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Speaker 1: The volume.

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Speaker 2: No, uh, you said, what sixty eight percent of bottle

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Speaker 2: water is tabwater?

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Speaker 3: Sixty five or sixty percent of bottle water is actually

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's low. I feel like ninety.

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Speaker 3: It's a bottle of water. It's all market and plastic,

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Speaker 3: good bottle, good glass, like a good glass bottle with

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Speaker 2: I haven't really seen many like water ads on podcasts,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like we're not ruining advertisers here. What's

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Speaker 2: your what's your top five worst waters of all time?

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Speaker 2: Dasani number one. I think that's across the board doing

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Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 3: Aquafina is number two.

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Speaker 4: I think Evon could be a number two.

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Speaker 2: No, if you don't get aviyon in that glass bottle

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Speaker 2: that only the monitor does.

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Speaker 3: Any water and glass is fucking awful. Any water in

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Speaker 3: a glass bottle cold. You can get me to fucking

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Speaker 3: pin a white van and kidnap me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's we have candy in here. The coldness tastes takes

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Speaker 2: away from the I'm good in a plastic bottle.

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Speaker 3: I think it is number two.

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Speaker 2: I actually think it could rival Desani for how bad

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Speaker 2: on water propel I don't even.

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Speaker 4: Know if propell, I don't know. My streets have taken

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Speaker 5: Sipping on a propel is wow.

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Speaker 4: What is the propel logo?

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Speaker 3: It's just like a pet Philly's logo.

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Speaker 4: Still guys are nasty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Crystal Guys is Craig. Crystal Guys are so whack.

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Speaker 3: The label don't even stay on until you get home.

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Speaker 3: The label four right off in the bag from the

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Speaker 3: supermarket the moment your purchase it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Water, this is liquid death.

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Speaker 4: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: If it's cold, I guess I'll take that over most

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Speaker 2: of like the Poland springs of the world.

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Speaker 4: Hold Spring is only great because it's one dollar and

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Speaker 4: you could just get the fuck out the store.

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Speaker 3: Pold Spring is the most accessible water. Pold Spring is

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Speaker 3: good as ship. I don't know about as ship when

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Speaker 3: you put as ship on there. Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 3: about Enjoy Poland Spring.

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Speaker 2: I'll buy Poling Spring all day. But if you go through,

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Speaker 2: leave everything at warm temperature. If it goes against like

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Speaker 2: deer Park, what's.

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Speaker 5: The one you just said, arrowhead?

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Speaker 2: Arrowhead every of one of its peers and competitors. Poland

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Speaker 2: Spring is light years above that. A room temperature.

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Speaker 3: Headwater is the water that I think they take each

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Speaker 3: night at the end of the carnival. Whoever didn't buy

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Speaker 3: the goldfish, they take that water and put it.

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Speaker 2: The sports That's the sportsmanship of water that can they

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Speaker 2: take that water if whoever didn't buy that goldfish, they

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Speaker 2: take that.

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Speaker 3: Water and put it in an arrowhead bottle.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we've all been like flexing for twenty

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Speaker 2: years that New York City has the best tap water.

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Speaker 2: I found out recently that we have been we have

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Speaker 4: Y'all water is terrible.

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Speaker 2: That used to be like a thing, like we have

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Speaker 2: number one my entire life.

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Speaker 1: Up until two weeks ago, when y'all used to say

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Speaker 4: A spring near us, like over in Skinny Apple, we.

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Speaker 2: Get it from the Hudson up there. That's why we

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Speaker 4: It is trash. I think it's y'all. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Alabama got better water than us. I'm not jacking that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not jacking Alabama has better tapwater than Again.

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Speaker 4: I'm jacket.

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Speaker 5: No way, no pipes.

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Speaker 4: I feel like y'all pipes is just mold.

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Speaker 5: No way that.

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Speaker 3: But that builds a character. You need to You need

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Speaker 3: the minerals from the pipe.

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Speaker 4: That's where like fights, the diseases and ship.

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Speaker 5: You need the minerals in the pipe.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yo, my whole life, my whole life. I thought

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Speaker 2: New York City had the best tap water of all time.

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Speaker 4: It was like a stat. People would bring up that

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Speaker 4: shit is disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Y'all are crazy. New York tap water.

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Speaker 4: Is great, terrible, It's terrible.

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Speaker 5: No way terrible.

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Speaker 3: Jersey tapwater Jersey got octane in it. Yeah, drink and

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Speaker 3: Jersey tapwater. You might as well go to the to

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Speaker 3: the quick quick checking.

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Speaker 5: On ninety three. Just put the nozzle in your mind.

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Speaker 4: Shit, shit burn.

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Speaker 5: Jersey tap water is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Like the first time I took ever clear shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jersey Jersey tapwater tastes like a dry cleaners.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, we're back.

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Speaker 2: No, Honestly, the first time when I got to Saint

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Speaker 2: Peter's my freshman year, I started breaking out like way more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that water was like bad, bad, sorry Bill character,

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Speaker 3: it made you the man you are today.

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Speaker 2: Nah, It didn't, didn't change anything. It just made my

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Speaker 2: skin fuck it didn't. I'm not a better person because

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Speaker 2: of it. But she wasn't a trial and tribulation for

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Speaker 2: your man, your man's.

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Speaker 3: Man because of the Jersey tap water.

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Speaker 5: It's all good.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Where are we supposed to start here today? Do

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Speaker 2: we get right right into it? Let's get right into

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Speaker 2: the ships man or label mate slash maybe not label mate,

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Speaker 2: because I don't know anyone's negotiating.

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Speaker 5: Me out of a job soon, don't.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 4: That's why we out of one.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't rock with y'all, because when I

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Speaker 3: be ready to go there, y'all leave.

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Speaker 4: Let's go there. Ya close your ears.

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Speaker 3: I'm nah, I'm with you, all right.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna affect him.

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Speaker 3: The way you think it is, though, No listen, all

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Speaker 3: jokes aside. So we talked about uh Sha sharp our.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's any more of our label mate,

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Speaker 3: but a guy that we respect. No, we appreciate what

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Speaker 3: who grew up watching Shannon shop play football and.

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Speaker 2: Which we didn't bring up in tight ends on the

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Speaker 2: other conversation, Yeah, which was offensive.

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Speaker 3: I apologized, Yeah, apologies, Shannon, we didn't bring you up

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Speaker 3: in the objects earlier. But none, none of less. Shannon

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Speaker 3: Shop Hall of Fame, tight end. I'm old enough to

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Speaker 3: remember Shannon Shop as a player when he first came

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Speaker 4: First video game I had was Game Day ninety eight

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Speaker 4: where the Denvo Brockers were the best day you go

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Speaker 4: around Davis and I remember when it was a circle, circle,

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Speaker 3: Shannon Shaw was the butt of jokes when it came

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Speaker 3: to his speech, being able to talk. He had, you know,

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Speaker 3: it was kind of you know, heavy, heavy, thick country accent.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't the most articulate person. And to see where he

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Speaker 3: which is tremendous work, amazing work. We support him, we

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Speaker 3: you know, not so proud.

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Speaker 5: Not it's not a proud moment for Shannon right now.

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Speaker 3: He's he's facing allegations of you know, sexual assault. The

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Speaker 3: don't give a fuck. Tony Busby is representing a woman

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Speaker 3: who says that Shannon Shap sexually assaulted us. So text

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Speaker 3: messages have been released, audio recordings have been released, pretty articulate. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I out to you. I knew what he

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Speaker 3: said then. It was very articulately when he said that.

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Speaker 3: But what does this mean for Shannon Shaw? Obviously this

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Speaker 3: you know, we didn't expect to hear come out about

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Speaker 3: Shannon shop and he's been does be very he's been

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Speaker 3: very adamant that this is one one thousand percent of shakedown,

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Speaker 3: that there is nothing here. He didn't you know, he's

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Speaker 3: not in no violation though he didn't violate any woman.

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Speaker 5: That's not who he is.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's been he's been very vocal and very

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Speaker 3: adamant not running from that. But Shannon, you know, when

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Speaker 3: you it comes out again, And I don't know if

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Speaker 3: this is true, not as alleged that Shannon Sharpe offered

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Speaker 3: We don't offer no money. Obviously, jay Z just went

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Speaker 3: through that with the same lawyer. He didn't offer any money.

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Speaker 3: Case got dismissed, thrown out. I believe that there's legal

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Speaker 3: as a result of that. So yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 3: what does this mean for Shannon Sharp? Is it going

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know what is being alleged

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Speaker 3: is true. It's still very early. More details will come out.

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Speaker 3: Shannon has been very vocally he's not running from it,

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Speaker 3: he's not hiding from it. Said he's willing to put

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Speaker 3: out a sex tape if he had it. He told them,

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Speaker 3: he told, you know, Tony Busby and the you know,

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Speaker 3: like show what it is that you want to show.

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Speaker 3: So he's not hiding from it, he's not running from it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means for Shannon. I do

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Speaker 3: know that as.

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Speaker 4: A result, he's guiding.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm sorry to interrupt you. You're giving a

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Speaker 2: great breakdown of what's going on, but you really are.

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Speaker 2: I just who is guiding Shannon Sharp right now?

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Speaker 5: Nobody?

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 3: He's gotten himself, all right.

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Speaker 2: The ten million dollar shit initially was like, m that

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Speaker 2: feels weird because, which we've said a million times, if

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Speaker 2: somebody's accusing me of anything and I didn't do that shit,

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Speaker 2: I'll get on the stand. I'm refusing, like no matter what,

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Speaker 2: I would do anything to prove that. But I also

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Speaker 2: don't know what it's like to be a ae hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollar negotiation. And if ten million dollars out of

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Speaker 2: that one hundred million could get this thing that could

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Speaker 2: compromise this one hundred million the fuck out of here,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'd sacrifice ten million. So I get that part.

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Speaker 2: But Shannon, with this sex tape shit. I'm still on

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Speaker 2: the side that this looks weird, mainly based off the lawyer,

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Speaker 2: which I guess is a little fucked up.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just going off evidence.

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Speaker 4: That girl was nineteen years old. He's fifty six years old.

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Speaker 2: I think it's odd and gross, and I could never

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Speaker 2: Both you and I are younger than him. Of course

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Speaker 4: I'm sure once he nutted, he fell odd. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: We spent two years ago that they've had they've had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I've been beating off for fifteen years. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it goes, what.

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Speaker 3: And told him what to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know if we need to sit

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Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not hitting, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just putting out what it is dealing

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Speaker 5: Bruce, you're three times her age?

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Speaker 4: That's my thing. I don't give a fuck who you fuck.

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Speaker 1: You want to be weird, you want to be weird,

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Speaker 4: This is what happens.

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Speaker 1: You fucking with a fucking teenage OnlyFans model. This is

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Speaker 5: I don't know what that means for.

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Speaker 2: If he did that shit, put him under the fucking prison.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like a lot of this can we

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Speaker 2: But to your point, there's also the side of what

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Speaker 2: And then if Shannon Sharp says something that's controversial or

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Speaker 2: I'm back with Shannon. What even happened with that case?

