1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio, you. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: Were talking about the possibility that there will be pushback 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: from the government no matter what gets revealed. Say, someone 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: will say it's all a syop of some sort, it's 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: a cover story for spyplanes or counterintelligence or diversions from 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: legitimate programs that want to confuse our adversaries in the public. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: And there will be people in UFO world who come 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: forward and say that right that they'll. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: Go alonger there will. But you know, there's a bottom 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: line in that it had a purpose and the structure. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 3: What basically happened was in nineteen forty, once the bombs started, 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 3: the atomic bombs started being exploded. They you know, as 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 3: far as I know, these beings have a lot of 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: experience with not just with Earth, but this in universe 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: is immense, and they probably are aware of many planets 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: in which there are young species struggling to survive, which 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: is basically our situation. And when they saw that we 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: were beginning to attack each other with atomic weapons, they 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: grew alarmed and thought they might not survive, and they 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 3: began to try to warn us. In the first warnings 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: came in nineteen forty six when they shot down a 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: V two rocket that was being tested at White Sands, 23 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: a German missile that was being tested at White Sands. 24 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: Because they'd already put two and two together, they knew 25 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: that the atomic bombs that were large bomb ungainly objects 26 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: in the bombbays of of the bombers at Roswell would 27 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: soon be much smaller and end up in the nose 28 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: cones of missiles like that. And they can't they don't 29 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: have vocal cords, they cannot speak, and we can't hear telepathy. 30 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: It took me a long time to get into a 31 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: state where I can usefully engage in telepi telepathy. With it, 32 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: I can actually engage with this. It's not easy even now. 33 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: But in any case, our military couldn't hear them in 34 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: any way. We were broadcasting radio. They'd even had it. 35 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: They were trying to reach us telepathically and it wasn't working. 36 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: The result is they tried to demonstrate. They gave us 37 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: a donation at Roswell of this craft that crashed with 38 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: bodies in it. General Arthur Exten told members of my 39 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: family that he held one of these bodies in his arms. 40 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: He said it was like a big insect. My uncle, 41 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: one of my uncles, was at right Air Materiel when 42 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: the debris was brought in, and he told me only 43 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: a little bit about it, but he presumably studied it 44 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: because he was then a detail to the Atomic Energy Commission, 45 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: and this entire project went to the Atomic Energy Commission 46 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: in the late forties, so you know, presumably he worked 47 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: on for his whole career. But he was very close mouthed. 48 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: He didn't say much. He did talk to me, and 49 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: General Xen talked to me after I published Community, And 50 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: that's why I can even bring them up in any case. 51 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: They have been attempting to basically to help us, and 52 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,559 Speaker 3: it's they're not They're tough and they are very determined. 53 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: And to give you an example, the abductions had two purposes. First, 54 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: it was to collect, and not just from human beings, 55 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: but from animals and plants as well, a record of 56 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: the light of the of the of the beings on 57 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: this planet, of the species here in case this planet 58 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: becomes unviable, as it would if we had a generalized 59 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: nuclear exchange. And I'm sure they've seen that happen in 60 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: the in the universe before otherwise they wouldn't be, so 61 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: I'm certain of it. They then also, and I think 62 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: this was a mixed bag in terms of success. There 63 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: may be if there may have been some successes I 64 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: don't know about, but I do know about some semi successes. 65 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: They hybridized, They created beings that look like us, that 66 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: are human essentially, but which have telepathic abilities so they 67 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: can communicate with the visitors. Unfortunately, they are not voiced. 68 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: They can't speak. So I say it's a mixed bag. 69 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: They can live here and they can walk among us, 70 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: but they can't talk. And if they can't talk, they 71 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: can't really function in human society, can they. So you 72 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: know they got a problem. They live I presume in 73 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: little end plaves by themselves. I don't know how many 74 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 3: there are. There couldn't be too many in the world. 75 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: My wife Anne and I engaged and encountered one that 76 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: lived in the woods behind our house for a while, 77 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: and when we had the house in upstate New York, 78 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: and to our amazement, followed us to Texas when we 79 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: moved to a condo in San Antonio, where the town 80 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: I was born in, and he would stand in the 81 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: night outside the condo right outside our bedroom and you 82 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: and try to engage with me telepathically, and I couldn't 83 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: handle it, and I eventually succeeded in driving him off. 84 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: But I mean, boy, he was the poor guy was 85 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: in trouble. He was not. 86 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: He was not. 87 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: A whole person. And in the fourth mind, I go 88 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: into in detail exactly what his genetic problems were. I 89 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: have identified the genetic defect that caused him to be 90 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: like he is, and the other hybrids. I've met some 91 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: other hybrids now too, and some people who work with them, 92 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: because there are people who are not hybrids who work 93 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: with them and are not connected as far as I 94 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: know to the Defense Department, that they could be in 95 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: any case. That those are the two primary reasons for 96 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: the abductions. One is to collect a fail safe if 97 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: we lose if the planet, if we go extinct, And 98 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: two is to try, and I think not completely successfully, 99 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: create a bridge species between the two of us. They 100 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: do not want to replace us at all. They want 101 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: us to thrive here, and they're trying their best in 102 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: their own way. They're very tough, they don't have things 103 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: like they're not sentimental. And if you in the fourth mind, 104 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: I go into exactly the ways in which they are 105 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: machines and the ways in which they are biology. And 106 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: they were mixed bag like the bodies that I discussed 107 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: in detail that were at one point Fort Detrick in Maryland, 108 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: don't have reproductive organs. Therefore they are biological machines. They 109 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: can't be. They had to have been built. I am 110 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: aware of the fact that there are some of them 111 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: that do reproduce, and that so they're not all machines. 