1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd Podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sportsradio dot com, 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: to the Herd podcast. Welcome back. You know there's an 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: old saying, get your house in order. The NBA, to me, 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: has got some you know, tertiary issues, got some things 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: on the margins, load management, you know, eight teams tanking. 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I would not expand. I mean, first of all, if 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: you have two new teams, that's one hundred and sixty 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: four more games. It already feels like the regular season 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: is endless. I mean I could argue, you could, you know, 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: knock off two teams. And again, football has always had 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: the advantage where every game seemingly matters. Rachel Nichols, covering 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: the NBA since the early nineties, is joining us Fox 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Sports NBA analyst. Yeah, it's I mean, I'd be happy 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: for Vega. I always thought Vegas would be a great 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: NBA city. What do you make of the Bora governors 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: voting tomorrow. What do you make of expansion when you. 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: Hear yeah, well, Jason and I both agree that there's 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: certainly enough worldwide talent to get some more people into 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: the NBA. But I actually think relocation is the move 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: that they should have considered. 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 3: This is a money grab. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: Each current owner is going to get half a billion 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: dollars in their pocket that they don't have to share 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 2: with the players by expanding to these two cities. It's 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: not the best thing for the health of the league. 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: You have Memphis the lowest attendance in the league, New 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: Orleans often right there, Both are an old arenas. New 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: Orleans has recently, like you know, proposed some expansion to 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: the arena. But you can add more seats, there's not 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: enough people to fill them. 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, New Orleans population is not actually that big. 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: El Paso, Texas has almost double the population of New Orleans. 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: They just aren't cities that have been shown to these teams. 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Vegas absolutely, Seattle, absolutely, they're predicted to be top ten 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: in terms of revenue generating. But I say move the 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: other teams and move those to Seattle in Vegas. And 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: by the way, to your point about the games, and 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: what it's going to be like. So the last expansion 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: was twenty years ago, the Charlotte Bobcats, if you remember, 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: and it took them six years to get into the playoffs. 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: They were swept out of four, and then another few 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: years and then they were swept again, and then another 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: few years and they lost again. Only three times in 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: twenty years, and they've never won a playoff series. So 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: the quality of basketball is not going to be high 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: with these expansion teams. 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Listen, there's a story out that, and 53 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: I think this is true that the new Laker owners 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: they let great baseball players go in their prime, like 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Manny Machado is like a you know, 56 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: great player in his prime, Trey Turner, Seeger. These guys 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: go to teams, they're team's best players. Lebron's not in 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: his prime. They don't really need it for a draw 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: with Luca, you know, popular Austin Reeves. I mean, there's 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: a story out he's not coming back. I think that's 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: the case, but I don't have it sourced. What are 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: you hearing? 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: I think it's very dependent on the negotiations this summer. 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: Certainly a month ago it looked like there was. 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: No way he was coming back. 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: Now that he's accepted this different role, it is more 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: of a question. People are more uncertain because the question 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: first is money, Because if he's not willing to take 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: a significant pay cut, the discussion's over. 70 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: Right. 71 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: We're talking about like fifty million down to fifteen million 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: a year. So if he's not willing to do that, 73 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: we're not talking anymore. If he is willing to do that, 74 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: then you've got to have a real brass tax conversation 75 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: about role. 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: It's one thing for the last month of the. 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: Regular season and the playoffs for Lebron to be I'm 78 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: all for the team and I'll dive on the floor 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: for loose balls and I'm happy with my usage rate 80 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: going way down. It's another thing to sign on for 81 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: that for what could be your last entire season, right 82 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: and you know, at the end of important playoff games, 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: game six of a series against the Oklahoma City Thunder, 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: it's still a defensive liability to have those three guys 85 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: on the court. They've done a lot better over this 86 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 2: recent streak, but it's still not your best defensive lineup. 