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Speaker 2: Loans and now number seven of Pete Prisco's picks of

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Speaker 2: sportscasters to watch in twenty four j P.

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Speaker 1: Shackers and welcome.

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Speaker 3: It is Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday clean out

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Speaker 3: day at the Miller Electric Center. After a Jaguars loss

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Speaker 3: in week eighteen and a miss of the playoffs and

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Speaker 3: a busy two hours ahead here on ten tinxl Jaguars

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Speaker 3: dot Com Jaguars YouTube after a twenty eight twenty loss

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Speaker 3: to the Titans. The Jaguars missed the postseason, losing five

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Speaker 3: of the last six games of the regular year.

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Speaker 1: And now I'll look ahead to the future.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep it real as always fanatics fan questions in

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Speaker 3: the second hour, JP Shadrick Pete Prisco alongside Tony Boselli

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Speaker 3: coming up. Been well, Pete, this is not what we

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Speaker 3: were expecting about a month ago, and I don't even

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Speaker 3: think this is what we were expecting going into Nashville

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Speaker 3: last week, but it has happened. The Jaguars are out

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs after losing five of six.

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Speaker 1: How are you six?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well due a lot better than that football

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Speaker 2: team right now, I can tell you that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my gosh, JP, I mistounded. You know, when they were

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Speaker 2: cruising along at what eight and three, we sat there

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Speaker 2: and we said, oh, number one seed, they have a

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Speaker 2: chance for the number one seed, and everything and anything

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Speaker 2: that could have gone wrong went wrong. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for the Caroline the Panthers, who are the

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Speaker 2: worst team.

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Speaker 4: In the league, they might not have a victory. That's

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Speaker 4: how bad it fell off the ledge.

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Speaker 2: So look, you know, as far as I'm concerned, you know, JP,

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Speaker 2: I picked them to go to the super Bowl this

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Speaker 2: so I was way when a team doesn't make the

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Speaker 2: postseason and I picked them in when the super Bowl

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Speaker 2: is way home, I'm astounded. I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: thought on the entire process of the team, everything and

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Speaker 2: where they are right now. And you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you've been active on Twitter. You've seen a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: They're not happy in Jacksonville. Nor should they be, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: Tony Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle with us

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Speaker 3: as well. Tony, and hey, here we are the day

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Speaker 3: after the season and everybody's packed up and leaving.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not the.

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Speaker 6: Not the ending we expected, wasn't boys and Pete, you

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Speaker 6: were wrong. I hadn't going to the AFC title game,

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Speaker 6: so I wasn't much more right than you. And I

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Speaker 6: mean I think when you said Pete's right, I mean

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Speaker 6: without that win against the worst team the NFL, they

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Speaker 6: very well could have lost sixth straight. And I think

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Speaker 6: it's not just the losses, it's how they lost games.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they beat themselves. It was a team that

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Speaker 5: didn't didn't they play, turn the ball over, penalties, wasn't

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Speaker 5: physical disappointing.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's you know, nine to eight back back

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Speaker 6: winning seasons, but sure doesn't feel like.

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Speaker 5: That right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh Tony, you're silver lining it back to back winning season.

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Speaker 2: There's no silver lining of this season.

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Speaker 5: Z You're right, point, Pete, I just said the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Do you listen?

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Speaker 6: I said, even though it's back to back winning seasons.

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Speaker 5: After not having anything for.

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Speaker 6: Decade, you know, decade plus, that's side twenty seventeet, it

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Speaker 6: doesn't feel that way.

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Speaker 5: That's my whole points.

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Speaker 6: It's so disappointing how this team finished, and really, I

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Speaker 6: mean how they played. And I think there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of I'll say this Pete, there's more questions than answers

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Speaker 6: right now with his football team.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of blame to go around. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of blade.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is across the board, blade, players, coaches,

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Speaker 2: front office, you name it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of blame to go around because this

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Speaker 4: shouldn't happen. This should not have happened.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe we were misguided and thinking that they improved

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Speaker 4: Maybe that was the Maybe that was my mistake.

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Speaker 2: I thought a lot of second, first, second and third

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Speaker 2: and they clearly did not.

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Speaker 4: They did not.

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Speaker 6: No, Pete, I think the biggest the biggest surprise to

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Speaker 6: me was the lack of of the jump that Trevor

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Speaker 5: I was worried by the lack of the lack of uh.

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Speaker 6: They kind of they basically said, Hey, we're gonna stand pat,

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Speaker 5: That the young guys get better. And we talked about

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Speaker 5: that it was a bet. They made it. But the

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Speaker 7: Trevor didn't take the big jump and the concern I

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Speaker 7: that offensive line. I mean you you went in and

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Speaker 5: Maybe worse.

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Speaker 4: It was worse.

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Speaker 6: An aging right guard who's you know, still good in

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Speaker 6: power left and he's a great guy, great good player,

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Speaker 6: and you, I mean think about they went into the

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Speaker 6: I was hopeful, wasn't a believer at left guard. And

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Speaker 6: the thing that ultimately hurt this team the most, in

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Speaker 6: my opinion, is the utter lack of having the ability

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Speaker 6: to run the ball. They were physically outmatched and they

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Speaker 6: couldn't get third shorts, they couldn't get goal lines. And

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Speaker 6: then the interior of the defensive line. I mean, the

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Speaker 6: had a great year, trayvond got you know, did some

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Speaker 6: nice things that as the year went on, but the interior,

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Speaker 5: Okay, but they got pushed around. And he got pushed

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Speaker 5: around on Sunday.

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Speaker 6: By the Tennessee by the Tantasy Titans, who have a

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Speaker 6: bad offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they an Tony.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned physical play, physical toughness. That shows up a lot,

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Speaker 2: But you know what's shown up on Sunday too when

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Speaker 2: when Spears had the ball.

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Speaker 4: They're not very fast either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he burned them.

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Speaker 4: I mean Jenkins moves in concrete. I mean he he

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Speaker 4: was awful on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't make plays, he took bad angles, and.

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Speaker 8: It just.

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Speaker 5: Don't say this. I'll give you credit. You said it

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Speaker 5: earlier in the year.

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Speaker 6: You thought Jenkins looked like he slowed down, and I

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Speaker 5: I think he's lost his step, But I don't I

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Speaker 5: don't think. I don't think it's a particularly fast team.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, and in terms of defending him, you

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Speaker 2: don't have to worry about their speed a lot that much.

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Speaker 4: And they don't ever throw, you know, if it's not.

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Speaker 2: A deep deep ball, they don't ever throw the twenty

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's the design of the offense isn't good.

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Speaker 2: We get into all that, we can get into play calling,

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Speaker 2: we can get into roster building, we can get into

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Speaker 2: the quarterback not not getting better, and in fairness to

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Speaker 2: the quarterback, they beat the daylights out of that kid,

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Speaker 2: and for whatever reason he kept showing up to play.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he shouldn't have showed up to play in some

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Speaker 2: of those games because he's not the same guy. His

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Speaker 2: mechanics have waned. He's sped up an Tony. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you one play that I watched the tape today and

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Speaker 2: you'll probably remember this.

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Speaker 4: They ended up scoring on the drive. It was the

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Speaker 2: but he pre German.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he never looked that.

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Speaker 6: The thing that jumped out of me on the tape

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Speaker 5: It felt like several times Trevor predetermined where he was

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: There were opportunities, but don't get me wrong, there weren't

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Speaker 2: a ton of opportunities down the field.

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Speaker 6: There were I'm gonna say this beat though, but Trevor

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Speaker 6: was impacted by the shoulder.

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Speaker 5: You can see how the ball came out.

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Speaker 4: Yes he was.

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Speaker 5: He was nowhere near one hundred percent. I don't care

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Speaker 4: No, no, he was not even a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Passing through to Ingram was a lollipop compared to some

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Speaker 1: But he said today it was still very sore, so

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Speaker 2: You can see it you and and credit to him

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Speaker 2: for being a tough guy and playing through it. But again,

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Speaker 2: you compound the poor interior offensive line play, the design

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Speaker 2: because he took a beating.

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Speaker 4: You add that all up. He wasn't the same quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He didn't take the growth. He should be standing in

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Speaker 2: Ridley coming back into the middle of the field and

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Speaker 2: firing the shot to a Jones for a touchdown.

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Speaker 4: He didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: That's not who he became this year and that's why

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Speaker 2: their offense struggled.

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Speaker 1: But how do you get it back next year?

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Speaker 6: But I don't think that's the I'm the main reason.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that we can talk about play calling

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Speaker 6: and design. I don't think play callers trusted the offensive

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Speaker 6: line to hold the ball and to run it. I

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Speaker 6: think they had to gimmick everything up. And I think

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Speaker 6: he saw it all year. And I go back to

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Speaker 6: and I know how broke a record. I know I'm biased,

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Speaker 6: and I know you know, everyone wants to talk about

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Speaker 6: receivers and quarterbacks and everything else.

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Speaker 5: This is a good person game. I mean, you've heard

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Speaker 5: me say this.

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Speaker 4: You're not wrong, Tony, You're not wrong.

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Speaker 6: And I will I will go to the end of

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Speaker 6: time saying, you build inside out, front to back. Once

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Speaker 6: you have a quarterback, you get big people, You physically

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Speaker 6: control the line of scrimmage, and if you do that,

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Speaker 6: you will win more games than not. And we did

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Speaker 6: tells the story of this team and lack of ability

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Speaker 6: to execute and must get you know, must situation where

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Speaker 6: and we run a quarterback sneak in. Our center is

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Speaker 4: That's a terrible call. That's just a bad call.

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Speaker 2: Tell me I wouldn't be yelling out press is right

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Speaker 5: By the way, I don't care. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Because those guys got blocked by a bad offensive line.

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Speaker 4: He was bad will be.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to put too much on the linebackers

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Speaker 4: They were getting chopped. They were getting chopped a lot.

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Speaker 6: They were getting chopped and their guys were on their

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Speaker 5: That's how you have to invest.

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Speaker 6: And you have big decisions to make this offseason, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he let's come back in a moment. We've

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Speaker 3: Boselli and Pete Prisco recapping what the heck happened not

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Speaker 3: only yesterday but this season. And let's continue this offensive discussion.

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Speaker 3: We've got plenty on defense. Who've got you know, roster

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Speaker 3: to some of that in the second hour. But on

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Speaker 3: just a few moments ago about the play calling if

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Speaker 3: He said nope, and talked about the job that Press

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Speaker 3: and calling the plays and stood by it. Yeah, he said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but that doesn't seem to be a starting point, Pete

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Speaker 2: Well, in fairness to Press Taylor, and I didn't like

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Speaker 4: You know me, I say it all the time.

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Speaker 2: But in fairness too, it's hard to call play is

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Speaker 2: So I get it, I understand it, but I still

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Speaker 4: I don't think they allow the quarterback to try the

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Speaker 4: And he can do that, they don't do it. So

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Speaker 4: I think some of that stuff needs to get fixed.

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Speaker 2: You know, the run game is all and Tony says

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Speaker 2: Not many, but there were a couple, and I think

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Speaker 4: The way they play it.

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Speaker 5: It is what it is. The film, you know, they.

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Speaker 11: Attack people?

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Speaker 5: You want to run? You're limited.

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Speaker 4: People and move them this year.

