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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan

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Speaker 1: never told you a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome and Happy Women's International Day, International Women's Day.

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Speaker 2: That says it wrong, International Women's Day.

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Speaker 1: Annie, Yes, Happy International Women's Day to you as well.

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Speaker 2: And y'all, we are actually recording the day of just

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Speaker 2: to give you a time frame. Yes, this is March eighth,

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Speaker 2: four and yeah, this is very current affairs, so everything

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Speaker 2: in the last couple of years for sure. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's International Women's Day and what better day than to

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Speaker 2: talk about the declining birth rate? No, yeah, yes, that's

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Speaker 2: a hell of an introduction, right, yes, definitely, And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and put a content warning so we're

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Speaker 2: not necessarily talking about anything to a graphic, but there's

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Speaker 2: going to be a conversation about children and babies and

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Speaker 2: birthy and reproductive health. So there you go, and limited

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Speaker 2: rights of women and marginalized communities.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's have ce Wenesday.

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Speaker 2: That's how we do it. So I think we talked

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Speaker 2: about this actually this week. We always have these ideas

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Speaker 2: for our shows, and we oftentimes, especially me underestimate how

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Speaker 2: deep some of these topics run. I will say I

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Speaker 2: unless we get to really deep conversations, so I want

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Speaker 2: to edit all that. But yes, uh, this is a

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Speaker 2: little larger than what I had, which we were going

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Speaker 2: this specific topic was going to be a quick rundown

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Speaker 2: of the declining population and the people who have refused

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Speaker 2: to have more children as a form of protests to

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Speaker 2: the ill treatment and constant abuse that they've had to

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Speaker 2: suffer at the hands of the patriarchy and misogynists in

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Speaker 2: Asian countries specifically. But as per usual, while doing the research,

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Speaker 2: we found some connections, some disturbing connections all around the

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Speaker 2: world on how politicians and people in power i e.

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Speaker 2: Men in power and racists are trying to find against

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Speaker 2: people who can get pregnant and who are choosing not

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Speaker 2: to have children. So we've had several episodes talking about

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Speaker 2: different perspectives on choosing whether or not to have children.

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Speaker 2: People who are not physically able to have children and

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Speaker 2: for those who do have children, the good, the bad,

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Speaker 2: the difficulties, and the rewards. We've talked about the sexism, racism,

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Speaker 2: other violations that are part of the aftermath. Go back

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Speaker 2: to our recent episode on the Comstock Act. But today

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Speaker 2: we're not just talking about those who have decided to

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Speaker 2: a really minor part in this, but we thought it

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Speaker 2: was important to talk about it because the link is there,

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Speaker 2: the connections are there, and we need to have a

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Speaker 2: broader conversation about that and where we're going with this

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Speaker 2: According to recent reports and data, the number of people

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Speaker 2: this quote from visualcapitalist dot com titles charted the rapid

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Speaker 2: decline of global birth rates, which differentiates birth rate and

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Speaker 2: fertility rate so quote. Birth rates are commonly measured using

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Speaker 2: a metric called the crude birth rate or CBR, which

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Speaker 2: The measured decline in CBR is also a result of

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Speaker 2: plummeting fertility rates across the globe. Not to be confused

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Speaker 1: So with that, a research article that we found on

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Speaker 2: Right, and the information that was released in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen. According to the same Visualcapitalist dot com,

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Speaker 2: almost every single country in this data set has seen

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Speaker 2: So I feel like those numbers are askewed. And the

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Speaker 1: The Economists featured in an article in twenty two three

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Speaker 1: addressing the possible consequences of the declining birth rate. The

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Speaker 2: So of course, the reasons behind the lower birth rates

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Speaker 2: But according to the earlier article from UNFPA, quote, among

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Speaker 2: the main drivers of low fertility is the incompatibility between

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Speaker 2: professional career and family life. In times of women's massive

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Speaker 2: with persistent gender inequalities and housework divisions. For decades, societies

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually read an interesting article kind of relating

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Speaker 1: So there's this like really big explosion of single only children.