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Is one of them going to sit for the end 88 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 3: of games. 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: I think Lebron will always start, but is he going 90 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: to play at the end of games? I just think 91 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: they have to have a real conversation about first, obviously 92 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: the money, but then what would his role be and 93 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 2: is he really willing to do that for a whole 94 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: other year. He does love Los Angeles and I think 95 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: his family would prefer these days. 96 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, Jason Tatum's back. It's not fair to 97 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: say he's going to be great. He's very very good. 98 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: What's kind of the vibe with it now? The East 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: is wide open? Right, Like there's defensive questions with the Knicks. 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: Cad Cunningham's out now for Detroit, Orlando's very interesting but 101 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: not dominant. Where are they? Where are we on Tatum 102 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: and the Celtics. 103 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: I am all in. 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: I am picking them to get to the finals. I 105 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: just think that this team, what they did without Jason 106 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: Tatum was very convincing and what they have done since 107 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: he has been back. He doesn't have to ever get 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: to one hundred percent for them to get to the 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: finals to be the Eastern Conference champions. He is such 110 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: a He's not a decoy, but he's such a threat 111 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: from his positions on the floor, especially at three, that 112 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: you have to give him attention defensively and that lets 113 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: the other guys work even more than they did during 114 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: the bulk of the season. And by the way, his 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: real issue since he came back, and I wouldn't even 116 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: call an issue, but his working his way back is 117 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: about the shooting. Jason Tatum did not forget how to shoot. 118 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: It's just timing and rhythm, and this is usually the 119 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: last thing to come when a player is coming back 120 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: from injury. 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: It's exactly what we expected. 122 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: But the footwork, the endurance, and really the mental side 123 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: of it, where he is showing no fear on the 124 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: court the way we've seen with some players who are 125 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: injured recently. 126 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: That's what's impressed me the most. I think it's been 127 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: hard for people to get to know Jason Tatum. 128 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: We know that he's a good dad, but that's kind 129 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: of all the personality has been. 130 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: I think we now have to. 131 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: Add the word toughness to Jason Tatum and say he 132 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: is one of the toughest players in the league because 133 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: what he has done it's exceptional. 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: So we did something at the end of last hour. 135 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: We went to number one draft picks in football that 136 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: had red flags. They all bore themselves. They bear themselves out. Yeah, 137 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean Jeff George Character, Bryce Young undersize, JaMarcus Russell immatur, 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: Jeff George Character. Then you go to the NBA. Anthony 139 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: Bennett wasn't super athletic, didn't have good competition, Michael Olowa, 140 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: Candy greg Odin was injury concerns and wasn't very polished offensively, 141 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, lack of passion. They all eventually played themselves out. 142 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: We want to up and down the list, and even 143 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton was a great offensive player, but was not 144 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: really engaged defensively, kind of a lobsided player. So Darren 145 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: Peterson missed eleven games. That's the first issue. And like ankles, 146 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: hammy cramps, cramps eleven games and they were better when 147 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: he was gone. They were nine and two. He played, 148 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't. The other thing I would worry about a 149 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: little bit of a loner and what worries me? Kawhi 150 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: has got a little bit of this too. Kawhi always 151 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: had an assist issue. Where Kawhi was playing in a 152 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 1: silo by himself. Darren Peterson didn't have an assist against 153 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Saint John's and yet he takes the most shots of 154 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: both teams. He kind of plays by himself and he's 155 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: a great athlete. He'll probably go number one, but in 156 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: a stacked draft, there's a lot of flags here, are 157 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: there not? 158 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: I completely agree. In fact, I wouldn't say that he 159 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: will probably go number one. I think there are huge 160 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: question marks around him. I think a lot of teams 161 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: are waiting for the interview with him if he can 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: come through with a really good explanation of like, oh, 163 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: I had physical issues, but they are solved and here 164 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: is why. If he can come through with more of 165 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: an explanation on his mental status. He said in that 166 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: press conference after Saint John's, He's like, well, I was 167 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: playing most of the year with an injury, but actually 168 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: it was a lot mental I think. 