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Speaker 2: I'm Granger, I'm yeah man, I'm Tyler, I'm Parker.

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Speaker 3: This is the ninety nine for one podcast where our

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Speaker 3: mission is to reach the one and to equip the

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Speaker 3: ninety nine to do the same. That comes from Luke fifteen,

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Speaker 3: where Jesus is saying, how many of you that had

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Speaker 3: a hundred cheap and lost one wouldn't go find that one?

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Speaker 3: And really that's what this podcast has become. What is

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Speaker 3: this episode five by? And we have repeatedly said that

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Speaker 3: no matter the topic we do, we want to we

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Speaker 3: want to not think about a global appeal as much

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Speaker 3: as one gospel changed perspective amen, which brings us to

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Speaker 3: our topic today.

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Speaker 4: How should Christians feel about Ice? Not that it's winner,

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Speaker 4: not that you live north, but the immigration organization.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting because as we started talking about this topic,

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Speaker 3: Parker immediately said that topic is a lose lose.

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Speaker 2: And I do not disagree.

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Speaker 1: And what do you mean by that though?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it from a social media marketing building

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Speaker 3: a platform standpoint, this topic we can't win. No matter

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Speaker 3: what we say in this podcast. People are already mad

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Speaker 3: right now. They're mad listening to us, and we haven't

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Speaker 3: even gotten to the topic on both sides. And so,

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Speaker 3: but that's appealing to me because I've already built the

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Speaker 3: platform and I've chased the things. I don't really care.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually I want to seek truth and ground it

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Speaker 3: in the Bible and kind of communicate how we would

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Speaker 3: work through a very sensitive topic that's highly debated and

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Speaker 3: bringing all kinds of disunity, not only in this country

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Speaker 1: What do we do?

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Speaker 3: How do we work through that as Christians? And so

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Speaker 3: it would be easy to just avoid this time. You

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Speaker 3: can say, did dinosaurs really live, you know, on Earth?

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Speaker 3: Or is the Earth really you know, a billion years old?

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Speaker 3: We could do that and be safe and no one's

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Speaker 3: going to worry. Or we could dive it right into

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Speaker 3: a very hot topic and and use the Bible to

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Speaker 3: it help inform how we'd speak about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I know that there's a lot of new

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Speaker 4: just came in on it.

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Speaker 1: Several of you are OG's and they.

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Speaker 4: Came from the Granger Smith podcast or came from the

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Speaker 4: e podcast. And the truth was the same there too.

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Speaker 4: It was it always went back to, well, what does

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Speaker 4: the Bible say about it? Regardless of what it is.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about nicotine on this one already. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 4: talked about online church, we've talked about today, we're talking

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Speaker 4: about ice. Before this, we talked about everything else, and

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Speaker 4: it was always it always went back to the word, well,

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Speaker 4: what does the Bible say about it? And that we

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Speaker 4: hope and we believe that that should change whatever that

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Speaker 4: that's stirring up is inside you. If you're mad about something,

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Speaker 4: reflect and look, well, what does the Bible say about it?

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Speaker 4: And the Bible should change what hell we live and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because opinions are fleeting and we change our minds

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Speaker 3: I feel the Bible says the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I always like what John Piper, the pastor said, he

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Speaker 5: you because this is what I'm seeing in the text.

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Speaker 5: But don't just take my word for it, and don't

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Speaker 5: take anybody's word for it. Go test it for yourself

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Speaker 1: So good. So where do we start with this topic?

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Speaker 4: But what do you look first at? What is that

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Speaker 3: I think probably the best place to start is in

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Speaker 3: a book called beginnings Oh yeah, otherwise known as Genesis,

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Speaker 3: there's a little verse twenty seven down here, and this

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Speaker 3: So when you see another human being, although there's seven

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Speaker 3: So before we think about politics or Democrats or Republicans,

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Speaker 3: Whether you're four eyes or against ice, whether you're four

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Speaker 2: They act like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, agreed, Meaning like you could view illegal immigrants

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Speaker 5: That that's the lens that you're you're viewing it with.

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Speaker 3: So to to that point, what we're dealing with with

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Speaker 3: Here's one ditch. One ditches. There are image bearers. They're people.

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Speaker 3: We should love them. Yes, they've broken the law, Yes

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Speaker 3: Because it actually where's the love of your neighbor? Where

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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is both of them are dangerous ditches.

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Speaker 3: people that break those laws are not less human. They

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Speaker 5: So you see this narrow path, and then on the

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Speaker 5: Because both ditches get the eyeballs, which make money.

