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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump says JD. Vans can be weird because

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Speaker 2: great show for you today. Status Snews. Oliver Darcy steps

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Speaker 2: Enna Prita Das about their new book, Billionaire Nerd Savior,

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Speaker 2: King Bill Gates and his quest to shape our world thought. First,

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Speaker 2: we have the host of the Enemy's List, the Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Project's own Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Rick Wilson, Mollie Jong Fast.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about this weird weekend we're in now?

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Speaker 1: It is officially the start of the political season for

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Speaker 1: anyone paying attention.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry. The political season started for me in

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen and it hasn't ended. Sadly.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because it's like you saw that, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, what is traditionally the start of the

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Speaker 4: Have you met social media?

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Speaker 1: So first, let's do two seconds on the mainstream media

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Speaker 1: of which.

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Speaker 3: We are a part.

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Speaker 4: We are we are.

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Speaker 3: Print media failing to meet the moment.

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Speaker 4: This is not the first time anyone said this, not

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Speaker 4: the first time you've said it or I've said it.

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Speaker 4: But every time a story is written where they righte

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Speaker 4: aheadline that says Harrison Trump plans for housing both face

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Speaker 4: challenges and Harris has like a plan, and Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: says things like I like houses, fancy the Betner, And

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Speaker 4: they treat them like the same thing. They treat them

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Speaker 4: like they're the same identical moment, and it's just not.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, I don't know if you're seeing this. I

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Speaker 4: feel like there's like a rising tide in a lot

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Speaker 4: of the mainstream media of like, fuck you stop criticizing us. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I kind of sense that's out there right now. You're

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Speaker 4: not professional journalists. We'll tell you how we cover Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: even though it's been working out so well since.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I was struck by was

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Speaker 1: how much mainstream media, for whatever reason, can't get out

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Speaker 1: of it, like this guy is an autocrat. He says

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Speaker 1: he's an autocrat. Everyone who covers him for a million

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Speaker 1: years agrees he's an autocrat. He has said he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a dictator. On day one when he says

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Speaker 1: he's kidding, he's not kidding. They're raising signs that say

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Speaker 1: mass deportation. Now at the fucking convention. Why are we

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Speaker 1: behaving like any of this is normal.

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Speaker 4: You got a guy in Florida running for office, Republican

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Speaker 4: running for office, who is saying, the minute we're in Congress,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get a bill to suspend habeas Corpus

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Speaker 4: to arrest not only the deep state, but the critics

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. These people are not kidding. These people

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Speaker 4: do not have any humor in them. This isn't some

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Speaker 4: sort of like wacky rhetorical flex. This is what they believe.

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Speaker 4: And if we treat Trump, I know, I've burned some

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Speaker 4: relationships with some of my reporter friends, but if you

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Speaker 4: keep treating Trump like he is a normal Republican candidate, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you are going to get more Trump. And you all

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Speaker 4: know this, And so I'm starting to have to presume

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Speaker 4: that a lot of them want more Trump. It bothers

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Speaker 4: the fuck out of me, Molly. It's like, what part

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Speaker 4: of this idea that you normalize Trump has worked out

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Speaker 4: for us? The part where we had a million people

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Speaker 4: normal president and do all the responsible things that a

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Speaker 4: guardrails will certainly keep Donald Trump from trying to steal

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Speaker 4: the election. He would never do such a thing. That's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, But I also wonder, like, this is the

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Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about this morning. First of all,

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Speaker 1: why don't people ask questions that are like, Okay, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Because they make things more expensive? So however lower inflation? Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get back to this

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Speaker 1: thinks about Donald Trump saying she's not black?

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Speaker 1: What I would have said was much meaner than what

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really a question. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of someone's racist slur? I think it's a racist.

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Speaker 4: Slur, right, Look, And a lot of what happened on

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Speaker 4: that interview. And again, I like Dana Bash. I like

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Speaker 4: but these are things that are produced. It's not just

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Speaker 4: my issue is that you don't just take insane talking

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Speaker 4: I do not hair reporters saying the Harris campaign says,

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Speaker 4: and in my humble opinion, a disservice to journalism.

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Speaker 4: You've asked the correct question, Molly. What is the goal?

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Speaker 4: Is the goal to treat this as a horse race,

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Speaker 4: If they think that the horse race coverage that worked

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Speaker 4: up until twenty sixteen to serve as a second order

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Speaker 4: effect to educate voters about the differences in the candidates,

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Speaker 4: if they think that world still exists, I have to

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Speaker 4: remind them it has not existed for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: And my concern is that they continue to frame this

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Speaker 4: he's a normal Republican and she's a normal Democrat. Well,

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Speaker 4: she is an normal Democrat. Actually she's kind of a

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Speaker 4: get him out there, they price in, Okay, well Donald

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Speaker 4: to Harris and say, what's your response, madam.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's enough about fucking Donald Trump. And I

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Speaker 1: do think like when you ask these trumpy questions, A,

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Speaker 3: With answers about Donald Trump. Who the fuck cares?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, the conception that Donald Trump is like a singularity,

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Speaker 4: if journalists understand this yet. They got a sugar high

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Speaker 4: they continue to insist that he is the only thing

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is it's also not factual because we're.

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Speaker 3: Seeing that there is a Harris bounce.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Democratic Invention got better numbers than the

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Speaker 1: She is not Joe Biden. Which is not to say

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden isn't great, because I truly believe that

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Speaker 4: Actually there are a lot of them that they want

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Speaker 4: both know this is the case. I have my theories

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Speaker 4: He's procedural and boring, and they hate him. Their hatred

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Speaker 4: rules are the same things they praise Donald Trump for doing. Oh,

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Speaker 4: Trump's transgressive. He sets the agenda, he tells the media

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Speaker 4: mean the like the soaked and evil shit that Trump does.