169 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: So that is a huge red flag to me. And 170 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: if you're one of these. 171 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: Teams that has just thrown your season away tanking hoping 172 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: to get one of these top talents in the draft, 173 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: I personally, he'd have to wow me in. 174 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: The interview for me to take that risk. 175 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: You know. 176 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: The Washington Wizards, or of course in contention for that 177 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: top pick, their last number one pick was Kwame Brown 178 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: that you can add that to your list of people 179 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: who didn't work out. You can add Markel Foltz, right, 180 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: there were questions about him that didn't work out. So 181 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: I just I don't know there's enough really good other players. 182 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: I think Peterson has the biggest. 183 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: Upside of any of these guys. 184 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: He's the best shooter, he's the best defender. But the 185 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: question marks that are riddled throughout any scouting report on 186 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: him would scare me away if I was one of 187 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: these teams that had given up so much to get 188 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: one of these guys. 189 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 5: Well. 190 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: The other thing is Eric Manginio has a term, and 191 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: I forget what it is. Oh, he calls it a 192 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: force multiplier. Is that you you want players who make 193 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: others better. Now, quarterbacks can do that obviously, but in 194 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: basketball terms, it's That was always my knock on on Kawhi. 195 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: Durability issues and a little bit of a loaner and 196 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: odd and it does matter. And I've said this before. 197 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: If Kawhi was an engaging personality and did not have 198 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: durability issues, I think we would talk one of the 199 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: five best players on takeout centers maybe so yeah, one 200 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: of the five best wings I've ever seen. 201 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: In my life. 202 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: He's got MJ. 203 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: No, You're absolutely right. 204 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's an incredible talent. So I don't know, 205 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: I think, and this draft is so good. I'll tell 206 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: you the kid that the Arkansas kid, Darius Akoff. He's six' 207 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: two and he is not interested in. Defense, no he is. Not, 208 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: YES i mean could he be number. One he's a 209 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: sensational offensive. 210 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: TALENT i mean he is. 211 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: SENSATIONAL i, mean you, KNOW i am not at all 212 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: comparing him To Luka. DONCIC i Think luca is a singular. 213 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: Talent but one of the questions About luca coming in, is, 214 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: hey not really that interested in, defense and we have 215 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: seen that hasn't really changed that. Much he buckles down 216 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: in the, playoffs but it's not the same. Thing so 217 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: you just have to know who you're taking. With it 218 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: also depends on the makeup of the, team right that 219 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: is taking. Him if you've got a stellar defensive, group 220 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: you want someone who's just going to shoot and shoot and. 221 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: Shoot but that force multiplayer THING i think is so. 222 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: Important Steph curry is obviously a huge multiplayer making everyone 223 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: around him. Better you, Know Jason, tatum we were just 224 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: saying he is going to draw defenses away and enable 225 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: other people to play. 226 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: Better his assist numbers are always. 227 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: High you want a guy like that because they're not 228 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: always going to be, Hot and again that is another 229 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: sort of worry With. PETERSON i don't. Know Maybe i'm 230 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: just too. SCARRED i grew up IN. Dc i've seen 231 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: a lot of failed draft, picks BUT i would be 232 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: very cautious of taking someone like. 233 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: That and maybe you're proved, wrong and maybe it's. 234 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: Like, luca where he was picked number, three and of 235 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: course if there was a redraft you would pick him number. 236 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: One BUT i JUST i don't. 237 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: KNOW i THINK i Think i'd rather be a little 238 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: less of a, ceiling a little safer personally than being, like, 239 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: well you, know we missed out on the biggest thing. 240 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: Going it's just a lot more of a. 241 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: Crapshoot and if you're one of these teams that's, tanked 242 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: and the tanking rules are going to change next, year 243 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: so you're not as guaranteed to get a high, PICK 244 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: i personally am maybe a little more risk averse on 245 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: something like, this especially. 