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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, And welcome to another episode of Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour. I'm Rachel and I'm here with Ali. Who's

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Speaker 1: on the phone today. What's up Alle? Hey? Rage? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm home with my little kiddos and just wanted to

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Speaker 1: call in. Okay, before we get into the podcast today,

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Speaker 1: we have some Bachelor Happy Hour business to get into,

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Speaker 1: So Ali, I'll let you kick it off. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to let all of you guys know well,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, I just want to say that I

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Speaker 1: had so much fun recapping Bachelor and Paradise with you, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: through you know, through the season. And I think that

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Speaker 1: I just realized lately, and anyone out there who's listening

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Speaker 1: can relate to having too much on their plate. And

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Speaker 1: I just kind of realized that I was so stressed

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Speaker 1: had to give. Like when I was preparing for the

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Speaker 1: finale even if Bachelor and Paradise, Molly was coming into

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Speaker 1: my office saying like Mommy, Mommy, will you come play

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Speaker 1: with me? And I was like, Honey, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: of my play. And as much as I want to

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Speaker 1: keep doing the podcast and love it so much, I

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Speaker 1: know that sometimes you have to give up things that

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Speaker 1: are really fun. So I'm going to pass the baton

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Speaker 1: over to you, Rage and I know you're gonna do

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Speaker 1: amazing things with this podcast. Oh Ali. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time to call in and explain it

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Speaker 1: they're going to want to know what happened to Ali,

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Speaker 1: and I just truly have so much respect for you

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Speaker 1: for stepping away from something that you love to do

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Speaker 1: to spend time with your family. Well, thank you so much, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: and right back at you. I know you're gonna kill it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen every single week and hear all the

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Speaker 1: guests that you have, and you know, even though I

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Speaker 1: will be watching. I will be a Bachelor super fan,

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Speaker 1: and I will be rooting you on. So I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see all the awesome things you're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, And you know I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: you up on that because we love to have you

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Speaker 1: back anytime. Because I know you're gonna be watching. I

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna have some opinions, so you know you're

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Speaker 1: always welcome back. The seats always open for you, so

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Rachel

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Speaker 1: and I'm back again with the most fabulous co host

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Speaker 1: from last week, Demmy. Move over, Hannahby I'm still in

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Speaker 1: your best friend, Demmy, Oh my gosh, hello girl, how's

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Speaker 1: it going. I'm back. I am great. I'm great because

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Speaker 1: you're back and I feel like you know, we're two

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Speaker 1: girls from Texas. Yes, Queen, we tell it like it is.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of fun. So I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: get into it right now. I love being here with you.

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Speaker 1: I know me too. So on the show today, we've

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Speaker 1: got Kevin and Astrid coming on. Astrod is one of

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Speaker 1: it was me, Ari and Jojo, and we were Ari

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Speaker 1: how are y'all doing? Are you? Are you still on

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Speaker 1: cloud nine? I feel like I'm floating through life. Nothing

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Speaker 1: does Demmy and all of our listeners. How did this

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Speaker 1: propose to Astrod. I started planning the ring around April times,

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Speaker 1: It's just been a fun hangout in a vacation to

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you're two borings. And they just left

429
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 1: us there, like they literally looked at us and said,

430
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: you are so boring that we're just gonna leave you be.

431
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: And we were talking about I think we're talking about taxes.

432
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: We were talking about like I was saying, how I've

433
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: learned a lot about how to do tax and it

434
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: was something that you would always talk about on like

435
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 1: your tenth date in real life. And I think once

436
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: we accepted that, Okay, this is a relationship that might

437
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: be really going somewhere. I want to know this about you,

438
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: the boring was good. Like Tia, Texas last week to congratulations,

439
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: he said, how is my favorite? How are my favorite?

440
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: Two pieces of furniture? Because they called us the front

441
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 1: because we just basically hung out. We were always there,

442
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: but we weren't really causing much shit. Well, you know

443
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: who wasn't a piece of furniture, more like a hurricane.