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Speaker 1: But that puts pressure on them because, at least in

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Speaker 1: get sicker, and so it's sort of causing this this

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Speaker 1: situations because they're the only child, which is right, A

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Speaker 1: Slightly more young people planned to have no children now

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Speaker 2: thought by twenty five we would have two children. I

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Speaker 2: how like because one of them will be alone of

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Speaker 2: also like the middle child syndrome, the fact that you

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Speaker 1: Well. According to a recent BBC article published this month,

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't know where North Korea comes into the

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Speaker 1: But housing isn't the only problem. The price for education

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Speaker 2: because they can't find women. I don't know, but I

436
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Speaker 2: said that and other texts like this. But it wasn't

437
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Speaker 2: until just recently that the politicians, and I mean like

438
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, that the politicians realize that maybe talking

439
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Speaker 2: to the citizens, specifically women or those who can give birth,

440
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Speaker 2: may be helpful. And yeah, in the past year they

441
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Speaker 2: have been going around the country talking to the younger generations.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, still no results as of yet that we have.

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Speaker 1: Seen or talked about.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any published saying that that's helping and

445
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: anybody's changing their minds, because most of them are not.

446
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: And China has been going through a similar decline. Of course,

447
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: the history of China and babies not good. Not good.

448
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty, the Chinese government implemented the one child policy,

449
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Speaker 2: which was so strict that women were into situations they

450
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Speaker 2: did not choose for themselves. According to an article written

451
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Speaker 2: for the Global Institute of Women's Leadership, a Chinese researcher wrote,

452
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: for thirty five years from nineteen eighty to twenty fifteen,

453
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Speaker 2: the Chinese government maintained a one child policy, subjecting millions

454
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Speaker 2: of women to force contraception, for sterilization, and forced abortion,

455
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Speaker 2: and there have been stories about the level of cruelty

456
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Speaker 2: the government would use in order to maintain that one

457
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Speaker 2: child policy, including killing, the killing of newborn infants, kidnapping

458
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Speaker 2: of women if they had were on their second or

459
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Speaker 2: more pregnancy, or even taking family members of the pregnant

460
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Speaker 2: person as hostages if that expectant person was in hiding,

461
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: so they went all out, and it was in twenty sixteen,

462
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Speaker 2: a year after they dropped the one child policy, the

463
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Speaker 2: government increased it to two and it now has risen

464
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Speaker 2: to a three child policy, allowing people to have up

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Speaker 2: to three children now right, But.

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Speaker 1: There are many who are so ch traumatized by the

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Speaker 1: past policies that they still live as if they are

468
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Speaker 1: still under those policies. Here's a quote from an article

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Speaker 1: from NPR. The policy permeates through Chinese society in other,

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Speaker 1: sometimes unexpected ways, because many prioritized having a son over

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Speaker 1: a daughter. Orphotages experienced a surge, and baby girls who

472
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Speaker 1: are abandoned or put up for adoption. Singles Day, China's

473
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: biggest online shopping holiday akin to Black Friday in the US,

474
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Speaker 1: is a recognition of the many bachelors who are unable

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Speaker 1: to find partners in a gender skewed society.

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Speaker 2: So that could be part of the reason. It could be,

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Speaker 2: But the understanding is also there's still kind of a

478
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Speaker 2: preference to men two boys, which doesn't make sense. Yeah,

479
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: and the greatest scream of things, But I digress. And

480
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: though they have changed the policy since then and now

481
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Speaker 2: seem to recognize that there may be a problem with

482
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Speaker 2: the fact that the population has declined. They have been

483
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Speaker 2: second largest. For the past few years, India has been

484
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Speaker 2: number one for the most populous, which seems to be

485
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Speaker 2: a blow to the nation's ego. That surprised me, how

486
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: figured that's what they wanted. But okay, but their new

487
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Speaker 2: policies hasn't changed the birthway.