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Speaker 5: Who's in charge here, who's doing who's the good authority?

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Speaker 1: Why did they do that?

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Speaker 5: Somebody has to that's obvious, right, that protects the borders.

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Speaker 3: If the country, if the country needs borders, and that's

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I think so.

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Speaker 3: What if people break that law and break through that

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Speaker 3: take them back out. So so far we haven't hit

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people disagree with the wreaking havoc.

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Speaker 1: I think you lose a lot of people. So let's

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Speaker 3: Let's not make let's not make speculation yet, let's not

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Speaker 2: If you find someone, kick him out.

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Speaker 1: I think more of it maybe, and we may be

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Speaker 4: You know, Okay, if you if you did it the

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Speaker 5: And so then the thing I was going to say was, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yours is lot.

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Speaker 3: should break the law and sneak them in right.

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Speaker 1: To Parker's.

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Speaker 3: They've been here for twenty years, so they have broken

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Speaker 3: the law. Our compassion doesn't overwhelm the law where we say, well,

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Speaker 3: because twenty years has gone by and because you're actually

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Speaker 3: written not a criminal, I guess the law doesn't matter

444
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Speaker 3: for you. However, that person, that same person, we love

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Speaker 3: them and we care for them, and we invite them

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Speaker 3: to our house for a meal, and we feed them

447
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Speaker 3: and we tell them we share the gospel with them.

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Speaker 3: So there's this middle ground of I'm gonna love you

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Speaker 3: and care for you and feed you and clothe you and.

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Speaker 5: Help their law abiding citizens. Because you just lost a

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Speaker 5: lot of people with what you just said, because they're

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Speaker 5: imagining the the criminal smalls in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: I would say correct, because if you're a if you're

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Speaker 3: if you are actively breaking the law and dangerous to

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Speaker 3: my family.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to bring you into my house.

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Speaker 1: Because that's what everybody says.

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Speaker 5: Well, Granger, why don't you open up your house to them?

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Speaker 5: You know, Billie Eilish, we're all on still on land.

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Speaker 5: You're in a fourteen million dollar mansion. Why don't you

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Speaker 5: have them all.

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Speaker 2: Up to your you know, that's no.

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Speaker 5: No, So you're not saying that you should have criminals

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Speaker 5: over to your house.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm actually saying I'm I'm saying that the law

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Speaker 3: applies to the Somalians, and it applies to the woman

467
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Speaker 3: that was seven years old from Mexico, who's now thirty seven.

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Speaker 3: Thirty seven years old, she's been here thirty years. They're

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Speaker 3: both illegal. I'm saying neither one of them. Because the

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Speaker 3: woman's been here thirty years and she doesn't break the

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Speaker 3: law anymore, doesn't make her now legal according to the law,

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Speaker 3: not according to me, right, but according to.

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Speaker 2: The law, she's still illegal.

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Speaker 3: So that's where compassion never competes against law. She's not

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Speaker 3: better than the Somalians and doesn't. But we treat we

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Speaker 3: do treat them differently as far as as not out

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Speaker 3: of in a way of loving the woman more, but

478
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Speaker 3: in a way of, well, we should be smart with

479
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Speaker 3: protecting us against criminals that could actually hurt us. And

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Speaker 3: if you love them the criminal, which we should, we

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Speaker 3: want to prevent them from digging into deeper sin and

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Speaker 3: sinning more as criminals. We don't want that to happen.

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Speaker 3: So I would rather him be arrested and incarcerated behind

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Speaker 3: bars under a controlled environment where he has a chance

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Speaker 3: then to hear the Gospel and not keep sinning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: The question is, then, how if you're the officer, flip

488
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Speaker 3: the scenario. The officer is now meeting the woman that's

489
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Speaker 3: been here thirty years, that hasn't heard a fly, and

490
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Speaker 3: you're an ice officer. You coming in with brute force.

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Speaker 3: You've throwing her in handcuffs. You're trying to prove a

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Speaker 3: point with her, making a political point with us. You're

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Speaker 3: in the wrong now, you're breaking God's law. That still

494
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Speaker 3: doesn't get the woman off the hook because he did

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Speaker 3: that to her. But this is the kind of impartiality

496
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Speaker 3: we have to think of as Christians. It's very difficult

497
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Speaker 3: because whatever side of the bed we roll out of

498
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Speaker 3: in the morning, we have to come in and go.

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Speaker 2: God is always right.

