1 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, what's up, idiots and welcome to Straightia Lab, 2 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the only podcast that's about two gay guys unpacking straight 3 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: culture and also not about that at all. George, how 4 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: are you for the last few weeks? I have come 5 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: in completely blank and use and the least we can do, 6 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: I think is come in with some semblance and what 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about in the intro. I mean, 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: I do think we owe that to our listeners. To counterpoint, 9 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't think we our listeners anything. We give them 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: a weekly show that's you know, sometimes over an hour long, 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: and we self produce. And you know, this is sort 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: of we don't get paid. We actually pay to have 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: this hosted on a website, which is insane. Um, that's 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: too much, That's okay. You know, sometimes hearing something that 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: you know is true but you have blocked out is 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: really jarring. And when you just said that we pay 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to put this podcast out, it really made me clench 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: in a way I haven't in many months. It takes 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: it to a new level because on you know, level one, 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: you're like, well, we put this out for free. Sure, 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: we do a lot for free. That's normal. Um for comedians. 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be necessarily, but you know, you know, not 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: not for us such talent and experienced comedians, but it 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: is sometimes unfortunately normal for us as well. And then 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: you hear the level two, which is actually that we 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: um to put it out, and that's sort of a 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: crazy little step that one forgets about it. I don't. 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I once again, I don't. I really don't want to. 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to think of it in our defense. Please, 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: you're you're being asked to defend us. Well, first of all, 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I have two things. First of all, you had a 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: counterpoint that we don't know our listeners anything. I just 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: want to counter counterpoint that and say, actually, our listeners 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: a lot because our listeners, as someone recent as as 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: UH past guests Stephen Phillips Horst pointed out to me today, 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: our listeners are uniquely erudite and intelligent and are very 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: good at leaving reviews in no way that I have 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: to say a lot of other podcast listeners are not. 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: You know, I think you're right, and I think it's 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: important to pick podcast listeners against each other, and people 41 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: that listen to our podcast definitely are better than people 42 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: that listen to other podcasts are and they are all 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: going to compete for the death in a dodgeball tournament 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: that we're paying for that. We're actually we're renting the space. 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. We're gonna have refreshments, of course, 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: we're paying for that. We bought the balls. Those are 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: non returnable once we you know, throw them a few times, 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: they're basically worthless to the company. Yeah, but it's you know, 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: it's worth it because we're getting branded balls. It's like 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: it's a really we're actually getting like branded Stradio Lab 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: balls made in the United States by a former Ernie staffers. Yeah, 52 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, we're putting them back to work. It's 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: it's sort of our way of giving back. And the 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to say, just to return to 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: your assert your point about the fact that we pay 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: to put out our podcast is again in our defense. 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: You know, we started we had eight episodes that we 58 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: did record with a real life producer, and then and 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: then Quarantine hit of course in March, and we said 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: we're going to put these five episodes out. You know, 61 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: we have them, whatever, why not start putting them out 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and by five weeks time, this whole thing will be 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: over and we can go back to recording with our 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: producer in person. Sure enough, in eight weeks it was 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: not over, and we started recording on Zoom, thinking once again, 66 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: maybe we'll do two zooms, three zooms, maybe we'll do 67 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: five episodes on Zoom and then things will be back 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to normal and then we'll start recording again. Cut to 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: almost a year later, we're almost at our one year anniversary, 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and we are still recording on Zoom and paying fees 71 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: on maybe three different platforms, one for editing, one for 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: releasing UM, and one for recording, and no sign of 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic stopping. Are of us kind of selling the 74 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: podcast to a network or getting any money sponsorships adds, 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: none of that. So UM in conclusion, this is definitely 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: that feeling when the pandemic did not end after roughly 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: eight weeks. Yes, and very much that time thing in 78 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: that we thought it's that time thing, and that we 79 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: thought and that we kept making miscalculations when it came 80 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: to time. And to kind of our guest has not 81 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: listened to this episode because it's not out yet, but 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: to kind of call back to the Sydney episode, which 83 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: will have been released by this point. It harkens back 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: to the idea of straight society as a series of miscommunications, 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: and so in that sense, our podcast is true to 86 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: its title straight. Well, that's pretty round about. If I 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: were greeting that essay, I'd say, b plus. You know, 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: I feel you got there, but I feel you made 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: some jumps, and I'm honestly sure about the conclusion. Wow, 90 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: this is very like you're you're giving me a very 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: undergrad level analysis, because what you don't understand is that 92 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: the ultimate point of the theoretical humanities is to go 93 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: around in circles over and over again without reaching any 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: kind of conclusion. Well, you know, you're sort of it's 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: funny that you would mention that I'm giving you undergrad 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: because you know that's actually, you know, for someone as 97 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: unitucated like me, it's sort of the only education I have. Yes, 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: And it's so and it's so tragic because you're so 99 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: stuck in this mindset of like we need to make 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: points that add up to a conclusion, Whereas I've learned 101 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: that the way it works is you kind of just 102 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: throw big words out there and then occasionally say something 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: along the lines of which brings us back to the 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: neoliberalization of the canon. You know, it sucks because you know, 105 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: I could I can sometimes just be saying something that 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: is true about myself, and you know, I could be like, oh, 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: I'm I'm hungry, and you be like, well, that's pretty 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: undergrad of you things, right, It's very rudimentary. Yeah, it's 109 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: and in fact, um, I would say addressing basic needs 110 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: or the idea of cause and effect, or even human language. Um, 111 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: just straightforwardly speaking without talking solely in metaphors and puns 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: is um. I don't know, It's just it's something I 113 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: deal with when I interact with you, and I can 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: I can kind of turn my brain off in a 115 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: way so I can so I can be able to communicate. 116 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: But it is difficult for me. You know. One good 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: thing I think and um, this is definitely correct, you know, 118 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: despite that timeline wise, I'm older than you. I think 119 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you have a grad degree and I 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: only undergrad degree makes me always younger, right, And that 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: is that time thing. That is that time thing. It's 122 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: it's I'm like always sort of like um, story eyed, 123 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: looking around, like wow, this is my life. Look at 124 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: me in the dorms, right, you're with the bright eyed 125 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: ingenue and I'm the professor accused of problematic blots. Yeah, 126 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: so that's just sort of a difference. Um. So you know, 127 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: while you maybe have the intellectual high ground, I have 128 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: the ultimate high ground, which is, um, I am educationally younger, right, 129 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and and whereas I understand that high and low are 130 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: outdated modernist categories that we should abandon as quickly as 131 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: possible before we turned back into fascism. Sure, sure, I 132 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: just say, okay, grandpa, right to which I say that, 133 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: to which I say, Grandpa means that I'm young because 134 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: those categories are outdated. I'm like, this is a debate 135 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: like this, Literally we could have podiums, we could be 136 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: like politicians with this debate, Like imagine, I feel like 137 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: we are like sparring in a way that I never 138 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: expected from right, But once again, a debate that's so 139 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: high school, you know. I for me, it's more of 140 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: a you know, it's what's happening now? Is more of 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: a an eternal conversation started by the ancient Greeks? Can 142 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: I tell you something really embarrassing that kind of designs 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: both topics. One time, when I was a freshman in college, 144 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: I auditioned for the Debate Society because it was like 145 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: really pretentious, and I'm like, I want to be pretentious. 