 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I cry again. So what's something you think the audience 580 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: got wrong about Kevin? 581 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: Well? I can tell you this. There became a very 582 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: popular Reddit chain which was that Kevin was secretly a 583 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: genius and he was embezzling money from dunder Mifflin and 584 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: that's how he got the bar. And they go through 585 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: and they talk about a bunch of examples about his 586 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: gambling and how he gets the money and blah blah blah, 587 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: blah blah. I don't think that's right. Okay, So that's 588 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: a fan theory. With all of the evidence they have, 589 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they're right about that. 590 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: Now that we're talking about that there was some type 591 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: of serial killer, right, I forgot his name and they 592 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: thought it was Creed. Yes, I thought that maybe it 593 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: was Creed or something like that. Did we never got 594 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: to the bottom of that, did we? 595 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: No? But I'll tell you this. Every it's and not 596 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 2: only every like qu in a show where people are 597 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: allowed to ask questions, not only do people always ask 598 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: about the Scranton Strangler. That's the name. 599 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: There you go. 600 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: It's almost always one of the first questions, which is 601 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: who is the Scranton Strangler? And I think they're saying 602 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: that they're doing it now to kind of mess with me. 603 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, for those of you who 604 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: would have that same question right now, I don't care, 605 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: and nobody cares. And that's the thing is that getting 606 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: Toby on jury duty was an excuse to bring in 607 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: the character of Holly for Michael to fall in love with. 608 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's really what happened. And people are so 609 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: obsessed with and they're talking about it. 610 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: Is it? 611 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: Toby is a creed to my knowledge, that was never 612 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: discussed ever in the writer's room. So I guess whatever 613 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: anybody else thinks is what it is, because I don't 614 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: have any better answer. 615 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, created I love his little comments here and there. 616 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: They're just they're great. So what do you miss? Do 617 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: you miss anything about being on the show? 618 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: Oh? I mean I love the show. I mean I 619 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: was a huge fan of the show. I love that 620 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: we ended it when we did, because we ended it 621 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 2: with a full story told, meaning we shot this documentary 622 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: and then it eventually aired and we got to see 623 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: what happened after it aired. And you know, I think 624 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: if we'd gone on any longer, we were going to 625 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: start losing more and more people and the show wouldn't 626 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: have been the same. And so I feel really fortunate 627 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: about that. But I think, you know, in terms of 628 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: what I miss most, it's just spending time with those people. 629 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: Do you think you'd ever do another sitcom? 630 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: Oh, if it was the right thing. It would have 631 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: to be the right thing with the right character. 632 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so what's next? What's next for Brian? 633 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: Uh? You know, that's a great question. I filmed sort 634 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: of beginning or before early pandemic. I had a couple 635 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: of movies that came out fairly recently, and that was 636 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I wrote this book, and I'm 637 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: doing the podcast and doing work here and there when 638 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: it comes up. I did a new animated show on Netflix, 639 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: Have a Voice of a bear in that trash Truck. 640 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: So I'm keeping busy and I'm really really happy. 641 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: Good. That makes me happy that you're happy, Thank you 642 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: good and I'm honestly so grateful that I was able 643 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: to talk to you. And I'm going to go watch 644 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: The Office right after this again and just thank you 645 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: so much. Brian. And yes, you guys check out his 646 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: podcast Off the Beat. I usually end all of my 647 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: podcasts with a motivational quote. 648 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, I need you to motivate me Cheeky's. 649 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I got you here, you guys go. All endings 650 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: are also beginnings. We just don't know it at the time. 651 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: I one to think that, like, don't get sad when 652 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: something ends, because there's something in giving you the chance, 653 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity for something else to start in your life. 654 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: So there you have it, you guys, Thank you so much. 655 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: We're listening in. Please share your social media, Brian. 656 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: My social media everything is b b Bombgartner at Instagram, 657 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: at Twitter. I have one TikTok video. I was like, 658 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get on TikTok now, and I don't do 659 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 2: it anyway. 660 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: It's it's very time consuming. TikTok's are something else. During 661 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I was killing it on TikTok and then 662 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: after I just started getting busy again and I'm just 663 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: like f it I I just can't. It's a a 664 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: while work yea right awesome. Well, there you guys have it. 665 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening and tuning in to 666 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: another episode of Cheeky's and Chill. This is an amazing 667 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: word you guys. I love you guys so much. 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