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Speaker 1: about you, I've done pilots that I still haven't seen, right, right,

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00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean I've done shows that I've never seen, but

426
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: that's a different issue. That is a different issue, I

427
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: would say. But anyway, it was so special and I

428
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: remember watching this thing that they put together and they

429
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: had the come sale away song, you know, like Crescendo, Ng,

430
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: and I got full chills and I was like this

431
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: is what we've been doing. Oh my God, this is real.

432
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Like my mind, I'M gonna start crying, but like my

433
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: little brain was blown like this is what I've wanted

434
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: to do since I was a baby, and there I

435
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: am and I don't even look like me and I

436
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: don't sound like me and it's real. Yeah, that was

437
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: that wow. Were you away are at that moment that

438
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: the show was special or doing something new, or did

439
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: your little brain not comprehend that at the at the time?

440
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean that whole experience is so has had so

441
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: many different incarnations of what it was and what it

442
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: is and what it continues to be. So it's funny,

443
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, like we had such an amazing time while

444
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: we were doing it and the freedom that Judd and

445
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Paul and Leslie Gladder, like all of our directors, they

446
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: gave us such a gift that we were all way

447
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: too inexperienced and young to understand at the in the moment,

448
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I think. But we all enjoyed it very much. I

449
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: mean I don't remember, aside from like my personality conflict

450
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: with Franco, like I don't remember ever having like a

451
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: complaint about anything having to do with it. Late nights

452
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: were Super Fun. Early Mornings were Super Fun. We would

453
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: hang out, we would go to swingers and get food

454
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: at midnight. After we wrapped like together, we would go

455
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: to birds on Franklin where segull convinced me that the

456
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: scientology building had a tower of terror ride inside of it,

457
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: and I believed him for like ten minutes. I really

458
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: thought it was true, and south was like come on,

459
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: it's not true and I was like, I don't know,

460
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: it looks like it has one of those rides in it,

461
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, like a drum. I was like what, we

462
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. Um, so it's really fun, you know.

463
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: And I think and when the show was over and

464
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: it became clear like that it was going to be over, over,

465
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for it to be and I wanted

466
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: it to continue. I was really, really sad and really

467
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: disheartened and and and I did feel in a moment

468
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: already like, but we made something so good. Why is

469
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: this hat why is this fair? I mean, and again

470
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: that's the best lesson you can learn as an actor.

471
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: It's like, actually doesn't matter, Babe. Right, Paul said it

472
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: was ahead of its time a little bit. I mean

473
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: in terms of the cringe comedy. I mean, you know,

474
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: Judd's now made a career out of very similar toned things.

475
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: It launched so many careers and and really pioneered a

476
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: new way of doing television. That is uh, you know,

477
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of shows, including the office. Oh,

478
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: a great debt of gratitude too. Um. Yeah, I remember

479
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: feeling that it was ahead of its time, like I said,

480
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: like I read it and didn't understand it. You know,

481
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: I didn't understand tonally what it was supposed to be.

482
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I actually saw it that I was like,

483
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh shit, this is awesome and I think it's really

484
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: a testament to how the people in charge treated us

485
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: with so much respect. And we were kids and maybe

486
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: at moments didn't deserve it, but they really treated us

487
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: like experts in our field and real collaborators in making

488
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: this thing, and it changes everything when you get to

489
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: work with people who respect you. Yeah, I've been on

490
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: both sides of that like line, where I've worked for

491
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: people who just definitely don't respect me and I'm there

492
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: to like service what they want to be done or

493
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: how they want it said. And I have no joke

494
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: heard actors like that I was working with being referenced

495
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: as talking props. Yeah, that's a Bummer, you know, that

496
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: really takes the fun out of it. But like for

497
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: me to go from doing really fun creative theater programs

498
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: and then getting to be a part of a show,

499
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: a network television show, were these adults in charge. And,

500
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: by the way, that is the funniest thing to me,

501
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: which is that I thought that Judd and Leslie were

502
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: literally fifty years old. Leslie is like three years older

503
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: than me. Were like essentially the same age, but she

504
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: was like they were like married, they had a baby,

505
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: they were like old people and and then like cut

506
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: to five years later, we're like hanging out with each

507
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: other in Hawaii and I'm like wait, what's happening? We're

508
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: they say, Oh my God, you were like my dad

509
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: and mom and no, but isn't that so weird? Like

510
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: when you're a kid, when you're a teenager, people who

511
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: are twenty five seem like grown up, and then when

512
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: you were eight you're like hanging out with fifty year

513
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: olds and you're like, we're all the same age, just fine, anyway.