444
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,479
Speaker 1: It's Blake. And I know you guys, I know you

445
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: guys are friends with Blake. And we had Blake actually

446
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: on the podcast and it was actually a very very

447
00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: good episode that we had. It got really real, very

448
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: very honest and vulnerable. And I just, how is Blake

449
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 1: doing from your perspective, because I know you guys are

450
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: friends with him. Uh yeah, we spent The last time

451
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: we've seen him was the weekend before the premiere of

452
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: Paradise this year, and I know he was in pretty

453
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 1: rough shape because he had read some spoilers and it

454
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: was starting to get out there of how the first

455
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: few episodes went for him. I feel like he has

456
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: come a long way since that day. I know he's

457
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: he was, he was in a bit of a dark

458
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: place for a bit there. I think he's just getting

459
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: that that route awakening that you know when you're the top,

460
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: top guy, there's only one way to go, which is down.

461
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: And I think he I think he just had too

462
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: much time and too much access and too much you know,

463
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: he just had a full year of being kind of

464
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: the top guy where a lot of parties and a

465
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: lot of people where he lost track of himself a

466
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: little bit. But I do know he's working hard on

467
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: himself to get himself back to where he should be. Yeah,

468
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, watching Blake on the Beach, I was always

469
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: friends with him, but watching it back in seeing me

470
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: kind of poke fun or talk bad about him and

471
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: what he had done at stagecoach, I mean I felt

472
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: terrible about it. Do I think I made I Do?

473
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: I think he made some mistakes? Yes? Do I think

474
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent a bad person? As I said,

475
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I think that he really did learn from

476
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: what happened. And I'm so tired of people dragging him.

477
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: I just I hope the best for him. I love him,

478
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: and I think it's really special that he has people

479
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: like you, guys his friends there for him right now. Yeah,

480
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: and I definitely know that that was the big thing

481
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: for me, was being removed from the show and taking

482
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: the friendships for what they really are is. I'm not

483
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: friends with you just because you're on a TV show.

484
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm friends with you because if I needed you, I

485
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: feel like you would be there. And Blake's always been

486
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: the guy I feel like if I ever needed him,

487
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: he would be there. So just because you make a

488
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: few mistakes, I like to separate my relationships from the

489
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: show to real people. Yeah, I'm sure you will too,

490
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: DEMI Like, maybe you didn't like him on the beach

491
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: the way he was treating women, but in real life,

492
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: if you needed him, he would be there. Oh. Absolutely,

493
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: he would be there in the drop of a hat

494
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: for anyone that he cares about. Um. Yeah, I really

495
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: do love Blake and I have definitely told him sorry

496
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: for the things that I said. Okay, so enough about Paradise.

497
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about y'all's wedding. I don't even

498
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: know where to start with the wedding. I'm so stressed out, Rachel,

499
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to actually call you this week

500
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: to figure some things out. Well, I think the number

501
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: one question is am I a bridesmaid? Obviously? You know.

502
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: Actually when we were at your wedding, we realized we

503
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of like the idea of it just being us

504
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: up there, Like I really don't meet my friends to

505
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: have a spot to just be standing there. I love

506
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: the look of your wedding where it's just you guys.

507
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: In the pasta yeah, we pulled a lot of inspirations

508
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: from your wedding. Actually, oh you guys, I'll take a

509
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: row there you go. I think I think we're looking

510
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: at probably the end of next year. Maybe O'tober November

511
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: time probably implored us. It'll be close for you, Rachel too.