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Speaker 1: Yes, adding on to the imbalance of gender in the population,

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Speaker 1: the cost of living in gender inequality has also affected

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Speaker 1: the numbers, much like South Korea. According to CNBC, as

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Speaker 1: more women attain higher qualifications and rise up the ranks

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Speaker 1: in the workplace, they expect their husbands to earn more

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Speaker 1: than them. In twenty twenty, female students accounted for almost

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Speaker 1: forty two percent of doctorate degree enrollment and a significantly

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Speaker 1: higher number of women enrolled for a master's degree than men.

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Speaker 1: Satista data showed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, so that means people have been

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Speaker 2: twosier when it comes to finding their man, to the

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Speaker 2: point that people have been throwing money people, governments and

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Speaker 2: corporations haven't thrown money at men to make them look

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Speaker 2: better for mating purposes. Like, I don't know how else

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Speaker 2: to say that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but it sounds so like documentary.

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Speaker 2: Nafety cut is this is where we're going at and

505
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: just as a reminder, but this still is the expectation

506
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: that women will take on all the household work and

507
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: that women have less rights and will be responsible for

508
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: this entirety of growth of populations essentially, and of course

509
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Speaker 2: add to that the rising costs of housing and supplies

510
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Speaker 2: as we talked about earlier, along with the increase of

511
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Speaker 2: children allowed per household, the government and even corporations have

512
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Speaker 2: tried to add incentives for people to have more children.

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Speaker 2: Trip dot Com has tried to help with the situation. Specifically,

514
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Speaker 2: according to that same CNBC article, trip dot com is

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Speaker 2: one Chinese company that takes pride in trying to encourage

516
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Speaker 2: more women to have children. In an organization where more

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Speaker 2: than half of its thirty thousand employees are women, the

518
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Speaker 2: online travel agency came up with its own solution to

519
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Speaker 2: encourage women in the company to have more children, and

520
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Speaker 2: a part of that instead of is offering subsidies to

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Speaker 2: help with the cost of freezing eggs, which actually kind

522
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Speaker 2: of smart to me, Yeah, because they do talk about

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Speaker 2: the fact that that time frame that women specifically use

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Speaker 2: to get their career and all that stabilized is that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess the critical time, but it's a

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Speaker 2: short time, so they can actually help them pause that process.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that will increase in the likelihood that they will

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Speaker 2: have children later on. They were talking about this and

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Speaker 2: they helped by giving this money, which ranges from fifteen

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to three hundred thousand dollars. Again, kind of

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Speaker 2: a smart idea. I might have done that, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: not now with the IVF stuff in the US. No,

533
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Speaker 2: but you know, like this is like to me, it's

534
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Speaker 2: one of the smart plans.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw a flyer once at my university. I was like,

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Speaker 1: we'll pay you this much money to freeze your eggs.

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Speaker 1: And I thought about it, but then I was like,

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Speaker 1: why I.

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Speaker 2: Had people who said they want my eggs.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they would pay you for your eggs?

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Speaker 2: Really, you know, you know you didn't get those the only.

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Speaker 1: One I mean, I saw a flyer. I don't recall an.

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Speaker 2: I got an email like okay, okay, Like I was

546
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: like what and I thought about it for a split seconds,

547
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: not gonna lie, like, but they wanted white babies, so

548
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: didn't help.

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Speaker 1: Well, the government has tried a few tactics as well.

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Speaker 1: Going back to China. According to Time Quote, Chinese government

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Speaker 1: also tried to introduce new policies to encourage couples to

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Speaker 1: have more children, enhance childcare, and improve housing facilities for

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Speaker 1: families with children. Recently, some academics have even proposed taxing

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Speaker 1: couples for having too few children while making access to

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Speaker 1: abortion and divorce harder. M and yeah pay attention to

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Speaker 1: that last part, limiting access to divorce and abortions right.

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Speaker 2: So. The Japanese birth rate has also been greatly declining,

558
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Speaker 2: very similar to South Korea. Many have chosen not to

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Speaker 2: have children due to the inequality and gender rights and opportunities,

560
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Speaker 2: as well as the overall financial burden of having a family.