112 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: And you know, people talk about a hive mind, but 113 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: that is not the case they have, and I think 114 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: this is even true of the little non uh reproducing ones. 115 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: They have very subtle minds, very big minds, and they 116 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: are a they each each they have personalities, they're various personalities. 117 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: I don't think their personalities are as deep and complex 118 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: as ours. And they are all basically connected to the 119 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: same larger consciousness they have. In other words, they have 120 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 3: individual personalities with a group mind, and that makes them 121 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: very different from us. And it also when you learn 122 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: enough about how to be with them, you find that 123 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: you know, they present a very fierce face to the world, 124 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: but inside that consciousness there's an extraordinary sense of peace, 125 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: and they really love each other very much. And so 126 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: you know, when I hear things like Jake talks about 127 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: Jake Barbera talks about, they would shoot them down and 128 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: they call them meat puppets, and things come on, it's 129 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: not what they were. You're calling you something a meat 130 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: puppet that has a brain, that has four lobes instead 131 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: of three, and there's twenty percent larger than our brains. Somehow, 132 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: that doesn't strike me as a meat puppet. They don't 133 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 3: have the same relationship to death that we do. They 134 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: can come and go in their bodies. I have seen 135 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: their bodies rise up out of a drawer like dead 136 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,479 Speaker 3: bodies come to life because they were being insold their devices. 137 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: The ships are themselves in sold at times. There's a 138 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: wonderful book called UFO Sky Pilots that I'll remember the 139 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: name that I've getten too old to remember the names 140 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: of anybody, but I remember a lot else. In any case, 141 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: It's a book where all kinds of stories are gathered 142 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: from close encounter. Witness have own UFOs, and they all 143 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: say the same thing. You touch something and various people 144 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: at various different control surfaces, and your soul goes into 145 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: the body of the machine. Now fast forward to Jake 146 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: Barber's interview with Ross. He describes an experience where he 147 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: is moving a machine and something comes out of the 148 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: machine and possesses him. Something leaves the leaves the body 149 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: of the machine like a soul and comes and comes 150 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: into him. And he was found it beautiful and a feminine, gentle, 151 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: feminine presence that had a certain sadness to it. But 152 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: what he didn't understand was it was actually their version 153 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 3: of a weapon. It was trying to tame him and 154 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: to engage him as of it was trying to say, 155 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: we're friends, you don't need to shoot at us, basically, 156 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: and it's still with him, it's become part of his life. 157 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: And this is this These operators, these tough guys who 158 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: are out there on the front lines dealing with this. 159 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: More than one of them will come forward and say 160 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: something like that happened to them. But behind it all, 161 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: there is another deeper thing, and this is my wife, 162 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 3: Anne was you know, when I met her, we were 163 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: just a couple of kids. There was nothing unusual about 164 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: Anne or me for that matter, either one of us. 165 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 3: In my opinion, we were just two kids in New 166 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: York who met through dating service big deal and turned 167 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: out to be a damn genius of the first order. 168 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have ever published a book if it hadn't 169 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: been for Anne, because Anne was my editor and she 170 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: was very good at it. Then, when Communion comes along, 171 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: Anne understands it deeply from just the beginning. I finally 172 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: when I told Anne, I said to Anne, I finally 173 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: faced it, and I thought to myself, I've got to 174 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: tell an How do I tell her? I got to 175 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: take it a board a flying saucer by little men. 176 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: I told my friend Timothy Greenfield Saunders, his dear friend 177 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: to this day, about it. He said, God, just tell her. 178 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: She'll she'll pick up on it. So I tell her 179 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: and she says, oh, thank God. I thought you were 180 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: going crazy. And from then on and she ruled the rouse. 181 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: She figured it out. I was gonna call the book 182 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: body terror. She says, no, you call it communion because 183 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: that's what it's about. And that is still what it's about. 184 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: It is about more than standing face to face in 185 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: contact with people from another world. It is about joining 186 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: each other in a new way. In the second half 187 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: of the fourth Mind outlines exactly how that will go 188 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: down and it's gonna happen. It is not bad, It 189 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: is not scary. Well, it's gonna be a little scary, 190 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: but scary for me and I would guess it'll be 191 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: scary for everybody because you know, it's a new way 192 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: of being alive, it's a new way of experiencing life. 193 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: But I think we can do it. I don't think 194 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: they'd be here. I don't think they'd spend a second 195 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: on us if they didn't think we could do it. 196 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: You know, I you know, you've heard the stories over 197 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: the years that they're here because they need something from us. 198 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they sure do it. 199 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: But I was I think it's also interesting that to 200 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: consider whether they're here also to help us, and that 201 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: they know what's coming and we're going to need we're 202 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: going to need to change in order to survive whatever 203 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: is next. 204 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: We need help, and so do they, and we can. 205 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: We can, we can be stronger together. That's basically what 206 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: it's about. And they've been here for a long time. 207 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: It's nothing new. It's just that now things have reached 208 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: this critical point. Our population has exploded, we're loaded up 209 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: with atronic bombs, and you know, if they're if if 210 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: if they're gonna engage with us and get what they 211 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: would like to get from us. Now is the time. 212 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: Otherwise it ain't gonna happen because we're not going to 213 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: be here. 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