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Speaker 1: and this is the Betel Cast. Will make a fan

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Speaker 1: excited to embrace their role as father's it's men's father

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00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: figures showing up for and prioritizing their daughter, and it's

422
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: about the beauty of non traditional family's. So I was like, Okay, this,

423
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: I can kind of use some of these as sort

424
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: of the basis that's I think that that's maybe a

425
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: little bit too nice, but but definitely all of those

426
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: are grounded in what happens in the movie. And on

427
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: the oh serious note, this is like one of those

428
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: weird movies that I feel like these kinds of movies

429
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: always do so well internationally because like a lot of

430
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: movies we've been covering recently, there are hints of female

431
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: empowerment and sex positivity, but the conclusion of the movie

432
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: is always very heteronormative of like we're getting married and

433
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: like literally every woman given attention in the story. So

434
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm like kind of counting out, uh, Fleshheads friends because

435
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: I really want to see them at the beginning, and

436
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: they're not the second one. They're they're not yeah, like

437
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: they're they like they're not really characters, but like the

438
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: four main women, Amanda Meryl Christine, Ron Weasley's mom, right,

439
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: those are their character names and all of them by

440
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: the end, and I was like, oh, maybe Ron Weasley's

441
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: mom will get to be single, but they don't. I mean,

442
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: every single one of those women ends up with a guy,

443
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: or it's implied that they're going to end up with

444
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: a guy, and there's all an there's a song for

445
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: all of them about how they're gonna end up with

446
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: a guy. Meryl, who is like the most sex positive

447
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: character in the movie, is you know, married to But

448
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like I feel like it

449
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: goes in the right direction. And then at the end

450
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: it just reached us kind of the obvious hetero normative conclusion. Well,

451
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're forgetting called Firth does say he's gay

452
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and end up with a man hetero that's true. That yeah,

453
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: that's true. And I also will say a bone to

454
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: pick with that tweet is that stolen scars guards the

455
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: whole end of movie arc here is that he's like,

456
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a dad at all. I'm

457
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: not ready for this. That's true. So I don't know

458
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: about the last third guy right right right, But to me,

459
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: instead of run Weasley's mom. She is Mrs Bird from

460
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: Paddington and Paddington two. So that's really how I'm gonna

461
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: classify her. But I'm calling her not Tracy Ullman. Okay,

462
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: everyone has an interesting take on this woman. She she

463
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: is great in this movie, and Christine make the movie

464
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: they really like, give us that. Yeah, I would like

465
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: that movie, but Christine Branski is wonderful. Christine Baranski hints

466
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: at her own semi obvious plastic surgery and one shot

467
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: of this where she pulls her face back the whole

468
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: plot point. Yeah, like making fun of her for all

469
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: the work she's had done. And then when she sees

470
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: a man of cipher, she's like, you probably don't recognize

471
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: me because your face is so different. That's like, can

472
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: we stop subtweeting Christine please? She seems game for it,

473
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: I know, and her back muscles were amazing. I love

474
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: her and The Good Wife and The Good Fight and

475
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: other Grench so Christmas and Chicago and wells an't love

476
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: it all. Both Finger is my favorite movie that she's in.

477
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: So Christine Branski and Mrs Bird, Yeah let's start, are

478
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Donna's two best friends, and they appear again in the

479
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: sequel and then we all love it and shows have

480
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: a great time. I feel like they passed right at

481
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: the top when she's rausing her about the cookbook on

482
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: the boat, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of their

483
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: stuff does. So yeah, it's a great female friendship. I think, Um,

484
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: there's really nothing coming between them. They're all like, well,

485
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: why didn't you tell us about like who? But other

486
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: than that, there's like not that much tension in the

487
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: story between them. It's just like all positivity. They had.

488
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: The few conflicts that come up sort of end with

489
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: the other two like lifting her up where there are

490
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: times where and this didn't even totally miss for me,

491
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: but like when Donna Merrill occasionally expresses like regret or

492
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: shame or feeling bad about herself or fearing that her

493
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: daughter will judge her because her daughter is sort of

494
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: like more conservative and traditional than her mom is. But

495
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: every time that happens, her two friends are like, no,

496
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: you're great, like you were so hot and fun and

497
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: then they sing dancing Queen and anytime like my earl's

498
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: feeling like, they do the friend thing and they're like, no,

499
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: you're you're the best, and you fucked so much and

500
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: we thought that was awesome. Yeah, you raw dogged hard summer.

501
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: And then and then Meryl's like, you know what, I

502
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: did raw dog a lot that summer. And then she

503
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: starts to dance on the bed and I was like

504
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: this rules. Yeah. So it's like women uplifting other women.

505
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: That's very nice dancing. I don't think it mentions young,

506
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: does it? Yeah? I think I think a lot of

507
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: it does. At least they're exchanges that do. But it's

508
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: weird because like in this movie, they give random characters

509
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: they I love how they it's such everything as a

510
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: reach in terms of contextualizing it. Where the end of Honey, Honey,

511
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: where it's like all about her mom sucking, at the end,

512
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: it's like, but I wish I had a daddy. At

513
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: the end, you're just like they missed me with that.

514
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I think that is one of the big problems that

515
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I have with this movie is that it's a story

516
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: driven by Sophie desperately knee to know who her father

517
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: is and feeling emptiness because she does not have a

518
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: father in her life. I think Sophie is like my

519
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: least favorite character in the movie's she super sucks. Not

520
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: that it's like fiance is like I don't really want

521
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: to get married, can we please not? And her mom's like, hey,

522
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And she's like, fuck you,

523
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm around. I'm establishing a ruse here. This is the

524
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: lamest parent trap ever. It's like, I literally is. And

525
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: that's not to say like if you don't know who

526
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: one of your parents is, it's okay that that could

527
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: bother you. Like that's logical, that's fine. But the way

528
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: she goes about it just you know, she's like, oh,

529
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: this is the key, and that's not really thoroughly challenged. Yeah.

