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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put a time stamp on today's episode just

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Speaker 1: because we are talking about current events and we're not

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to talk about all of the drama of

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Speaker 1: this current event, like we're not focusing on analyzing anybody's relationship.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna talk about some of the stigma of

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Speaker 1: it and why it's important that we do have these conversations.

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Speaker 1: So today is March three two, it's much for the

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Speaker 1: fifth the eyes of March or does that exist? And

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Speaker 1: I just made that up. It isn't think I think

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Speaker 1: it's the fourth, but I don't know. I have not

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Speaker 1: thought about that in a very long time. You're welcome,

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Speaker 1: just because it isn't the forefront of my mind for

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Speaker 1: some weird reason and dates, you know, some odd reason. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's in the forefront of my mind. I don't know dates,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, I was like, Hey, tomorrow's sides

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Speaker 1: of March and there's a whole other complications did that

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Speaker 1: that I know very little about the history, So always

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Speaker 1: good to bring up something you know very exactly. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: just so you know, it's March third, not March four today,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, we just have to start with that time

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Speaker 1: stamp um do a content warning because we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a conversation on this Monday many about stalking, domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: and the term divorce violence. Yeah. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going around in the world, and it's not great. Things

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Speaker 1: seems to be again another dumpster fire of events that

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Speaker 1: have happened. You know, coming into the last three years

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Speaker 1: we've done really bad and being like next year is

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Speaker 1: gonna get better. Uh, we're still here, so we're grateful

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Speaker 1: for that, but it's not necessarily better. We've bet what

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Speaker 1: we've learned is just different, right, Yeah, And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to talk about in general, just about the controversies

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Speaker 1: that are happening. I feel like, yes, this is obvious

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Speaker 1: that we are always living in making of history, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like these are significant points in our lives

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Speaker 1: A lot of things are happening. Andy and I are

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Speaker 1: honestly having a lot of discussions on how to approach

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Speaker 1: it in the best way to not only get good

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Speaker 1: information but also highlight the people in the marginalized community

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Speaker 1: who are affected in a different way or in a

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Speaker 1: you know, in a way that is outside of everybody's

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Speaker 1: everyday mindset. Because we would like bringing in different perspectives,

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Speaker 1: that's what we like. But before we do all of

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Speaker 1: the world changing events, so we did want to take

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Speaker 1: some time to talk about this whole Kim and Kanye

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Speaker 1: to talk about the gossips and behind the things. And yes,

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Speaker 1: have I been keeping up. Yes, for me as someone

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Speaker 1: who does enjoy some celebrity gossiping like oh what's going

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Speaker 1: with what's going on. But more so I can't lie.

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Speaker 1: It's coming from like a social work perspective and as

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Speaker 1: a feminist perspective. Right, any So, just quick rundown just

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Speaker 1: in case you didn't know what this is, because this

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Speaker 1: is very privileged American centric situation that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Because again, there are more important things and we want

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Speaker 1: Kanye are getting divorced. We saw Kanye having some moments

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Speaker 1: go over all of that. There was a lot of concerns.

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Speaker 1: People were talking about his mental health, talking about what

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Speaker 1: have a good statement about that. Because we know that

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Speaker 1: This divorce has gotten really ugly and really public, and

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Speaker 1: as albums. Um Donda one and two has had plenty

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Speaker 1: well to being like, hey, I really wanted to take

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Speaker 1: was that a good rundown for you, Annie? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: saw today the music video came out. Kanye's music video

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Speaker 1: say exactly as where Kanye actually did exactly. Not only

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Speaker 1: between fifty and seventy of partner lethal violence cases in

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Speaker 1: that again it's kind of a joke, but people are like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what, what you know? He? I think

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Speaker 1: he was my friend, A good friend of mine educated

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Speaker 1: me on all of this recently, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: why are we looking up dick sizes? I don't need

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Speaker 1: to know this. I don't. However, all of that to

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Speaker 1: we're not having that conversation enough that how fragile the

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Speaker 1: this is that prime example of what it is, and

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Speaker 1: we can't just dismiss it as mental health needs. Again though, yes,

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Speaker 1: there's giant red flags and we need to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: like with that and what that looks like. But we

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Speaker 1: know plenty of people Pete Davidson right now, is that

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Speaker 1: example of he has the same diagnosis. Of course it's

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Speaker 1: differing in different people, but he's managing it, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the things that he's been dumped a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's been dumped a lot, and I've never seen this

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Speaker 1: level of acting out for him, who has pretty severe

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Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. Again, different people, different things, different backgrounds. We

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Speaker 1: know all of that has displayed. But just like in

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Speaker 1: any case of violence, going into leaning into saying that

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Speaker 1: it was because of a mental health diagnosis caused this,

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Speaker 1: that's able us And we're not going to go into

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Speaker 1: that narrative either, right right. And I would really love

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Speaker 1: to come back and talk about that romantization of possessiveness

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Speaker 1: I think you don't have to read that book even

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Speaker 1: though it's a psychology a book and one of the

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Speaker 1: authors is a man. Still Like, yeah, for sure, I

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Speaker 1: think so, because I you just see it all the

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Speaker 1: time and like our romance stuff, Um, well a lot, sorry,

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Speaker 1: it is a lot, and we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: other avenues we could we could go down with this

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Speaker 1: um and if you're interested, in any of those. If

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Speaker 1: you have any thoughts, we would love to hear from you. Listeners,

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