514
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I just it was just but the fact that they

515
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: trusted us and took us seriously and took our ideas

516
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: seriously and never made us feel less than for being

517
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: actors or teenagers an incredible gift and a thing that

518
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: honestly shaped the way that we all have turned out. Like,

519
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: I think for most of us that was our first

520
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: experience professionally, like even in the case of like Linda

521
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Jason and Franco, who had worked a little bit before that,

522
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: this was like their biggest thing that they had done,

523
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think just having

524
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: that environment really shifted the way that we approached the

525
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: rest of our careers and what we wanted for ourselves

526
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: and like what we were how we were going to

527
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: do it. That's awesome. That's so great to hear and

528
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: makes so much sense that having that nurturing and creative

529
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: environment early on doesn't make you in a way Um

530
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, I mean, well, I think I look,

531
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: like I said, that year was where were you were?

532
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: You already in L A in shortly after. I did

533
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: theater for a long time, so I was I didn't

534
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: get here until two thous so, like there were a

535
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of people my age that we all started out

536
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: at the same time, and I do think that what

537
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: happens after, you know, is a reflection of how you

538
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: were treated when you first enter this business. It's hard

539
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: for me when especially young actors deserves so much better

540
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: than the treatment that they receive. Even if you don't

541
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: end up, like pursuing for the rest of your life

542
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: this thing, I think it really shapes you fundamentally and

543
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: I think there's just been, there just has been so

544
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: much mistreatment of kids and teen and young adult performers,

545
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, but I got lucky, boy, did I get lucky.

546
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: You did and you know, we got to talk about

547
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: immediately transitioning off of this show. You have a great

548
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: experience and and very shortly you get on like the

549
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: biggest show of all time for kids, Dawson's Creek. How

550
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: was that experience? It was different. It's different. It was

551
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: different and I you know, like again directly after freaks

552
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: and GEEKS was tough. I didn't work a ton and

553
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I was out there like puffing it, you know, and

554
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: that pilot sea, the next pilot season, was one of

555
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: those years. I tested and didn't get, I think, like

556
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: Nine Network TV shows and I was like, well, I

557
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: guess this ship is over, like and then, and you know,

558
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: and then you're looking. I'm looking at my friends from

559
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: freaks and GEEKS and it's like Franco is, James Dean, seagulls,

560
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: like the lead of some fucking thing. Linda's Da Da,

561
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: Dada Da, like it just was like I felt like

562
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: a failure. I felt like such a failure. And John Kasten,

563
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: Jake Kasden's younger brother, who was a writer on freaks

564
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: and Geeks, he went to Dawson's creek and it was

565
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: that transitional time for a teen show where they're going

566
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: to college, and so he was like I have the

567
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: best idea. I think you need to be on Dawson's Creek,

568
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: and I was like that's a little bit like when

569
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: your mom calls you and tells you like I think

570
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: you should be on seven rents, and I'm like, Oh,

571
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, that's a great idea, mom. Maybe I

572
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: should be on severance. Okay, you know what I mean.

573
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: Like it's like your parents like, or like your friends

574
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: from back home like pick like the biggest show ever

575
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and they're like it's so, why aren't you on hacks?

576
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I actually don't know. I don't

577
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: know why I'm not on hacks. I'm sorry to tell you,

578
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: just not not on hacks. Um. So I was like okay,

579
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: John Whatever. And sure enough, like a month later or something,

580
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: I got a call and they're like they want you

581
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: to be Katie Holmes, whom May I was like, Kasden,

582
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: you've really fucking done it, and I went and I

583
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: went to the WB, the former W B, and I

584
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: tested for it and then I went to Wilmington's, North Carolina.

585
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: I Love Wilmington's, by the way, I shot something there.

586
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Did like it? No, but but I was at a

587
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: different point. I it now, I would probably love it.

588
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It was at a different point in

589
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: my life. I just started dating this guy that I

590
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: was like really into in L A. I was twenty one.