530
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I think her like she said something like I need

531
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I need to know who my dad is in order

532
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: to feel complete. Direct quote from the movie is that

533
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a part of me missing. And

534
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: I think at one point Sky, her fiance, says something

535
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: like no, you, like you just need to figure your

536
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: own self out, Like knowing who you're dad isn't going

537
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: to like help you find yourself. Like you have to

538
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: find yourself because you already have a family, right, Yeah,

539
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: So like that, but I think that's the extent to

540
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: which that goes challenged. The end, her whole arc is

541
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: realizing the air of her ways. She ends up why

542
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: did I need a dad? I've had you this whole time,

543
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: you give me away at the wedding. But then it's

544
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: also like why do I need a dad? I have

545
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: three dads now, So it's like I feel like the

546
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: message wasn't like my mom was enough the whole time.

547
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: It was like wedding, yeah, but then the monk gets married.

548
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know well again, so so much in this

549
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: movie doesn't make like characters reactions to things often don't

550
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: make sense, but the story is written that way to

551
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: serve the next song that's coming up, So like I

552
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: feel like a discussion that we would like usually have

553
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: in an episode like this, we're just like, well, it

554
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: doesn't even make any sense, Like he didn't make it,

555
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Like it's just a series of setups for another avid song.

556
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: But but like building a movie around the theme of

557
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: like the very regressive giving away, like one man gives

558
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: you a way to another man, and it's like, no,

559
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: my mom going to give me away to another man.

560
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: But then but then she doesn't get married. I think

561
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: Scott should dump her personally because she's not awesome. It

562
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, Sky's here, He's got his Squarespace account.

563
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: He seems to really care about her. He's helpful, he

564
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: goes along with her family, and she's always like I'm

565
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: scamming people and I'm mad and I'm yelling at my mom. Yeah,

566
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: she is like rather than like just talking to anyone

567
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: about what's troubling her, Like, instead of being like, hey, mom,

568
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: could you maybe give me a little more information about

569
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: who my father might be, she like steals her diary

570
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: reads it, which is like a huge violation of her

571
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: mom's privacy. Then goes through the trouble of like inviting

572
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: those guys, like she doesn't know how those relationships like

573
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: panned out or like how they ended, like they might

574
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: have like who knows. Now she actually knows that Sam

575
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: like cheated on his fiance with her mom and that's

576
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: how they watched things and she invited him anyway, that's right. Yeah,

577
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: that's really mean to your mom. It's very selfish what

578
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: she's doing, Like instead of because and maybe I really

579
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: because there were some moments of watching this movie where

580
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: I was just smiling so much so I don't think

581
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: I was fully listening. Does she ever reference ever being

582
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: like and I asked my mom who my father was,

583
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: and she said, no, I'm never going to tell you,

584
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: and that's why she's scamming. At the very beginning, she

585
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: says something to the effect that Donna had told her like, oh,

586
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: it was just a summer romance and that's all. She's like,

587
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: and I came to accept that that's all I'd ever know.

588
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: And then when she finds this diary, she's like, oh,

589
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: I can use this to like piece together the puzzle,

590
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: but it is supposed to be and reveal at the

591
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: end at the altar when real strips like I don't

592
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: know which one it is that's supposed to be news,

593
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: but like de dot, you don't know, Like how about

594
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: a surprise? Like we put that together as viewers in

595
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the first scene there it is weird. I don't know.

596
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean to an extent like you're saying, Caitlin, like

597
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: tearing apart. The plot of this movie is like pointless.

598
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: It is fun, but it is also pointless. But yeah,

599
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: like the thing it was like she could she's she's

600
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: an adult, she could go up to her mom and

601
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: be like, Hey, I'm getting married, and I'm like sorry,

602
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: if this makes you uncomfortable, you don't have to answer.

603
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: But like do you know who my father is? We're

604
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: led to believe they have a good relationship, but I

605
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: will say we see them together very little, and when

606
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: they are together, there's like seems to do some animosity

607
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: between each other because it seems like Donna disapproves of

608
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: this wedding and of her getting married to Sky. She

609
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: for sure does, yeah, but then it's all remedied with

610
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: slipping through my fingers. That's like the big moment of like, fuck,

611
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't want you to grow up. That's

612
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: what this really is. I love you, and she's like

613
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: really here. I did like that. I don't know. I

614
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: like that scene. It made me cry. And anything about

615
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: Mama that made you cry, Yeah, I cried when rail

616
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: strip cannonballed off the dock in the fake SloMo like

617
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: they couldn't afford to hire frame rate what the book was?

618
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Just like that passes the beds, A cannonball passes the lady,

619
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: throwing her sticks in the air and joining the dancing

620
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: congo line. That passes. Yes, does she come back in

621
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: the second movie? I feel like there's a quick reference

622
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: to her. She doesn't the oh my god, but there

623
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: is the just to close the leap on the mother

624
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: daughter relationship. It is weird and all over the place,

625
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: as is all of this movie. I did like at

626
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: the end where one of the few coherent themes of

627
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: this was Meryl straight fearing being judged by her own

628
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: daughter for past promiscuity. That is like a definite thing

629
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: that we know that she's worried about her daughter learning

630
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: about and passing Jack. And I do close that loop,

631
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: like right before the fucking nuts wedding not wedding scene

632
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: where Meryl like kind of directly asked her like She's like,

633
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and like, do you hate me because I

634
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: funk a lot? Which is passive aggressive, but and then

635
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: was like, no, you can funk whoever you are, and

636
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: you have my mom. I think she even says you

637
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: can have sex with a hundred people and I wouldn't care.

638
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: And the priest is like, yeah, I know. I was

639
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, did you fuck the priest?

640
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: But but it seems nice And and then Amanda sy

641
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: freeds like you give me away? And then I did, right,

642
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: and oh dude, then you're gonna ball on the second one. No,

643
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: I I do like I know that you don't like

644
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: wedding culture. I like, I love I love country, I

645
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: like looking at every never. Well, let's take a quick

646
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: break and then we'll be right back with my hot

647
00:37:44,360 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: takes about wedding wish Welcome back. Everyone knows the meat.

648
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh I really quickly, I do want to say about

649
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: So here are my problems with weddings, and then we

650
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: can move on to something else. M r as are

651
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: about to slide it in. Get ready. Well, you know what,

652
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: if m r as don't hate us, then we're not

653
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: We're not doing a good job, I think. So weddings,

654
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: traditional hetero weddings are steeped in pretty sexist traditions where

655
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, my daughter is property and I the father,

656
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: have to give her literally away, right, I have to

657
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: give you four hundred goats to get rid of this fit.

