1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Tommy Di Dario, Corbin Bessin man. He may be one 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: of the coolest dudes that I've had in my studio. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Just by being in his orbit, I feel like I 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: gained I don't know, twenty more cool points because the 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: dude is a vibe now my man. Corbin is a 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: singer songwriter who co founded the wildly popular boy band 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Why Don't We at just seventeen years old. He then 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: went on to a stratospheric rise, and that included chart 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: climbing hits and headlining arena tours all around the world. 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the man became a moment. Now he is 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: in his solo era with a DEBUTEP called head First 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: that has been highly anticipated. The vibe it does feel good. 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: It's R and B meets pop with vocals that are smooth, 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: the smooth, the smooth. His music makes you feel something. 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: He's truly such a talented guy and just good vibes 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: all around. This conversation, it's gonna leave you smiling and 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna get to know Corbin on his own. So 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: let's see if today we can get Corbin to say 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: something that he has never said before. Corbin, Man, how 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: you doing, Tommy? How are you fantastic? Do you just 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: walk around looking this cool all the time? 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate you. 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: I try, help me give you the time. Man. 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: The secret is uh, shiny things. I think, Yeah, it's 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. I always have necklaces on and I've 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: been wearing a lot more sunglasses recently. But I appreciate 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: the compliment. Man. I tried today. I tried today for you, so. 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: You put together. I like when a guest walks in 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: if you have glasses on, I could still see the eyes. 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of yeah, yeah, you're looking jack 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: too well. 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, man. I try What am I eating? What 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: am I not eating? High protein diet? Brother? But stopping 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: This isn't about me. You have a lot going on 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: in your life, A new EP coming on out. You're 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: somebody I'm very impressed by you, man, because you've had 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: such a career, right, and I feel like you put 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: in the work over a long period of time and 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: thinking about way back when when you were just starting 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: kind of uploading your own music and using what was 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: it called you now? Yeah? Now, right, like putting all 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: that stuff online and that's such a throwback, such a 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: throwback and before obviously, why don't we happen that's what 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: you were doing. So what do you think that version 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: of you would say about this guy here today. 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 2: I've thought about that quite a bit, and to be honest, 48 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: I don't really know other than just like keep going, 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: just like keep I guess the biggest piece of advice 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: I would maybe give my younger self, even my band self, 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: is like trust your gut and don't be afraid to 52 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: speak your mind. I think there was a long time 53 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: in this industry and in my career where I was 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: like afraid to speak my mind for many many reasons 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: that we don't have to get into, but I think 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: it's it's always important to just like talk about how 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: you feel. And I wish I would have done more 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: of that, but you got to learn the hard way 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: sometimes and I've definitely learned the hard way. But we're 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: here now, and like, I think, everything, everything that I've 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: done so far in my life, even all the way 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: back to twelve years old when I started playing guitar, 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: has like led to me sitting here across from you today, 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: which I just I think is cool when you look 65 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: at it that way. 66 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's cool to be at a place in 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: your life and your career where you do feel like 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: you can speak your mind and see what you want 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: to say. Yeah. 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very different now than it was. Yeah. 71 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Well let's rewind a bit, so back 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen, right, how did forming Why don't we 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: even happen? It was kind of like a spontaneous thing. Yeah. 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: It was like I was a solo artist and I 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: was doing stuff on social media. On you now. I 76 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: can't believe you brought up you now. That's so funny. 77 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: That's the biggest throwback ever for those of you that 78 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: don't know. You know, it was a live streaming platform 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: that like pre twitch pre everything. 80 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: Different from MySpace for the people who remember my Space. 81 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: Okay, but I wasn't on my stage. 82 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, before your before your time, but it was 83 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: it was streaming what you were doing. 84 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can make a little money if you 85 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: had enough like followers on there and whatever. Anyway, it's crazy. 86 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: So I had like a little bit of a following, 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: and then I had met some of the band guys 88 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: through other like social media tours at the time. This 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: wasn't like mag Con was popping off and like Shawn Mendez, 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: you know, came out of out of mag Con and 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: became Shawn Mendez that we all know in love today, 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Cameron Dallas even like who else was on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 93 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: they had a time. And so there were other tours 94 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: that were kind of like that, and me and some 95 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 2: of the band guys had done some of those together. 96 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: And then eventually it was like one of the guys 97 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: knew a guy who knew a guy that wanted to 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: make a boy band, and he like called us all 99 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: up and was like, are you guys down? And I 100 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: haven't said it this way in a long time, so 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: this is gonna be really funny. It was basically like 102 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: why don't we make a band? That was our classic line. 103 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: It's so funny. I said that in I don't know, 104 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: six years maybe. 