512
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: But I need to get a Planner's what I really

513
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: need to do, because I'm realizing there's so much that

514
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: goes into it. My mom got me a really cute

515
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: wedding planner and there's just so many things that I

516
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: never even realized worth thing. I will say, one thing

517
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: that we are sure is it's going to the one

518
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: word that we wanted to basically everyone to feel is

519
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: the romance. We want it to be like a small, intimate,

520
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: romantic wedding and nothing big and flashy. It's just going

521
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: to be like a garden, just something really sweet. I

522
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: want everyone just to feel good. And yeah, we're just

523
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: excited to start planning. I know. I call the engagement

524
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: my herd part. So I'm just a yes man for

525
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: the next twelve months. Oh yeah, right, keeper. I mean, Kevin,

526
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: you got yourself a good one too. If I must say,

527
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: I just love you guys together, and I love that

528
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: That's what I guess the vision that you have for

529
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: your wedding, because I think it really goes to who

530
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you guys are and why you guys have been such

531
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: a successful relationship. Not to stir that up, but let's

532
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: play a little bit of a game, a little newly

533
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: engaged game that we have with you two. And how

534
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna work is either myself or Jimmy's going

535
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: to say a sentence and then you two will both

536
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: say at the same time, who do you think the

537
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: sentence applies to. I'll say it count to three, and

538
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: then you guys named the person who the sentence applies

539
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: to at the same time. All Right, I said I

540
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: love you first, one, two, three, Karen, hang on, quick

541
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: question or a quick answer to that. I whispered I

542
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: love you to her with my when I covered my

543
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: microphone in Paradise, and I made sure nobody heard it.

544
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Now one producer. Nobody heard it. Two days before she

545
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: told me on camera. And that was like the most

546
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: special moment ever because I knew nobody knew I had

547
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: said it except for me. Oh but you got she

548
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: did it on our great in Paradise and everybody blew

549
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: up online saying, oh my God, she said it to

550
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: you first. That's so crazy. What a great girl. But

551
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: me and here were the only two that knew. I

552
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: said two days before, like whispered in any year or something?

553
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: You got yourself out of an hour long I TM. Yeah,

554
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: I initiated our first kiss one two three, I did. Well,

555
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: maybe it was maybe it was at Maybe we're both

556
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: brillianto each other. I'm pretty sure. Can you just kiss already?

557
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Even talking when we were like taking a walk and

558
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: the No, okay, okay, okay, I have a better sense

559
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: of direction one two three, Kevin, Okay, I don't drive

560
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: a license in Canada. Yes, that's that's no excuse. That's

561
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: I never know where I am on the road. If

562
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have GPS, I would get nowhere. Um, okay,

563
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: next one. I'm a better dancer one two three, Astrid, Yes, queen,

564
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: have you you didn't dance with wedding all? Yeah, I

565
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: don't remember seeing you on the dance floor. Kevin, We'll

566
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: have to fix it. Your dance floor was one of

567
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: the wild. It was like jumping into the drund Yes,

568
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: it was wild. I love that was wild. But have

569
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: you seen the dance that Astro does Astra has this

570
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: one dance when she's really filling herself. Have you have

571
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: you noticed that dance yet? She has a lot of those.

572
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: I have to see all that tonight. Yeah, yeah, she

573
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: has to show you. Okay, Um, I met my future

574
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: in laws first one two three kevinn okay cool, all right,

575
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm the patient one one two three Astro nice. I

576
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Kevin, Okay, I wake up earlier one

577
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: two three Kevin. Yeah, it's because you're your job. Yeah,

578
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: I'm like a five o'clock. She's like an eight o'clock.

579
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm like a ten o'clock. Um, all right, I'm the

580
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: more romantic one one two three Kevin, that's cute. I love.

581
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean, the engagement was the most romantic thing anyone's

582
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: ever done for me. I don't know how I'm gonna

583
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: ever top that. Babies, Yeah, that's it. That's the ultimate gift.

584
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm kneader one two three straight you are. I feel

585
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: like that's the one that always trips people up. I

586
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: could just picture of looking at like, wait, what oh,

587
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: that's feel like we're both really good at cleaning up

588
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: after each other when the other person's busy. But then

589
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: on your yeah, maybe you are a little Yeah, you're right.