146 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: I think you've literally said this on the podcast before. 147 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: Really I just fully ate it. Like like they were 148 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: like I was like, I do improv and they're like, so, 149 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: do you think improvs art? And I was like yeah 150 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: in some respects? And they're like, do you think murderers art? 151 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, um, oh my god, whereas I 152 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: in the at that Actually no, not at that age, 153 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: but maybe a little bit older. If someone was like, 154 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: do you think murderers art? I'd be like, thanks for 155 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: asking me. I've been really contemplating this for months. Um well, 156 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I was in debate in high school and my biggest 157 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: shame is that. So you know, I moved to Greece 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: when I was twelve or thirteen, and then we did debate, 159 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: but it was in English, so it was a lot 160 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: of like Greek kids doing it in their second language. 161 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: But I was like, oh my god, I got this, 162 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: Like literally, I was just living in New Jersey, the 163 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: birthplace of Western debate, and so I thought I was 164 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: going to be like the biggest star and short enough, 165 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: three people from my high school made the national team, 166 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: and I was the alternative, and I was like, they 167 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: have accents. That's so messed up. I know, well, I'm sorry, 168 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: but I think you, by independently producing a podcast that 169 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: you pay for, you've proved them all wrong. I can 170 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: be agree. And I also want to say when I 171 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: when I said they had accents, that was me imitating 172 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: a problematic past version of myself that was so self 173 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: hating about my Greek heritage that I was in fact 174 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: xenophobic about people that were in fact native to the 175 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: country I was in, which was my own country, but 176 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: that we're speaking another language was of the country that 177 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: I used to live in. M okay I when you 178 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: said that, to be completely radical transparent, I heard that 179 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is he talking about. I'm 180 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: just gonna move on. Oh no, it was because I 181 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: was in Greece. They were debating in English, but that 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: was their second language, whereas I was like, you know, 183 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: grew up bilingual and thought I had the upper hand 184 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: on the English language. Okay, well, thanks for explaining, George. 185 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: How often do you hear what I say, not understand 186 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and say I'm just going to ignore 187 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: that move on, I would say, anytime you're talking about 188 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, um, yeah. I feel like for you, 189 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like when you bring up like a random woman 190 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: from New York magazine or um, you know, honestly any 191 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: like media figure who is um, like not Julia Roberts, Like, 192 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh so true, like you know, yeah, um. 193 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of times You'll just say like, 194 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: like a word, and I'll be like, I love that word. 195 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I'll come back 196 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: to it. I'll look it up and maybe enough context 197 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: will follow that I will do I do. First of all, 198 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for saying that, But I think 199 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: you are maybe over selling, um, the sophistication of my 200 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: of my of my various rants on this podcast. Yeah, 201 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: I'm over selling it, and yeah, thanks bad. And also 202 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: oftentimes what will happen And this is I think something 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: people who are listeners that are much murder than me 204 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: have noticed is that when I feel intellectually and secure, 205 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: my way of dealing with that is just saying as 206 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: many words as possible m M, regardless of the order 207 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: or the meaning or the way that the sentences. I 208 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: wish I had that when I feel insecure, I get 209 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: a clam up, you know, I get quiet right. Well, recently, 210 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: um my boyfriend, a friend of the pod. My boyfriend 211 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: told me that oftentimes ranting incoherently is a sign of intellect. 212 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: It's because it means like, oh, you have such a 213 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: difficult time organizing all your complex thoughts that the best 214 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: you can do is kind of come up with a 215 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: word salad. And you know, if you just sound confident 216 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: in what you're saying, then the people listening to you 217 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: will think it's their fault that they can't understand. Well, 218 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, I bet after he told you that he 219 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: knew he was getting a blowjob, you know, I bet 220 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: I bet he was like, Oh, George's upset. Let me 221 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: tell him that his incoherent rambling is a sign of intelligence, 222 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: so I can get my damn blow job. Well, what 223 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: do you think? I think you're correct? Indeed, talk about 224 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: this someone. As many in fact, podcast reviewers have pointed out, 225 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: many of our guests do not listen to the podcast, 226 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: barely know who we are, and come in wanting to 227 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: basically sabotage our entire careers. Not the case with the 228 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: following guests. Nathan has heard our podcast, which has huge credit. 229 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: The huge things about our guests is that they have 230 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: in the past listened to our podcast. So there's gonna 231 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: be no surprises. It's no tricks, no traps, just full on, intelligent, thoughtful, 232 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: coherent conversations. Is that Do you think what someone who 233 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: has listened to our podcast is coming prepared with thoughtful, intelligent, 234 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: coherent conversation. No, but a girl can dream. Um please 235 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: welcome to the stage. Give a glamour girl. Who do 236 00:13:52,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: you who? First? Bike? I'm finder, Hey, a bitch, be going. 237 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: That's a lot, Spike, Spike pously, how are you? I'm great, 238 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: I everything is fine and chill. How are you both? 239 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: Um doing really really well? Actually? Um, you know, Spike, 240 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: before we start recording, you were like, can you hear 241 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: the city street from my computer? And I was like, 242 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, we hear that all the time. And 243 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: now I'm like, you're right, like, we actually hear it 244 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot, which I think is great and I think, um, 245 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: uh it is the fourth guest of this podcast. Oh 246 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: I haven't well, I do think the City of New 247 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: York is the fourth fourth guest of this podcast. All 248 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: the time, especially when our guests are zooming in from 249 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: any other city. You know, your background spike is Stonehenge. Yeah, 250 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: well it's actually I googled Druid Stone and it's one 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: of the ones that's not Stonehenge. But yeah, I just 252 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: I one of the inde druid Stone. It's one of 253 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: the lesser and once you probably haven't even everybody thinks 254 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: of Stonehenge. But it's not guilty. Every Let's go to 255 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, you went to Stonehenge. I went 256 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: to a different Like what my god, that's such a 257 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: tourist e druid Stone. It's like there's a McDonald's. There's 258 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: really good McDonald I would love I would go. That 259 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: would be really nice. They should do that. Yeah, um, 260 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: I like you. George recently moved, so it's just like 261 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: an empty, bare walled room. Oh well, that has never 262 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: stopped me from zooming in and completely humiliating myself. You know, 263 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: I just was like, let me although I have to say, 264 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: um to everyone listening that one of her last two 265 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: emails in the Strader Lab Gmail account are One is 266 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: titled George's mike and it's someone explaining to me why 267 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: my mic doesn't work, and the other one is titled 268 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: George his Apartment, and it's someone offering me their services 269 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: as an interior designer, and I may take them up 270 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: on it. I have not decided yet because I'm ordering 271 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: a few things and seeing if I could do it 272 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: by myself first. But the point is the Stradio life 273 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: email has become people desperately trying to help me pull 274 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: it together. Well, if any listeners of this episode want 275 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: to offer advice or critique about my life, um, you 276 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: can sunk off. But anyone wants to recommend any indie? 