WEBVTT - RHOC: Fancy Flops? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.960 It's not whether or not Heather Debro as a human 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.200 being is a flop. The question is was Heather Debro's 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:13.000 return right to this current season of the Real Housewives 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.600 of Orange County a flop. Stay tuned, we'll get into 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:28.840 my conversation right after these quick ads. Welcome to Reality 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.600 with the King. It's me Carlos King, the King of 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.920 Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:43.000 producers in reality television. With over ten years a production experience. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.000 I'm executive produced top rated programs such as eight seasons 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.320 of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Additionally, I have created 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:57.400 shows such as Netflix's Styling Hollywood Owns, number one rated 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.960 Love and Marriage Franchise, and TV one's Hollywood Divas, just 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.560 to name a few. Twice a week on Reality with 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.760 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:14.480 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:22.200 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. So 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:27.160 today's episode is going to be a doozy because we 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:32.560 are going to talk about a very interesting topic that 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.479 you guys have asked me on Twitter. And one thing 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.560 about me, you know that I'm all about answering questions 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.040 that you ask me within reason that I feel like 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.760 my listeners would want to get my point of view on. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.960 But I could not do this by myself. So we're 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.440 joined by my favorite guests so far. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:57.000 Stop us. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:04.720 She is the executive producer at Morsauce. She just so 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:11.120 happens to be the executive producer of Reality with the King, Yes, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.000 my podcast. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.440 Come on, girl, we're talking. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:20.519 About Jasmine Henley Brown that Hey Das Holls. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:21.920 Ago in Carlos. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.640 I like, it's so fun talking to you behind the 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.560 scenes and everything. But I am so excited to get 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.520 into this today. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.119 Yes, now listen, Me and Jazz have the key key. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.160 So if you have been a listener of the podcast, 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.920 you would know that. In my introduction, I said to 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.560 you that I've been approached to do a podcast for 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.400 so many years and the reason why I decided to 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.040 say yes to the mess honey, Yes, it's because when 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.040 I met Jazzmin, it was like, this is my homegirl 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.560 since middle school and not middle school. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:55.880 We have an age difference. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.920 You see what I love, Moddy, You see why I 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.080 stand because she is shady booze. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.959 Now look, honey, we may have a different age difference, 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.200 but the black on our face and cracking. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.519 So listen, just saying an age difference, and I'm much younger. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.480 I'm twenty three years old, so you know, getting a 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.600 little gen z up in here. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.720 Yes, yes, no, honey, I'm the grand Dome of reality TV. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:36.720 So but no, I could not find a more perfect 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.920 person to have this conversation with. So today's topic is, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.080 was Heather Debro's return on the Real Housewives of. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.760 Orange County a flop? So? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:53.840 Look, before Jazz and I answer that question, I want 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.800 to preface it with this. I'm not asking if Heather 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.720 Debre as a person is a flop, because this podcast 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.240 we're not mean. You know, we have funny throwchet, but 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.040 it's not mean spirited. So it's not whether or not 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.680 Heather Debro as a human being. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:11.240 As a flop. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:16.520 The question is, was Heather Debrell's return right to this 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.760 current season of the Real Housewives of Orange County a flop? 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.680 Yeah? And I'm with you on that. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.360 I don't think like I will never personally I've never 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.480 personally met Heather, But yeah, was she a flop on 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.000 the Real Housewives of Orange County? So much so that 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.680 I could not finish the season. That's how much it 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:40.840 flopp Piana, flop, Pianna, oh, the whole goddamn cast, but missed. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.480 They brought her back to be Look, they brought her 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.760 back to be that girl, and I feel like past 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.159 the first episode when we got that tour of her 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.600 mall aka her home. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.040 Not the mall of America, Listen, that's exactly what it 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:57.600 was given. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.000 I was looking for the Forst Cafe inside of her home, 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:03.680 the Ferris Well. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:04.680 I was looking for all of. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.200 That, but past that, I was so uninterested. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.800 I'm like, I'm. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.080 Personally just not a Heather Debreu fan like that. So 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.880 when I saw that they were bringing her back, I 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.880 was like, I'm not amused, I'm not moved, I'm not excited. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.920 I did want to see that house. I didn't want 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.400 to see that house. But Floppiana. That's my final answer. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:26.360 How about you? 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.880 Everything you said, sis, I have to co sign on 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:37.360 the dotted line initial in this box, laminated getting notarized. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.520 Sin filled and delivered. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.200 I'm yours. Let's come on, Stevie Weather. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.440 I agree that Heather Debre's return is a flop. And 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:52.440 what's so funny is I literally stopped watching this current 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.560 season of the Real Housewives of Orange County because it 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.800 just wasn't great. And let me explain to you why 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.640 I agree with everything Jasmine said. I was not a 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.760 huge Heather de bro fan. She was fine in the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.560 midst of an ensemble. When you are banking your return 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:12.840 on an individual. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:14.800 It's what Ebedy K. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.120 Williams called a force multiplier, right. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.600 Jazz Like, yep, exactly. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.640 I used to call it the Queen Bee of the show, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.240 the Nine Leaks is of the world that Vicki Galvins Sins, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.760 the Bethany Francos, you know, like the Teresa Judais like, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.200 you know, the force multipliers. Heather debro is not a 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.479 force multiplier. It's like being in a girl group. She 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.160 is a background singer, a. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.039 Very strong backup singer, right yeah, But she is not 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.919 the lead. She is not, cannot and will not ever be. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.360 The OC doesn't have a lead singer this season. They're 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.800 trying to give it to Shannon. But she's not a 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.440 force multiplier either. She's not the lead girl. You know, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.120 when I stopped watching this season that episode when the 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.880 and Gina went to New York and they were eating pizza, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.400 on the She's and I was like, as if, you know, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.960 talking to Ebony, like as if her and what's the same. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:10.760 Would ever be friends? 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:11.040 Yeah? 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.200 Whatever, be friends in real life Gina and Heather. None 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.400 of this is realistic. It's just not realistic. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.440 No, So jazz Man, I could not agree with you more. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.280 In real life, the likes of a Heather de Bro 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.560 would never be seen with Gina period now. And you 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.680 know how we know that's a fact. We saw Heather's 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.400 friends at the dinner party, yes, and they were just 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.120 as fancy as Heather. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.679 So miss me with this labor both from New York 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.960 like all of that. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.280 Girl bye, sweetie. Oprah and I are both from Milwaukee. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.640 She's not coming to my home helping me with my wardrobe. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.800 I would welcome it, like Oprah, You're one hundred percent welcome, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.360 like come make me over. Yeah, but it's just not 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.480 realistic at this point, at this point in my life, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.000 it's not realistic that I'll have a friend like Oprah. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.720 That's what Gina, Gina, Heather was giving me back, So 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.880 like two opposite ends of the spectrum for me. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.680 Oh no, absolutely, And listen, the problem is this, so 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:16.280 I like you Jazmine watched the first episode and I tweeted, 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.440 and y'all know, when I tweet something. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.440 It's I must believe in it. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.040 So I tweeted how much I enjoyed the first episode 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.840 because I thought it was a great introduction to the 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.320 cast and to Heather's return. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.920 And then when Gina spilled the tea. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:35.160 About Nicole having a boss job alleged boss job from 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.400 Terry that turned out to be something that was dismissed 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.319 or the lawsuit was dropped, I thought the whole thing 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.680 was fantastic. So I was like, Okay, maybe Heather's return 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.320 is going to be great. But Baby, after the second episode, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.560 it was dry boots, Like. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.840 Even when I try to go back to catch up, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.760 I'm just like, like, I'm gonna go watch I don't 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.240 know Public Broadcasting System Girl before I finish this. I 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.200 couldn't finish it. I couldn't because they're trying to make 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.200 too much happen. And I think, you know, with the 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.720 introduction of Noella, I don't like Noella as a housewife 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:14.880 me neither. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.040 She's trying. She's trying very very hard. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:23.320 Right, There's a difference between being thirsty and dehydrated and 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.680 on life support. So when you sign up to be 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.280 on a reality show, I Carlos King, I want you 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.840 to be thirsty. And when I say thirsty, sure that 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.560 means I want you to really want to do a 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.319 good job. I want you to like give your real life. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.920 That to me is thirsty. So I love thirsty. Dehydrated 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.160 is when you're doing the absolute most, but you have 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.560 redeeming qualities about yourself to where it's like, okay, girl, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.960 you're too bit excited to be on TV, but it's. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.239 All good when you are on life support. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:59.120 It's when you are so over the top you are 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:05.160 with them Charter, you aren't real. There is nothing real 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:10.160 about Noela, and no I think she's gorgeous. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:16.400 Beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns, gorgeous gowns like no so pretty, 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.880 like I would look at you. You can just if 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.960 they want to just have her, just give me a 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.400 static image of Noela. I would just literally want to 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:30.080 watch her. She's gorgeous, gorgeous, But a housewife gorgeous does 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.200 not a housewife make okay. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:32.720 Not at all. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.000 No, Listen, you gotta be more than gorgeous to be 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.960 a housewife, and you gotta be more than just like, oh, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.960 I'm gonna talk about everything like that's fine. But it's 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.560 hard for me to connect to Noela because I haven't 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.920 seen you with his husband who allegedly did these things 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.760 to you, so I can't connect with you. I'm not 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.200 seeing your child, so I can't connect with you being 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:55.679 a mom. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.080 All I see is you crying all day long. And 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:00.920 I met. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.320 You sis, so I feel bad for your situation. It's 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.080 hard for me to connect with you, which is why 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.839 it was hard for me to connect with Gina when 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.520 she first started, because it was like, first of all, girl, 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.760 your man's in LA and has an apartment there, but 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.920 he ain't on TV. I work on love and marriage 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.600 Huntspelle Enough said, if your man ain't coming home, he's 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.360 doing other things. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.439 Honey, listen, somebody else was up in that apartment, and 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.520 somebody else was. It later came out someone else one 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:30.360 percent was. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.439 And that's why it's hard for me to connect with Gina. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.000 You know what Gina like. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.840 The whole way that Gina's story line played out with 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.600 that situation, it made me feel like, and you can 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.800 answer this as an expert, it made me feel like 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.000 they were already on the outs, but she needed that 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.480 to be her storyline when they started recording. I think 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.160 the same thing happened with Noela. I feel like her 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.959 and her men were already done because she came off 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.400 just Toushan giving us the sex dungeon that was really 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.319 a sex closet, Like, girl, don't tell me you got 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.280 a sex dungeon down down to the OC and it's 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.360 a little broom closet with a cot in it and 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.800 a couple of a couple of whips and chains. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:12.920 Girl, that is not girl Amazon. Before production started, right. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.960 Right, that's what it was given me like. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.760 It made me feel like, no y'all were already on 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.760 the outs, but you needed a dramatic storyline when filming started, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.520 so you just ran with this. But that's why we 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.120 ain't never see that man. We didn't start seeing Gena's 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.559 man until I think this season was the first he 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.560 came to be with the kids. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.880 We never saw I think. So I want to say 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:33.880 I've seen this on a. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.319 Preview, not the overview, but the preview exactly exactly. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.920 That's that's when I think I seen him, I. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.600 Think, But yeah, it's given y'all were already broken up, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.320 and I had to. I knew I had to do 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.520 this reality show, and I need to be as dramatic 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.080 as possible, and so I wanted to just act like 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.080 this breakup was happening while filming what's happening? 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:58.560 But I know we're not. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.559 I could go on a deep dive about these ladies, 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.000 but I know we're talking about fancy fancy flop, not 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.600 fancy pants fancy flop. I know we're talking about her. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:15.440 Bob Damn Jazz, tell how you really feel, go ahead. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.760 Says but you know what, Heather is a level of 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.240 rich that I can only aspire to. So I will 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:21.840 give her that. I will give her. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.120 That, all that, all that. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.320 Listen, I enjoyed Heather in the midst of Tamra Vicky 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.320 Kelly Dodd, Megan King Edmunds. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:35.160 Like I enjoyed that, right MK, I enjoyed. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.040 When listen, when I'm casting for a reality show, a 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:47.040 Heather debro type which is stoic, rich, beautiful, family, successful, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.480 o CD type A. Those are all good qualities for 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.319 reality star, but you never put that quality into being 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.440 the queen bee because the purpose of the queen bee, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.360 aka the force multiplier, is that person has the strength 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.839 to rally the girls together. They have this mother quality, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.000 like how Kelly Michelle said Beyonce was the mother of 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.640 Destiny's child, like Beyond it was like, no, we gotta 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.920 rehearse girls, we gotta do that. Every reality show has that. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.440 OC did not have it. Heather Debro is not that girl. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.680 And as much as they tried to make Fetch happen, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.800 I wanted to burn the book of OC and just 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.400 throw this season in the trash can. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.480 That's where it belongs. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.840 It is a whole heap of just everything's I go 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.880 in the words Tamma said that shit so and I agree. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:45.400 I agree with her. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.080 It's just it's hard to watch like they, like I said, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.440 they don't have that queen Bee, that force multiplier. They 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.360 don't have that lead singer, and they desperately need one. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.920 Because I don't think that the OC is a lost cause. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.680 Like I was seeing people saying like they should just 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.120 can it. I don't think it's a lost cause. I 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.080 think they just need people in place that can really 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.720 do the job that you mentioned, you know what I mean? 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.240 Like now, I wouldn't say matriarch because I don't think 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.840 Niini was was like the mother. I think Niini had 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.360 this quality that everybody wanted to be close to her. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.160 So that's what was. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.000 Able to bring everybody together for you know, that particular franchise, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.320 because everybody wanted to be Nini's friends. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.080 But she no mother's going to open the door and 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.840 tell you, hey, Nini, you are good. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:29.720 You don't bitch. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.600 Your mother is not gonna say that. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.840 I mean, your father was raised on the other side 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:34.320 of the tracks. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:41.240 You would. We'll be right back. Have some quick ass. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.120 This is reality with the King. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:52.720 I love getting in the t from me. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:58.640 Okay, when I was the executive producer of Atlanta Housewives, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.640 Nimi League did not come back at the top of 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.800 season eight, And I remember a moment I was filming 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.840 season eight of Atlanta Housewives and I was talking to 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.960 my fellow producer and I said, something's off about this season, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.560 and I said, they don't have a queen be So 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.160 to your point, Nini is not the mother, but as 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.800 somebody who's worked on Atlanta Housewives and worked with Nini 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.720 when she was on for those years, Nini had this 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:31.960 presence where the ladies respected her so much, and to 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.080 your point, they did want to be friends with her 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.840 because Nini's a good time, and Nimi definitely knew how 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:45.520 to rally the troops in a way that she felt like, Okay, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.600 let's go now. If you were on Nini's bad side, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.120 then yes, the doorba gets slammed in your face at 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.160 the Intercontinental Hotel Honey in Atlanta, Georgia. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.720 So the OC needed that. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:03.720 And what's sad is that person was Vicky and even Tamra. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.960 And when you lose two force multipliers at the same 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:14.880 damn time and you replace them with one person who 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.040 isn't the most likable person in the world. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.960 Yes, yes, it's not gonna work. No, it's not. Would 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.520 I would argue with you. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.639 Vicky and Tamar aren't exactly likable either, right, Like I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.919 can A lot of people make those points of like 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.679 they like, Vicki is not a likable person. You know, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.119 people talk a lot of shit about Tamra. For what 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.480 it's worth, I one hundred percent enjoy watching Tamra on 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.240 TV and then being able to meet her. I'm like, oh, no, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:48.320 she's actually a very pleasant person. Right, But they did something, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.920 they had something like what Nini had, Like Vicki for sure, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.120 even when you can't stand her, even when she's yelling 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.120 at somebody about a damn family van. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.240 It's so funny, is so over the top, like she 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.000 is just so good. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.119 Like I'm I'm in the number of people that I 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.040 would pay money for a Vicky comeback on the OC 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.600 I would pay, I would. I would spend all the money. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.120 In my bank account not to pay per views. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.359 Yes, listen, yeah, you spend all this EP money on 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.480 seeing Vicky again. That's how important, that's how good she 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:24.119 was to me. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.040 I have to agree with you. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:31.760 I think the only way to salvage the Real Housewives 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.120 of Borge County you need Vicky and Tamra back. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.600 Yes, yeah, Tamra. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.719 Tamarra as well, because Tamra was so messy, Like Tamra 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.879 is the type of messy that I'm like, oh, bitch, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.600 you should not have but I'm so glass. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.840 Yes, remember she tried to get Gretchen like white girl wasted. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.000 Oh my gosh, MESSI oh my gosh. I feel like 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.240 she added some color to that, like, you know, one 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.400 the whole iconic did you go to Beth Lake? 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.560 Tamar is right. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.240 Let me tell you something. Tamra is the messy messenger. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.840 She's the bone collector. She's the villain at time, she's 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:20.960 the comedy relief. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:22.840 Tamra was really that girl. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:23.960 She she was. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.960 I feel like, you know, when we talk about well, no, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.520 I'm not gonna say that, I was gonna say I 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.840 feel like she isn't talked about enough, but she is. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.560 I feel like people give her just due. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.919 Like if you had an honorable mention for your greatest 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.720 housewives of all time, I would say Tamra should tamor 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.440 will deserve a spot on the honorable. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.919 And it's funny. My top ten greatest Housewife's list was definitely, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.320 you know, a difficult task in terms of like making 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.320 sure I got it right, and thankfully ninety eight percent 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.439 of the world agree with me, which is which is 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:57.320 which is good. 0:19:57.760 --> 0:19:59.160 I'm cool with that right. 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:05.720 But what people don't know is Tamra was definitely number 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.119 eleven on my list. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.720 That's great to know. I also want to people ninety 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.879 eight percent of people agreed with your top three. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:16.800 A lot of people were. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.679 Like Kim Danielle, No, those were those were the ones 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.399 that people were like, really that one too. But I 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.120 feel like people would do that because they just want 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.320 to hate Jaselle. But people, I feel like they were 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.320 genuinely confused, like Kim and Danielle like really bitch. But 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.439 I'll give you that. Definitely agree with your to. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:38.480 This is what it was. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.040 Though, too people those people who were like really bitch, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.160 My audience said, no, you have to listen to this 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.760 guy break it down. And once you listen to his 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.160 reason as to why these women are on the list, 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.560 on his top ten list, it all makes sense. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.040 Oh, let me ask you a question, going back to 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.199 the beautiful enriched Heatherdubro, who you know brought us here today. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.920 Where does she rank out of one hundred and thirty 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.960 nine housewives? For me, She's I'm gonna say one thirty seven. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.840 I was going to say one thirty eight. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.560 Listen, I'm gonna say there have there have been there 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.520 have been worse, my friend. 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.680 I guess thirty eight. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:44.439 Yeah, child, yes, and listen. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda, Linda, listen, listen, listen, listen. 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:52.320 Heather Debro should return next season only if Vickie, Tamra 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.399 Shannon are back. 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.000 Let me ask you this. So that's my opinion. That's 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:58.520 my opinion. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.000 Yeah, that's my opinion. 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:02.959 So let me ask you this jazz. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:08.880 Do you think the Real Housewives of Orange County, similar 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.360 to New York, should be split into two shows where 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.800 there's the Real Housewives of Orange County Legacy and then 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.840 a new crop of OC women for the franchise. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.320 It would depend on the reasoning for the split, because 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:25.960 with New York they split in and they said they 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:31.280 wanted to show this multicultural cast. There's not a multicultural 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.040 cast in the OLC. Let's be very clear about this 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:34.640 at all. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:36.600 Let's be very clear. 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.000 Like they got their first black housewife in Noela, you know, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.560