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Speaker 2: That's how the shit goes. Like, I don't know it's

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Speaker 3: We don't know the details of everything that is happening.

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Speaker 3: We don't know, nor do I want to be, nor

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Speaker 1: So and if this girl is telling the truth, because

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Speaker 2: Okay, again, also, I'll put let's take this situation out.

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Speaker 2: That's also where it gets sucked up because if this

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Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp was sending her what fifty twenty crazy listen, Brandy,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I should we should.

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Speaker 4: Have given you more money for a lawyer and she

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of girls that don't have resources when

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Speaker 2: experience in that world will be like, Okay, okay, Antonio,

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Speaker 2: if that's even your real name, I'm still on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, repeat myself. Buzzby is not his last name.

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Speaker 2: Ain't no fucking way I know who sent him.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean as much as I'm on that side,

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Speaker 4: So he photoshoped that that what's not true. He has

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Speaker 2: But to some women, that's the only lawyer that will

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with stuff like this, where a lawyer often

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Speaker 4: When it comes to I want to make that very clear.

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Speaker 4: This is separate when it.

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Speaker 1: Comes to freaky shit. It's very hard to prove that

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Speaker 1: you didn't. It's very hard to prove consent in someone

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Speaker 2: Watch the Breakfast Club interview with steven A Smith. I'm

442
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: actually shocked this clip has not like made its rounds

443
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: on the internet. Our listeners in Reddit and Twitter community

444
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: find this. I think Charlemagne was the one that adds

445
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 2: steven A Smith about having women sent to him, because

446
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: steven A is very vocal that he's single and like

447
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 2: he's just focused on his work. He can't get me

448
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 2: in a scan on I'm not tied to nobody, I'm

449
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 2: not cheating on nobody.

450
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 3: I do what I do when I'm not working.

451
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 2: And that's put him in situations where he's felt women

452
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: have been sent to him from certain people with.

453
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 4: Certain agendas to get him jammed up.

454
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: In no way am I saying this is the case

455
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 2: right now, just bringing up that thought because they're both

456
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 2: in media and steven A we've known gone through countless negotiations.

457
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 2: We saw him get a deal that he got fucked

458
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: over and he's making like eight million dollars on ESPN

459
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: seven days a week. Finally got his work, but before

460
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: that he was like, nah, I peeped when they were

461
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: sending women to me. I could tell that this wasn't

462
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 2: that somebody sent you to fuck me over. This feels

463
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: like you're about to yell rape in the hotel room.

464
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just always on the side of your

465
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 3: moral compass and having discernment will save you from.

466
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 4: A lot of or shit and having discernment more than anything.

467
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just you know, in discipline, in discipline,

468
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: even if you have these horny thoughts, but they're like

469
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: control them.

470
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: But this is this is why, this is why this

471
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: is so confusing to me, because you look at somebody

472
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: like Shannon Shark, who is you know, has accomplished things

473
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 3: athletically that not many people ever we accomplished. That takes

474
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: a certain level of you know, discipline, keep your body

475
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: in shape, you know, play at a high level for

476
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 3: so many years, you know, Hall of Famer. And then,

477
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: like I said, when you first came into the league,

478
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: you had, if you want to call it, a speech impediment.

479
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: He wasn't the greatest, most articulate person when he first

480
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: came in, but dedicated himself to learning how to speak

481
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: and learning how to articulate, and now he's one of

482
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 3: the biggest figures in media. So clearly he's a guy

483
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: that has discipline and is able to focus right, is

484
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: able to focus and able to execute and you know,

485
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: it was able to afford himself a great lifestyle through

486
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 3: his dedication to his craft and to his work. How

487
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: do you have such a lapse in judgment when it

488
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: comes to sexually romantically. That's the part that i'm because

489
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: that's not you know, if somebody is a very clean cut,

490
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: very sharp you see my work desk area, everything is clean,

491
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 3: and then you go to the crib and they're a

492
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: fucking horder, You're gonna be like, this doesn't check out,

493
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: this is not the persona Okay.

494
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: I vividly remember this conversation. The year was twenty ten.

495
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: I was at Deaf Jam and I'm aware that you know,

496
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: Club Shasha is based off Kognak and he has other vices,

497
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: but an exact that was like not shot money. Another

498
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: one that I'm not gonna name that was kind of

499
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: mentoring me was speaking about another executive that was super

500
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: clean cut, super disciplined, super everything.

501
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 3: And we were smoking in the.

502
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: Office and that executive walked by and he said, I

503
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: think he has some weird sexual de and shit, everyone

504
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 4: on earth has to have a vice. If you're this

505
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 4: disciplined in something, there has to be a place that

506
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: you get this ship off somewhere and if you don't

507
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: go out, you don't do any type of drug, any

508
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 4: type of alcohol. That's cool.

509
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: You're not even gluttony like you you're ordering salads even

510
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: on days that we order and just like pizza and shit,

511
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: he gotta have something. It's gotta be some Everyone has

512
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: a vice, Everyone has to get that out in some

513
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: type of way. So, I yeah, it's a stereotype of

514
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: the way I view a lot of like Trooper White.

515
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's what's up.

516
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: You don't think someone like all right, you seen like

517
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 4: American Psycho. Yeah, I mean, of course that's the extreme

518
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: version of that.

519
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: But I'm not calling and sharp anything close to I

520
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: want to make that very fucking clear, page.

521
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: Please don't set it that way, of course.

522
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: But a lot of the cleanest cut people are the

523
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: most deviant human beings.

524
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: They don't get their ship out with just smoking weed.

525
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: They don't just have a glass of fucking wine after

526
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: work or eat a fucking pizza after work. They find

527
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: they get their shit off, and it's in a very calculated, disciplined,

528
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 2: and nasty fucking way. American Psycho, I mean, you know

529
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: he was ironing the.

530
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: Fucking body bags that he was putting the bitches in

531
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 4: like that shit translates over the man's man. Now, he

532
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: might have been the first metro sexual.

533
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 5: Either way.

534
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: Man, you know, I hope, I hope that these are

535
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: just allegations against Shannon Shack. And if they're not fucking

536
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: oh oh yeah on that, that's anybody that sexually assault,

537
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: sexually abuses anybody. And if she lying, fuck her, Oh

538
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: she's lying, absolutely fuck her.

539
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: And for people who are into BDSM or if you

540
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: were planning on trying BDSM with a partner, this may

541
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: seem extreme now, but write some shit out, get some

542
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: shit in writing, get safe words out in writing, get

543
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: all of this down so that can't nobody jim you up.

544
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: If you're doing brat fetishes or things where someone's in

545
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: control of you or you're in control of somebody, you

546
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: don't want somebody coming back and saying, oh, you forced

547
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: yourself on me when you thought that that was the

548
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: type of play that y'all were into sexually. There are

549
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: articles you can read about how to handle that stuff legally,

550
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: but please, please please protect yourself. Like I'm all for

551
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: being freaked out, y'all know, I rarely kink shame. But

552
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: you gotta be fucking careful because if you gotta know

553
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: when somebody is antagonizing you or when somebody really wants

554
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: you to force themselves on you like you have to,

555
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: you got to know all of that stuff. Like all

556
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: of that is very important. So being freaked out is cool.

557
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm always being freaked out, but please please set some

558
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: boundaries and if you're if you don't know that person

559
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: like that, get that shit in writing, especially.

560
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: If you make part of the role play a mediator

561
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: with a contract.

562
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, No, let me tell you something.

563
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: If me and Roy shit down and they start throwing

564
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: a hundred million dollars, I think across the table, I'm

565
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: gonna be it's gonna be casting couch on my phone

566
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: for every girl I interact with, give us your name age,

567
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: No for we're getting all that on video. I'm not

568
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: fucking it one hundred million. I'm not fucking up that

569
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: bag for no pussy. Ain't no pussy that good in

570
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: the world. Shannon is fucking tripping if he did that

571
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: nineteen what are you doing?

572
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 5: How did y'all meet?

573
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: Where are you thinking that? Tell me? Where do you where?

574
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: He internet?

575
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Nigga? Shannon shap Maine supposed to be meeting no women

576
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: on the internet.

577
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: Shannon Sharp is fifty one, because we've seen.

578
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: All that girl that's gonna let you show her and say,

579
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: put this big black baby in me.

580
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: Where are you gonna meet Sharanish shop.

581
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: It's worth you think that Shannon Sharp can't meet a

582
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: grown woman that will let him freak out freak them.

583
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: I'm grown woman.

584
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: The clip just happened with Moniqu where Monique says you

585
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: need to lead them young girls alone.

586
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: He like, why money, That's what I'm saying. He's fucking tripping,

587
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: But young girls cool. I'm not talking about as young

588
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: as this girl though. Nineteen if she was twenty eight,

589
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: twenty nine, all right, you know what I mean, Like,

590
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: get your shit off nineteen Come on, man, she's one

591
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: year remove from high school. You bugging the fuck not

592
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: even the freaks you won, You bugging the fuck out.

593
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: She ain't even been freaking, Like, you're not long enough

594
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: to be freaky.

595
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got sneakers older than that.

596
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: I got the original ninety Like.

597
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like my libry air matches is older than her.

598
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Like what are we talking about? Like you really met

599
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: this girl?

600
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: Get clear, she's twenty one now, but they're saying that

601
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: he met her when she man, I don't.

602
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: Want to shill to y'all.

603
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: Still I got hats twenty one years old. But what

604
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: are we talking about here?

605
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: Man, Like Shannon Sharpe is he's out of He's all

606
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: the way out of pocket with this. This is crazy

607
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: and not saying you can't date younger girls, but nineteen

608
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, you playing yourself? You absolutely playing yourself

609
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: doing that at fifty four years old.

610
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: It's bad manches, that's thirty and free you. I don't

611
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: understand bad bitches. That's the Barney's in her forties.

612
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: I just hear these is forty five, like with grandkids.

613
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: What are we talking about here?

614
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: We don't know if like she's a freak, I mean.

615
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: But just beauty going out yeah and looking good.

616
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: And there's year I just said, Tracy ellis cross at

617
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: this time for a younger man.

618
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: Nea long? Is she still available.

619
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: At couple who you and knew? Me and nid? Yeah?

620
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 4: Set it up the fuck? I don't just say it. Oh,

621
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: let me just text her because me and the along

622
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: text all.

623
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying like yeah, but like we're saying if I'm

624
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: sharing in that shoo line, I'm blowing up.

625
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 5: That would have been the only thing that came out

626
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 5: of me.

627
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: They'd like, Yo, this nigga been the Neil long Dims

628
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: going crazy. Mall was with some nineteen year old and said,

629
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm a choky bitch like that ain't gonna never happen.

630
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: Shannon Sharp is bugging for this. I'm sorry.

631
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: I fuck the rape if I'm not mistaken, Josh correct

632
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, is that they were having penis

633
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: to vaginas put it in her ass, even though, hey, people,

634
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: if you love that.

635
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Of vagina, to try to be politically correct and then

636
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: when put it in her.