277 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: What what is you call? Se googled Druid Stone. It's 278 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: so interesting that your mind would immediately I was if 279 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: I were to try to google Stone hand without, I 280 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: guess I would do like stone formation. Well, I I 281 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: just like the I was like not expecting there to 282 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: even be anything but illustrations. I was so pleasantly surprised 283 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: about these rocks. What were those tall metal things that 284 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: popped up everywhere? And then everyone was like obelisk, Yeah, yeah, 285 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: did we find out what? Like advertising agency was sort 286 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: of slapping it's going to be like a Jewel commercial 287 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl like this year. Yeah, that was 288 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: fishy from the beginning, I was like, these are popping 289 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: up everywhere and we're writing an article about it. How weird? 290 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: It would be crazy though, if it turned out they 291 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: were like signs from extraterrestrial life and all, and we 292 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: are also jaded that everyone's like, what is this a 293 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: fucking motorola razor ad And then the aliens are like yeah, 294 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: because that's what all aliens sounds. I mean, like ships. 295 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: So sad that we think there were too jaded to 296 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: realize they're trying to help us. If I saw a 297 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: real life spaceship and an alien walk out of it, 298 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: I my first instinct would be like, Okay, what viral 299 00:17:52,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: marketing thing is that? Where is that actually still on? 300 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Right now? You know it's to happen, really it's weight 301 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: it is still on. So he's like punking people with 302 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: like sort of like Scrooge like events of like, you know, 303 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: things that shake them to their core and make them well, 304 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: here's the thing with faith and and this is and 305 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: I say this as a former Quimby employee, the issue 306 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: with Quimby is and I think the punk reboot is 307 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: such a perfect encapsulation of this. It's like you are 308 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: rebooting something that hinged upon Ashton Kutcher's air as kind 309 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: of like a dickhead, kind of like a you know, 310 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: a slightly mean spirited guy who's just like trying to 311 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: prank his friends. You can't then replace him with someone 312 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: whose entire thing is being like smarmy and nice. Yeah, 313 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: but like like yeah, like pillar of community kind of yeah, 314 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: where it's like that you're jumping out and right it's 315 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: I can literally I imagine a chance for ever coming 316 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: out and being like gotcha, and this brings me to 317 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: income inequality, you know, like yeah, anyway, it does feel 318 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: picked almost at random. Um right now, now, I was 319 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: about to bring up a topic, and I'm so embarrassed. 320 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: Why what did you think of Elon Musk tweeting free 321 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: comedy or whatever? Legalized comedy, legalized comedy? I was like, who, what? 322 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: What special did you watch that made you that? When 323 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: you google the person and realize, you know, articles coming 324 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: up of how shitty that person now has been exposed 325 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: to be made you think to go take to Twitter 326 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: for that, but not name them. And I'm wondering, I know, well, 327 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: it's a more general thing where I always when people 328 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: write things like that or even have more general. I 329 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, when you don't know what something 330 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: is referencing, but someone will be like someone will be like, 331 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe if we left are bubbled, things like this wouldn't 332 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: happen period, you know, and then you're like trying to 333 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: work your way back. It's just it's alarming that everyone 334 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: is constantly like operating on a Everyone constantly thinks the 335 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: top story is something different, and when you think you 336 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: get what the big, big story of the day is, 337 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: you then realize it's literally only within your like fifteen 338 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: person friend group when you try to talk to anyone 339 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: else outside of that. Yes, um, I've been so annoyed 340 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: not to not to twitter round up. I know this 341 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: is one of the most boring things that people hate, 342 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: but it's I'm gonna keep it general. When people walk 343 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: like a congressional hearing and like live tweeted and they're 344 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: just like, um, Jim Jordan's needs to like get with it. 345 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not a take, Like this is 346 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: so boring. You're like, what cloud are you trying to 347 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: get from live tweeting a congressional hearing? Like this sucks? Wait, 348 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: I once did that for a time for a tech 349 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: hearing for one of the hearings with like Mark Zuckerberg, 350 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: because in my mind I was like, I don't know, 351 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: I just anything. I'm like, whenever Mark Zuckerberg is in 352 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: front of Congress, I'm like, this is the big Like 353 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: everyone's watching this, right, and then it's like, no, no 354 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: one's watching it, you fucking psycho. Well, George, I'm sure 355 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: yours were thoughtful And no, no they were not. Spike. Um, 356 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: what ceo or public figure would you live tweet their 357 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: congressional hearing for? I'm so sorry about the party in here. 358 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Question this is a one Yeah, it's because we heard 359 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: them from so far away. But it's a one way street, 360 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: so they're only they're only going It's never otherwise if 361 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: it was a two way street, they'd be going back 362 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: and forth forever it happened. It usually happens with ambulances. 363 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: Is they kind of just like to cover their bases 364 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: and go both ways they're allowed When CEOs congessional hearing 365 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: one night, and you can't say Julia Roberts Sam knows, 366 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, honestly trying to think of CEOs, what if 367 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: it was I have a really good answer for this. Yeah, Okay, 368 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: my answer is, what if Gwyneth Paltrow, CEO of Goop, 369 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: was like sold something that was so misleading you, like 370 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: she really sold like snake oil and then had to 371 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: be interrogated before Congress about like the ethics of her website. 372 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be iconic. I would love to 373 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: see that and on her side like sucking overnight oats 374 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: that I would I mean that if that were being 375 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: live tweeted, because that even feels more like an event 376 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: like Mark Zuckerberg now him getting like interviewed by Congress. 377 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like I've seen it, babe, Yeah, it's 378 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Yeah. Wait, Spike, what did you say about 379 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: overnight oats? I said I would eat that ship up 380 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: like overnight oats. Can I ask you something? Do you 381 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: like over night oates? Because I think it's like one 382 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: of the biggest scams. I just said that because you 383 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: said it would be Grayneth Paltrow. No, no, no, I 384 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: know I've never made them. Okay, I just sam have you. No, 385 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: I've never been heard of it. Okay, if you've made 386 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: overnight oates, please email straight Ob at gmail dot com 387 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: and we can have a little key about it. Since 388 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: no one hears it listening to me, I just make 389 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: it the regular with hot water, right now, that's the 390 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: correct way. It's funny that overnight oates has been sold 391 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: as like the better solution when it's like it takes 392 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: a full night. It takes a full night. It's cold, right, Yeah, 393 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: there's like a percolation bless oh my god, stamn, Like 394 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it's the season, just the season. Wait, should we do 395 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: our first segment? Okay? Um, like you know the drill. 396 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: This is called straight shooters and it's a series of 397 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: rapid fire questions or engage your familiarity with straight culture 398 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: and you've listened to it so you understand how this 399 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: segmently works. It's weird because I kind of forget the 400 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: rules every time, well partially because there aren't really rules, 401 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: and partially because there are rules, and yet because you 402 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: haven't asked a question yet. Although we did decide last 403 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: time that the way we're at least conceptualizing it is 404 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: as like a Rorschach test for your place within communities. 405 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like we give you. So it's 406 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: kind of like we give you two things and then 407 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: whichever one you gravitate towards. Just naturally says something about 408 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: your relationship to straightness that you don't even know. We 409 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: know because we're both the doctors. Okay, Okay, yeah, well okay, George, 410 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: kick us off? Wait can you kick us off? Okay? 411 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: Spike Evangelicals or Jelical Cats Evangelicals Spike, Alfrey Woodard or 412 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: Albert Nobbs, don't know what I'm gonna say, Albert Nobbs, Um, Okay, Spike, T. S. 413 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Eliott or T. S A. I don't know what those are. No. 414 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: Restoring the Soul of America or repairing your stomach lighting 415 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: by switching to an anti inflammatory diet. Restoring the Soul 416 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: of America, briefcase, backpack, knapsack or Keepsake Keepsake Canada Dry 417 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: or America First, America First, Kristen Wig, Rachel Drag or 418 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: My Funny Friend Sarah, My funny friend Sarah, I Love Sarah. 