590
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: I've been to your house and it was pretty clean. Yeah,

591
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: and I've kind of popped up like I don't really

592
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: think it was playing, so I can't really. Um, I'm

593
00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: the better singer one two three. Actually most terrible things,

594
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: all right, I respect that. Yeah, Um, I take longer

595
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: showers one two three. So my my idea is, if

596
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Soape touches every inch of your body, that's all the

597
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: time you need. So I will literally be in there

598
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: for forty five seconds and be done, and she'll be

599
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: in there forty five minutes right after me. Okay is

600
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: that a Canadian thing? Because I have never heard that before.

601
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like, when you're in there, you just

602
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: you wash everything and then you get out. I take

603
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: two many showers. I just enjoy. Yeah. Yeah, okay, I'm

604
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: the better cook one two three, Kevin. It's a fireman thing.

605
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I cook right win for you, astrid An. I don't

606
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: know how I met it on TV. I'm telling you

607
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: all right, last one, you guys, I'm the better I'm

608
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: the better planner one two three Kevin, real quick and

609
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: real serious too. We planned. Yeah, you're oriented, but I

610
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: have like confirmations and emails about it. Yes, So when

611
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: we're at the airport, if like someone's like, do you

612
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: have your number for this? She has everything so organized

613
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and ready to go in her email. But if you

614
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about how many homes and how where

615
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: they are going to be in five years, I'll tell

616
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: you how we're going to get there. That's true. I'm

617
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: sure term. He's long term. Yeah, you guys are like

618
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: the perfect balance for each other. I'm just so happy

619
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: you guys found love in this crazy bachelor franchise world.

620
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I just remember talking to Astrid before she

621
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: went on to Paradise, and we never thought that she

622
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: would meet to Kevin, and so she was beautiful, beautifully

623
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: surprised to meet you. And I'm happy you guys have

624
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: found each other. Y'all are seriously adorable. My dad is

625
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: obsessed with y'all. He was like crying Overall's relationship whenever

626
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: he watched Paradise. It was really cute. Thank you so much,

627
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Kevin and Astrid for joining us today. It's been so

628
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: much much fun catching up with you guys. Thanks guys,

629
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. That was so much fun. I'm

630
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: so glad that they called in. I know, I mean,

631
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: I know Astro and Kevin, but I'm happy to hear

632
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: them tell their story. And one thing we didn't talk

633
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: to Astrot about, but it's it's so true and I

634
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people have done it. I've

635
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: actually done it too. But she moved from Tampa to Canada,

636
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Toronto for Kevin. I mean maybe six months after they

637
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: had been dating. She moved there because she needed to

638
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: see if it was real. They needed to live together,

639
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: see if it was going to work out. And I

640
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: understand that. Brian actually moved to Dallas for me, and

641
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: then recently I moved to Miami for him, and then

642
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I moved to La to be closer to my love.

643
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: It's what you do, the things you do for love.

644
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: Oh my favorite quote, Oh my god, speaking of the

645
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: things you do for love. So I filmed this summer

646
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: this MPTV show called Ghosted, Love Gone Missing, oh Man.

647
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: And when I was originally approached to do the show,

648
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: it was you know, have you ever been ghosted? And

649
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I thought, honestly, at first, I thought, no, I haven't.

650
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: And the reason I didn't think about it is because

651
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: I was ghosted ten years ago. And when I was ghosted.

652
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: That was not a phrase. It was just, oh, somebody disappeared,

653
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: somebody changed their number. I think I jokingly referred to

654
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: him as Casper, but it didn't have a thing. And

655
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: now I'm realizing doing the show that there is this

656
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: huge epidemic surrounding that's how That's just how people break

657
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: up with each other where, whether it's family, it's friends

658
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: or lovers. And I feel like it's a generational thing.