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Speaker 4: I mean the way she's dealing with the media. They

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Speaker 4: what's this bitch doing to us? Why is she not

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Speaker 1: The takeaway here is Vice President Harris doesn't owe you shit.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean correct, she doesn't. She doesn't know the CNN.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, CNN, we know that CNN

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Speaker 3: But we don't even have to talk about that because fogus.

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Speaker 4: I will tell my friends at CNN this since I've

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Speaker 4: They will never not treat you as an enemy. And

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Speaker 4: you are first against the wall if Trump gets back

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Speaker 4: in office.

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Speaker 1: No, and we know Trump started with CNN socks as

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Speaker 3: Trump has some good ideas.

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Speaker 4: It'll be Baron's racquetball buddy whatever, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: Well? Let me let me say this as you are aware.

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Speaker 4: work to evangelicals, telling them. Donald Trump has abandoned you.

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Speaker 4: He lied to you. It was all about him, and

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Speaker 1: But also because he doesn't believe anything, He just wants

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Speaker 4: Listen. I don't know if anybody noticed that line, though

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Speaker 4: Mandating insurance companies pay for things. I believe that's called Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: Climate change has really had its way with property insurance companies.

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Speaker 4: They'll never raise those prices across the board to make

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Speaker 1: I just say it's so fucking stupid? Like one follow

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, none of it matters to Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: First, we're going to talk about the CNN interview, and

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Speaker 3: I love Dana. She's a very lovely human.

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Speaker 1: I know for a fact that when you're interviewing someone,

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Speaker 1: it is never useful to go at them to get

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Speaker 1: them in a defensive posture.

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Speaker 5: It won't get you anything.

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Speaker 1: You want to get stuff from your interviewe. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to make them so defensive that they just are

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Speaker 1: like whatever. Now, the blackness question, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how we could learn more information from a question like that, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that question centers around the reality that Donald

447
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Speaker 1: Trump is a racist and he's using a racist attack.

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Speaker 3: What should Harris possible say to that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a clue she did not want to talk

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Speaker 5: about it and wanted to move on quickly to other things.

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Speaker 1: What would she say? You know, yes, my father is black,

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Speaker 1: my mother is Indian. I went to an HBCU. But

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Speaker 1: because Donald Trump, I mean, like it just it's an

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Speaker 1: unanswerable question. So if I had had that interview, which

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Speaker 1: of course every journalist in America wanted that interview and

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Speaker 1: then felt they should have had that interview, But I

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Speaker 1: would have asked her, Okay, So Republicans are using inflation

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Speaker 1: as a cudgel. Is inflation like, talk to us about inflation.

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Speaker 1: Is inflation worse in America than it is in other

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Speaker 1: economically absoluent countries. It's not right there, it's not and

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Speaker 1: explain us why it's not right like and then also

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Speaker 1: explain to us what you would do to lower inflation,

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Speaker 1: and explain does what you think Trump would do to

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Speaker 1: lower inflation, like give people information about the voting choice

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Speaker 1: they're about to have versus about Trump's racist.

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Speaker 3: Lies, like what does that do? How would you possibly

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Speaker 3: even answer that question?

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Speaker 1: And like there were a bunch of questions that were

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Speaker 1: like that, I don't understand the merit of asking a candidate,

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Speaker 1: especially when it's a Trump lie. It's not a real lie.

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Speaker 1: So it's like this is all Trump does. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just don't get the merit of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I can see to some extent both sides. It's to

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Speaker 5: both sides something.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, all right, well let's do it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that Trump's appalling behavior is actually

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Speaker 5: a fundamental thing that people are going to be voting

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Speaker 5: on because they just do not like the way he

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Speaker 5: behaves in public. They think he's disgusting. They see his

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Speaker 5: racist and sextus attacks on Harris and others, I mean,

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Speaker 5: so many others, and that's just that is just something

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Speaker 5: that is dominating people's minds. And so I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: trying maybe to get her on record responding to some

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Speaker 5: of that, or like offering her thoughts on that, I

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Speaker 5: think that made some sense to me. I could see,

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Speaker 5: I could see why you would ask that question. Clearly

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Speaker 5: though that Harris did not want to go there, and

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Speaker 5: and Dan I moved on. I think within like, I

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Speaker 5: think that lasted. The whole moment lasted maybe like under

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Speaker 5: ten seconds or something.

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Speaker 3: I see where you're going with this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dana is a lovely person and she is

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Speaker 1: a very talented journalist. But it is the same as

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Speaker 1: a journalists asking me, well, your mother is Erica Jong

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Speaker 1: and Dan Bongino says you've never done anything your.

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Speaker 3: Whole life and you're only where you are because of

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Speaker 3: your mother.

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Speaker 5: What do you say to that? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like, what should I say? You don't know.

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Speaker 5: I would accept a very witty response from you, Molly right,

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Speaker 5: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I mean the question is like if the fundamental job

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Speaker 1: of an interviewer is to ask questions, to get answers

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Speaker 1: to give information. Yeah, I mean there were some questions

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Speaker 1: that were different, but like, for example, Tim Walls, Tim Walls,

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Speaker 1: so Trump has said this about your military service, okay,

509
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Speaker 1: and he was like, well, they've lied about this, this, this,

510
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Speaker 1: and that, and they're attacking my special need son. Right,

511
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Speaker 1: is true, and it's a good answer for the campaign.

