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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it live on a Draft Day

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition, merely Bo the great Z. How are you living, buddy, dude?

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Speaker 3: It it's Draft day, baby, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's Draft Day. So I'm living.

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Speaker 3: I'm living well. And you know, today it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: fun to get to be kind of a just be

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Speaker 3: a little spectator, watch it all kind of unfold. I

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Speaker 3: know that the Browns will, you know, be preparing for

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Speaker 3: Friday more so than today. But yeah, you know, do

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Speaker 3: a little TV on News five at seven from the

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Speaker 3: draft part.

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Speaker 2: Tell the people where they can find you.

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Speaker 3: Well, start right there. You got me till three.

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Speaker 4: Well, how about it?

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Speaker 3: Well want some draft covers?

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Speaker 4: Well, how about.

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Speaker 3: It TV News five seven to eight, and I will

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Speaker 3: get into my automobile. It will drive me here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I will join this radio program after consuming some

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Speaker 3: Prime Rib Prime Rib, perhaps some lobster and lamb. I

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Speaker 3: don't know that's the word. On the street. That's the

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Speaker 3: menu for tonight. Couldn't be more excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to get in on that.

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Speaker 3: I call that turf, surf and turf.

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Speaker 4: We're in nice. Although you keep mentioning prime rib and

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Speaker 4: there was no mention of prime ribb.

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Speaker 3: And well that's what I was told when I just

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Speaker 3: went down there. Then that I went prime rib. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know the deal. If there isn't if it's not turf,

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Speaker 3: surf and turf. If it's just surf and turf and

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Speaker 3: there is no prime rib, the Kingdom meats will be sad.

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Speaker 3: We'll recover. Then we need the double our lamb order.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I have to prepare his plate for him.

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Speaker 2: Should I mean, he's coming in high, he's zipping over,

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Speaker 2: he's entertaining the people.

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Speaker 3: I'm working more than more than two hours today, as

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Speaker 3: you like to say.

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Speaker 2: So you are a lot. Hey, what was your what

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Speaker 2: was your relationship with the draft?

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Speaker 3: As a kid didn't live in my neighborhood, we played

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Speaker 3: on travel baseball team together and had a pretty good time.

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Speaker 4: What's the relationship with the draft?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how to answer that.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: These are a kidney draft.

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Speaker 4: How did you watch it?

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Speaker 3: How'd you consume it?

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Speaker 2: Were you excited about it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: But it is not we're unfortunately for us and also

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Speaker 3: fortunately we're too old for it. Like this didn't exist. Like, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't even know if you were

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Speaker 3: to ask me what my first draft memory of, like

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Speaker 3: sitting there and watching the draft like this one that

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Speaker 3: I don't even know when my first memory would have been.

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Speaker 2: So in those days, it was on Saturdays, Yep. You'd

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Speaker 2: get like the first four rounds I think, and then

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Speaker 2: the last couple on Sundays. That the way it worked, Gibbe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a time where actually everything happened like

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Speaker 4: you went all day started, it went till like ten

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Speaker 4: or eleven at night. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I loved the draft as a kid. It was Uh,

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Speaker 2: we didn't have cable yep, so I would have to

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Speaker 3: Who's the first significant player you remember getting drafted? Like

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Speaker 2: First draft that I remember vividly was the remember watching

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Speaker 2: live was the Steve Empman, Quinton Coreott Colt's draft Emmon

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Speaker 2: when one Coreot went two or three.

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Speaker 3: Washington, Washington.

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Speaker 2: Coreot was a linebacker out of Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: They went at the top of that draft, and it

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Speaker 2: was like the Colts have figured it out. They have

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Speaker 2: their defense sorted out for the next decade. Not neither

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Speaker 2: one of those guys hit. And then shortly thereafter was

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Speaker 2: the infamous Kuiper with Tobin. Was it Vince Tobin?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Or was it was it that who it was?

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Speaker 2: Yes, where he said what the hell does mel kaiper

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Speaker 2: no or whatever about when they wanted to take Dilfer.

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Speaker 3: That Dilfer one. I remember I remember Heath Schuler getting

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Speaker 3: drafted for some reason. So I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: Remember probably ninety fourish, okay, somewhere in there, so high school, Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's probably it. Other than previous to that, the thing

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Speaker 2: that I would look forward to about the draft was

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Speaker 2: the Sports Illustrated that would come out the week before

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Speaker 2: where doctor z would like z doctor zah would put

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Speaker 2: these guys are gonna end up here. That'd be cool

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Speaker 2: if this guy ended up here. And I remember my

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Speaker 2: first draft, like memory period not watching it was the

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Speaker 2: Incredible Bulk, which was Tony Mandrich on the cover of

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. I want to say, in eighty nine, so.

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Speaker 3: I remember boz Bo Mandarich. Yeah, yeah, those were like

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Speaker 2: I feel like for sure, yes, absolutely, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't remember, like that was it. I want to say,

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Speaker 3: it's eighty four where you had Marino and Kelly and

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Speaker 2: I think that's eighty or eighty three, Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: something I don't remember right in there. No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't at all. There's a grade thirty for thirty

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Speaker 3: I don't watch that third.

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Speaker 2: No, I did two. I have no remembrance of that.

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Speaker 2: That was the first draft I remember, and then as

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Speaker 2: you get older, then I started to really get into it.

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Speaker 2: And then when Leif got drafted, he was somebody who

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Speaker 2: wasn't particularly like close friend of mine and an acquaintance

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Speaker 2: when he played out there, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, a guy I know

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Speaker 2: is going to get drafted. And the crazy thing about

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Speaker 2: that was with leif is I suppose by draft day

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Speaker 2: it was known that the Colts were taking Manning, but

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Speaker 2: in the lead up there was a lot of back

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Speaker 2: and forth that Peyton Manning couldn't win the big one

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Speaker 2: that was real.

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Speaker 3: So you bringing this up has now stirred my memory,

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Speaker 3: which that would be the Leaf Manning one two debate

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Speaker 3: is probably the first, like pundit draft debate that I

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Speaker 4: Go.

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair intensely yes, because you the knock

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Speaker 2: gone out the year before. He goes and plays the

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Speaker 2: senior season at Tennessee with the objective of I've never

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Speaker 2: beaten Florida. I'm gonna go win a national title. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna win the Heisman. He did not beat Florida. He

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Speaker 2: did play for a national title sort of. They played

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Speaker 2: they played Did they play Nebraska in ninety seven?

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Speaker 3: Ninety seven? This is the kid, this is Chucky Wood.

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Speaker 2: It's Chuck Wood for sure. But they split that national

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Speaker 2: title with Nebraska. I'm sure in his own personal record

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Speaker 2: book it's all there. Yes, So Manny didn't do that,

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Speaker 2: didn't to do any of these things he did. I

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Speaker 2: mean the Heisman finalists that year where Leif Manning, Woodson

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Speaker 2: Moss pretty good. So Leaf goes second, No, and like

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Speaker 2: stuff just came way too quick, wait, way too quick

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Speaker 2: for Leif. He just was not you know, Washington State

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Speaker 2: It just was way too much, way too soon. But

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Speaker 2: there was real dialogue around what to do between the two,

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Speaker 2: and the knock on Manning was he can't win the

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Speaker 2: big one. He never beat Florida, didn't win a national title,

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Speaker 2: couldn't win the Heis win obviously worked out quite well

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Speaker 2: for the Colts the way that it did turn out,

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Speaker 2: and quite spectacically.

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Speaker 3: Not so what's a Here's it's not a what if

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Speaker 3: because that's that's silly, that's silliness. But could you imagine

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Speaker 3: in today's day and age, so Peyton Manny gets picked

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Speaker 3: number one overall. Yes, and we know him as I

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Speaker 3: will say, he's on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks period

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Speaker 3: greatest regular season quarterback of all time, all of it. Yep.

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Speaker 3: His rookie season. Yeah, he comes into the league. He

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Speaker 3: goes three and thirteen and throws a league high twenty

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Speaker 3: eight picks and that was a record Yep, twenty eight

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Speaker 3: picks for a rookie in today's day and age. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he plays out that first season, and he

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Speaker 3: certainly doesn't get the opportunity to just come back. And then,

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Speaker 3: by the way, next year, he goes thirteen and three,

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Speaker 3: was second in the MVP voting, was third and Offensive

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Speaker 3: and began to become he just became Peyton Manning immediately

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Speaker 3: after one year. But you think about how few games

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Speaker 3: a guy like Zach Wilson or a Trey Lance or

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Speaker 3: any of these guys really get. You know, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: that he hasn't become Peyton Manning. But his rookiear is

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Speaker 3: kind of a debacle. But it was totally blamed on

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Speaker 3: the Urban Meyer situation, which was an unmitigated disaster. But

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Speaker 3: I just don't know, in this social media age and

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Speaker 3: this talking every talking at every single day breaking down everything.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he would have survived that and

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Speaker 3: gone on to have the career that he had.

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Speaker 2: So I think he actually alluded to that in a

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Speaker 2: whether it's I can't remember if it was a Peyton's

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Speaker 2: places or if he had if it was when he

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Speaker 2: had Burrow one of those guys on Manning Cast, but

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Speaker 2: he said that, he said, I don't I would not

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Speaker 2: have lasted now because the New York Yeah, right, but

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Speaker 2: like that, they just would not have had the patience

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Speaker 2: for me that I needed that year to see it

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Speaker 2: and struggle, and I don't. It's a great point, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like he addressed it within the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years with a rookie quarterback who was really good

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Speaker 2: as a rookie, and it might have been CJ.

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Speaker 3: Okay, might have been c J. Stroud. Did he have CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud on Manning Cast this year? I think they did,

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Speaker 2: yes's him, and I think he talked about it with

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Speaker 2: him about how you know you're doing this and this

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Speaker 2: is what I did as a rookie and don't look up,

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Speaker 2: you know, self deprecating like he always does. But no,

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Speaker 2: I think that's very fair and it does speak to.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any situation like, for example, Leif

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Speaker 2: could have been drafted. But there are a great many

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Speaker 2: players who have been drafted the least twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: especially at that position, where the circumstances they are drafted

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Speaker 2: into are untenable. It's a failure. David Carr in Couch

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Speaker 2: and you're you want to talk about, like what a

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Speaker 2: situation where you have to be the face of a

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Speaker 3: They almost shouldn't allow expansion to draft first round court,

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Speaker 3: like they should have to start with I want to

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Speaker 3: I might be wrong about this and it could have

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Speaker 3: come later, but in my mind, Jacksonville kind of started

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Speaker 4: It's not going well. They don't like they don't like

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, they are the great baseball city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty amazing that Georgia Frontier moved a team

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Speaker 2: No, no, who New York Giants, New York Giants, yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where the New York Giants football? Or around back then?

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Speaker 3: Those would be the two.

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Speaker 4: Interesting nineteen ninety eight draft Let me take you back

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Speaker 4: Woodson went for Curtis Enis five to the Bears.

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Speaker 2: He's an all time bust. He's a bigger bust. Thank

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Speaker 2: John Carter. Yeah, car blew out his knee twice.