637
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: Ass, Yeah, but two beeps.

638
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Hey for for young men that are coming up outre

639
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: because there are also on young men that listen to

640
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: our podcast, and I think it's very important for them

641
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: to be informed.

642
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: That is rape. That is rape.

643
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: You should not try to put it in a girl's

644
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: ass if that was not told to be done already.

645
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: That is rape, period, no matter if you were having

646
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: a penis to vagina sex, that is rape.

647
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: The moment she says that is rape, can y'all not

648
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: laugh for me? I'm lady, you did it in the

649
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: political way that I was happy you were doing it.

650
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, I just put it up butt.

651
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, take the penis

652
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: and enter the rectum, like you don't even go that rout.

653
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, just don't put in her ass.

654
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, I agree though you should not, and

655
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: I can.

656
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: We can we keep it real? Can we keep it real?

657
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: For like just the last like thirty seconds of this,

658
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: Just keep it real? Fridays, Shannon fucking did that shit. God,

659
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: Shanna did that. Ship man.

660
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: He got a little too your me. He went a

661
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: little too far.

662
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: They was having wild sex, you know what I'm saying,

663
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: and he probably was like.

664
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: His thumb was in there.

665
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably was like he thought she wanted it,

666
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And you know he heard her,

667
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. She two days later she

668
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: was still so she's like, nah, this nigure gotta pay

669
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: for this. I believe that Shannon just went a little

670
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: too far. I believe I believe he actually.

671
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 5: Did put it in her butt. She did, she didn't

672
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: want it.

673
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know if

674
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he held it down and made

675
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: her take it. He probably just tried to get it

676
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: in there real quick, and she probably be like nah.

677
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: But if her text message is correct, I mean cause

678
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: clearly in text she doesn't hold anything back. If she

679
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: said no when he tried to put in her butt, like,

680
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: then you just go back to the vagina.

681
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: Oh.

682
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: She also something happened on any potential sex and if

683
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: she not with it, you just go.

684
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: Back to the vagina. M you don't keep going.

685
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 5: Horses, don't stop the going.

686
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: Cut that what she said, I beg you not put

687
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: it in my butt.

688
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: Also, if you have sex with somebody without putting a

689
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: condo of mind, they telling you to put a condo mind,

690
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you don't put a cond of mind. Also rape, that's

691
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: what I want. Everything that's no.

692
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: I agree.

693
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: So she said, I beg you to put a condo

694
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: mind and not put it in my ass, and you

695
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't listen.

696
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: I don't care about yeah. But also also, but all right,

697
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 4: I hear you.

698
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: And this is why sex thing is a problem, because

699
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: if you're ever sext with somebody and they not that person.

700
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

701
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: So if you're telling me to put a big black

702
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: baby in me and then I show up with no condom.

703
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: Not victim blaming because that no point does that mean

704
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm entitled to fuck you without a condom. I'm just

705
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: saying you may confuse people when they show up. See,

706
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get all right. I can see Molly, you're

707
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: trying to smile. I think sex thing should stop because

708
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: I think people just begetting it.

709
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: Never stop.

710
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: If it's somebody you've been fucking, yeah, because we can.

711
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: And if it's somebody want to fucking her, he's been

712
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: fucking her all right, Let's be truthful in our sex thing.

713
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: All I know is when whenever a girl texts you,

714
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to process this, you in trouble.

715
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Whenever a girl say I don't know how to process this,

716
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: it's like, oh shit, she grad to find somebody to

717
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: help them process.

718
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: What's funny is that stressed for me process?

719
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Due to our due process, mister Shannon Shaw, we are

720
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: calling you to the Supreme Court.

721
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: I actually just felt blessed because I felt that nervous

722
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: ship when you just said I need to process this.

723
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: When I didn't take the chicken out of the freezer.

724
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: Man to me that terrified. I can only imagine with

725
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: did I accidentally put it on your butt?

726
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's what That's what Shannon should did.

727
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: He should have wrapped it up. Josh is doing this

728
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: little thing he likes to do. Shannon, you should have

729
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: wrapped it up.

730
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: How do we how do we how do we transition

731
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: into our guests that is about to be here? Well

732
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: should be a cold cut, like how do we get

733
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: the energy into.

734
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: I mean, well, the good thing about our guests that's

735
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: coming on is he he is a he's a great,

736
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: great talent, great great singer, great songwriter, and he's coming

737
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: by to have a great conversation with us.

738
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: So we can get right into that and have some fun.

739
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: But again, Shannon, prayers to you, prayers to the alleged victim. Hopefully,

740
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, everybody is on the right side of history

741
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: here and everybody's you know, they will come in court

742
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: and do process. Like Damara said, we will figure out

743
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: more about what happened and what didn't happen. So, you know,

744
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: I hate to see Shannon go through this. But discernment, discipline,

745
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 3: moral morals, moral compass. Weird?

746
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: Is that lie sex contracts?

747
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 5: Sex contracts?

748
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: If if you go you know somebody is as famous

749
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: and as a big a figure as Shannon Sharp is.

750
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: That might be a necessity. Might have to start doing

751
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: that as well. Anything to protect yourself and to keep

752
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: you away from things like this. But let's get into

753
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: our guests. Let's have some fun, let's talk some shit.

754
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,080
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Speaker 2: the most important guest I think of twenty twenty five

793
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Speaker 2: so far.

794
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if it will be topped either.

795
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: For what I think this gentleman is about to do,

796
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: despite what he's already done, We are here with one

797
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: of the most talented songwriters, musicians and artists that I've

798
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: ever had the privilege. I want to make that very

799
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: privilege to work with in my entire life. We are

800
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: here with the great, great, great Nickelodeon star post Leon Thomas.

801
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: It was our live study audience.

802
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: It was good. That was an amazing intro. Man, that

803
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: was hold on.

804
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: Because my my fucking my obsessive composer.

805
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well let's move that, keep it going. It's

806
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: about the details.

807
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: I don't know how you like this is My sneakers.

808
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: Is that I'll try to redo the interest.

809
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: Thomas.

810
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: But first of all, Bro, now that you hear uh,

811
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: congrats on what I think is a classic album. You

812
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: absolutely had. In my opinion, me and Rory both agreed.

813
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: The only thing we agreed on on our twenty twenty

814
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: four wrap up was that Mutt.

815
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: Was the R and B album of the year without

816
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: a doubt.

817
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: Man, Thank you so much.

818
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: So it's a pleasure to meet you to tell you

819
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: that to your face, that was a phenomenal project. Rory

820
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: was the first person to tell me to listen to it.

821
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: I think he may have told me like, yo, did

822
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: you listen to it yet. I listened to it yet,

823
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: and I'm here to say, Leon, I haven't stopped listening

824
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 3: to listen.

825
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: It's funny I told you before. So when Leon and

826
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: I had a session to do, who are you anyways?

827
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: Roy? Leon Thomas out right now?

828
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: All streaming platforms, same session, he played me what became Mutt?

829
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: And when I came back to you and Demeris, I

830
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: think because I've gassed a few albums before coming out

831
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: of sessions, you guys didn't fully understand what I was

832
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: getting at studio. But I was like, na, Na, I'm

833
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: telling you this shiit Leon's about to put out is

834
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: crazy because you played me maybe ninety percent. Yeah, yeah,

835
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: I think you were trying to get to mixing like

836
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: in the next week.

837
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

838
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, were at the tail end of it, and I

839
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 6: just remember being kind of nervous because it was like

840
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 6: you Elliott Wilson in the role.

841
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, if y'all hate this, like it's gonna ring bells,

842
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: but I'm glad it worked out. You know that.

843
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: Album is incredible.

844
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: I was in Virginia for Thanksgiving and I played it

845
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: like I was riding around my sister and I played

846
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: it in the Car and every week she calls me

847
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: and was like, Yo, this album is crazy. So she

848
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: still was no, like you No, it's a phenomenal album.

849
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: But I want to go I want to go to

850
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: because you're from Brooklyn original right, Yeah?

851
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm from Park Slope.

852
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

853
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 6: I grew up in Park Slope and I moved to

854
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 6: LA when I was like sixteen.

855
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: Okay, wh school you went to?

856
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: So I went to International Studies.

857
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 6: Okay, nobody knows my school because it's shared by another

858
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 6: school called Global Studies, and it was voted the worst

859
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 6: high school in Brooklyn. I think like five girls, I

860
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 6: know it was. Yeah, yeah, it was a little rough.

861
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 6: But I'm glad I had that experience too, because it

862
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 6: gave me balance, Especially going out to l A. You know,

863
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 6: you're dealing with a lot of trust fund kids, this

864
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 6: and that and the other. Uh, it was good to

865
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 6: kind of have that that that grounded aspect to me.

866
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: You know, do you think like I feel like New

867
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: York City? I mean, does does Maxwell claim Brooklyn?

868
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? Hell yeah? Okay, like the R and B.

869
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Like outside of like maybe what they were doing at

870
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: Harlem in like the eighties traditional R and B, I

871
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: feel like New York City has kind of not had

872
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: an identity for hmmm, and then I feel like Virginia

873
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: gets our identity when it comes to production just because

874
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 2: of what Teddy Riley did when he moved down there.

875
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: Like New York, of course we have rap. I mean

876
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 4: that goes without saying. But R and B. I felt

877
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: like we have never really put a staple.

878
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 6: In what I mean, like Lauren Hill and like foujis

879
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 6: you know Jersey?

880
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean Jersey, that is Jersey. I don't

881
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: know one.

882
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: Like I feel R and B ne like doesn't really

883
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: have the where you're from type of like when you

884
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: gear RB, they're from there, like yeah.

885
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 5: You don't need to raise I guess yeah, when you

886
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 5: R and B you don't have to wave your city flag.

887
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean when Life Jennings came out, I was like,

888
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: where is he from? Because this sounds like the craziest

889
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: hood shit I've ever heard in my life.

890
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: That's that one is asked. But I know R and

891
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: B never really feel like I feel like it has

892
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: an identity of where you're from.

893
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: Like even Beyonce into like her latter part of her career,

894
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: I felt like own Texas even more that's like starting

895
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: to happen, I think now, m m M.

896
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's it's it's getting pretty real with

897
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 6: the Cowboy Carter stuff, and you know, she's definitely you know,

898
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 6: showing her roots. But I'm glad that I can definitely

899
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 6: lock in and let people know I'm from New York.

900
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: I'm very proud of it.

901
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 6: It's a big part of even why I'm multi faceted,

902
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 6: and because I mean, I think growing up in Brooklyn,

903
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 6: especially in Park Slope Prospect Park is where all the

904
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 6: skaters would do their thing. So I'm over there listening

905
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 6: to rock and then I'm going to school, you know,

906
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 6: at International Studies right near the Guana's Projects, and.

907
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 4: I'm hearing like all this hip hop.

908
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 6: You know, it's like it's so much just just just

909
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 6: a real melting pod. Yeah, there's a lot of noise

910
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 6: and you got to make something out of that, you know.