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Speaker 3: And this has proven itself over and over and over

501
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Speaker 3: and over. The Bible is always right. So I have

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Speaker 3: a friend, you guys known two who's what was on

503
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Speaker 3: border patrol for a long.

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Speaker 2: Time, Jesse. He texted me.

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Speaker 3: He said, I believe in the enactment and the enforcement

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Speaker 3: of laws. Not a shocking thing to hear from a

507
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Speaker 3: former patrol. That being said, the law is what dictates

508
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Speaker 3: immigration policies, and there's a difference between illegal immigration and immigration.

509
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Speaker 3: Today's society conflates the two. The distinction is critical. He says,

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Speaker 3: you could before the enforcement of law while simultaneously wanting

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Speaker 3: reform to allow more opportunity to rescue those who seek

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Speaker 3: freedoms of America.

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Speaker 2: That's a big thing to understand.

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Speaker 3: You could be for the laws of America and for

515
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Speaker 3: saying these laws aren't good enough, we need reform. But

516
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Speaker 3: until they're reformed, I still have to obey the law,

517
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Speaker 3: so it'll go well for us. Then, Jesse continues, when

518
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Speaker 3: lawmaking amending is bypassed by feelings and perceived quote fairness,

519
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Speaker 3: we make a dangerous president very similar to that problem

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Speaker 3: of us as individuals. So we do what's right in

521
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Speaker 3: our own eyes. That's a great, great text too. Yeah,

522
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Speaker 3: then we get deeper. Are we ready to go deeper?

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Speaker 3: The church as Christians be Christians structure. The church is

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Speaker 3: not the state, and the state's not the church. That

525
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Speaker 3: is highly that's a very divisive statement in itself, But

526
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Speaker 3: here's what we need to think through this Sewo Corinthians

527
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Speaker 3: five twenty. We are ambassadors for Christ, God making his

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Speaker 3: appeal through us. We implore you, on behalf of Christ,

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Speaker 3: be reconciled to God. That's our first ministry. We are

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Speaker 3: ambassadors for Christ. So before our country, before our political party,

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Speaker 3: before our emotional agenda, we are ambassadors for Christ. God

532
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Speaker 3: making is a built through us. We employ you on

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Speaker 3: behalf of be reconciled to God. So God gives this

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Speaker 3: authority of courts Romans. According to Romans thirteen, God gives

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Speaker 3: the authority to the state to restrain evil and maintain order.

536
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Speaker 3: And then God gives the church a totally different charge

537
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Speaker 3: here right according to Second Corinthians, reconcile through the Gospel.

538
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Speaker 3: That's the charge of the church. Reconcile people to God

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Speaker 3: and be the mouthpiece of God to tell, to proclaim

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Speaker 3: the Gospel. We at a Bible solity this morning, we

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Speaker 3: talked about talking about two Timothy and Paul says I

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Speaker 3: was appointed a preacher. That word that he says is

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Speaker 3: actually herald. He's appointed me a herald, And in Spanish,

544
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Speaker 3: for instance, it's heraldo. That's how that is rendered. So

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Speaker 3: a herald is someone that is the mouthpiece for the king.

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Speaker 3: He goes, He's like if you think about the old

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Speaker 3: medieval times movies where they go here, ye hear, ye,

548
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Speaker 3: thus says the king, a new law has been made.

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Speaker 3: You shall obey the law from the king.

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Speaker 2: That's the herald. That's what he does.

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Speaker 3: So Paul says, I was appointed a herald, and we

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Speaker 3: have that same ministry that we were appointed, this ministry

553
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Speaker 3: of reconciliation to herald the gospel that comes before heralding

554
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Speaker 3: the country or the law.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But when Christians confuse those two things, the state restrains

557
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Speaker 3: evil and the church heralds the gospel, bad things happen

558
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Speaker 3: because they what happens is they either demand that the

559
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Speaker 3: state preaches grace or that the church.

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Speaker 2: Enforces the law.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 3: The church could not enforce the law, and the state

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Speaker 3: is not responsible for grace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of it.

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Speaker 5: Is.

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Speaker 1: That's almost like having the.

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Speaker 4: Instead of walking between the two ditches, having the ditches

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Speaker 4: come together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, way to look at it.

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Speaker 4: And it makes the path even more narrow if if

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Speaker 4: one's trying to do.

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Speaker 1: The other's job, so is your We're not going to

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Speaker 1: be good either way?