105 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, and that's just how it happened. 106 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was super spontaneous. We did like a little 107 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: audition and but it was like one song, like a 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: two song audition, and they liked us and we just 109 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: the rest is history. 110 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty amazing that there were a spontaneous 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: conversation you got you got together with these dudes, and 112 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: you know fast swart of creating your first album, which 113 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: became a Billboard Top ten hit. It did. Yeah, I 114 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: like that just doesn't happen, you know that? 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: Right? 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: Was that surreal to be like, wait a minute, how 117 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: did I go from streaming my own stuff on a 118 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: platform so getting together with some dudes to now having 119 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: a top ten hit? 120 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 121 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: It was. 122 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: There were so many moments, man, And it's like, even today, 123 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: I still come across those that in particular, though I 124 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: don't remember if at the time I really realized the 125 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: weight of it. I think like I was maybe twenty 126 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: years old when that happened. Maybe I was twenty one. 127 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: I think I was twenty And at twenty years old, 128 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: you think you know everything, which is which is funny. 129 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: I turned twenty seven in ten days, I think, and 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: being twenty six durning twenty seven, I look back at 131 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: even like twenty three year old me, twenty four year 132 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: old me, and I'm like, I don't I don't even 133 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: know who that guy is. Like it's and maybe that's 134 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: like an early mid twenties thing, like you kind of 135 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: just you grow up quite a bit but yeah, I 136 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: reminisced sometimes and I'm like, wow, that was that was 137 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: actually crazy. 138 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: H it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen, right. It's hard 139 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: sometimes when you're growing up and when you're in the 140 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: machine of it all, you're just kind of like, I 141 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: gotta keep going, and what's next and what does that mean? 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: For what happens after being a top ten Billboard Hot 143 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: one under artists. You just want to keep going. Yeah, 144 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: for sure, you know, did you ever feel like at 145 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: any point it would be taken away from you? No? 146 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: I didn't think it would be taken away. I thought 147 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: that eventually, eventually we would go our separate ways. I think, 148 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: like every most bands have a shelf life at some point, 149 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of an inevitable truth that like, 150 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: at some point each member kind of, you know, wants 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: to go and explore other things and music. But the 152 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: way everything went down, I was not prepared for, if 153 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: that's what you're kind of referring to. 154 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, So for everyone listening there, what you guys 155 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: decided going hiatus? You all want your own ways? How 156 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: did you emotionally handle that at the time? 157 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: I don't even remember. It was a whirlwind bro it 158 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: was yah. I was kind of it was a slow 159 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: burn but a quick explosion, So it was like I 160 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: was kind of prepared for it mentally, but it like 161 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: when they actually came, I was like, Wow, I'm really 162 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm really gonna go do my own thing now. And 163 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: but I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing, so I think I 164 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: just I'm also like a pretty positive person in general, 165 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: and I try to look at the silver lining in 166 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: every situation. So I think my kind of intention was 167 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I do best, and that's like 168 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: be myself. And you know, I liked to consider myself 169 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: a leader of that group, and I was like, you 170 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: know what, I can do this now. It became a 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: journey after all of that. It became a journey of 172 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: self discovery, and I pretty quickly realized like, I don't 173 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: actually know if I know who I am outside of 174 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: this group, and so for the first year of making 175 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: solo music, I was like, I think I ended up 176 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: just kind of playing it safe and just like searching 177 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: for comfort in music because so much of my life 178 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: had been uncomfortable at the time, and then that kind 179 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: of led me eventually to work with a few people 180 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: that were like, we need to just break out of 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: the comfort zone and just like try some new stuff 182 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: and like see how far we can push it. And 183 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: that is how I eventually landed on my EP head first, 184 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: which is coming so journey of self discovery in your 185 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: early mid twenties, your world starts falling apart. And thankfully 186 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 2: I had my mom in La so I had a 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: lot of conversations with her just how to even tackle, 188 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: you know, the idea of trying to be I think 189 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: it was the idea of trying to be somebody as 190 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: an individual person who is as big as the what 191 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: the group was, or like the idea of what the 192 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: group was, you know, because you're when you're in a band, 193 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: you're a piece of it. So like learning to figure 194 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: that out was definitely a little bit of a challenge. 