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Speaker 4: Number six to Saint Louis. Grant Wistrom defensive end Nebraska,

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Speaker 4: Nebraska fifty three career sacks. Kyle Turley went seven to

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Speaker 4: Taylor to Jackson Villet nine, great career, Dwayne Starks the

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Speaker 3: Twenty five career picks. Good pick.

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Speaker 4: Randy Moss went twenty first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. There was one other Hall of Famer in that

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have cable you, but like when I got

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Speaker 4: I mean we we had wedding parties show up. I'll

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Speaker 2: when you think about just draft day, UNO's experience is

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Speaker 5: Yes, and because unfortunately my childhood Browns teams were not

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it's I don't know if they're gonna make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Braylin had sixteen touchdowns, Winslow went nuts.

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Speaker 4: No, Braylan got hurt because he was running around with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's sixteen years. Boys, it's what long way

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Speaker 3: this year. It's either're gonna be a defensive tackle, but

440
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Speaker 3: they'd still be a part of a rotation because they're

441
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Speaker 3: very high on Quentin Jefferson and rightly fully so. You

442
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Speaker 3: bring back Shelby, you bring back Mohurst, you got Yaki

443
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Speaker 3: get taken a step forward hopefully, and then Dalvin and

444
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 3: then wide receiver, and that's gonna be some buddy that

445
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Speaker 3: has a unique skill set, whether that be like a

446
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 3: Troy Frankly, you could just fat up fly, whether it's

447
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 3: UNO's guy, Malakai Corley. Pedro boots on the ground says

448
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: no way they're trading Brandon Ayuk impossible, and that they

449
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 3: will draft Malachi Corley and let Deebot walk next year.

450
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Speaker 4: That's fine. I want Pedro on the horn the moment

451
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Speaker 4: it happens. I want instant reaction with you.

452
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know if he's so used to defeat

453
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Speaker 2: on this show. Yeah, this is he just gets battered.

454
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Speaker 4: Every no, no, no, like I want boots on the ground.

455
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Speaker 3: It comes here. It's the red wedding.

456
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Speaker 2: We sent our regards. That's right, Go home if you can,

457
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Speaker 2: if you have your appendages. What is a draft? Since

458
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: you guys have been working here where in the moment

459
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Speaker 2: you thought we nailed it, and one in the moment

460
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Speaker 2: where you went, oh no, what have we done? Is

461
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Speaker 2: there one of each of those?

462
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Speaker 3: Well twenty fourteen?

463
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to.

464
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Speaker 3: I mean you've got.

465
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Speaker 2: But I understand you've told the story on the pandemonium

466
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Speaker 2: of it. But did you like did you? Because you

467
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: were looking at tape at that time, I was did

468
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Speaker 2: you like Johnny soh?

469
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Speaker 3: My evaluation of him was and the title of my

470
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: report was the quarterback you can't draft. The quarterback you

471
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Speaker 3: can't afford to pass up, but the quarterback you can't draft.

472
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Speaker 3: And I said, you guys are gonna have to answer

473
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Speaker 3: the question. I'm not in the room with him. I

474
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Speaker 3: don't know what kind of Yeah. If he's driven to

475
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Speaker 3: actually study and work and all of those things, he's

476
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Speaker 3: very fun. I came out of that being like Mike

477
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: Evans is unbelievable. Watching his tape, I'm just like, oh,

478
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Speaker 3: so you just throw it up to Mike Evans, right,

479
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: great play And by the way, it's worked in the

480
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: NFL so well, to a gold jacket thousand yards every

481
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: single season he's been in the league. So you felt

482
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: like at that point, so the way that it was presented, obviously,

483
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: and the story of what actually happened with Justin Gilbert

484
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: is long and distinguished and troubling, but like that was

485
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Speaker 3: presented like we got Antonio Cramarti to play Pettin's defense,

486
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Speaker 3: and we got you know, our quarterback now is going

487
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Speaker 3: to be exciting and changed the game, like you just

488
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: all went into Alabama being Alabama sophomore, right, So, like

489
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: that was the one coming out of it. And certainly,

490
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Speaker 3: while it didn't help on the field, business wise, it

491
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: was a Lanza, a total home run. So that was

492
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Speaker 3: one where I thought for sure that you know, we

493
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Speaker 3: really had we really had nailed that. In terms of

494
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Speaker 3: the other way around, I would probably say for me

495
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Speaker 3: one where I was just like, huh, maybe it's hard

496
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Speaker 3: to say, maybe like sixteen when we drafted a million

497
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: people and it was like they just kind of wanted

498
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: to get guys who won awards basically is what it

499
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: felt like. You know what I'm saying. You remember that, Gibbe.

500
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to pull that draft up right now.

501
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Speaker 2: Sixteen Is that like.

502
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Speaker 5: That's Corey Coleman's draft for the Browns and they Wiggins

503
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Speaker 5: was in.

504
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Speaker 3: There, Higgins, Ricardo, Lewis Kessler, like natal raft had a

505
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: thousand people. Yeah, Randall Telford, Yeah, I'm gonna try it.

506
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Speaker 3: I'm going through now, draft by draft for when I

507
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: I just did this with my dad last night. We

508
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: did every Browns drafts in two thousand. My first draft,

509
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Speaker 3: my first draft doing Brown's Daily was I'd call it

510
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Speaker 3: fun know, Okay, I'll tell you the one where I

511
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: was first was my first draft, which was twenty thirteen,

512
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Speaker 3: Barkievius Mingo at six. We didn't have a second, and

513
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: then we took Leon McFadden right before the Honey Badger

514
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: went to Arizona.

515
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Speaker 2: Who went who went right around Mingo. It was a

516
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Speaker 2: it's a terrible draft period. Is this like the air

517
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Speaker 2: Eric Fisher?

518
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is. Yeah, there were How do I

519
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: pull up that that?

520
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 4: We actually made a trade that day with the Steelers

521
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: trading picks and the Steelers so the Steelers could move

522
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: up and take someone.

523
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Speaker 3: So the best players drafted in that first round you

524
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Speaker 3: had just I'm just keep it. In the first round,

525
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: Yep Lane Johnson went Forth was a very good pick.

526
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Speaker 3: So it went Eric Fisher, Luke jokel Dion, Jordan, Lane Johnson,

527
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: Ziggy Asa Barkibious Mingo, Jonathan Cooper, Tavon, Austin D. Milner

528
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Speaker 3: did not work out, Chance Warmax, Oliker, d J. Flucker,

529
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Speaker 3: d J. Hayden, Sheldon Richardson, Star Lutaliley, Kenny Vaccaro, ej Manuel,

530
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Speaker 3: Jarvis Jones, Eric Reid, Justin Pugh still in the league,

531
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Speaker 3: Kyle Long, Tyler Eiffert, Desmond true Font, desnmtd true Font

532
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: might have been one of the better players in this

533
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Speaker 3: first round. Sharif Floyd out of Florida than Bjorn Werner,

534
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: Xavier Rhoads, Davy Roads might have been one of the

535
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: best people Dayton Jones. DeAndre Hopkins is the best player

536
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 3: taken in this first round. Sylvester Williams, Cordero Patterson, alec Ogletree,

537
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Travis Frederick, matt Elam. That was the first round.

538
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Speaker 4: I just remember because that was my first year.

539
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey first pick of the third round, Honey Badger

540
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: picked sixty nine, picked sixty eight was Leon.

541
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Speaker 4: In the fourth round, we traded with Pittsburgh. We traded

542
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Speaker 4: our fourth round pick for Pittsburgh's twenty fourteen third round pick.

543
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 4: And everybody's like, no one trades with them. You don't

544
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 4: trade in the division. You know what are you doing?

545
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: But the building was under renovation, so the media and

546
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: all of our shows had to happen in the field house.

547
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: Joe Banner says, at the you know it's day three.

548
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 4: Joe Banner says, We're not coming down after we make

549
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: our last pick. We're coming down after we sign all

550
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: our free agents. Prescott Conference was ten pm Saturday night.

551
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to shot myself.

552
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: That's awful.

553
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: The one I was most sure of from a Brown's draft,

554
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: and then also in most disbelief from a Brown's perspective,

555
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: was the one with Trent Richardson. So like, if you

556
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: were to convince me that Trent Richardson, I didn't think

557
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: Trent that was the Andrew Luck Robert Griffin draft.

558
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: Ye.

559
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: At no point was I like of the belief of

560
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: like Trent Richardson draft a running back third overall at

561
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: that time. You still did, Yeah, you did. But the

562
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: thing with Richardson was, to me, he was a can't

563
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: miss yep. He had tree trunks for legs. He was

564
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: the fastest guy at Alabama. He never got caught. He

565
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: returned punts, and he was a running back, and he

566
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: was big and physical and all these things. And you thought, well,

567
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: the worst damn case scenario is you got Jamal Lewis.

568
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: That's the worst case. You got an eight year career,

569
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: twelve hundred yards a season, if you get Nick Chubb.

570
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: That's what you thought. That's what thought. I thought, it's

571
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: impossible that that won't hit. Yes, Now, what nobody knew,

572
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: including anybody who drafted and anybody into evaluation of him,

573
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: is that he couldn't he couldn't read it.

574
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Well, that's why it was an unbelievable trade. When you

575
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: think about the fact they tried him for a first

576
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: round pick.

577
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's crazy because they knew it. Yep, and

578
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: it was known. But like so, that was one where

579
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: I was most excited and most wrong. The one in

580
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: that same draft, i'm pretty sure is also the most

581
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: disappointed in the most right when they drafted Brandon Whedon

582
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: who's a twenty seven year old quarterback at of Oklahoma State.

583
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: It was a system guy with a big arm, who's

584
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: a pitcher, but who drafted a twenty seven year old

585
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: quarterback in the first round. That was one. I was like,

586
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: why would you ever do that? So those things happened

587
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: in the same draft. Neither one obviously worked out. But

588
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: I was so convinced Richardson would be good great of

589
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: course minimum, and so convinced that Whedon was silly.

590
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: And he wasn't bad as rookie year Richardson, Yeah, I

591
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: want to say it.

592
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: Was like probably three point nine to carry. It was

593
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: that type of thing. Yeah right. He had a lot

594
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: of volume. He caught a lot of passes. Yeah, yeah,

595
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: all right. I got another draft for you. Here's twenty fifteen.

596
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: This is this is this is a horrific draft. Twenty fifteen.

597
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: You have two ones, A two, two threes, two fours.

598
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: You could turn your franchise around it. This is half

599
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: of those.

600
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 2: This is the draft where I did the bit of

601
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: just take the guesswork out of it and draft the

602
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: best available Buckeye at every pick.

603
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: Well they did not, they picked I don't think we

604
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: took This is one where you're sixteen? Is it six?

605
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: Which is the one?

606
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: No?

607
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: No, let me just no, it would have been.

608
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: I think it's fifteen.

609
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: The full draft afterwards. But here's what we drafted. Two ones,

610
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: A two to two threes, two fours. Danny Shelton pick twelve,

611
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: Cam Irving picked nineteen. Like that's using your most valuable

612
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: resources on guard. In a detail, he was supposed to

613
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: be a center, yeah, and it and a d and

614
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: a non pass rushing defensive tackle. Nate Orchard was picked

615
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: fifty one out of Utah.

616
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: Good dude, but good dude.