419 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: And finally, The Fall of Rome or the Assassination of 420 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. The assassination of 421 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford. I have to 422 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: say already, and we haven't figured out in you scoring mechanism, 423 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: you're event take and gravitating towards a lot of America 424 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: related answers. I can't even decide because you gravitated towards 425 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: both America First, which is Donald Trump's slogan, and Restoring 426 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: the Soul of America, which is Joe Biden's slogan. So 427 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: you really are a bipartisan UM enthusiast. But I was 428 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: trying to relate to in terms of the concept of straightness. 429 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: Is um commitment to a theme regardless of its actual content. Okay, 430 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: I think commitment to a theme regardless of its actual 431 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: content is You're very wise to point out, very straight 432 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: and also very much like that's like very much what 433 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: electoral politics is. It's like, no matter what's going on, 434 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: everyone walks in every day and everyone's like, did everyone 435 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: dress for the theme democracy? Yes? What's straighter than that? Sam? 436 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: What do you think? Um? You know? I I I 437 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: feel like I was called on while I was like, 438 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: like like falling asleep in class. You're falling apart math 439 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: magazine behind the Math Texico. I'm like, um, um uh, 440 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: I think um democracy and UM commitment to a theme 441 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: is um all very straight, like you're both saying, and um, 442 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: can I go to the bathroom? Oh? My god, Oh 443 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: my god, Spike, were you a good student? To be honest, Um, honestly, 444 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: it depended on the teacher. No, um I was. I 445 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: was like good when I was good, and wasn't when 446 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't. And I also definitely only tried at the 447 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: things that were fun. Like did you grow up in 448 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: l A. Yeah, I'm from born and raised in Okay. 449 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: So you're like had classes and feelings. No, well, I'm 450 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: getting right. When I went to Liberal Arts College here 451 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: in New York. That's right, you did, Oh you did? Yeah, 452 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: I did, But um, it was it was when I 453 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: went to high school in l A. Our high school 454 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: was in at least building. It was like always this 455 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing of like it might not be here 456 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: next year at least and we might get kicked out 457 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: of this building. But where the high school is, which 458 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: was a really weird like impermanence aspect that I think 459 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: like defined my experience there. And we were graded on 460 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: a rubric that had seven different habits art. I love that. Wait, 461 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: what are the habits based on habits of the heart 462 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and habits of the mind, the habits of the like connection, collaboration, 463 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, so I asked, were you did you 464 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: take lasses and feelings as a joke and you answer 465 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: to that is no, of course not. But we were 466 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: judged based on habits of the heart. Now that's what 467 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like it's not even just something that small. 468 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: It's like every single student got grated on the same rubric, 469 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: which was seven columns three heart. Fore mind that you 470 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: that had each had a heaving one was like evidence 471 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: was a habit of the mind. Like all the ways 472 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: that you could do a group project grated on even 473 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: more so in the habits of the heart, because collaboration 474 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: had extra weight. And yeah, all of these things like 475 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: prepared me to kind of like be where I'm at now, 476 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: which is, um, I work outside every day picking up poop, 477 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm excelling. Would you say picking up so 478 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: you're referencing, of course you're uh career as a dog walker. 479 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: And would you say picking up poop is a habit 480 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: of the mind or a habit of the heart. It's 481 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: had a habit of ethical behavior, which was another category 482 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: on the rubric. Great, wait, there were more. They were more, 483 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: And it wasn't like we got abc D. I almost said, 484 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: because we did not get grades. It was not like 485 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: we got abc DF grades, not like, uh, they were standards, 486 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: so you gotta does not meet standards, meets standards, approaches standards, 487 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: which should have said before meats or exceeds standards. So 488 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: for each and that could be, that would be your 489 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: grade four habit of the heart. No, it would be 490 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: like seven columns under the column of evidence. It would 491 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: be like student has shown work, student completed bibliography, and 492 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: you would get a meets and exceeds and approaches or 493 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: it does not meets in each of those subcategories. Then 494 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: the habit would get an average, and then your whole 495 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: rout b it would have seven different meats, does not 496 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: meets whatever, you know. So it was like you're getting 497 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: straight exceeds on a project you did amazing, you got 498 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: some does not meets because you didn't show up or 499 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: you were late on some like it was just it 500 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: was bullshit. I can't believe that I fucking did that. 501 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: And it really is the first time I've ever explained it, 502 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: I feel, I mean, that's the thing I've ever heard. 503 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: They are training you for a life, um kind of 504 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: working at BuzzFeed and being like is this OMG? Or 505 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: l O L. I didn't do that. I actually think 506 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: that's how we should grade students. I think a really 507 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: fun no One steal this a really fun dystopian film, 508 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: kind of along the lines of Sorry to Bother. You 509 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: would be if buzz feed as a company took over 510 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: the American educational system and everything was graded based on 511 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: being an OMG and l O L a w TF. 512 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: And so student student would come in and they would 513 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: like hand in their work and they get it back 514 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: and they would have a yellow sticker that's aid WTF. 515 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 1: You'd get a listical at the end instead of your 516 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: exactly the teacher would give at the parent teacher conference, 517 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: give your parents a listical that was like six times 518 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: Spike made me a f and it's like a Leslie Nope, 519 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: like punching the air at the end, like graduating. But yeah, 520 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: I can definitely see the teacher like handing you a 521 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: little slip that's like see me after class. You're not 522 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: getting nearly enough clicks, like you're clicking lay down God. 523 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: And everyone would be like and then, like you know, 524 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: every Democratic politician would be like, finally we've reached the 525 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: perfect public private partnership with BuzzFeed. Now all our students 526 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: are getting clicks, and then it would like, you know, 527 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: they'd be like a controversy because like, students in certain 528 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: areas would be getting more clicks and students in other areas, 529 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: and it would turn out that it's because they had 530 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: faster WiFi and the cable companies were in cahoots with 531 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: a BuzzFeed and the government, and then no one would 532 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: get tried for any of the crimes. I mean, this 533 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: is a film. You've literally written a film like I have. 534 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm actually I've been writing it this whole time with 535 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: my other hand, the one hand that's not podcasting to podcast, 536 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: and the other to write. It would be like, expressly, 537 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: that's tight. I've got one hand on my podcast, the 538 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: other one's writing a dystopian film. Hell yeah, that was good, 539 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: thank you, that's my that's my musical parodying the Jacked 540 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: Little Pill musical, George, your life writing a movie while 541 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: producing a podcast. Did you know the Jagged Little Pill 542 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: musical premiered? Wait? Guess what city? The Jagged Little Pill 543 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: Musical premiered in New York Boston. Wow, huh, what a 544 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: city to premiere in your musical? Yes, what are they written? Yeah? Wait? 545 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: Why why why were they like because no one here 546 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: will come see it. So that's why it's kind of good. 547 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe it was more of maybe it was 548 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: more of a drier run. I just know this because 549 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: a friend of mine um photographed, like was the you know, 550 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: he's a photographer and he photographed Diablo and Atlanta's for 551 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: the Boston Globe when it was premiering. Oh well, shout 552 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: out to your friend in huge congrats. One of the 553 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: few things that when I moved from bostonton New York, 554 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: one of the few things where when it came to 555 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: New York, I was like, oh, yeah, that was in 556 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: Boston for I love that Georgia. Was it harder to 557 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: move from Boston to New York or from Greece to 558 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: New Jersey? Go, well, so I moved from Greece to 559 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: New Jersey when I was in first grade, but then 560 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: from New Jersey to Greece when I was in high school. 