195 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a good life lesson too, because so 196 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: many of us go through times in our lives where 197 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: we're caught off guard by something happening and something that 198 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: was what we thought was great is kind of taken away. 199 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Like I've been on shows before that ended out of 200 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: nowhere and it's just like wow, like what does this 201 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: mean for me right now? And how am I going 202 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: to pivot? Were you surprised when this happened? Like, did 203 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: this kind of take you off guard as well? 204 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah a little bit because it just like 205 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: I said, it was quick explosions. Yeah, it happened very fast, 206 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: and there's like all of a sudden we were What's 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: crazy is me and the guys weren't all even together 208 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: in the same room when we like made the call 209 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: to like announce our hiatus. I think Jack and Zach 210 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: were in like Philly, or they were in Pennsylvania, or 211 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: they were somewhere and they were on like a little 212 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: like lake house vacation with some friends and me, Daniel 213 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: and Jonah, we're in LA And I just remember it 214 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: being oh and they didn't even they didn't have service, 215 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: so they were like an hour and a half late 216 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: to the that we were like the zoom call that 217 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: we were having. It was just a crazy like didn't 218 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: feel real at the time. We were like, wow, is 219 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: this really? Like, uh, is this really where we're going 220 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: from here? And lo and behold here we are. No, 221 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: But I think it was for the better, to be honest, 222 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: I think like, after all of it, I'm very glad 223 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: to be doing this now at the age I am now, 224 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: and at like the place that I am as a person. 225 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: Then you know, have like maybe tried to stick it 226 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: out for the sake of sticking it out for you know, 227 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: two or three more years and maybe signing a new 228 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: contract and you know, hoping that it would work. I think, 229 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: like very glad to be doing this by myself. Now. 230 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: I get to keep my own little tight team, and 231 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: I get to keep my friends close, and I get 232 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: to like enjoy it a bit more because it like 233 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: comes directly from me and it's but it does require 234 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: a little bit more validation, I think. 235 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 236 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the group you can kind of you know, 237 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: shrug off some of either the positive or the negative 238 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: and you know, put it different places. But it is 239 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: an interesting thing to be like at the center of 240 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: it all. 241 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've talked to many artists who have similar journeys 242 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: and experiences, and one of them is a gal named 243 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Leanne who was part of the group Little Mix. Oh yeah, 244 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: when they broke up, she was telling me it felt 245 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: like in a way she had to start from the 246 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: ground up again, Like, yes, she had built in fandom 247 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: from a Little Mix, but they're not used to her 248 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: as the solo artist. Yeah, I feel the same way, right, 249 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, here I am, this is what 250 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: I offer on my own. I hope you'll come along 251 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: now on this journey with me. And I'm sure that's 252 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: part of what you have been feeling with this new EP. 253 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And the music I dropped, So this 254 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: EP is very different, I think, sonically than anything that 255 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: I dropped in twenty twenty four. And twenty twenty four 256 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: is when I debuted, and my first solo record was 257 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: a song called Love Me Better, which was supposed to 258 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: be a why Don't We saw and I took it, 259 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: put my spin on it, and put it out. And 260 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: then I dropped a couple records that kind of felt 261 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 2: like they could have been. And I don't mean to 262 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: down talk my own music, because I do love those songs. 263 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: I just think to compare it to what's coming with 264 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: the EP, I think they're in they're in two different 265 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: worlds and I think it's kind of a testament to, 266 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: like again, self discovery, Like you can hear it pretty 267 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: blatantly in the music. And Yeah, like I said, I 268 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: think I was searching for comfort. I was like, what 269 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: would people want to hear from me, you know, and 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: it was like, hey, why don't we end it? Like 271 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop why don't we use next single? And 272 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: it would be nostalgic And the song was about it's 273 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: called love Me Better, so it was about loving yourself 274 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: better and wanting better for yourself. So the message I 275 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: think was very accurate for the time, and it did well. 276 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: It actually did really well. People really liked it. But 277 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: after a little while, I was like, is this really 278 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: what I want to do? Right, you know? And it 279 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: took going through the other side of it till I 280 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: kind of break open the door and be like, you 281 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: know what, actually I don't think this is what I 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: want to do. And thankfully I had people who on 283 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: my team and even my fans that were like and 284 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: have been gracious enough to like give me the time 285 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: to figure that out for myself, you know, and stick 286 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: along the way. And I've had a company that's my label, 287 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: will BMG, that's just been with me through it all 288 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: and they signed me the day after my deal with 289 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: Why Don't We ended, which was crazy. So day after 290 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: the contract expired, I signed my deal there and that 291 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: was like it was like right before Christmas, I mean 292 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: twenty yeah, September, end of September twenty twenty three, I think, No, 293 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: it was twenty three. So that was a nice little 294 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: Christmas present. 