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Speaker 2: It just that that didn't happen, right, So okay, now

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Speaker 4: Can he be the starting center next year? He can't be.

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Speaker 5: I would be.

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Speaker 11: He's gonna be in camp.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know anything.

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Speaker 6: Who's in college and what the talent looks like, and

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Speaker 5: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: They do got to They do have to find a

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Speaker 5: Pete. I don't care.

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Speaker 6: You can go have the fastest guy ever if you

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Speaker 4: No, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But at some point you say you draft two offensive linemen,

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Speaker 4: At some point you need a receive. They need speed.

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Speaker 4: They're slow.

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Speaker 2: You know what, you know what would have been a

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Speaker 2: you go, it'd be nice to have those guys. And

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Speaker 2: here's the thing, Okay, Tony, let's talk about the guard

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Speaker 2: that got hurt. The young kid from from UH, from uh,

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Speaker 6: He's bigger, he's wide, but I mean listen, and he

446
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 6: had a nice camp and he was popular because he

447
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 6: ran around and did cartwheels and all that.

448
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Speaker 4: Right, but.

449
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Speaker 6: He put I mean, he's a basically a rookie again

450
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 6: next year from Appalachian State. I'm not hanging my hat

451
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 6: on and saying, hey, here's the starting job. Like we

452
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 6: tried that two years in a row. Given the job

453
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Speaker 6: to Ben Barche. How'd that work out?

454
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Speaker 1: Right?

455
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Speaker 2: Give me an idea, okay, Like like, for example, we'll

456
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: look at the good teams and their offensive like the

457
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers offensive line.

458
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Speaker 4: You look at it on the paper. The guards are

459
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 4: just okay, but they're physical.

460
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Speaker 11: They're big people that go down.

461
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: They're strong like Lake and Tomlinson was a reject at

462
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 2: one point the forty nine Ers got him. He got

463
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: into their system, big physical guy, played well. The Jets

464
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: sign him and he goes into their system and he's

465
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Speaker 2: not the same player.

466
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Speaker 4: He just thought.

467
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: It's there's something about an organization's mentality.

468
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Speaker 4: To Tony, you gotta admit that.

469
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Speaker 2: Physical net Like, the Titans have a terrible offensive line,

470
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: but they can They got physical on Sunday with Jacksonville.

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Speaker 6: No, they did, they did. I mean, it's it's I

472
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Speaker 6: think it's a couple of things. One, you have to

473
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Speaker 6: decide how you want to how do you want to

474
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Speaker 6: play offense, and and and you can still be physical

475
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 6: and spread people out. I mean the Eagles last year

476
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Speaker 6: we're Dane physical and spread everyone out.

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Speaker 11: I mean, so you can have you can do both.

478
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Speaker 6: So I mean, ultimately, that's Doug and Press saying, Okay,

479
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Speaker 6: this is a style of offense we want to play.

480
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Speaker 11: But if you want to be an inside, outside run.

481
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Speaker 6: Team, you have to have guys who put their hand

482
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Speaker 6: in the dirt and come off the ball and move

483
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Speaker 6: people and get to the next level.

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Speaker 11: And you are back, who's a one cut back?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny to you mentioned the Eagles because

486
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: they came from the Eagles at least, you know pressing

487
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: and Doug did. And you sit there and you say, okay,

488
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: well you get a center like Kelsey. No, Kelsey's a

489
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: great player, is a Hall of Famer, But when you

490
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: look at how he's built and how Fortner's built, there's

491
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Speaker 2: there's no they're not even close to being the same

492
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Speaker 2: type of player in that system getting.

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Speaker 11: Moved that overall strength, physical, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's

494
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Speaker 11: it's a It is a mindset. You have to make

495
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Speaker 11: your mind up saying we are going to move people.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know if it's because they just don't

497
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 6: feel like they have the personnel to do it, if

498
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Speaker 6: they're not strong enough.

499
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Speaker 11: But we're not big.

500
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Speaker 4: Upfront on either side of the ball.

501
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Speaker 6: No, we're not big Like Cam is a big man,

502
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Speaker 6: big man.

503
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: The rookie is a pretty big man too. He's lean, he's.

504
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: Lean, but he's a big but he has and his

505
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: run blow has been bad by the way.

506
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Speaker 11: He's big.

507
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Speaker 6: He's a great athlete. He needs to get in the

508
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 6: weight room and get stronger.

509
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Speaker 2: But he's he was a bad run blocker this year,

510
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: even getting to the next level and everything he.

511
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Speaker 11: Was and I think he's gonna be a good player.

512
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Speaker 6: He's a rookie, but he needs to get bigger, Like

513
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 6: you gotta go get big men.

514
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: You need big Like, go get a college tackle who

515
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: can't play tackle in the NFL and make him a

516
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Speaker 2: power guard.

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Speaker 4: Because you look at all that.

518
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: Like remember Ossemile that when he played for the Ravens Colleccio.

519
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: Assemile college tackle, couldn't didn't have the foots to play tackle,

520
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: but could move inside and play.

521
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: Guard and mall people. But Marshall Yander was a college tackle.

522
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 4: He moved inside.

523
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: You, Zach Martin, college tackle moved inside.

524
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: That's what they gotta get two big.

525
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: Mallers, mallers that can hold up and pass protection, give

526
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: that quarterback a nice viewing lane into the middle of

527
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: the field, and can maul people in the run game.

528
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Speaker 2: They don't have that right now. Is an athlete, but

529
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: he had a rough GOVID on Sunday too.

530
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Speaker 11: Tony, Yeah, I think I agree.

531
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Speaker 5: I'm I am looking.

532
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Speaker 11: And here's the other mentality we have to have as

533
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 11: an organization.

534
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 6: You can't get comfortable like every job's open, like you

535
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 6: got to try to upgrade everywhere and you have and

536
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 6: so like I'm looking at the whole offensive line.

537
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Speaker 11: I'm starting within tiers three.

538
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Speaker 6: But you either you better go find a veteran center

539
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: in free agency or go draft one early.

540
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are some good centers in the draft.

541
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Speaker 2: The kid from George is a pretty good center that

542
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: he's available. But again, get the center. Draft college tackles

543
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: who can move in and be physical guards. If you

544
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 2: can't find a good guard, because you know those guys now,

545
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: they play passive tap, so it's hard to evaluate them

546
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: on the next level, but get bigger and defensively when

547
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: you watch it, Roy Robertson, Harris looks little when he's playing.

548
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: He's not a big physical guy. Hamilton hasn't been the

549
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: same guy, and PHOTOCOSSI looks like he plays soft.

550
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, let's come back.

551
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: We'll get into the defensive side a little bit more

552
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: and follow that thought Pete. So yeah, and then the

553
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: second hour, of course, we'll have fanatics, fan questions. We'll

554
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: keep it real as we always do. Plenty to discuss.

555
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: The day after a Jaguars loss to miss the playoffs

556
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: after an eight and three start, they dropped five of

557
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: the last six, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour presented

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Speaker 3: by Jet Home Loans.

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Speaker 4: I use their processing giving it Tom.

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Speaker 11: I think overall this it's tough to do it in

561
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Speaker 11: a moment.

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Speaker 1: You know, hope that you learned something from it, that

563
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: it grows.

564
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: You anddra Cisco in the locker room today trying to

565
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: process what happened yesterday for the Jaguars and a loss

566
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Speaker 3: to the Titans twenty eight twenty the season is over.

567
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: The Jaguars for a three hour stretch after the Week

568
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: twelve win, were the number one scene in the AFC.

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00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: It had a ninety six percent chance to make the playoffs.

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00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: They then dropped five of the last six. Andy, here

571
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Speaker 3: we are. It's Jaguars Happy Hour ten to Nexcel, Jaguars

572
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: dot Com, Jaguars YouTube j P. Shadrick with CBS Sports

573
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: Senior writer Pete Prisco and Pro Football Hall of Fame

574
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: left tackle Tony Boselli. That gets us into the defensive talk, Pete,

575
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: and you started it last segment, that defensive line, the

576
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: interior part of it. We'll get to Josh Allen coming

577
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: up in just a little bit in his offseason ahead.

578
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: That's a totally different conversation, but it starts there and

579
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: then that gives the linebackers room to maneuver. And then

580
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: there's a secondary yesterday trying to chase down Derrick Henry

581
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: with a full head of speed.

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00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yesterday was a bad game for that defense. Period.

583
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: It was just a bad performance. That's not a good offense.

584
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: That offense sticks and Derrick Henry what do you have

585
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: the week before? Ten yards?

586
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: If rush?

587
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: Nothing?

588
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, and they let him look like old Derrick

589
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: Henry and that just gaps, cracks, creases, bad tackling, bad angles.

590
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: It was and then when Spears had the ball, he

591
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: looked like he was shot out of a cannon every

592
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: time he touched it.

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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Henry had forty two yards a week before against Houston

594
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: on twelve.

595
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're not big, they get blocked. The linebackers

596
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: haven't been good. Lua CON's played well this year, but

597
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: he needs more help from Devin Lloyd. And we thought

598
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: we saw it early in the season that went away.

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00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: And and you know, Jenkins had a bad year. He

600
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: doesn't I think he's done. And and Cisco after his injury,

601
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: he wasn't the same player. So you add it all up,

602
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: it's not a great defense. Aside from Josh Allen and

603
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: by the way, there was improvement from Trayvon Walker. Nobody's

604
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: ever going to take that away from him. He's improved

605
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: as a football player, and we did.

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Speaker 5: We weren't.

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00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: On the air last week.

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00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: I got into it with some Jaguar fans about Trayvon Walker. Yeah,

609
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: his sack Camean is a three technique rusher. The other

610
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: one came when he got blocked and made a play

611
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: to get off the block and go tackle the.

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00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: Guy for a yard loss. He didn't win.

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't winning consistently enough. As an edge rusher, he

614
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: would be a dominant three technique player. I really believe that,

615
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: like one of those guys that would get pressure if

616
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: from the interior with the power and the quick step there.

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00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: He's just not an edge rusher. It's not what he is.

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00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: But they're gonna be stubborn enough to sit there and

619
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: continue to say he is.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, beat, I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, if you look at defensively, the

622
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 6: team was eight and three, and then they gave up

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Speaker 6: thirty four to Cincinnati, backup quarterback, thirty one to Cleveland,

624
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 6: third stream quarterback twenty three to Ravens ran Oliver, who

625
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 6: ran all over him thirty to Baker Mayfield and then

626
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 6: twenty eight to Ryan Tannehill and Henry.

627
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: If you go through those games to Tony, there's a

629
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: common theme throughout those games. Poor tackling bus. Poor tackling bus.

630
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Almost everyone there was major bus, whether it's a run bust,

631
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: a run fit, or a wide open receiver assignment. Football

632
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: was not played on defense in the second half of

633
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Speaker 2: the season.

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00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 11: Yeah.

635
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: How many times do we hear the word communication and

636
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: lack of that on defense this year? They even today

637
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: in the locker room kept bringing that up and and

638
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson unacceptable.

639
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: Well, okay, but who's that on?

640
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Speaker 11: It's on both coaches and players, correct Pete.

641
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 6: Coach's job is is to teach players the system they

642
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 6: can go out and execute at a high at a

643
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 6: high level and fast and play fast. Players job is

644
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 6: to study and understand what they're asked to do, and

645
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 6: the coach that he's understand. If he's giving them too

646
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: much he can't comprehend it, then you better take stuff

647
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 6: out and make it simpler.