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Speaker 1: According to financialpolicy dot com quote, today Japanese women on

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Speaker 1: average have just one point twenty six children, far below

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Speaker 1: the rate of two point one children per woman, considered

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Speaker 1: by demographers as necessary to maintain a stable population. Up

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Speaker 1: to forty percent of adult Japanese women and fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of men will not have children in their lifetime according

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Speaker 1: to government estimates.

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Speaker 2: And again, much like South Korea, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: reasons boiled down to the cost of living, cost of

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Speaker 2: education for children, and according to the same foreign policy

571
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Speaker 2: dot Com article, the cost for childcare alone in Japan

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Speaker 2: for two children is about half the earnings of a

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Speaker 2: couple who have full time incomes, and the wages have

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Speaker 2: barely been raised in the past thirty years, so significant amount.

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Speaker 2: And just the overall lack of interest in being married,

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Speaker 2: although that could also have something to do with the affordability.

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Speaker 2: So here's another quote from Foreign policy dot Com. It's

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Speaker 2: not just the desire to have children that's diminished. Surveys

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Speaker 2: point to waning interest in relationships and sex, especially among

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Speaker 2: young people. For Haruku Sakamato, a researcher at the Department

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Speaker 2: of Global Health Policies at the University of Tokyo, this

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Speaker 2: too is an economic story. Young people, she explained, simply

583
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Speaker 2: do not earn enough to plan for the long term,

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Speaker 2: making stable relationships seem far fetched. She says, while in

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Speaker 2: the past people have explained Japan's low sex and relationship

586
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Speaker 2: culture as steaming from interest in anime and fictional characters

587
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Speaker 2: that supplant interest in real life relationships, is actually an

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Speaker 2: economic issue. I just really like that they blame the

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Speaker 2: anime on this. So and the article continues. Michika uit

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Speaker 2: A Balmer, a political scientist at Syracuse University in the

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Speaker 2: US who studies social isolation among Japanese youth, said, many

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Speaker 2: young Japanese women would like to get buried, but they

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Speaker 2: simply cannot afford it. Survey data shows that young people

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Speaker 2: don't have the financial stability necessarity build themselves as a

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Speaker 2: viable partner. The result is that people don't get married.

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Speaker 2: And because Japan has the lowest rate of children born

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Speaker 2: outside of marriage among developed countries, this also means they

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Speaker 2: are unlikely to have children. So in twenty thirteen, they

599
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Speaker 2: had what was considered women nomics policies, which quote promised

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Speaker 2: to integrate women into the workforce and propel them to

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Speaker 2: hire paying jobs. But the policy hasn't solved women's economic problems. So,

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Speaker 2: like many other nations, women were not only responsible for

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Speaker 2: the house, home, and children, but they also took on

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Speaker 2: the financial responsibility abortion as well.

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Speaker 1: Here's another quote in the Age of Women Nomics, Japanese

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00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: women are caught in a double bind. High living costs

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Speaker 1: mean they are no longer expected to stop working once

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Speaker 1: they have children, Yet because they still bear the brunt

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Speaker 1: of domestic work. Even Japan's generous parental leap benefits, which

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Speaker 1: few men choose to take, are not enough to insulate

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Speaker 1: women from the pressure to drop out of the labor

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Speaker 1: force after having children. Even highly educated women who leave

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Speaker 1: the labor force after having children struggle to eventually reintegrate

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Speaker 1: back into it. Some fear that in case of divorce

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Speaker 1: they'll be unable to stay afloat financially, in part because

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Speaker 1: of the stark gender pay gap.