659
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw it back at you. Even though

660
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: I like to think Demi, you know, we're the same age,

661
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I can get down with the get

662
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: down the twenty four year old. However, we're kindred spirits,

663
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: but we are okay. So I gotta ask you, because

664
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: it just seems to be so common. Have you ever

665
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: been ghosted or have you ever ghosted someone? I am

666
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: ashamed to admit that I have done some ghosting in

667
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: my day. I know no, I think that it's terrible.

668
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the meanest things that you

669
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: can do to someone. I think it's hurtful and I

670
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: would never do it again. But you know, back in

671
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: high school they called me heartbreak. Demmy, I just like

672
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to get serious with anyone. I was a virgin,

673
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: so I was very innocent. I wouldn't really hang out

674
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: with these boys outside of school. I would just talk

675
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: to them for a couple weeks and then I was

676
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: just over it. So then I just didn't text them back.

677
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: And I mean it was really really awkward a lot

678
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: of the times because they'd confront me and be like, YEO,

679
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: why I haven't you text me back? And I was like, oh, sorry,

680
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm over it. And it was very cruel. That was

681
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: very mean to play with people's hearts like that, and

682
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: I was just being selfish. So I definitely don't agree

683
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: with ghosting. I have repented for the ghosting I've done,

684
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: and I think that anyone who is doing it and

685
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: thinks that it's okay is delusional. Well, it's nice that

686
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you've found the error in your ways and you've learned

687
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: from it, and I think that people as they get

688
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: older have But I'm curious, why do you think people

689
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: ghost because it's so common instead of just having that

690
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: tough conversation, why do people just disappear? Because I think that,

691
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: like you said, it's more cruel. I think it's because

692
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: that those conversations are so uncomfortable, and nobody really wants

693
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable if you have an out to just oh,

694
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't really have to respond to this person. I

695
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: don't have to say anything that's more comfortable just dipping

696
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: out unannounced. But I don't know, it's it's just I

697
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: really just think is that people are uncomfortable with those conversations.

698
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: They don't want to feel that way. They want to

699
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: just feel chill about everything, and they're selfish. People are

700
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: just really selfish. Do you think that social media is

701
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: to blame for it? I mean social media is to

702
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: blame for everything. Yes, my depression social media, but no, really,

703
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because if you ghost somebody, or you're

704
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: talking to somebody you know in person all the time,

705
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: but then some hot person slides into your DMS, Oh

706
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna ghost this person in life so I

707
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: can talk to this other person that's interested. I mean,

708
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: it just makes dating so much more available to everyone.

709
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: And see, I also think of it as we're in

710
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: a time where we don't communicate the same way anymore.

711
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: You know, people communicate in pictures and gifts and emojis,

712
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: and people don't know how to have those tough conversations.

713
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: You know. Honestly, a lot of people couldn't sit here

714
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: and talk the way that we're talking and just engage

715
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: and have a meaningful conversation, you know. And I think

716
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: that that has to do with it. That's just my guess,

717
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: because it's just easier for them to just I don't

718
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: know why they just couldn't send a picture that's like

719
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: boy bye, like a meme. Yeah, communicating those people. Let's go.

720
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: Have you ever run into somebody that you've ghosted? I

721
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: will tell you there's this one time. Actually, so I

722
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: ghosted this boy in high school and it was probably

723
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, and then my senior year came around.

724
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: He was a year older than me, so he had

725
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: just come back from college and he came back and

726
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: he was he was a little doucheier then I remembered,

727
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: but he was like still so hot, and I was bored.

728
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you know, I want to rekindle

729
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: things back up, even though I ghosted you a few

730
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: years ago, and he was like, yeah, sure. So we

731
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of we started hanging out over the summer and

732
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: it was the summer before I was going to college,

733
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: and he was going to go back, and I kind

734
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: of noticed him being kind of cruel to me, like

735
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: kind of rude and like stand offish and just kind

736
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: of like a douchebag, and it was bothering me for

737
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: a while, but like at that time, I didn't have

738
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: enough self respect to take myself out of the situation.