648
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: Like you saw on the Henry touchdown run, Photocossi came

649
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: on the sidelines and got into it with Buckner.

650
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: I think, and then another.

651
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 11: Got reached and pushed.

652
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: And I know, but or did he did?

653
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: He was he supposed to fill that gap and Lloyd

654
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: was supposed to be.

655
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 11: He was in his gap.

656
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: He got reached the ball at the ball and he

657
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 6: put Devin Lloyd in no man's land.

658
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Right, he could have had to pick one side or

659
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: the other. He picked the wrong side and he went

660
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: out the other side.

661
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: I get it.

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00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: They they but again their mistakes are magnified by the

663
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: fact that they're not physical enough up front. You know, Tony,

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: You've been on played even played against good defensive lines

665
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: where if a guy got out of it, had a

666
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: bad run fit, somebody was physical enough to win theirs

667
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: and cover for him.

668
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 11: Well, I was. You know those great Ravens defenses.

669
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 6: I mean, they set the all time record historic defense

670
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 6: in two thousand, but they were good at ninety nine

671
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: ninety eight too. Let's not forget defensively, they weren't that

672
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: the two thousand year. And everyone used to talk about

673
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 6: how great Ray Loos was and he's a Hall of

674
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 6: Famer and one of the greatest linebackers ever, and people

675
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: would say he's like, go, is he really tough?

676
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 11: I'm like I have no idea.

677
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 6: Half the time, we can't get to him because you

678
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 6: got Sam Adams and Tony Sarah Gusa taking up so much.

679
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 11: Dang space and you can't move those two human beings.

680
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny, Tony is we've gotten away

681
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: from that because everybody thinks the two down defensive lineman

682
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: is a waste, when the reality is, if you stop

683
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: the run, the third down becomes even that much to you,

684
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: more to your advantage. I think Jacksonville needs to find

685
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: big power players on defense.

686
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 11: Pet who works pretty well for Baltimore.

687
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: And with Pierce.

688
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but Mattabuque is more of a he's.

689
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 11: The guys they have like three guys or just huge

690
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 11: human beings.

691
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, this is just a hypothetical

692
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: out there.

693
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 12: If the team had added Klais Campbell and Jadeveon Clowney,

694
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 12: would they have been a better defense because they're not.

695
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, neither one of them is a well Clais

696
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: is a power player, but and and Clowney plays power

697
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: football too.

698
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 11: I think, I mean Clay's was going to be limited.

699
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 11: And I mean, if you watch what you with the Atlanta.

700
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 6: He was on a pitch count correct, I mean, as

701
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 6: he should be sixteen years in the NFL or whatever

702
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 6: it is. I think Clowney helps him for sure, I mean,

703
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: because he's a physical, disruptive player.

704
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: But the Ravens are the number one defense in the league.

705
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: They added Clowney in September and van Ney in October.

706
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean, and Pierce was in an addition because he

707
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: remember he opted out that one year and he's I

708
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: mean you go across the board and and there's guys

709
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: like that all.

710
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: Over that raw they had Clowney in remember, So why

711
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: didn't that work out? Why didn't it work out well?

712
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: In large part because I think Trent doesn't like giving

713
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: up compensatory picks.

714
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: And that's all well and good when you're.

715
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: Like, if you're adding guys in free agency or whatever,

716
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: that's all well and good. But if your depensitory picks

717
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: are guys that aren't playing or drafted the second and

718
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: third round over the last couple of years, I mean,

719
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: he drafted a running back at a tight end to

720
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: be amp up the offense, and neither one damped up anything.

721
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 4: They're bad picks right now.

722
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 11: Well, I mean you look at this year, I mean

723
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 11: this draft, No, I think it's always too early to

724
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 11: measure a draft after this one year. But you only

725
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 11: got production.

726
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: Out of one player, really, the right tackle.

727
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 11: Right tackle now Antonio Johnson came on late.

728
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he'll be a starting safety next year.

729
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 11: Good player, But your second three rounders were non factors

730
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 11: this year.

731
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: The linebacker, because he can't stop drafting linebackers that he

732
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: picked in the fifth round got hurt.

733
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 11: I mean it just the defensive end of Louisville has

734
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 11: been on ir the whole. I mean, are inactive all void?

735
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 9: Right?

736
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: And if you can't, if you can't take Chase on

737
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: his job, then clearly there's something wrong with you. They

738
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: put a lot of thought into bringing back Smooth to

739
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: kind of fix things, and he's not the same player

740
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: he was. I mean, there were just too many bad

741
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: decisions being made and and you know what, probably part

742
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: of me was blinded to that when I picked him

743
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: to go to the Super Bowl, because I thought the

744
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: quarterback would take that step and kind of erase some

745
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: of that, you know, and plus we took we've been

746
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: assumptions that some of those guys were going to take

747
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: the next step Tony, but Pete.

748
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 6: I actually the way this defense played down the stretch

749
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 6: is how I thought they'd play all year. I was

750
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 6: betting on the offense being much better, and I thought

751
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: they could overcome.

752
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 11: The I wouldn't.

753
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: I'm about have said a weakness, but average the below

754
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 6: average interior. Because of the quarterback and skill set that

755
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 6: they had at the skill position, I thought.

756
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: They were gonna score push to score five hundred points.

757
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 11: I mean I thought they were gonna score a lot

758
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 11: more point.

759
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were talking about thirty points right by the way, JP.

760
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 4: Tony's we gotta give Tony credit.

761
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: He said twenty five and a half sacks to those

762
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: two and he got them. And by the way, when

763
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: he said that, I said, if they get twenty five

764
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: and a half sacks, they will definitely be playing super Yes,

765
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: that's right.

766
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 6: They got twenty seven and a half. But here's the

767
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 6: interesting Pete. Those two guys got twenty seven and a half.

768
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 6: The rest of the team had twelve and a half.

769
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: It's not enough. Hey, let's come back. We'll get into

770
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: Josh Allen when we return. A Microsoft Question of the

771
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: Day right around the corner. In addition, and the final

772
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: show of this season, if you're looking for the MVP

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00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: I just checked.

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00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 13: We call my age dog all the all that type

781
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 13: of negotiating. We'll talk when we need to talk, but

782
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 13: I did at this time right now. But I'm worried

783
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 13: about getting my body back right, spend time with my

784
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 13: family and you know, keep folksing on what I'm gonna do.

785
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: Mixing Josh Allen today in the locker room the day

786
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: after the end of the regular season, and welcome back

787
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: to Shaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, final show for

788
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: us here in the twenty twenty three season. JP Shadwick,

789
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: Pete Prisco and Tony Busselli and Jaguars Happy Hour presented

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791
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: and Jaguars YouTube. Time for the Microsoft Question of the Day,

792
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: how much How did the Jaguars handle the Josh Allen

793
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: contract situation this off season?

794
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: You gotta pay him or tag him.

795
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got you gotta make sure

796
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 11: he's on the roster.

797
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 6: I mean, let me tell you what's not a good

798
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 6: idea when you're lacking a lot of talent is letting

799
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 6: your best defensive player walk correct.

800
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: I mean you can't. And it's not like he's an

801
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: older defensive player. He's still relatively.

802
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 11: Young relative he's like twenty six.

803
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: Well, relative by NFL standards, relative by life standards, he's

804
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: very young.

805
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be twenty seven next football season.

806
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: I mean you got to keep him.

807
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 11: You have no choice.

808
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: What's he going to command?

809
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: Pete Well, I mean you start with what's Montese Sweat?

810
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: What did Montese Sweat get? And and then he's had

811
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: more productive year than Montest Sweat. So I think you know,

812
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: where do you rank him in terms of the elite

813
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: pass rushers. He's not TJ.

814
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 4: Watt, He's not Miles Garrett, but his season says he is.

815
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 11: What does TJ. Wattet?

816
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: He ain't getting TJ. Watt money.

817
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 11: I'm just asking.

818
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: That's why he has to tell it.

819
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what do you think? I mean?

820
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Montez Sweat got four years ninety eight million.

821
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's I think you're paying him between

822
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 6: twenty three and twenty five.

823
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: Top defensive end Nick Fosa has thirty four a year.

824
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: He ain't getting that.

825
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: No, I think it's Garrett's twenty five sweats twenty four.

826
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 11: And I bet you, I bet you's in the twenty five.

827
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: Crosby and Hendrickson are twenty three and twenty one. So yeah,

828
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: he'll get.

829
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: He'll probably get twenty four to twenty five, twenty six six.

830
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 11: He's better than Henderson.

831
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: Hendricks's not a great year though, Oh he's No.

832
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 11: When I say better, Henderson's a very good player, I'm not.

833
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 11: I'm not slight Henderson.

834
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: No, he'll get.

835
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: He'll get that, and you gotta find a way to

836
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: keep him. There's there's no doubt about that. You have

837
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: to find a way to keep them.

838
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 11: Well, here's the thing. You thought you'd have to pay

839
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 11: Trevor this year.

840
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: You don't.

841
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 11: You don't pay Trevor this year. No, I wouldn't. No,

842
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 11: I love him.

843
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: I'm not.

844
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 11: I'm not in the camp of half our fan base.

845
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: Who thinks he's that's ridiculous.

846
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 11: It's ridiculous. He's a franchisic quarterback. He's gonna be a

847
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 11: superstar still. I believe that with everything.

848
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 4: He's developed some bad habits.

849
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 11: But you can but he'll fix it. I have full confidence.

850
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Well if you have full confidence way him and you.

851
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 11: Don't have to dollars? Why do I have to? By

852
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 11: the way, I don't have to pay him for three years.

853
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: I don't want to, right, But the money's gonna only

854
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: go up, right, guess what else goes up?

855
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 11: JP? Sorry?

856
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 8: Cap?

857
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: But here here's okay. You clean out money. Sheriff's gone.

858
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: You're cleaning out fourteen. You save fourteen million by releasing Sheriff.

859
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: You save nine by releasing Photocosi gone.

860
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Are you renegotiating Cam Robinson?

861
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: Well, you've probably tried. You'd probably try to because his

862
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: cap number is twenty one million.

863
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll tell you this.

864
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 6: I didn't if you asked me before the season is Cam,

865
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: We're gonna be a Jaguar in uh twenty twenty four.

866
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 11: You just said no, you got to bring him back.

867
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, and I was, and I was on

868
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: the opposite side of that in the big way.

869
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 4: Remember, yeah, you have to bring him back.

870
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: Zay Jones six million to say see uh, Roy robertson Harris.

871
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: You save eleven and that you say eleven point seven

872
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: million dollars to get rid of Roy Roberts and Harris

873
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: how much eleven point one seven?

874
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: Eleven point seven?

875
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not sure about day.

876
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point you need receivers if if Ridley

877
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: is he.

878
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: Actually say six y nine.

879
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Pete, I think you're wrong about Zay.

880
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 6: You keep him Zay healthy, you're you're he does things

881
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 6: that I mean, maybe you renegotiate it, push some money out,

882
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 6: extending a year or two, but I'm not getting rid

883
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 6: of Ay.

884
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: What do you do with Darius Williams?

885
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 11: He was your best corner?

886
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're gonna have to renegotiate him.