246 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: When there's so many good other. 247 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 6: Choices ACAS i, mean incredible, draft incredible, Draft all, Right Rachel, 248 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: NICHOLS i said this To nick right, well and, HERE 249 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 6: i would Vote wemby, OOH, mvp even though. 250 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: He's A b plus offensive, player because he's the best 251 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: defensive player maybe Since kareem in his. Prime, absolutely he 252 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: literally changes the. Geometry he leaves THE nba with thirty nine, 253 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: blocks but you can't measure. IT i, said that's About 254 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Dion sanders Or Darrell. Reevis they're so great you can't 255 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: judge them on interceptions because they. Can't nobody wants to 256 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: throw it. Right wemby changes more than any Player i've ever. 257 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Seen he changes the way you play. Offensively, yeah Like 258 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: steph did? That steph changed the way players viewed the. 259 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: THREE i Think wemby's THE. Mvp they've won twenty two 260 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: at twenty four and they. Dominate, okasee who would you VOTE? Mvp, 261 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: LOOK i. 262 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: Am Victor Webin yama's biggest you, know supporter out there 263 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: in the. MEDIA i had said before he was, DRAFTED 264 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: i think he's going to be a top ten. 265 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: Player of all, time maybe a top five player of all. 266 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: TIME i think the question With sga Versus, WEMBY i 267 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: think it's. CLOSE i THINK sga has been a little 268 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: more consistent throughout the, year AND i think a lot of, 269 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: voters And i'm a, voter will look at the final. 270 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: Record you, know The spurs were really threatening to overtake 271 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: The thunder and the, standings AND i think if that had, 272 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: HAPPENED i think if The spurs had been number one, 273 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: overall a lot of votes would have gone To. Wemby 274 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: now that looks a little more shaky that they would overtake, 275 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: them AND i think a lot of people are flipping 276 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: back TO. 277 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: Sga we'll, See, well it's going to be. 278 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: Close it'll be, fun, Yep rachel as always great. 279 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: Folks be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 280 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 4: weekdays and noon eastern non a Em pacific On Fox 281 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 4: Sports RADIO fs one and The iHeartRadio. 282 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: APP. 283 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: Hi this Is. 284 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 7: Jay i'm the producer of The paulin And Tony Fusco. 285 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 7: Show usually in these promos they asked you to listen 286 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 7: to the. 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Point 298 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: there had never been physically A magic and he's the 299 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: best transition Player i've ever seen in my. Life so it's, like, 300 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: oh that's. Different Steph curry shooting, Range caitlin's got. This 301 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: Oh i've never seen shots like. That that doesn't Have 302 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: Tim duncan was great When kareem came. IN i mean 303 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: literally the story About kareem when he came in with 304 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: Lou elisoner when he went TO, UCLA ucla was the national, 305 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: champions freshman could not play. Back then Lou El sinder 306 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: goes TO. Ucla the FRESHMAN ucla team played the, sophomores 307 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: juniors and seniors when guys didn't come out early the 308 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: national champs and hammered. Him there was nothing Like kareem Young, 309 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: kareem there was nothing like. Him and you know you 310 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: remember the Old kareem that didn't run the floor terribly. 311 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Well the younger Player milwaukee in Early laker days ran 312 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: the floor, better a little, Better, magic, Different steph, Different. 313 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: Lebron look, Again i'd Seen Michael jordan. Before he wasn't as. 314 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Good But David, Thompson i'm old enough to Remember David. 315 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Thompson he was Pre Michael michael and Then colby was you, 316 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: know so came into the league and he almost mimicked. 317 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Him he sounded like him when he first came into the. 318 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: League so Like, michael here's another player that played like nobody. 319 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Else doctor J i, mean he was the hand, size the, 320 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: inventiveness the. Creativity not all great players are. Unique wemby. 321 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: IS i, MEAN i guess the only guy in the 322 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: league that's even remotely close to him Is Chet, holmgren 323 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: who's a very good. Player BUT I wemby is just 324 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: physically it's not just seven to, four it's seven to, 325 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: four can hit. Threes his ability to kind of adapt, 326 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: defensively it's Here Nick wright, EARLIER i would Vote WEMBY. 