911
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: And then I think for R and B, I can

912
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 6: say for New York, Alicia Keys, let's not forget Alicia Key,

913
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 6: Let's not forget it. And there's more. I'm like, I'm

914
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 6: just blanking on them. But but yeah, yeah, Alicia.

915
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: Definitely, everything Alicia did coming out was like that girls

916
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: from New York City, So yeah, I do take back

917
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: some of mistakes.

918
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: Alicia Keys like she got ther way.

919
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 7: Play Hell's Kitchen going crazy right now the building?

920
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 6: Now, where's Mariah Carey from? I think she's from New

921
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 6: York too. I actually randomly had a session with Mariah Carey.

922
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: I'm not going alive. We went from her.

923
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: You don't just throw that out there. I randomly have

924
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: a surprise session with Mariah?

925
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 4: Like, how do is really cool?

926
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 5: How does that happen?

927
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't sign an NDA, so I guess

928
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 6: I'm cool to talk about it. We were just getting creative,

929
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 6: like I don't know if she has any plans to

930
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 6: drop in anything, but it was really cool. Through my

931
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 6: production partner, Chris Ridick times he hit me up. He

932
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 6: was like, you're trying to do a session with Mariah.

933
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: I'm like yeah, And it was so cool. Really we

934
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 6: really like we're just sitting there writing records and vibing out.

935
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 6: You know, she's a She's an absolute legend. That was

936
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 6: Finn absolutely.

937
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if you didn't sign IDEA, you have a

938
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: very unique process, which I will not I didn't sign

939
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: the NBA, but I won't give your process.

940
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: It was the most unique thing I'd ever seen before.

941
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: It was a little different of how you work because

942
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: I've never seen anyone work that way.

943
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: She's from Huntington, New York.

944
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, what what is Mariah's process like in

945
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: a studio?

946
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: Is she more like start with a melody than put

947
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: words to it. We were like we were writing.

948
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 6: I kind of like to call it choir style, rather

949
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 6: than like being isolated in the booth, like going like

950
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 6: part for part. We're all out in the in the

951
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 6: trol room, just kind of shooting ideas till something comes,

952
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 6: you know.

953
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: And I think that's more fun.

954
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 6: It's more collaborative, especially when you're working with other co writers.

955
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: The New school way.

956
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 6: Though, is everybody goes into the booth and lay's melodies

957
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 6: and it just takes forever. Choir style, you get a

958
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: chance to kind of put it together.

959
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: And I think you.

960
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 6: Can also understand if the hook is going to be

961
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 6: catchy enough for a group of people to sing.

962
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it for sure.

963
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: I always have been meeting some of your well before

964
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: you get there, because I do have a real question

965
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: about Mariah.

966
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: It's on April twenty third, right, so that gives enough

967
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: time to get something clear. Did you write any Christmas

968
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: music to make sure generational wealth?

969
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: Leon?

970
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: Think about your children, think about your kids?

971
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: Why are you not singing about Santa Claus in no sessions?

972
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest, like, like, even outside of the

973
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 6: Mariah session, I've been thinking like, yeah, I need to really,

974
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: you know, just pick up the Christmas pen like you know, it's.

975
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 4: Time, It's time to get right. This is like every year,

976
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: bag you know.

977
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: God, Okay, so this just reminded me. Damn, you just

978
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: reminded me off Christmas. We can cut this if we

979
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: need to. Valley of Emotional Oranges who you know sent

980
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: me a video of you and her doing a Christmas

981
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: song when you guys were like.

982
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: That's facts eighteen seventeen.

983
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Years old, and it was quite possibly the greatest funny

984
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: it's just Christmas video.

985
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: Good five D.

986
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 6: Singing about Christmas like insane work when we values my dog.

987
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: She's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

988
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 6: It was so cool to see her reinvent herself in

989
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 6: such a beautiful way.

990
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 7: And I'm run into her all the time. It's like

991
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 7: no but love.

992
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah know.

993
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: She sent me that the day our record dropped and

994
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 4: I was like, I meant to send.

995
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: It to you.

996
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 6: Now it's all good. I try to like erase all

997
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 6: Christmas records. I'm trying to do it because it.

998
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 4: Looked like the whole label was like and put them

999
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: in sweaters.

1000
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, shout out to ROJ trum Man. You

1001
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 6: know it's funny. Benji just hit me up not too

1002
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 6: long ago. Yeah, yeah, I really love Benji. We were

1003
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 6: just trying stuff, you know, independent, just.

1004
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Doing what was that ross like years like, because I

1005
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: guess for fans that don't know, that was one of

1006
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: the bigger independent to then major labels.

1007
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. Is he still work with Whiz and I'm not.

1008
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 6: Quite sure what their relationship is like, but to be honest,

1009
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 6: at that time, everything was really cool and I was

1010
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 6: around Whizz a bunch Matt as well, right.

1011
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1012
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 6: Mac Miller was signed to Rostrom and Arthur Pitt. Shout

1013
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 6: out to you, Arthur. He was one of the lead executives, like,

1014
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 6: you know, running me around everybody. He introduced me to

1015
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 6: Rob Markman and just like like real important you know

1016
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 6: figures and the way that they worked was just really

1017
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 6: very running gun. You know, let's like really put the

1018
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: work in let's not spend a bunch of money yet

1019
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 6: until it's like making a bunch of money. And I

1020
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 6: respect that because now that I'm at a major label,

1021
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 6: I still move like an independent artist in that way,

1022
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 6: like I'm not blowing a bunch of money on studio

1023
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 6: time or even just doing like Crazy Wild three hundred

1024
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: thousand dollars music video.

1025
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 4: I'm kind of big on.

1026
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 6: Just let's let's let's build this piece by piece, you know,

1027
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 6: And that definitely came from Benji.

1028
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: How has it been back to my riot thing?

1029
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: How has it been for you meeting some of your

1030
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: heroes and inspirations and music.

1031
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 5: Has it been an enjoying thing or.

1032
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 6: A surreal pointed I mean, well, a little bit of both,

1033
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 6: but but I think for the most part, it's just

1034
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: very surreal. You got to kind of suppress your your

1035
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 6: inner thirteen year old self, you know, for like that

1036
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 6: day that you're doing a session. But I think once

1037
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 6: you get past that, you have to go over the

1038
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 6: creative anxiety that comes from like this could be life changing.

1039
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 6: And I think once you get over that hump, you're

1040
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 6: just creating with another human, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1041
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 6: but those first two bumps in the road that are

1042
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 6: not easy, you know.

1043
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1044
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: I mean I think even going from like the TV

1045
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: I guess Child's actor, I don't know if he did

1046
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: yeah ld doing rostering, which was the culture at the time. Yeah,

1047
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: to then I feel like you kind of got it

1048
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad thing, but you became the Snooze guy,

1049
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: which I felt was like weird. That was the way

1050
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: I feel like people started to discover you.

1051
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 6: And listen, it's like the Internet and even just how

1052
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: people consume music right now, they're just trying to find

1053
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 6: a common denominator, you know, like.

1054
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: And Snooze was a huge record.

1055
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: So all of it was positive from my perspective because

1056
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 6: I knew what I had in my back pocket. I know,

1057
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 6: I knew like the tools I was working with, Like

1058
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 6: it's not like I did that record and then it

1059
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 6: was like, okay, now let me start trying to be

1060
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 6: an artist. I'd been getting ready, waiting for a moment

1061
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 6: like this to really use it as a platform, you know.

1062
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think you had the best example of

1063
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: having that stereotype of this is that guy yo, you

1064
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: heard about him, you know he did Snooze to now

1065
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: mu being the best of twenty twenty four. That transition

1066
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: though it doesn't really happened for a lot of artists. Yeah,

1067
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people just get put in the writer

1068
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: producer category when they're or Like we were just talking

1069
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: about Esther Dean when the Carry Hilson thing came up.

1070
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: We just going through.

1071
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: We're going through just great writers that were also great artists,

1072
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: but they never they never got to break through.

1073
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: How do you think you did break through that? Because

1074
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: some of the greatest writers never did that.

1075
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: Well.

1076
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 6: I think a lot of those artists who are also

1077
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 6: songwriters and producers aren't necessarily operating with the team perspective.

1078
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 7: So me signing with Todd dollas sign and the cross.

1079
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 6: Polonization of me being just like in a musical cultural moment,

1080
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 6: I think was really helpful for just like a lot

1081
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 6: of people's perspectives as they started really hearing me, and

1082
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 6: then I think being a producer and really seeing the

1083
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 6: whole artist journey of building a brand. I kind of

1084
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 6: started recognizing things that I didn't like and that I

1085
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 6: was going to do different, and for me, consistency was everything.

1086
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 6: I shot nine visualizers from month so all day on Instagram,

1087
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: TikTok YouTube shorts wherever I could, you know, push.

1088
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: Some dollars into it.

1089
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 6: I had little forty second commercials for my music outside

1090
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 6: of like all of the amazing I press I've been

1091
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 6: doing with BIZ three, my publicists. So I think it's

1092
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 6: just understanding that I need like these cultural elements in

1093
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 6: conjunction with like solid marketing around it. That's like the

1094
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 6: piece brand identity, the red dress, Okay, like the look

1095
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 6: the vibe had to all match what I was trying

1096
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 6: to kind of sell with the music. And sometimes a

1097
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 6: lot of songwriters and producers who are stepping into it

1098
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 6: don't necessarily come to it with that same perspective. But

1099
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 6: Victorian Monet, she really overstood, Like she like, yeah, Jack

1100
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 6: War when it's sane, she went insane. So there's like

1101
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 6: I feel like we're evolving and learning over time.

1102
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 4: I really respect that.

1103
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's great with you guys having the tools,

1104
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: because I always think the actual songwriters and vocalists make

1105
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: the best artists. So having the tools in the knowledge

1106
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: to do rather than yeah, I just have to do

1107
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey session and give my best records to whoever

1108
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: is the bigger artist in the room. Right I'm glad,

1109
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: Like if you go through Victoria's catalog and see what

1110
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 2: she's rope, Yeah, if she's.

1111
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: Been a partisan, it's amazing.

1112
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: Five years later she's now able to put out by

1113
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: herself where she can keep a lot of the records

1114
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: that she's writing instead of give them away.

1115
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 6: I mean, it's the industry changed too, Like at the

1116
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 6: time when Victoria was really trying to do the whole

1117
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 6: artist thing.

1118
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 7: In the beginning, it was it was.

1119
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 6: Just kind of tough, Like executives sometimes need to be

1120
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 6: in the same mindset of this is really possible and

1121
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 6: this can work. And I'm glad that the new school

1122
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 6: execs are like becoming more lenient and open to the idea.

1123
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: I mean they were very very hard to please around

1124
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 6: that time, like twenty ten.

1125
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, because they were still they were coming

1126
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: out of radio, still trying to understand the internet.

1127
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was.

1128
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 6: Just a whole different time. Structures were high, Yeah, stakes

1129
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 6: were real high.

1130
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't risking budgets on stuff that was unproven

1131
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: at that moment.