658
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: So the fact that we maintain that tradition in contemporary

659
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: weddings is really baffling to me. That's another thing that

660
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: made me not like Sophie, because I don't I don't

661
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: have a problem with what I mean. I understand that

662
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: wedding culture and marriage is inherently patriarchal and and regressive,

663
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: but Sophie's character is like, it's so weird where this

664
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: is this was the amount where I was like Sky

665
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: should dump her where basically he calls her out where

666
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: and I hate taking on then side on literally anything,

667
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: but I am sort of like team Sky on this

668
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: one because he also says that he's like, listen, I

669
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to get married and I put my life

670
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: on hold because I love you, and this is what

671
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: you said you wanted. And now it turns out that

672
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: you were just throwing a big fucking parent trap that

673
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me. And she's like, so

674
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: that love me, and he was like, no, I do,

675
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: but why did you turn this thing into a parent trap?

676
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: And you spent all our money on a parent trap?

677
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: And that's frustrating. That's a frustrating quality in a mate

678
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: much like Disney's The Parent Trap, where Lindsay Lohan, one

679
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: of the characters, is like, I'm not going to be

680
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: complete until I've met my father because a daddy is

681
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: such a crucial part of a girl's life. And it

682
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: like that movie still goes both ways where it's also

683
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: parent to desire in this movie, like she already has

684
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: a very strong bond with her mother. She has seems

685
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: like good relationships with her mother's friends is unclear how

686
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: often she sees them every time do you remember me?

687
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: But it seems like between Sophie's mom and Sky, she

688
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: has at least a couple of loving relationships. So it's

689
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: just a little unclear to me why she feels so

690
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: empty and so incomplete by not knowing who her dad is.

691
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: And again that might that's her. Like, I wouldn't want

692
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: to make anyone like if I mean, I don't I

693
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to grow up with both my parents,

694
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't know what it's like to have a

695
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: missing parent, and like it sounds like there's a level

696
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: of trauma for that for depending on who you are.

697
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Based on Star Wars, I think it's a pretty big deal. Yeah, exactly.

698
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: And if we are using that as her yard stick, now,

699
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people, though, who grew up with

700
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: a single parent and they don't seem to be pining,

701
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: But did they not know who their other parent is?

702
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Because I think that's the component that seems to be

703
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: key in Star Wars and was my parents two yardsticks there?

704
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: I just I just like I wouldn't want to like

705
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: shame anyone for like, because I think that that is

706
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: a rational feeling, but the way the story plays it

707
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: out is a little bit it doesn't challenge. Yeah, I

708
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: understand the feeling. What I think I'm bothered by is

709
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: her explaining that she feels incomplete, like she needs a

710
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: man in her life as a father figure, and not

711
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: having that makes her feel incomplete. Like the the implication

712
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: is me, as a woman, in order to feel complete,

713
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: there needs to be a male presence there, and that's

714
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: what is like I'm having trouble with. I didn't get that.

715
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think technically it's probably true on paper,

716
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: but I sense that it was as a matter of

717
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: I want to know who both my parents are. It

718
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: didn't feel inherently like because she never even says like

719
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: no one was there to teach me how to change

720
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: a tire, Like there was no allusion to like I

721
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: need a man like. I really didn't get that. And

722
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: from when I got from Sky, it sounds like they

723
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: met while he was traveling and he just like stopped

724
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: on an island was like, Hey, I'm gonna stay I guess,

725
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: and marry her. Yeah. So like I get the sense

726
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: that it's always been her and her mom, and that's

727
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: not been an issue, but now that she's getting married,

728
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I kind of do want to know

729
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: who my dad is, though right I don't know the

730
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: female stuff so strong in this movie. I didn't really

731
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: feel like it was a matter of like we need

732
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: man And in fact, Christine's storyline to me was like

733
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. She's like, I just want to fuck

734
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: and I don't care about man. I it's it's weird

735
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: where this whole story is weird. I don't prograbe someone

736
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: for wanting to know who about their parents are, but

737
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: it is like, I do see what you're saying, Caitlin,

738
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: with like the feeling of and I feel like Meryl

739
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Streep's character even kind of articulates this a little bit

740
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: of like I understand that you want to know who

741
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: your dad is, but it does make me feel bad

742
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: that you feel such a gaping hole in your life

743
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: when I tried really hard, but they sort of seemed

744
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: to resolve that by the end. And then there's a

745
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep has a great line, even though the storyline

746
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really end up reflecting it at all. But like

747
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: when I guess like Pierce Browsnon is supposed to be

748
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: her one true love, which is I've never seen less

749
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: chemist stream between two people in my whole life than

750
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: Meryl Stream and Pierce brawsnon howling like wolverines at the

751
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: top of a Grecian mountain to what's the fucking song?

752
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: But it's like a really that shot is also impressive.

753
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: I will say that is a good shot. It's a

754
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: good shot. But Pierce Browson and Meryl Streep are so

755
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: physically far away from each other and singing and not

756
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: making and they re arranged it. I hate it. They

757
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: don't abandon but the pierced thing. Okay, so she sees

758
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: him again and it took me a while to figure

759
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: out he was the true love, which it makes sense,

760
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: but anyways, I didn't. I didn't figure it out until

761
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: he's like, He's like, I've loved you this whole Like

762
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: to me, there's nothing that really clearly indicates it's journal.

