WEBVTT - Ep. 35: Last Stretch Before the Bye Week | Jags A.M. Podcast 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.599 Welcome to jag XAM. On this Wednesday, we're presented by 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.840 Jet Home Loans and we're here in the Hyundai studios 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.320 and guys, it feels a little weird, like we got 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:24.799 to get back into the swing of things because we 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.720 had that little mini bye week and now we're back 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:28.320 on schedule. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.480 Well then you get the bye week next week, so 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.599 you'll be off schedule again. It'll do the Maxi violet. Yeah, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.479 right there. It'll be a couple of weeks. It'll be 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:36.879 a couple of weeks before we're back in there. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.800 Not too bad, all right, Let's look ahead to this 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.120 week and kind of what the team has been dealing with. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.760 Our first big thing is R and R because as 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.320 we've mentioned, this team played four games in nineteen days. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.400 Of course, two of those were in London, played here, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.559 played in New Orleans on Thursday night football, so they 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.839 really went through the gauntlet there and now it is 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.360 a bit of a rescreery. They had a bit of 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.280 a short bye week because they had the weekend off, 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.360 and then after they get through this Steelers game, they 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.200 will have thee So how do you kind of remain focused, 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.720 Brian and use the rest time but not get out 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.640 of sync because you need to still be ready when 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:07.319 you take companies. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.640 Yeah, and Doug did a good job obviously because they 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.440 won through that whole nineteen day stretch, but getting guys 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.120 off their feet, getting them home early, giving them more 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.479 mental reps. They talked about more time with the iPad, 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.480 watching tape, you know, digesting the game plan. I think 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.560 on the bye week it's about getting rid of it 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.920 all right, flushing and then coming back in, as we said, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.360 renewed right, feeling revived. And I think for a lot 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.400 of guys, having three days after those nineteen that were 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.720 so rigorous is going to give them a little pep 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.440 in their steps, kind of like when you open because 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.920 I know you have a dog when you open the 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.120 door and it's that first bit of fall air that 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.880 hits them right, it's sixty five instead of eighty five, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.840 and they go running outside. It's kind of like that. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.800 Yeah, I don't think it'll be hard this week because 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.040 I think they practiced on Monday. Then you have your 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.000 normal Tuesday, and so when you come back in this Wednesday, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.120 I think it feels normal. And I do think there's 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.120 the incentive, and I think these coaches and Doug in 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.600 particular do a good job of making sure they understand situations. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.560 So I think once they get back in today, I 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.480 do think it'll be that that revived get back to 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.560 it after the bye week. I've never really been around 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.040 a team that has a problem coming back from a buy. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.480 There's somethings that are better than others, but I've never 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.240 really since the lack of focus. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.320 Coming off of it. I think they're used to that. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.799 By that well, and it could help that. You know, 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.359 a couple of days off gives you a chance to 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.360 get a couple of guys back, right, I mean he 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.440 said Walker Little and Say Jones were likely to practice 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.640 this week. That's really good. And Devon Hamilton's not far away. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.040 He may not be ready until after the bye, but 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.040 you're getting some guys back because of the extra time AFT. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.919 And this goes into what Doug was talking about when 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.120 he was kind of going for the schedule. He wanted 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.840 the bye later in the year because that's when guys 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.760 get banged up and it benefits you more rather than 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.160 getting it right after coming back from London. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.840 Yeah, I think he would love to have had it 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.520 maybe a couple of weeks later with this many buy 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.680 because this does make it feel starts off. Yeah, it 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.040 will and a long time with only a couple of games. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.359 But he got part of it. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:09.959 What do you got? 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.320 Yeah? Our second big thing is going to be rivalry renewed, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.360 because when you go up against these old AFC teams, 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.239 you always have some good games in the mix. And 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.239 I'm going to turn to you, guys, because you're my historians. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.919 So tell me about some of those good Jaguars and 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.320 Steelers matchups from the past. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.640 Well, I'll give you one, and I think people may 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:30.200 have forgotten this. In nineteen ninety seven, the Jaguars won 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.400 when Clyde Simmons blocked Norm Johnson field goal a tip 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.560 in the first ever Monday night football game for the Jaguars, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.000 and it was here blocks at Chris Hudson takes it 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.880 back right, So the game ends on the final play. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.320 About six weeks later, we're in Pittsburgh. It's cold, it's dark. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.960 The game goes to overtime, and the state the name 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.000 goes silent at the Old three Rivers as the coin 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.880 is tossed and the Jaguars call tails and the referee 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.320 says it is heads, and the place erupts. It just shook, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.000 you could feel it, and the Steelers won on shovel pass. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.760 Did Jerome Battis to win on the final play of 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.320 the game. And it's the first time, the best of 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.400 my knowledge, and the last time that are two game series, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.280 So it had to be a divisional where both games 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.600 ended on the final play. It was epic. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:19.600 Yeah. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.040 And then the one that I wasn't here for seven 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.679 the Jags to go to Pittsburgh beat the Steelers twice. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.960 They do it again in seventeen. The Jaguars have timed 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.000 playing the Steelers up there well, if that makes any sense. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.080 They've been good in a lot of years where they've 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:40.880 gone up there and played I think their records seven 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.200 and two up there since and one. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.520 Yeah, they haven't lost there in twenty years. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.360 Which in order for the Jaguars had that kind of 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.600 record over a twenty year period, they have to hit 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.880 timing right, because you weren't going up there a lot 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.200 of years and winning that. So, you know, and he 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.560 will talk about, well the Jaguars have the Steelers number. Well, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.680 I think when the Jaguars are good, they do, and 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.880 I think they're good this year. I think it's a 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.200 good matchup for the Jags. But I think the Steelers 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.200 are very, very dangerous because they believe in themselves. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.479 I take that back. They lost there in twenty and eleven. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.360 Here's the why the Jaguars always kind of seem to 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.840 have their number, because the Steelers were the standards when 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.360 the Jaguars started as an expansion team, and Tom Kaughlin 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.680 built his team to compete with Pittsburgh, and then Jack 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.040 del Rio came in and the Steelers had a young 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.599 quarterback and Ben Roethlisberger, so he built his team to 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.320 compete with them. When the Jaguars were in the old 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:34.320 AFC South and even into the I'm sorry, the old 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.479 AFC Central, and even into the AFC South, they were 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.520 always targeting Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh's the standard of excellence in 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.200 this league. Were one of the standards of excellency in 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.000 this league, and so there have been some epic games. Mean, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.640 that's a fourth down play right there that David Garrard 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.560 gets free and sets up a game winning field goal 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.880 in the playoffs. That's the wildcard playoff game in two 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.920 thousand and seven. So go be wins it here. So 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.280 this rivalry is dead even right, the Jaguars owned both 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.360 playoff victories and I'm in I can go point game 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.320 by game by him. The jaguars first home win was 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.720 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here it was epic. I mean, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.040 it's just it's been a great rivalry. And what people 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.880 don't realize is that the Rooneys would have loved to 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.520 have been able to bring the Jaguars into the AFC North, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.720 but they couldn't. They needed the Browns, right because that's 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.800 a rivalry, and the Browns needed the Bengals because that's 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.320 a rivalry, and everyone one of the Ravens. It just 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.920 didn't work. But the Rooney family has always been a 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.719 strong proponent of the Jaguars, a really strong proponent of 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.039 the Jaguars and the Weavers and the Rooney's had a 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.080 really nice relationship and that's part of the rivalry that 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.200 people don't see. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.159 It's pretty cool. Hopefully another iteration of it this time 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.520 around in this matchup, we do want to talk about 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.640 our final big thing, which is who are you. We've 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.440 talked a ton about identity when it comes to the Jaguars, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.760 about what kind of team they're supposed to be, and 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.280 we don't quite know yet Steelers, you could probably say 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.600 the same for them. Coach Mike tom when we asked 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.800 about that yesterday, and he had a pretty interesting answer. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.679 I think in twenty twenty three, when you're talking about 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:12.000 team identity, you are talking more intangible quality things, a grit, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:17.080 a mindset, the approach in which you you you take 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:21.040 the circumstances. Are you a calculated risk taking group. Are 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.600 you a fundamentalist group? Are you a small menu group? 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.280 Those are the things that really kind of comprise identity today. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.240 If you start talking about we're a running group, then 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.160 people are gonna show up in goal line defense and 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.760 open field on you. And so it doesn't behoove you 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.920 to marry yourself to an identity. All it does is 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.560 make the make this ledding more difficult. In twenty twenty three, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.040 there's so much specialization in today's game. It just is 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:52.120 the utilization of people in very specific places on offense 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.280 and defense. It makes it a matchup game, It makes 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.120 it a situational game. You can have an agenda in 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.400 which you desire, but they're things that people can do 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.840 to to push you off that agenda, regardless of what 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.880 your intentions are. In twenty twenty three. If people play 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.280 open grass, open grass goal line, then chances are you 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.080 gonna have a difficult time running the football, for example, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.600 And that's what uh the Rams were willing to do, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.680 for example, when they went Nickel five to one versus 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.480 three wide receiver sets, they were saying, by virtue of 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.480 the people that we have on the field, your run 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.320 game is gonna be difficult today if you choose to 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.120 do so. And so from time to time you gonna 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.760 choose to fight that fight. Sometimes you're not. Those are 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.720 distract strategic components of today's game, and that's why it 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.319 makes declaration of identity a a stupid endeavor at this junction. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.240 So, needless to say, Mike Tomlin not a huge fan 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.480 of declaring what kind of team you are, and he 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.040 has a point in the sense that nowadays you have 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.000 to be so versatile, right, so declaring yourself a running 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:56.880 team doesn't really serve you if the defense is gonna 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.679 come out completely shut you down on the run. So, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.559 John is just the nature of the twenty twenty three 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.480 game that everybody kind of has to have that little 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.319 hand in everything and really be specialized. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.680 It is, But I think Tomlin does first off, I 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.080 wish somebody had asked, Mike, I didn't get that, could 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:18.839 you repeat that? But I think what Tomlin does really 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:24.720 well is, even if he doesn't necessarily have a running based, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.280 dominant defensive team, which he really doesn't this year, he 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.880 makes those guys believe that they're good at those things, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.440 and he makes them believe that that's their identity. They're 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.199 a three four defense that runs a lot of two five. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.600 They're not a great run defense, but I guarantee you 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.680 when it's third and two, those guys believe they are, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.679 and they probably play well in those situations in big 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:49.520 moments like that. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.000 Same with running the ball. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.720 Pittsburgh fans are going to believe they're a running team 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.040 no matter what style they have. So I think he 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.000 has that as an identity. 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.400 A very good coach, which he is, knows you have 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:03.000 to be versatile. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.280 It's remarkable, you know, for fifty four years. He is 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.200 the third head coach since nineteen sixty nine, and the 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.520 Steelers have always been a dominant front right both sides 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.120 of the ball, run the ball, stop the run, and 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.600 they're not. I mean when you look at them, you 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.240 know their bottom five in run defense, bottom five and 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.960 run offense. So you say, what is this? I tell 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.920 you what they do do, which is what they've always done, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.480 is man, they beat you on defense with their skill 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.080 position players, with TJ. Watt, with Mika Fitzpatrick. They are 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.720 first in the league with fifteen forced fumbles. They are 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.400 in the top five with sacks with twenty nine, and 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.040 they are top five interceptions with ten. So they're four 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.040 and two. Not because they're that typical run the ball, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.800 stop the run Pittsburgh team, but because on defense they 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.160 make plays when they have to. And I think Mike 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.920 tom is just a remarkable story. He's been a terrific coach. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.000 He was young, he was slightly unknown when they hired him, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.240 and yet he has continued the tradition. And it's remarkable 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.319 also because you know, it's twenty twenty three and it's 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.520 the first time we're like, who are these guys? Because 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.280 the Steelers always had that identity. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.120 Well, I mean, it helps when you have a big 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.040 ben for a while that kind of like dictates in 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.320 the defense that they've had that was always are Dentge 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.920 just tough and gritty, and now we're kind of seeing 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.719 where they're going. And Kenny Pickett's a little bit of 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.640 an anomaly so far, at least from what I've seen 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.440 him this season, John, have you seen much of Kenny 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.400 Pickett or kind of seeing what he might be. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.840 I haven't been from talking to people up there. What 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.280 makes this team dangerous is they're so good in the 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:40.640 second half and well and even you know the Jaywars 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.839 aren't coming back in games this year, but they're playing 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:43.160 well in. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.520 The fourth quarter to get out of games. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.160 And both these teams are what gets you good in 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.640 the NFL, which is they make the big plays at 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.160 the big times. So Kenny Pickett has been average at 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.360 best in the first half, he's been off the charts 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.800 good in the second half. And when you're playing on 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.120 the road, and when you mean the Jaguars going up 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.160 there against a team that believes it plays well at home, 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.400 I anticipate the Jaguars probably being up at halftime and 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.400 the Steelers making a game of it because they believe 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:16.040 they will well. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.679 And whatever you think of Canny pick Itt, when TJ. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.800 Watt intercepts the ball in the first series of the 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.280 third quarter and puts it first in goal for you, well, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.560 that helps you be good in the second half. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.560 Sure have to help there, all right, stay with us, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:28.920 We're going to come back here a little bit more 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.560 from Mike Tomlin about what he's seen from the Jaguars 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:40.520 and what he's expecting in this mapup. Jags fans, if 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.199 you want sorry, excuse me. For ten years, dream Fenders 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.600 Holmes has been proud to call themselves the official home 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.680 builder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Does it dreamfendersomes dot Com 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.200 for all of the available inventory and go Jags. Welcome 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.559 back to Jags Am talking Steelers because that's the team 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.200 they're playing this week and should be a good one. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.120 There's a history of good games. Mike Tomlin. I listened 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.040 to his whole press conference yesterday. I just find him 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.400 so I don't know, an entertaining, He's not the right word. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.560 It's just very interesting to hear the way he kind 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.600 of thinks about the game and talks about the game, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.120 and just how he shared his scouting of the Jaguars 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.280 already every you know, naming every single player and who 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.560 he was looking at, but particularly he singled out Trayvon 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.080 Walker as someone that they're looking at on defense. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.520 First man, we got to do a really good job 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.120 of managing their bigs. They've invested a lot in their bigs. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.560 They got former first rounders, first overall picks in that group. Uh, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.680 the edge guys really capture your attention. Josh Allen and 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.880 Walker in particular, as a tandem, wrink a lot of havoc. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.800 I think Josh Allen's got seven sacks. I think oftentimes 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.200 sacks don't represent the havoc that Walker uh causes. I 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.080 felt that way in a in an analysis of him 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.480 leading up to the draft. He's just the type of 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.760 guy that wrecks a lot of things. He plays at 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.719 a with a with a violent style of play. He 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.360 just he's a wrecking ball. And so we just got 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.080 to be really cognizant of their group and the in 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.160 the wave that they provide, the challenges that that that 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.439 come with managing their front. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:23.080 It's calling Trayvon a wrecking ball, you John, I know, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.960 I want to hear John. It's just interesting because I 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.200 know we're so tough on Trayvon about not having sack numbers, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.840 but just the role he plays in the run and 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.240 other coaches the way they see him setting up the 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:34.680 dynamic for Josh. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.880 Yeah, and it's not just against the run. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.560 He's so much better against the past if you were 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.320 give him credit for because he collapses the pocket and 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.120 he makes it very difficult for the quarterback to stand in. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:45.720 On his side. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.680 He's not a sack guy out of its vindication, because look, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.960 the reality is, if people continue to say where are 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.360 the sacks about Trayvon Walker, They're continue to get They're 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.960 going to continue to continue to say, well, he's not 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.560 worth the pick whatever all that stuff is. I was 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.720 kind of go aad Mike said it because I hadn't 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.680 thought of the wrecking ball. Yeah, analogy, and that's really 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:15.280 a good analogy with him. He disrupts so much and 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.120 makes it so difficult to go to his side of 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:25.320 the field that it's almost like when a defensive back 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.720 can take away a of the field. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.440 What it is is, it's the offensive line of scrimmage 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.520 is two yards behind the original line of scrimmage on 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.600 his side of the field. He's constantly got the end 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.120 and the tackle pushed backwards, so you're having to loop 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.920 behind them to get the running game going. And you're right, 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.560 forget the Sacksfridge a second, and look what he does 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.680 to the pocket. Go on NFL Plus and watch the 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.200 all twenty two replay and all you see is him 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.280 near the quarterback. And it's different than Calebon Jason, who's 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.800 consistently been near the quarterback but never made the play. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.240 This guy allows other people to make the play and 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.520 willed Von him Wilton comes back. That's really gonna be interesting. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.880 And again, I don't know what the endgame comparison with 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.240 Aiden Hutchinson and all that. I don't know how many 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.560 sacks he's gonna get. What I continue to say about 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:18.720 Trayvon is if you're a Jaguars fan, you don't want 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.800 to watch them play defense without him right now because 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.360 he is so stout and so dominant on his side 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.440 of the ball. And I'm not saying there's never a 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 play where it doesn't go right over there, but for 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.240 the most part their fourth in the league and run 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.960 defense and they're like the top three or top five, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.520 and pressures and knockdowns and all that stuff. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.000 He's a big reason for that. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.880 He's not an edge rusher though he plays on the edge. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.000 He's an edge crusher because he takes that end and 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.480 drives it in and back. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.360 The chance to see a rusher and crusher feel free 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:54.800 to use it. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:56.320 That's good. I like that. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.800 All right, let's see what Mike Tomlin has to say 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.000 about what he's seemed from Trevor Lawrence so far. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.440 But I see a guy that that has first overall 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.520 type talent. He can make any throw on the field, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.360 both from an arm strength and touch perspective. He has 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.800 unique mobility in terms of his athleticism, and I think 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.159 that that talent set makes him a extreme challenge. And 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.879 I would imagine with experience, because of that talent set, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.200 he's gonna be increasingly more difficult to. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.040 Deal with, like kind of singling out obviously his arm strength, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.240 but what he's been able to do in terms of mobility, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.240 because we've been seeing a lot of mobile Trevor recently. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.160 Even with a bum knee, he's out there running around 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.359 leading rusher for the team. So it's kind of interesting 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:42.920 to see. I mean, not that they didn't respect he 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.640 could run a little bit, but now it's being brought 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:46.439 up by other coaches. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.840 You know. I was reading something this morning on the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.120 athletic website and the writer said that Trevor Lawrence was competent, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.119 and I thought, what a rotten choice of words. I mean, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.840 all you see is is adequacy or competency. I mean 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.760 both of those things and so much more. He's making 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.359 a few throws a game that most quarterbacks don't or 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.639 can't make, and then last week to run and be 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.000 the leading rusher in a game in which you didn't 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.840 expect him to be very mobile. He is much more 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.040 than just competent. And I wonder why people don't see 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.439 him rising. And maybe if they question the Jaguars and 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.000 how good they are, but Trevor Lawrence is the reason 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.080 on offense why they're good. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.679 Well, people who analyze the NFL from a thirty thousand 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.280 foot view, they can't watch every game. Yeah, so they 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.359 can't see every throw that we see him making. So 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.919 they look at the stats and his touchdowns are what 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.159 eight or nine touchdowns? That was pointed out to me 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.160 this week, and I didn't know because they didn't care. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.320 I guess what I care about is he's quarterbacking a 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.480 team that's won four straight. He's quarterbacking a team that's 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.959 won ten of twelve over the course of two years. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.160 I see him playing smart. I see him running when 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.639 it benefits him to run and when it benefits the 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.520 offense to run. He's not necessarily run for one hundred yards. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.960 But boy, doesn't it feel over the last four games 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.040 when he's taken off and run, doesn't it feel like 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.359 they've been big moments that have gotten you big first 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.280 downs Against the Saints. I think it was twice that 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.840 he flipped the field where you didn't feel like they 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:26.320 had momentum. This play here, good call, Brent Reever. That 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.480 play flipped the field, gave them momentum. Mean you feel 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:29.560 like they were going to score when they. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.920 Needed to score. So he's doing smart things. 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.560 He's not piling up stats, but they've been up in 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.240 the second half of four straight games. You don't necessarily 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.560 need your quarterback to throw for three hundred and ninety 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.240 yards in that situation you needed to win the game. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.920 So I is he elite yet I don't know what 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:46.560 all that means. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:48.280