739
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: I was just trying to like win him over. And

740
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: so then the next thing I know, the boy damn

741
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: ghosts me. After I had ghosted him two years ago.

742
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: He ghosted me, and then I finally got him to

743
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: say something and he was like, how does it feel?

744
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, really, dude, demmy

745
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: call his ass out. What's his name? But I don't

746
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: want to him. Is he from red O? Yes? You

747
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: know who you are? You know who you are? Oh? Great?

748
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: Funny enough. On the show, we deal with episodes like

749
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: that where someone was the ghost. We call them the haunted.

750
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: If they were ghosted, they were the haunted and then

751
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: they were the ghost. And it's crazy and people think

752
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: we make up these stories, but it's so real because

753
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: it's so common. Long story short, the guy who ghosted

754
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: me my muse now because my inspiration. Yes, Casper, you

755
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: know who you are. He okay, I was a different

756
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Rachel ten years ago. Ten years ago, Rachel never could

757
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: have been on the Bachelor. So that's why I always

758
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: in like, kudos to you guys for going on at

759
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: such a young age. I was a hot mess. Professionally,

760
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I was on point. I was in law school. Relationship wise,

761
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: I was a mess. Can't relate to being on point

762
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: in law school or professionally, which you seem to be

763
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: on point with your relationship. Oh, have done that at

764
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: twenty four, you know, one or the other, one or

765
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: the balance. So definitely hot mess, hot express. And I

766
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: was dating a guy and I'm thinking we're long distance,

767
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: we're in college, and I'm like, okay, you know, like

768
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: this is so great. I was so sprung over him.

769
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: And it was December thirty, first last day of the year.

770
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: I was in church New Year's Eve. Yes, in New

771
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: Year's Eve is my favorite holiday. Oh my gosh, that's cute,

772
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: apart from my birthday. Oh of course. And I remember thinking,

773
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, God could not let me start the new

774
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: year off without knowing this information. So I'm sitting at

775
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: church talking to, oddly enough, the guy who introduced me

776
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: to my boyfriend, and I say, you know, we're just

777
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: talking people from back home. We're all home from college.

778
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: And he's like, everybody has a kid from back home

779
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: and I go, no, so and so doesn't have a kid.

780
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: And the look he gave me was like are you serious?

781
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: And I said no, no, no, no no, no. This guy's

782
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: a jokester. So I'm like, okay, he's just being funny.

783
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: And he calls me Twin and he's like, Twin, he

784
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: has a kid, and I go, no, he does, and

785
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: that's my boyfriend. I would totally know if he had

786
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: a child. So we go outside in the lobby. He

787
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: calls him, puts him on speakerphone and says, Hey, what

788
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: are you doing And he says, Oh, I'm just at

789
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: the mall with my baby and my baby mama. No. No,

790
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean I was shocked this guy. I would say

791
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: that whole year. What I would say the whole year. Now,

792
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: we took a break. We're like Ross and Rachel. We

793
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: were on a break for about a year and a half.

794
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: Who we were on a break and if I did

795
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: the math during that time is when he got his

796
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend before me pregnant. The sad part was not

797
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: only did he lie to me about impregnating someone? So

798
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: that whole year of our relationship pretty much he had

799
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: someone pregnant. That's a huge deal. Yes, and the baby

800
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: had been born. It's like she was still pregnant, that

801
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: baby was out, and about the family was created, the

802
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: family unit was there, whole family. Oh God, I'm so shook. Okay,

803
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: are you ready to be shook even more? Oh? Yes?

804
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I took him back. No, because Yes, told you different, Rachel.

805
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: I took him back because I thought, Okay, if you

806
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with the baby mama, it's fine.

807
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: It did happen when we weren't together, and you know,

808
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: he sweet talked to me. You know, I just didn't

809
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: know how to tell you. I didn't want to lose you.