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Speaker 1: And I guess it's a good answer for Bash but

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Speaker 1: he doesn't tell us anything, right, It's just like the

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Speaker 1: reality is like if you wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Get into it.

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Speaker 1: Walls decided to leave the National Guard to run for

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Speaker 1: Congress because he was upset about the Gulf War.

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Speaker 3: This is an important data point.

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Speaker 1: Then no one has taught right like he did that,

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Speaker 1: and then his students went and worked for him, and

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Speaker 1: he campaigned in this very purple district and he actually won.

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Speaker 5: Nobody thought he would win.

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Speaker 3: He didn't get a money.

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Speaker 1: Ram Emmanuel is famous for saying, this guy doesn't have

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Speaker 1: any money, why would we even get involved in this,

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Speaker 1: or something to that effect. That's an interesting data point. Instead,

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Speaker 1: she sort of tries to get him to engage on

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Speaker 1: this right wing smear and he says no, which is

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Speaker 1: the way.

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Speaker 3: To handle it.

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Speaker 5: But information is a given.

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Speaker 1: So so my question is like, what are we even

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Speaker 1: fucking doing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the problems with just broadly speaking,

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Speaker 5: like political journalism today is often like Trump said what

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Speaker 5: is your response, and then voting to Trump and Harris

538
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: said this, and what is your response? And it just

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00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 5: this constant by back and forth, and it doesn't, like

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Speaker 5: you said, really illustrate anything for anyone that doesn't offer

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Speaker 5: really new information, and it means that every time you

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Speaker 5: spend time talking about this back and forth, which is

543
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Speaker 5: much more politics base than policy base, you're not talking

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Speaker 5: about solutions and how these peopark want to govern when

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Speaker 5: they're in office. And I think I do agree that

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Speaker 5: that is something that just constantly problematic, and unfortunately a

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Speaker 5: lot of the national political press does prefer to focus

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Speaker 5: on the politics of these races, often more than the

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Speaker 5: policy when they're doing interviews and just in general.

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Speaker 4: And if you watch the coverage.

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Speaker 1: But I don't even care about policy versus politics. I

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Speaker 1: mean I do, and I'd rather have policy. I did

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Speaker 1: a little TikTok Instagram, video, YouTube, whatever where we taught

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Speaker 1: where I asked Democrats policy proposals. It was like, by

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Speaker 1: the way, nobody ever asked anyone about policies. They were like, oh,

556
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Speaker 1: you know, and they came up with cool stuff, but

557
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Speaker 1: they were like, oh, no one's ever having me that.

558
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Speaker 1: More of the question is this Donald Trump is not

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Speaker 1: a normal Republican candidate. He has been running for president

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Speaker 1: for almost a decade, so he's normalized in our eyes.

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Speaker 1: For example, yesterday he said he's going to give everyone

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Speaker 1: free IVF.

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Speaker 5: Okay, now, IVF.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but I have

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Speaker 1: two of my three kids out of IVF. It costs

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Speaker 1: so much money. I live in New York, and I

567
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Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, this is a lot of money.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Famously, insurance really doesn't. Some insurance does, but it's pretty

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Speaker 1: unusual to get all of it covered.

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Speaker 3: It's tens of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in twenty seventeen said he was going to

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Speaker 1: give everyone insurance.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, then he tried to overturn the Affordable Care Act

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Speaker 1: and wasn't able to because of Arizona Senator John McCain,

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Speaker 1: who then shortly afterwards died. First of all, there's no

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Speaker 1: math in which you're going to be able to give

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand and thirty thousand, fourty thousand dollars for IVF

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Speaker 1: to each American couple, right, that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And he's not going to mandate insurance companies to do

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Speaker 1: that because insurance companies would go to business. So this

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Speaker 1: is undoable. It's like I'm going to buy every American

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Speaker 1: child a pony. And yet you have mainstream media outlets

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Speaker 1: being like Trump promises to make IVF free, and also

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Speaker 1: the Republican platform is now that life begins at fetus

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Speaker 1: or at fertilized egg. And you know, on the Heritage

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Speaker 1: Foundation right now there's a there's a essay about how

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Speaker 1: there are about many essays about how Americans must regulate

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Speaker 1: IVF to prevent the deaths of these embryos.

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Speaker 5: So make it make sense to me, Well, the thing

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Speaker 5: that people need to stop doing, obviously, is taking Trump

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Speaker 5: out his word or treating him like a normal candidate.

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Speaker 5: I think that's man's that's really I mean, every time

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Speaker 5: you hear someone tried justifying a Trump interview, they're like, well,

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Speaker 5: he made so much news, and it's like, well did

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Speaker 5: he really and like, well he said this about that,

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Speaker 5: and it's like, okay, yeah, Like I guess if he

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Speaker 5: were in normal Candida and he made a poppy he

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Speaker 5: took a policy stance that would matter a lot more.

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Speaker 5: But he's not a normal candidate. And I think that

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Speaker 5: that that really comes down to. He's an anti Democratic candidate.

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Speaker 5: And that's really the biggest you know that the elephants

605
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Speaker 5: of the room in this election when people go to

606
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Speaker 5: the ballot box is it's this guy who wants to

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Speaker 5: be an authoritarian versus a pretty run of the mill

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Speaker 5: democrat running right. And so it just feels like the

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Speaker 5: news media at times they just have blinders on and

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Speaker 5: they refuse to see this reality, and they want to

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Speaker 5: pretend that we're like in nineteen ninety five, when you know,

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Speaker 5: you would have a Republic Canada the table what beat

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Speaker 5: the press, and you'd have a Democrat at the table,

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Speaker 5: and they would give up and the one would say

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Speaker 5: I want text cuts, another it's say, man, maybe we

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Speaker 5: shouldn't do that, and then afterward they'd all go to

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Speaker 5: brunch and everyone was happy.