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Speaker 5: Is your point that the local church should not suit

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Speaker 5: up in body armor and get some ars and go

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Speaker 5: and handcuffs and go tracking down illegals, because our primary

577
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Speaker 5: responsibility is to make disciples of all nations and share

578
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Speaker 5: the Gospel. And that you're saying that the government's primary

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Speaker 5: responsibility is not to proclaim, repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 5: Everybody in the United States, like, I'm just trying to

581
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Speaker 5: connect because I've always been confused by church and state.

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Speaker 3: Well, if our mission, well, we are to obey the

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Speaker 3: law insofar as we're not in sin. This is a

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Speaker 3: big This was a huge discussion in Nazi Germany, like,

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Speaker 3: well what about Rome's thirteen. Yeah, well the government is

586
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Speaker 3: in sin here. Yeah, they're telling you to sin and

587
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Speaker 3: you cannot violate that, so you're out. Then now you

588
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Speaker 3: might be breaking the law of the land, but you're

589
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Speaker 3: not breaking God's law on that. That takes discernment. That

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Speaker 3: that was very obvious in Nazi.

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Speaker 5: Germany, and those on the right would be very weary

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Speaker 5: of government overreach and prefer small government and be like,

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Speaker 5: you stay out of my business government. But then at

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Speaker 5: the same time, when it comes to enforcing something with

595
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Speaker 5: illegal immigration, where like you need to consent to the government,

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Speaker 5: you know, so it's kind of interesting, especially in the

597
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Speaker 5: conservative right, kind of those two things hanging into balance.

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Speaker 5: Desiring small government, being very weary of government overreach with

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Speaker 5: the history of the United States, but then also desiring

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Speaker 5: for them to enforce enforce strong borders. Sorry, I don't

601
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Speaker 5: know if that threw you off, but.

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Speaker 3: No, no, it's important to think through because as we

603
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Speaker 3: are ambassadors for Christ and the Gospel comes out from us,

604
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Speaker 3: we can't ever limit that to laws, because that's our ministry.

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Speaker 3: So although we can ourselves obey law, and we could

606
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Speaker 3: we could tell others that it would go well for

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Speaker 3: them to not break the law, that should none of

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Speaker 3: that should ever stop us from our first ministry of

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Speaker 3: proclaiming heralding the Gospel. And if you forget the very

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Speaker 3: first point we made that we're image bearers, then you

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Speaker 3: lose all that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm ask you this, what does it practically look

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Speaker 4: like for the true to remain the church ambassadors of

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Speaker 4: reconciliation without either baptizing state power or demanding that the

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Speaker 4: state act like the church.

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Speaker 3: So the churches over the you know, really since the Reformation,

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Speaker 3: have kind of battled out what that needs to look like.

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Speaker 3: A Roman Catholics had a you know, a very different,

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Speaker 3: a very different stance because they were the authority. And

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Speaker 3: it's interesting because there's a there's there. There are still

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Speaker 3: groups that say we are totally separated, like the Mennonites.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Marv, dear friend of mine, they stay out

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Speaker 1: of politics all together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, not not only the church as a whole,

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Speaker 3: but individually, they wouldn't be in law.

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Speaker 2: Enforcement or in city councils, the council.

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Speaker 3: And so Marv guest of this podcast, friend of this

628
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Speaker 3: podcast and just longtime brother. I asked him, because he's gonna,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna, he's going to give his ideas, and this

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Speaker 3: is what he said. He said, this is one area

631
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Speaker 3: that can get sticky for Christians that are politically involved.

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Speaker 3: He said, without without speaking of himself, without having a

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Speaker 3: foot in government and a foot in the church, I

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Speaker 3: could focus fully on loving them as my neighbor and

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Speaker 3: sharing the gospel.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 3: I know that Paul exercising his rights as a Roman

638
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Speaker 3: is often put forth as an example, but it was

639
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Speaker 3: never at the expense of sharing the Gospel. And I

640
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Speaker 3: think these verses sum it up very well. He's talking

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Speaker 3: about First Corinthians nine sixteen to twenty three, He says,

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Speaker 3: for I preached the gospel. This is Paul talking. For

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Speaker 3: I preached the gospel. That gives me no ground for boasting,

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Speaker 3: for necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if

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Speaker 3: I do not preach the gospel. For if I do

646
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Speaker 3: this of my own, will I have a reward. But

647
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Speaker 3: if not my own will I am still entrusted with

648
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Speaker 3: the stewardship. Then what is my of my reward? That

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Speaker 3: in my preaching I may present the Gospel free of charge,

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Speaker 3: so as to not make full so it does not

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Speaker 3: make full use of my right in the Gospel. For

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Speaker 3: though I am free from all, I have made myself

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Speaker 3: a servant to all, that I might win more of them.