887
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: Probably sit You save ten million by letting him go,

888
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: but maybe renegotiate that.

889
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: Now he's thirty, gonna be thirty one next year.

890
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: I think, Okay, here's your savings on guys ready.

891
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you save seventeen on cam so you might want

892
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: to redo that deal. You got to restructure that. That twenty

893
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: one million dollar cap it for him is high nine

894
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: million for sheriff.

895
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: He's gone seven million for a Lucon. You can't get

896
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: rid of him. Can you You probably try it. You can't.

897
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 6: Peter's hey, Pete, isn't that why you drafted Muma and

898
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 6: Devin Lloyd back?

899
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: Of course, that's why, uh, Photocosi, you save three and

900
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: a half million. Goodbye, Rayshawn jencoins you say five, see ya,

901
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: I'm just going down so that some of the guys

902
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: they could get That's about it for guys that could

903
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: get rid of.

904
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: That's a lot of holes to phill Pete.

905
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: You don't save that much money by getting rid of

906
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 4: the other guys, though. It's a lot of holes to feel.

907
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 4: But you can't pay those guys.

908
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring Josh Allen back at a big number, right,

909
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to try and reduce some of those deals.

910
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: Right, that's the point. You can't get rid of all

911
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: those guys.

912
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 11: Okay, hold on, Rashaan.

913
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 14: Antonio Johnson is then to take that spot, easy, easy out,

914
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 14: pod COSSI love him, nice guy, but I mean he's

915
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 14: not producing.

916
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: He's not worth that money, you know any better?

917
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 11: With him? How much do you say?

918
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: With Roy?

919
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: You say, uh, actually you don't.

920
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: You don't because uh, they redid his deal, remember got it?

921
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 11: Mm hmm, So he'll be back cam. You probably can.

922
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: Redo Photocosti's gone, Rayshawn Jenkins is gone. You're gonna have

923
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: to redo kirksteal his cap pits twenty four million?

924
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: You got it.

925
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 6: But here's the math you gotta do. Well, here's the

926
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 6: what you got a side peat? You can't bring.

927
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 11: Kirk? How much if you just let Kirk go? How much?

928
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: You say you only save two million?

929
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's here, like, you can't pay Kirk and Ridley?

930
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: No, what's Ridley going to command?

931
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: I mean, what about what about the tight end he's got.

932
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: He's got to come back?

933
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: Right, he's got he just signed a new deal, remember right, Yeah.

934
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: But and his deal is isn't his cap number is

935
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: only seven million dollars.

936
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 6: So, but here's the thing with Ridley and listen, he's

937
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 6: he has a skill set that is helps the team,

938
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 6: no doubt about it.

939
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 11: The stat that.

940
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 6: Jumped out of me yesterday, Pete, you know that was

941
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 6: his only second year in his career to have over

942
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 6: a thousand yards.

943
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he hasn't played a lot of years either.

944
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: He was the year he was the year before he

945
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: got he started taking time off and all that and

946
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: got in trouble. Was he was a thousand years receiver

947
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: that year. He was actually moving to being the number

948
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: one wide receiver on that team. Was that two thousand and.

949
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: Twenty?

950
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 11: I was just surprised.

951
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean, okay, from what you've seen

952
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: of him, and you saw the two big plays, he

953
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: should have caught the one. I mean, it wasn't a

954
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: great throw. Trevor had time to make that a better throw,

955
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: but he still could have. He still should have laid

956
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: out to catch the ball, don't you agree.

957
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 6: I mean, I would have liked to see him lay out.

958
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 6: It would have been an amazing catch.

959
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: Correct, It wasn't a great throw. He was on his

960
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: back foot and it wasn't a great throw.

961
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: But the one in the middle of the field, I

962
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: mean he looked like that looked like big, big time

963
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: NFL receiver on that play.

964
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 5: But Pete.

965
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 11: Is he a number one?

966
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: No, he's not.

967
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 11: I mean he's not a J. Brown, He's not.

968
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 4: He's not.

969
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: He's not Jamar Chase, he's not Justin Jeffers, he's not

970
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill.

971
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: He's not. No, he's not.

972
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: Jus Yeah, would you take kim or T Higgins?

973
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: Is T Higgins a one?

974
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 11: I'm not. I'm not saying either the one. I'm just asking, well,

975
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 11: is that a similar skill set?

976
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: Similar Let's come back second hour. We've got plenty to

977
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: discuss on the second half of this show, including fanatics,

978
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: fan questions, and.

979
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: If we haven't already, we'll keep it real.

980
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans.

981
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 8: H everything about the year and the opportunities that we've

982
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 8: missed and the good moments too. I mean the games

983
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 8: where we played well and had some big wins and

984
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 8: then but you look at the games where you know

985
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 8: we lost and maybe you win those games. We're not

986
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 8: in that position yesterday. But it all comes down to

987
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 8: you know, week eighteen, and we control, you know, if

988
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 8: we get into the playoffs and we're not able to deliver.

989
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 8: So that's disappointing. Like I said after the game, you know,

990
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 8: still need some more time to reflect and think about everything.

991
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 8: And there's a lot of lessons learned this year, you know,

992
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 8: individually as a team, as an organization, just things that

993
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 8: you know we can do better moving forward. You know,

994
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: things that I can do better. I know I need

995
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 8: to play better consistently. So yeah, those things are disappointing,

996
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 8: and but I know we're gonna I know we're gonna

997
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 8: be better for it. I have no doubt about that.

998
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 8: I'm not going anywhere, you know, I'm gonna keep coming back,

999
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 8: and we're gonna learn from this, and it's gonna make

1000
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 8: us better, it's gonna prepare us for what's to come.

1001
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 8: And it's just part of our story and it's hard

1002
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 8: to accept that right now.

1003
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: That is the quarterback of course.

1004
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence in the locker room today, the day after

1005
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: the end of the twenty twenty three regular season, and

1006
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: welcome back. It's our two of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented

1007
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: by Mister Chubby's Wings, JP Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco

1008
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: recapping a Jaguars loss to the Titans twenty eight to twenty,

1009
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: the final score and the end of the regular season.

1010
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: The Jaguars dropped five of their last six games and

1011
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs after an eight and three start. They

1012
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: flirted with the number one seed after Week twelve for

1013
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: a week or so, had a ninety six percent chance

1014
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: of making the playoffs after week twelve, and they missed.

1015
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 4: So.

1016
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Questions now about the collapse, how it disintegrated, and the

1017
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: path moving forward that all will be decided in the

1018
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: coming weeks in the post mortem for the front office

1019
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: and the coaching staff. A quarterback play is part of

1020
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: that defense, a big part of that, especially in the

1021
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: second half of the season, and plenty of pending free

1022
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: agents including Josh Allen and Calvin Ridley to figure things

1023
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: out with. And uh, that's where we are, Tony and Pete,

1024
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: and you get a long off season to trying to

1025
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 3: answer some of these questions, and the question list is long,

1026
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: really long.

1027
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 6: I want to go back to the Ridley conversation real

1028
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 6: quick because we had to wrap it up, Pete, Do

1029
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 6: you bring him back?

1030
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: Depends what the money is and how I can if

1031
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: I can finagle the mechanism, so I don't give up.

1032
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: If I'm giving up two, I'm not bringing him.

1033
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 11: That's my point.

1034
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 6: I don't think and listen, do I want Ridley on

1035
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 6: the team, Yes, I think he's a good player. Yes,

1036
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 6: But the money you're gonna have to pay him, I believe,

1037
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 6: plus giving up a second rounder when you need to

1038
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 6: invest in big people, I don't think I would.

1039
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: Would you give up the four for him?

1040
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 11: You already gave up before.

1041
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.

1042
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: Would you don't you have to?

1043
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 11: You already give him a the third because time right right? Yes,

1044
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 11: I give him a three?

1045
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't have to, would you pay him?

1046
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Would you? Would you? Would you tag him? If you

1047
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 2: could do that, tag him and then pay him. See

1048
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: that problem with that is you're gonna need that tag

1049
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: for Josh Zalen.

1050
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: You gotta save the tag for Josh unless you can

1051
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 6: get a deal done, which is unlikely. I would have

1052
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: to go see what the receiver market is for a

1053
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 6: guy like Calvin. I assume his agent and he are

1054
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 6: gonna want number one wide receiver money.

1055
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna say it's not getting number one

1056
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 4: wide receiver money.

1057
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 11: Like as a free agent, what does he get paid?

1058
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 6: Like I can see the Chiefs or something like that

1059
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: giving him eighteen a year or something like that.

1060
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I don't think he's getting he's

1061
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: getting the elite elite money.

1062
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 11: What is the elite elite money for receivers today?

1063
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: Let me look at the top guys right now as is.

1064
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you you know Jefferson's gonna get done

1065
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: this summer, at least that'll change the dynamic a little bit.

1066
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: Uh Tyreek Hills thirty million dollars.

1067
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: He ain't getting that.

1068
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: Adams twenty eight million, No Cooper Cup twenty six million,

1069
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: AJ Brown twenty five, Stefan Diggs twenty four, DK Metcalf

1070
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: twenty four, Deebo Samuel twenty.

1071
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: Three to nine, Terry McLaurin twenty three.

1072
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: So he's gonna want that, that's what he's gonna be targeting.

1073
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 4: He ain't worth that.

1074
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 6: No, I just don't think I'm gonna get to prioritize.

1075
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 6: And it's nothing against Calvin. But if you're mean to me,

1076
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 6: if you're asking me who am I gonna pay? Am

1077
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 6: I gonna pay Calvin Ridley twenty three or Josh Allen

1078
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 6: twenty five? I'm paying Josh Allen?

1079
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: Okay, on the surface, right now, as we talk about

1080
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: this team, do you have any feeling that they will

1081
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: be a better team next year than they were this year?

1082
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 11: To tell me what they do him free agency? In

1083
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 11: the draft, they go, get they go.

1084
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: They clearly don't have a ton of money to spend

1085
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: it free agency. They gotta take care of Josh Allen.

1086
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: If you tag him, that's gonna take up a ton

1087
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: of your cap.

1088
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's if you can if you can get

1089
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 6: if you get a deal done, you can make it

1090
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 6: friendly for the early years, earlier years.

1091
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: Right, But if you don't get him done before free agency,

1092
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: then you gotta tag him and that takes up a

1093
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: bunch of your cap.

1094
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 5: And I pete.

1095
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 6: I don't keep track of their exact cap space and

1096
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 6: how much the cap is gonna go up. I mean they,

1097
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 6: I know, they have some accounting gymnastics they can do

1098
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 6: by because they haven't pushed money out. They have one

1099
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 6: of the lowest, you know, amount of money pushed forward.

1100
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 11: So there's some things they can do.

1101
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give it. Let's go through some of the guys,

1102
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: would you, Okay? Kelsey's an unrestricted free agency if he's

1103
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: gonna plays and to go back to Phillipy. Listen, these

1104
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: are the free agents. Kevin Zeitler, he starts to Baltimore.

1105
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 4: He's a pretty good player.

1106
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: But Jonah Williams, Dwayne Brown, Tyron Smith, they don't need that.

1107
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: Jonah Williams, No, Aaron Brewer. You saw him play center

1108
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: and he's not any good.

1109
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: He's tiny. Lucas Patrick.