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Speaker 6: And I think it seems like it's so much of

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Speaker 6: a media.

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Speaker 5: Really just longs for those days, and they refuse to

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Speaker 5: acknowledge the reality that one of these parties had been

622
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Speaker 5: hijacked by really dangerous people who you know, honestly have

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Speaker 5: anti American values. Here are people who are at time

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Speaker 5: it's promoting guys like Vladimer Putin right, And it just

625
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 5: feels like this reality is something that's inconvenient for a

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Speaker 5: lot of journalists who live in the Beltway, and they

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Speaker 5: just don't want to acknowledge that. They don't want to

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Speaker 5: talk about it. In plain terms and use a plain

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Speaker 5: language to describe it, and so you end up with

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Speaker 5: a lot of both side jurism and just cover it.

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Speaker 5: That makes people our own want to tear their hair

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Speaker 5: out when they want it because it's like, why aren't

633
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: you guys able to see the thing that everyone else

634
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Speaker 5: is able to see? And the last thing I'd say

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Speaker 5: is these journalists, we are covering a lot of these

636
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Speaker 5: these these topics in this way privately, like I think

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Speaker 5: they would all acknowledge this. Right, you can't go to

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Speaker 5: a bar in DC and talk to a class of

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Speaker 5: bookwo reporters who are not going to say that Jim

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Speaker 5: Jordan is just a liar whose pedals conspiracy theories. But

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Speaker 5: then you read their copy and it's like, like Jim Jordan,

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00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: the chairman of the House Traditionary Community said Thursday that like,

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Speaker 5: you know, Harris committed this crime, and it's like, well,

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00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: wait a second, shouldn't it be like Jim Jordan, who

645
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: has a lengthy history promoting unfounded information and unhinged conspiracy theories,

646
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: leveled yet another one of those Like it's just like

647
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Speaker 5: that contact, it's just so necessary is missing from these stories.

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Speaker 5: And I think like The way I would think about

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Speaker 5: it is if I'm fast forwarding one hundred years and

650
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Speaker 5: I picked up like one of these newspapers or watched

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Speaker 5: one of these cable news segments, It's like, I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: really understand who Jim Jordan is.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a problem.

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Speaker 5: Right, Like, you should be very clear about who these

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Speaker 5: people are. Everyone understands it behind the scenes. Yet when

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Speaker 5: it comes to making air often or making the prints paper,

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Speaker 5: it just doesn't seem to be there in clear eye fashion.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of this is because they're

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Speaker 5: Okay, or opinion Like someone someone the other day I

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Speaker 5: but that's not an opinion, that's just like objectively true, right,

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Speaker 5: like look at the fact checks online. They're being talked

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Speaker 5: to Daniel Dale like demand lies like at a very

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Speaker 5: irte and that might make you feel uncomfortable or it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk to me about the industry what it

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Speaker 1: looks like right now. You cover everything CBS and Sky,

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Speaker 1: Will you talk to us about like the sort of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think well, I mean I cover the news

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Speaker 5: media obviously, and we just talked about that. But also

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Speaker 6: The news media.

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Speaker 5: So one of those things, for instance, would be like CNN. Right,

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Speaker 5: CNN is owned by Warner brother Discovery, which is a

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Speaker 5: company that is in tremendous trouble right now, and they're

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Speaker 5: it always trickles down to the company's owns, like CNN.

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Speaker 5: So if you want to know why CNN as to

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Speaker 5: someone like David'saslom is doing. Same thing over at CDs.

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Speaker 5: You know, CBS News is known by paramounts Global, and

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Speaker 5: Paramount Global is a massive trouble. They just also wrote

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Speaker 5: merging with David Ellison's Skuydance Media. There's a deal that

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Speaker 5: all of CBS and all those Timemount assets. And so

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Speaker 5: I'm covering that all this this bigger I guess picture

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Speaker 5: I think at first glance, for some people who are

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Speaker 5: paying attention, you realize that everything you know or a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really, really, really important. And it

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Speaker 1: seems like streaming is the future of cable news right

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people under the age of forty

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Speaker 1: five don't have cable boxes or don't want to pay

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Speaker 1: for a cable, or it seems like counterintuitive for them

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Speaker 1: to pay for a cable. NBC has News Now, which

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Speaker 1: is a streamer, but I'm not seeing a ton of

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Speaker 3: World, and I'm curious why that's not happening.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the economics aren't so good, Molly, I

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Speaker 5: think that's that's one of the reasons.

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Speaker 1: Right, don't you think there's a place for like you

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Speaker 1: can just put ads on there like YouTube? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm someone who comes from magazines in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 5: And people would read it.

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, some people did that and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people didn't, and eventually everyone got there, but

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Speaker 1: the people got there slower died. So like, isn't this

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Speaker 1: sort of the same thing, or am I just an idiot?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that you're seeing people try. I mean

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Speaker 5: CBS as their thing, NBC has their thing, CNN has

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Speaker 5: its own thing on the max streamer. I just think

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Speaker 5: the economics are really challenging when you talk about the

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Speaker 5: talent which is used to being paid, for instance, like

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If the streaming business is going to support those really

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Speaker 5: high salaries, and so I think it's challenging to just

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Speaker 5: going to be there's going to have to be a

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Speaker 5: lot of slashes in terms of salaries, and then can

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Speaker 5: lot less.

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Speaker 3: And then the other.