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Speaker 3: To the Jews, I become a Jew in order to

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Speaker 3: win Jews to those under the law. I've become one

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00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: under the law, though not myself, being under the law,

657
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Speaker 3: that I might win those who are under the law.

658
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: To those outside the law. I became as one outside

659
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: the law, not that I am outside the law of God,

660
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: but under the law of Christ, that I might win

661
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: those outside the law. To the weak ones, I became

662
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: weak that I might win the week. I have become

663
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Speaker 3: all things to all people that by all means I

664
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: might save some. I do all for the sake of

665
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: the Gospel that I might share with them and its blessings.

666
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: There are stories and even in our American history of

667
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: African American Christians that sold themselves into slavery in Jamaica

668
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: to share the Gospel with the Jamaicans.

669
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Speaker 2: That's one example. I was just reading.

670
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, talk about living out one Corinthians nine. There have

671
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: been people that have sold themselves into slavery to preach

672
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: the gospel to the slaves. Patrick's an example of this

673
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: in the fourth century. Well, we tend to think of

674
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: Saint Patrick as you know the March seventeenth leprechaun guy

675
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: drinking green beer. Patrick was and it was an amazing saint,

676
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: an amazing story, and he would not have spoken of

677
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: himself in that way.

678
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: He's talked of himself as the lowliest of the low.

679
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: And he was taken captive and brought into slavery in Ireland.

680
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: From England, he escaped, went back to England and was

681
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: overwhelmed with the idea that he needed to go back

682
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: and sell himself back into it in order to preach

683
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: back to those people. The gospel because that's what mattered

684
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 3: above everything else to him.

685
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 6: What an encouragement to us, like goy that makes me

686
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 6: feel horrible. They're literally selling their sauce and back into slavery,

687
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 6: slavery to preach the gospel. And I'm thinking of my mind,

688
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 6: did I even tell anybody the gospel this week?

689
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

690
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: Like here in my safe, comfortable United States of America, Like,

691
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 6: you know, I needed to step up my game.

692
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: The word does that kind of convicting with all of us?

693
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

694
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Speaker 6: So I had a question about primary postor being to

695
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 6: be a gospel witness. How do you do that with criminals?

696
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Speaker 6: Because many times in this episode we said love, love

697
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 6: your neighbors, yourself. We should love criminals as we should,

698
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 6: is what you said. We're supposed to be a gospel witness,

699
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 6: We're supposed to preach the gospel. How do you do

700
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 6: that to somebody that is here or that's leaving because

701
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 6: they were they were captured. How do you love them

702
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: and be a gospel witness when they killed one hundred

703
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: and ten babies?

704
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: The loving thing to do to a criminal?

705
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: And I think we're not talking about illegal immigrant woman

706
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: that you know that cleans houses in San Antonio. That's

707
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: been doing that twenty five right, that's not quite what

708
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: we're saying.

709
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Speaker 6: You're talking about like I'm talking about like federal prison

710
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 6: hardcore murder. Yeah, like trafficking, killing babies.

711
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Speaker 3: The loving thing to do to love your neighbor with

712
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: that man is to have him arrested and under just

713
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: penalty of the civil law, because it is that's the

714
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: only chance he has to stop sinning, to stop digging

715
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: the hole deeper, to be incarcerated, and even if he's

716
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: on death row, to be put in an isolated situation

717
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: to then hear the gospel. That is the most loving thing,

718
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: the most loving thing to do to a sinner is

719
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Speaker 3: get him to stop sinning.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, that makes complete sense.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

722
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So don't because I think, yeah, I think that's

723
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Speaker 6: the biggest question for a lot of people. It's like,

724
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Speaker 6: make sure that they are sent away for good, but

725
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: there's a there's a follow up to that, which is cool,

726
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 6: make sure they're sent away, but Lord willing, they hear

727
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 6: the gospel in their cell, they have a Bible in

728
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 6: their cell, and they come to know Jesus.

729
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't lose that compassion like you see them,

730
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Speaker 5: not as somebody who Man, I can't wait for that

731
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: guy for what he's done. He's gonna rotten.

732
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Speaker 1: Hell.

733
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Speaker 5: God's gonna judge him because look at everything that he deserves.

734
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: And then you just the posture of the Christian is just,

735
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: oh God, I deserve. How bad a punishment do I deserve?