327 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: MVP i Think luca is so atrocious defensively you have 328 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: to and Not wemby's not bad, offensively he's just, inconsistent 329 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: he's not as. Polished he'll be better next. Year SO 330 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: i would Go, wemby MY. Mvp here's nick, Right he'd Go. 331 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 9: Luca wimby is the best defensive player in the league 332 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 9: and one of already the highest defensive. Ceilings at the 333 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 9: end of the, year we vote on The ALL Nba, 334 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 9: team the fifteen best, players and then as a, sidebar 335 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 9: The All defense. Team you know, what there's not The 336 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 9: All offense. Team you know, why because they're, like, yeah 337 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 9: that's The ALL nba. Team we HAVE mvp and we 338 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 9: Have Defensive player of The. Year you, know we don't 339 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 9: Have Offensive player of The. Year you know, why because 340 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 9: that's THE. 341 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Mvp but when the offensive genius is a huge liability, 342 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: DEFENSIVELY i just think that has to be, considered just. 343 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Considered i'd Go Wemby LUCA sga probably, Thereabouts BUT i 344 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: think When wemby's gonna win several for the, RECORD i 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that. Tea the tide 346 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: has turned On Darren. Peterson a month. Ago it was, 347 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: like get over. It he's number. One you, Know i'm 348 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: watching That Saint john's game like the rest of you 349 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: and doesn't have an, assist took the most shots kind 350 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: OF i use the term kind of plays in a. 351 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Silo he's kind of doing his own, THING i, mean 352 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: and then you start looking back and you're, Like, Okay 353 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: durability doesn't really elevate. Others calls himself a. Loaner it's 354 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: like JUST i would just, say you watch The Saint 355 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: john's game late and you're, LIKE i don't. KNOW i, 356 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: MEAN byu may have been bounced, early but that, kid 357 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: their star drops thirty eight like he is just unbelievably 358 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: the best player on the. 359 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 5: Floor, colin sometimes picking number one is almost. Tougher there's 360 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: more pressure on. You The Bryce YOUNG. Cj strat is 361 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 5: a perfect. Example carolina trades up for, one we get to, 362 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 5: pick they do all the. 363 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 8: Homework and they got the wrong. 364 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 5: Guy, now Obviously young rebounded this, year but for the longest, 365 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 5: time it looked, like, hey they made a. MISTAKE i 366 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 5: almost wonder if there's too, much so many good players 367 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 5: at the top of this draft that you don't want 368 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 5: the first pick because there's a chance you screw it. 369 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: Up Listen, peterson, yes red flags and All, colin would 370 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 5: you be shocked if he was putting up twenty six 371 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 5: a game in four years and was second Team ALL, nba. 372 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: AND i would let me ask you, this name the 373 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: last college football or college basketball star with college durability 374 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: issues that goes to the pros and it just. 375 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 5: Disappears, okay well it's gonna take more than ten seconds for, 376 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 5: that but you're you're obviously the first person that comes 377 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 5: to mind Is Michael pennox had major. 378 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 8: Issues, Again, yes. 379 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: You already Hurt Vam. BRADFORD i, mean Didn't tua get 380 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: hurt In? 381 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 8: Alabama and he got hurt with the concussions and. Everything 382 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 8: why find me a? 383 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Guy, listen THE nba is not only double the, games 384 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: but you're playing AGAINST nba. Bodies When bamada buy you 385 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: had eighty three, points one of the THINGS i talked about, 386 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: was dude's been in AN nba weight train and The Miami. 387 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Heat they'll find you if you're not lifting weights every. 388 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: Day bama to buy you's. Body that is a ten 389 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: year PLUS nba. Body he's playing The wizards and they're 390 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: throwing nineteen year old and twenty year old kids against. 391 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: Him part of the eighty three points was The wizards 392 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: are a bunch of their. Kids BAM's like a grown blank. Man, 393 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: well and so in my take, is you, Know BAM's 394 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: not missing a lot of. Time bam is the, body 395 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: the physicality some guys AND i covered WHEN i was In. 396 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: Portland there was a great player who got banged up some. 397 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: Guys Greg odin just broke a. 398 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 5: Lot you, know he just would have a better is 399 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 5: likely to have a BETTER nba. Career Petersonner Cameron. Boozer 400 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 5: peterson would be more. 401 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: SPECTACULAR i could, see you, Know boozer is not a super, 402 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: athlete SO i could see him being like a really 403 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: good number three on an excellent. 404 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 8: Team, Wait yokic is not a great. Athlete he's a. 405 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: One jokic is the most skilled big man in the 406 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: history of the sport. 