561 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: Which which one are we referring to? Okay, we'll do 562 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: the second one. High school is more Okay, So you're 563 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: asking me whether it was harder to move to a 564 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: different Yeah, to move to a different country when I 565 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: was in the thick of puberty and closeted. Versus moving 566 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: from Boston to New York to pursue stand up comedy. Okay, 567 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: hands down, moving from Bostonton, New York to pursue stand 568 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: up Here's what I also, you can't use being but 569 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: you chose to be a comedian, right exactly. And ultimately 570 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: my parents accept me more for being gay than they 571 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: do for being a comedian. Oh, I can't imagine. I 572 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: can't imagine if my beautiful gay son went to undergrad 573 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: grad and then it tells me, Hey, I'm going to 574 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: really really go for this comedy thing. I would say, 575 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? You? After all, you've put 576 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: me through all this school and now you want to 577 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: go into bars back rooms and just sort of riff 578 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: about ship you think about, No, not in my damn house. Also, 579 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: imagine it's like you come out as gay, They're like, 580 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: maybe he'll be creative, maybe he'll be artistic, and then 581 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: you choose the straightest possible art form. Not to put 582 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: the spotlight on you, but you were like kind of 583 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: you were like you were like raised comedy right, like 584 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: you did like comedy comedy, comedy. Kind of I mean 585 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 1: my so, my parents are both comedians slash actors. My 586 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: mom um and dad raised us to not do comedy 587 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: because they said, we did that. It's very hard to 588 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: be successful at it. It's not stable, and you should 589 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: not do that or devote time in your life to that, 590 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: and we will not like support you doing that. Right then, 591 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: I am funny. So they were like, oh damn, we 592 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: will support you. Okay, well that's nice. They kept telling you, 593 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: why don't you focus on your matters of the mind 594 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: rather than the matters of the heart. And you kept 595 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: showing them your report card which had like five hearts 596 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: but only two brains, And they were like, I was 597 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: like I was, I was a love child out of wedlock, 598 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: and I always feel like, what a mistake, But it's 599 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: too late now, and yeah, oh yeah, my parents were 600 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: never married and they like never ever got married. They 601 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: just lived together because I was born, Like interesting that 602 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: they did live together and yeah, they just like cohabitated 603 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: and we're like, oh a child, Okay, well let's keep 604 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: doing this. And now they are very mature and and 605 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: also very kind of very metropolitan. Yeah I love that. 606 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: It's it made me a little fucked up because they 607 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: they wore rings, and they told they said they were 608 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: a husband and wife, but they never got married. In 609 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: one day, me and my sister, who also does comedy, 610 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: we're like, um, looking in photo albums, and she said, Spike, 611 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: I almost detonate myself, and which happens every single time 612 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: that I think about the past. She said, Spike, Um, 613 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: where we can't find the wedding photos? Like where a 614 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: mom and dad's wedding photos? And so we asked my 615 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: parents and they kind of looked at each other like 616 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: oh fuck, Like did you tell him like, okay, well 617 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: we never got married and aren't married. How old are you? No? 618 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: I didn't. I was like they're married. They were rings 619 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, because we're Jews, it's a traditional gold band. Yes, 620 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: so it's just like they always had a ring on, 621 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: Like wasn't a thing. Okay, But I have another sorry 622 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: if this is two personal, but I have another question 623 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: where they did they seem you know, they clearly if 624 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: you hadn't noticed, still you're fifteen, Like, it's not like 625 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: they were not talking to one another. It's not like 626 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: it was like a toxic envi like they acted like 627 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: a married couple. Yeah, like they slept in the same bit. 628 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: They definitely had love for each other. It was definitely 629 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: something though that was like an unspoken agreement I believe of, 630 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: at least on one side, being like once these kids 631 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: are out of the house, like where this is interesting. 632 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, for at least one member of the partnership, 633 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: that was the case. And now, and this is the 634 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: last and basic question I'll ask, now that you are 635 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: out of the house, are they still living together? No, 636 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: they separated in pretty much the moment that I moved 637 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: out of home. Got it. And you're the youngest or 638 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: the oldest, I'm the oldest of two. I'm three point 639 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: eight years older than my sister. Wow. Yeah that seems hey, 640 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 1: Cally baby, and they do think a little bit different, 641 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: do you. Yeah? That's me sublime love it, Kelly Life. 642 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, Wow, I'm really taking it. Really. I have 643 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: to say, the drama of being fifteen and finding out 644 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: a family secret like that, there's nothing like it. I 645 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: found out a family secret that was much darker when 646 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: I was younger than that, which I am not going 647 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: to talk about on the podcast, but like it is 648 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: something where like you know, when you start getting to 649 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: that age where like people can finally be honest with you. Yes, 650 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: it's there's such an excitement to that, although also a 651 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: loss of innocence. You guys, your version of like being 652 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: that age is like George finding out this dark secret 653 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: that you won't tell us and Spike finding out your 654 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: parents weren't actually married. My version of that is like 655 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: like finding out Santa isn't real, Like that was my 656 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: like I do you when you find out Santa wasn't real? 657 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: Eleven or twelve? But I was like, wow, my parents 658 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: are treating me like an adult shock. You know. I mean, 659 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm Jewish, so I'm born knowing he's not real, but 660 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: well I don't know, but hear me out like I knew, 661 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: like I was like old enough to know, but they 662 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: like told me like no, we like like like we're 663 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna we want you to help like set up for 664 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: like your little brother while he made threw it And 665 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, like I get to be 666 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: in on this, like how it works and then how 667 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: it works that he's not real. Well, you know, you 668 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: get it. I believe if we do. Anyway, I'm not 669 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: being weird. You guys are the ones with like weird secrets, 670 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: like like I'm not being weird. Not call my secret 671 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: that I will not disclose weird. It's obviously very normal 672 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not disclosing it for normal reasons. One of 673 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: my favorite, like one early reveals was that's that's not 674 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: grandma's roommate, that's grandma's girlfriend. That's a fun one. It 675 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: was unspoken because she had been out for many years 676 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: while my father was a child, but growing up it 677 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: was like Aunt Rebecca was my grandma's partner, but we 678 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: called her, We called her aunt, but they were every time. 679 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: Every time, sorry to say this, every time literally anyone 680 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: has like older members of their family that are queer, 681 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm literally like, okay, that's just like Transparent exactly. Yeah, 682 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean l a gay just literally yeah, no, it's 683 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean not gonna, it's truly like that. The season, 684 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: just like Transparent season when they went back to the 685 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: thirties or whatever, I was like, this is a ground 686 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: break spike when um, when your parents told you that 687 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: they weren't actually married, did you go well, I love 688 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: a reveal, Yeah, pal fellow a moment I had and 689 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: spicy as reveals to my parents one time actually where 690 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: they was about arguing, I wanted to move to New 691 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: York just just straight up do comedy because I started 692 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: doing comedy when I was like thirteen ish, fifteen ish, 693 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: like just in little like talent show where like kids comedy. 