617
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Made in the league seven years. All these I mean

618
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: Shelton mad league eight years, Irving nine years, Orchard seven,

619
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: Duke Johnson eight years. And then Xavier Cooper out of

620
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: Washington State was in the third round. He made three years.

621
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Ibrahim Campbell and Vince Mayley were your two fourth round picks.

622
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: And then he had Charles Gaines and Malcolm Johnson, Randall Telford,

623
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Speaker 3: Hayes Pollard and efo ech pre Olomo. Whoever.

624
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 6: That guy should have been the truth.

625
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: His knee injury. That's the jamis Draft twenty.

626
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 6: Fifteen should have been good out of Oregon.

627
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: Sixteen sixteen is the one where I did draft best

628
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: to sixteen out of he was coming out of that

629
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: draft that I said, just take the guesswork out of it,

630
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: just draft the best available.

631
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Speaker 3: Buckeye sixteen you have one, two, three threes, four fours,

632
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: four fives, and you pick Corey Coleman bust, Emmanuel Ogbas

633
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: solid career still in the league, Carl nasab Okay Sean

634
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: Coleman kind of off field stuff to derailed him in

635
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: terms of sickness, and Cody Kessler in the third round.

636
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: Joe Schobert good picking the fourth round, Riccardo Lewis, Derreck

637
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: Kindred Self, DeValve, Jordan Payton, Spencer Drango, Hollywood Higgins who

638
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: was ended up being the best. I mean, like Ricardo

639
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: Lewis had five hundred yards received for his career, Trey Caldwell,

640
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: and Scooby Wright out of Arizona. I mean that draft

641
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: was Scoob That was rough because then after that you

642
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: start getting to the point where we were so bad

643
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: that you got real people. Seventeen is Miles Yea, the

644
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: eighteen is Baker, and you know, yeah, this is a

645
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: pretty good draft. You still have guys that are playing

646
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: at a decent left, Miles Jabrill, David Njoku, Larryjogan, Jobi

647
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: those were all pretty darn good picks.

648
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: There, So I'm pretty sure. And if sixteen, the best

649
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: available Buckeye thing that I laid out would have elicited

650
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: Taylor Decker and Michael Thomas with your first two picks.

651
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: Yep, that would have worked.

652
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 6: MT fell really far that your second rounder.

653
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's possible that the third and I think

654
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: von Bell was a third second rounder. But anyway, if

655
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: you just had done that and just took and the

656
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: guesswork out of it, but that's what makes us look

657
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: it's so fun. You're this is the catbird seat situation

658
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: you're in now where you don't you have all the talent.

659
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: You're not worrying about those things. But you can understand why.

660
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: I guarantee you people out there listening right now are

661
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: going like, I know where I was when this happened

662
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: or when this happened, and like you were explaining, you've

663
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: told the story before, like the euphoria around Manzell Oh

664
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: was it was rock star stuff.

665
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: It was rock stars. It didn't be and I'm not

666
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: saying this to be fine, but didn't like hammer cry yes,

667
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: you wept, did he on air when we picked Johnny Manziel? Yes, yeah.

668
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: Ohio State had twelve players drafted in twenty sixteen.

669
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bosa he would available, wouldn't.

670
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: Have been Eli Apple, Taylor Decker, Decker would have been

671
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: Darren Lee, Michael Thomas. What happened to Bond Bell? Adolphus Washington?

672
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: Those are your top ones, top.

673
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Eight of the twelve, So it's possible that Bell would

674
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: have been there. They definitely if it just the strictest

675
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: next Buckeye available would have elicited you, Decker and Thomas.

676
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: Those eight went in the top eighty.

677
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

678
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, there's.

679
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: It's loaded.

680
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

681
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: So this will be so you can sit back and

682
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: relax and watch. There will be some action. We'll get

683
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: into that some of the things that we're hearing it

684
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: that they could happen at the top of the draft,

685
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 2: possible trade partners have some fun today. But again this

686
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: is a sit back and watch for Browns fans, and

687
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: then tomorrow we will get to do some heavy lifting.

688
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,480
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Speaker 2: a nice khaki panted to see who's that? Oh, there's

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Speaker 2: your guy right there, double tea, and then a new

700
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: secret choice out of him. I wasn't sure what I

701
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: was wearing. It was an all white, so I do

702
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: a strong look different. I'm getting it. I don't know

703
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: what's happened. I can see, Yeah, you're here, I know it.

704
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: There's something that has changed in the makeup of this

705
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: facility to where now there is a lot more glare

706
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: over there than there previously was.

707
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: It could be that one right behind here. I don't

708
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: know that way.

709
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it used to be a relatively

710
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: clear I can see out here. You got a lot

711
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: going on. There's a lot of lighting around TV.

712
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: By the way, when you walked in. Did you see

713
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: the new accouterment that have been at it? It did to

714
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: me that's going to be a game changer. That's now

715
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: become a space of common that people use. That changes it.

716
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Did you do you know what it is? I don't.

717
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: So it looks like to you what how would you?

718
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: I mean I just looked at it briefly, the whole hole.

719
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: Please in my mind, it's a misshapen getting a look

720
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: at it. Okay. So there's a table outside of our

721
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 3: studio right now, and in the middle of the table

722
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: was set up for you know, electrical but there's of

723
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: course no electricity just out in the middle of the hall.

724
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: So they have put what what is? How does that?

725
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: What does that appear to be too?

726
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: From the disadvantage, I wish I'm going to do a

727
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: disservice because I can't get on top angle.

728
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: What does it look like?

729
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: And it looks like something my wife would put on a.

730
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: Table, like a stone disc that is kind of misshapen,

731
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: like one side is significantly thicker than the other. It's

732
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: actually okay, a tic tac toe board.

733
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: My kids would love it. They're big tech tooe tic

734
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: tatoe of restaurants.

735
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: But at some point you realize that once two people

736
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: know how to play tic tac t, nobody ever wins.

737
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: The problem with it is is we boots. He had

738
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: that realization the last when we were in Hawaii. He

739
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: was he always as soon as we sit down, tik taktoe,

740
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: Daddy starts drawing him up. So I get to the

741
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: point where I'm like, dude, He's like, Dad, it's always

742
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: cats game.

743
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Can't be one.

744
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: That's you'd have to be a real big moron.

745
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you did it, if you hadn't played before,

746
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: I think a person of intelligence could still get it

747
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: wrong at the beginning. But once you have lost once

748
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: to that method, one loss, Yeah, once you once you

749
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: let him get one, two, three on you. That's it.

750
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: That's it, that's over right.

751
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you make of what's going on in Cincinnati?

752
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 2: Trey Henderson wants to trade?

753
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: Now? Am I supposed to be sad? Is it supposed

754
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: to make me sad? Now it makes me brilliant.

755
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: It's thrilling.

756
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, your young good talent, and you brought him

757
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: in at free agency. You drafted t Higgins and now

758
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: they all are they want out, they want money, and

759
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: ultimately that's what this business is about. It's about the Monday,

760
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: and it's about getting money to the players. And if

761
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: you're not willing to do that, they're gonna be unhappy.

762
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: And to me, like they trade, they're not I'm guessing

763
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: they're not gonna.

764
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: They're not gonna accommodate him or Tea.

765
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: But do you have guys who are playing like malcontents, Well, worse.

766
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: Than that, you're gonna have a situation well not good, depression,

767
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: you have all of that. They're banking on Burrow to

768
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: overcome all of that. The other thing zee that that

769
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: that it seems to me like is that Mike Brown

770
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: would rather lose somebody for nothing rather than lose somebody

771
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: for less than market value. Yes, because Higgins is gonna

772
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: walk for nothing, Hendrickson.

773
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: Mice maybe's hoping for a compensatory third. Okay, you can

774
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: catch his eyes since knocking who know water, it's so

775
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: good at that. Yeah.

776
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: The other thing you have to remember though, with the

777
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, like the Brown family, while

778
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: worth a great deal, is not liquid. So when you

779
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: think about the notion of like.

780
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Like the Spanos has had that issue.

781
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of them. There's actually more than I

782
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: was thinking about this this morning, and by my count

783
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: like instances where the wealth was accumulated because of the team,

784
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 2: there are none in the AFC East. In the North

785
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: there are the Bengals and the Steelers. In the South

786
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: there are the Colts and the Adams, so Titans and Colts.

787
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: In the West it is Spanos in the Chargers, and

788
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: it is Vegas where you would have family wealth accumulated.

789
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the Hunt family they've owned, but

790
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: I think the wealth came before. I don't think it's

791
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: because of that. Are the Mars still in control in

792
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: New York?

793
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 4: I know?

794
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 2: Partial? But are they fully I think so. I feel

795
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: like they took on McCaskey obviously. In Chicago that's Hallas

796
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: Green Bay is what it is. In the South, no, nope,

797
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: not in the South, and in the West, the Bidwell,

798
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: that's it. Those are the families that the wealth was

799
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: accumulated primarily because of owning an NFL team. Yep, you

800
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: just remember, like the Bengals, I mean, Paul Brown's a coach,

801
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: you know, so they don't have they don't have that

802
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: to work with. So This could be a real problem

803
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: for them, and that's what's a critical draft for them.

804
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: They need to land a bunch of guys. Yeah, Lamara

805
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: family still the primary I got. This is crazy, the

806
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: generation of his family to own the Giants. His grandfather

807
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: Tim founded the team in nineteen twenty five.

808
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: This is from Wikipedia.

809
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: Yep, so.

810
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: Take of the grain salt. But at the same time,

811
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: probably right, Arizona Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell, you're acquired in

812
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: this family nineteen thirty two. Purchase price fifty thousand dollars

813
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: fifty k Arthur Blank Atlanta Falcons bought in two thousand

814
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: and two. Purchase price five hundred and forty five million.

815
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, quite investment.

816
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Quite the investment.

817
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: Steve Bashatti three hundred thousand dollars to buy the Baltimore

818
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: Ravens in the three hundred million, I'm sorry in two thousand. Wow.

819
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. The Pagoulas bought them in twenty fourteen for

820
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: one point four billion. So now you're starting to get

821
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: David Tepper Carolina Panthers twenty eighteen two point two seventy

822
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: five billion. The Chicago Bears bought in nineteen twenty four

823
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars.

824
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Hollis created the Bears.

825
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: Created the Bears Mike Brown for greater than two hundred

826
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: million in nineteen sixty eight and says and twenty eleven.

827
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what two years means. The Haslms bought.

828
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Two hundred million in nineteen sixty eight, so.

829
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: It must be two twenty eleven. Yeah, they buy it

830
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: our Yeah, but in twenty twelve the Browns bought, so

831
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: we maybe needed to add it another two hundred million

832
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: to buy out whatever was remained, because the Browns were

833
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: bought in twenty twelve the very next year by the

834
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: Hasms for one billion.

835
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: Jerry Jason the one.

836
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: This is the one. DA Cowboys is nineteen eighty nine

837
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: for one hundred and forty million dollars.

838
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: This is the one.

839
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not gonna what do I know about nineteen

840
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: thirty two and the Bidwells buying the You know, I

841
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: don't who knows that even means?

842
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: What sport?

843
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: What are we doing? You're coming out of the depression.