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Speaker 2: So the Japanese government has followed suit with many of

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Speaker 2: the East Asian countries. Late twenty twenty three, the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister announced and estimated twenty two billion dollars to childcare

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Speaker 2: spending in order to help the birth rate, and he

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Speaker 2: plans to increase subsidized housing for families with children and

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Speaker 2: flexible work hours. Of course, as we've seen, money may

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Speaker 2: not be the answer to all the problems. But hey,

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Speaker 2: I guess he's trying, I will say, and we're going

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00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: to talk about this in the sec better than what

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Speaker 2: the US is doing.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: And though we just used again these three countries for

629
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Speaker 2: the examples, the steady decline of birthrate has been seen

630
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Speaker 2: throughout the world. Taiwan has spent over three billion dollars

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Speaker 2: trying to encourage people to have more children, including more

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Speaker 2: parental leave and large increases in salary and in fact,

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Speaker 2: one presidential candidate offered a free bet if they have

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Speaker 2: a child. I'm not gonna lie. That could have worked

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Speaker 2: on me too.

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Speaker 1: Then you have to pay for the pet.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I don't know that he added

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Speaker 2: money to that, but I was like, well, that's an

639
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Speaker 2: interesting time.

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Speaker 1: I've got to pay for the kid in the pet.

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Speaker 1: And according to the Vox article titles, you can't even

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: pay people to have more kids quote. Other countries have

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Speaker 1: tried direct payments to parents. Russia began offering a one

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00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: time some of about seven thousand dollars to families with

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Speaker 1: more than two kids, while Italy and Greece have experimented

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Speaker 1: with per child baby bonuses. In twenty nineteen, Hungary introduced

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Speaker 1: a loan of about thirty thousand dollars to newlyweds if

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Speaker 1: they have three children, the loan is forgiven.

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Speaker 2: I actually saw something. I think it's Sweden. Y'all correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong that literally are trying to bring

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Speaker 2: people in with children, Oh wow, twoth and they'll they'll

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Speaker 2: give you and then you have to live there for

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Speaker 2: ten years and they'll give you money and incentives.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend that moved to Sweden. I should

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Speaker 1: to ask her, what's okay?

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Speaker 2: I think Sweden. It's one of the s European countries.

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Speaker 2: So y'all tell me Switzerland, Sweden?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: And yes, again, declining birthrate includes the US, so we

661
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Speaker 2: said this earlier. The US, the birth rate of the

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Speaker 2: population is declining. Here's a quote from that same Fox article,

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Speaker 2: which is mentioned in the US, the birthrate has been

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Speaker 2: falling since the Great Recession, dropping almost twenty three percent

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Speaker 2: between twenty seven and twenty twenty two. Today, the average

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Speaker 2: American woman has about one point six children, down down

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Speaker 2: from three in nineteen fifty and significantly below the replacement

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Speaker 2: rate of two point one children needed to sustain a

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Speaker 2: stable population.

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Speaker 1: And as we mentioned previously, many people have decided to

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Speaker 1: wait to have children. And though the birth rate has

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Speaker 1: declined overall, the birth rate for people thirty five to

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Speaker 1: thirty nine has actually increased. According to Census dot Gov.

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Speaker 1: In the thirty year period, it has increased by sixty

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Speaker 1: seven percent. Here's a bit from cnn dot Com from

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Speaker 1: the article titled fertility rates dip People are having babies

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Speaker 1: later the stage of birth rates in the US. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Birth rates have declined in most states across the US

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Speaker 1: in recent years, while women are having babies at an

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Speaker 1: older age. According to new data released by the US

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Speaker 1: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and it continues, birth

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Speaker 1: rates among women in their late thirties and early forties

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Speaker 1: rose in the last decade, and the birth rate among

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Speaker 1: women over forty five also exceeded one birth per one

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Speaker 1: thousand population for the first time in more than a decade. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the teen birth rate dropped to a record blow. In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, there were thirteen point five burths for

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Speaker 1: every one thy teens ages fifteen to nineteen, down from

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Speaker 1: thirteen point nine in twenty twenty one. According to the

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Speaker 1: new CDC data.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen then, yeah, those numbers are so high, and I

692
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Speaker 2: feel like they are purposeful, especially now. And though there

693
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Speaker 2: was a small increase during the initial pandemic and lockdown,

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Speaker 2: nothing shows any actual signs of the race on the

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Speaker 2: on the incline. Here's a quote from the scene an article.