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Speaker 5: Problem too, Mollie, is that a company like Comcasts or

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Speaker 5: direct CV is going to be very unhappy the moment,

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Speaker 5: you take the current programming and put it on streaming.

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Speaker 5: So what ends up happening is you have to create

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Speaker 5: MB News, now that's a different that's a different thing

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Speaker 5: than what NBC News is offering. And then sometimes I

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Speaker 5: think audiences are like, do I want to watch the

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Speaker 5: b string? You know, not to be mean, but like

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Speaker 5: then the last thing, too, Molly, is that the audience

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Speaker 5: watching cable is about seventy years old, and I just

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Speaker 5: don't know how many other people are going to download

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Speaker 5: an app and then like type in their credit card

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Speaker 5: information or whatever, or just even download the app and

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Speaker 5: watch a separate thing. I think they're very used to

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Speaker 5: turning on their television and using the guide and going

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Speaker 5: over to seeing other MSNBC when they want it. The

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Speaker 5: younger audiences are really not watching cable news, and do

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Speaker 5: they even want cable news or do they just consume

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Speaker 5: contents on YouTube and TikTok and online in different ways.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if they don't have the option, how

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Speaker 1: do they know they could want it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's it's very tricky. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: It's the five hundred million dollar question. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you all, Darcy and the

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Speaker 3: tell it.

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Speaker 2: Pretadas is the South Asia correspondent for the New York

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Speaker 2: Times and the author of Billionaire Nerd Savior King Bill

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Speaker 2: Gates and his Quest to Shape Our World.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Fast Politics printa Das.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Thank you, Mari.

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Speaker 1: So you wrote an unauthorized book about Bill Gates. Number

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Speaker 1: one I always ask people is why did they write

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Speaker 1: this book?

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Speaker 6: V My book isn't a strict biography, which is what

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Speaker 6: to me made it very interesting. I didn't want to

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Speaker 6: write a traditional biography of Bill Gates. He was it's

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Speaker 6: interesting to me in that manner. I mean, obviously is

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Speaker 6: a very fascinating character. But what struck me as interesting

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Speaker 6: is the fact that he's been on the public stage

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Speaker 6: for so many decades, and unlike a lot of billionaires

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Speaker 6: and other relation illness people, he has been known for

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Speaker 6: all these different things. You know, in the eighties, being

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Speaker 6: the Microsoft co founder and kind of being this nerding

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Speaker 6: boy genius billionaire, and then fortun time in the late

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Speaker 6: nineteen nineties, all people could compare him to was Rocketfeller.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you look in the news coverage from

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Speaker 6: that time and then in the past two decades. I

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Speaker 6: think until the Epstein stuff happened, people really just looked

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Speaker 6: at him as a good moral billionaire using his money

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Speaker 6: to you know, shelt thousands of people to provide vaccines,

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Speaker 6: that kind of thing. And then I think when the

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Speaker 6: divorce happened in twenty twenty one and two years earlier,

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Speaker 6: there were all these news reports about his connections with

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein. And then right after the divorce he started

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Speaker 6: seeing news about his extra manter affairs and it has continued,

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Speaker 6: and so at that moment, I was like, who is

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Speaker 6: this guy? I mean, Wow, there's a whole different side

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Speaker 6: to Bill Gates. That's what got me really interested and

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Speaker 6: like using him as a way to just kind of

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Speaker 6: like look at bigger picture ideas like insluence and power

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Speaker 6: of billionaires on society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting because it is I mean even

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Speaker 1: to the you know, the COVID pandemic where the two

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Speaker 1: of them works, how important vaccines were.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that he was.

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Speaker 1: Able to hide his true self or do you think

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Speaker 1: people just weren't looking that carefully, or do you think

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Speaker 1: he changed from having all that money.

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Speaker 6: During the pandemic. I mean, this is a guy who

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Speaker 6: has a very science and technology obviously driven mind, He's

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Speaker 6: very rational, he's very data driven. He has studied vaccines

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Speaker 6: and science in public health for decades. And the Gates

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Speaker 6: Foundation was so influential outside in the US. Basically it's

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Speaker 6: pretty important, but its focus has been on US charter schools,

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Speaker 6: and globally it has like much more importance. I think

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Speaker 6: people were surprised to see Gates kind of stand up

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Speaker 6: and be this private actor standing alongside doctor Anthony Fauci

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Speaker 6: a role to see him as an advocate for something.

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Speaker 6: You know, kind of thought guy, okay, philanthropist, Microsoft co founder,

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Speaker 6: you know, someone who weighs a nontech change, But why

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Speaker 6: is he a spokesman now for the pandemic? So I

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Speaker 6: think that also introduced a new element of who Gates

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Speaker 6: was to the world at large.

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Speaker 1: So do you think, though, that being a billionaire changed

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Speaker 1: him or do you think that he was better at

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Speaker 1: hiding his true nature?

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Speaker 3: Or is it both?

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Speaker 5: I mean it's both.

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Speaker 6: I think he's been a billionaire for so long, you know,

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00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: I don't think he really thinks about those things, you know,

879
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 6: whether he needs to, like, for instance, do you think

880
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: about Epstein. I don't think he went into it worrying

881
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 6: about optics. I think he went into it because some

882
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 6: people told him that this was a guy worth meeting,

883
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 6: and he made the trade off and said, Okay, I mean,

884
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 6: maybe he's meaning and will get me a lot of

885
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 6: money into the things I want. I mean, that's the

886
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 6: extent of the story that's out there, and I couldn't

887
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 6: tell you, and I think no one has been able

888
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 6: to tell the world what exactly happened between Dates and Epstein.