591
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave. No, I wanted to be

592
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: with my friends. I was like this sucks, like I

593
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone in Wilmington's the cast. Like I got

594
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: to the show and like they all seemed so over it.

595
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Oh did they? Yeah, I was gonna ask. Did you

596
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: watch the show? No, that's the other thing. I had

597
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: never seen it and it probably was difficult to stream

598
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: it at that point in time. You know it was.

599
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: You couldn't. I think somebody sent me literal VHS tapes

600
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: to watch. Did you watch them or no, I didn't.

601
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. And you know what is crazy, Brian, I

602
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: haven't even watched the ones I'm in. I didn't watch

603
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: any of it. Really. Here's the thing. Michelle and I

604
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: became very, very good friends on that show. That's where

605
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: we fell in love with each other. But the cast

606
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: was like on that show they were definitely they had

607
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: been through the whole roller coaster ride. Of being on

608
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: the cover of rolling stone and, you know, getting huge, paid,

609
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: paid days for giant movies and then coming back to

610
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: their twenty three episode seasons and being like exhausted. They

611
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: were exhausted, I think, and I come in like all

612
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: full of like so fucking happy a bit here let

613
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, all right, we're gonna need you

614
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: to slow it down, a little bit, you know, and

615
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: then I was like these guys suck, but they didn't.

616
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: They were just I get it now, you know, I

617
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I have that thing like I wish I

618
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: had spent less time, sad I wasn't with my boyfriend,

619
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I wish I had enjoyed the experience

620
00:38:49,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: more a little bit. But whatever. stylistically, do you consider

621
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: yourself a comedian? Um, I don't know, I don't I

622
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if I consider myself anything

623
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: at this point. Brand okay, all right, I feel like

624
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: I get the reason I asked is I feel like

625
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: I get people refer to me as that sometimes. I

626
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: don't know. You're a man. Is that right at least? So, yeah,

627
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't know. I think there is

628
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: something about that that men get referred funny men. I

629
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: mean with all humility. I say funny men, get referred

630
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: to as a comedian. Is that a compliment? I think so,

631
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: is it? It makes it like a job, like it's

632
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: like you're like, you're good, you know, it's like your profession.

633
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: You're good at it, your comedian interest thing. Okay, all right,

634
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: you just taught me something. I don't know. Kind of

635
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: take offense really well, like I'm like, well, but I'm

636
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: an actor and I can be funny, but I can

637
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: also be not. So you're going to win an Oscar. Remember?

638
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: We told you that? No, I know, I'm waiting. I'm

639
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: waiting for the call. Listen, we're gonna do it's I'M

640
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna slow burn you. I think we go. I think

641
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: how it happens is it's an independent spirit award into

642
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: an Oscar nom I like it. I'M NOT gonna I'm

643
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: not gonna argue. It's you. It's your trajectory Um. After

644
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek, you do a bunch of movies, mostly comedies,

645
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: which was where that beautiful transition that went nowhere. White chicks. Yeah,

646
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: very funny, maid of honor. He's just not that into

647
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: you and many many more, uh, film versus television. I

648
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: FOR FOR TV. Yeah, me too. Actually. Yeah, I prefer

649
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: TV because I mean from a from an acting standpoint,

650
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: in character development, like the payoffs are better and you're

651
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: able to have bigger ARCS. I mean your chilly moment

652
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: doesn't land in the movie version. You know, like if

653
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: you're living with characters for an extended period of time,

654
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean hours and hour. Even if a show is

655
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: only one season, it's still hours and hours and hours

656
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: that you're spending with these people, you're able to just

657
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: pull out different sides of the humanity and so I

658
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: find I don't feel stuck playing types because I really

659
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: feel like I get to dig into the people. And

660
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: then in films you are sort of relegated to like

661
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: what it is, you know. Yeah, you're like the funny

662
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: best friend who like says three funny things in every

663
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: scene and it's like then gives her the idea to

664
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: do the thing and that's it. You know, like it's

665
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: just it's not, as an actor, for me, not as fulfilling.