407 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 8: By twenty eight years. Old he was not at nineteen. 408 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: TEN i, Mean boozer is not in the same class 409 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: As jokic, offensively not even in the same, class not. Yet, 410 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: no he's never going to be that good of an offensive. 411 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: Player first of, all he's. NOT i, mean You're jokic is. 412 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: HUGE i Mean i've stood next To, Jokic i've literally 413 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: talked to. 414 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 8: Him he's a mountain come, on it's. 415 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: Just just just, different. 416 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 7: You. 417 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean if you get banged up in, college tell, 418 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: ME i, mean find me the running back in college 419 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: who struggles to stay, healthy goes to THE nfl and 420 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: you get twelve. Years he's never. Hurt it just doesn't 421 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: work that. Way so if you got durability, issues and, 422 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: well it's it's it's it's, ankle IT'S i don't. KNOW i, 423 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: mean you tell. Me Maybe i'm. Wrong maybe there's a 424 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: litany of players who have been banged up and had 425 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: durability issues. Collegiately but, man when you get to the, 426 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: pros these guys you're dealing. With peterson is guarding nineteen year, 427 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: Olds he'll now guard thirty year. Olds. Bigger good luck On. 428 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: Mitchell and you, know because you're dealing with you're dealing 429 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: with guys who are using THEIR i, mean they're, thicker 430 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: they're more physical and by the, way and you see 431 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: this a lot when you come into THE, nba they 432 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: will test you. Physically Even wemby's first, year he got pushed. 433 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: Around Remember, wemby that was the. Knock he can get 434 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: pushed or he did the first. 435 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 5: Year you Remember, giannis but he looked like coming in, 436 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 5: first like three years in the. 437 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 8: League joannis a non, factor. 438 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: SKINNY i, mean if you remember When JOE lmb came 439 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: out and he went number. THREE i think WHEN mb 440 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: came out there were Like Greg odin injury. ISSUES i, 441 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: mean so you can, say, well stop breaking, things it's, 442 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: hamstrings IT'S i don't know it JUST I i just 443 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: think If peterson goes number, One i'm fine with. IT 444 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: i get it because his ceiling so. High if he, 445 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't i'm not going to brate somebody for not taking. Him, 446 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: yeah you know the red. Flags you, know it's like anything. 447 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: Else you, know if you if you date somebody and 448 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: you hear, things oh you know, this, this. This eventually 449 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: you can put on a good face for the first three. 450 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: Dates eventually people are what they. 451 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 8: Are three months. 452 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: In, chicago. 453 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions Of The herd weekdays 454 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: and Noon easter not a Em Pacific Good. 455 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: Day have you back here on A, Tuesday Yukon Michigan 456 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: State hurley against Is oh coming Up. Friday tournament setting 457 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: Records jamak with a news. 458 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 8: No, no this is the heard line. 459 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: News tournament setting, RECORDS nba setting. 460 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 8: Records people love. Basketball let's start, There. 461 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 5: Colin, obviously THE nba draft is at the front of your. 462 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 5: Mind you love talking about. It we get some great 463 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 5: matchups in the sweet. Sixteen and how about. This an 464 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 5: ANONYMOUS gm is saying That Darius acuff is now a 465 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 5: top three prospect in the. 466 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 8: Draft. Draft, Yes, colin that's. Draft. 467 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 5: Now, LISTEN i don't want to go over mored with A. 468 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 5: Cuff we need to see his. Measurements is he sixty 469 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 5: three that's what they list him. At is he six to? 470 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 5: Two is he six? 471 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: One he is going to BE an nba. Defensive liability 472 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: BUT can i say one thing About. A cuff he's 473 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: a very, athletic guy and he's a, great passer and 474 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: he's a. Great shooter but he Is something usually guys 475 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: who are dynamic offensive players like super athletic are not 476 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: necessarily great catch and. Shoot guys they're. Rhythm shooters he can. 477 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: Do rhythm he can do catch, and shoot he. Can 478 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: pat he is a player who. Debates others he is 479 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: just going to solve a lot if you are lacking 480 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: sort of a dynamic presence in the, back court he 481 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: can solve all. Of it he, can shoot he can catch. 