736
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 5: For all of my sins? We all know inwardly how

737
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 5: wicked our hearts are. If our hearts and our minds

738
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Speaker 5: played on a projector our thoughts for the last twenty

739
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 5: years of our life in view of a stadium, how

740
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Speaker 5: awful would people know that? Truly I am so. The

741
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: posture is, yes, enforce the law. The penalty for their

742
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: law is hopefully to bring their soul to repentance, you know,

743
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 5: and then preach the Gospel as you enact the law,

744
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: and then but not dehumanizing them and thinking that, I mean, truly,

745
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 5: that you're any better.

746
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Speaker 6: One of my favorite stories is the thief on the Cross,

747
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 6: and the law was obviously enforced with him for whatever

748
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 6: he did, because he was on the cross to be

749
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 6: put to death and he was saved the last second.

750
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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, some object objections that people would have. I

751
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: want to kind of get your thoughts on these. So,

752
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: starting the first one, if you really loved immigrants, you

753
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't support ice or enforcement at all.

754
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's great that we just talked about it. So

755
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: what Tyler saying is, what's the loving thing to do

756
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: to a hardened criminal? Have them incarcerated. Have you guys seen,

757
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: by chance that crazy prison in El Salvador. Oh, man,

758
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: y'all gotta find this on YouTube. There's documentaries about this.

759
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Speaker 3: El Salvador created this prison. That's the hardest. You got

760
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: heard of this got heard of this. It's the craziest prison.

761
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Speaker 3: I forget the name.

762
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: Of it, SUTs.

763
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Speaker 3: You look it up a dog, but it is crazy

764
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Speaker 3: and it is so locked down. It's the it's the

765
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: most secure prison in the world. But the gangs that

766
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: what's that? That gang that's like that Latin American gang

767
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: that's crazy. That thirteen something, what was it MS thirteen. Yeah,

768
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: all the leaders of MS thirteen, they're all in there.

769
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Speaker 3: The crime has gone down Thel Salvador at.

770
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Speaker 2: A crazy rate because of this prison. Because of this prison.

771
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Speaker 3: It's so scary that no one wants to go there,

772
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: and so they do. In the documentary, there's this there's

773
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: a section in there. They're all in there here in

774
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: the gospel, these these Ms thirteen gang leaders with the

775
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: with all covered and tattoos, with tear drops all down

776
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: their face and their prison garments, sitting there listen to

777
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: a man, what's the Bible telling them about Jesus? How

778
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: else would they here if they weren't taken out of

779
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: their sin and put in this isolated incarceration. That's the

780
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: most loving thing to do, right. So the question how

781
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: could you love immigrants and support ICE is how would

782
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: that pret What agency or organization is there to enforce

783
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: taking the criminal away from the sin that he's in.

784
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: It has to be somebody. Is there going to be

785
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: local law enforcement, local sheriffs, you should it seems practical

786
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: to have an agency that does it. Therefore we have ICE.

787
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: And then you flip the coin and you go. And

788
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: if you're an ICE agent, you've been given a great responsibility. Yes,

789
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: you better use this responsibility that you've been given, and

790
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: you better show compassion while upholding the law at the

791
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 3: same time, because if you go in ruthless and make

792
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: stupid decisions or or use bad judgment, then you need

793
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: you will pay for that.

794
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: This is the narrow.

795
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: Path narrow path for sure. Another one it's called.

796
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Speaker 5: It's called the Terrorism Confinement Center CENTRO. Well, yeah, the

797
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 5: Spanish acronym is CenTra is a Seacott Seacott call it

798
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: up to forty thousand inmates. El Salvador's government under President

799
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Speaker 5: naib Ul, launched the crackdown in twenty twenty two after

800
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Speaker 5: a wave of gang violence. Tens of thousands of suspected

801
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 5: gang members have been arrested and held in the facilities.

802
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would never work in the US because there

803
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: would be protest.

804
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 5: A med A nation, they had a nationwide state of

805
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 5: emergency because there was so much gang related violence there.

806
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Speaker 5: One MS thirteen.

807
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Speaker 3: Seacott comes in there. They get fed probergill like this.

808
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: They get fed like eight hundred calories a day or

809
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: something crazy low, and it's all like flower and no protein.

810
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: It's it's basically rice and bread eight hunder calaries. So

811
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: they're all super skinny and they have no protein and

812
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: no energy on purpose part of their punishment.

813
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 4: These people who say, or someone who would say little

814
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Speaker 4: Bitticus only applies to legal immigrants, so Christians don't owe

815
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: anything to undocumented people. I think I didn't read that

816
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: part that we owe nothing to undocumented people.

817
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Did we read that in the Bible?