666
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: I do love TV. Yeah, it's interesting and I got

667
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of like bombed when the movie stars realized that

668
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: TV was where I was at I got a little

669
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: bit like it was about the same time when I

670
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: was when I decided and like publicly declared that I

671
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: quit acting, which was, of course, bullshit, but I just

672
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I can't fucking I'm now I'm

673
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: up against reese witherspoon, ate Hudson. It was like, honestly,

674
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: it was like there were a couple shows in like pilots,

675
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: where I was like super interested in the pilot. This

676
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: was right around when Cougar town was ending, and they're like, well,

677
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: they're going to offer it to Kate Hudson and and

678
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, that's now we're out. I'm

679
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: sucking out. I can't do this game because I you know,

680
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I can't compete on that level. Yeah, but listen, good

681
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: news is there's lots of TV to go around. There's

682
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: a lot of TV to go around. Uh, Cougar town

683
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: critics choice television award winner. I won an award. I

684
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: know you did. I'm just I know, but I'm still

685
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: shocked by it. How was your experience on Cougar town?

686
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Do you have a good time? You loved it. I

687
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it. I loved it. It was

688
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: the perfect job at the perfect moment in my life.

689
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: I had had my first kid. I really wanted to

690
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: do something where I was going to be funny but

691
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: where I wasn't carrying anything, because I had an infant

692
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: right and I was a new mom and like twenty

693
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: nine and felt literally insane. But I needed money and

694
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to work, and that was the thing too.

695
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: Like I think there was a part of me that

696
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: fought into that weird narrative that I think people have

697
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of stopped with, which was, like I had heard

698
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 1: a lot from people, like once I became a mother,

699
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: like it all just fell away. I didn't care about it.

700
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Went on my first audition one week after giving birth.

701
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: I was like immediately wanted what I wanted before. I

702
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: was like, where are my jobs? That's so funny. I

703
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: have never, I have never told this story, but you

704
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: just brought it up and it's the perfect transition. I

705
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: now I didn't give birth, and let me say I

706
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: understand it's not the same. Sleeping on a cot at

707
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Cedar Sign I, however, is no joke for a large man. Okay,

708
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: let's just be very clear about that. I am not

709
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: comparing the two experiences. I'm simply saying that is laying

710
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: on a cot sleep, attempting to sleep on a cot,

711
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: and I left the hospital and I think I had

712
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: an animated show recording at nine in the morning that

713
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: next day. So, yes, I get what you're saying. Doesn't

714
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't stop, it doesn't stop. Oh, Mark, my kid's Dad, mark,

715
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: left me at the hospital to go have a meeting

716
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: with Vince Vaughan about some movie that he and abby

717
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: were writing for him. Like had no choice. was like

718
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you guys, good, you got it, I'M gonna I'll be

719
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: back in like an hour and a half. Okay, sure, sure, no, no, no,

720
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: do you think? Do you thing? Dude? Um. But so

721
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: cougartown came around just in a perfect moment and it

722
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: was the perfect show for me and I can't yeah,

723
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: and I can't say enough nice things about Courtney Cox

724
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: and also Bill Lawrence and Krista mill and Josh Hopkins

725
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: and Um Ian Gomez and Dan Bird, I mean like

726
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Brian Van Holt, like everyone was incredible and we really

727
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: had such an amazing time, but especially Courtney Cox is

728
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: just the greatest. Exactly what you want as the star

729
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: of a show, because you know we've all experienced other things,

730
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: and she doesn't have to be as magnanimous and generous

731
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: and lovely and hard working and nonstop as she is.

732
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: She could just go live on her friends money. You know,

733
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean truly. You know, I thought you were going

734
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: to say island or something more subtle. You were like, no,

735
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: live on her friends money. No, the friends money, but

736
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, but she could be any version

737
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: of anything and but she's literally the great she was

738
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: the greatest boss, the best sort of mentor in terms

739
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of what that kind of leadership should look like, and

740
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: I learned a lot just by like watching her and

741
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: how she treated everyone around her with such respect all

742
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: the time. That's awesome. That's that's so great to hear. Actually,

743
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't know her. I've met her, but I don't

744
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: know her at all. So that's she also, it doesn't

745
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't pull any punches, like if it's you know,

746
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: if there's an issue, like she is like, we need

747
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: to discuss this and figure out how to solve it,

748
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: like she's very much she's a boss. She's a boss,

749
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: she's a great boss. She's a great boss. That's awesome.

750
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we could talk forever about all of your projects.