763
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: That's why they make called Firth game because it's like,

764
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: let's just take him off the table so you don't

765
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: feel bad for him. Car Scard's a drunk, he's a

766
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: man the whole time, like I don't want to be here,

767
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave. And then Ron Weasley's moms like, no,

768
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: you ate because cars kind of feel like disappears from

769
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: the movie for a solid forty minutes. I forgot I

770
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: was here. I wanted to see a quivering There's something

771
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: about Colin Firth w It's like it just always he's

772
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: acting like he's always someone's just throwing a bucket of

773
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: water out to him, or he's just quivering. That's why

774
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: he had like a bad way though. Right, I'm just like,

775
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: you're so I'm going to fix You're going to fix you,

776
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you poor puppy. But Meryl and Pearce are having some

777
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: sort of confrontation and you're like, sure, we're doing this,

778
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: but she's said like he's like, what you didn't And

779
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: none of the men say anything outright misogynists, but they're

780
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: sort of like Meryl streeps magical vagina makes anyone fall

781
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: in love with her for decades, like it's just a thing,

782
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: And can you imagine knowing someone for a week twenty

783
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: years ago and still considering them like a viable part

784
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: of her dingy and watch my daughter get married. He's like,

785
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: why didn't call him for it? Even go? But anyway,

786
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: she says, I love being on my own. I wake

787
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: up every morning and I thank God for not having

788
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: a middle aged menopozzle man blah blah blah, and I'm

789
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: single and it's great, which is great, but when she's

790
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: saying it, you can tell that she's like, she doesn't

791
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: really feel that way. Well, then she sings money money

792
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: and talks about how much she wants to just marry

793
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: a rich man. This is actually and they do another

794
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: Titanic reference, do they? I mean, no one's holding her,

795
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: but she's doing she just love Titanic in that's her

796
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm the King of the World moment is so weird too,

797
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: because that number starts with her breaking one of her

798
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: own windows, and then she goes down to pick up

799
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: the window, and then people start throwing money and you're like,

800
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: what are they giving again? It's like this recoursing they

801
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: do for one third of the movie and they're like,

802
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: never mind. There was like we're Greek people only available

803
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: for because there's sometimes where her like hotel whatever it

804
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: is seems full of people and employees, guests not sure,

805
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: and then other times where it's abandoned because the squirre

806
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: space has taken a while. Oh wait, there is a

807
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: full on blooper just in the middle of the scene

808
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: that they keep in there. It was just like they

809
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: did one take. It's when um Christine Bransky, Meryl Streep

810
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: and Mrs Bird. Christine's like, oh, I know that you're

811
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: going to make a fortune with webs. Webs. Oh no,

812
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: she meant to say Sky's website, but she says webs

813
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: and then they like make fun of her for and

814
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: like it's clear that it was like not in the script,

815
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: and she just like bloopered the hell out of that,

816
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: and then love script really yeah, was like I know,

817
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: the exact scene on the bench like drinking in the morning,

818
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, they're like really good at

819
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: seeming authentic. Maybe she's that good. I don't know, why

820
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: would she Why would that that serve no purpose? Like

821
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I think there was just establishing friendship. I don't know.

822
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: It seemed like a really good choice to me. I

823
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: was like, I believe it now. Well then, I mean

824
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: because they laughed together and they're like, I'm pretty sure

825
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: that's a blooper and they just left it in. But

826
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I would say that most of the like explicitly problematic

827
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: things that get said or like moments in the movie

828
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: come in the form of an Abba song where like

829
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the one you were talking about, where she was like,

830
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: all I want to do is just find a rich

831
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: man to marry to take care of me. And it's

832
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: like that's not really what's not And then I felt

833
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: okay and not to stand out for like I thought

834
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: the nature that that number was kind of playful and dumb,

835
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and in context I don't think I wasn't like, oh,

836
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: this is sending a bad message because she didn't really

837
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: mean it, and everything she says afterwards indicates that she

838
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't really mean it. She's like, yeah, I'd be great

839
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: if someone just like gave me a ton of fucking money.

840
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: I say that all the time, though I'm always like, yeah,

841
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: I wish that some loser would give me a billion

842
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: dollars so I could do whatever the funk I want. Well,

843
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that, unlike a lot of movies

844
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: we covered, there's no like explicitly problematic things that get

845
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: said throughout the course of the movie except four and

846
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: songs that are thirty years old. Like there's another moment

847
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: rter On where it's when Sky is singing and he's

848
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: all like, I'm possessive and every man I see is

849
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: a potential threat. Yeah, that's the porno scene. That's that's

850
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: where they're fully fun on the beach. But he's basically

851
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: saying it's kind of like Babba Boy's problem, right, Like

852
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: that's ABBA's problem and not the Movi. It makes no

853
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: sense for his ark or their storyline at all. I

854
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: think he just couldn't shoehorn in that song. So they're like,

855
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, this guy can't sing at all. There's

856
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of God when they're like, let's send Baranski

857
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: and Weasley's mom acapella. We ran out of studio musicians. Listen,

858
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: the guy with the zylophone sick. They're gonna have to

859
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: go acapella today. They also to the top of super Trooper.

860
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: The outfits and super Trooper are from Ricky in the

861
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: flash that. I was very excited because when we talked

862
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: about it the other day, Kail and You're like, I

863
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: know it's in the first it's in one of them,

864
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: but I don't remember which one. And I was like, oh,

865
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I hope the first one, and it is the first one,

866
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's back in the second one for the

867
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: credit sequence. The credit sequences in both movies are worth

868
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: a watch. Super Trooper is great, especially because the men

869
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: wear them too, and they kind of have this like

870
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: sheepist expression, like they're like this is kind of gay,

871
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: huh boys, but like they love it anyway. They have

872
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: like a no, yeah, okay, but it's like barely there.

873
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: And I feel like usually that's all that's there. When

874
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you put straight men in like full on jumpsuits with

875
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: frilly sleeves, that is such like an international movie, I mean,

876
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: and I think that that is something we don't talk

877
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot about on this podcast that does make a

878
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: difference where it's like this movie was hugely let me

879
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: let me look up exactly how hugely successful, but it was.

880
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: It was a big international movie. And I feel like

881
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: with movies that are intended to do really well internationally,

882
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: it is very frequently like they will only hint at

883
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: progressiveness and they won't go all the way out because

884
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: they're like, well, then China will not show it in theaters.

885
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: You need in terms of like having like Harry be

886
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: identifiably queer in the movie, although he does not kiss

887
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: his partner at the end, the only hugs. It's very

888
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: weird it's like that where it's like by the end

889
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: of this movie, all the hetero people are literally soaking

890
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: wet and fucking and they're talking and the same the

891
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: same with and this goes into like what we were

892
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: talking about yesterday with like the vague like nineties two

893
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: thousands still sometimes now like you go girl freedom and

894
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: progressiveness and you know, like pro woman stuff. But then

895
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: also you still have to get married at the end.