844
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Who knows what you're even buying? But when Jerry Jones

845
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: bought the Cowboys, you had a pretty good idea what

846
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: you were buying. At that point, they were already branded

847
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: as America's team. At that point, they'd already won three

848
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Now, they were in a tough spot in

849
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: terms of the fact that they were didn't have a

850
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: great roster, but he was smart enough to hire Jimmy

851
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Johnson and let him go to work and they did.

852
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: But they were a brand. I mean, the Dallas Cowboys

853
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty nine were a brand where I grew up.

854
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: Alas hell.

855
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in the open of the show, Dallas,

856
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: and it was it would come out after the Dukes

857
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: of Hazzard and then there you go, let's watch a

858
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: little Dallas at least for the open. I love that

859
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: open as a kid. Say, But the thing that the

860
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: point I was going to make on this is if

861
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: they were known they were at that time. No, they

862
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: were not the Yankees, but they were every bit the

863
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: Lakers at that time. Oh yeah, kids, where I grew up,

864
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: you had to pick a team. There were so many

865
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Tony dor Set jerseys, herschel Walker jerseys, like America's team.

866
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: And he got it for one hundred and forty millions

867
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: worth ten billion. Now, yeah, that's the one where it's like,

868
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: that's holdly cow. What a That's one where you knew

869
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: what you were buying. It seemed like a great deal

870
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: at the time, and then it's been that one hundredfold.

871
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: I mean some of these these are they were all

872
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: good deals. I mean the most recent, obviously is Denver

873
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 3: Rob Walton four point sixty five billion. Yeah, the Lions

874
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: for four million in nineteen sixty three. The Houston Texans kalmcnair,

875
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: this is a pretty good one. Nineteen ninety nine for

876
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: seven hundred million. Indianapolis Colts ERSA in nineteen seventy two

877
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: for nineteen million.

878
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: Dollars the Baltimore Colts at the time.

879
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: This is a pretty Shihe'd con bought the Jags in

880
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: twenty twelve for seven hundred and sixty million. The Browns

881
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: were one billion, so he got.

882
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me, yep, that the Jaguars would

883
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: be worth sixty percent of the Browns.

884
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: Chiefs twenty five thousand, the Hunt family bottom in nineteen

885
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: sixty Raiders at list no price, Chargers Dean Spanos for

886
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: seventy two million in nineteen eighty four. Yeah, that's worked

887
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: out very nicely for him. The Rams Kronkey, this is

888
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: outrageous for eighty million and ninety five, and then to

889
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: buy everybody out four hundred and fifty million in twenty ten.

890
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: So all he's got, he's gotten into it five hundred.

891
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: Million, five hundred million. Now he did have to build

892
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: the stadium out of his money, yep. But they're probably

893
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: worth seven billion now, yep or eight.

894
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: This is a we're out to run to a streak

895
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: of very good ones. Dolphins two thousand and eight, one billion,

896
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: Stephen ross Ziggi Wilf for the Vikings in two thousand

897
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: and five for only six hundred million, Robert Kraft in

898
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: ninety four, Patriots one hundred and seventy five million, Oh

899
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: my gosh, New Orleans Saints in nineteen eighty five, Gail

900
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: Benson sixty four million. Oh that that's that's a pretty

901
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: good one too.

902
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: So that's amazing. So he got the Saints in eighty

903
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 2: five for sixty four million. The Saints were hapless. Jerry

904
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: got the Cowboys for one forty four years later, four

905
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: or five years later.

906
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the New York Giants five hundred dollars in nineteen

907
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: twenty five for the Marra family, yep. The Jets, Woody

908
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: Johnson six hundred and thirty million in the year two thousand,

909
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: the year two thousand from the Hesse family. I believe

910
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: this is a good one too. Jeffrey Lorie nineteen ninety four,

911
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five million to get the equals

912
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: Rooney family twenty five hundred and nineteen thirty three, the Niners,

913
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: Denise de Bardelow and Jed York they own it going

914
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: back for seventeen million in nineteen seventy seven.

915
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: But that's Eddie's dad. Yes, Eddie's dad bought him in

916
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: seventy seven.

917
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: Or that would be my guess. Yeah, we did Eddie have.

918
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: Him in seventy Eddie wouldn't been old enough to have

919
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: him in seventy seven because he.

920
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: Was always in the Bardelow family.

921
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: Sure, but it was probably his dad who bought him

922
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: in seventy seven. Yeah, and it's still in their family now.

923
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Think and think about the value that by

924
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: the in thirteen years nineteen ninety Niners had to be

925
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: a pretty valuable franchise.

926
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: I had to be the second or third most valuable Cowboys,

927
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 2: and I don't.

928
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: Know who else, but yeah, Seahawks in ninety seven, two

929
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars in nineteen ninety seven for the Seahawks,

930
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: Bucks in ninety five, one hundred ninety two to the Glazers,

931
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: the Titans which was the original Oilers twenty five thousand

932
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty n What does she have to be

933
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: so upset about?

934
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

935
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: And then Josh Hare six billion for the Commanders last year. Yeah, wild,

936
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: there you go.

937
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: The next one that could be on the market potentially

938
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: would be Seattle. Just that's the last. You know, Paul

939
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: Allen's family, what are they?

940
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: What are they going to do?

941
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: What they mean?

942
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: They've made quite a pretty They're going to turn two

943
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: hundred million, look lucky.

944
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: And Paul didn't have any other source of resources of income.

945
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: So thank god that it was, Thank goodness, thank goodness

946
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: that it worked for him. Zeke Elliott visiting the Cowboys

947
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: this week fifty Your Options, and we mentioned Jamar Chase.

948
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Michaeh Parsons gets his as well, Amaran Saint Brown pu

949
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: the Pina Soul. Jamar Chase. One's interesting because it was

950
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: that was a big conversation like what do you do there?

951
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: Do you take the guy to protect burrow or the

952
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: guy to throw it to both of them worked to

953
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: be fair, they both worked. Both of those guys were

954
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: absolute dudes on that side of things.

955
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: All right.

956
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Coming up next, ranking the biggest NFL Draft bus for

957
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: every team, We will get into that. We've got a

958
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: little higher or lower coming your way as well. Assistant

959
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: general manager Glenn Cook is going to join the program

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: one bold prediction as well. Listen to Cleveland Rounds Daily

961
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962
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,239
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Speaker 2: This is from Jeff Kerr. That's the NFL the biggest

971
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: NFL Draft bust for every team. Hello, Gibbet, Yeah.

972
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 4: We didn't. We didn't print it because we wanted to

973
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 4: have you guys guess a little.

974
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: Bit, all right, okay, And.

975
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: Of course it didn't come up on my phone, so

976
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 4: now we're bringing it up on my laptop real quick.

977
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: That's fine, all right. I want to say that the

978
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: big thing that that there needs to be discrepancy on

979
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: I view bust at. I think the bus conversation there's

980
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: some nuance to it because there's injuries sometimes there's stuff.

981
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: I guess to me, I feel like injuries are different

982
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: than like issues with stuff off the field in terms

983
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: of that, because that probably would have been in a

984
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: background check in most instances where an injury you can't help.

985
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: So Jeff Kerr says, the worst player drafted for each

986
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: team who set their respective franchise back. Again, you could

987
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 4: have any one of those situations.

988
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: Yes, are you going to give us a team and

989
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: then we're gonna.

990
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 4: Get Yeah, I'm just gonna pick a couple of because

991
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: there are there are some obscure ones. But there were

992
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: some here that we were like, whoah, number thirty two

993
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Any idea who their biggest

994
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: bust was. It's from nineteen eighty six. I'll give you

995
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: that clue.

996
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: So it's got to be a quarterback. It's got to

997
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: be a quarterback in eighty six, is it? Vinny or

998
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: Bo Jackson. There it is so bo Jackson. Hugh culverhost

999
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: owned the Bucks flew to Auburn to convince boj they

1000
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: drafted him number one. They flew to Auburn to get

1001
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: him to play. They said, we checked with everybody. Your

1002
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: eligibility is going to be fine. They flew him to Tampa.

1003
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: He visited Tampa. When he got back to Auburn, he

1004
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: found out he was ineligible, and he said, go blank yourself.

1005
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play for the Royals.

1006
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 4: Yep. Jackson was far from the bust as a player,

1007
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: but the Buccaneers wasted the pick.

1008
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: No, it was, but they didn't know it at the time.

1009
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: That or No.

1010
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: He said, that's right. He said, don't pick me, I

1011
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: will not play for you. And then they picked him anyway.

1012
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 4: Correct. They had another Raiders selected in the following year

1013
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: in the seventh round.

1014
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: Geez, he's a hard one to explain to people, the

1015
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: phenomenon of him, like two three years.

1016
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: Uh, let's see some of the other notables. The Cowboys.

1017
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 4: David Lafleur.

1018
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: I have no point of reference on that.

1019
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: Yep, there's a couple here that I'm like, I have

1020
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: no idea the Texans care to guests, biggest bust, biggest

1021
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 4: two thou.

1022
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be car that doesn't feel fair to him?

1023
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: Will be David Carr.

1024
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: That's not right, that's not fair. Correct.

1025
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: You could he put Joe Montana yep on an expansion franchise.

1026
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna get killed.

1027
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: I don't know about that for sure.

1028
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: Number two sometimes I just like him fat right down

1029
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: the middle, so you can really just drive into him,

1030
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: get the hips around.

1031
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1032
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: Number twenty seven is the Chicago Bears big Oh my god, Curtiss.

1033
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: You could go David Terrell, Kevin White, Curtis Enis, Kate

1034
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: McNown and yet.

1035
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: You haven't even guessed it yet. Give me the year

1036
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen.

1037
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: Fields no No fields is in seventeen seventeen.

1038
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: Oh, Mitch, there you go. That's outrageous.

1039
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: I don't think I agree with it from the standpoint,

1040
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: and I understand that he's a he's a serviceable guy.

1041
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: But in a draft into the playoffs in a draft,

1042
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: but they had a very good defense in a draft.

1043
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Hold on, now in a draft, oh you are well,

1044
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: now in a in a draft where you are drafting

1045
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: a quarterback and you're trading up for all of that

1046
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: that contains Mahomes and Watson, and you end up with

1047
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: that neither.

1048
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: By the way, to be fair, neither of whom went

1049
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: in the top nine.

1050
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: No, but the Mahomes, when I'll get people to pass

1051
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: on because there were no one had really seeing anythingbody

1052
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: like that Watson. People passing on Watson.

1053
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: Was still just saying when you draft receiver in the

1054
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: top six overalls and he finishes his career with four

1055
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: hundred years, Yeah, he's a bigger bust than Mitchell.

1056
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I here's the other thing with you

1057
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: know where that's concerned. Mitch only played one year at

1058
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Yes, so like the track record of guys

1059
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: who played one year. And I remember saying it at

1060
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: the time, like geez, like he was a great player

1061
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: at manor awesome, and he was good the one year

1062
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: at Carolina, but he could not become the starter at

1063
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: Carolina until the previous He couldn't beat him out, So

1064
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: he just played the one year and it was a

1065
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: lot to be enamored with for somebody who didn't have

1066
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: a lot of tape. Meantime, DeShawn was a three year

1067
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: starter at Clemson, was the best player in the national championship.