751
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: I do want to get too busy tonight. What was

752
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: your idea behind that? Wanting to adjust your career path

753
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: a bit? and well, it's it was a huge change

754
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: for you. What what was the impetus for that? Well,

755
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: a bit it was burnout with the industry, part of

756
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: the industry, and you know, I had done this pilot

757
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: for Tina fey and it was so great. It was

758
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: like me and Casey Wilson and Bradley Whitford Played Our

759
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: dad and Luke Deltredici was the writer and was going

760
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: to show run it, and Tina and Robert Carlack we're

761
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: producing it, and the show was so funny and I

762
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: was like this is it, like I this is it,

763
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: like I'm so happy that I got the thing finally,

764
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: like this is my thing, like I'm so grateful for this.

765
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: And then it didn't get picked up in the most

766
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: like unceremonious, weird fizzle of like they never it wasn't

767
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: like one of those things where they were like it's

768
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: not getting picked up, it's just they just kept holding

769
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: onto it's so weird and heartbreaking, you know, and I

770
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: was so heartbroken and I have been so heartbroken Brian

771
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: for so many years over so many different projects, and

772
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: I just was like why am I doing this to myself?

773
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: This is like torture. And around that time, or a

774
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, I had started doing instagram stories and

775
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: that had become this whole thing, like people were like

776
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, taking all this interest in me

777
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: and there were articles. The New Yorker wanted to write

778
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: an article about me and you know, there was all

779
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: of this attention on that. And Eric Gurian, who produced

780
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: this with Tina fe, called me and asked if I

781
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: wanted to have lunch when they were like the Emmy's weekend.

782
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: After that, pilot didn't get picked up. So a couple

783
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: of months later and he was like we want to

784
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: do something with you, like what do you want to do?

785
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: What kind of show do you want to do? Like

786
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: we want to figure something out, and I was like, Eric,

787
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I can't be an actor anymore.

788
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: It's too much heartbreak. And he's like, well, you're obviously

789
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: entertaining and you're super watchable. How many People Watch your

790
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: stories every day? And I was like at the time,

791
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean this is fucking crazy. At the time it

792
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: was like two and fifty thousand people a day. We're

793
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: watching my fucking stories, which is nuts. Now it's like,

794
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I want to say it's like sixty five or something

795
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: like that. You know so, but like no one was

796
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: doing them and I just whatever. I got in on it.

797
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: You pioneered it, pioneered it. I pioneered the way that

798
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: everybody does it. I know it's so exciting that I

799
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: did that. Um, thank you, thank you, and I'm sorry,

800
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: but I was like, I don't know, but I'll let

801
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: you know. Like I don't know what I'm doing, I

802
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk is that going to happen,

803
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: but I'll let you know. And then I went to

804
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: my manager at the time's birthday party. That was at

805
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: the MERV Griffin estate in Palm Springs, and I got

806
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: stoned and was like sitting out looking up at the stars,

807
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: like and I turned to mark and I was like

808
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I have to have a late night talk show. That's

809
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: what it is. I have to have a late night

810
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: talk show, and he was like uh, okay, and I'm

811
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: like no, it's like the perfect confluence of things. I

812
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: love talking. I love having conversations with people about things.

813
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: I have so many friends. There aren't enough women that

814
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: have these shows. Like this is just stupid and it's

815
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: you know. So from that perspective, from a feminist perspective,

816
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: I was like, let's even the playing field. Since Chelsea left,

817
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: like no one has a nightly show. So I called

818
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: Gurian and I told him that's what I wanted to

819
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: do and he's like, well, I don't I don't know

820
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: if Tina and I are going to be I don't

821
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: know if we're the fit for that. We've never done that.

822
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what we want to do

823
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: right now. And I was like, okay, we'll just bring

824
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: it up to her. Let her know. He's like okay.

825
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Then I went and took a meeting at my agents

826
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: at the time and they brought in like the brows

827
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: that do the talk show part of the agency. I

828
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: don't even know what that's called, hosting and hosting probably,

829
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and they were very, I don't know, non committal, I

830
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: would say, like Christian. They were disinterested. They were like like,

831
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: they were like, I mean, we could try to set

832
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: you up with like maybe like a season showrunner that

833
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: does this, and then we could like come up with

834
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: a concept and then we could go pitch it. I

835
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't know when. I was like you guys

836
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: really are not listening to me. I'm going to do

837
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: a late night talk show because the ghost of Merv

838
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Griffin told me when I was stoned that that's what

839
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And they were like okay, and no joke.