1132
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: They were terrified of the biggest job.

1133
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Like he's really all exactly you said nine visualizers for

1134
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: mut I do want to ask about mut this song,

1135
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: you had regular version Freddy Gibbs and the CB remix

1136
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, I just went to find a twenty

1137
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: one Savage song that I love off his last album.

1138
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: There's the sped up version, There's the chopped and screwed version. Yeah,

1139
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: there's the deluxe, there's the regular. I had to scroll

1140
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: through seven of the same album to get to that.

1141
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: Can you speak to the importance of remixing the remix

1142
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: of the remix in the streaming era?

1143
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 6: I just think content is king, and if you can

1144
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 6: find a way to reach different audiences with the same copyright,

1145
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 6: it'll feed the original version and potentially become something brand

1146
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 6: new for this song.

1147
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1148
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: Annelie Choppa is.

1149
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 6: Like an interesting example of that, of him like remixing

1150
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: a song three four times until he found himself in

1151
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 6: a position that felt like this is a whole brand

1152
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: new thing.

1153
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of smart.

1154
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 6: I feel like when artists raised their hands in this

1155
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 6: generation that's just overly cluttered with songs, content and things

1156
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 6: going on, I think it's important to find a new

1157
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 6: way to really brush off a song that could genuinely

1158
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 6: go crazy, you know, And I'm so thankful that right

1159
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 6: now we're at sixteen on a hot one hundred.

1160
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 7: That's a big deal. Top twenty is like a big deal, man.

1161
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 6: So I think a lot of that is due to us,

1162
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 6: you know, not giving up on the record after like

1163
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 6: two months or three months.

1164
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: You know, Like, I think you guys have been the

1165
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: perfect example of post promo being way more important.

1166
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: Than the rollout in this day and age.

1167
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Mutt is you know, coming up close to

1168
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: a year sort of yeah yeah, and now it's really

1169
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: climbing up every single day.

1170
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1171
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: It really kind of speaks to I think the new

1172
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: wave that any creatives or artists that are listening, like,

1173
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: post promo is way fucking more important moment.

1174
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: The rollout is cool whatever.

1175
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: If you want to create this build up this moment

1176
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: to that day and then it's like all right, cool whatever.

1177
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1178
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 6: There's a viral clip of Todler, the Creator, talking about that.

1179
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 6: He was like, I hate that the new artists feel

1180
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 6: like they're too cool for school to like actually promote

1181
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 6: their music.

1182
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm still promoting my album from last year.

1183
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 6: And that actually inspired me because I was like, you know,

1184
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 6: he's right, like sometimes you might hit him with the

1185
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 6: out now like a video, you're like, well it didn't work, like.

1186
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: Even like dollars wise, I mean, I know you want

1187
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: a major, but people that are independent, Yeah, maybe we

1188
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: should start moving the money to after the release. Then

1189
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: before the release, Yeah, use our connections for playlists to

1190
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: get shipped, at least posting them correct, right, but yeah,

1191
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: the money needs to be spent after. Yeah, let's see

1192
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: what works and then put our dollars into that shit.

1193
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: At any point when you had when you wrote mud, like,

1194
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how long you had it, but if

1195
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: you had it, what did you ever consider like this

1196
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: person would sound great on this like or was it

1197
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: always just something that was not was me?

1198
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 6: That was me?

1199
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 7: I knew that one was for me here.

1200
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 6: And it also it's like I think a lot of

1201
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 6: artists were too afraid to record that song at that time,

1202
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 6: Like there's no like example of something else that was

1203
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 6: successful with that sound for me. I even remember the

1204
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 6: label wanted to go with far Fetched first, and they

1205
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 6: were kind of fighting me on dropping Mutt first. But

1206
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 6: my whole argument was it's the title track and it's upbeat,

1207
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 6: and I think you know this is we only have

1208
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 6: two months to roll this out. This is a great

1209
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 6: opportunity to you know, pull people's eyes back into the

1210
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: other copyrights.

1211
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: You know, you can just like you just as a

1212
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: commercial and it worked.

1213
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: How important was it do you think that is for artists?

1214
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 3: Because make a good point. Sometimes the label will hear

1215
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: the album you turn in and be like, no, this

1216
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: is the one we want to go with. But how

1217
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: important is it for you as an artist to stand

1218
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: on your square when you feel that strong about a

1219
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: record like Mutt and be like, no, this is the

1220
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: one we're going with.

1221
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 6: I feel like it's balanced, man. I mean, first off,

1222
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 6: I don't know everything. You know what I'm saying. I'm

1223
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 6: thirty one, I'm still figuring things out. I make plenty

1224
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 6: of mistakes. I just personally feel like my music should

1225
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 6: reflect where I'm at, what I'm feeling. And I feel

1226
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 6: like that's how you're going to get the best out

1227
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 6: of me. From a marketing perspective too. When when I

1228
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 6: when I'm able to really identify with with the messaging,

1229
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 6: with the feeling that it's you know, given from a

1230
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 6: cultural perspective, So, I mean, I I do my best

1231
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 6: to just at least plead the case so that you

1232
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 6: know it makes sense to everybody involved, and I'm really

1233
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 6: lucky to have partners that believe in me and trust

1234
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 6: my word and my you know, and my taste.

1235
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 4: Do you still feel like you're you're a dog.

1236
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 7: And must year?

1237
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like that was just two years ago,

1238
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 6: you know, you know through that I had to go

1239
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 6: through it. But then you know, if you really listen

1240
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 6: to the record, it's it's two sided. The hook to me,

1241
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 6: I just said that because I felt like it was

1242
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 6: just really clever. If you take your time, what's the

1243
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 6: rush a dog on myma? You just think about the

1244
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 6: visual aspect of it, It's like it's just immediately you

1245
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 6: can see what's going on.

1246
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1247
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 4: But in the verses talking about.

1248
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 6: Being vulnerable, you can break my heart if you want to,

1249
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 6: you know, like I have trouble trusting.

1250
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: You know, he's all these pretty faces and doing this

1251
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: and that.

1252
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 6: It's like there's there's so many aspects of me kind

1253
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 6: of showcasing exactly where I'm at right now.

1254
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: Too.

1255
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 7: It's just hard to like focus. The reason why I

1256
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 7: may be.

1257
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: Quote unquote mud is because it's like, well, it's hard

1258
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 6: hard to focus with all of this.

1259
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 7: You know, these filters, you know, fake conversations.

1260
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 3: You posted the video when I think you were at

1261
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: a sound check for a show.

1262
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got the Chris vocals back. How is that?

1263
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we obviously give Chris his flowers. He's arguably

1264
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: one of the greatest ze the greatest entertainers. How is

1265
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: that to have somebody like Chris hear your record? And

1266
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: then I don't know how it happened? How did that happen?

1267
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: How did the Chris verse come up? Did you reach

1268
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: out to him? Did he reach out to you?

1269
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 6: My team actually reached out to him because I was

1270
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 6: scared to text text to do. To be real, we

1271
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 6: met like on probably like a year and some change

1272
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 6: before that, and he had heard my album Electric Dusk

1273
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 6: and you know, resonated with some of the songs. It

1274
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 6: was just really nice to me when we were outside.

1275
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 6: Always cool if you had a table yo pop through

1276
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 6: vib out, here's a drink, chill, you know, And I

1277
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 6: really respect people like that. And then the way that

1278
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 6: he even operated with this feature. He wasn't gatekeeping, and

1279
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 6: a lot of R and B artists getting intimidated or

1280
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 6: feel weird about, you know, helping somebody else up out

1281
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 6: on their journey up and He's just been so gracious

1282
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 6: and cool with this entire process. I only took him

1283
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 6: like a couple of weeks to record the feature, and

1284
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 6: he really wanted to make sure it was right, you know,

1285
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 6: And I respect artists like that, and I'm really hoping

1286
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 6: that I can, even later on down my journey, be

1287
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 6: the same kind of artist to be like, you know.

1288
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: What, yo, come on up? You know, yeah, here's how

1289
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 4: you do it.

1290
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 6: Try this, don't try you know, it'll mean like like

1291
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 6: give give back, pay it forward.

1292
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1293
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: How's the transition been? I mean, you know, obviously been

1294
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 4: very prevalent behind the scenes, and Electro Dust was I

1295
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: think number one on my list for that was twenty

1296
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 4: twenty three or twenty twenty three. I think it was

1297
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 4: my number one R and B album. But still, I

1298
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: feel like the shift of notoriety has been this year.

1299
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: How you've been dealing with that outside of just Chris

1300
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: Brown want to hop on ship?

1301
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 7: It's awesome, man, I mean, are you different?

1302
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: Are you this time? Yeah? I feel it good.

1303
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I know you feel like no, that's

1304
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: what I'm waiting with Korean facial.

1305
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, to be.

1306
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: This is somebody that's lying right now.

1307
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 4: You hate that ship. You don't take this attention. I

1308
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: could just be a long journey.

1309
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 5: Is crazy?

1310
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: That is that really part of your personality to like

1311
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: really be in the fortune like that.

1312
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 6: I mean like right now I'm doing club appearances like

1313
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: like it's getting wild.

1314
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. What you asked them to

1315
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 4: put on the sign when they come with a bottle?

1316
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 6: So uh, sometimes we playing to the record, you know,

1317
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: like you know much stuff.

1318
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 7: Leon Thomas is here, I don't know, I never am.

1319
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 4: And the one who actually here.

1320
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 6: To put on my sign, I Believen know bottles are

1321
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 6: coming out trying to leave yo social anxiety.

1322
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 4: You're a leo. You like that spot like she called

1323
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 4: me out.

1324
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's just fun to watch, Like you know,

1325
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: artists like yourself have that moment where it's like you

1326
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 3: have a Chris Brown feature. You know what I'm saying,

1327
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: Like that's like life changes now, like things are does

1328
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: totally different. More people are more eyes on you, more

1329
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: ears on you. But obviously if they're you know, the

1330
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: they listen to the album, they know that, Okay, this

1331
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: is somebody that's going to be here for a while.

1332
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: Because you're an artist it's not just a tick twenty

1333
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: seconds in the song that people fell in love with

1334
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: type of thing, like this is a full artist that

1335
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: people are getting.

1336
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 4: It's really cool, man.

1337
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm glad that my team forced me to

1338
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 6: to do the tiny desk stuff because I was scared.

1339
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I felt like it was early,

1340
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I want to make sure

1341
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 4: killing but that.

1342
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: It was too soon for that.

1343
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 6: Yes, I was like, I really wanted to kill it

1344
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 6: because that's like one of my favorite platforms to watch

1345
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 6: when it comes to live performance, because artists can't hide

1346
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 6: from like auto tune or reverb and like you know fixes,

1347
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 6: you know, like it's no acoustics, yo, like no acoustics indent,

1348
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 6: so you really got to be you know, raw what

1349
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 6: you're doing and like go in.

1350
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm glad they really.