1068
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: Two straight years in college football.

1069
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could make an argument he was the most

1070
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: important college football player from twenty ten to twenty twenty

1071
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: because he allowed for the Clemson dynasty, the national titles,

1072
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 2: all of it was on his back that that happened.

1073
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't ye.

1074
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 4: All right, that's on. We fast forward up to number

1075
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: twenty three, the Kansas City Chiefs nineteen eighty.

1076
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: Three, Blackledge, you got it, Todd Blacklich.

1077
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: Blacklig Over, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino.

1078
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: So Marino, the thing was that he the Wonder Lick

1079
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: got him, was that his his testing was really poor

1080
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: on the Wonder Lick. And I think that Jim Kelly

1081
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: thing was the threat of the USFL. And he ended

1082
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: up playing for the Houston Gamblers, I think of the USFL.

1083
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: And so that was a real threat.

1084
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: That was a real threat the Kammi's Heath Shuler had

1085
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: the Jags twenty eleven and he guesses.

1086
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: Boy, some of these years start to run quarterback. Was

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00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: it Portles, Blaine Gabbert, Oh Gabbert.

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00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Wow?

1089
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: So they had so they went and he's still playing

1090
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: by them, still in the league. So they went. They

1091
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: drafted Leftwich Garrard, Gambert, Bortles, Lawrence. They've had that many

1092
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: bites at the Apple.

1093
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 4: The first round quarterback, Yeah, first succeed try again? Yeah,

1094
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: number eighteen of the Cleveland Browns.

1095
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: It's Gilbert, is the right answer? Or Johnny Gilbert went eighth.

1096
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 4: And yet Jeff Kurr does him dirty? Tim Couch.

1097
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: That's not that's not right. That's affair, ay right, Kenny.

1098
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: No, that's terrible, Kenny. It's Johnny. He's a quarterback.

1099
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: It's twenty second though, so that or whatever it was

1100
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: like eight they're both a mess. Neither they're both a mess.

1101
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: But like if Gilbert, Johnny couldn't even play in the CFL.

1102
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Well, Gilbert didn't do much either. He's currently playing in

1103
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: Sioux City of a league i've never heard of.

1104
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not sure about the veracity of that.

1105
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: It's on Wikipedia, yeah, entry, Yeah, he was on their website.

1106
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: Cared to guess the forty nine ers biggest bust of all.

1107
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: Time drunk and Miller.

1108
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: Druck and Miller got to be replacing drunken Miller on

1109
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 4: the list.

1110
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: Trey Lance, Yeah, I don't think it's fair on that yet,

1111
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: because you have an injury. They gave up a lot.

1112
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: The look of it's terrible, but at the same time,

1113
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: like he's only twenty three. We haven't even seen him play.

1114
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: It didn't set them back. No, they've been to two

1115
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: Super Bowls.

1116
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: No, I would argue. I mean, it's got to be

1117
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: Pickett for the Steelers not there yet, Yeah, it's got

1118
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: to be them.

1119
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 4: The Vikings wide receiver Troy Williamson. In two thousand and five,

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00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: he was selected to replace Randy Moss.

1121
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me Seattle.

1122
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: The Lions, Andre Ware, what.

1123
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 3: Where Klingler Harrington, Charles Rogers, Joey Harrington is way up there.

1124
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: Charlie Rodgers would be way up there.

1125
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: For the la Rams were Lad Lawrence Phillips.

1126
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: I think anytime murder is how your prospect bends up,

1127
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: that's not great.

1128
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: It's a murderer.

1129
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: By the way, you're listening to eight fifty ESPN Cleveland

1130
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: w k n R A good Karma brand station.

1131
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 4: Big move, Uh, Seahawks number seven. Dan McGuire, gotta be wrong. No,

1132
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 4: he's are they gonna do Bosworth? No?

1133
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: Good?

1134
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: Rick Meyer, Rick, We went through it. Wyer's bigger than

1135
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: than Meyer. But here's the problem. They didn't take Meyer

1136
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: over Bledsoe.

1137
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1138
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: Rick Meyer is a lot like Leif. Yes, the Squealers

1139
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: they took.

1140
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: Mind what do we say, Clinton like, oh yeah, Kelly, No,

1141
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't It was something even even worse than someone I've.

1142
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: Never heard of. Yeah, the Steelers took a linebacker Huey

1143
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: Richardson in ninety one.

1144
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: That's not worse than Pickett.

1145
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: I would agree, uh Vernon Goldston number five to the Jets.

1146
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, three he uh three sacks on on long and

1147
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: that was the reason.

1148
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: That also could have been the linebacker they took in

1149
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: the top five at a wake Forest. Yes, who was really?

1150
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: He was picked ahead laurniis and he always had his

1151
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: name on the thing of like really this dude was

1152
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: drafted ahead of me, and then anytime they played the

1153
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: Seahawks people thought he was going to be He was

1154
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: one of those test guys. It was like a Mike

1155
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: Mamula thing, like he tested out of the Gates.

1156
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: And the Bengals was Achille Smith at number four.

1157
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

1158
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: Number two was JaMarcus. Number one was Leaf.

1159
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: JaMarcus is way bigger than Leif.

1160
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: The number three one was the Saints. They took a

1161
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: punter number eleven overall in nineteen seventy nine.

1162
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 6: Aaron Curry was Curry.

1163
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, yeah, that's the By the way, this is

1164
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: a list done that. I just pulled that out there

1165
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: I found, I said, Seahawks biggest draft busts. They've got

1166
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: Aaron Curry three, Rick Meyer two, Dan McGuire one.

1167
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: By the way, your vitriol for Dan McGuire to continue

1168
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: to put his name out in the public. Who's been

1169
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: forgotten for he was besmirching Mark Mark. He's Mark's brother.

1170
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: Mark probably loves him. And here you are here that's

1171
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: constantly dragging him in the mud.

1172
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: This is the draft bus which casts a long shadow

1173
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: over the Seahawks. Even now, this was only a number

1174
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: sixteen pick. But then Seahawks coach Chuck Knox, one of

1175
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 3: the best NFL coaches to never make the Super Bowl,

1176
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: New football inside and out. He wanted another quarterback and

1177
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't Dan McGuire. Team owner Ken Barring, one of

1178
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: the worst owners in NFL history and a man who

1179
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 3: knew nothing about football, wanted McGuire. As it turns out,

1180
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: McGuire started only five NFL games and played only thirteen

1181
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: before vanishing in a puff of smoke the quarterback that

1182
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Chuck Knox wanted to take it. Sixteen. That's right, Brett farv.

1183
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: Oh, Baby, I wonder if he did. Who knows, but

1184
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: that makes a hell of a story. A number one

1185
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: that seems like that's like, that's kind of like a

1186
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackson story, right, Like, let's revisit the history because

1187
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: there's no way to prove I wasn't saying that.

1188
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: So I get I want to do this before we

1189
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 4: go to break because I found this and then Brett

1190
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: Favre triggered it for me. But involves Aaron Rodgers. This

1191
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 4: is from Ian O'Connor on Twitter. All Right, draft memory

1192
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 4: from my Aaron Rodgers book. The famous two thousand and

1193
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 4: five plunge was put in motion by Tampa Bay after

1194
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 4: Bucks coach John Gruden told Rogers they would take him

1195
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 4: at number five. At midnight the eve of the draft,

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00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: Bucks GM Bruce Allen called Rogers agent Mike Sullivan to

1197
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 4: say we're not taking him. Sullivan's heart sank. He knew

1198
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: the client, once seen as the likely number one overall pick,

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00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: was now going to fall down a staircase. On the

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00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: morning of that draft, at the Javits Center in New

1201
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: York City. Sullivan told Rodgers, this could be rough. I

1202
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 4: don't have an e saying they'll take you if you're there.

1203
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 4: I'm really sorry to tell you that. I don't know

1204
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: where you might go or how far you will fall.

1205
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 4: I apologize. Tampa took running back Cadillac Williams, who played

1206
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 4: seven seasons Aaron Rodgers pick number twenty four, are now

1207
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: preparing for his twentieth season. Rogers rushed for more yards

1208
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 4: and his Catholic limbs. I'm sorry in his first four games,

1209
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: I think that anybody in.

1210
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: NFL history, he was a hell of like. He ran

1211
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: him eighty times a game, Yeah, for two hundred yards

1212
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: a game.

1213
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: And long term Ronnie Brown who was in that backfield

1214
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: with him, and then so Is Hillis, I believe right.

1215
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, those guys were Auburnbert Hillis. Hills was with

1216
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: Felix Jones and McFadden at Arkansas but all of Yeah,

1217
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: Ronnie Brown may have had the better career. I wonder

1218
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: what made Gruden move off of him if they loved him,

1219
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: If you why would why not you a quarterback drafted?

1220
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: But he did that back then?

1221
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: Might not trade absolutely, all right, a little higher lower

1222
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Speaker 2: it give it?

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: How do you so? We're putting together a mock yep,

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00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 4: in real time. Yes, we're doing our own mock top

1235
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 4: ten picks.

1236
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

1237
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: We'll go to top ten. We'll see who gets the most.

1238
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: Right here, Oh, each one of them, we're each doing it.

1239
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: Or do you just want to do one? Let's just

1240
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: do one. Given the time I think we have, let's

1241
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: just do one.

1242
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: This is what we think is going to happen, or

1243
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: what we would.

1244
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 4: Do about that on the air. Oh, you did save

1245
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 4: it for the year. Good job. I'm open to any

1246
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: anything at this point.

1247
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: Let's see what we would do, all right, card, Is

1248
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: it better to let me. We're just gonna look at

1249
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: a mock draft and see what everybody else did. Basically,

1250
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna project, like, let's do what we would do. Okay,

1251
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: we can form a consensus.

1252
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 4: Number one Chicago Bears Caleb Williams.

1253
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams.

1254
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 4: Is it bad that I don't know if he's going

1255
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 4: to be the.

1256
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: Guy because nobody knows if anybody's.

1257
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 4: Going to be the guy.

1258
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if I like any of these, who

1259
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: is the guy you were most sure of at quarterback?

1260
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: In my life?

1261
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: Luck is probably the one. Luck was the one who

1262
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: was like, they can't miss Lawrence and Lawrence Lawrence was

1263
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: probably in that. Yeah, but I mean it's it's short list.

1264
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

1265
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 4: Everyone more than any of the other ones.

1266
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Everyone retroactively. You look back on like Burrow and you

1267
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: say sure, but like he had so many weapons at LSU,

1268
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: and you just don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, all right, So Caleb Williams Number one,

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 4: Number two Washington Commis.

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: I think if I were them, I would go.

1272
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels too, same.

1273
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: New ownership. He's fun to watch, he's got wheels. Got

1274
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback gotta get he got some weapons.

1275
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: Drake May just feels pretty blow to me.

1276
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 4: Is he is Zach Wilson reincarnated?

1277
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean he's he.

1278
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: Replaced Sam Hollett North Carolina, and then he'd be replacing

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01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: him in Washington.

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: So well that takes this to number three and then

1281
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: New England Patriots. This could go a number of different directions.

1282
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 4: I feel like, well, maybe the Patriots make a trade.