896
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: And that's I don't know. I mean that those are

897
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: the movies that do well internationally, right because I mean

898
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: that's just like the Hollywood narrative, you know, is not

899
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: a hit in China. I would throw in the mix

900
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: to that theory that perhaps musicals just do well internationally

901
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: because that's it's a visual thing. There's less nuance lost

902
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: in translation, and that's jobbing and stuff. This movie costs

903
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: fifty two million dollars, made six hundred fifteen million dollars. Dude,

904
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: why don't we have eight mama? I know it made

905
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: a ton of money, but like with Harry's character, there's

906
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: a scene where he tries to come out to build

907
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: there in the boat and he's trying to come out

908
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: and then they ends up there talking about different things,

909
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: and then I thought he wasn't trying to come out.

910
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was trying to tell him about Sophie

911
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: and Stone Scars. Guards thinking he's trying to come out,

912
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: and then they throw in the actual thing is like

913
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: a bit almost. It's unclear exactly because I interpreted as

914
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: him trying to come out. Maybe I don't know. It's

915
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: it's very unclear. But in any case, at the very

916
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: end he does he's like, oh no, I have a

917
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: reason to say, and he looks to like this handsome

918
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: guy who's like sitting at the wedding, and then they

919
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: have a hug at the end, but yeah, like a

920
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: light hug. Right, So it's it's representation on screen of

921
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: an identifiably queer person, but it's so glossed over and

922
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 1: we don't Yeah, we don't get to see a kiss.

923
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: We don't, but because we do get to see Bill

924
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: and Mrs Bird kiss a lot, which I do enjoy

925
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: that it's like old Usually we don't see older people

926
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: like get to be sexual on screen, like I wish

927
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: we would a more. Made me so horny. Oh my god,

928
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: that that wild scene that with the pigeont I was

929
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: fucking wet dude. But when we're Baranski is like in

930
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: a beach full of young people and it's like I

931
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: could fuck all of you, and like that's the whole song.

932
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: She's just kind of like wanting to fund a whole

933
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: beach full of people, not going to date any of you.

934
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah we will only that's great. And then there's that

935
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: one day in particular, who seems to be really into her.

936
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: She blows, she does suck him. Yeah, she sucked him

937
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: on the batchelbat party night, and then the next morning

938
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, how about it. She's like, no, no, no,

939
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: I was drunk. We're not talking about is that you

940
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: need to know? He does, but she actually ties a

941
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: towel into a diaper around him instead to show that

942
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: he's a baby. It's a big mystery. He is the

943
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: same man that says now baby right, that's his first

944
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: auction into the film, in case you were trying to

945
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: track it. Well. So so he's like a good two

946
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: to three decades younger than he's I'm pretty sure like seven. Yeah,

947
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: he's extremely and again unclear how old like Meryl and

948
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: her friends are, because it's that would have to be

949
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: when happened unclear, but yeah, so we see like Christie

950
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: being romantically involved with a much younger guy. Usually we

951
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: don't see that in movies. Usually it's Tom Cruise who's

952
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: fifty five, and then you know a woman who's twenty five,

953
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: or you know, any combination of older actors and much

954
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: younger Meryl might even be older than Pierce. I think

955
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Meryl sixty nine. She don't know how old pierces. I

956
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: want to say, like sixty three. She's older than all

957
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: three of her love interests in this movie. She's born

958
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: forty nine. I think that respectively. I don't know who

959
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: is who, but it's like fifty three sixty. Colin Firth

960
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: is eleven years younger than her. So uh, fucking swish

961
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: for Meryl and then wish for Colin first. I mean,

962
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: everyone wins, right, we're right in this funk pile, we

963
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: all holes a hole and then the funk pile between

964
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Mrs Bird, whose character's name is actually Rosie Rosie and

965
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: t right. Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's um right. But

966
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Rosie is going after her bill and aggressive, very aggressively,

967
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: Like if the genders were reversed, we'd be freaked out. Yeah,

968
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: so she's pursuing him, and again, he don't often see

969
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: a woman pursuing, especially that she actually gets him and

970
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: she gets him because he like, usually if a woman

971
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: is pursuing, it's to be like creepy, gross, hag, won't

972
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: leave me alone. But it's actually like she knows what

973
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: she wants. They can kiss a lot, and they're like,

974
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: she does have to chase it around the entire villa first,

975
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: and you have a near death experience, but it pays off. Again,

976
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: we can't there's so much of this movie that we

977
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: can't really take a phase value because nothing makes sense

978
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's so silly and nothing makes sense. But the

979
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: things that do happen, it's like, okay, like older people

980
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: like being sexual. That's pretty cool. An older woman and

981
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: a younger guy like, that's pretty cool. Harry. I want

982
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: to go back to Harry and like Harry Headbanger. Of course,

983
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: Harry Headbanger, Like I get it. They have to appeal

984
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: to international markets and it's two thousand eight, you know

985
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: this is still a time where and not to say

986
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: that couldn't win American at all, it was at different times.

987
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: So it's really only like a tiny glimpse or a

988
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: hint of queerness, whisper a whisper of a whisper of queerness.

989
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: Because we spent so much time on like Bill and

990
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: Mrs Bird. Mrs Bird like picking up Bill with her

991
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: talents because she's a literal bird. But I don't know, um,

992
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: And we spend a lot of time on Sam and

993
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Donna ending up together at the end, but we can't

994
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: spend any time on Harry exploring his sexuality. Well, I

995
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: feel like it's not dealt with horribly, but it's like

996
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: to an extent, And I'm sure, and I haven't seen

997
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 1: the musical, but I would wager guess that this would

998
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: be even more agreed just in the musical, just because

999
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: it's older that him being queer is almost like a punchline,

1000
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: just to take him out of the running, as it

1001
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: were for Meryl's heart. Um, but I don't know, I

1002
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: even seen a musical and I don't remember how that

1003
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: plays out, but I want to see it. Yeah, So

1004
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: what we have liked to have seen more than what

1005
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: we're given? Sure? Is that a question? Is that real question?