810
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: I thought about it every day. I took him back. Okay,

811
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: we continue to date that year. End of the year again,

812
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: I get a phone call multiple times. Person calls, hangs up, calls,

813
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: hangs up, get the phone call. Finally she's like, listen,

814
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: this is SO and So's. You know, I keep trying

815
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: not to say names. I'm so and So's baby mama.

816
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I need to know the status of your relationship. And

817
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, she's bold enough to call me.

818
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to give her some true answers. And so

819
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I tell her my relationship. He's my boyfriend. She says, well,

820
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: how can that be? He's my boyfriend, and we kind

821
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: of hash it out. He gets mad at me. Somehow,

822
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: I still take him back. Fast forward for um, I

823
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: know this girl I just heard in the background. I

824
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: take him back, but not the same way like I

825
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: dated other people. Whatever. But anyways, one day I just

826
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: call him. It's like a normal Wednesday, and I get

827
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: the message, the number you've reached is no longer in service.

828
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: And I thought changed. Okay, the baby mama did it? Yeah,

829
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay, maybe this is a mistake. I

830
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: called like ten times, same message. That was it. So

831
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: he disappeared and together now they had another kid. So

832
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: two years later I run into him. He tells me

833
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: he didn't know how to leave me, so he that's

834
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: the only way he could cut me off. He wanted

835
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: a family unit for his kids. And they had another kid.

836
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: And I literally talked to him like last week and

837
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: he has they're having another child. Oh my gosh, we're

838
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: cool now. But what I realized and this is what

839
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I've learned in ghosting stories. And maybe you felt this

840
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: way after you were ghosted. Is that if I really

841
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: think about that, the two years where I hadn't talked

842
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: to my ghost, I truly could not have a serious

843
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: relationship because I kept I kept wondering, is this something

844
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: I did? Is there something wrong with me? Definitely brings

845
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: out all of your insecurities. Whenever you get ghosted, you like,

846
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: what is wrong with me? And then you're scared that

847
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: somebody else is gonna ghost you next, Like you're going

848
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: to make somebody else not like you that much that

849
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: they just randomly stop talking to you. It's like I said,

850
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: it's very harmful to everyone involved. Yeah, it's not good

851
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: for if you're the ghoster. It's not good for your

852
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: mental health either. No, to view, people are so disposable,

853
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: and I think that sometimes the ghosters like, Okay, I

854
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: know why I ghosted, and I've moved on with my life,

855
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: But you've left this other person who's just stuck in

856
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: this place, and so I just don't understand why you

857
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: can't have those short, hard conversations really quickly so everyone

858
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: can close that chapter and move on. It's just really,

859
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: really sad, and it's even sadder that, you know, like

860
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: we said, it's so prevalent, you got all these people around.

861
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: This is why people can't have good relationships. Oh yeah,

862
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the Bachelor? Oh? Absolutely all these people

863
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: have probably been ghosted. They're damaged and they just need

864
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: to close these chapters that ghost me. Did I get

865
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: ghosted my Colton Underwood? I was like, who's cocoa? Oh?

866
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeahs no, Actually he had the tough conversation with me. Um,

867
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: I got that closure. Yeah, the Bachelor doesn't allow you

868
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: to technically ghost people. True, you know, it's it's you

869
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: might not understand why you got sent home, but at

870
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: least you get you know, you didn't get a rose.

871
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be that person that just left

872
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: without telling anyone, Like, didn't even tell the lead was

873
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: just like all right bye, guys, just like walks out

874
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: of there. Now. You know they would have sat you

875
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: in seedynion at the reunion and make you say your peace.

876
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I wouldn't have got away from it. Don't

877
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: get off that easily on the show. I'll be like,

878
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I ghost to the Bachelor. There's no big deal.

879
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: You know what someone's probably gonna do that. Oh, I'm

880
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: sure that they will. There's gonna be someone who's gonna

881
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: think that they're too good for the show and want

882
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: to ghost him. But you know what, guys, it's harmful.

883
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: People are hurting. Well. Do you think that you bring

884
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: up an interesting point also when it comes to the show.