1283
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 4: Maybe this is where the trade happens.

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: I think they're staying put when I think they're taking

1285
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. That would be something. Bring Michigan man, all

1286
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: the guy. I mean, I was reading about him. All

1287
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: he does is win. He wins like three state championships

1288
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: at her own high school, comes to Michigan, all he

1289
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: does is win, wins the national championship. He just all

1290
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: he does is win. Feels like they feel like maybe

1291
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 3: they get their next you know, Brady Elliott probably appreciates

1292
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: that cerebral assassin style. So I'm going I'm saying that's

1293
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: what that's that's my vote. It feels like people are

1294
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 3: not that into Drake May.

1295
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I could see why people would fall in

1296
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: love with JJ. He's really impressive to talk to when

1297
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: you hear him. He just wasn't asked to do much.

1298
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: I mean, they beat Penn State. I think he threw

1299
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: it like eight times. They won an Happy Valley. He

1300
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: threw it like eight times.

1301
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like so he was no.

1302
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: He was good in the moments, but he didn't That

1303
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: wasn't how they went about their business. So it's like

1304
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: a if that's the thing. Maybe if I were them,

1305
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: I would trade out. Hearkens back to Tom Braid when

1306
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: he good.

1307
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 4: I think you made a lot of plays.

1308
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: You might be able to get him at eleven. I

1309
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: would trade. I would see if Minnesota would give you

1310
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: eleven twenty three and next year's one to move to three.

1311
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: Because our guy is on mcgown's on that staff. He

1312
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: coached Drake May in high school. I would see if

1313
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: I get Minnesota to come in at three. But I'm

1314
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: fine with JJ.

1315
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a trade. I think at three, four

1316
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: or five.

1317
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: If I were New England, I would want it to

1318
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: be at me. I would want those assets more than

1319
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: I would want any of these quarterbacks because they have

1320
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: a lot of problems.

1321
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: All right, Arizona, I'm not doing anything and I'm Marvin Harrison.

1322
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would do that too, Yeah, jj MC.

1323
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: And then if I'm Marv Marv four, if i'm.

1324
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Them, and if I'm the charters, then I'm not doing

1325
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: anything and I'm taking neighbors me too.

1326
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: There's all I can think.

1327
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: J C.

1328
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: Latham, we need lineman, get the weapons for the kid,

1329
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: get him help.

1330
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 4: If they go drafting offensive lineman tonight at number.

1331
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: Five's a lot of talk that they'll move out of

1332
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: five and then get like Latham later. But I would

1333
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

1334
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Like you said, who's he? Who's Herbert

1335
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 4: throwing to?

1336
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: No?

1337
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean they've lost give him a chance, man, No,

1338
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 2: I would go neighbors there.

1339
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Giant six, I'm gonna take Roma Doonsa.

1340
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 4: You need no way, I think. I think Drake may here.

1341
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: I think the Giants quarterback.

1342
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: I guess, well, you'd probably get a trade up at

1343
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: that point if we hadn't have one like in our world,

1344
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: they are picking JJ. So at that point, I think

1345
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: if you're the Giants, that's probably Minnesota. If somehow they

1346
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: get I think Minnesota would get more antsy than that,

1347
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: and they would take They would trade up either at

1348
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: four or five. But yeah, I think somebody would come

1349
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: up to get him. So that would be Minnesota or Denver, yeah,

1350
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: or Oakland who would come up to get him?

1351
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna say Minnesota moves up.

1352
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: Well you can just say no trades and just say

1353
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: at this point he would still be on.

1354
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's fine. Seven is the Titans.

1355
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: Seems like that's an ALT guy that they like, right,

1356
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: the big number one tackle.

1357
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah for Callahan. Yeah, although I would say I have

1358
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan.

1359
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: I would rather get I'm with you on that, thinking.

1360
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 3: Somebody that is more dynamic.

1361
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 4: Number eight, the Atlanta Fay.

1362
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: That feels to me like if you're the Titans and

1363
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 3: you're wanting to take Alt, that's a spot where somebody

1364
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 3: in my if it went like this, if it went Williams, Daniels, McCarthy,

1365
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: Harrison Neighbors at Doonsday, I think seven Tennessee drops back, Yeah,

1366
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: and then Minnesota or Denver whoever comes up and gets Drake.

1367
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: May All right, jets what about Atlanta. We haven't done Atlanta.

1368
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 4: I haven't done Atlanta at number eight.

1369
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, this is its Falcon has a trade up.

1370
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: Uh, this could be Bowers the Georgia product, but they

1371
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of weapons. They have Pitts play them both.

1372
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: I think Bowers I want Bowers end up with like

1373
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: the Jets. I don't want him in the division.

1374
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah had Dallas Turner the number one defensive player

1375
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 4: off the board.

1376
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: They would love that in Atlanta. Atlanta people be excited

1377
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: about that.

1378
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: Turner and it's a defensive coach. All right, that's fine.

1379
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 3: The Bears.

1380
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: The Bears, Uh, it feels like they would know best.

1381
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Would they go best defensive player people?

1382
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle

1383
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: from Texas.

1384
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: I think you would take best defensive player available if

1385
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: you're them that when you get your franchise quarterback and

1386
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: you get a defensive guy, ye try to do what

1387
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: Houston did.

1388
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 4: Although if like what are the wide outs drops?

1389
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: Like if Adunzie is there at ten although in our

1390
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: mouk he's off, Yeah.

1391
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: May is going to go somewhere in here. We have

1392
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: somebody being picked and then i'd have if I was

1393
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 3: a jetside take Bowers.

1394
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a.

1395
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: Sweet one for them.

1396
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: This first ten is going to be fun. Yeah, the

1397
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: first five or six is going to be fun, Like

1398
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: New England. Our guy Elliott's in a spot there. He

1399
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: could he could net a lot. He could be in

1400
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: the situation that Arizona's in. He's gonna have to you

1401
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: have to roll the dice that ownership would let him

1402
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: kind of hang out at quarterback for a year with

1403
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: Jacobe for a year, or roll the dice that someone

1404
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: would be there at eleven. But if Minnesota was really

1405
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: motivated to come and it is eleven twenty three in

1406
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: a one, I would do.

1407
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: That in a second.

1408
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna be bad anyway, Yes, stop Now you got

1409
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: eleven twenty three, you got their one year one next

1410
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: year of Minnesota's gonna be drafted in a rookie quarterback.

1411
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: That's what got Carolina in trouble. Yeah, did you see

1412
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: that Hall? By the way, if you could get hey,

1413
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: what the Bears? What the Bears ended up? What the

1414
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: Carolina gave up? Oh yeah, it's Caleb Williams starts there,

1415
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams DJ Moore. Like obviously they were allowed to

1416
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: get Keenan Allen because of it, all of these things.

1417
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: And they ended up with Bryce Young rough tough, tough,

1418
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: tough spot, my goodness, terrible.

1419
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can wreck you Well, you get your Griff

1420
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Speaker 2: the Day.

1440
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: Hello Griff, Fact of the Day, Fact of the Day,

1441
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: Fact of the day. It's the griff fact of the day.

1442
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 5: The very first NFL Draft was held on February eighth,

1443
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 5: nineteen thirty six, when representatives of the nine NFL franchises

1444
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 5: assembled in Philadelphia.

1445
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 6: Eighty one players were.

1446
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 5: Picked in that draft over nine rounds, and the first

1447
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 5: ever pick ever taken in an NFL draft, the Eagles

1448
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 5: selected Jay Berwinger from the University of Berwanger Burwanger Yep

1449
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 5: from the University of Chicago. He was the first ever

1450
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 5: player to win the Heisman Trophy. He also did not

1451
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 5: play a down of football because of salary disputes with

1452
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 5: the Eagles. He was traded to the Bears. He had

1453
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 5: salary disputes there and decided to become a salesman instead.

1454
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 5: So the first ever player drafted to the NFL never

1455
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 5: played it down in the NFL.

1456
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: That's why when we talk about like the Bidwells got

1457
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: the Cardinals for eight bucks, Yeah, like, what were you

1458
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: buying that? Basically a foam rubber outfit outbid the Bears

1459
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: and the Eagles.

1460
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 5: He wanted one thousand dollars per game, and George Allis said, now.

1461
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: Well that I could one thousand dollars in nineteen what

1462
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: year is this.

1463
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably there's probably a lot of cash. What is

1464
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 3: one thousand? My guess is nineteen thirty six. I'm gonna

1465
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: say fifty to one hundred thousand.

1466
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, let's calculate it. Twenty three

1467
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a game. That's what he wanted in today's money.

1468
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 3: That's nothing. Yeah, that's it.

1469
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: It's only twenty twenty, two thousand and four, sixteen.

1470
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's right, because Mike, you can

1471
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 3: get your parents always telling me, oh, yeah, I went

1472
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: to the movie for a nickel or a dime, right,

1473
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1474
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm on this inflation calculator, and that's what it says.

1475
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: It says one thousand dollars equals twenty two grand twenty

1476
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: three grand.

1477
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 5: Now picked in the fourth round of this draft. By

1478
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 5: the way, Bear Bryant was an interesting name I saw.

1479
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah, I mean in those days, it

1480
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: was like it was a barnstorming tour. Like so if

1481
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: you had Red Grange or you had Burwanger, like you

1482
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: were selling tickets come see Red Grange play, some come

1483
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: see j Burwanger play. And that's that's kind of the

1484
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: way that that the way that the league was run

1485
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: in those days. So that's why when you were doing

1486
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: the owner evaluations, I'm like, geez, some of these guys,

1487
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: I don't blame them, you know, like, how the hell

1488
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 2: would you? You can't say that they're the geniuses for

1489
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: buying something for eight bucks. He didn't know what it was.

1490
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: You know, they had no idea. They were trying to

1491
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 2: make it work.

1492
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 3: I was this right, he's already he's doing it. Why

1493
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 3: is he flanked by like?

1494
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: Why does he look like he's doing like I'm glad,

1495
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm in. It's like he's.

1496
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not in. Yes, that looks like and he's

1497
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 3: got a team of lawyers behind it. So weird.

1498
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: Why isn't he just like happy? And I wonder if

1499
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna try and sue for like he was damages

1500
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: or something.

1501
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: He was very good, Yes he was, he was quite good.

1502
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: All right, You guys want one bold prediction for tonight?

1503
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 3: Go ahead. This is just Bernie and I think we

1504
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: talked about it a little bit. But would you think

1505
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: about Johnny football t bow? If you think of the

1506
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: four like athletes who missed out on nil, like the

1507
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 3: Mount rushmore of that are Reggie Bush and Liner on

1508
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:16,440
Speaker 3: that list.

1509
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: They're they're the most on the list because they're here.

1510
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: The factors they played their Liner played his senior season

1511
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:24,480
Speaker 2: at USC.

1512
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 3: Coming off of a national championship. Yep.

1513
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: They were the second biggest thing behind Shaq and Kobe

1514
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles full stop. They dated Kardashian and Paris Hiltan.