818
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: All of us at some point were undocumented?

819
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: Of course.

820
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's the other side of the ditch.

821
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Speaker 3: That's using that's using law without compassion without love.

822
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and kind of saying that Romans thirteen means Christians

823
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 4: to support whatever Ice does without question.

824
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Speaker 2: Yeah, alutely of course not. Of course not.

825
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Law breaking never infringes upon compassion, and compassion should never

826
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Speaker 3: become lawbreaking.

827
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Speaker 1: How do we do in a lose lose conversation about this?

828
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: I think people are still mad.

829
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of what people may have heard. Yeah,

830
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

831
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to Also, and if you listened

832
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: or watched all the way to the end here, did

833
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 4: you take it all?

834
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: Energy? Only take parts? Which is what we do so

835
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Speaker 1: much with.

836
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Speaker 4: Well with this topic, is that we're only given a

837
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: little slivers of what is happening.

838
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Speaker 1: We're not given the overall picture. We're only given a

839
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Speaker 1: little bit of this here, And I'm going to use this.

840
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: It'll incite people for this, and this will get the

841
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: other side, and this little piece will get the other side.

842
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I think I think we have to

843
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: stand firm and say that that Christians don't have the

844
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: luxury of panic, yeah, or our cruelty or tribalism. Yeah, oh,

845
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: we don't have a luxury. We have to be impartial

846
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: and we have to stand for them.

847
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: We have to.

848
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: We can't outsource oppression to governments, or we can't outsource

849
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: over loving compassion to the governments. That's on us. And

850
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: we also don't get to pretend that law doesn't matter.

851
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: We don't get any of those. We're set free from

852
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: all that with the gospel.

853
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: From the Gospel.

854
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: We're set free in christ We're set free from panic

855
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 3: and anxiety and lack of self control and worry and

856
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: reliance on a government.

857
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: Civil entity, rely on that stuff.

858
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: We know that God appointed them for our good, and

859
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: we know that we must obey because things will go

860
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 3: well for us. That is such an obvious thing. Obey

861
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: the law and things will go well for you. Don't

862
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: speed and you're not gonna get pulled over, and then

863
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: you're not gonna have to pay a crazy fine, and

864
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: you do not have to go to the d m

865
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Speaker 3: V and stand in line. Things will go well for

866
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: you if you just go the speed limit but I

867
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: don't like the speed limit. Then we could work on

868
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: reforming that. But in the meantime, go the speed limit. Hey.

869
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Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes I get preaching on this on this podcast

870
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: and I forget to mention that I live inside this world.

871
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Speaker 2: I'm I speed.

872
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: Sometimes I break thinking and I go, oh, I gotta.

873
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: I have to reel myself back in, so I'm not

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Speaker 3: I don't ever want to speak on your like. I'm

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Speaker 3: the guy that knows it all. I know what the

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Speaker 3: Bible says, and then I have to then adapt the

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Speaker 3: way I act to this because I know this is.

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Speaker 1: Right, same for us all.

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Speaker 3: We have spoken a couple of times that we're set

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Speaker 3: free from this gospel, and then we know. We've also

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Speaker 3: spoken that Paul was appointed as a herald of the gospel,

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Speaker 3: and this gospel is We have this podcast called ninety

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Speaker 3: nine for one I'm seeking the one That's lost. We

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Speaker 3: don't ever want an episode to go by without reminding

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Speaker 3: people that the Gospel is an offer to all people.

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Speaker 3: It goes out and is proclaimed to all people. Not

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Speaker 3: all people will respond, but that does not negate the

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Speaker 3: fact that we proclaim it to all, and that message

889
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Speaker 3: is that Christ came to die for sinners, and that

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Speaker 3: all that turned to him would be forgiven because of

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Speaker 3: his sacrifice. Not because of what you've done, but because

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Speaker 3: of your faith and your trust and him and what

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Speaker 3: he did on the cross, you will be forgiven. And

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Speaker 3: those that believe that with faith in that, their faith

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Speaker 3: shows itself up in good works. Not because the good

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Speaker 3: works create the faith, but good faith that's alive is

897
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Speaker 3: always active. Right, look to Christ and be saved. Turn

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Speaker 3: from your sin, Turn to Christ and you will be saved. God,

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Speaker 3: I love this, spurgeon said. God Jesus has never denied

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Speaker 3: center that has come to him, and he will not

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Speaker 3: start with you. All who come to Him will be saved.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 3: You got a book over there, appropriately titled Narrow Gate,

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Speaker 3: Narrow Way Cool.