1006
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: I would always like to see more queerness, right, I

1007
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: will not rest until every single person, both actors and

1008
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: characters are queer movies. Imagine how awesome and all queer

1009
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: person of MoMA Meo would be. It would be it

1010
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: basically is, so why not just let it be? You know, Yes,

1011
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: I want to three between Mrs Weasley. Yeah, it should

1012
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: be like a young trans person who's like, I want

1013
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: to know which like sperm donor like only to see

1014
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: it if I'm going to get Alzheimer's right, very practical. Yeah,

1015
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: that should be the story. And I also want to

1016
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: talk about how the reviews for this movie versus Mama

1017
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Mia Here we Go Again. On run Tomatoes, it only

1018
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: got a fifty fresh so critical audio not critics. So

1019
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: critics did not especially like this movie was about half

1020
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and half where they were like, it's okay and the

1021
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: other ones were like boo, but MoMA Mia Here we

1022
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: Go Again. As of this recording has an eight percent

1023
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and critics. So people have been

1024
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: pointing that, and it's not. It's not as though Mama

1025
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: Mia Here we Go Again is a much better movie.

1026
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: Would say Mama far worse based alone on the fact

1027
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: that Meryl Streep is not really in it was the

1028
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: only Meryl Streep is good in one is because it's

1029
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep. But Mama Me and Here We Go Again

1030
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: does have Fernando in it, making it the better movie.

1031
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I do want to see that movie now,

1032
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: but you have to, I do. Yeah, I mean, now

1033
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: that I've really loved the first one, I'm like, Doubt

1034
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: Too Better be good. You know, if you skip MoMA

1035
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Mia to Doubt to Better be a sucking banger. So

1036
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: the point is people are talking about how it's not

1037
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: as another sequel is any better. It's just that, like

1038
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: the cultural landscape, it's that Donald Trump is president. People

1039
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: need to feel happy more. And I think it's just

1040
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: like critics are a little more tolerant of like a

1041
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: female driven story about a woman who humps a bunch

1042
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: of guys. Okay, humps, that is an attack. I can't

1043
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: believe you just use that word. I love hump. I

1044
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: will leave because like many filmmakers are straight white men,

1045
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: so are many movie critics. So I know, I don't know.

1046
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out the disparity between like

1047
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: the fresh and rotten ratings, like in this ten year

1048
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: between the two movies coming out, and it's not as

1049
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: though the sequel is that much better. I think it's

1050
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: just that we're seeing like a little bit of a

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: shift happening in our landscape. Yeah, I agree that, like

1052
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: the criticism, landscape is shifting. And also there's more like

1053
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: not to two to rown fucking horn. Sorry, but there

1054
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: are more like there are other outlets to to talk

1055
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: about movies now that there weren't in two thousand and eight,

1056
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: including uh you like I mean two that's like o

1057
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: G podcast so and that's like we're first lock in

1058
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: the gates, you know. Yeah, well, I think this movie

1059
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: is my favorite movie. I love to listen. I'm not

1060
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: as saying to say I love to feel good. Yeah,

1061
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: I love a feel good movie. I like to feel good.

1062
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: I can't usually feel the way I feel after watching

1063
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: Mamma Mia or Mama Mia to here we go Again

1064
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: without a lot of drugs or Bubba booty or is

1065
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: that the word that we were for whenever we have

1066
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: to make up or baba. Yeah, this movie makes me

1067
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: ends and I go, well, bub they did go again.

1068
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: This is maybe Meryl's best year. I mean, she's on

1069
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: one hand, in the summer, she's mom, She's Bubba buy Yeah.

1070
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: By winter from winter, she's doubting up a storm, she

1071
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: brings Mama, and then fall is Julia and Julia. That's

1072
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: the Meryl spectrum. Like on a scale of Donna to lady,

1073
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: what's her name, sister Allowish, sister aloishes, listen, I I

1074
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: stand for sister Elowishes. Don't get me wrong, make them

1075
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: voice go local. Thank you for seeing me. That crowns limb.

1076
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: So that's everything I had. I think I have so

1077
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: much more. How we have an hour? How many? fIF

1078
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: three more hours? I would just like to add my

1079
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: one thing that um, women are horny, triple underline horny.

1080
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: That's um. I think that's the thesis of mom and

1081
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: MEA one and momvia to Actually I think so, yeah,

1082
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: I would. I would argue that this movie is, for

1083
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: the most part pretty sex positive. There is a moment

1084
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: where Donna slut shames herself by literally calling herself as

1085
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: and I love self slating. Does that mean masturating? I

1086
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: think I'm a slut for me? No, I like, I

1087
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: mean we're on the hat sluts what top network right now?

1088
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know. The fucking friends immediately are like, no,

1089
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: that sounds like your mom, which betrays the second one,

1090
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: in which the moms share and I think actually share

1091
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: in the universe. I'm not totally sure because she's like

1092
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: in this one. In the first one, they say, a

1093
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: my mom's dead, be my mom was Catholic. She put

1094
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: so much Catholic. You'll tell me that when she found

1095
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: out was pregnant, I wasn't allowed to come home, which

1096
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: is why I'm all in Callicari or whatever the book

1097
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: it's called. And she would she called me a slut

1098
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: when she found out I had sex with strangers. In

1099
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: the new one, she was too much of a rock

1100
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: star to be around. And it's also shared, and she's

1101
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: not dead. I do like that. The setup of Mama

1102
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: Mia one is that Meryl Street was literally marooned on

1103
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: Funk Island for life. That's the caption underneath Mamma Mia

1104
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: and then underneath that semi cool and semi cold and

1105
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: women's get horny too. All that that was when I

1106
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she got pregnant as a very young woman.

1107
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: Her parents didn't understand, and then she began to manage

1108
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: a hotel. What is this Gilmore, girls, Oh, I've never

1109
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: seen it. Women, Thank you so much for funnily saying it.

1110
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: Now we can end the podcast. Actually, I'm not a fan.

1111
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Um, did you have anything else

1112
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: you want to say? We haven't changed your mind. I'm

1113
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: so surprised. I just and I like Abbot. It's not

1114
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: that I don't like Abbat. I like most of the cast.

1115
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm here from Meryl. I'm here. It was weird to

1116
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: me to see Stalin scars Guard as like a romantic

1117
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: interest because he's played a villain in so many movies

1118
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, yeah, you saw Girls of Dragon

1119
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: Tattoos recently. But you know, I'm here for I think

1120
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: the cast is largely made up a very talented people.

1121
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Love Christine Branski, love Mrs Bird and Paddington and Paddington

1122
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: two of course. But I mean, it's just I'm not

1123
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: a big musical person, so I just am not. And

1124
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: really it boils down to the story making no sense.