295 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little nuts from the universe saying you're on 296 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the right path. What a freeing thing to come to 297 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the realization that the song you did put out is 298 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: one you like, like you said, and has a great message, 299 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: but maybe not the song you would have chosen today. Yeah, 300 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: and sure you were just wanting to make sure the 301 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: people who have followed you and supported you felt still 302 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: like they were part of something that they were familiar with. 303 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you have to 304 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: honor what you want to put out. 305 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 306 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it means a lot to you. 307 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: And it's an interesting place to be as an artist 308 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: to think about music from both perspectives, right, because I 309 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: always want to put out stuff that people want to 310 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: hear from me, you know, and I always want to 311 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: put out stuff that's going to make people feel good 312 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: and you know, music that my fans can find themselves in. 313 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part of the beauty 314 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: of music. And I think what the greatest artists of 315 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: all of our generations have done is create songs that 316 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: people can get lost in, or people can, like I said, 317 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: find themselves in, or find peace in, or find fun, 318 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: you know. And I think there's something really special about 319 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: sharing an experience as an artist and maybe looking at 320 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: it from the perspective of someone else who might be 321 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: going through that, and explaining it in a way that 322 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: like is relatable or like comes from your heart, and 323 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: then having somebody else be like I've been through that 324 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: exact same thing. And that's why I fucking love this song. 325 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: Sorry if I don't know, if. 326 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm Italian, nothing is awful. 327 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: Sometimes one slips. I just got to make yeah, And 328 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: I think that's that's the beauty of music. Music is 329 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: the universal language. 330 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 331 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: I always try to come at my music from from 332 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: that perspectives. I want to tell my story, and I 333 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: think there's a time and place to tell my story 334 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: because people thankfully want to hear it, which is really dope. 335 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: But I think I'll always want to make music that's 336 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: like fun and makes you want to dance. It's like 337 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: my main goal right now is to make people want 338 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: to dance. 339 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a dance. 340 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: There's not enough people dancing right now. 341 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: We need a dance that's awesome and good on you, 342 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's very clear to me that while you're 343 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: in this new chapter of your life and you're only 344 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: embracing the solo era, you do very much respect and 345 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: appreciate everything that got you to this point. Yeah. Yeah, 346 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: you hold that close. And yeah, you hold your your 347 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: former members of Why Don't We close, and you know, 348 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: your fans close, and the music that you made it 349 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: at different times close because it all got you here, right. 350 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I think it would be foolish 351 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: to try to erase all of that. There was so 352 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 2: much good that happened, and like, even though some of 353 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: it went down kind of negatively, it's a it's a 354 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: big part of my life. I mean, that's seventeen to 355 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: twenty three, I think. 356 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: Pivotal years. 357 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you do a lot of growing up 358 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: in those years, and even after those years, you still 359 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: do a lot of growing up. But yeah, I like reminiscing, man, 360 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: It's like it was one of those things that not 361 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: everybody gets to do. And I love those days. There's 362 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: a lot of really good memories. 363 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, you have such a positive outlook. 364 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: You can take the good even when there maybe it 365 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: wasn't always good. You can appreciate the good and yeah 366 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: and keep that close. 367 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm ready to make so many more 368 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: good memories. 369 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you will. You will for the rest of 370 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: your life. That's the beautiful thing. And relationships are always 371 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: interesting dynamics, right, whether it's romantic, whether it's friends. I 372 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: talk about this a lot on my show because it's 373 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating thing to me, Like people are 374 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: in your lives at different reasons, and they play a 375 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: part and maybe they're not as close as you once were, 376 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: and that's life. That's we all deal with that. I mean, 377 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: that's life. But it doesn't mean you don't hold memories 378 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: super close. So like that brotherhood specifically, what does that 379 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: mean to you, like even today. 380 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just the memories. It's it's like we 381 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: did so much stuff that like nobody gets to do 382 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: with anybody, you know. It's like a very specific thing 383 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: for the five of us. And I go through my 384 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: phone sometimes and we'll look at like old camera roll stuff, 385 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: like sometimes we text if there's like if a memory 386 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: comes up and it was like something super funny that 387 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: we all you know, laugh, about from time to time, 388 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: but I, yeah, I hold all those memories close and 389 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: I just want to do all of that stuff again. 