694 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: Like format's not like they were putting me up on 695 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: stage somewhere like a fifteen year old, but lap yeah, 696 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: at the comedy store Plawn Room when I was sixteen 697 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: years old at the Comedy Store at thirteen of it 698 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: was at the light at the Improv on Melrose, but 699 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: it was daylight, so like the actual things that happened 700 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: at night with adults, and then they would have like 701 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: child hour for like the parents of the children. It 702 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: was really goofy. But I wanted to go right after 703 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: high school just to New York to do comedy. I 704 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to go to college, and going to college 705 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: was only to appease my parents that I would get 706 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: a degree so that I could have something that I 707 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: could actually go into because they were again even though 708 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: they're like, yes, you are funny, they were like, don't 709 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: bank on this because it's not stable, and you know, 710 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: like they just discouraged me from making it my only 711 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: avenue until they realized that, like I was going to 712 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: be self sufficient no matter what. And part of the 713 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: argument we're having when I wanted to leave home was 714 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: they were saying how I hadn't been exposed to like 715 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: the real world, or I was naive, or they had 716 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: been sheltering me in some way, like you know, you 717 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: don't even know how to drive and whatever these things 718 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: like that, I still don't know how to drive, because 719 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: but that's because I'm gay, not because I'm naive. And 720 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: I remember, in this triumphant moment, like thinking, Oh, I'm 721 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: going to get one over on them. I'm gonna tell 722 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: them this thing that I did that I went through 723 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: all by myself without telling them two years ago. And 724 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: I was like, that's not true. I can do things 725 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: for myself. I got an abortion all on my own, 726 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: and it was like what great, what a great time 727 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: mattered reality. And imagine them reacting me like, oh, good point, 728 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: I guess you do. Ken literally thought that that was 729 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. I thought that they would go, well, 730 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you and amazing, so here's the keys. 731 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: Like it was just they were so sad and upset 732 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: that I didn't turn to them for help in these 733 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: moments but it was just another thing of me, like 734 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: finding my own way and kind of becoming my own 735 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: person before I had like a language for my gender 736 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: and all these things like. But yeah, that was definitely 737 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: a lifetime movie moment. I was like I hadn't abortion 738 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't help me, and I didn't need help 739 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: to me. The lighting chain, your sister's off screen, she's 740 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: like in on it and like like Lizzie McGuire like 741 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: walking on the corner like this is weird, right and 742 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: walks away. Oh god, I have to say the cartoon, Lizzie, 743 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: Like the idea that Lizzie McGuire's inner thoughts or a 744 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: cartoon was such a game changing moment and all of 745 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: film and TV. Yeah, it's an amazing device. Look, it's 746 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: a good show. It's a good Um. Should we get 747 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: to your Oh my god, we have to get into 748 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: the topic. Sorry, I'm sorry, No, No No, it's not your 749 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: as you know, this is very common, um. But I 750 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: want you to first you came prepared with a kind 751 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: of a a title in a very I would say, 752 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: grad school way, very Georgian um. And so I want 753 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: you to tell us the title of your presentation, and 754 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:07,479 Speaker 1: then you'll of forty five minutes. I'll take a short recess. Um. So, yeah, 755 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: this is This is the title of my um dissertation. 756 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: I've been working on it for the last five and 757 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: a half years. I received several grants from the Toilet 758 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: Water Institute of America sponsoring me. You know, I was like, 759 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: one of our sponsors is actually ice water, and toilet 760 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: water is one of the big competitors of ice water. 761 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: Ice water. Oh my god, I'm ready for my water. Yeah. 762 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: I love that. I hope it's okay that I just 763 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: had the catchphrase. And though I'm not endorsed, I mean, 764 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: I mean fined, but I am toilet water. It's fine, 765 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: but thank you for disclosing that all your research was 766 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: funded by toilet water. Um, okay, it's so. This is 767 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: the title Dogs, a Study of Heterosexualities effect on non 768 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: human entities. And that's kind of the topic that I 769 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: bring you gentlemen here today. I love it. Well, there 770 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: are two ahead. Well, I was going to say that 771 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: there are two elements. One is discussing this dogs as 772 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 1: a straight topic, which I do think there's so much there. 773 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean, a Golden Retriever is kind of the classic 774 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: straight pet um. Even other dogs like a beagle I 775 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: think has certain associations, or or even a poodle or 776 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: even a laborate doodle. There are it's like different different 777 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: types of straight people. But then there's a second part 778 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: which I think is also interesting, which is heterosexuality is 779 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: something that we think of as a human practice and 780 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: activity and identity, but in fact it shapes the world 781 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 1: around us, even the non human parts of that world. 782 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,879 Speaker 1: And that I think is kind of the second part 783 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: of what you're saying. So, but I'll let you take 784 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: the lead in terms of you know where you want 785 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: to open. Thank you, George. Just a second point, um, 786 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: I would like to explain that the way that compulsory 787 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: heterosexuality has afflicted and infected all areas of culture, but 788 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: specifically focusing my lens on dog human interaction in a 789 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: public space, for example, the dog park. It is not 790 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: uncommon to see at the dog park both compulsory heterosexuality 791 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: being foisted upon dogs in their relation with each other 792 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: and their relation with human beings. For instance, have either 793 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: of you, gentlemen, ever attended a dog park before? Oh? 794 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: Actually I have. Yeah, Well, then you probably know the 795 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: type of dog that comes over goes belly up immediately, 796 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,240 Speaker 1: and then you know, the owner comes up apologetically saying, sorry, 797 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: my dog is such as slut. This is something that 798 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: I observe often that not only is it shameful too 799 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: in the way that they're delineating this word something that 800 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: many people are empowered by, but they are categorizing the 801 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: dogs need for or and display of desire for affection 802 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: as being inherently a nuisance when sexual the purpose and 803 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: sexual when it is the purpose of the companion animal 804 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: to seek positive reinforce affection and there's no sex involved 805 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: and the dog is not coming on to you, thereby 806 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: removing the element of arousal. Yes, I mean, well, it's 807 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: also like you, I mean exactly as you said in 808 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: in their domestication, dogs have been have to shoulder the 809 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: burden of their entire being of death, being that they 810 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: are there to like make humans feel loved and comfortable. 