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Speaker 2: Despite the short term plunge and comeback during the early

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Speaker 2: years of the COVID pandemic, the race have been consistently

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Speaker 2: trending down. Nearly three point seven million babies were born

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. According to the CDC analysis of

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Speaker 2: birth certificates, the overall fertility rate was fifty six point

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Speaker 2: one births per one thousand women ages fifteen to four

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Speaker 2: twenty four, holding relatively steady from the rate of fifty

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Speaker 2: six point three in twenty twenty one. After a sharp

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Speaker 2: drop in twenty twenty, birth rates rose in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: the first increase since twenty fourteen, but the numbers still

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Speaker 2: reflect the declines that began before the pandemic. Okay, of course,

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Speaker 2: unlike the other countries, US hasn't been publicly talking about

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Speaker 2: the population decline or even talking about policy changes directly

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Speaker 2: related to having more children, such as giving money to

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Speaker 2: parents directly helping childcare costs, or the such. Although they

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Speaker 2: did alter some tax deductions for children, they made higher

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Speaker 2: tax deductions and gave a little more incentive, but I

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Speaker 2: definitely did not seem as it was about population control

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Speaker 2: or population increase. But much like how we mentioned, China

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Speaker 2: has been doing more restricted when it comes to abortion

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Speaker 2: access and divorce. The US has implemented the same practices,

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Speaker 2: but using alternative languages for it. So during campaign runs

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Speaker 2: for the Republican Party, a couple of significant figures may

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Speaker 2: have said the quiet part out loud. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: Nebraska Republican state senator used an old racist theory to

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Speaker 2: argue for the ban on abortion. According to New republic

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Speaker 2: dot com quote, Senator Steve Erdman decided that the best

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Speaker 2: argument in favor of the ban was quote the Great

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Speaker 2: Replacement theory, which the Southern Poverty Law Center defines as

725
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Speaker 2: quote racist conspiracy narrative that falsely asserts there's an active,

726
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Speaker 2: ongoing and covert effort to replace white populations in current

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Speaker 2: white majority countries. Our state populations have not grown except

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Speaker 2: by those foreigners who've moved here or refugees who've been

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Speaker 2: placed here, Erman told the chamber, and it continues. Erman

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Speaker 2: also says that all of the aborted fetuses could be

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Speaker 2: working and filling some of those positions that we have

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Speaker 2: vacancies in response to jobs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So before we continue, so here's a look about

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Speaker 2: the Here's a quick look at the Great Replacement theory

736
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Speaker 2: from a PREBIS article simply put the conspiracy theory says

737
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Speaker 2: there's a plot to diminish the influence of white people.

738
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Speaker 2: Believers say this goal is being achieved both through the

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Speaker 2: immigration of non white people into societies that have largely

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Speaker 2: been dominated by white people, as well as through simple demographics,

741
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Speaker 2: with white people having lower birth rates than other populations.

742
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Speaker 1: And how does all of that equal to combating of

743
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Speaker 1: the declining birth rate. Here's some more from Senator Erdmann.

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Speaker 1: According to Vice dot com, our state population has not

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Speaker 1: grown except by those foreigners who have moved. Here are

746
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Speaker 1: refugees who have been placed here. Why is that? It's

747
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Speaker 1: because we've killed two hundred thousand people. These are people

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Speaker 1: we've killed. Erdmann said during debate after lamenting that if

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Speaker 1: abortion had been illegal, that would have resulted to more

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Speaker 1: people who could be working and feeling some of those

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Speaker 1: positions that we have vacancy.

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Speaker 2: And he's not the only one to say these things

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Speaker 2: out loud. Seapack Republican leader also made a point to

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Speaker 2: use the same rhetoric. He said, if you say there's

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Speaker 2: a population problem in the country, but you're killing millions

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Speaker 2: of your own people through legalize the abortion every year,

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Speaker 2: if that were to produce some of that problem is solved.