390 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: I think it'll be really interesting to be able to 391 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: kind of do a lot of the things that I 392 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: did in a group by myself now and to kind 393 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: of compare I guess the way it feels, or like 394 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 2: the intensity or you know, the pressure or just anything 395 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: that came with like being an artist and being a 396 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: touring artist and stuff like that. I'm interested to see 397 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: how that goes as as a solo artist because I 398 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: haven't toured yet and I'll be touring next year. Yeah, 399 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be really fun. I'm most excited 400 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: for It's kind of a lie. I'm pretty excited for it, 401 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: but I don't know if I'm most excited. But having 402 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: the king bed in the back of the bus, yes, 403 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: instead of the coffin bunk besides, yeah, we used to 404 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: always bunk man. 405 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: I'd be like Loki man. 406 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the bustle rocky to sleep. It's I don't know 407 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: what it is. Depends on your driver, though. We did 408 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: have a driver one time that was like you know, 409 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: when they go on the pedal like this, yeah, and 410 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: like you sleep with your feet obviously towards the front 411 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: of the bus because the bus stops really hard. You 412 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 2: don't want to break your neck in the bunk. Uh. 413 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: It's one of those where it's like my feet would 414 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: always just be hitting the wall. Dude, just you don't 415 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: got to do that. He fixed it after we talked. 416 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: To him that you better have like a chiropractor. 417 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: But they are tough, man, that you can't fully sit 418 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: up in them unless you're a little hunched over. But 419 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: we were young, our bodies were malleable, and uh, we 420 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: made it work. But I am very excited for the 421 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: big the big bed in the back of the bus. 422 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: I've never experienced that. 423 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: Pretty king status. That's awesome. I love that. So you 424 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: are embracing this big solo chapter of your career. What 425 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: is a lesson from your days with the guys that 426 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: you're carrying with you into this solo era. You learned 427 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: this lesson. 428 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: I think truthfully I kind of said it earlier, but 429 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: just like trusting my gut yeah, but also yeah yeah yeah, 430 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: but also like not being afraid to ask for advice 431 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: as well. You know, I think there's there's kind of 432 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: a fine line because when you ask for advice in 433 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: too many places you can. You can cloud your vision, 434 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: you know. But towards towards the end of the group, 435 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: I learned to start trusting my gut a bit more, 436 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: and I think carrying that into this and just like 437 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: being confident, you know, and and understanding like I am 438 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: who I am and and that's good enough. And it's 439 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: actually great because people people seem to like me, which 440 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: is such a blessing, and and it's cool and it 441 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: feels weird to say out loud sometimes, but it's yeah, 442 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: I was I was pretty to do this. And I 443 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: think just focusing on myself looking forward, I am who. 444 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: I am, and that's good enough. That's a good message 445 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: for all of us to remember any career, in any life. 446 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, in life in general, easier said than done. 447 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah sure. And progress Yeah, progress, that's awesome. I really, 448 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I really dig that. I know that when you're with 449 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: the group. Justin Bieber was an inspiration for a large sound, right, 450 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: So who's inspiring you in your solo era? 451 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: Now, Beaver's a big one. I think Biaber will always 452 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: be a big one for me. He was like the 453 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: first like real male artist celebrity that I was like, 454 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: how do I be that guy? How do I do 455 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: what he's doing? Justin Timberlake is a huge one for 456 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: me right now as well. His CD Future Sex Love 457 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Sounds was the first CD I ever owned as a kid. 458 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 2: No way, I was like twelve. I don't know if 459 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: I should have been listening to Future Sex Love Sounds 460 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: at twelve, but I wasn't true rock. I was craiking 461 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: my dad, Sorry Justin. He he burned it onto a 462 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: CD for me, so he didn't actually buy it, but 463 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: he gave it to me for my birthday. Sorry Justin. 464 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: Sorry dad. Frank Ocean has always been one of my 465 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: favorite artists. He like got me through high school his 466 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: album Blonde, which might be cliche to say, but I 467 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: think it's one of the best albums ever. Michael Jackson, 468 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: I mean, one of arguably the greatest of all time 469 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: king of pop. There's definitely like a little bit of 470 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: Michael influence in some of the stuff that I'm doing 471 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: right now, although nobody can ever really do it like 472 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: he did, so, you know, I think I think there's more, 473 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: like I put more from like his intention, you know, 474 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: and figuring out asking myself and figuring out why he 475 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: made certain choices in his music or you know why 476 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: he did certain things and kind of approaching my music 477 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: from Okay, if he did it this way because of this, 478 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: maybe I can do it something this way because of this, 479 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Michael, Justin both Justin's it's a good lie. 480 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: You know, mar Is even a little bit like the 481 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: funkiness and like his melodies and just his the drum samples. 482 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: Like he's a hit maker. He's been doing it for 483 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: so long too, He's got so many hits. 484 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: That's a good lineup of people. Man, that's a good 485 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: line up of people. And what's cool is you pull 486 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: inspiration from a lot of different places, it seems. And 487 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna hear that in the CP dropping 488 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: January sixteenth, Yeah, six sixteen. Right, So when you think 489 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: about that body of work, was there a song that 490 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: you're putting out that was a little harder to kind 491 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: of bring to life than the others for any reason? 