1110
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 5: I mean, there's.

1111
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: Nothing, there's nothing on the market that they that used

1112
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: to Graham Glasgow thirty one. You're gonna pay him. There's

1113
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: nothing on the market that would excite them. Robert Hunt,

1114
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: but he's not an unrestricted free agent.

1115
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 8: So.

1116
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to fix your offensive line in the draft.

1117
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Tony, how tough is it. We've seen him come in

1118
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: and play rookie center. Some of them have done a

1119
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: nice job, some of them have strug Creed Humphrey has

1120
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: been was outstanding as a rookie.

1121
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 6: Baltimore rookie is pretty dang good. No, he was a

1122
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 6: second year player. He's a rooki last year.

1123
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: But well yeah, and the center of New York kind

1124
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: of struggled this year John Michael Schmidtz.

1125
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 4: But he started.

1126
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's just say it's a rookie center.

1127
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Sheriff won't be here, so let's it would be the

1128
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: kid from app State. He'll be the right guard, maybe

1129
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: the left guard.

1130
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 4: Cleveland.

1131
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay him to come back or something.

1132
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: He's an understricted free agent.

1133
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 4: No you have.

1134
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: I mean it's a tough Listen, they're not gonna be

1135
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: better than they were this year.

1136
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 5: Well that depends the quarterback take a big step.

1137
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: But how's he gonna take a big step with what

1138
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: around them.

1139
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: If Ridley's out the door, it's Kirk Ingram zay.

1140
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: And where's the Where's where's the number one wide receiver

1141
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 2: in that group?

1142
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 11: Listen, Pete, I'm just playing.

1143
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm playing realist.

1144
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 11: This is the problem. When you don't hit, you don't

1145
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 11: get production.

1146
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 6: Like you draft a running back in the third round,

1147
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 6: you draft a tight end, a blocking tight end in

1148
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 6: the second round.

1149
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: And by the way, that blocking tight end in the

1150
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: preseason it looked like he was gonna maul people.

1151
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: In the regular season, he h't block anybody.

1152
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 6: I mean, he's okay, but I I guess my point

1153
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: is this, Pete, and maybe he has more pass game ability,

1154
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 6: but you don't need that with Evan Ingram.

1155
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 11: But like Luke Ferrell, is Breton Strange, like night and

1156
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 11: day better than Luke Farrell.

1157
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 4: We had a grand total of thirty five receiving yards

1158
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 4: this year, So no.

1159
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: But or blocking, even blocking, I guess you one, you

1160
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 6: didn't need that. And this goes to the philosophy, and

1161
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 6: this is why you got to hit in the draft.

1162
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 11: You can't build a team in free agency.

1163
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: You can't.

1164
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 11: And this team is missing the draft for too long.

1165
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: But here's the other thing.

1166
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: Why are you targeting those positions at that spot point?

1167
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 6: Your second and third rounders have to be starters, got

1168
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 6: to be productive.

1169
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: Why are you drafting a back in the third round

1170
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: that when you don't need that's not a that's not

1171
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: a knee position. You draft the guy in the late

1172
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: round and hope you hit it on him and he's

1173
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: a backup.

1174
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 6: Why are you drafting a tight end and this is

1175
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 6: not against bretton Strange in the second round when you

1176
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 6: are deficient, and then he your offensive line.

1177
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: That Riller was taken in the fourth round when you

1178
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: already had three linebackers.

1179
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 4: You paid one, you drafted two, and you traded up

1180
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: the draft one in the first round. Tyler Lacy, what

1181
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: did he do? Did he do anything?

1182
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: Not a lot? Not a lot.

1183
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Parker Washington played because he had to. Braswell was hurt

1184
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: the draft that that draft was. It was non producing

1185
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: in terms of what they did.

1186
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: Nothing.

1187
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: And then I mean, it's just you're right, Tony. They

1188
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: drafting big people. I mean, Trayvon Walker is a football player.

1189
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: He's not an elite. When you compare his pressures to Hutchinson's,

1190
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: it's night and day one can rush from the edge

1191
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: and one can't.

1192
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 6: Well, Trayvon had forty four I think pressures this year,

1193
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 6: Hutchinson had one hundred.

1194
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: Right, Devin Lloyd trading back into the first round hasn't

1195
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: been worth that.

1196
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 6: Well, let me ask you a question, Pete, what what

1197
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 6: they give up to go into the first round?

1198
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: Do we remember it was the second? Didn't they have

1199
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 4: a second? And they traded that and something else? They

1200
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: traded for picks thirty three, one oh six and one eight.

1201
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 11: So a second and a third correct?

1202
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 4: No, second and a and a fourth.

1203
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 6: Second and fourth one six? Yeah, a bad math beginning

1204
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 6: of the fourth.

1205
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's keep going in that draft because this

1206
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: is this dude.

1207
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: Draft Fortner. No, And here's the other thing. Tony Fortner

1208
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: is high and you always say place high. Could he

1209
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: move to guard?

1210
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 5: No?

1211
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 4: Muma? What is that waste?

1212
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, listen, you draft. It only works if

1213
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 11: you draft a guy like Muma and Lloyd, and you can.

1214
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 6: Let fory A walk this year because now you save

1215
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: a bunch of money and.

1216
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 11: You get younger.

1217
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: Okay, do you let him walk?

1218
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 6: You can't because I don't think Mouma's shown that is

1219
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 6: he gonna play in middle linebacker?

1220
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: Are you better with muma line? No?

1221
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 11: By the way, who's gonna get everyone lined up?

1222
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 5: Right?

1223
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: Well? Maybe I be Trel Miller will play. They do

1224
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: have that linebacker on the shelf.

1225
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 2: I mean, and then the rest of that draft, Greg

1226
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: Junior mont Trek Brown might have been the best pick

1227
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: of all of them.

1228
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: And he's not any good, you know, Trayvon Walker is

1229
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 4: the best pick.

1230
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: But okay, that's so there you go, bad draft, then

1231
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: you can you go you go to twenty twenty one.

1232
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 4: That was the Trevor draft and atn right.

1233
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 11: Well, and the Indians a good player.

1234
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 6: But you and I are both of the school of

1235
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 6: thought you never draft a running back.

1236
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: No, no, not the way the game's played nowadays. Okay,

1237
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: so that draft was Trevor Travis etn Tyson Campbell, who.

1238
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: They traded up for. Also, by the way, atn or, No,

1239
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: that was a second pick.

1240
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 4: Is Tyson Campbell worth the thirty third overall pick?

1241
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 11: No, I mean, he's a he's a solid.

1242
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: Corner Walker little doesn't play.

1243
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 6: Second rounder on the backup Cisco starting caliber player, good pick.

1244
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: Played good early after he got hur he won the

1245
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: same I don't think he was quite the same player yesterday. Okay,

1246
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: then the rest of that draft gone. And you know

1247
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: how many offensive linemen they picked in that draft, Tony Walker,

1248
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: little defensive You know any defensive linemen they picked in

1249
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: that draft? Tony Zero, Ja Tufilly remember him.

1250
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: He was somebody else's practice squad this year.

1251
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 11: Little.

1252
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't in the last couple of drafts.

1253
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: On the offensive line, they drafted Harrison Little and Fortner. Correct,

1254
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: that's it. One place high. One will be a good

1255
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: quality right tackle and the other one's.

1256
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: A third tackle. If you keep your two starters, that's

1257
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: not good drafting.

1258
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 8: No.

1259
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 6: And you can't sustain winning in the era of the

1260
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 6: cap by loading up on expensive free agents.

1261
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 4: No does. And here's the other thing.

1262
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: When you supplemented your roster with some defensive linemen free

1263
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: agents last year, neither one of those two guys made

1264
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: the team. Remember they bought those those two guys in

1265
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: free agents and defensive linemen, and they didn't make the team.

1266
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: It hasn't been the roster building. Let's just put it

1267
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: out there, has not been good. Okay, We've been hedging

1268
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: and saying it eighteen thousand different ways.

1269
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: It hasn't been good.

1270
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: And Somebody asked me the other day what I would

1271
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: do if I was shod conned. I would make changes.

1272
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: Now what changes I make, I'd have to sit down

1273
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: and think about it. But when I look at the roster,

1274
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: somebody's got to be held accountable for that.

1275
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: Is it a good NFL roster? No?

1276
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the two Pro bowlers and if you

1277
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: want to count the deep snapper, aren't they from the

1278
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: last regime, both of them?

1279
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 11: Yes. Let me ask you a pete.

1280
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 6: Based on everything you said, I'm gonna say something I don't.

1281
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 11: I don't think I actually believe I'm gonna put it

1282
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 11: out there based.

1283
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: I wait for this.

1284
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 11: Based on your saying, do you let do you do?

1285
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 6: You let Josh Allen go and say we're just gonna

1286
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 6: invest offensively and make a bet that Trevor's the guy

1287
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 6: because we have we're gonna be in solid we have

1288
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 6: some salary cap challenges, and we got it in our

1289
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 6: bet is right a year from now, two years from now,

1290
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 6: we're gonna have to pay the quarterback, and we need

1291
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 6: to build an offense around him, an offensive line, and

1292
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 6: as much as we love Josh, we're not gonna tie

1293
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 6: that much money up in the camp because what you're

1294
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 6: saying and I'm not sure, but I'm not sure I'm

1295
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 6: on the same page as you, Pete.

1296
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 11: But what you're saying is this team is gonna be

1297
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 11: no better. It's gonna be a middle of the pack

1298
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 11: maybe get you know, fight in a division.

1299
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: That it's better, that will be better, but we'll.

1300
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 11: Fight to you know, have a chance to win the division.

1301
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 6: But is not an upper echelon team.

1302
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: Correct, That's what I'm saying. If you, by the way,

1303
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: is c. J. Stroud better than Trevor Lawrence right now?

1304
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 6: If you were to ask the entire country, they have

1305
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 6: everyone but Jaguar fans, maybe some Jaguar fans and the.

1306
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 4: Jaguar fans because right now he played better than him.

1307
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, they would say yes.

1308
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 3: By the way, if you did move on from Josh,

1309
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: that would be another first round pick that didn't make

1310
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: it to a second contract for the Jaguars that list.

1311
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think you move I don't

1312
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: think you I don't think.

1313
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: If you did move away from it, what are you

1314
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: talking about doing to fix the Take me, what are

1315
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: you doing for the offense? If you went and side

1316
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: pay T Higgins, that ain't gonna take this team to

1317
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: the next level.

1318
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 11: That's the problem, Pete.

1319
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 6: And so I would not I would sign Josh and

1320
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 6: I would just say, listen, I'm gonna go in best,

1321
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make I'm gonna go find the I'm gonna.

1322
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 11: Here's the thing. This call what it is, Pete. You

1323
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 11: have to draft better.

1324
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: Okay, but but what over the last course of the

1325
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: last three years has given you any indication that their

1326
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: draft will fix what this roster is ailing the roster,

1327
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: there's nothing. There's no confidence that that's going to happen

1328
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Speaker 2: at all, none, Pete.

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Speaker 5: I did it.

1330
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Speaker 6: I went through the other day, actually this is probably

1331
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 6: a month ago, and I went through the roster, and

1332
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 6: I want your opinion, and said, how many guys on

1333
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 6: this team are starting caliber players who were drafted by

1334
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 6: the organization.