1351
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 6: Really got me right with that, because I you know,

1352
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 6: I'm definitely a perfectionist. I want to make sure I'm

1353
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 6: really always coming through my best foot forward. But that

1354
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 6: was a great way for people to understand just the

1355
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 6: storytelling aspect of my records and kind of hear the

1356
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 6: nunciation a little bit better, less effects whatever else. And

1357
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 6: it's cool to see people digging from from over ease

1358
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 6: and domestic.

1359
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 7: You know he was in the UK for a few days. Yeah, yeah,

1360
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 7: I went to the UK for like a week.

1361
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 6: There's some Preconalvey show, some love y'all know, passport stand thug.

1362
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of TikTok right because as I'm looking at where

1363
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: Mutt is on the charts right now, because I'm on

1364
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: TikTok so much and I'm not really sometimes I don't

1365
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: really tap in with the charts.

1366
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: Mutt from TikTok.

1367
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this, it would

1368
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: seemed like it was a number one record because there

1369
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: was at one point, like a good three months of

1370
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: my life where you couldn't scroll on TikTok without hearing Mud.

1371
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 4: It was everyone background song.

1372
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: I always wondered if you guys are privy to that,

1373
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: But I know that TikTok is sometimes considered a younger platform.

1374
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 6: You know, my algorithm is so different on TikTok. It's

1375
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 6: like cooking videos.

1376
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: Uh well, usually we're a very artist friendly platform. Usually

1377
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: ship we usually blame the label and blame the team.

1378
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: I actually think that you team was correct for sure

1379
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: on that timing with Tiny Desk like.

1380
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: I thought that was perfect, you guys, that was good timing.

1381
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And this is why I listen, Like, yeah,

1382
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 6: we'll have situations where I feel like one thing will work,

1383
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 6: and but I love to listen too, because you know,

1384
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 6: I don't know everything.

1385
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: Are you nervous for the follow up? Because while this

1386
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: isn't your your first album, this was I feel like,

1387
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: the one that puts you on the map, And yeah,

1388
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: it's not the sophomore slump or that's something I feel

1389
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: like is in the back of a lot of artists

1390
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: head trying to follow up something that they're getting their

1391
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 2: first identity to the bar is like I mean.

1392
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 4: We got like a deluxe coming with more records.

1393
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 6: The way I really look at all of this right now, sonically,

1394
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 6: I've been this entire time spoon feeding more and more of.

1395
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 7: The real side of me musically, which is which is very, very.

1396
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 4: Very live, you know.

1397
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 7: So I've already known like that this even from up.

1398
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 6: We had live drums on it, live bass, live strings,

1399
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 6: like a lot of elements that were very classic, you know,

1400
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 6: but it was still spoon feeding.

1401
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

1402
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 6: Where I'm headed with this whole thing, and I'm not

1403
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 6: afraid of that, of that evolution, you know, And I

1404
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 6: really hope that everybody can go on that ride with

1405
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 6: me without getting upset about, you know, what they think

1406
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 6: I should be doing, because I'm an artist and I'm

1407
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 6: gonna be myself regardless.

1408
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: You know who's some of the artists that you're looking

1409
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: forward to working with in the future, Like you have

1410
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: your your white Boy, You're like, I have to get

1411
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: a record.

1412
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 6: All right, it's a it's a wild list, John May.

1413
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 6: I want to work with Charlie Poof. I know it

1414
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 6: sounds wild, but I think we'll make something amazing. And

1415
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 6: he's doing a lot of stuff on analog right now

1416
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 6: and we've been talking about it. And then I really

1417
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 6: want to work with her. I want to do some

1418
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 6: cool live stuff.

1419
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 4: I think it's crazy.

1420
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: I have not worked together.

1421
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well we grew up together working working on

1422
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 6: records before she even changed her name from Gabby Wills.

1423
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah her, we were cooking up joints and she's.

1424
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 4: Always been really supportive of me. Gabby's the best.

1425
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, But but I really look at collaboration, especially with

1426
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 6: my friends, like, Yo, it'll happen, is right, Tom?

1427
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, not to force it.

1428
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: It's dope, but I mean like somebody like gabbing yourself

1429
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: coming up to where you know she is and obviously

1430
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: you are. Now that has to be dope to kind

1431
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 3: of like bump into each other again and be like, damn,

1432
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: so much has happened, life has changed so much.

1433
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't like making my friends feel uncomfortable because

1434
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 6: everybody's trying to just balance out teams expectations, fans expectations.

1435
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 6: And yeah, we may know each other, but like at

1436
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 6: the time when I probably could have been trying to

1437
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 6: get records from her, like it's.

1438
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 4: You know, you want to do it. Yeah, I really

1439
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 4: respect the ground and the hustle. I know the game.

1440
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: We'll link back up on the strike. How did so

1441
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 4: rather be alone? Will be part of the deluxe from up? Yeah? Okay,

1442
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 4: do you think you'll be able to be on ddg's

1443
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 4: stream after that? I mean, I'm still cool with DDG.

1444
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: They laughed. At least I think you're publicist thought it

1445
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: was funny. No, I mean it's a good question, but

1446
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 4: like it's a great record. I don't I don't know.

1447
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how everybody's feeling. But he's my homie.

1448
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 6: We've been cool for a real long time. And and

1449
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 6: I feel like their situation is still amicable too, so parents.

1450
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 4: But you yeah, it's just you know, how did it's flowing?

1451
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 4: How did that record come out?

1452
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 6: She just popped by the studio. It was really just

1453
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 6: out of the blue. A friend of mine invited her

1454
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 6: by and we were listening to songs.

1455
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 7: She was like, Oh, I really like that one. I

1456
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 7: was like, say, let's opened up a verse.

1457
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: It's crazy, it's recording. It's crazy studio right now.

1458
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 5: You like this record?

1459
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.

1460
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: I feel like her and her sister are so fucking talented.

1461
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: I kind of want them to like this selfish ship.

1462
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: I want them to like stop working on their solo careers.

1463
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Like.

1464
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I would love you don't want a Colone Haley

1465
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: album like now together?

1466
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: Yes?

1467
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 4: Definitely?

1468
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 7: Well yeah, I mean I think both can happen simultaneously.

1469
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1470
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: I think like them together is a different type of vibe.

1471
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 6: What you gotta understand, too, is like they grew up

1472
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 6: doing a lot of records together, and I'm so glad

1473
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 6: that they both have been able to experience just life

1474
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: as adults in a different lens.

1475
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 4: You know.

1476
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm talking since like twelve years old. I

1477
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 6: was seeing videos of them, you know, doing their things.

1478
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 6: So I respect the fact that they allowed themselves time

1479
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 6: to just vibe out and sure their sisters so like this,

1480
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 6: there's always a back pocket album ready to go. Yeah,

1481
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 6: you know, Thanksgiving, they got a little record ready to.

1482
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 4: Be honestly, just letting them grow up and find their

1483
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 4: own way. I mean, what a great mentor to have.

1484
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 6: Like she really gets it, and she also understands what

1485
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 6: it's like to have sisters in your own thing and

1486
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 6: still be able to like come back together when the

1487
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 6: time is right.

1488
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. All right, So Leon, we've been seeing

1489
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: this whole shit on social media with all the Mount Rushmore's.

1490
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so we want to while we have you,

1491
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: we want to do a male R and B Mount Rushmore.

1492
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 3: We want to do an old school one okay, and

1493
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 3: a new school one.

1494
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 6: All right, but like define new school like after the

1495
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 6: two thousands or like what does that mean?

1496
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: Yes?

1497
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: Right now, I would say I would say the seventies

1498
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: to the nineties and then two thousand to now. Okay, perfect,

1499
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: all right, Well I'm close right, that's close enough, that's

1500
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: split it enough.

1501
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sick in.

1502
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: My head to realize that that could split it up

1503
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: that the seventies to the nineties is just as much.

1504
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 4: I turning thirty five in two weeks. So I'm going

1505
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 4: through right now, what do they have up there?

1506
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: They got baby So this person has Luther Vandross, Marvin Gaye,

1507
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder, and Babyface.

1508
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 4: Okay, cool? Who would you take out or replace? Who

1509
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: would I take out? Replace?

1510
01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 8: All right, guys, yeah, I ain't putting that energy on it,

1511
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 8: but give us, give us Lyon's yeah, more my top

1512
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 8: four because if it's old school, all right, it's gonna

1513
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 8: be Marvin, Stevie Prince and.

1514
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 4: Michael my Man's down. I'm not mad at that. And

1515
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 4: then new school.

1516
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 7: Usher the beginning Chris Brown, Tyrese.

1517
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 4: D'Angelo. First, let you do that because trees don't deserve

1518
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 4: his flowers. So even like that was.

1519
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 5: I was offering his name, you.

1520
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 4: Know, is amazing D'Angelo.

1521
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 6: And then also, you know what I gotta I gotta

1522
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 6: give it to Neo. I mean I'm talking like like

1523
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 6: a whole decade of hits.

1524
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you.

1525
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 3: Said Usher, Usher, Chris, Chris Angelo, Angelo nel Nel.

1526
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 7: Okay, That's where I'm at, all right, that's funny.

1527
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to argue these all the time. I

1528
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: can't argue that, and I kind of can't argue that

1529
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: old school one that they put up as well. Who

1530
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: are you taking out out of Luther, Marvin Gaye, Stevie

1531
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: won their babyface?

1532
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 3: Who replaces that? I'm taking babyface out and putting Michael

1533
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: or or Prince there for sure?

1534
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 4: But all right, this is R and B, R and B.

1535
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm not traditional. I'm not saying that. And of course

1536
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: there are Mike's there. They superseded any genre like that. Okay,

1537
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: so Prince is a rock star too, like yeah, but

1538
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 2: like it was his ability to mesh genres.

1539
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 6: But even like the early Prince ship, it was like

1540
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 6: really really hotly arm my.

1541
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: Favorite Prince over Michael. And I would never say that

1542
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: Prince is a R, R and B artist at all.

1543
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: Like he makes amazing R and B music, but most

1544
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: of his music to me would be more rock alternative pop,

1545
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 2: Like that's Prince to me, mmm, like you'll get a

1546
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: why don't you call me anymore type vibe? That's Prince

1547
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: can smoke R and B when he wants to, but

1548
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: he's not an R and B artist to me, Prince

1549
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: superseded music period.

1550
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then again, you can make the case.

1551
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: That Usher's R and B, but ushers also very pop, right,

1552
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know why these are tough on the

1553
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: rapper ones make sense for me.

1554
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, R and Slots is tough too. It's like

1555
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,879
Speaker 4: it's like to pick four crazy.

1556
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: But we argue before with the Mount Rushmore ship that

1557
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 2: it's maybe not the best, but Mount Rushmore is the forefathers,

1558
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: that's the initial ship, that's part of I think this

1559
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: would be the forefathers of everything we've heard from R

1560
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: and B.

1561
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, I mean because he went into pop

1562
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 4: a little bit as well. Like I don't think you

1563
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: get Michael the way you get Michael without Steede.

1564
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know, man, Just Babyface being there is

1565
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: just pissing me.