811 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: And then they, you know, already having been taken out 812 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: of their natural habitat, having been breeded bread for so 813 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: many centuries, try to do the one thing they are 814 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: good at and the one thing they know how to do, 815 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: and immediately you're calling them sweat. Yes, I've I've had 816 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: so many interactions where in my almost eight years dog walking, um, 817 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: where I've seen humans blame their dogs for behaviors that 818 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: two dogs is normal given the situation. And for a human, yes, 819 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: that would be insane. If you lunge should be screaming 820 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: because I passed you by, that would be crazy. But 821 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,439 Speaker 1: since it was a dog doing it and I came 822 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: from around a corner, it makes more sense. But the 823 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: person who is the entity that's being yelled at is 824 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: of course the dog by the human, even though they're 825 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: the one at fault. But I digress um. Going back 826 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: to the dog park analogy, there's another dynamic that I 827 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: want to shed light on, which is the male dog 828 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: owner with the male dog. It doesn't matter if he's 829 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: castrated the dog or not, but more often than not, 830 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: watching his male uncastrated dog hump another male dog. Now 831 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: this we see the man, the presumed heterosexual man, take 832 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: two modes. The first mode is the shut it down 833 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,399 Speaker 1: at a shame like not my gay dog, my dog, 834 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: not my gay dog, hashtag not my gay dog. And 835 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: the second mode is stone called ignoring the situation because 836 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: to even acknowledge it is gay. Yeah, that is always Um. 837 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: The humping at the dog park in general is like 838 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: really forces some people to make some choices. Yeah, they 839 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: have to like confront um sex and like playfulness in 840 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: like the same sentence, and they have to do it, 841 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: like they very rarely do it tactfully. Yes, one of 842 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: the other ways that it's you know, that's that's a 843 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: gay panic example that I'm giving you where he's seeing 844 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: the male on male dog um fraternization, if you will, 845 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: and he's feeling threatened by it for his own sexuality. 846 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 1: But his own is insecurity and the sexuality. But there's 847 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: also the compet which is compulsory intersexuality, elements of saying, oh, 848 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: they're boyfriend and girlfriend about the dog's work, whatever, chasing 849 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: a ball, licking each other's assholes like that doesn't necessarily 850 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: mean you're in a relationship. Like you know, it's like, 851 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: try to tell people in the non heterosexual community that 852 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: licking ask means you're in a relationship. You can't do it. Um. 853 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: So that's just another one of the many ways in 854 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: which dogs are bearing the burden of man's in security. 855 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: And well, what I'm hearing also is like, so here's 856 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 1: the interesting thing. The forms of homophobia that are now 857 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,400 Speaker 1: considered taboo in the human world, you can still uh 858 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: perform in the dog world. Yes, so you pulsory like 859 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: do it by instinct because it's just as like and 860 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: as well as the adherence to a binary gender expression. Yes, 861 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: or kind of an incredulity at one's dog being this 862 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,720 Speaker 1: gendered is something that I come as often from heterosexual owners. Um. 863 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 1: For example, I try not to gender dogs constantly, not 864 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 1: wanting to be misgendered myself. I try to kind of 865 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: go through the world in a neutral way. Um, but 866 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: I will say, you know, your dog is so cute, 867 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: what is her name? And it's always this venomous his 868 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: name is. It's like, I'm sorry, Brutus is eleven inches tall. 869 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: I know, I'm just throwing out pronouns hoping want to 870 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: land get to insult you. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm being misgendered 871 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: by them one moment later, and it's it's like insane 872 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 1: of me to say anything about it. I um, you know, 873 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: on the other side of the coin, you know, I 874 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: sort of imbue my dog Gizmo with um some sort 875 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: of gay stuff. Uh. You know, we'll be walking, he'll 876 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: be sort of ifing some piss, and I'll say, it's 877 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: always such a little piss pig. Oh my god, He'll 878 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: he'll snip that piss and his like, you know, he'll 879 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: mouth will start like clicking because he and he like 880 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 1: flaps his lower lip with the savoring the flavor of 881 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,760 Speaker 1: the stranger. Yeah. Well, similarly, when I lived in Boston, 882 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: I like, with my what, no, no, come on, I 883 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: love what this is going. Tell me about your piss 884 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: pig experience story. No, it's actually the opposite of this, 885 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,399 Speaker 1: because Sam is projecting a piss pig identity onto his dog, 886 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,439 Speaker 1: whereas what I did was so I used to live 887 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: with Um, one of my best friends, Miranda, and we 888 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: there was a mouse in our apartment. I don't know 889 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,959 Speaker 1: what you guys are laughing at identity onto his dog. 890 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 1: It's really funny. Sorry, I was. I was. I was 891 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 1: so in academic mode that I didn't realize what I 892 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: was saying. I had any humor to it. Um, we 893 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: had a mouse in our apartment that was that would 894 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: that lived under the stove and like, uh, you know, 895 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: under the oven, and it would come out, you know, 896 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,280 Speaker 1: every few days. You would kind of take a couple 897 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 1: of steps and then as soon as it noticed any 898 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of movement, it would go right back and there 899 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: was just nothing we could do about it. And my 900 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: roommate Miranda, who is a queer woman, uh, decided the 901 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 1: mouse was a lesbian and and and and a very 902 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: kind of um I would say, she a very dignified 903 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: lesbian and and and and kind of created this personality 904 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: around the mouse that then really made me. When I 905 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 1: would see the mouse, I would be like for her, like, 906 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:55,279 Speaker 1: good for her for taking up space? Wow? Did she 907 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: the mouse? The mouse's name I think was mouse. I 908 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: know a person named so it's not uncommon. But also, 909 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: but this is the other thing, is often because we 910 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: named the mouse mouse and and mouse again, I'm falling 911 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: into the traps that you were describing. Spike. Mouse to 912 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 1: me seems somewhat male coded. So I would often be like, oh, mouse, 913 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, I saw a mouse and he would X 914 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,920 Speaker 1: y z, and then Miranda would say you mean she oh? 915 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 1: Or was it Miranda's exertion of control over those of 916 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 1: space that kept her wanting up? Well, now you're not 917 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 1: seeing again Miranda as a white lesbian. Famously, you know 918 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 1: a group of people who are very good at um 919 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: making spaces exclusionary walking together exactly. Maybe this was kind 920 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: of a little fair situation where she was like, my 921 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: mouse is a lesbian and she's allowed here. Wow. It's 922 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see the way that we project onto 923 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,919 Speaker 1: creatures that never have displayed an indication that they see 924 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: anything except like, um, pure beings emancipated from the I 925 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: would say, the burden and curse of sexuality. I UM. 926 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: I think one of the most embarrassing things dog related 927 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: as a kid is say you go over to like 928 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: your parents friend's house and they have a dog, and 929 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: the dog comes and like sits by you, and you're 930 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: like petting the dog and you're like a kid at 931 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: an adult adults house. So this like this sort of 932 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: your only thing to connect with um. And then they're like, 933 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, who's your friend? Who's your friend? And 934 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the it's your dog. Like, don't ask 935 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: me who my friend. Like your dogs just being a 936 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: dog to me. It puts it's very like this is 937 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: sort of a different level of this where it's when 938 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 1: people look at kids and like are like, you're an 939 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: animal that can't be talked to in a real way. Yeah, 940 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: the kids thing also is like totally like looking at 941 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: a little boy and it's like he's going to be 942 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: a real lady killer one day, and you're like, it's 943 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: like when people describe dogs as being sexy. It's just 944 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: like that's fucked up, right, Stay majestic. When I was 945 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: in college, there was like a movement in I mean, 946 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would call this a movement 947 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: rather than just two people that I knew that then 948 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: ended up becoming famous queer influencers and ultimately canceled whoa 949 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you off Mike, But that one of them 950 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: was very much into the idea of interspecies romantic love, 951 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: into it as in like not for me, like for 952 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: as a theoretical almost as like a theoretical framework. I 953 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: think it was more of a way of like thinking 954 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: of humans as part of nature and like there can 955 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 1: be relationships anywhere, that can be whatever. And so one time, 956 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: as a joke, I was like, so where do you 957 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: stand on beast reality? And they were like, well, I 958 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: mean they were literally like, I mean that's a bigger conversation, honestly, Okay, 959 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: this is my impression of that influencer. Um, yeah, I mean, bro, 960 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: like I'm not into like into it, into it, but 961 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,720 Speaker 1: like as a theoretical