885
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: Do you think that some people and if I really

886
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: think about it, I could probably name them. Some people

887
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: know Jordan. This is a conversation we actually talked about

888
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast Jordan on Paradise when he had that

889
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: fight with Christian. It was kind of like you knew

890
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: Nicole was into Christian and Clay more than you you

891
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: knew you probably weren't going to get a rose. Did

892
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: you create this storyline in this dramas just so you

893
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: could have some type of airtime on television? I wonder

894
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: if when you say people will come on, you can

895
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: say people will, but if somebody came on just to

896
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: ghost the lead, just to have a storyline because they

897
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: know that they're not going to make it far. Do

898
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: you think that that's becoming a trend where people are

899
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: doing just enough to create a storyline on the show.

900
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I think that people probably

901
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and it's eat like, you know

902
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: what you can do to get airtime, Like I mean,

903
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: going and messing up somebody's pinata. You know that that's

904
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: going to make great TV. I think that it all

905
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: comes down to like here for the wrong reasons kind

906
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: of thing. I think that you know, go on the

907
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: show for fun, they go open for love, open for sure.

908
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're not there for one hundred percent the

909
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: right reasons whatever, but be open to love and take

910
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: the lead seriously because they're there to find their person.

911
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: So you need to respect that. You're gonna have some

912
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: fun along the way, but don't make it so much

913
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: about yourself. I feel like absolutely, And do you not

914
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: see that that's fleeting? I mean, so, okay, so you

915
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: have you're talked about for a week because of what

916
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: you did, but a new group of people are going

917
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: to come in and no one's gonna talk about you.

918
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: They're gonna remember you for that stupid thing that you did,

919
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Like there's really no success in doing that. You weren't

920
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: the lead, but at one time you were considered. You know,

921
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: you were in the running. There's no secret you were

922
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: in the running. For Bachelorette, And I remember talking to

923
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: you one time and you said that you didn't really

924
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: think that that was for you. Do you feel like,

925
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: even though you weren't the lead, you're best friends with

926
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: the lead. Do you feel like you have a better

927
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: understanding of the process, maybe of what went down during

928
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Colton's season versus or not versus, but what went down

929
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: during Colton's season because you see what Hannah's gone through. Yeah,

930
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I feel like I know so much

931
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: more about the whole lead situation in general, because you

932
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: just that person is like a mystery to you. You know,

933
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: You're like, what are they doing all day? Like what

934
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: are they thinking? What are the producers telling them? Like

935
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: you just wonder what's really going on. I'm like, whenever

936
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: we're all hanging out here at the mansion, is he sleeping?

937
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: What's he doing? Like you know, and so getting like

938
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: some insight on that is so interesting And the most

939
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that you really, you know, learning from Hannah,

940
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: like you really know your top few people within the

941
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: first couple episodes, like you already know. So it's just

942
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see who all like, you know, it's

943
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of strung along to make a good season. But really,

944
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: the whole time, they knew who they liked, they knew

945
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: who was in their top like four. Probably I was

946
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: the biggest Rachel fan, Like, seriously, you were my favorite. Oh, listen,

947
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: I was a fan of you on Colton season. Like

948
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: the moment you came out, I was like, follow, this

949
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: girl's funny. I love funny people. I love hanging around them,

950
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: and you've been so funny on the podcast. Thank you

951
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: for being here these past couple of weeks. It's been

952
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: so much fun. Oh. I love getting to sit here

953
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: and chat with you. This is so much fun. And

954
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: you guys, in the meantime, you can get all the

955
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: latest batter news on batternation dot com right now. And

956
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. Tell us what you

957
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: like and what you don't like. Give us your opinion

958
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: about Demmy. She's been on the last couple of episodes.

959
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think about Demmy being

960
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: on the show. If you want more of her on

961
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: the show, let me know. You can email us at

962
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: happy hour at batchternation dot com or batternation dot com

963
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: and click podcast