482 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: And shoot he needs, the ball but he can. Playoff 483 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: ball he's a. Great passer he is going to be 484 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: a liability on the, defensive end so you have to 485 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: know that. Going in he would be a great player 486 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: on a team that's got size but lacks pop in the, 487 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: back court and he would provide all. Of it he'll make. 488 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Teammates BETTER there's, i mean he is just a Special 489 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: offensive but now, he's, small right, so again You're not 490 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: small guys may not lead you, to titles but. Small guys. 491 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: You know it's LIKE if I Said kyrie irving did 492 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: not have he's a better Passer. Than KYRIE if i 493 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: Told You kyrie irving had no. DURABILITY issues i, mean 494 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: again you're talking about a player offensively that is one 495 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: of the best Offensive players i've. Ever seen best closer 496 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: for a, Size ever kyrie irv, BEST closer i would 497 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: say ever get the basket from. The perimeter this kid's 498 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: got some of that where you're, just like well that 499 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: is that he brings so many. Qualities offensive kyrie's, gonna 500 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: left he's, gonna right he's gonna. Pull up he can, 501 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: hit threes he can this kid. 502 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 8: Is, special yeah he's gonna be a Problem. 503 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: For arizona. 504 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 5: Amazing game SO when i DO these, Nba comparisons i'm 505 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 5: not comparing them to the best version OF that. Nba 506 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 5: player BUT The A cuff i'm watching looks like A Young, 507 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 5: derrick ROSE Not Mvp derek Roer Shooter derek rose at 508 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 5: twenty average sixteen. And Six But derrek acuff is gonna 509 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 5: average out as. 510 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 8: A rookie i'll tell you that. 511 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: Right, Now Yeah derek rose was a, rhythm shooter like 512 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: he was into. A rim, yeah yeah but He wasn't 513 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: he couldn't shoot. From deep acuff shoots forty five from 514 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: threes and he can catch. 515 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 5: And shoot couldn't shoot, Threes, either, yeah, No no i'm. 516 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 5: WITH You a cuff is. A. Start Now caleb wilson 517 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 5: on that list is the guy. To watch he's the 518 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 5: big KID. At unc if you go WATCH The unc, 519 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 5: duke game He played boozer to, a standstill and he's, 520 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: more athletic jump out of the. Gym guy this draft, 521 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 5: is here here's the Highlights. Of wilson i'm just telling you, 522 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: he's got like, you know the bag is a, little 523 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 5: limited but athletically you could, Just see oh this guy in. 524 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 8: Three years, holy hell he could be twenty five. And twelve, 525 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 8: you know it's. 526 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: It's it's also. With basketball you gotta be careful because these. 527 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Are kids IN. The nfl everybody's played three. YEARS minimum 528 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of guys have played four and. Five years 529 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: you have a lot of film and you're. GETTING men 530 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: a LOT of nfl guys come into. The league. They're, 531 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: married yeah like these. Are kids, SO yeah i mean 532 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: there are eight to nine players in this draft with 533 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: the potential to. Be Stars and i'm not talking just 534 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: like make an all. Star team i'm talking like the Kid, 535 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: at kinneppl the Kid, At, charlotte, like oh they will. Pop. 536 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: Immediately yeah and there's a. 537 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: Couple guys down in, This list Woggler at illinois And 538 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 5: Then kingston Flemings. 539 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 8: At houston they play Each other, thursday night that. 540 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Draft game as. 541 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 8: A tournament, i mean look at. 542 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: THOSE guys i mean it's a. Funny thing like Like 543 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: like boozer is not a, great athlete. He's not caleb is, 544 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: REALLY raw a cup is small and won't defend. Peterson durability, 545 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: you know THE more i start Reading and i'm, reading 546 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: articles don't be shocked If aj go's number one he's. 547 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 8: Gonna go he's the leader. 548 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: RIGHT now i think he's. Gonna go number watch THE. 549 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: Red fla he doesn't have a. Red flag so here's. 550 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: The thing what If the, Indiana shooter but that's not a? 551 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: Red Flag Beat ray allen didn't shoot like that. IN 552 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: collegies i don't ever think inconsistent. JUMP shooter i don't 553 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: think that's a. RED flag i don't think you have 554 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: living on. Practice time most young guys aren't. Great shooters 555 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: he could. 556 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 5: Play With tyrese Haliburton. In indiana they have the worst record. 557 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: In the league. 558 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 8: Right now that would. 559 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 5: BE huge i Don't want Debonsa. And sacramentos, all right let's. 560 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 8: Move on come TO. The nfl we LOVE. 561 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 5: The nfl draft, as well and that's coming up. Next 562 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 5: month todd McShay has dropped his latest not a ton 563 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 5: Of surprises in mcshay's latest, mock Draft still. 