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Speaker 2: A Schlap said, you have millions of people who can

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Speaker 2: take many of these jobs. How come no one brings

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Speaker 2: that up. If you're worried about this quote unquote replacement,

761
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Speaker 2: why don't we start there, start with allowing our own

762
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Speaker 2: people to live. And again he's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: The Ohio representative says something similar as well. This narrative

764
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Speaker 2: has been around for a very long time. As in fact,

765
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Speaker 2: it's actually been around also targeting the Jewish community as well.

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Speaker 2: But this has been a constant rhetoric. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about our episod so is when it

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Speaker 2: comes to tradwives, our episodes, when it comes to the

769
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Speaker 2: Red Pill, our episodes, when it comes to religious trauma.

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Speaker 2: They're all linked in this same conversation with this white

771
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Speaker 2: supremacist rhetoric that we have to bring more white people

772
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Speaker 2: in to bring in power, that they've lost power, so

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Speaker 2: therefore they need to have babies, and that abortion ban

774
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: is the key. Unfortunately, these tactics have worked enough to

775
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: sway what is happening within the US, but politics alone

776
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: is not what is controlling this narrative. So are the corporations.

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Speaker 2: The economic threat of a population's decline has become clear

778
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Speaker 2: to many experts around the world, but not all corporations

779
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: have come to this same understanding at this point. Like

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Speaker 2: we said, Trip dot Com and Japan has kind of

781
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: figured it out. They're like, Okay, we need to help

782
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Speaker 2: with this. There's other companies that have been adding to that.

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Speaker 2: We know some of the companies here in the US,

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Speaker 2: and usually the smaller companies that'll been like, we'll give

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Speaker 2: you a longer, maternitically better MATERI we have free childcare here.

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Speaker 2: But not everybody Amazon Prime example, could care less.

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Speaker 1: It was an accidental fun I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't even know. A lot of the corporations are seeking

789
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Speaker 2: to strip even more rights from their employees, many encouraging

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Speaker 2: discrimination for those who become pregnant, and in fact, recently

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Speaker 2: federal courts ruled that the Quote Pregnancy Workfairness Act was

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Speaker 2: unenforceable against the state government and it's in its agency

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Speaker 2: which This act protects accommodations for pregnant employees in the

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Speaker 2: workplace and allows workers to sue employers for failing to

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Speaker 2: do so. It prohibited employers from denying employment opportunities or

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Speaker 2: forcing pregnant workers to go on leave if alternative accommodations

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Speaker 2: were possible. And this is from the Texas Tribune dot org,

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Speaker 2: which is where all of this was coming out from.

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Speaker 2: So that is significant to know that that was on

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Speaker 2: a federal appeal. And it's very scary because not only

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Speaker 2: are we being told you have to be pregnant if

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Speaker 2: you were to conceive, if you were to get pregnant,

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Speaker 2: do you have to remain pregnant and go and give birth,

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Speaker 2: but that you have no rights and they're not going

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Speaker 2: to help you. We've talked there are several articles that

806
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Speaker 2: we talked about within the great Replacement theory, and these

807
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Speaker 2: senators who literally kept saying, oh, social Security will help,

808
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Speaker 2: which we know is dwind linked very quickly and it

809
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Speaker 2: is pretty much non existent for any of us who

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Speaker 2: want to retire at this point. I believe the boomers

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Speaker 2: are the last to be able to really get anything

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Speaker 2: from the Social Security Administration. There's so much that we

813
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Speaker 2: have to look at when we talk about this, because

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Speaker 2: there it goes hand in hand when we talk about

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Speaker 2: the declining of birth birth rates, and as we're again

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Speaker 2: we're looking at other countries. We're looking at European countries

817
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Speaker 2: who have a little better incentives and that kind of

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Speaker 2: are willing to pay a lot more and it's costly,

819
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Speaker 2: as men will say, to make it better. There's many