1335
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.

1336
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Speaker 6: And then I went and I said, how many are

1337
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Speaker 6: impact players that were drafted by this organization?

1338
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Speaker 1: Also another good one.

1339
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: And then and then by comparison, just let's just go

1340
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 2: through the offense real quick.

1341
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 4: We can do this quickly, Okay.

1342
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 6: Starting caliber players on offense Trevor etn Cam and uh

1343
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 6: Anton Harrison.

1344
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Speaker 1: That were drafted by the drafted by the organization.

1345
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 11: Four.

1346
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: Right, you can't say Brent Stranger this time, it's too early.

1347
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 6: You can make an argument because I do believe that

1348
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 6: Walker Little would start on half the teams in this league.

1349
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: But he's not for this one.

1350
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 6: Okay, but you have so let's just say four, maybe

1351
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 6: four and a half. If I give you a Walker Little,

1352
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 6: but four, how many starting caliber defensive players have been

1353
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 6: drafted by this organization? Josh Allen, Trayvon Walker is a

1354
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 6: starting Calbert all day long, Tyson Campbell, and Lloyd Devin Lloyd,

1355
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 6: Devin Lloyd.

1356
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Speaker 11: That's five.

1357
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Speaker 6: And I'm gonna make a bet on Antonio on uh

1358
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Speaker 6: John's on the Antonio.

1359
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Speaker 4: Safety Antonio Johnson. He was a late round pick that'll

1360
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Speaker 4: end up being a good pick for that.

1361
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Speaker 11: That's what I'm saying. So let's say I'll give you six,

1362
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Speaker 11: and I would even give you a.

1363
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Speaker 6: Seven prior to Devon Hamilton being hurt because he was

1364
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 6: playing good football last year. But then you go to like, okay,

1365
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Speaker 6: so that so let's say it's somewhere between ten and twelve,

1366
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 6: right starting cut, that's ten or twelve. Now I'm not

1367
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Speaker 6: putting all on Trent because that was they go back

1368
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 6: to Dave Carwell years too. So then let me ask

1369
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 6: you a question, Pete. So let's say it's ten to twelve, right,

1370
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 6: how many impact players, game changing players have been drafted

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Speaker 6: by this organization?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I guess you could say Josh Allen.

1373
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 11: Josh Allen.

1374
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Speaker 4: I still think Trevor.

1375
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 11: Most people I'm in the Trevor camp.

1376
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Speaker 3: Well, the statistics this year said Cam Robinson was that

1377
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: big of a difference maker for them.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, but here's this is why I'm

1379
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 6: not going to put Cam there, because to be an

1380
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 6: impact player, don't you have to at least be a

1381
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 6: pro bowler one time in your career.

1382
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you're making the parameters.

1383
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not. He's not an impact player. He's just

1384
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: a good, steady player.

1385
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 5: He's a good player. I don't want to get rid

1386
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Speaker 5: of him.

1387
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Speaker 11: And I still believe that Cam is a Pro Bowl

1388
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 11: quality player. But he has to do it for a year.

1389
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Speaker 2: That's it, though, that's it. How about ETN do you

1390
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: count him?

1391
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Point, he was at one point, he was leading

1392
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 4: one point, he was leading the league.

1393
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Speaker 11: And that's it.

1394
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 4: That's it. And and then when you go through the

1395
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: forty nine ers roster.

1396
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 11: But before we go to forty nine.

1397
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get a break two guys real quick.

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Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 5: That's the problem.

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01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: Correct that drafting is the problem.

1401
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: Hey, Russ Madison is going to a Pro Bowl?

1402
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: Does he count? Okay, they're back in a moment. Let's

1403
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 3: keep it real. When we come back. The Jaguars are

1404
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: out of the playoffs. We're on ten ten XL, Jaguars

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Speaker 3: a Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday after the season

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Speaker 3: and JP Shadwick with Tony Biselli and Pete Prisco after

1409
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Speaker 3: Jags loss nine and eight record not good enough to

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Speaker 3: make the postseason for the Jaguars and now time for

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Speaker 3: by Robert Mundavi. Well, the last segment kind of led

1414
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: us into this. The Jaguars officially today, the league put

1415
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 3: out the early part of the twenty twenty four NFL

1416
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 3: Draft first round order. The Jaguars have the seventeenth pick

1417
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: in the first round of the twenty twenty four draft,

1418
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: and draft talk is here way too early.

1419
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: We always try to.

1420
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 4: Not talk to too early.

1421
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: No, it's it's time now. I think, Pete, what position?

1422
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 3: If you are drafting, Pete, would.

1423
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 4: You pick offensive line?

1424
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: Like Tony said, interior guy.

1425
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 2: That's a little high for an interior. I'd probably go

1426
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 2: interior defensive lineman if I could.

1427
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 6: I am drafting the best offensive lineman or defensive lineman on.

1428
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 11: The board, and he'd better be big, and he'd better

1429
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 11: be nasked.

1430
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:51,440
Speaker 6: I'm draft from the biggest, most physical offense or defensive

1431
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 6: lineman on the board at seventeen.

1432
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: You know, you know, Tony, it's funny you say that,

1433
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: because I just looked at the forty nine ers. They

1434
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: drafted Aaron Banks, who's their six foot four, three hundred

1435
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: and thirty pound guard that plays next to Trent Williams

1436
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: in the second round.

1437
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 4: They drafted the right guard who's six foot five.

1438
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifteen pounds in the fourth round, and

1439
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: they drafted the right tackle who's not a big guy,

1440
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: but he's six six, three h five plays physical in

1441
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 2: the fifth round. But they always took shots on linemen

1442
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: each year.

1443
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 11: And you look at their d line, Bosa Armstead.

1444
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: They missed with kin Law, but he plays, he starts

1445
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: kin Law.

1446
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 11: They missed with Solomon Thomas. He's gone.

1447
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 6: They went they you know where they spend free agency.

1448
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 6: They went and got a game changer in hard grains.

1449
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 6: They went and got the Broncos to pay for Gregory.

1450
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 6: They went and got a rental for the cheap and

1451
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 6: the kid from Chase.

1452
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and think about it, and we can have a draft.

1453
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: What last year really because they had all they gave

1454
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: away all those picks with.

1455
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 4: The Trey Lance botching well.

1456
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 6: And then you know, and then look at they hit

1457
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 6: on Greg Kittle fourth rounder, Deebo Samuels second rounder.

1458
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: Uh, and then all the all the linebackers were in

1459
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: the later Law and greg door Leonor was the corner

1460
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 2: was taken in the fifth round.

1461
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 4: A Fungo was taken in the fifth round. Ayuk was a.

1462
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: First round pick. But yeah, you're you know Green Law

1463
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: and Fred Warner. That's where you build your draft. And

1464
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: then when those guys come up, you're they're cheap for

1465
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: a long time and then if they're stars, you pay them.

1466
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 4: If not, you let them go. Out the door and

1467
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 4: you replace them else.

1468
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 11: Guess what you keep on draft of them?

1469
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 4: Right, it's it's you know. To me, the bad drafting

1470
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 4: has crippled this franchise.

1471
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 11: Pete, go look at the last decade of drafting.

1472
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, not good.

1473
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 11: Last decade.

1474
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: When was the last guy that came from nowhere to

1475
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: become a Pro Bowl type player?

1476
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith?

1477
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 4: Wasn't he What round was he taking?

1478
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: It was taken pretty high.

1479
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 4: That's probably the last one. Right.

1480
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: If Antonio Johnson becomes a player, I think he can

1481
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: become and I liked him. He was on my team

1482
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: of guys I like better than most people last year.

1483
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 4: He will be one.

1484
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 6: But Pete, how many people in the last how many

1485
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 6: guys in the last.

1486
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 11: Ten years have they drafted that were Pro Bowl players.

1487
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,480
Speaker 4: The funny thing about this whole thing, they were telling.

1488
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: People before the season they thought they had ten quality

1489
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 2: offensive linemen that could start for every team in the league.

1490
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what they saw.

1491
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 11: I never saw it high.

1492
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 6: I never understood the bet that Ben Bartch was gonna

1493
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 6: come back when he wasn't very good before he heard

1494
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 6: his knee and coming off a knee injury, and you're

1495
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 6: counting on him to be your starting left guard.

1496
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 4: He's now in San Francisco. He probably end up starting

1497
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 4: for that down round.

1498
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 6: I didn't understand the Fortner that like, oh, he's gonna

1499
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 6: get bigger and stronger, Okay, but is he gonna play high?

1500
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Speaker 11: And I understand you know.

1501
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 4: You know, the way he plays reminds me of a

1502
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 4: center from yesteryear.

1503
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 11: That guy was more physical.

1504
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: He was at least he would get in the middle

1505
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: of stuff. Yeah, but that guy played high too.

1506
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1507
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: There you have it.

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Speaker 3: at jbs NS League. Could Derrick Henry be a Jaguar

1528
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Speaker 3: in the.

1529
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 11: Future, No, no.

1530
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: Why not?

1531
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you want to go get an

1532
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 4: aging running back for?

1533
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 11: Yeah? I mean I love Derek Harry. He's his hometown here.

1534
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 11: I mean, if he wants I.

1535
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: Mean, and he's been and he's been a star in

1536
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: this league and he's been a great player.

1537
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, for veteran minimum. If he wants to come

1538
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 4: be a part of it, yeah, why not?

1539
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 6: But someone will pay him more than that, but not

1540
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 6: for what he'll get.

1541
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 11: I wouldn't. And does he fit the way that Doug

1542
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 11: wants to play?

1543
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: Right?

1544
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: If they're talking about you're talking about offensive line and

1545
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 3: getting more physical in the middle and all that, Well,

1546
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 3: that's that's Derreck Henry, right, But he But.

1547
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 6: Derek's line up eight yards deep inside outside zone, downhill I.

1548
01:15:55,400 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 5: Mean, I mean, and if you want Derek hen y'all here.

1549
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 11: He lost it.

1550
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 4: He was he wasn't the same guy. He's not the

1551
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 4: same guy.

1552
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 11: He just found it against us, certainly.

1553
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: By the way, just as little Fyi, the third highest

1554
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 2: rated forty nine er player on Sunday was offensive player

1555
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: was Ben.

1556
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: Barche Wow about that? Good for big good? I like

1557
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: that all right.

1558
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: Next question, AT's still a Jags fan, Tony. Why did

1559
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 3: the players say they were looking for a spark? Is

1560
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: that something normal players do. They're professionals. That should be enough.

1561
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 6: I think what they mean by there by that is

1562
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 6: they were looking for a play or something to change

1563
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 6: the momentum. And you know, not not that they weren't

1564
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 6: emotional or were trying or anything like that, but things

1565
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 6: start going the wrong way on you and you need

1566
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 6: sometimes you just need a big play, someone do something, ball,

1567
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 6: bounce your way whatever.

1568
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 11: I think that's what they're saying.

1569
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 6: They weren't saying, you know, we needed someone to come

1570
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 6: give us a raw ross speech or say something. It

1571
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 6: was just like, you know, when this team was sliding

1572
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 6: the wrong way.

1573
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 4: Are you talking about in that game or period?

1574
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: I think to about overall is what the you know

1575
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: they talked about that.