1566
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 4: He's like architect love R and B. Who hold hold,

1567
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 4: I don't want that. I don't want that.

1568
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't want that to come across the wrong way.

1569
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 5: Babyface is a fucking legend.

1570
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, but to see a Mount Rushmore of

1571
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 3: R and B, Nah, you gotta have see Michael Jackson.

1572
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 6: Oh no, yeah, I mean yeah, this, but what are

1573
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 6: we talking about? I don't because I feel like lists

1574
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 6: like this are always crazy to me? What engagement to

1575
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 6: get people under the arguing? Like the list always killed

1576
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 6: because I'm like, what are we doing?

1577
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: Thriller and Bad? How much percentage do you think is

1578
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: R and B? And how much percentage do you think

1579
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: is pop at a thriller?

1580
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: And that both both albums. But see but you but

1581
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: you're going you going to that those albums to when

1582
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: it was more of a pop vibe, like why not

1583
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 3: go off the wall?

1584
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but we can't. How much off the wall do

1585
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: you think it is? Well, I didn't choose all because

1586
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: I think off the.

1587
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 4: Wall is way more R and B.

1588
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: That's that. And then you got to go to Jackson

1589
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 3: in five Thriller. Yeah, he was like.

1590
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 6: Jones production, Like there's so many R and B elements

1591
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 6: throughout all of three.

1592
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Like as much as an R and B nerve as

1593
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: I am, I love pop music and do think it

1594
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 2: deserves its own category within.

1595
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 4: I mean he was king music is incredible. No, No,

1596
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 4: it's a lot.

1597
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: Of people, especially in the army world, think pop is

1598
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: a diss and it's not.

1599
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 3: I love you like saying that that artist is really popular.

1600
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: It's just like interesting even you heard the sense like

1601
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: on Thriller, Let's say Michael Jackson was just somebody you met,

1602
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 2: they gave you the DEMP. Michael gave you his demo

1603
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: on the side of the street, and you popped in Thriller,

1604
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: you would say this is an R and B song. No, No,

1605
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: even though it took over everything Michael does his pop

1606
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: because Michael Jackson, who Thriller?

1607
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 3: And go, that's why are you going to thriller? Why

1608
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: are you going skipping everything else before that?

1609
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: Two out of the three album to me are pop

1610
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,879
Speaker 2: of the main Michael Jackson era off the Wall, bad Thriller.

1611
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you okay, but I think that's potgers. But

1612
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: the thing that I think you're doing, I love the

1613
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: sound raftop. No, but you're going, you're you're you're forgetting on.

1614
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 4: Plenty of moments on there.

1615
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 6: I just think even our whole definition of R and

1616
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 6: B is skewed because it's like whole perspective that the

1617
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 6: definition of R and B back in the day just

1618
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 6: meant black music, man like straight up, like it was

1619
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 6: literally just the way to like separate the charts white

1620
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 6: and black.

1621
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: It's a segregation in real time.

1622
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 6: So my whole thing is like even as artists like

1623
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 6: a Prince may have nodes of of of rock and roll,

1624
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 6: which is uh, you know, also like a great black

1625
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 6: art form. I think it's it's like, you know, I

1626
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 6: think it's important that we allow these artists to still

1627
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 6: exist in that R and B conversation because I mean,

1628
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 6: I think at the at the time, it didn't matter

1629
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 6: what they did, they were going to be right there

1630
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 6: on those charts regardless.

1631
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 4: And while I.

1632
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: Agree with that, I feel like taking someone like baby

1633
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: Face off that to put prints would be unfair to

1634
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: Babyface and what he did for the traditional party, since

1635
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: you like, don't box an artist in like they're one

1636
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: of the Michael to me is still one of the

1637
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: greatest R and B artists. But to take away somebody

1638
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: that just dedicated their life just to R and B, Yeah,

1639
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair to take them off that Mount

1640
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 2: Rushmore when Mike.

1641
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 4: Was doing things that I personally, yeah, I personally like

1642
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 4: the the the list that they had, it makes a

1643
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 4: lot of sense to me.

1644
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, But like having no Mike is kind of interesting.

1645
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 6: I don't know, it makes no sense.

1646
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 5: Mic is new school, and I see what.

1647
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying that makes Neo deserves to be up here,

1648
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 3: and Neo deserves all his flowers.

1649
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: It's just wild to see Neo and Mike like next

1650
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: to each other. It's not the same era at all. Yeah,

1651
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

1652
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1653
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: This is uh Mike is Mike is You got to

1654
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 3: put Mike on that first list.

1655
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: It is damn well if we're taking Mike off this one,

1656
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: like who were putting up there like Marcus Houston.

1657
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 3: We're not I m X listen, listen. That was a

1658
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 3: very that was a very dope time was a legends.

1659
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: I think Leon Naylor, I think Deanels is the one

1660
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 2: that's right there.

1661
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 6: My whole thing is that on the original, the classic one,

1662
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 6: you have like somebody like Stevie who Ben Genres and

1663
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, hyper musical. You gotta have that in

1664
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 6: the mix when you talk about R and B, because

1665
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 6: in every generation you have somebody who's hyper musical, who's

1666
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 6: doing like things that are you know.

1667
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 4: So you're saying, take Mike off and put you that's

1668
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 4: what you're saying, Oh come on, now, what are y'all doing?

1669
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 4: That is not what I'm saying. I'm just trying to

1670
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 4: read a list that is not what I'm saying, like

1671
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 4: what not.

1672
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: Not to get too nerdy, but we've had this pop

1673
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: first R and B conversation for the last ten years

1674
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: on podcasts. Right, No, but arguing with people of like

1675
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: what defines pop and what defines R and B. You

1676
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: are a true true musician. Do you think there are

1677
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 2: pops sense that make music pop?

1678
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I also think it's like the song structure too.

1679
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 6: There's like certain melody cadences that kind of lend more

1680
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 6: towards like the pop genre. You know, pop music has

1681
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 6: always been interesting, especially when I was like first becoming

1682
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 6: a songwriter and a producer.

1683
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 4: I was like the Doctor Luke era.

1684
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 6: Of like you know, you know, like Taoe Cruise like

1685
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 6: stuff like that coming out, and I think it was

1686
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 6: it was kind of tough to write those songs, but

1687
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 6: the biggest part of all of them was a hook

1688
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 6: that was really catchy and memorable. I feel like sometimes

1689
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 6: in R and B you can you can have a

1690
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 6: run on sentence in the hook and just make sure

1691
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 6: you kind of come back around with the concept at

1692
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 6: the end of it, you know, you think about like

1693
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,440
Speaker 6: traditional ushare records sometimes.

1694
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 4: He would he would have wordy hooks, but.

1695
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 6: A lot of those big like pop records fairly fairly

1696
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 6: simple and repetitive.

1697
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I hear that.

1698
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 4: Again.

1699
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: We're not trying to get any crazy titles on our

1700
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: YouTube videos with clips. But what's the wildest session that

1701
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 2: you've ever been a part of.

1702
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 4: Hmm.

1703
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 7: I've been in some. I've been in some phone ones.

1704
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 6: I think like when I was in my producer hip

1705
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 6: hop era, I went to.

1706
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 4: Meek Male session and what's fun?

1707
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 6: First off, because he like he can freestyle a whole song,

1708
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 6: So I'm playing beats and he's like no, no, no, And

1709
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 6: then once he finally picked one, you know, he went

1710
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 6: into the booth and just like recorded it right then

1711
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 6: and there no punching. It was just like hook ready, boom,

1712
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 6: good to go. That same session, James Harden came through.

1713
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 6: It was like a party at the same time as

1714
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 6: the session. And it was cool because because I was

1715
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 6: playing beats, I almost felt like I was DJing the

1716
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 6: whole thing. We have mill like coming up with the

1717
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 6: craziest bars like all in the spot, Like I don't know.

1718
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 7: For me, that was probably one of my craziest sessions.

1719
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: I did want to also take this time to give

1720
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: Tie Dollar his flowers. He's to me one of the

1721
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 2: most genius writers period of my generation. What what are

1722
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: sessions with Ty?

1723
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:27,919
Speaker 4: Like? What is Tie's process?

1724
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: Like, I've never really come across somebody that can work

1725
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 2: that quickly and come up with that much stuff that

1726
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: is so genius literally just mutter out genius ship and

1727
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 2: then just walk away.

1728
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, A songs in the night. I've seen him do

1729
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 6: whole albums and be like, all right, let's do another one.

1730
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 6: Like I'm like, all right, that's cool, that's Ship. You

1731
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 6: just when it got that mix that's not coming out

1732
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 6: all right, almost the one you just.

1733
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 3: Went and got that it's not coming out of it.

1734
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 6: No. He to me, people don't understand how genius he is.

1735
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 6: I mean even when it comes to production, like the

1736
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 6: way that he'll executive produce certain records and the ideas

1737
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 6: that will come up with and how he can finish

1738
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 6: the song to me, really really showcases like just the

1739
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 6: heart of his genius.

1740
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: Man.

1741
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 6: I'm so blessed to be, you know, signed to him

1742
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 6: because I've been a fly on the wall to some

1743
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 6: amazing records.

1744
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 3: Bro.

1745
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 6: Like really seeing it come together in real time, has

1746
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 6: been just, yeah, a lot of studying for me, I'm

1747
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 6: walking away with some gems and.

1748
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 4: It's time more like hands on on.

1749
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying it would be your mentor per se,

1750
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: but are you more just watching or is he really

1751
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 2: trying to mold and shape what you're doing.

1752
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 6: I think Ty is a force in nature, So his

1753
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 6: biggest gift is just allowing me to be in his world,

1754
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 6: you know, and then the conversations that we have are

1755
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 6: very candid and real. If he does disagree with something

1756
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 6: or if he really feels strongly about something, then as

1757
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 6: an executive, I mean me being signed to his label,

1758
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 6: I feel like we can have those candid conversations without

1759
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 6: it ever feeling like boss energy.

1760
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 7: It is just my homie being like, Yo, let's try this.

1761
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 7: You should, you should really try.

1762
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 6: We always joke back in the day he was saying,

1763
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 6: you need to do afro beat record because for me,

1764
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 6: I was like, what, I want to kind of establish

1765
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 6: my R and B sound first, And it was it

1766
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 6: was funny because it was the first time him him

1767
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 6: being an executive, hurt himself being.

1768
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 4: Like an executive and what are the kids listening to?

1769
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 6: But what's really cool though, is that he's not wrong

1770
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 6: and and now I'm really excited to like collaborate with.

1771
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 4: Thames and Tyler all in Redma.

1772
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, All these all these amazing

1773
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 6: artists are like open to me, and you know, he's

1774
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 6: he's always been like the spark to like explore more

1775
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 6: things that in that space.

1776
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 2: Right before we get to voicemails, which is a segment

1777
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 2: where our fans like call in and either tell us

1778
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 2: the story.

1779
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 4: As for advice, it's always cool. We haven't heard them yet,

1780
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 4: so you know it'll be in real time, is yeah.

1781
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 4: But before we get that, like, what's your Tourstwag like?