492 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: There is a. 493 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: There is a song on the EP. It's a song 494 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: called Hypnotized. It's the last song on the EP. And 495 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: I actually recorded that song originally like two years ago, 496 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: two and a half years ago maybe, And I loved 497 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: the song, but I just did not do it justice 498 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: at the time. This is like in the middle of 499 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: me figuring out who the hell I was, and I 500 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: don't think I had the confidence or like the swagger 501 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: in my vocal delivery yet to like bring it to 502 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: where it needed to be. So I cut a demo 503 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: version of it, and I was listening back to it, 504 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: and I was like, this kind of sucks, like maybe 505 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: the song is not for me. I love the song, 506 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: but maybe it's not for me, and maybe someone else 507 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: will will we'll take it and it is what it is. 508 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: And I was going through a bunch of the songs 509 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: that we made for the EP, going through like my 510 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: files app on my phone and just looking at all 511 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: these files and I came across it again in like 512 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: May or June, maybe it was July, even it's pretty recent. 513 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: It was the most recent addition to the EP, and 514 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: I found the song and I was like, you know what, 515 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: I actually really like this song, Like I'm in a 516 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: very different place now as an artist, like maybe I 517 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: could give it another chance. And so I got the 518 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: stems and I sat down in my doo at home 519 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna cut 520 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: all of my vocals on this myself. 521 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 522 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: And it was the first time there's there's sprinkles on 523 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: the EP of me cutting some background vocals myself or 524 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: some ad libs, all at like my own studio. Most 525 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: of the leads and a lot of backgrounds were cut 526 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: with my producer ten Rock, who I worked on a 527 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: bunch of this project with, but this song in particular, 528 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: I sat down and I was like, I'm gonna do 529 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna see if I can do this one 530 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: entirely myself. And I got started at like I think 531 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: it was like eight pm or something, and it was 532 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: kind of on a whim, like random, and I cut 533 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: vocals until five thirty in the morning. And there's something 534 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 2: about I will tell you there's something about that like 535 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: two thirty am flow state in the studio. I don't 536 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: know what it is, but I've been cutting a lot 537 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: of my own almost all of my own vocals now 538 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: since cutting that song, and two thirty am to like 539 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: four thirty am is prime time for me, sweet spot. 540 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, and it's frustrating because 541 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: it means I got to sleep till noon the next day. 542 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: So like, you know, everyone's waking up in the morning 543 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: and noon is three pm in New York, so you know, 544 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: there's emails. I got to catch up too. It's like, sorry, guys, 545 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: it's a couple vocals, but yeah, there's like seventy or 546 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: eighty vocal tracks, a lot a lot of vocals in 547 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: that song, but all very pretty, and we space them 548 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: out and they sit really well together in the mix. 549 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: And I think that one probably took the longest to 550 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: come together because it was a very technical. There was 551 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: a technical excursion to go to go get it done. 552 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: But I'm very proud of it and it's a really 553 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: cool song. 554 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: So how would you say this sound is different from 555 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: maybe what you sounded like in the past or is 556 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: it not. 557 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very it's it's a bit more intentional, 558 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: and I think it's also more than that. But intentional 559 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: has been like kind of the word that I've been 560 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: using to like give myself a path forward. It's just 561 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: like moving with intention and I think with this EP, 562 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: you know, the first conversation I had with ten Rock 563 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: when we sat down, so ten Roc did did production 564 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: and writing on five out of the six songs on 565 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: the EP and Hippoi did some production on I think 566 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: three of the records. Both amazingly talented producers and writers, 567 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: and had a bunch of other cool people in the room. 568 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: The biggest conversation was how can I be uncomfortable? How 569 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 2: can me? And ten Rock talked and we were like, 570 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: we need to make you uncomfortable, me meet you meaning 571 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: me uncomfortable, you know, because that's where you grow. And 572 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: so we're like, how can we just push the spectrum, 573 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: you know, Let's see how far we can go, you know, 574 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: left field. And we started writing a song called Tied Up, 575 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: which is on the EP, and it was the first 576 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: single I dropped this year. And it's kind of reminiscent 577 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: of like some old Timberlake, like some My Love timber Lake, 578 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: or like Summer Love. It's got kind of the same 579 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: energy and like the synth the way the synth feels, 580 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: but very different songs, but they have kind of a 581 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: similar they could maybe fit in the same world. And 582 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: that was already super different than anything I had dropped 583 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: the year before. I think all three songs I had 584 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: dropped in twenty four were with the exception of one 585 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: DJ Colab that I did, We're all like on acoustic guitar, 586 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: like that was like the main instrument, you know, and 587 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: it was with tied up there's no guitar at all. 588 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: It's just synth and there's keys in it and strings, 589 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: and so immediately when we started making this song, we 590 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 2: were like, Okay, this is going to a place that 591 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: feels very different. When I cut the vocals for it, 592 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: I was like, at first, I didn't know if I 593 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: could pull it off. I was like, this is very 594 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 2: thumpy and it's aggressive, and but I cut the vocals 595 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: for it and kind of bodied them, and I was like, 596 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: you know what, this actually might be more me than 597 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: I thought it was, and I think it like unlocked 598 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: something in me where I was like, I've always wanted 599 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: to do this kind of music or make something that's 600 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: this aggressive and bold, and just didn't think that I 601 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: could or that it would be right for me. But 602 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: leaving the studio that day, I was like, you know what, 603 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: this is tight. That song's also dope because like we 604 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: don't really have a verse two. It goes like straight 605 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: from verse one of the chorus to like a bridge 606 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: where we change chords, and it's like this chromatic step 607 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: down on the keys, and it's like it's just very different, 608 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: and then it goes back into like an explosive pop 609 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: chorus at the end. The structure is really interesting and fun. 610 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. So you remind me hearing you talk 611 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: about your music reminds me a lot of how Charlie 612 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Pooth talks about his music. 613 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I will take that's that's such a high compliment. 614 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: He's so dope. 615 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: In the creativity and you know, I just I see 616 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: a lot of that which is so cool, and I 617 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: thank you. 618 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: That's such a nice compliment. 619 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: I do. 620 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: He's one of the best. 621 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: Oh, he's a genius. And your music's so good and 622 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: the CP people are gonna go absolutely nuts over and 623 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: it's it's an exciting time. Do you because this is 624 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: all new for your really stepping into this era in 625 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: this way, it's a holy p It's a body of work, right, 626 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: So it's a new thing for you. Do you have 627 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: any fear kind of going off on your own and 628 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: not having the comfort of other guys next to that 629 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you were used to, you know, years ago, or is 630 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: it maybe a bit freeing. 631 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both, to be honest. It's 632 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: more freeing now than I think it felt like it 633 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: was at the very beginning of me trying to figure 634 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: out what I was doing. But I've settled into myself 635 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: quite a bit more than I was, you know, a 636 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: year or two ago, and I'm excited to go on tour. 637 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: I think tour is going to be a big tell 638 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: of just what the experience of being a solo artist 639 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: actually is, you know, getting out and seeing the people 640 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: and reaching the fans face to face, you know, seeing 641 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: their faces, hearing their voices, and actually meeting people and 642 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: having conversations. You know, I think that was something in 643 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: the group that we did so much of. You know, 644 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: we were playing like two hundred and fifty shows a year, 645 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: you know, including acoustic sets and whatever. So out of 646 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days, you know, two hundred 647 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: and fifty shows a year, You're seeing so many people, 648 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: and like, you just get to really feel that human 649 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: connection every day. And I think going into a pandemic 650 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: and then splitting off from a group, and then going 651 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: through an identity crisis, and then finally landing on a 652 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: project that like feels like the most authentic version of 653 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: myself I've ever felt. My life is like such it's 654 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: such a crazy thing to be like landed here. And 655 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: the next step for me that I think completes the 656 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: entire puzzle is like going back out into the world 657 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: and like saying what's up to everybody and seeing some 658 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: old familiar faces and meeting some new ones, and like 659 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: just also delivering a show that's very different than anything 660 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: why don't we did? And so I'm super, super super 661 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: excited for that because I've just been to my house. 662 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: I've been doing too much laundry. 663 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: Man, Like, I'm ready for the rock star line. 664 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: I can't fold another white T shirt but put it 665 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: in my dresser, Like I will gladly fold it and 666 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: put it in my suitcase. But like, and I'll probably 667 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: be tired of touring again at some point, but like 668 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm itching, man, You're you're ready. It's been 669 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: too long waiting. 670 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: It's coming up, and I can't wait to see you 671 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: out there and people you know, taking in and singing 672 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: your music back to you. I'm crazy, amazing feeling. 673 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm exciting. 674 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: It's deserved. You've worked your ass off to get to 675 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: this point you and it's truly deserved. The name of 676 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: the show is called I've never said this before, and 677 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: it was born because I cover a lot of red 678 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: carpets and you know, press junkets, and you get three 679 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: minutes with somebody. It's very quick. It's not the most 680 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: real and authentic conversation you can have with somebody, right. 