889
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: And of course Jel always said was collapse in judgment

890
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 6: and she shouldn't have gone back. So I don't think

891
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: this is a guy who like either oneself for another.

892
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: He just is who he is, and a lot of

893
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 6: people you know interacting with him don't really like him,

894
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: even if they acknowledge that he's done an amazing job

895
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 6: at Tech and then to anthropate. But his media handlers

896
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 6: obviously do because they've been working really hard to burnish

897
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 6: certain aspects of this image so that he comes across

898
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 6: in a certain way. It was like very benevolent person.

899
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: It is so so strange though that if you're so

900
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: careful about your persona and you're so careful about, you know,

901
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: how you look to the world, and then you hang

902
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: out with Jeffery Epstein after he already there's already whispers.

903
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: Didn't they hang out after it was a.

904
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 6: Convicted sexual centive? Yeah, I mean very much. So I

905
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 6: think you know he had served there's a loose sentence

906
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 6: in Florida jail. But yeah, I think you know, even

907
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 6: a Google search would have told you that this was

908
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 6: their character, that was the basic Google person. I did that,

909
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 6: you know, I was like, okay, let's see maybe people

910
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 6: hadn't written about it, but you know, vickim Ward back

911
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 6: in the nineties Rope two bandies there kind of compare

912
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 6: him to this, like, you know, slightly like almost sindy person,

913
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 6: but who hung out with Donald Trump? Who hung up

914
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 6: with all these different people, And you know, there are

915
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 6: all these reports of how he always liked to hang

916
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 6: out with beautiful women, and that was one piece of it.

917
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 6: And that's you know, that was before and then you

918
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: still had a lot of coverage, you know, in the

919
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 6: years before Gates met him. So I don't know were

920
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 6: his people asleep at the splints or did they think

921
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 6: it would never get discovered, or did they not think

922
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 6: about it at all, or could they not stop Gates

923
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 6: because Gates just wanted to do things his own way

924
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 6: and didn't bear Again, as I was saying, you like

925
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 6: about Image and Optics, is it a leaky.

926
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: Crew around Gates? It seems like it's very much not.

927
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: It's a very combative crew around Gates. I mean, I

928
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 6: think especially after the divorce and they pad like it's

929
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 6: not the easiest time for anyone in that job, right,

930
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 6: like trying to swat things down because there are all

931
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 6: these negative stories that you know, if you're a PR person,

932
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 6: you're going to vulture drive. But some of it I

933
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 6: think comes from the way Dates himself is, and that

934
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 6: was told to me many times that he's again a

935
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 6: very data driven kind of guy, and he's like the

936
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 6: reporter comes to him and says, hey, this is what

937
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 6: I'm hearing, he'd be like, where's the evidence. If you

938
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 6: don't have the evidence, he tends to dismiss, and I

939
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 6: think that can set the tone through what like a

940
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 6: lot of PR people end up doing around him. So

941
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: you end up dismissing, but then you know, in reporting,

942
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 6: you come back with more information and then at some

943
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 6: point you're forced to backpack or forced to tone down

944
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 6: your message and forced to kind of like engage, but

945
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 6: by then you just already like created this very combative atmosphere.

946
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 6: So it's a strange way of handling, but it's not surprising,

947
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 6: and a lot of people can be like that.

948
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that having a ton of money

949
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: changes a person totally?

950
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it disconnects you right from the world,

951
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 6: like from the experience of others, and you can only

952
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 6: have a filtered experience, like even I mean, I would say,

953
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 6: obviously Gates and the lend of French Gates have a

954
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 6: lot of contact with what's going on, you know, in

955
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 6: very poor countries and all the problems, but it's still

956
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 6: a very filtered world because if they're going to something,

957
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 6: it's like a trip that's prepared, you know, nine months

958
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 6: in advance for the foundation, right and you're going there

959
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 6: and like everything's been set out for you and you're

960
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 6: meeting this person who you know has been chosen for

961
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: certain reasons, So it's kind of a very sheltered experience.

962
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 6: Although I would say they still you know, obviously meet

963
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 6: and know much more about the world now than they did.

964
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, I see you can get out

965
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 6: of charge because, for instance, Gates is responsible, his money

966
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 6: is responsible, or you know, money is directing film is

967
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 6: responsible for the livelihoods of like two thousand people. Right,

968
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 6: you have one hundred people at the foundation and earned

969
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: people on his personal staff. And I don't think anyone's

970
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 6: kind of it's in no one's interests to really stand

971
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 6: up to him, so people end up referring to him.

972
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 6: So I think that gives you a sense of yourself

973
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 6: that might not be one hundred percent rooted in reality.

974
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: And I think that's function of massive wealth and influence.

975
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

976
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: So can you explain to us why they got divorced

977
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: or what happened there?

978
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: Because they've been married for such a long time.

979
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, twenty seven years and their relationship started in the office, right,

980
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 6: she's nine years younger. From everything that my reporting indicated,

981
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 6: it was a troubled marriage. And I think people who

982
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 6: had seen Gates and Nwlanda up close for many years

983
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 6: felt that they had a good working relationship, but he

984
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 6: could still be a certain way, but that maybe on

985
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 6: the personal front that it was not as good as

986
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 6: you might saying. I don't want to like overstate the case,

987
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 6: even though that ended divorced. But you know my reporting

988
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: and I think it's come out since then that he

989
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 6: didn't conduct extra medal affairs and he had a reputation

990
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 6: for being something of a ladies man in going back

991
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 6: to the eighties and nineties and so, which again didn't

992
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 6: fit into the persona. But I think that fed into

993
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 6: what was a troubled marriage that they couldn't do anything about.