1125
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: They reverse engineered the story based on Abbas songs and

1126
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: it you can tell. The whole thing feels like a

1127
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: fever dream. It really does. I think it does work

1128
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: better as a staged production. As a movie. Don't think

1129
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: it works as well, But yeah, I don't know. I

1130
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: do think it does have some things going for it.

1131
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: It's largely about female friendship. It's largely about a strong

1132
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: bond between mother and daughter. It mostly promotes sex positivity. Uh,

1133
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: it is about like generally, men like embracing their roles

1134
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: as fathers. And even though they don't know, like even

1135
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: which one of them it is, they're all like, yeah,

1136
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: i'll be your dad, I'll be one third of your daddy.

1137
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: I'll take the stomach. So yeah, I think it. It

1138
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: promotes some positive messages. It's on the right track. It's

1139
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: on the generally, it's on the right track. And then

1140
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: unfortunately a blockbuster movie in two thousand and eight being

1141
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: on the right track is better than most movies. True,

1142
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: does it improve upon any of that and take it

1143
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: even further and more progressive in the sequel? No, I

1144
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: would not say that, But see it for yourselves, everybody.

1145
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Can you believe The Doubt only made fifty million dollars

1146
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: at the box office? I mean it did over double

1147
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: its budgets. I'm gonna say I'm surprised it made that much. Um,

1148
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: it's mostly me that is at least ten million dollar

1149
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: ours is me and my mom going to seat out

1150
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: all the time, like fucking psychics, really working through some

1151
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: ship that that winter. Yeah, I don't know. Well, let's

1152
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: see if it passes the Bechdel tests, shall we. It's

1153
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: a really weak drum roll? Can you hear the drum roll? Fernando,

1154
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: there it is. It's not in this movie. It should be.

1155
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: It's the best, Okay, So yeah, I would say the

1156
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: song where Sophie and her friends Alie and Lisa are

1157
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: talking about being the greatest bestist mates because they all

1158
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: name themselves and they're never seen again, but they don't

1159
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: talk about men. So I would say that passes the

1160
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: Beckte test. There's a few different combos of passing. It

1161
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: passes between Donna and Sophie, it passes between Donna and

1162
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: Rosie and Tanya Um, and I think a couple other

1163
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: combos here. Now, largely the conversations are about men. It's like, okay,

1164
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: who's my daddy or who's my daughter's daddy, or who's

1165
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: who's anybody's daddy. The first couple I caught where between

1166
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: two and four line exchanges. It's not like grabbing long

1167
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: conversations that aren't about because this is sort of a

1168
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, male rooted story, and even when there are

1169
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: good things going on, but it does pass in terms

1170
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: of it being I mean, it's needs should be said.

1171
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: It is an extremely Caucasian movie. Um in Greece. Again,

1172
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm so it is. It's very shitty and typical for

1173
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: for that to be the case. The diversity is to Burnetts.

1174
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: It's literally yeah, it's like, oh, someone not have flesh

1175
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: colored hair. The young guy who Christie Bransky's character sleeps

1176
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: with whets with is the only person of color who

1177
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: has lines. Yeah, I think that that is true. Again,

1178
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: if I need to get my notes back out, let

1179
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: me just remind you what his line is now, Baby,

1180
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: he does have a lot. At least it's a hell

1181
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: of a line. Yes, but yeah, it's a it's a

1182
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: super right movie, which sucks. It does pass the Bechtel test.

1183
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: It has that, surprisingly not as much as you think

1184
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: it would considering it's all female leads. Yeah. Mostly, um,

1185
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: but now they are all talking about either Sam or

1186
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: Bill or Harry or I will chalk that up less

1187
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: to the movie being too male oriented and more to

1188
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 1: the movie having literally zero scenes that aren't exactly forwarding

1189
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: the plot. There's no room to breathe in this entire script. No,

1190
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: because they're like, we need to have five hundred songs.

1191
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: Like the volume of songs is unnecessary so much. I

1192
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: feel like I would love to crunch some numbers and see,

1193
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: like I feel like I had twice the number of songs,

1194
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: like twice the number of songs you would normally like, Yes,

1195
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera moment pounds. There's nine hundred songs

1196
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: in this movie, and they're all strung together by like

1197
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: no more than two lines of dialogue. Yeah of Meryl

1198
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: streeps like, well, that song was great, and Christine Branski

1199
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, but you know it would be even

1200
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: better the next So they're all humping. I um, I

1201
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: think I feel like really oppressed by you being anti hump.

1202
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: I can't handle that word. I'm so sorry hump culture

1203
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: is allowing Jamie, you hacker. I'm personally a humper. I

1204
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: have to the dry home. So you hate marriage. I

1205
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: hate the word up your phone dry. Let's write the

1206
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: movie on our nipple scale, shall we? Uh? We rate

1207
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: it based on its portrayal and representation of women zero

1208
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: to five nipples. I'm gonna I'm like between a two

1209
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: and a two and a half on this one. I think,

1210
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: because even though the movie does have a lot of

1211
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: things going for it in terms of it's like celebration

1212
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,440
Speaker 1: of female friendship and mother daughter relationships and sex positivity,

1213
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: things like that. It is the story deeply rooted and

1214
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: a woman desperately needing a man to make her feel

1215
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: more complete. It is rooted in every female character that

1216
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: we spend any significant amount of screen time with ending

1217
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: up with a man. There is a glimpse of queerness

1218
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: in this movie, but it's so I would say, glossed

1219
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: over that it may as well not even be there,

1220
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Like it's I mean, I wish it was explored much

1221
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: more as far as like character development goes. Like for

1222
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: the movie being about Sophie, she's the protagonist, she's got

1223
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: the main desire and it's her goal that is pushing

1224
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: the story forward, we don't really get to know that

1225
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: much about her, and like her character development is all

1226
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: wonky because again the story makes no sense and her

1227
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: reactions often make no sense because they have to fit

1228
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: in with whatever abba song they decided was next. So

1229
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: I feel, like I would say, I mean Mike countered boy,

1230
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: there be that no characters are super well developed, to

1231
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: the point where the male characters are not developed at all.