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Speaker 1: Paul Washer wrote this book.

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Speaker 3: We do a book giveaway every time here and this

907
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Speaker 3: book is a whopping fifty pages, like half pages the

908
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: small and they're small and there's small pages. In fact,

909
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Speaker 3: mine's all marked up. I need to find one that's

910
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Speaker 3: not marked up. But man, it's such a good book.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening right now. What we do is these

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Speaker 3: book giveaways. We want to be able to mail a

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Speaker 3: book out for every episode and This doesn't necessarily have

914
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Speaker 3: to be something you read.

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Speaker 2: I hope you read it, but it could also.

916
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Speaker 3: Be something you share, or you get four of them

917
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Speaker 3: on Amazon for six books or where they are and

918
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Speaker 3: pass them out to your friends. It's a great little book,

919
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Speaker 3: Narrow Gate, Narrowway, Paul Washer, and it is understanding the

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Speaker 3: gospel in all in all all ways. So how what's

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Speaker 3: the what should they comment below on the YouTube channel?

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Narrow?

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Speaker 1: Narrow? Just narrow?

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Speaker 3: I like to look on there though and see comments

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Speaker 3: that actually encourage me.

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Speaker 2: So how about seek the narrow Way?

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Speaker 1: That's good? Does it need to be hashtaged?

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Speaker 2: No, Seek the narrow Way.

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Speaker 4: It's the beginning or the end of whatever. You're right,

931
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Speaker 4: and maybe that's all you write.

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Speaker 3: I want people that haven't listened yet to go to

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Speaker 3: the episode and look on the comments and a bunch

934
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Speaker 3: of people saying, right.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 5: It really is a good book. You guys should really

937
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Speaker 5: read that one.

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Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite books.

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Speaker 3: Yeah have you read this yet yet?

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Speaker 1: No?

941
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Speaker 6: Well, I'll will get you one too, because you're gonna

942
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Speaker 6: love it. It's super easy. Yeah, even if you win.

943
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Speaker 6: Everybody should just go to Amazon. It's like, what's and

944
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Speaker 6: just getting this very.

945
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Speaker 3: Cheap the yeah, narrowgate narrowway comment below. So wherever you're

946
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Speaker 3: listening right now, go to run over to our YouTube

947
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Speaker 3: page which is ninety nine for one the podcast that's

948
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Speaker 3: right on YOUTUBEI go ahead.

949
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Speaker 2: And have to hit that subscribe, dude, that would be nice.

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Speaker 1: And what was the what was the comment.

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Speaker 2: Again, comment seek the narrow Way?

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go, seek the Narrowway.

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Speaker 2: Many comments read Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I got one from last week's sorry closed out here.

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Speaker 4: This is good. Thank you for always talking. Last week

956
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Speaker 4: we were talking about online church. Thank you for always talking

957
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Speaker 4: about this stuff out I have learned so much in

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Speaker 4: the couple of years that I have been watching.

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Speaker 1: This is Melissa.

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Speaker 4: She says, I live in North Phoenix area and was

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Speaker 4: a member of a megachurch for many years. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: until we went through a major crisis with family that

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Speaker 4: my eyes were open to know what a healthy church

964
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Speaker 4: looked like. By the Holy Spirit, through you, we have

965
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Speaker 4: now been attending a smaller church that preaches by exposition.

966
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Speaker 4: I have grown so much in the last year. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for teaching me. Love you guys A man. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's the one for this one. That's say one yeah

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Speaker 4: for anyone.

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Speaker 3: Else, I would love to hear from you. I'd love

971
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Speaker 3: to hear where you're listening from. So comment below your

972
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Speaker 3: name and where you're listening from, and a man will

973
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Speaker 3: read that and then little tease. On next week, we're

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Speaker 3: going to bring Marshall Canalis in here, nice former guest

975
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Speaker 3: of the Granger Smith podcast, and we're going to discuss

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Speaker 3: something that was we got a lot of comments from

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Speaker 3: on the last one because we kind of teased.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Are small groups actually hurting the fellowship in your local church?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: The comments are firing up right now and I can

982
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Speaker 3: feel it because our small groups actually hurting you. And

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Speaker 3: I'm and I need to clarify, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 3: small groups. I'm talking about small groups all one word,

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Speaker 3: as said in America small groups. My church has small groups.

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Speaker 3: Is that actually hurting your fellowship? Marshall's going to come

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Speaker 3: in talk about that, Lord Willing on the next episode.

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Speaker 2: See you guys, yege