994
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 6: To me, the Gates Foundation, the Origin Story Foundation, so

995
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 6: tied to their couple them, right, this is like a

996
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 6: foundation that was formed from them going on a trip

997
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 6: and seeing kind of the poverty of like so Saharan

998
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 6: Africa and coming against coming back and saying, oh my god,

999
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 6: we need to do something, and that's how they started

1000
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 6: the foundation. So you couldn't suddenly up to people just.

1001
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: You know, go their own ways.

1002
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: But I think Lorenda has since said that boast the

1003
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 6: Epstein rep relations and all of that scrutiny, that came

1004
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 6: a moment that where she felt that she couldn't go

1005
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 6: on anymore. And so she clearly indicated as well that

1006
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 6: it was pretty troubled marriage for many years.

1007
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: So interesting, what's too much, right, because like the idea

1008
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: that it was abstute really that did it is sort

1009
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: of interesting one of Meddy.

1010
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 6: I can't imagine that it was the only thing. But

1011
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 6: I think also the fact that, I mean, it could

1012
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 6: be true for anyone. Right, you might live with the

1013
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 6: knowledge about something, even if you don't like it, hated,

1014
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 6: whatever it is. But once it becomes public, right, once

1015
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 6: it reflects.

1016
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: On you too.

1017
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: And for Melinda it was at a time when she

1018
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 6: was really trying to build her own hyper public brand

1019
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 6: that was focused very much on women's empowerment and gender

1020
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 6: equality and things like that. So you can imagine that

1021
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 6: news of rx husband's connections with a convicted sex offender

1022
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 6: at that time was probably not just not the best

1023
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: look for her, even though she had obviously known that

1024
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 6: he had met with Epstein many times in that twenty

1025
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 6: eleven to twenty fourteen time.

1026
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: Harry, there's a real dis divide.

1027
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: It seems like you have these male divorced billionaires like

1028
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: Elon Musk who tend to become very trumpy.

1029
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of.

1030
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: Also Bill Ackman, or even like I mean, Harold Ham

1031
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: is an oil and gas executive, so that makes a

1032
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: little more sense. But all of these billionaire wives and

1033
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about McKenzie. Bezos have actually come out as Democrats.

1034
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: How do you explain this?

1035
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 6: I think again, like once you're a cheaper level of

1036
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 6: through and down and you begin to it's not just

1037
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 6: money and it's not just you know, you've created the

1038
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 6: companies to become wildly successful.

1039
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 5: Everyone knows your name.

1040
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 6: But I think at that point she become very confident

1041
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 6: in stating your thews and maybe we're all stuff that way.

1042
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 6: And now it's just that, Okay, I have a bullhorn

1043
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 6: and I can say this, and I have been learning

1044
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 6: you to actually make things happen if I like it

1045
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 6: a certain way, if I don't like it a certain way,

1046
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 6: must is obviously a very obvious example of that, right

1047
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 6: that he didn't like the way Twitter worked, and so

1048
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 6: he decided he could buy the company and like make

1049
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 6: it more in line with what he thought it should be.

1050
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 6: I mean, and this is a guy who you know

1051
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 6: has the money to do it, and so I think

1052
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: it would embolden you a lot. And Gates has been

1053
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 6: interesting because he is publicly like he is very apolitical,

1054
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 6: and I think he has needed to do that so

1055
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 6: that the Foundation doesn't get into these politicized battles. I

1056
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 6: mean it already has. But you know, he was actually

1057
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 6: pissed off and the Trump illustration during the pandemic because

1058
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 6: they were making all these pronouncements on vaccines and he

1059
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 6: just said, you know, craft but the areas of top

1060
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 6: administration nutritional saying wasn't exasperated at that time. But for

1061
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 6: the others, I mean, I think there is there's an

1062
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 6: element of supreme confidence that money and extreme success brains

1063
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 6: that makes you kind of feel that you can weigh

1064
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 6: in on whatever it is and you're protected, you know,

1065
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 6: so you can double down. You're based in India right well,

1066
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 6: right now in New York. But yeah, what happened was

1067
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 6: that I change jobs. The process of writing books is

1068
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 6: a long run and so I used to be financed

1069
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 6: at there until a couple of months ago. And now

1070
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 6: on the South Asian cors comment based in Delhi.

1071
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: So what's happening right now in Deli. It's such an

1072
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: interesting moment.

1073
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, India has been at the center of

1074
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 6: a lot of geopolitical shifts, and it does have a

1075
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 6: Prime Minister who is adored by much of the country,

1076
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 6: despite you know, given his record in terms of the

1077
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 6: treatment of some minorities, mostly minorities, and also.

1078
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: His washing dissent.

1079
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 6: There are a lot of media organizations and research organizations

1080
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 6: on foreign organizations like being Peace and Amnesty that have

1081
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 6: long worked in India kind of being curtailed or like

1082
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 6: self essentially as a result of the money government's crackedout.

1083
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 6: So despite that, I mean, here's a guy who is

1084
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 6: very determined to put India on the world stage, turn

1085
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 6: it into a middle income country, and invite foreign companies

1086
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 6: to invest in India, and trying to take advantage of

1087
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 6: the fact that the US channel relationship is important used

1088
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 6: to be and has a really become tense and soured.

1089
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 6: And I think that puts India kind of at an

1090
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 6: advantage according to Moti, according to the world. So it's

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Speaker 6: a good time to kind of put yourself out there.

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Speaker 6: So we are powerful where the dish of the largest

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Speaker 6: population in the world, and a lot of Indians take

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Speaker 6: pride that. There's a lot of cheerleading going on as

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Speaker 6: a result domestically orn mooding.