1232
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: We know, like one thing about them, and it's that

1233
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: they had sex with Meryl Streep twenty years ago and

1234
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: they can't get over it. Like that's so I think

1235
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: that that's more that it's not a well written story

1236
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: than anything else. But yeah, yeah, so yeah, two and

1237
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: a half nipples from I'll give one to Donna, I'll

1238
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: give one to Christine Baransky, and I'll give one half

1239
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: nipple to Mrs Bird specifically in Paddington Too. I'm gonna

1240
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna be generous here, and I'm gonna give

1241
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: it a three. Obviously, there's virtually no diversity in this

1242
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,799
Speaker 1: movie whatsoever, but it is nice to see, uh story

1243
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: that Fourth Flaws is very empowering towards not just female sexuality,

1244
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: but older women. Uh Like it's okay for older women

1245
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: to be single, to have sex, just not themes you

1246
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: see very often in movies. I think it's really art

1247
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: because who is the prime audience for this movie is

1248
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: like older women, and so having a movie that uplifts them,

1249
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: I feel like almost every time that's done, those types

1250
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: of movies tend to do really well when they're like

1251
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: servicing their audience. So yeah, and then and I agree

1252
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: with everything you're saying this movie it's so and it's

1253
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: just so fun, and Meryl is so good and Christine Barrantki,

1254
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: that's three nipples right there, she has to but there

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Speaker 1: that we know of, I'm giving all three of my

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Speaker 1: nipples to Christine Baranski because I feel like she has

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Speaker 1: an extra like a spare tire. You know, how many

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Speaker 1: nips would you give it? I would say I would

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Speaker 1: give it a full four if there was a single

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Speaker 1: non white woman that got more than one line. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like you can't talk about women and not

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Speaker 1: include not white women at all, So I would say

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Speaker 1: maybe three only because every woman excepts fucking Amanda Cypherd,

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Speaker 1: who we've already said is insufferable in this movie, has

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Speaker 1: also a very established career, like Christine's got a ship

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Speaker 1: ton of money, fucking Mrs Birds, an accomplished cookbook author.

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Speaker 1: People recognize her. Meryl Streep owns her own hotel and

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Speaker 1: works a power drill. Yeah, we get to see her

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Speaker 1: like with a and like yeah with a drill, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's just every woman in this like

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Speaker 1: has a job that she's good at and that's I

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Speaker 1: don't think, and they're not depict it as like workhorse,

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Speaker 1: bitter old hags still get drunk and fuck and they

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Speaker 1: have fun. And it seems like Meryl Streep genuinely enjoys

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Speaker 1: being marooned on Funck Island and she likes it. She

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Speaker 1: loves it okay a lot think where she is clearly

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Speaker 1: good at her job, but she also seems to care

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Speaker 1: very little that her hotel is fucking busted. She smells

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Speaker 1: like she got money from somewhere that's not the hotel

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Speaker 1: for sure. That moment where like the foundation her hoteltel

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: cracks in half. She's like, whoof wild? And they just

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Speaker 1: keep singing. She literally cheers al right because it's the

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Speaker 1: spring of aphrodite, and also like you know, engineer to

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Speaker 1: rein in your old fucking house, like your foundations cracked

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: are so fucked. It's like that is I think the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the end for this. It's like a multimillion

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Speaker 1: dollar mistakes. And she's like, well, it's Greece, and so

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Speaker 1: let's say the name of I'm gonna give all three

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Speaker 1: nipples to um Pierce Brasna because I just feel really

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01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: bad for him. He really did give it his all

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: in this movie, and it was a miss. It was

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 1: not it was and it's obviously not good, and I

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01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: feel really bad about that. He tries something new, something

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: I do. It is very fun to watch an actor

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: really swing for the fences and miss see Ashton Kutcher

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: in jobs like you can tell you this is the

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: role of a lifetime and it's like you are you

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Speaker 1: damn well, Bola, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love talking about mom with She would

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: have been doing this anyways in the streets. I'll just

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Speaker 1: text Jamie where could people follow you online? Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything he'd like to plug? Yeah, you can follow

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Speaker 1: me at meal or a meal momster and anything. And um,

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Speaker 1: I have a podcast called Punch of the Jam's great. Yeah.

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01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: We every week pick up part different song and then

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Speaker 1: remake it with a friend of the cast. De yeah,

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Speaker 1: Demmie and I and um, it's good. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, it's fucking good. Damn it. It's a good. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I my mom gave me when she figured out what

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Speaker 1: a podcast was last week. She's like, you can sign

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Speaker 1: me up for five, and she was like, I can't

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Speaker 1: handle more than five, So I gave her. I gave

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Speaker 1: her a few, but I gave her a punch up

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Speaker 1: the jam and she is loving it. I love my

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Speaker 1: new fans to be first, she's only listened to the

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: episode that I'm on, but she's she's like, favorite episodes.

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Speaker 1: It was so fine that she was like, they're fun.

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Speaker 1: I like them. And then she Google imaged you both.

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: Thank you because my voice sounds so annoying. She's like,

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01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: what does she look like? She's like, I just wanted

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: to picture what the room was like. I love her

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Speaker 1: shout out Joey Well. You can follow the Bechtel Cast

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Speaker 1: on social media at bectel Cast, and you can sign

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Speaker 1: up for our Matreon. It's five dollars a month and

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Speaker 1: you get to bonus episodes like, for instance, Doubt Yes,

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Speaker 1: Oh Doubt August It's it's my birthday month and we're

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Speaker 1: doing Doubt and Hackers Leo, Seasoned Baby. And you can

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Speaker 1: go to our website bechtel cast dot com. If you

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Speaker 1: go to the store there, you can buy all of

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Speaker 1: our merch We've got t shirts, we've got mugs, we've

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Speaker 1: got notebookson, feminist icon cartoons of us. Oh, feminist icon

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Speaker 1: Alfred Molina, which reminds me Alfred Molina could have played

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: any of the Dad's better than any of the Dad

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Speaker 1: Give Me a Deep Roy and Charlie and the Chocolate

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Speaker 1: Factory Umpa loompa Style three Alfred Alfred Molina's Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I just had a panic attack. Anyways, Uh that's the show.

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Speaker 1: Why were there any cats in this movie? Yeah? What's

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01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: with the black cat? I know? But anyway, well, thanks

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: for listening, everybody. Here we go again, Fernando. We're all

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Speaker 1: dancing queens and we're other stuff. Okay, bye,