564 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 8: Landoz at, The Top rvel. 565 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 5: Reese Two jeremiah love is kind of the guy to 566 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 5: watch there at five For. 567 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: The giants, oh no they don't need. A run i. 568 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 8: WOULD agree i don't think that they. 569 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Right tackle Take the utah. Right tackle love is. 570 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 5: The buzzy guy because there's no second. Quarterback there it's 571 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 5: not a great. Receiver class love is testing off. The 572 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 5: charts he could go Forward. 573 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 8: To Tennessee brian. 574 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 5: Bable, Could, say hey That's The SAQUON barkley i never 575 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 5: Had In new york because he was never. Helpy seasons 576 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: you got the top fourteen picks. For McShay one of 577 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 5: those guys is going to be a. BUST one i 578 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: would say more. THAN, One woa no more. 579 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: Than ONE but i Mean Like, jordan tyson he has 580 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: going To. The rams he doesn't. 581 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: Stay healthy he's got A good i have that in 582 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 5: my coming out. 583 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 8: My Draft the rams are. Going offense that's. 584 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: VERY clear i cannot Believe That spencer pano would. GO 585 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: fourteen i would take. Him tomorrow that's a. 586 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 5: Little, low yeah he's gonna go top ten For Sore 587 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 5: sunny styles is the, interesting one the great Linebacker From. 588 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: Ohio state you don't draft linebackers. That high it just 589 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 5: it feels a. LITTLE rich i don't see, Your. Guy 590 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: tyson i'm. 591 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: Watching Them If david bailey goes eight To the saints 592 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: and they get the number one plug and play, edge 593 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Rusher the saints had a. Great draft HE because. I 594 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: WOULD if i Was, THE jets i would. Take him 595 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: you know exactly what. You're going jets Are. 596 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: Going reese it looks Like he aaron the new, head 597 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: coach the Corner Of aaron glenn Needs like swiss army 598 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 5: guys who can move around in. His defense he's changing. 599 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 5: THINGS up i don't want to get too nerdy On. 600 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 5: The jets, they Stink but reese looks like the guy 601 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: at two To. 602 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 7: The. 603 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 8: Jets sorry final story columns TO. 604 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 5: The ufl kicks off the twenty twenty six Season, on 605 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 5: friday Eightiestern. On Fox birmingham stallions take on the Newly 606 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 5: Minted Louiso. Kings Saturday The houston Gamblers versus dallas team. 607 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: IT is i, Guess say i've never heard Of the louisville the. 608 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 5: New team one of the New Teams houston dallas Four. 609 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 5: On saturday and the three new teams Are The, Columbus Aviators, 610 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: louis Kings And. Orlando's storm and you got some new 611 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 5: look at. 612 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: The, coaches yeah Written new heiseel as. 613 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 5: A coach, aj McCarron The former Alabama Quarterbacks Ted. 614 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: Ginn jr how about that former. Wide, RECEIVER yeah i 615 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: didn't Know new heizel took. A gig i don't. 616 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 8: KNOW that i got to get him on the show talk. 617 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 5: About, it kevin SOMEONE who i Think coached arizona. 618 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 8: Five minutes at An, m yes? 619 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: Goodn't Memory no jack with, The news well that's, the 620 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: news and thanks for stopping by The Herd. Line. News 621 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah the i'm, Telling you i'm trying to think Of the, 622 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: you know there's been some really. GOOD drafts i Don't 623 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: think i've ever seen a draft where the top five 624 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: players are, all exceptional like all of them and THERE is, i, 625 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: mean listen what. You know the other thing you're noticing 626 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: is they're. More domestic and we went to a run 627 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: here of a lot of MVPs are. INTERNATIONAL guys a 628 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of your top picks are. INTERNATIONAL guys, i mean 629 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: all of these guys are really. Good boozers not an, 630 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: elite ATHLETE but i think he has great hands. And 631 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: feet there's some pushback on if he fell. TO six 632 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: i wouldn't. BE shocked aj probably. GOES one I think 633 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: peterson you probably have to take Him to acuff is fun. 634 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: To watch he. Is fun you know a lot of 635 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: guys that are, hyper athletics Small Guys, John, Wall Westbrook 636 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: derek rose not great, natural shooters Great ath they rely on. 637 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: Their athleticism a cuff you get all. The athleticism not 638 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: only is he a, great shooter he's a catch and. 639 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 1: Shoot guy you can put him off into, the wing 640 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: get the ball. To him he is. Really something top 641 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: eight in the mock drafts are, all freshmen all playing. 642 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: College shoots we'll see. You tomorrow