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Speaker 3: So interesting, it's scary but also interesting.

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Speaker 6: No, well, it's interesting. Also there's this whole sort of

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Speaker 6: Gates and Lodi connection, and I take that up in

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Speaker 6: my book briefly because the Gates Foundation's biggest office outside

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Speaker 6: the US is in India, and he and Mody kind

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Speaker 6: of had these highly publicized sit downs. And I think

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Speaker 6: for Mody having that connection to Gates is extremely important

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Speaker 6: because it's a legitimizing force globally, and I think for Gates,

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Speaker 6: the Foundation does a lot of work in India is

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Speaker 6: like a crucible right. You have to have India succeed

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Speaker 6: on development goals if you're going to meet global goals

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Speaker 6: for development, like assisting ale development goals. So there's sort

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Speaker 6: of like an interesting dynamic between the two of them.

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Speaker 6: I think it's mutually beneficial. So that's really interesting to

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Speaker 6: see as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so interesting. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Mollly, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: Now moments Ritt Wilson, Molli, Jong.

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Speaker 3: Fat What is your moment of fuckery?

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Speaker 4: My moment of fuckery is and remains Arlington National Cemetery. Yeah,

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00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: which we're pretty flip on this show a lot of

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Speaker 4: the time. But I was so revolted and saddened on

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Speaker 4: behalf of you know, watching this grotesque display on behalf

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Speaker 4: of anyone in America, who ever had a family member

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Speaker 4: who served or who served themselves. That this guy demands

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Speaker 4: access to one of the most sacred places in American life,

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Speaker 4: to one of the most sacred spaces in a memorial

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Speaker 4: that holds the remains of four hundred thousand Americans who've

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Speaker 4: died in combat and who've died after serving this country.

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Speaker 4: That Donald Trump tried to set up a political prank

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Speaker 4: in coordination with Fox News to claim an memorial was

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Speaker 4: going on, that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris refused to

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Speaker 4: visit and only Trump would show up. And the fact

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Speaker 4: that Corey Lewandowski and Chris Losovita and whatever thugs were

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Speaker 4: with them shoved and verbally abused an Army staffer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we still don't know this story about that right.

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Speaker 4: Who was trying to maintain the dignity of Arlington and

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Speaker 4: who later said she wouldn't foul charges because she was

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Speaker 4: afraid for her life, because she was afraid of being

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Speaker 4: doxed and attacked by these people. That to me is

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Speaker 4: a moment of fuckery. That is I mean, look, a

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Speaker 4: lot of times the moment of fuckery has some humor

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Speaker 4: to it. This one has no humor in my mind.

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Speaker 4: To it. This just makes me more determined to beat

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Speaker 4: that motherfucker's political brains in and be done with him.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, in.

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Speaker 1: A completely political and not violent way at all.

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Speaker 4: I said political.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, I know, I'm just specifying. I thought

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Speaker 3: that was a very good way.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was good of you to be careful

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00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: with saying that this is about politics and not anything

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Speaker 1: that is anything else.

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Speaker 3: My moment of.

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Speaker 1: Fuckery is this continued discourse about Donald Trump's age. So

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was told he had to drop out. He

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Speaker 1: was too old, he was way too old. He was

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Speaker 1: too old.

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Speaker 5: It was not good.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that Joe Biden was old? Did you

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Speaker 4: hear that? I heard that. I heard a couple of

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Speaker 4: people mentioned that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never heard it, but I got the sense that

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Speaker 1: people thought he was too old. Okay, Now, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: not too old, And in fact, there was a piece.

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Speaker 3: In the Washington Most about how he doesn't read as old.

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Speaker 3: He's a spry seventy eight year old.

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Speaker 1: He's the oldest person to ever run for president.

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Speaker 4: And did whoever, I don't know who wrote that, but

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Speaker 4: Matt boy.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, all right, yeah, okay, had they not

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Speaker 7: watched a single Trump rally, briefing, press availability speech, or

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Speaker 7: various two camera mumblefest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because Trump is not well. This guy is not well,

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Speaker 4: not young. He doesn't scan as young, not young. A

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Speaker 4: friend of ours sent us a photograph from somebody in

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Speaker 4: a restaurant and Palm Beach other night, just ann anonymous couple.

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Speaker 4: But there was this sort of like full haired but

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Speaker 4: seventy five ish, slightly portly fellow sitting across the table

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Speaker 4: from a hot young girl and a little dress, clearly

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Speaker 4: not his daughter, and it was like, oh, my god,

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Speaker 4: that's Donald Trump. If he hadn't run for office, he'd

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Speaker 4: be sitting in some fucking steakhouse in Palm Beach with

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Speaker 4: some little chippy Like do you know how rich I am?

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Speaker 4: But he is just so gross. He's so gross, and

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Speaker 4: he's so senile, and I'm sorry. You know what. The

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Speaker 4: downside of this world right now in the media is

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Speaker 4: what we were told was a screaming central must consider

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00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: issue every single day for almost nine fucking months with

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden is now like we didn't say that, what

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: are you talking about? I feel like we're being gas

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Speaker 4: lit on this particular issue more than almost any other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Rick Wilson anytime.

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Speaker 4: I'll talk to you again next week. And by the way, folks,

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Speaker 4: don't forget to check out Politics as Unusual Bio because

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Speaker 4: Molly and I are on our speaking tour and it

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Speaker 4: is a blast. People are loving it, we're selling it

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Speaker 4: out and we'll be adding some more dates, so come

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Speaker 4: and get it.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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