840
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Four days later the phone rang and it was Eric

841
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: Gurrey and and he's like, well, I've got some news

842
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: and I was like what and he's like, I think

843
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: Tina and Dave miner just sold your late night talk

844
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: show to e over the phone. Amazing and literally, like

845
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: that's how it fucking happened like that. Tina had some

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Speaker 1: because her general, you know, her overall deal, is at universal,

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Speaker 1: and she had some call with e and they said, well,

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Speaker 1: we really want to get back into like a late

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Speaker 1: night talk show space and Tina was like, well, have

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Speaker 1: I got the show for you? and that was it, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Within I would say like a month and a half,

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Speaker 1: like the deal was done and then within four months

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Speaker 1: we started like developing it and then we were greenlit

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Speaker 1: in August, I think, and then it premiered in October,

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Speaker 1: like almost exactly one year after the merv Griffin thing.

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Speaker 1: Crazy good experience. Oh, I loved doing the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had the best time. It was fantastic. We had

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Speaker 1: a real casey stange, and I, who we do our

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Speaker 1: podcast together and she was my showrunner for the show and,

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Speaker 1: you know, we really had a vision for what we

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Speaker 1: wanted it to be and we wanted it to be

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Speaker 1: different and for different a different audience than what other

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Speaker 1: late night shows have been. I didn't want to like

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Speaker 1: parent anyone else's style and I wanted to make it

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Speaker 1: for I literally wanted to make a show for me,

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Speaker 1: like something I would enjoy watching, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: felt really strongly about doing it multiple nights a week

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Speaker 1: because I think that it was like a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a challenge and a trial by fire and but

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Speaker 1: I think we got the show up and going really

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Speaker 1: so much faster than we would have if we were

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Speaker 1: doing it like once a week, you know. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I was, I'm really proud of it. I really am

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Speaker 1: proud of it. I love like loved it and I

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Speaker 1: loved our guests and everybody who came on the show

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Speaker 1: would leave and say something incredible like, honestly, this is

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Speaker 1: the best experience I've had on a talk show ever.

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Speaker 1: You know, like it was just Super Fun and we

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00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: were really sad. I was really, again, really sad, really

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Speaker 1: heartbroken when it was over, because I thought that by

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Speaker 1: taking control of it and being creatively in control and

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Speaker 1: an executive producer and like I was very involved with

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Speaker 1: every aspect of it, for some reason I thought I

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Speaker 1: would be better prepared for like, yeah, I was not. No. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you that you had the experience. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and maybe again. Is that done? I mean, sure, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm at this point now where I'm like, I'll do it,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever what may, I'll do anything. Who knows? Again,

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Speaker 1: like you said, am I a comedian? Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I am, Dude. I'm just like, I'm here,

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Speaker 1: I'm here. You're well, you're I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: a comedian or not. Like I said, I don't even

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00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I struggle with like those types of labels. But do

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Speaker 1: you do stand up? No, that's the thing to meet

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Speaker 1: comedian means stand up. I agree. Yeah, now you're changing story. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: I am changing my story. I know you are. That's

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Speaker 1: what I just I just called you out on it, busy,

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Speaker 1: God bless it. I uh so enjoy talking to you.

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Speaker 1: You really make me laugh. So, comedian or not, that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's really all I'm looking for. Good luck figuring

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Speaker 1: out what you want to do next. I know it

902
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: will be incredible and I appreciate so much you're coming

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Speaker 1: to talk to me. I'm so happy too. I love

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Speaker 1: talking to you, I love seeing you. Thank you. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: Brian Busy. That was incredible. Yeah, I'm still laughing. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for stopping by. To those of you out there listening,

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Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure hanging with you this beautiful Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: or or whatever day it is that you're listening. I'M

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Speaker 1: gonna be back next week, on Tuesday, same time, same place,

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Speaker 1: with another amazing guest, a guest who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: stars in one of my recent favorite television shows. Can

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Speaker 1: you guess what it is? I'll give you a hint.

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Speaker 1: He is a bad, bad man. We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Off The beat is hosted an executive produced by me,

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Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. Our producers are

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Speaker 1: Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris and Emily Carr our

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Speaker 1: talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern is

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Speaker 1: Sammy Katz. Our theme song bubble and squeak, performed by

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Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton Mumm