681 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: So I love the format of this show because you 682 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: can just chill and say what's on your mind and yeah, 683 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: you've been so open and and you know, wonderful today already. 684 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: But I always end with this question, yea, And that 685 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: question is is there anything you've never said before that 686 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: you want to share today? Whatever that question means to you, 687 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: it can mean whatever you want. 688 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: I maybe I've never said this before. Maybe this doesn't 689 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 2: like entirely apply, but I feel like I spent a 690 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: lot of my career and young life feeling like second best. 691 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 2: It's freeing and nice to kind of feel like I 692 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: can just be my best now. I don't think I've 693 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: ever put it specifically that way, and maybe some people 694 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: will get it, But yeah, I don't know if that 695 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: really answers your question, But I. 696 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: Think that's actually quite powerful. I think there's a lot 697 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: of people listening who are probably saying to themselves like Wow. 698 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: I feel that same way too, And I guess follow 699 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: up to that would because this is, I think such 700 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: a cool thing to say, is what made you feel 701 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: your second best? 702 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: I think a lot of things, A lot of things, 703 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: A lot of things, I think. I some of it's 704 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: just I hadn't put myself in a position to be 705 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: first best for for a long time. And some of 706 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: it was just like not feeling like I could have 707 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: or like I had it in me too. Some of 708 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: it was like stepping out of the way, you know, 709 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: just like stuff like that, and it feels one, it 710 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: feels good to not have to worry about that because 711 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: I can't really be second best to myself, I guess, 712 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: but just knowing that like I am, and this goes 713 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 2: for anybody that's you know, feels like maybe they're not 714 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: in control of their fate like you're in control of 715 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: your destiny, you know. And I feel that now more 716 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: than ever. And I think my responsibility to myself is 717 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 2: just to be a better person every day and or 718 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: to at least try and to just do good bye people. 719 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: I think if you're a good person, you get what 720 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: you give. And I found that being a good person 721 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: or at least trying has gotten me a lot further 722 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: than many other things would have. And doors have opened, 723 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: good doors have opened, and bad doors have closed, just 724 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: simply for just being a good person and joining people's company. 725 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's important and I think it makes 726 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: life better. You're a good person, You just feel better. 727 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it such a better way to go through 728 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: life knowing that you're living as greatly as you can? Yeah, 729 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: being a good person. 730 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: And you attract good people. Sometimes you'll get like you know, 731 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: astray that'll come in and try to fuck your life over. Yeah, 732 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: so they'll always try, but you get better at learning 733 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 2: who that might be and kind of reading the signs 734 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: over time. But you get what you give, and it's 735 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 2: easier to be happy, I think too when you're a 736 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: good person. Yeah, if not, and if you actually mean 737 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: it and enjoy it, right, I think that's actually the 738 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: key part of this is you have to mean it. 739 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you you radiate good energy. 740 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, really, thank you. 741 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he's got a good or about him. 742 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: I try. You do too, you do, and you you know, 743 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: you work hard and you're passionate about what you do, 744 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: and it shows in this new body of work, and 745 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: I know people are gonna love it when it's out. 746 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: I hope they're going to love it then, I have 747 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: no doubt. January sixteenth, remind everyone what it is, where 748 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: to listen all the things. 749 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, head First, January sixteenth, it'll be out everywhere. We're 750 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: starting the year off with a bang. The piece called 751 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: head First because it's kind of a nod to my 752 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: first like official project as a solo artist and diving 753 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: into my solo career head first. And also there's a 754 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 2: couple of records on there that are it's kind of 755 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: double entaundry. There's a couple of records on there that 756 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: are kind of a little bit about thinking with your 757 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 2: head instead of your heart and just about diving in 758 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 2: headfirst into either relationships or whatever. So there's a couple, 759 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, double little triple meanings. But I'm very excited 760 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: about it. I'll be touring it in March. I haven't 761 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: announced dates yet, but I've had the conversation, so I 762 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 2: hope I'm not jumping the gun on that with my team. 763 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, very very excited about it. And to anyone 764 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 2: who's watching this now and has heard it or hasn't 765 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: heard it, go check it out. If you have heard it, 766 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed. 767 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: Well, we can't wait. Man. Congrats to you. Thank you 768 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: for hanging out. Yeah, I'll be cheering you on from 769 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: New York City. Man. 770 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, thank you for having me all right? 771 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I've Never Said This Before is hosted 772 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: by me Tommy de Dario. This podcast is executive produced 773 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: by Andrew Publisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with 774 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is 775 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. 776 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and 777 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time, 778 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy de Dario. 779 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 2: Two