1515
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 2: Going into their last season at USC, they would have

1516
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: maxed out. They were the Kings of Los Angeles. Those games,

1517
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: those USC games and four oh five. Every celebrity in

1518
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 2: the world Snoop, Will Ferrell. They're all at the games

1519
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: watching sc play. That was this. That was like the

1520
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: U except it was La. Yeah, like which I love Miami,

1521
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: but it's not Los Angeles from a star power standpoint,

1522
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, they are the top of the mountains.

1523
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: What is it? Do you think I have a right?

1524
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: Those two Johnny and Tibo, those.

1525
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: Two Johnny and tebau Bake would have done very well.

1526
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: Vince Young would have done very well at Texas. I

1527
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: think of it from the perspective of not guys who

1528
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 2: would have crushed ended up crushing it in the league anyway,

1529
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: but those who Tyler Hansborough's one at North Carolina who

1530
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: was a four year guy who had a decent NBA career,

1531
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: but was the face of Carolina basketball for four years.

1532
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: Those are the guys I think of Rex if you

1533
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: go way back, screw that bomb, Tyler Hansboro, Yeah, yeah,

1534
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 2: he killed you then.

1535
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1536
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: I think those are the ones that jump out to

1537
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: me that where they.

1538
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: Would they would have had it.

1539
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: Braxton Miller at Ohio State, he was a two time

1540
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: Big Ten Player of the Year before he got hurt

1541
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: his senior year. He would have crushed it, absolutely crushed it.

1542
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: Maurice Clarett had he played more than one season. A

1543
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: lot of Ohio State guys would have crushed it. I mean, God,

1544
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: they were paying c. J. Stroud nearly three million bucks

1545
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: last year or two years.

1546
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 3: So Nana has done some now has done some research

1547
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 3: on the inflation. She thinks she's using the college that

1548
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: she went to as the benchmark versus the inflation. Said.

1549
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: I went there and my tuition was one thousand and

1550
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight, and today it is fifty three thousand.

1551
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: I think the inflation calculators. I agree with her that

1552
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: twenty two seems low, but I don't know that we

1553
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 2: can use college as the best example.

1554
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: Agreed, So I'll do it again just to check, all right,

1555
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: So find a different site.

1556
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: I was on inflation calculator, money inflation calculator, calculate inflation.

1557
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 2: That's way too cumbersome. I just need to be able

1558
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: to plug something in here, guys. Come on, Yeah, twenty

1559
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: four to seven eighty eight. Oh, that's eighteen hundred, nineteen

1560
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: thirty six, one thousand dollars twenty two thousand and four

1561
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: to sixty nine.

1562
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what. There you go.

1563
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.

1564
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: It feels like they really shouldn't.

1565
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 2: Have been I would say that probably Nana's evidence is

1566
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: probably a bigger example of the cost of college and

1567
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 2: how that is out of hand and has been for

1568
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 2: a very long time, juxtaposed to the value presented versus

1569
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: the dollar, that the college inflation is actually outpaced actual inflation.

1570
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm about to check, my folks. Here, cost of a

1571
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: movie ticket nineteen fifty to go to a movie. You

1572
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 3: could purchase a ticket for forty six cents on average.

1573
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what is it now, like ten bucks

1574
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: like that? I have no idea, So I guess it

1575
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: depends on when you go and sure all that I need.

1576
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 2: The last time I went to the twenty.

1577
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: Something times those let's call it thirteen bucks, yeah, six times.

1578
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's about where you were at with the

1579
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: with the thousand bucks on that one. Bold prediction for tonight?

1580
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 4: Have one?

1581
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 3: I think I made it earlier. Third quarterback taken.

1582
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: I'm going to go bold prediction. Patriots trade at three,

1583
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: they trade out of three.

1584
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: That's what I'm going with.

1585
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: I like it, Gibe got one?

1586
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: Do you have a.

1587
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 5: I'll say that a cornerback is the first defensive player drafted,

1588
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 5: not a defensive end.

1589
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: All right? What about what is what's Griff haff Who's he?

1590
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: What's his bold prediction? That's what he gave you? Is

1591
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: this when we reached the point where you are his

1592
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 2: talk at yours mouthpiece because you do Griff back to

1593
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 2: the day.

1594
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,799
Speaker 6: Well he doesn't have a mic over there anymore.

1595
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 3: Well that's that mic is pretty mobile though.

1596
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so that's his Do you have one?

1597
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 3: Gibe?

1598
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 4: Harrison is not going to be the first wide receiver

1599
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 4: taken tonight?

1600
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: I like it.

1601
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, we'll see how it goes.

1602
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 2: A guy who will have a great deal to say

1603
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 2: about our draft which will begin in earnest tomorrow in

1604
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: the second and third rounds is Glenn Cook. He will

1605
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: join us coming up next. You listen to Cleveland brown

1606
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: Zailely on eight fifty YESPN.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome a get to Cleveland Browns Dailey brought

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Speaker 2: Browns now Live in Ohio, joined in studio by Assistant

1612
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 2: general manager.

1613
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: Glenn Cook joining us in studio.

1614
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 2: So what is this like for you?

1615
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: Not having one?

1616
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: You're used to it now a couple of years in

1617
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: a row. But how do you view tonight? How will

1618
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: you view tonight? What is your afternoon?

1619
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 4: Like?

1620
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 7: I mean, there's still works to be done, but we

1621
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 7: are a little bit more spectators and fans and so

1622
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 7: our group will come in a little bit later, and

1623
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 7: what kind of assess probably like two thirds into the

1624
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 7: first round, kind of assess how it's going and get

1625
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 7: a sense of, you know, what our strategy may be

1626
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 7: going into the draft tomorrow. But it's like you said,

1627
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 7: we're kind of used to it. You don't want to

1628
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 7: get used to not having a first round pick. But

1629
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 7: I think we've been good about having a strategy that

1630
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 7: still allows us to get pretty good players for our team, So.

1631
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 3: They certainly have done that. Does it allow you to

1632
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: maybe disarm other people? Right, because hey, what do you

1633
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 3: think of this? What do you think that you're not

1634
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 3: picking tonight? It's kind of like you are. You're just

1635
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 3: the friend who's like, yeah, I know a little bit

1636
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: about what we're talking about here, but I'm not getting involved.

1637
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 3: Don't worry about me over here? Is are you able

1638
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 3: to maybe have conversations that had you had a first

1639
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: round pick, that you might not be able to have?

1640
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 7: I think yeah a little bit, right, Like I think

1641
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 7: you get if you look for me selfishly, you can

1642
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 7: get insight into how other people think through their their

1643
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 7: decisions in the first round. And those are premium picks,

1644
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 7: so you know, in the future, hopefully we have enough

1645
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 7: of them to be in the same situation. So it

1646
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 7: is good to kind of learn a few things here

1647
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 7: and there. But for the most part, where again we're directors, like,

1648
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 7: people still won't talk. They're still not gonna tell you much.

1649
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: When you know, somebody like Quacy and a lot of

1650
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: people seem to think the draft is gonna hinge maybe

1651
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: on what they do. Like, is that fun for you

1652
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 3: to maybe think about what he's thinking. You can see

1653
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: whatever ultimately does happen, it is.

1654
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 7: I shot him a texta this morning, you know, just

1655
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 7: like shooting one of the quotes him and I share together,

1656
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 7: and it'll be fun to watch. It'll be fun to watch.

1657
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 7: He did not share. I don't know what he's doing,

1658
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 7: not sure what he's thinking. But yeah, in those moments

1659
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 7: you can be supportive but also kind of like I

1660
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 7: was talking earlier to someone about he called him why

1661
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 7: he's on the clock, and jabbing a little bit about hey,

1662
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 7: don't don't mess it up, get all right, but now

1663
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 7: excited to see what he does, excited to see what

1664
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 7: happens at the time.

1665
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 3: Plus whatever happens that's going in the NFC, that's always

1666
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: it's always better.

1667
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a you know, one thing that I think

1668
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: all of us do. Everybody loves the draft. Do you

1669
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: do you find yourself as well? You watch tonight right away?

1670
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: Will you watch it? Have you always been a fan

1671
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: of the draft, Did you grow up watching the draft.

1672
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 7: I mean since I was what nine, ten years old,

1673
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 7: you know, you kind of I some people say they

1674
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 7: were building their draft boards. I didn't necessarily do that,

1675
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 7: but I always had a few players that, for whatever reason,

1676
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 7: I got attached to as a kid. So it's the same,

1677
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 7: you know, pet cats. I'm almost a forty years old,

1678
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 7: forty year old kid now, and I still I still

1679
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 7: will sit through every pick and kind of thing through. Ah, man,

1680
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,759
Speaker 7: I might have taken this guy, or I love that pick,

1681
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 7: or you know, just just working through the strategy of like, well,

1682
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 7: who's gonna go here? Why would this happen this way?

1683
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 7: Oh it's a trade up, you know, trade down? So yeah,

1684
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 7: I'm at heart. It's it's a strong, obviously passion and

1685
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 7: it's great to be a fan now in some sorts.

1686
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be different. When we talked about

1687
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 3: not having a first round pick, and this is potentially

1688
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: the first year in the last three we might actually

1689
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 3: pick a player in the second round as well, so

1690
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: we've kind of gone without that. So when you talk

1691
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: about guys that you fall in love with, it's easy

1692
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: to fall in love with the guys you have it

1693
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: all right, But the people that we would be drafting

1694
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 3: or that you need to fall in love with the draft.

1695
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 3: And you've done a great job finding guys like mj

1696
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 3: em Orson and Dwan Jones and Alex Ryan and Kim

1697
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: Mitchell in later rounds. But when you know that you

1698
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 3: have to be looking at a piece of clay that

1699
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 3: has to be missing something otherwise they wouldn't be available

1700
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 3: when you want to pick them, how does that kind

1701
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: of shape your evaluation process?

1702
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 7: Well, so I think one sometimes it is you know,

1703
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 7: potentially a missing piece, or maybe they just don't have

1704
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 7: this particular quality that makes them well around it. Sometimes

1705
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 7: it's just us as evaluators and decision makers who just

1706
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 7: don't see it right. So I think that's what makes

1707
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 7: it fun unique, and you can create a competitive advantage

1708
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 7: by just being a little bit more consistent and seeing

1709
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 7: those things that others don't see. Uh So I don't

1710
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 7: always like to attribute it to like, oh, well, these

1711
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 7: players that you know, they just lack something. Sometimes you

1712
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 7: just miss you know, like sure, we just don't identify

1713
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 7: it soon enough. So that is, you know, hopefully where

1714
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 7: we will continue to push ourselves to be pretty good

1715
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 7: at because you you can you can get the you know,

1716
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 7: MJ's of the world who's just really good football player.

1717
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 7: Maybe we just didn't identify even us you know, we

1718
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 7: took him in you know, sixty eight. Maybe we just

1719
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 7: didn't identify something that said he was much better than

1720
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 7: what we thought. But that's that's part of the gig.

1721
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 7: And then yeah, it's just this thing is is not

1722
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 7: a crapshoot per se all the time, but it's hard.

1723
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: It's really hard.

1724
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: It's really hard to figure out.

1725
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 7: So that's why we're always challenging ourselves, studying the game,

1726
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 7: seeing where we can get better, and trying to make

1727
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 7: as best decision as we can.

1728
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: How do you think about kind of along those lines.