1782
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: Because your show for this mud tour was on every

1783
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 2: single person I follow on Instagram from every city went

1784
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: to that shit. Every time I opened my phone it

1785
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 2: was you with the guitar, which made me so fucking happy.

1786
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious what your Tourstwag.

1787
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 7: Is like, I mean it was it was genuinely a

1788
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 7: lot of hard work.

1789
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 6: I was very tired, so, like you know, doing radio

1790
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 6: promo in the morning and then also doing like club

1791
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 6: appearances after the shows, Like I really didn't have time

1792
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 6: to be like super wild rockstar energy. I was really

1793
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 6: just trying to make sure I was on time for

1794
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 6: the radio shit in the morning because I'm really trying

1795
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 6: to like promote this and make genuine relationships and with

1796
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 6: the you know, programming directors, and it's just like, I

1797
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 6: feel like fun is down down the way.

1798
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for the appearances, man, you gotta find

1799
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: a friend that looks like you get the cap.

1800
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 3: Jeremiah game.

1801
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: Immediately like, oh you remember when Jeremih's brother came out.

1802
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I remember that ship.

1803
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 4: I feel like Party next Door has done it. That's

1804
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 4: that's the thing, man. I don't know. Man, No, I'm

1805
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 4: definitely posting some back vocals. Yeah, throw the hood on

1806
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 4: it up.

1807
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 6: But you know what, at that time, it was really

1808
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 6: helpful to my to my bottom line.

1809
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

1810
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 6: I mean hopefully I won't have to do it and

1811
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 6: it'll just be more so of something that we would scheduled.

1812
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 6: And to be honest, I like that intimate experience to

1813
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 6: just being able to sing the records, really see people's vibes.

1814
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 6: As the rooms get bigger, I won't necessarily have have

1815
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 6: those same I love.

1816
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 3: To hear a record or a few records with you

1817
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: in the.

1818
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,919
Speaker 4: Dream That would be amazing.

1819
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 6: Actually, I just did something with Tricky Stewart's artists, and

1820
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 6: that would be really cool.

1821
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 4: You know, get the game back together, Tricky and dreams.

1822
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 4: I'm waving.

1823
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm waving.

1824
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 4: I feel something cool.

1825
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 5: All right, So we got some voicemails.

1826
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna listen to some some voicemails from some of

1827
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 3: the listeners, and you know, they call in they ask

1828
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 3: for some advice or some things. So we're going to

1829
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: have you give some advice with us to some of

1830
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: our listeners.

1831
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 4: I bet let's see you have got mail? What's a

1832
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 4: little rory? Mom?

1833
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 9: De maris really love y'all shut out everything. Y'all do,

1834
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 9: really appreciate the pod. I just had a question about

1835
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 9: the situation that I'm in and kind of how y'all

1836
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 9: will handle it if y'all were in my shoes. So

1837
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 9: I'm twenty six. You know, I've been a provider for

1838
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 9: my family for a long time. My mom is disabled,

1839
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 9: she can't work. My daughter or seven, and me and

1840
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 9: my girl have been together for a long time and

1841
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 9: I kind of handle all the bills.

1842
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: I handle everything.

1843
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 5: My girl's money is her money.

1844
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 9: But I recently kunded a little bit of a hard

1845
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 9: time where you know, I've lost some money, you know,

1846
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 9: investing and stuff like that, and I've needed my girl

1847
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 9: to kind of help me a little bit. Well she's

1848
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 9: offered to help me a little bit, and you know,

1849
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 9: for me personally, it's kind of felt weird always being

1850
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 9: a provider, you know, my life, having everyone to rely

1851
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 9: on me, you know, accepting money from you know, I

1852
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 9: don't like accept the money from anyone, but especially for

1853
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 9: my girl. So you know, and she wants to give

1854
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 9: me that money. She doesn't want me to pay her back.

1855
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 9: She doesn't want anything. You know, she's kind of comfortable

1856
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 9: helping me. But you know, as a man, I feel

1857
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 9: like part of me just you know, doesn't like that,

1858
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 9: you know, it just doesn't feel comfortable doing that. So

1859
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 9: you know, if you I wanted to know, if y'all

1860
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 9: ever needed y'all girl to ever hold you down, would

1861
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 9: you take that money and would you kind of pay

1862
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 9: her back even if she didn't want you to, just

1863
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 9: on principle of being a man. And also if y'all,

1864
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 9: you know, if y'all want to send something zelse and

1865
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 9: cash apps over.

1866
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: You know, turning down a donation.

1867
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm your girl now, just kidding budget all right, Well,

1868
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: first of all, know you're worth king, that's right. Let

1869
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 2: her give you that money. You don't pay her back.

1870
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: Know you're worth It's a soft man era. That's where

1871
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: we're at now.

1872
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you like this, fam you take that

1873
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: money from your girl.

1874
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 5: Man, she's gone, bro.

1875
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 4: That's not Oh my god true. The truth is.

1876
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 6: The truth is she sees everything you're going through, and

1877
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 6: you're you're you're probably venting to her. I don't know

1878
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 6: if you're taking therapy for everything that you're going through.

1879
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 6: There's a lot of free options out there, but you're

1880
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 6: venting to her and she wants to help.

1881
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 7: And I don't think that's a bad thing. But I think.

1882
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 6: It's going to be very important for for you to

1883
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 6: balance what you're doing right now with what you're going

1884
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 6: to have to be able to provide moving forward, because

1885
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 6: it sounds like you're providing for a lot of people,

1886
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 6: people that you care about, that you love. You should

1887
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 6: definitely get into a developmental process of like maybe getting

1888
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 6: a gig that makes a little bit more. My boy

1889
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 6: went through that and he just graduated school and got

1890
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 6: a new gig and is making a lot more money

1891
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 6: and is able to kind of help out the whole

1892
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 6: family unit a little bit better.

1893
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 7: And it's a it's an important thing to maybe think about.

1894
01:25:55,320 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 4: That sounds great, said, once you get that on the deluxe. Actually,

1895
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 4: when you get back on your feet, which I know

1896
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 4: you will, you'll get there, right. I'm trying to get

1897
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 4: off his energy here. Yeah, she's gonna bring up in

1898
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 4: an argument the first time, how we feel this is

1899
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 4: what happened. She's probably an amazing woman. But I haven't

1900
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 4: been two years. Oh no, I've never had a woman

1901
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 4: give me a fucking thing. But I know women two

1902
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: years down the line bringing that up in an art

1903
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 4: It's not true. That's not always true.

1904
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: All right, When you're brokecast five and your crippled mother,

1905
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 3: they're gonna throw that the mother is the man of

1906
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 3: the house.

1907
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 5: They're gonna throw the mother, the crimpal mother gonna.

1908
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 4: Get a shot. That's you.

1909
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 3: And you couldn't pay the bills for your crippled mother

1910
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: walk for her, and I had to help you bring

1911
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 3: your mother down the stairs and get in the car.

1912
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: First of all, you said, your daughter seven, you and

1913
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 1: your girlfriend together for a long time, she's seeing you struggle.

1914
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: You can't pour from an empty cup. You can't take

1915
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: care of everybody until you're fully on your feet. That's

1916
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: your partner. Let your partner help you. And if you

1917
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: do have a partner who you even think would throw

1918
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: that back in your face, then you have the wrong

1919
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: partner and you don't need to be with her. But

1920
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: from what you are telling us, it doesn't sound like

1921
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: your girls. That type of person. You just it's really

1922
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: just share what the patriarchy has told you is and

1923
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not acceptable.

1924
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 4: That's your partner. You've taken care of her.

1925
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: You're not fucking up or make it being less of

1926
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: a man by allowing her to help you, which is

1927
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: actually helping y'all, Like, let her help you, you'll get

1928
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: back on your body.

1929
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 4: Man, we've all been jammed up. I'm not talking. I'm

1930
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: just saying she's gonna feel tell you's feeling bad about that.

1931
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 2: Man understand as a manager stuff when you're not to provide.

1932
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 2: I get all that, but he believe I'm just telling

1933
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: you she's listen.

1934
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 4: To Royal Maul. They think the worst kind of one.

1935
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 5: Hey, what's his name? Did he give us his name?

1936
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 5: Josh know he says his name.

1937
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 3: All right, Well, if he call us back in three

1938
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 3: months and let us know where you and your girls

1939
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 3: stand after letting her help you with some bills, can't

1940
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 3: wait to throw it back in his face. They lived

1941
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: together not for long, that right, y'all? Why y'all acting

1942
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 3: like we sitting all the time and go through the

1943
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 3: ship like damn like damn it. That's what she did

1944
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 3: to him. Did it happens?

1945
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

1946
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: Yes?

1947
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 4: What do you think she's saying in her group chat?

1948
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't think she's telling her group chat that her

1949
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: man is having money problem. She probably all want home

1950
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: girl she's talking to about it. But if she's offering

1951
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: to pay the money and saying, you don't have to

1952
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: pay me back, she don't care about that.

1953
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: Grants, When has a woman ever said you're here with

1954
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 3: some money and said you ain't gotta pay me back?

1955
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 4: And I've done it.

1956
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: I've been in a relationship with somebody who came upon

1957
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: hard times and I had to pass them some money.

1958
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 4: Yo, don't worry about that. You take care of me.

1959
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 4: I never would never throw that in there.

1960
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, but then what happen? You're not together?

1961
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 3: No more? Right?

1962
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, for other reasons. That's nothing to do with money.

1963
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, yeah, I know.

1964
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 4: Oh Man, No, okay, no, gotcha.

1965
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 3: It wasn't a fact that break up. Okay, cool well, Leon,

1966
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 3: we appreciate you stopping by.

1967
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 4: I can't appreciate your brothers.

1968
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 3: Man again, continued success, looking forward to the new project,

1969
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 3: new music. Thank you for for that phenomenal album last year. Man,

1970
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 3: it's been a pleasure to watch your you know, your

1971
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 3: career takeoff and watching you you know, perform in these

1972
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 3: venues and seeing people sing your songs. And it's a

1973
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 3: lot of ladies at these shows, man, And I'm gonna

1974
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 3: just need two passes. I got you at your earliest

1975
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 3: convenience whatever show.

1976
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: He's in Delaware. That's not that's not far down. I

1977
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 2: can't do. I'm a little too old for the we

1978
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: could go. I'm a little too old for that.

1979
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 5: That was Leon Thomas.

1980
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 4: Thank you for that. You could plug our record too.

1981
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 4: You don't have to just plug. No.

1982
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: Shout out to your record too, Man, to your record.

1983
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 3: Phenomenal joint. Phenomenal joint. A lot of people, a lot

1984
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of people, you know. The sound

1985
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 3: and the tempo was kind of throwing people off.

1986
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 4: And why we wanted to make that record.

1987
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 5: But as soon as Rory let me.

1988
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Hear, I was like, now this ship is fire, so

1989
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 3: together that joint too, That was Leon Thomas. I'm that nigga.

1990
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 3: He's just ginger peace.

1991
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 4: No Willia