1576
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that, but in that game they got a

1577
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: spark when when Tony when Cisco had the interception and

1578
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: they went run throw a dump for four yards and

1579
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 2: now you're in third down and you have to go

1580
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: on fourth down instead of that, there's.

1581
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 4: No aggression there that you get that turnover. You gotta

1582
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 4: go bang down the field, take a shot.

1583
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, if it's over the length of the losing streak.

1584
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what someone's got to step up leadership.

1585
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 6: It's like, hey, enough's enough, let's go practice. Are in

1586
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 6: a practice cleaner? Yes, the start a fighting practice?

1587
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 3: Do they have enough like, for lack of a better term,

1588
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 3: jerks on the team, you know, I mean that are

1589
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 3: those kind of guys JP.

1590
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 6: It's unfair for me to say I'm not around the

1591
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 6: team enough in the locker room and everything else to

1592
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:09,839
Speaker 6: understand the full culture.

1593
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 11: You probably have a better sense of that being an

1594
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 11: OPRAH locker rooms and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I haven't

1595
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 11: been to a practice since training camp. I don't know.

1596
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.

1597
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: Tom Coffin was a rigid task master, went too far

1598
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: probably at times.

1599
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 4: Is Doug Peterson the opposite of that? Is he too.

1600
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 4: Is there some happy medium in between the two of them.

1601
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 11: I don't know, Pete.

1602
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 5: I they look.

1603
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: They look like me, like they get fat and happy

1604
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: for one and that their fundamentals go out the window

1605
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: at times when they start when they start winning, it's

1606
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: almost like, Okay, we won where we've arrived. Now we

1607
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: don't need to do all the things that we did

1608
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: to get here. And that somewhat goes on to the

1609
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: head coach.

1610
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not going to comment on what Doug you know,

1611
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 6: how he talks to the team eam and kind of that,

1612
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 6: because we're not around it.

1613
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 11: I mean, JP's around it more than any of it.

1614
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm not even around that. You know, none of us are.

1615
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: Well no, but you okay, I wasn't in your team

1616
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: meetings and stuff, but I knew what Goughlin was doing.

1617
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 11: But didn't we have a And I'm not speaking to

1618
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 11: this team, but I'm going back to our team. We

1619
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 11: had a bunch of guys that had a little bit

1620
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 11: of an edged.

1621
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: Right there's are there edgy guys that's a better word.

1622
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, there's not a lot of edgy guys on

1623
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 4: this team.

1624
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 5: Like we even like we had got like to me

1625
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 5: like Logs was like in.

1626
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 11: Those earliers, he's a little bit of a jerk, you know, Yes.

1627
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: Yes he was.

1628
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 4: He was. He had an attitude, you.

1629
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 6: Know, so you know, and then you had the flip

1630
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 6: side of that, you had a veteran like Clyde Simmons

1631
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 6: who kind of you know, I mean, there was just

1632
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 6: you know, I don't I mean, then we had a

1633
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 6: good mix of young guys and well.

1634
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 2: And that's just it. There's not a real good mix,

1635
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: uh that around This team.

1636
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen was filled with those kind of guys, right,

1637
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,919
Speaker 3: I mean the edgy you want to edg you guys.

1638
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: That defense in seventeen had it in spades.

1639
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 4: But it also had a bunch of veterans on it too.

1640
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: That's right.

1641
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 3: But it didn't last long. It blew up because they

1642
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 3: were over the edge a lot in the second year.

1643
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: Well, and some of them were peaking, and then it

1644
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 2: went right off the ledge.

1645
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 6: I think also, it's hard for me to answer that

1646
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 6: question JP, because at the end of the day, there

1647
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 6: has to be some internal competitive drive.

1648
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 4: That like, right, I'm with you, I've alwasked you.

1649
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 11: That drives the individual.

1650
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: You just hate the losing, so much that the next

1651
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: week you show up, you're gonna do everything in your

1652
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: power and everything they want you to do to make

1653
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: sure and even more to make sure you win the

1654
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: next week. That's that's That's why I've always been a

1655
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: big believer in internal motivation. If I can't get myself

1656
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: to the point where I'm ready to play, then something's

1657
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: wrong with me. If I'm not going to do the

1658
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: extra work that week, something's wrong with me. And I

1659
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: think they've lost sight of that.

1660
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 4: I really do.

1661
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: I think when they got to eight and three, we

1662
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 2: saw it over their course in the last couple of

1663
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 2: years when they had a big win.

1664
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 4: Sometimes they come back and have a bad loss. That

1665
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 4: that to me speaks.

1666
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: That they don't put the work in, and all the

1667
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: busts in the secondary and the missteps on the run

1668
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: fits and everything else that just shows up not preparate,

1669
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 2: no preparation.

1670
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 5: Like I gainst me I'll speak to.

1671
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 6: I think losing Kirk hurt this team a lot offensively,

1672
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 6: because Kirk's that guy that's like he's not I'm not

1673
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 6: saying he's an edgy guy, but he has that call

1674
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 6: whenever I watch he has.

1675
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 11: An internal competitives. No doubt about it.

1676
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 6: But he also has that calming kind of influence, like

1677
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 6: everything's like gonna be alright, Like I was like like

1678
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 6: whenever i I've ember, like even earlier this season when

1679
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 6: they weren't playing like that a two game losing streak,

1680
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 6: Like Kirk with hockey, he's got that sense like all right,

1681
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 6: Like he's like, oh right, we'll be all right, like

1682
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 6: he had.

1683
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 2: That right but he and I'm going to say something

1684
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: here because I think Trevor Lawrence is a pros pro.

1685
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: I think he gets it in the way he thinks

1686
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: and talks after games.

1687
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 4: He's a pros pro.

1688
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 2: I think he needs more of an edge on the

1689
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: field in terms of he's tough as nails. Don't get

1690
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 2: me wrong. Him playing through all the stuff he played

1691
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: through is amazing. I'm talking about the Marino mentality on

1692
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 2: the field.

1693
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 4: That's what he needs.

1694
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 11: I'm gonna push back.

1695
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're wrong there, I'm gonna push back

1696
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 6: to the overall conversation we're having. Here's what also happens

1697
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 6: when maybe you're not as good as you think you are,

1698
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 6: and maybe the steams might not be that good. They're

1699
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 6: not very good at the lion scrimmage. And when that happens,

1700
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 6: you know you do as a player, as sometimes coaches everyone,

1701
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 6: you start looking for a reason why, well, we needed

1702
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 6: a spark, we needed this, or was this It might

1703
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 6: just be not talented enough.

1704
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 11: Be like, this is who you are.

1705
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 5: But like you go to the Cleveland game.

1706
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: Cleveland's a playoff team. They should have won that game.

1707
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: They had how many bus did they have that day?

1708
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 2: Wide open bus?

1709
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 4: That's that's bad, that's bad practicing, not putting your work in.

1710
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 11: But that's who you are, Bill Parcels, remember the famous

1711
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 11: Bill bart You are what you are, you are who

1712
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 11: you record, what your record says you are. Yeah, that's

1713
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 11: who this team is. It's a five hundred team. We're

1714
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 11: just Ober five hundred. They're seventeen games.

1715
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: It's got a couple more questions and at Hodari eleven.

1716
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't think Peter King will ever listen to Pete

1717
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: again when it comes to the Jags. Will there be

1718
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: an apology In the case of Mandavi Jan sent to

1719
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: him great show, what's you all the best?

1720
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 4: Why he can't make his own damn mind up? That's

1721
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 4: his problem. I mean, look, I'm the idiot that had

1722
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 4: him in the Super Bowl. I don't think you think

1723
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 4: Peter King put him in Super Bowl? Did he? Or

1724
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 4: did he.

1725
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: Follow didn't you talk him into like you.

1726
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 4: Were told him?

1727
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: Why I had him in the super Bowl because of

1728
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: the schedule and how I thought it would be an

1729
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: easy schedule, and.

1730
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 4: Lo and behold, the division was better than I thought

1731
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 4: it would be.

1732
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 11: Well, and the the.

1733
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: Pretty right, So yeah, look, bottom line is I overestimated

1734
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: a lot of things about this football team.

1735
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 6: Well, by the way, it doesn't get any easier next year,

1736
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 6: you got the same division now, and we gotta play

1737
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 6: the NFC North.

1738
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 11: You get the Lions, you got the Packers.

1739
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 4: Your Bears are going to be better. The Bears got better.

1740
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 11: He will probably have cousins back.

1741
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 4: Right, that's not any That's not an easy road either.

1742
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 4: In this year they had the n f C South.

1743
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 6: We then you're yeah, and then you're gonna play a

1744
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 6: second place schedule because you're second in the division.

1745
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 11: So you're gonna have you'll have who you have. You

1746
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 11: have the.

1747
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 6: Raiders, I think you'll have the you'll have the Dolphins,

1748
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 6: and you'll have the Browns.

1749
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: It's it's not gonna be easy, and they're not and right,

1750
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 2: now because I know this is our last show of

1751
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: the year.

1752
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 4: On the paper, They're not gonna be better than they

1753
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 4: were this year.

1754
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: My opinion Mike Deroko, by the way, had yesterday. The

1755
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: twenty four opponents are set at home Texans, Colts, Titans, Patriots, Jets, Packers, Vikings, Browns.

1756
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: Those are all the home.

1757
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 3: Games away Texans, Colts, Titans, and then the Bears, Lions, Dolphins, Raiders, Eagles,

1758
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:22,879
Speaker 3: and Bills.

1759
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 4: That's a brutal schedule.

1760
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might be drafted first next year twenty twenty five.

1761
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: Oh boy, let's get one more question.

1762
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 11: We're gonna go to Vegas next year, baby.

1763
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right and not do anything excepup sitting in

1764
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: the hotel room at j Harchurch, G. Does Doug need

1765
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 3: to get back in the lab with this offense and

1766
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 3: how Trevor fits into it me personally?

1767
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 4: Yes, JP.

1768
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 11: What was the overall tone of Doug's press efference today?

1769
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 11: I didn't get it. So I was on the plane, you.

1770
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 5: Know he didn't.

1771
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.

1772
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 3: He was still with press Taylor, right, that was gonna be.

1773
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 3: He's not doing anything there.

1774
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: It sounds like they wanted him to get rid of

1775
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 2: press Taylor in Philadelphia, and he wouldn't get rid.

1776
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: Of it right. And then you know he was very cautious.

1777
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: I think he can say something about I saw something

1778
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: on Twitter about calling out the turnovers, almost like he

1779
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,520
Speaker 2: was blaming the quarterback.

1780
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he was like second in the league

1781
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: in turnovers or something, wasn't he.

1782
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: Josh Allen turns the ball over all the time. But

1783
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 4: you know what Josh Allen does. He they allow him

1784
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: to come out from underneath them.

1785
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 11: But I also he said something about the offensive line JP.

1786
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look at the thing.

1787
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: It was a thirty minute press conference.

1788
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's no no, I put you on

1789
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 6: the spot. I mean, listen, Doug's an offensive guy. He's

1790
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,839
Speaker 6: gonna get he's gonna get involved.

1791
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 11: I don't think he was not involved this year, by

1792
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 11: the way.

1793
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 6: I mean, he's the one calling the plays into the

1794
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 6: court back, he's on the sideline, he's the he's the

1795
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 6: coach in his ear.

1796
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 11: He's involved in the whole process. I don't blame it

1797
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 11: since around.