1729
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 3: So let's say prospect A is a tenant one thing

1730
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 3: and like six is at some other things, whereas or

1731
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 3: you get somebody who's like just eight's across the board.

1732
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: When you're early, I'm sure you want somebody who's more

1733
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 3: world around and you want those all be like nine

1734
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: and ten whatever it is. But when you get into

1735
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 3: a draft, how much do you weigh I want somebody

1736
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 3: who has one unreal trait versus somebody that is maybe

1737
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 3: a better overall football player, but it is not necessarily

1738
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: exceptional in anything that's high ceiling, low floor one, right,

1739
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 3: but just kind of like, yeah, because I'm sure you

1740
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 3: have to do some tie breakers. So this guy's gonna

1741
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: be a really good football player, but this guy has

1742
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: at least a chance to be more special.

1743
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1744
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just I think we do a really good

1745
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 7: job of just managing the risks that's surrounding all of it. Right,

1746
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 7: So just depending on the position, depending on where you're

1747
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 7: picking in the draft, like those those different profiles are

1748
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 7: either more interesting or less interesting, right, And so I

1749
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 7: think ultimately you just have to manage that risk. Like

1750
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 7: it's all, it's all a part of the equation of Hey,

1751
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 7: in this situation, given this player's profile, given the position

1752
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 7: that he plays, we're a little bit more comfortable with, Hey,

1753
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 7: you know, he could end up being really really good,

1754
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 7: or we may just you know, strike out on this one,

1755
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 7: or hey, we feel pretty certain that we're getting a

1756
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 7: pretty solid NFL player who maybe he's not all rolled,

1757
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 7: but he's going to play for a long time. So

1758
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 7: it's you know, I can't give you an exact like

1759
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 7: this is what you do in every situation, but yeah,

1760
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 7: I would say that's a little bit of how we

1761
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 7: think about it.

1762
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: Assistant general manager Jim Clik Glenn Cook in studio with us.

1763
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 2: Just take the fans through the timeline of the last

1764
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, all right, this is this is the haze

1765
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: in the barn at this point, like the work's been done.

1766
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: But what is kind of the time frame of a

1767
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: pit gathering, scouts getting a consensus, here's a board, simulations,

1768
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: all of that. How does what is kind of the

1769
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: timeline on how that works the way you guys do

1770
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 2: it leading into a draft.

1771
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 7: I say it starts in a week, you know. And

1772
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 7: kudos to our scouts, you know, we say it every year.

1773
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 7: We thank them. We try to express gratitude and appreciation.

1774
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 7: But I don't know that we can do it enough

1775
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 7: with as much time as they put into their jobs

1776
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 7: and really building the foundation for what we ultimately end

1777
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 7: up doing. And so that starts in May. They're already

1778
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 7: getting background on the next group of guys who are

1779
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 7: coming up it could be potential potential NFL players. They're

1780
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 7: working through evaluations, you know, from January to August, just

1781
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 7: to kind of set the initial foundation of how we

1782
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 7: we may want to canvas the landscape of the college

1783
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 7: football world the next season and then throughout the fall,

1784
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 7: it's just kind of continue iteration, you know, continue iteration.

1785
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 7: And we do it that way because one, it's systematic,

1786
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 7: it's discipline, and we feel like it's a good process.

1787
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 7: But also too, it helps inform a few of the

1788
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 7: decisions we make sometimes during the season. So if you

1789
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 7: have a fair understanding of what the college market could

1790
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 7: look like come this time right now, in you know, November,

1791
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 7: when you're talking about trades or potentially talking about extensions,

1792
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 7: all those things are helpful. And then so now you

1793
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 7: fast forward, you get to the end of the season,

1794
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 7: it's over, you evaluated your team, you kind of have

1795
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 7: a sense of where you are maybe where you need

1796
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 7: to make a few improvements, and it's just a weekly

1797
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 7: you know, dump of additional information. Right so now you're

1798
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 7: getting to touch the players more intimately, sit down, have conversations,

1799
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 7: meet them at all Star games, actually get to see

1800
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 7: them in person. Sometimes for Andrew for the first time

1801
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 7: at the combine, right if he hasn't been able to

1802
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 7: make a game first time. Our coaches can get get

1803
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 7: their hands on them and really take them through their

1804
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 7: learning process, you know, in February, and then really the

1805
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 7: last two months has been US as an organization from

1806
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 7: top to bottom, just working through strategically, all right, what

1807
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 7: is the best decision for us?

1808
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 3: Right?

1809
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 7: So you know, some of that is just working in

1810
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 7: a siloed fashion within the position group of just okay,

1811
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 7: how do we just order the quality of players? And

1812
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 7: now it's we've kind of you know, span it across

1813
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 7: all positions. Okay, what will be the best group combination

1814
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 7: set of individuals regardless of position to bring into our team?

1815
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 3: And then how do we do that?

1816
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: You know?

1817
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 7: So I'd say the last two or three weeks has

1818
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 7: been probably the refining of the how, you know, how

1819
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 7: do we acquire players at fifty four, eighty five and

1820
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 7: so forth and so on? Does that require trade up?

1821
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 4: Trade down?

1822
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 7: You know, staying put? And you know, hopefully tomorrow because

1823
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 7: not today we get to x acute on on all

1824
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 7: that work. So that's that's it, Like I said, it's

1825
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 7: it's it's honestly, oftentimes twelve to thirteen months of a

1826
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 7: lot of work from a lot of people, uh, college scouts,

1827
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 7: the coaches, you know, I think about like you know,

1828
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 7: Andy and and right out you know, they get onboarded,

1829
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 7: they get brought into you know, the fold two months

1830
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 7: in and it's like they hit the ground run and

1831
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 7: they've been really helpful just given us input. You know,

1832
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 7: can just entire staff. So it's it's the coaches and

1833
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 7: now it's you know, looping in. You know, John Frayne

1834
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 7: had a security helping us, you know, just do additional diligence.

1835
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 7: I mean it's a full hands, you know, all hands

1836
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 7: on deck, full process, three sixty view of who we're

1837
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 7: trying to add to the team. Hopefully they help us

1838
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:42,879
Speaker 7: win win football games.

1839
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 3: It's wild that it is so comprehensive and it is

1840
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: still so difficult because there are still so many factors

1841
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 3: that go into the ultimate success of these things down

1842
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 3: the road with all of that work that goes into it.

1843
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: And then you get into meetings and I've heard this

1844
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 3: said once that you know, the only person in the

1845
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 3: room that is gonna have pick every player they're gonna

1846
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 3: like every player that gets picked is one is Andrew Berry, right,

1847
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: And he's the only one that's gonna have somebody he

1848
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 3: doesn't like, they're not gonna get picked. He doesn't have

1849
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 3: to worry about that, right, which is a.

1850
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 7: Cr I hope he does like him.

1851
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 3: You know he likes everybody. He's the only one, Like,

1852
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: if you're going to pound your the table for any like,

1853
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 3: everybody we draft he likes for sure, and if he

1854
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: doesn't like him, we're probably not gonna get it, right Like,

1855
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 3: but other people in the room have put him a

1856
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: lot of time in and so you have to find

1857
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 3: that consensus ultimately, and then.

1858
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he does a really good job of

1859
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 7: taking in all those inputs. And you know it's not

1860
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 7: always like, hey, he's in love with he's the only

1861
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 7: one in love with every single player. You know, he's

1862
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 7: allowed us to push him and challenge him in some situations,

1863
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 7: and honestly, sometimes you know, tweak or change his thoughts

1864
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 7: on a particular player because of how strong we you know,

1865
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 7: we came in terms of our our kind of arguments

1866
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 7: or our pushback. So that's the beauty of it, right, Like,

1867
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 7: because you know, it's not a dictatorship. That's not what

1868
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 7: I mean. I know that's not what you're saying, but

1869
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 7: I think, you know, like saying, like.

1870
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 3: Her, every scout who does all of this work thing,

1871
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: you all have the guys that are like this is

1872
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 3: my pet, Yeah I love this guy, But that doesn't

1873
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 3: necessarily mean that guy is gonna be a Cleveland Brown,

1874
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 3: a variety like.

1875
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 7: One hundred and fifty players.

1876
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 3: Of course, you love it, but never.

1877
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 7: You know, never you know whether it's like you won't

1878
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 7: be in tracking distance to pick them, or it's just

1879
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 7: not you know, like you can only have so many

1880
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 7: guys at one position.

1881
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 3: So, so Andrew shared with me an interview we did

1882
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 3: for the Monday draft preview show that you guys went

1883
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 3: to the combine and really didn't think that Jerry Judy

1884
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 3: thing was like in play anymore, and then all of

1885
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 3: sudden you go to the combine, it is in play,

1886
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, now Jerry Judy's a Brown

1887
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: and he signed an extension. How does talk about the

1888
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: fun of how that all comes together? And then how

1889
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 3: does that impact because you're probably going to the combine

1890
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 3: thinking one thing, and all of a sudden, well, we

1891
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 3: also have Jerry Judy on our football team. How does

1892
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 3: that change coming out of that?

1893
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 7: Going yeah, I mean that's why you know, you make

1894
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 7: sure your process is tight, right, because ultimately you never

1895
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 7: know what opportunity to show up, what opportunities are available,

1896
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 7: and so regardless of the position you know, there were

1897
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 7: receivers that we wanted to you know, have touch points with,

1898
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 7: communicate with, uh, you know, get to know a little

1899
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 7: bit more and you know, then the trade comes up, right,

1900
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 7: And that was a little bit of it. I don't

1901
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 7: know how much you share, but it's an amalgamation.

1902
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: Of a lot of work a few years.

1903
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's it's it's spanned some time. And

1904
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 7: so again that's that's our job, right, like to always

1905
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 7: be in search of, you know, what opportunities, what players

1906
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 7: will help us win football games and fit best our

1907
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 7: culture and and you know the resources match, like the

1908
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 7: investment and whatnot. So like I said that one, I

1909
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 7: kind of play on playing out of my head because

1910
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 7: it was you know, it was it spanned some time

1911
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 7: and that that took some work to get it done.

1912
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 7: So it is fun to see a play out where

1913
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 7: you complete a transaction like that that you didn't necessarily

1914
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 7: think you would.

1915
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting. We talked to you at the combine

1916
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 2: as well. But like, and I hope our audience when

1917
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: they when you get a chance to talk to somebody

1918
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 2: like you and some of the smart people in an organization,

1919
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: we get a lot of them how comprehensive putting together

1920
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: a football team is in the amount of process. Yeah,

1921
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: all the p's. I mean, you have to have all

1922
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: of those things. And because of all of the things,

1923
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: you guys do, you have a team. When we had

1924
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 2: JW in here last week where the Draft is no

1925
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 2: longer the super Bowl, the super Bowl is the super

1926
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Bowl and that's when it changes. Great to have you

1927
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 2: on my friend.

1928
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 3: Always.

1929
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Great to see assistant general manager Glenn Cook. Maybe binge

1930
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: some shows tonight. Sit there, Ax, we'll see av said

1931
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: he's doing Showguns, so it's going to go and then

1932
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: we got a lot of work to do tomorrow. So

1933
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 2: it is great seeing you folks out there enjoy your draft.

1934
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 2: Will have coverage throughout the night on the Cleveland Browns

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