framework, yeah, like it's cool. Like 962 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't like it, but like as a 963 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: theoretical framework, like come on, yeah, Like, so you're in 964 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,760 Speaker 1: the ocean and you're naked and the dolphin comes by, 965 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,440 Speaker 1: it's like you're just gonna you know, I mean, I 966 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,080 Speaker 1: do think if we're gonna have bestiality, we might as 967 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 1: well do it with marine creatures. I'll tell you why. 968 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: It just seems more there's more of a tradition of 969 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: like mermaids and the shape of water like that seems 970 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: less tradition. It came out a few years ago. Go ahead, yes, 971 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,120 Speaker 1: y anyway, And with that, I think maybe we're ready 972 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: for a final segment. Wow is that crazy? Wait? A, 973 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,840 Speaker 1: my nuts? Should I literally jump off my window? Jump? No? 974 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: You jump off? Um? I guess we could do shout 975 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: out our final segment. I mean you mean cool? Yeah, No, 976 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I definitely remembered that. Do you have anything This has 977 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: all been very, um, very educational educational? Do you have 978 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: any concluding thoughts on this topic? I you know, I 979 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: just want everyone to sort of step back from the 980 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:48,680 Speaker 1: ways that they place themselves in their desires on these animals, 981 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: these beings. But um, also, at the end of the day, 982 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,800 Speaker 1: what really matters is like are you are you taking 983 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 1: care of them and taking care of yourself. So totally 984 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,920 Speaker 1: no judgment here unless it happens in front of me, 985 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: in which case you better run. Um well, I think 986 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 1: I think we need to our final seg Yeah do 987 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: you think now? It's like people who listen to this, 988 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,120 Speaker 1: maybe we'll see Spike at the dog park and wanting 989 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: to overcompensate, will go up to them and be like, 990 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,439 Speaker 1: this is my non binary dog. Anyone who does that, 991 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,560 Speaker 1: trust that I will. I will never forget you. Um, 992 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm walking too fast. You know. I don't 993 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: go to the dog park. We're we're on structured pack walks. 994 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: Were like together as a unit, moving through the world 995 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: and communicating as like one organism. Um. So if you 996 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 1: see me on the street and I have a lot 997 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: of dogs, take a picture of me, DM it to 998 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,480 Speaker 1: me and we can hang out another time. It's like 999 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't. The other day I ran into some people 1000 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 1: and I said hi to them on the street and 1001 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I was with two dogs, and it's set off the 1002 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: dogs in a very excited way, because usually I'm the 1003 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 1: only person that they're with, and it made me unable 1004 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: to participate in the human aspect of the interaction because 1005 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: I was so busy trying to make the dogs okay. 1006 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: So that's what I would say. Wow. Well, our final 1007 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: segment is umuts and you give a shout out in 1008 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: the style of a radio shout out or you know 1009 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: t r L. It's two thousand long and shouting at 1010 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,920 Speaker 1: your squad, but for something that you like, and it 1011 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,840 Speaker 1: can be anything in the whole wide world. Um, George, 1012 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: do you have one? Sure? Why not? What's up? Listeners? 1013 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to the 1014 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,520 Speaker 1: one light, the one lamp out of eight lamps on 1015 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: my ceiling that decided that has decided to flicker on 1016 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,000 Speaker 1: and off constantly when I turn on my lights. I 1017 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: think you are kind of a quirky darry see queer 1018 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,959 Speaker 1: one of the bunch, and as much as I keep 1019 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,680 Speaker 1: putting off getting you fixed, part of me is like, 1020 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: maybe this is what you're meant, like, this is your 1021 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: way of expressing yourself, and I should listen to that 1022 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 1: and see what you're trying to tell me rather than 1023 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: try to fit you into the mold of the rest 1024 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: of your light bulb siblings. Um. Meanwhile, you know, realizing 1025 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,320 Speaker 1: that this then means like literally cannot turn on my 1026 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,959 Speaker 1: lights and have to look very ghostly with this um one. 1027 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, listeners can't see this, but there is one 1028 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: very pale light kind of grazing one side of my 1029 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 1: face because they cannot turn on the lights on my ceiling. 1030 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: But I do want to just give a quick shout 1031 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: out to the one queer light bulb in my apartment. 1032 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: I have not decided yet whether I will try to 1033 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 1: convert you or not. Stay tuned. Um, okay, what's up, listeners. UM, 1034 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 1: I just want to give a huge shout out to 1035 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 1: high school movies that take place in l A. I 1036 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 1: have always seen these movies and been like, what world 1037 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: is this? I've never seen a high school like this. 1038 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: I've never seen people like this, and I've never seen 1039 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: people act this way. And you know what I'm learning 1040 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: today that that is my own personal bias. Yeah. I've 1041 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: moved around Midwest and the South, but l A is 1042 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: a very very different place, and it is real and 1043 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,320 Speaker 1: it exists, and I will not erase the Lost Angeles 1044 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,720 Speaker 1: High schools. Sometimes they're outdoors and that is awesome. WHOA 1045 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: I let me lost close high school movies? Who who? 1046 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,040 Speaker 1: My little sister went to Beverly Hills High. Isn't that 1047 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: a crazy sentence? She was a cheerleader at Beverly Hills? 1048 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,360 Speaker 1: Can you just, oh my god? Should I expose her 1049 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 1: as being a comedian who used to be a cheerleader. 1050 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: I think it's like part of her stick at some 1051 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,520 Speaker 1: point that she's like, now I'm here, I was this, 1052 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: but look at I don't know. She's really funny though, 1053 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,960 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, that is what what l A high 1054 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 1: schools be like. Um, oh sorry, whenever you're ready. What's 1055 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 1: up everybody out there in radio land? You've got your 1056 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,160 Speaker 1: dial set to the right station in the mediate spike 1057 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 1: and you're listening to me on the radio. UM, thank 1058 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: you so much for taking my call. I'm so excited 1059 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000 Speaker 1: to have been a second caller. I call in every 1060 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,440 Speaker 1: single day and I never get through. So I just 1061 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,800 Speaker 1: want to give a chout out, UM to every single 1062 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,040 Speaker 1: dog that I've ever met, Thank you so much. I 1063 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: love you. Um, I'm really proud to have known you. 1064 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,960 Speaker 1: And Um, even though I am allergic to dogs, I 1065 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: really appreciate you being there for me throughout my life 1066 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 1: and thank you for existing despite the fact of the 1067 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 1: ways that human kind treats you on the whole. So 1068 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 1: sweet sweet, you know that to really go from kind 1069 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:40,440 Speaker 1: of an academic rigor to a um to to to 1070 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,640 Speaker 1: a broad sort of empathy and reveal last minute that 1071 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,440 Speaker 1: you are, in fact not that you are allergic to 1072 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 1: dogs and despite that they have had such a big 1073 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: positive influence in your life, it's very, um, very heartwarming. Yeah. Also, 1074 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, just as a as a form, you know, 1075 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,800 Speaker 1: normally we go for the loud uh, the the the goofy, 1076 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 1: and I think to sort of turn the radio shout 1077 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,080 Speaker 1: out into a very real, like the Delilah style, is 1078 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: um a real twist of the genre and um genius, 1079 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:19,240 Speaker 1: thank you, I have a radio. Thank you, I have 1080 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,240 Speaker 1: a radio, my radio. I remember loving Delilah and thinking 1081 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,280 Speaker 1: it was like so touching and being like this is 1082 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,360 Speaker 1: insane that people feel this way still on she is 1083 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: they just interviewed her on like Fresh Air or the 1084 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Daily or something. She has like a million adopted children, 1085 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,960 Speaker 1: her whole she has like there's a picture of her 1086 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,040 Speaker 1: posing like amongst and a picture is super far away 1087 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: to fit like all the kids that she's adopted. Whoa 1088 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: and she that gives me a little Christian Trump definitely do. 1089 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she's definitely someone who just wants 1090 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: you to be okay at the end of the night, 1091 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,120 Speaker 1: no matter where you are, if you're listening alone or 1092 01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:02,520 Speaker 1: if you're listening together, it's Delilah. It's like that, Wow, damn, 1093 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: I okay. Well, this has been wonderful. Um, thank you 1094 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,480 Speaker 1: sorry for doing them. What a delight.