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Speaker 2: who won't do that here in the US, and in fact,

821
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Speaker 2: again they're doing the opposite by kind of leaning towards

822
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Speaker 2: China's policies, which is really funny and ironic right now

823
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: to me, with trying to force a population boom, and

824
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: it's working, and it's working, and that's what's scary. But

825
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: again this seems to be have your cake and eat

826
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Speaker 2: it to situation for both the politicians and corporations. And

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Speaker 2: I will say some activists in the US have talked

828
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Speaker 2: about similar tactics to those in other countries. I know

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Speaker 2: there's like the sex strike. During one point that was

830
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Speaker 2: in talks talking about not having children, talking about not

831
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Speaker 2: getting married, talking about remaining single, which you know, I

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Speaker 2: get it. But with what is happening, and as rights

833
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Speaker 2: continue to be stripped, it will be likely that the

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Speaker 2: decline will only continue because people are fed up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have at least two friends who have pretty

836
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Speaker 1: much said the shop is closed, like they're just and

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Speaker 1: it breaks my heart because like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: have sex, if you want to have kids. It shouldn't be,

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Speaker 1: but they've been like, as long as this what is

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Speaker 1: this is the situation, I'm not gonna do it, which

841
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: feels very upset. It's very upsetting, but it also feels

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Speaker 1: kind of funny because I don't think that's what they

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Speaker 1: wanted the outcome to right of these things, but that's

844
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Speaker 1: what I've heard from multiple people. It's like, Okay, right, cool.

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Speaker 2: I will be interested to see what happens in the

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Speaker 2: next couple of years, because we know that practancy is

847
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Speaker 2: due to rape has increased, which is horrifying. But at

848
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Speaker 2: the same time, I don't know if it's just me,

849
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Speaker 2: but I have getting more and more disturbing pieces about

850
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Speaker 2: children's deaths, some of them like literal. I've just watched one,

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Speaker 2: I guess the crime thing where a mom was so

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Speaker 2: flustered because she could not financially provide, she did not

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Speaker 2: trust her for the children's father to take care of

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Speaker 2: them and so gave them the best day and then

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Speaker 2: unfortunately murdered them. I guess this is a side say,

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Speaker 2: and that's not the only case I've seen. As of recently,

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Speaker 2: I've seen more and more. I feel like this may

858
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Speaker 2: honestly be a thing that we see because women are

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Speaker 2: not seen. Again, we've talked about the fact that the

860
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Speaker 2: abortion band is only going to kill women, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think people can estimate the route of desperation that

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Speaker 2: many people will have from these situations. Again, same thing

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Speaker 2: with forced labor, force birth for those who have been

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Speaker 2: molested and raped. Similar similar to that conversation of the

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Speaker 2: desperation that you're not going to understand. I'm horrified, aby

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Speaker 2: what's happening. But I don't think any of these tactics

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Speaker 2: are going to push to an increase in birth the

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Speaker 2: way they think it will now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so either. There's so much, like really

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Speaker 1: fundamental systemic things that have to change. I believe for

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Speaker 1: people to write.

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Speaker 2: Again, hello, having childcare, having money to feed yourself, having

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Speaker 2: money to have a bedroom for your child, those are

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Speaker 2: all things that are dictating whether or not we want

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Speaker 2: to have children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, seems pretty obvious, you would.

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Speaker 2: Think, But I feel like twenty twenty three South Korea

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Speaker 2: really like, oh, I guess we should talk to those

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Speaker 2: who can give birth what.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask them?

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should maybe we should ask them? And then

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Speaker 2: we have literally gone backwards in the US on how

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Speaker 2: to handle it again again, the pretenses we're saving lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 3: Well, well we have a lot of episodes about this.

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Speaker 3: As you said, Samantha, it is related to a lot

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Speaker 3: of other issues. This is another very intersectional thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Happy International Women's Day.

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Speaker 1: Happy International Women's Day, Samantha.

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Speaker 2: Good luck everybody of Gosh.

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