1798
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

1799
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,959
Speaker 2: I think he was involved in it more than he

1800
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 2: He leads on too, and which that's not good. By

1801
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: the way, because if that's the end result, then maybe

1802
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 2: they need to go get another guy to run the offense.

1803
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: He did going through the transcript here. Early he was

1804
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 3: talking about injuries and the left side of the offensive line,

1805
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 3: especially in the change there, and the continuity was more

1806
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 3: a lack of continuity was more of the issue than

1807
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 3: it was.

1808
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: But they never blamed the center. Never.

1809
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: They always say how he's a good player, good player,

1810
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: good player. Is he a good player?

1811
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 8: No?

1812
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 3: He actually talked about Fortner today though, he said, we

1813
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 3: ask a lot of Luke. He handles things extremely well.

1814
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: He's had to go against some pretty good tackles in

1815
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: serior alignement as well, and he's held up pretty well.

1816
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 3: Continue to work on strength and different things like that.

1817
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 3: But it's a good group of guys as you're talking

1818
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 3: about that bet whole draft class.

1819
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, real quick, Tony, I can fix

1820
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: this team real quickly on the offensive lines. Get get

1821
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: a Marcus Stroud and a John Henderson and a Michael

1822
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 2: Cheever in his prime.

1823
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 4: How about that? Would that work?

1824
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 11: Yep?

1825
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 3: Uh, we're back in a moment. Those are the fanatics,

1826
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 3: fan questions.

1827
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 11: I'm not gonna I mean, I don't want to, but

1828
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,879
Speaker 11: I disagree with Doug on that one.

1829
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 3: Back in a moment, final thoughts for the season ahead

1830
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 3: and get ready for a good time. Grab your hats

1831
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: while you're at at EverBank Stadium. Welcome's country music legend

1832
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,759
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1833
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,280
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1834
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,719
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1835
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: Welcome back.

1836
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 3: Final moments of Jaguars Happy Hour for the season presented

1837
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 3: by Mister Chubby's Wings from the Hyundai Studio at the

1838
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Miller Electric Center. Well I'm here, Pete Priscoe and Tony

1839
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,439
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1840
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,600
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1841
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,679
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1842
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,479
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1843
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,640
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1844
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,360
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1845
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: Well, now what I mean off seasons here? Now what

1846
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: you know, man?

1847
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:33,919
Speaker 2: This steaks Pete, Well, look it stinks because the obviously

1848
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: we've pointed to the reasons why it stinks, and now

1849
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: they have to go try and fix it. And that's

1850
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: the that's the roster building part.

1851
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 4: Of the job.

1852
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: You have to fix your mistakes. You have to get

1853
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 2: out from underneath them. You have to find replacements. You know,

1854
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: I just think that drafting God. Take a look at

1855
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 2: the Rams. Okay, look at the Rams. The Rams are

1856
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: going to have maybe the offensive rookie of the year

1857
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: in Poka, and probably should have the defensive rookie of

1858
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: the year in Kobe Turner. Kobe Turner was a third

1859
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 2: round pick. Puka Nakua was a fifth round pick. Okay,

1860
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: they drafted another defensive lineman, Young in the third round.

1861
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 2: He starts and I think he has seven sacks on

1862
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: the season. Good drafting teams fix their issues. Look where

1863
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 2: the Rams are right now? Aside from Aaron Donald, can

1864
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: you name five players on that defense? No, you go

1865
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: to the offensive side of the ball. Their offensive line

1866
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: was a missmash of guys this year. But you know

1867
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 2: what they played really well this year.

1868
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 11: That left tackle.

1869
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 4: Alaric jack Alaric Jackson.

1870
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 11: Where'd he come from?

1871
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 4: He's a good He was.

1872
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: An Iowa player. In fact, he was on my team

1873
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 2: when he came out that year. He was a guy

1874
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: I liked and he wasn't He was a backup on

1875
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 2: their roster. He played him ac guard a couple of times,

1876
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: and then they moved to the left tackle this year,

1877
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 2: and he's done a nice job, really nice.

1878
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 11: I saw we played someone right after that. Oh he

1879
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 11: played his Miles. I think the Rams play in Cleveland. Yes,

1880
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 11: he did a good job against Miles Garrett.

1881
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Okay, and the guy playing next to him is exactly

1882
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 2: what you want in Jacksonville, Steve Avila. You know that

1883
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: kid from TCO, big physical, power guard, left guard, the

1884
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 2: right guard note Boom plays over there. They have uh

1885
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 2: you know, Hanstein plays right tackle, big physical right tackle.

1886
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 4: I mean, and it works.

1887
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: They've drafted well, they and they tore that thing to shreds.

1888
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,839
Speaker 2: Remember they toured the shreds.

1889
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, they thought, I mean it was a big question.

1890
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 6: Remember going in the last offsea in is Stafford gonna

1891
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 6: want to stick around for a rebuild? Well that rebuild

1892
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 6: took exactly all of one off season.

1893
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: And you know the amazing thing about it, Before the season,

1894
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: I do my power ranks. Before the season, I go

1895
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 2: back and mock myself with my last group of power rankings.

1896
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 4: I had the Rams at thirty one.

1897
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 11: Wow.

1898
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Wow. And they're playing this weekend and.

1899
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 11: They'll give Detroit all they want.

1900
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into that. The playoff schedule this weekend

1901
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 3: and Super wild Card weekend, the NFL is calling it,

1902
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 3: and a pair of games on Saturday, the Browns the

1903
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 3: five seed visit the four seed Houston Texans. This would

1904
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 3: have been the Jaguars spot that's at four thirty. Then

1905
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 3: the sixth seed Dolphins and the three seed Chiefs that's

1906
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 3: at eight o'clock. Who do you like in those?

1907
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 4: I like the Browns.

1908
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: I think Joe Flacco in the playoffs is going to

1909
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: start playing like Joe Flacco did in the old time

1910
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: playoffs with the Ravens. And then the other game, the

1911
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs are Miami's just decimated by injuries on the defensive

1912
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 2: side of the ball. I think they might be the

1913
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 2: perfect tonic for what else. The Chiefs offense the problem

1914
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 2: is supposed to be zero.

1915
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think because of the weather and

1916
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 6: because of that Chiefs defense, and you know, the Dolphins

1917
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 6: have injuries on offense too. Now they might get waddle

1918
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 6: back and most are back this week, but right are

1919
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 6: they gonna one hundred percent Tyreek Hills beat up? And

1920
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 6: that Chiefs defense is really good. I think the Chiefs win.

1921
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 11: I like the Browns as well.

1922
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 3: All right, Sunday the seven seed Steelers against the two

1923
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 3: seed Bills in Orchard Park one o'clock kick, Packers Cowboys

1924
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 3: a seven to two game in the NFC at four thirty,

1925
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: and then the Rams Lions that you guys spoke of

1926
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 3: the six to three game is the eight o'clock games.

1927
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: That's a busy day.

1928
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,759
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh has no business being in the playoffs.

1929
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin has done one of his best coaching jobs

1930
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 2: of all time.

1931
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 4: That team's bad. Across Miles Jack is making plays at

1932
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 4: linebacker for me.

1933
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 11: He retire, I'll be in Buffalo.

1934
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 6: I'm doing that game. Actually, I got to book my

1935
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 6: flights today, so I'll be in Buffalo. I think the

1936
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 6: Bills win that. I think the count I mean the Packers.

1937
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 6: Give the Packers credit. They got a quarterback again. Jordan

1938
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 6: Love can play.

1939
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 5: Yes, he can.

1940
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 4: I thought he could play.

1941
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 2: That was one of my I picked the Packers to

1942
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 2: go to the postseason and all the pressures on Mike

1943
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 2: McCarthy and Dak Prescott in that game.

1944
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 4: Go in there and go let it ripe.

1945
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 6: And then I think the Lions win. I think they

1946
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 6: get physical and I think.

1947
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 2: I worry about their defense a little bit. I worry

1948
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: about you got a bit, Tony. The way this season

1949
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: is gone, We're gonna see a team get come from

1950
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: nowhere and get hot and win. So you got to

1951
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: figure out which one is. Who's it going to be?

1952
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 2: It has to be one of those teams.

1953
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 11: I just can't pick against my boy Brunell. So that's

1954
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 11: why I'm picking.

1955
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 4: I know you can't.

1956
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 3: And then Monday Night the Eagles and the Bucks in Tampa,

1957
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 3: Monday Night football in the playoffs, Hire the Cannons at

1958
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Raymond James for the Eagles.

1959
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: In the Bucks, I wasn't eight o'clock kick.

1960
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 4: You really were prepared for that, Jacobs.

1961
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I didn't expect the music to come on.

1962
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 11: There's my upset of the weekend. I think the Bucks

1963
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 11: meet the Eagles.

1964
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 2: I think they did beat the Eagles as well. I

1965
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 2: think the Eagles are a mess. How how quickly you

1966
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 2: go from there to there? And they were the number

1967
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 2: one seed at one point, cruising along and he's never

1968
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 2: played really that.

1969
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 4: That well though, even leading up to that, you have it.

1970
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 3: Hey, a couple of minutes left here, guys, there's been

1971
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 3: a pleasure doing this program again. Each and every Monday

1972
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 3: with you and hearing your guys takes on the Jaguars

1973
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 3: in the league as a whole. And here we are

1974
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 3: another season in the books.

1975
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope the next time we're on the air,

1976
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 2: Fred Taylor's in the Hall of Fame.

1977
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: Ah.

1978
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm hoping, man. I mean I think he, guys,

1979
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 6: I think he has a real chance, Pete, because I've

1980
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 6: always thought once he gets in the room, then you

1981
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 6: have to discuss what he really did and who he was.

1982
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 6: Only guy over eleven thousand and five of yards not

1983
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame, third highest rushing per attempt

1984
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 6: in the history of this league.

1985
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 2: And the only in one of only three guys with

1986
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred rushing yards were averaged four point six

1987
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: per carry.

1988
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 11: And he is not.

1989
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 6: There's very few players who've ever played the game that

1990
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 6: could do what he could do from a power and

1991
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 6: speed and elusiveness.

1992
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,839
Speaker 11: There's like he. To me, he's a Hall of Famer.

1993
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 11: I'm pulling hard for him me.

1994
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 4: Too, And I've I've sent out a letter.

1995
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: I said, yes, I promised you guys, I wouldn't be

1996
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 2: coming after after Tony Biselli, but I lied.

1997
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 11: So I'm up pulling for Freddy t me too.

1998
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was this was a year.

1999
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 11: Weird year.

2000
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 6: This is the least amount of Mondays we've ever done

2001
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 6: because we had Christmas and New Year's off.

2002
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 11: So yeah, we.

2003
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Weren't able to get to really blast them as they

2004
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 2: went down the toilet.

2005
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 3: No, we we'll just have to watch Twitter to do that.

2006
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,879
Speaker 11: I guess I'm expecting we were going to be doing playoffs.

2007
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 11: That didn't work out either.

2008
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 6: So great year, JP, awesome job as usual hosting and

2009
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 6: putting up with Pete and I and all the guys

2010
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 6: in the back.

2011
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 11: Just what a great year.

2012
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 3: It was awesome one year though, Actually say let's go

2013
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: this year around Tony pe JP, Happy New Year.